Why Every Election is Existential

00:00:03 Speaker 1: My name is Charlie Kirk. I run the largest pro-American student organization in the country fighting for the future of our republic. My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth. If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're going to end up miserable. But if the most important thing is doing good, you will end up purposeful. College is a scam, everybody. 00:00:26 Speaker 2: You got to stop sending your kids to college. 00:00:27 Speaker 1: You should get married as young as possible and have as many kids as possible. Go start a Turning Point USA college chapter. 00:00:33 Speaker 3: Go start a Turning Point USA high school chapter. 00:00:35 Speaker 1: Go find out how your church can get involved. Sign up and become an activist. I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade. Most important decision I ever made in my life, and I encourage you to do the same. Here I am. 00:00:46 Speaker 4: Lord, use me. Buckle up, everybody. 00:00:49 Speaker 3: Here we go. 00:00:56 Speaker 1: Noble Gold Investments is the official gold sponsor of The Charlie Kirk Show. a company that specializes in gold IRAs and physical delivery of precious metals. Learn how you could protect your wealth with Noble Gold Investments at noblegoldinvestments.com. That is noblegoldinvestments.com. 00:01:17 Speaker 4: Welcome, everybody. It's October 29th, 2026. We are just five days out from the midterm. And I hate to tell you this, but every election... is an existential election. And that is not because necessarily you've done anything wrong, but it's because the left is becoming increasingly deranged, psychotic, third world, and dangerous. Reject the violent left. Now, we can talk about our wins. We've spent a lot of time on this show talking about our wins. We've even gone through lists of how many wins President Trump has made good on. how many promises that he has delivered for the American people on. And that's important. It's important to define the positives, define all the good that has been done. But sometimes it's necessary to focus on how evil and vile many, unfortunately too many, on the left have become. And I have story after story that we are going to go through this morning, Blake. on college campuses that are happening as we speak, because I have a theory that the left is getting emboldened. They are seeing the polling. They are seeing that, I guess you could say they smell blood in the water. And maybe that's too morose and macabre, but oh well. It is true. And I think what you're seeing is the demons of the left are coming out in force. Blake, feel free to chime in here, but we're going to play the clips because it's important to see this. 00:02:51 Speaker 5: Look, we've all had our encounters. 00:02:53 Speaker 6: There's a lot of people who think, I'm not super enthused about some specific thing in Trump. 00:02:59 Speaker 5: They wanted more on Epstein. They didn't want the war with Iran. 00:03:01 Speaker 6: They're not as fired up as we are about the border or rolling back DEI or reindustrialization. All the wins that we've talked about. Some people are not going to be sold on those. But what maybe they should be reminded of, what they could maybe be sold on is, look, There are a lot of nasty people out there, and you may not see them every day. You may not talk to them. It may be easy to ignore that they exist. But there are a lot of people out there who, if you confront them, they're pretty happy to say, we want you dead. We are going to gloat about how we would love to kill you and get away with it. And if God willing, we'll be able to do that someday. And that's what they'll do. 00:03:39 Speaker 4: And all you have to do is look at Brazil and what they're doing to Flavio Bolsonaro. and the political opponents jailing them, removing their passports, to understand that when they get in political power, you are about to see, we are on the threshold of about to see very radical, dangerous, destructive, and yes, violent political actions from the left. And we've seen it already. This show knows it intimately well. And you may not see it in your own life, but we do. This is Alex Stein. He was doing a Pick Up the Mic event yesterday at the University of Oregon. And this is what he encountered. Stop for. 00:04:21 Speaker 2: We're not going to get any Hitler. 00:04:22 Speaker 6: Did you hear you? 00:04:24 Speaker 7: Stop. 00:04:24 Speaker 2: I hate you. Alex Stein is a clown. 00:04:27 Speaker 8: Come to your drinks if he's a clown. You're a fascist. 00:04:34 Speaker 2: No. 00:04:35 Speaker 3: That is how. 00:04:38 Speaker 2: The Nazis are. You! 00:04:41 Speaker 8: You're not going to get your Hitler youth thrown in. 00:04:46 Speaker 2: Erica, that's a whore. We hate you. Everyone, you do. 00:04:54 Speaker 4: Hate the Nazi whore. 00:04:58 Speaker 9: We all hate you. 00:05:01 Speaker 2: The Hitler youth are not allowed here. 00:05:04 Speaker 3: Get the f * * * out of Oregon! 00:05:06 Speaker 8: You're not going to propagandize children, you. 00:05:11 Speaker 3: F * * * ing Nazi! 00:05:13 Speaker 4: Apparently that gentleman has been identified on social media. I'm not sure if it's doxing or not, but you can find his name. He posts his own social media clips talking about vile things, destructive things, gross things. You can throw his picture up, 146. And this is a grown man that should know better. And that's what he looks like. Look at the hate spewing forth out of his mouth and his eyes. Just pure venom and vitriol. Consumed. But it doesn't stop there, unfortunately. This is another interesting... a moment that had just happened on campus at the UT San Antonio Pick Up the Mic event. It was featuring Christian Collins, and she decided to read a poem about Charlie's death. And again, I apologize for exposing the audience to this, but it's important that you see it. Sot 7. 00:06:21 Speaker 10: I took a Plan B, and I'm an immigrant this morning, feeling kind of guilty, so I wanted to read a poem that I actually wrote. It was the night before the Kirkiversary, and all through the house. Not a creature was stirring. Not even a mouse. The flags were hung proudly. The memes all on deck. As we solemnly remembered, a shot to the neck. The podcast fell silent. The hot takes grew wary. For tomorrow, dear friends, is the great Kirkiversary. So I'll see everyone at the Squirt for Kirk. We're hosting that also on October 10th. I'll see y'all there. To BYOE. You know, vaccines included. 00:06:57 Speaker 5: That's all. 00:06:59 Speaker 4: Are you happy with yourself now? I mean, I think that was just. 00:07:03 Speaker 5: Baby, I'm thrilled. 00:07:04 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I mean. 00:07:05 Speaker 10: You're brave for being out here, you know, no protection, no nothing, no, like, neck. 00:07:09 Speaker 5: Brace, or... I'll pray for you. 00:07:13 Speaker 4: No neck brace. You see that? They love to do this. This is their new thing. Watch your neck. We have yet, unfortunately, another story that proves this. Out of the University of Maryland. Allow me to introduce to you Xavier Perry. Show the image. Xavier Perry is a DSA student at the University of Maryland. And on September 10th, on the one-year anniversary of Charlie's murder, he approached a TPUSA tabling event and proceeded to pour ketchup down his neck and began to convulse, reenacting Charlie's assassination. He then posted this video in this image that you proudly on social media that you can see there. It was captured by Campus Reform. Shout out to them for covering it. And it said, yo, you best protect your neck. Because apparently he's also a thug. Now, the dean of the University of Maryland, dean of students and director of student conduct, James E. Bond, dismissed complaints against Perry and saying it wasn't criminal, wasn't a criminal act. I don't care if it wasn't a criminal act. It was contemptible and vile and evil at the very least. That student should be expelled. It's not even a close call. And now our students at the University of Maryland unfortunately have to require police presence at any tabling event that they do or any chapter meeting that they do Because the university refuses to hold those accountable that would threaten them. 00:08:53 Speaker 6: And the same people who make those threats will then, their allies in the admin will say, this is why we can't allow turning point events. I mean, they need so much security. They must cause so much trouble because the left are the ones who do this. There's a great take. There's a journalist, Mike Solana. He runs Pirate Wires. And he pointed out in response to that student at UT San Antonio, this is not a small group of people on the left. It is a large faction. It is a dominant faction. 00:09:17 Speaker 4: The Democrats. 00:09:18 Speaker 6: cannot win elections without these people. They must pander to them. They must cater to them. If they don't publicly agree with them, many silently agree with them. There is no debating them because these people just want to brag, ha ha, we can kill you. That is what their message is. Not, we'll help you on the issues, we'll make your life better. It's, we will kill you. 00:09:39 Speaker 4: I want to show you a couple graphs that should Genuinely, and I don't say this lightly, but put the fear of God right into your heart. Throw up 143. 00:09:50 Speaker 7: Okay. 00:10:00 Speaker 4: And more liberal Americans are more likely to disagree. You see that? Very liberal. That top graph in the bottom portion there, the top bar. Political ideology, very liberal. Yes, violence is sometimes justified or not sure sometimes. accounts for 39% of very liberal. Liberal, it accounts for 29%. I guess you could look at this and say, I'm glad that a majority still don't think violence is justified, but as Charlie's murder taught us, all it takes is one. All it takes is one lunatic, one deranged psychopathic lunatic to get into a group chat or on Discord or or in blue sky, and to be radicalized and become convinced that violence is justified, that taking a sniper rifle to your political opponent is completely okay for the greater good. And then you have the media apparatus. You have Jimmy Kimmel. You have CNN, MSNOW. You have guys like we had on yesterday, Tim Miller, who dehumanize ICE agents, and they go after them too, calling them thugs and Nazi, Gestapo, That is a terrifying number. And notice that the more conservative you get, the less likely you are to think that political violence is okay. One side has abandoned God, and the other side worships him. One side has dehumanized their political opponents. The other side disagrees with theirs. That's a terrifying graph. Let me show you something that Charlie himself posted on social media. This is 140. Again, Charlie knew this graph. Justification for murder of Elon Musk and Donald Trump. Left of center, nearly 50% of respondents said it was justified to kill Elon Musk. 55% said it was justifiable to kill President Trump. Left of center. We know where the political violence problem is in America. Now, we could say, yeah, and there's Charlie's tweet. I don't have it up just right now, but let me pull it up. 00:12:34 Speaker 5: Want me to read it? I can read it on the screen. 00:12:35 Speaker 6: Assassination culture is spreading on the left. 48% of liberals say that it would be at least somewhat justified to murder Elon Musk. 55% said the same about Donald Trump. In California, activists are naming ballot measures after Luigi Mangione. The left is being whipped into a violent frenzy. Any setback, losing an election or losing a court case, justifies maximally violent response. This is the natural outgrowth of left-wing protest culture, tolerating violence and mayhem for years on end. The cowardice of local prosecutors and school officials has turned the left into a ticking time bomb. 00:13:10 Speaker 5: And I can expand on that. 00:13:12 Speaker 6: First of it, yes, a lot of that is the immense emotional immaturity that you see. Every setback is fascism. And especially these days, their coalition includes a lot of really mentally immature, imbalanced people. So that's why we see those trans shooters. They're told every day, if they don't affirm your fetish, your weird sexual perversion that you maybe got from watching too much pornography online or whatever, they're trying to genocide you. They are trying to do the Holocaust on you. And because those people are also, as it turns out, often on the autistic spectrum, they take things very literally. They tend to follow everything to its, like, maximally extreme conclusion. And so they go, oh, they're saying they're trying to murder me? 00:13:56 Speaker 1: Oh. 00:13:58 Speaker 2: Oh, no. 00:13:58 Speaker 4: Well, then everything's justified. 00:14:00 Speaker 6: Yes, everything is justified. Then they're thinking, oh, I will pick up a gun. You're supposed to use force to stop the Holocaust, right? They'll say that. There's so many other things. Even that number that, oh, 25% are okay with violence. You might think, oh, 75% aren't. That's not panic button yet. 00:14:15 Speaker 5: But it really is. 00:14:16 Speaker 6: Because when you have that proportion, it makes it that much more likely that their political faction is going to have to worry about those people. They might have to cater to them because they don't want to alienate them. There's a story that came out of Germany that's related to this, actually. A woman on a far-left party, text messages came out that she wanted to run for mayor, but she decided not to because she feared radical Islamists in their coalition would be mad because I think she wasn't a Muslim and they want to get a Muslim mayor of Berlin. So she's now just living in fear of the Islamists in her own party. That can happen in America, too. They're worried about the people who are going to be reading that Kirkiversary stuff. 00:14:55 Speaker 4: That's the key. So this has political ramifications. Ultimately, and I go back to what you see in Brazil, Lula is a far leftist. He's a communist. And maybe that feels distant. Maybe that feels like it can't come here. No, it's coming here. It's already here. And the truth is, the left has lost touch with God. Every far-left movement in the history of humanity ultimately becomes a godless, authoritarian hellscape. And why is that? Because their ultimate god is the nirvana, the utopia that they promised their people. As a Christian, we know that that will never happen here on earth. We never expect perfection here on earth. 00:15:46 Speaker 5: What we ask. 00:15:47 Speaker 4: For and demand... is that our God-given liberties would be intact and not be subject to the whims of Congress or a king or a tyrant. We demand liberty to live our lives, freedom to choose as we would choose, to worship our God. The left demands subjugation and pure fidelity to the ruling authority because they're the ones, according to their religion, to their cult, that can deliver nirvana, that can deliver this utopian false promise. And since it never will come true, they ultimately revert back to more and more authoritarianism, more and more coercion, seizure of property, because ultimately you, the free man, the free critical thinker, the child of God, is the only thing standing in their way. So everything becomes justifiable to them. everything becomes means to their perfect end that will never materialize because humans are fallen and sinful. So they can justify every type of evil, every type of violence. They can feel smug and virtuous as they mock a dead man who died innocently, exercising his God-given rights of free speech and debate on a college campus. And they will jeer at you and they will mock you and ridicule you and spit at you and scream at you and call you names, feeling virtuous as they do it, feeling pure as they do it, feeling faithful to their ideology. And it's demonic. And if you don't vote on November 3rd, you are giving power over to demonic forces. It's as simple as that. The veil's torn on both directions, and the mask is off for them. We must stop them. It is that serious. So vote. And get your friends to vote, too. The Medicare annual enrollment period is here. Most Medicare plans change every year, and many go away entirely. 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We got an email that said, why should I early vote? And I just reminded them what you said. A banked vote is worth more than a potential vote. It's a vote we're not spending resources on. 00:19:50 Speaker 5: Trying to reach. 00:19:51 Speaker 6: It's a vote we already can count on, and that means we can plan around it. All of those reasons, vote early. You can do it in person in most states right now still. You can drop off your ballot if you got it in the mail. Yeah, in Arizona, for example, you got to drop it off in person. You can't mail it in anymore. 00:20:06 Speaker 4: It's too late. Vote early. I'm always tempted to say vote early, vote often. But that's what the left does. We don't do that. But it does kind of roll off the tongue. 00:20:14 Speaker 5: Vote early and vote every time. 00:20:15 Speaker 4: Yeah, vote. There you go. We are joined in studio by the one and only Andrew Klavan. Welcome. 00:20:21 Speaker 9: Let's hope I'm the one and only. 00:20:22 Speaker 3: You are. 00:20:23 Speaker 4: As far as I know, there's not another, like, Andrew Klavan on some ballot, like the decoy Dan story out of– Out of Alaska? 00:20:30 Speaker 9: No, they're still looking. 00:20:31 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, by the way, we're going to talk about that with Mark Halperin in the next hour. It's become criminal, which– it's a criminal investigation at least. It's unclear if it's criminal, but it's certainly not a positive reflection on our current political moment. It's a dirty trick. 00:20:45 Speaker 9: It's an absolutely dirty trick. I mean you can't get much dirtier than that, and it's so– It's so low and petty and tells you everything. They don't really stand for anything. I haven't heard one left-wing speech where they say, this is what we stand for except giving you money. 00:21:00 Speaker 4: Their whole defense of it is actually, it's like, well, anyway. It's not that it's illegal or that we shouldn't have done it, it's that we do it all the time. That's their best defense, literally, on MSNOW. That was their whole line. 00:21:11 Speaker 9: That was Nixon's defense, and Watergate, everybody does it. 00:21:14 Speaker 4: Nobody does this. This is the first time I can think of, maybe it's happened before in politics, where they actually do ballot stacking with somebody with the same name. 00:21:25 Speaker 5: It's got to have happened at some point. 00:21:27 Speaker 4: Like in the Roman Empire. 00:21:28 Speaker 6: The funniest one is there's definitely been cases where candidates genuine opposed candidates had the same name yeah that is really funny when that happens i think they had to just put a one after the name of one of them and they straight up had genuine and they straight up had like the you know the campaign signs that said like vote williams one not williams two vote williams. 00:21:47 Speaker 4: One think about the state of politics that it's we have low information voters that can't do the due diligence to go like which one has the r next to it you know like yeah it does that's the incumbent we're that worried about the way that people getting confused i mean. 00:22:03 Speaker 6: I wonder how elections work in korea where 25 percent of people are named kim well that's. 00:22:09 Speaker 4: A good point they do they're much more rigorous they probably they probably got used to it by now yeah you. 00:22:14 Speaker 9: Talk about these low you know information voters though we've got candidates who literally like have declared that they hate the country, they want to destroy the country, and then while they're running they say, well, I said that, but I don't really mean it. 00:22:26 Speaker 4: And literally some voters are like, well, gas prices are high. 00:22:30 Speaker 6: I said that when there was no backlash to what I said. And now that there's consequences, I'm going to decide. 00:22:36 Speaker 9: To walk it back. I'll say something different. And the voters are going like, okay. 00:22:40 Speaker 4: Well, I mean, it's wild, too, when you've got like an Abdul El-Sayed, right, who apparently his dad worked at a charity. charity that got raided by the FBI and the Department of Defense at the time and they were funneling money to Iraq and it's like okay so you got that then his we know his mom had long term ties to the Muslim Brotherhood we know his sister is admitted to those ties that her family is tied. 00:23:11 Speaker 9: To the Muslim Brotherhood. 00:23:14 Speaker 4: He speaks at an Islamic center in Detroit that basically radicalizes jihadis He says hurt people hurt people when talking about terror and Islamic terror. He didn't want to condemn the Ayatollah because it might offend some of his people. He campaigns with Hassan Piker, who said America deserves 9-11. When you ask him to condemn the Muslim Brotherhood, He doesn't say yes or no. He goes, let me ask you a question. You just ask me that because I'm Muslim? Yeah. He can't give you a one-word answer. This guy hates us. As a matter of fact, he goes to certain communities in Michigan saying, I hate it here. I hate coming here. 00:24:02 Speaker 2: And yet. 00:24:03 Speaker 4: He's the odds favorite to win the Senate race. 00:24:05 Speaker 9: So they say. So they say. Well, this is the other reason to vote early, because there's been a massive sigh up, I think, to make us despair. You know, I don't trust the polls. I'm not saying that every poll is targeted against us. But I think they're all slanted in a certain way. And I think the news media, if you go on Newsbusters where they keep track of what the news media is doing, they'll tell you that the reports of positive stories about the right are almost nonexistent. The reports of negative stories about the left are almost nonexistent. They're virtually campaigning. The news media is virtually campaigning. 00:24:36 Speaker 4: Oh, it's a super PAC. It's a super PAC for the Democrats. You know, it's crazy, though. It's like El-Sayed isn't even the first instance of this sort of like he hates people thing. and yet he might get elected. Jay Jones in Virginia, right? You know, throw up 141. We had this. You know, if those guys die before me, I will go to their funerals and pee on their graves. Send them out awash in something. And the person goes, Jay Jones, three people, two bullets, Gilbert, Hitler, and Pol Pot. Gilbert gets two bullets to the head. Spoiler, put Gilbert in the crew with the two worst people you know, and he receives both bullets every time. It's like, This guy's now. 00:25:17 Speaker 5: AG of Virginia? 00:25:17 Speaker 4: The Attorney General of Virginia. 00:25:19 Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah. And it just doesn't... You know, the polls you were showing before, before I came on, saying how many people support violence or at least support it in theory, really tell you something. First of all, about the way ideologies work, the way they replace real values with fake values so that suddenly evil becomes good and vice versa. 00:25:37 Speaker 6: And it washes out all conventional good. Under politics, it matters a lot more The left is going to be a lot more outraged if you said something a decade ago that they decide is racist than if you're a serial liar, if you're a serial adulterer, if you're known for being manipulative. 00:25:56 Speaker 5: And cruel and awful. 00:25:57 Speaker 4: And in fact, they cultivate all of those. Or if you gloat over Charlie's murder. 00:26:00 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:26:00 Speaker 6: So it's so visible with that girl at UT San Antonio that– What she's saying is gross, but what's repulsive about it is not the literal words. It's that this is clearly a hateful, nasty person. That even if she weren't saying this to our face, you can tell she is an awful person because of how she behaves. 00:26:18 Speaker 4: Apparently she's a Brazilian immigrant. 00:26:20 Speaker 5: Well, send her back. 00:26:21 Speaker 4: Send her back. I'm in full favor of her getting deported. I'm not going to dox her, but I am very okay if she gets deported. 00:26:28 Speaker 3: I would. 00:26:28 Speaker 5: I just don't know her name. 00:26:29 Speaker 9: Otherwise, I wouldn't. 00:26:30 Speaker 4: It's on the internet, but don't say it. 00:26:31 Speaker 9: They always have that smile, that same self-satisfied smile. 00:26:34 Speaker 5: It's a psychopathic smile. 00:26:36 Speaker 9: It is. 00:26:37 Speaker 5: You look like a horror movie. 00:26:38 Speaker 9: These are people without any problems. These are people living in America without any... She's Gidget. She's like this kid. She doesn't have any kind of tragic problems that require death, that require murdering other people or laughing at the murder of other people. She's fine. 00:26:52 Speaker 2: Everything's good. 00:26:53 Speaker 6: A sign of that is that their personality is also fake. On top of everything else she does, it's like they're acting at all times. 00:27:00 Speaker 2: It's put on. 00:27:00 Speaker 4: It's cosplay. It's formative. 00:27:01 Speaker 6: It's like they're imitating a character they saw on television, which people have always done. They've imitated poetry characters, novel characters. But I think our novels used to be a little bit better or at least more morally self-affirming. 00:27:13 Speaker 5: Now they're just acting. 00:27:14 Speaker 6: Like people giving villain speeches in bad TV shows. 00:27:17 Speaker 4: Segway, you brought up novels and characters. 00:27:19 Speaker 7: Yes. 00:27:19 Speaker 4: You've got a new book out. 00:27:21 Speaker 9: I do. I do. Find Me Nowhere. It is another thriller in my Cameron Winter series, which has been a best-selling series. I just want to say. 00:27:28 Speaker 4: Congrats on that. 00:27:29 Speaker 9: Thank you. We've got the graphic here. 00:27:31 Speaker 4: It's a beautiful cover, by the way. 00:27:34 Speaker 9: I think so, too. They did a great job. They caught the romance of the story. It's an action story, but it's got a lot of romance in it. I was at Poison Pen, which is one of the two greatest crime bookstores in the country. It's right here in Phoenix, in Scottsdale. If you've never been to it, it's a really great bookstore. And the place was packed, and it was incredibly touching. They ran out of books, but they won't do that in Dallas. I'll be in Dallas on Friday at the Interrobang Bookstore. And it's been incredibly moving to have people show up and talk about what it means to have some art that isn't destructive, that isn't putting forward this leftist vision that we get over and over in every movie, every TV show, every late night comic has the same opinion. And if you don't have that opinion, they will hound you to death somehow. basically because I have a publisher who has supported me even when my books weren't selling. 00:28:25 Speaker 4: Who's your publisher? We should give him a shout. 00:28:26 Speaker 9: Yes, Mysterious Press, and it is run by Otto Penzler, who is the great mystery and crime editor of the last generation. 00:28:34 Speaker 4: Wait, his name is Otto Penzler? 00:28:36 Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah. 00:28:38 Speaker 5: Otto Penzler? 00:28:38 Speaker 9: I've teased him about that, too. 00:28:40 Speaker 4: He's got a portrait at the White House. 00:28:42 Speaker 9: But he is a hard, hard-boiled guy who just will take the flack that we have taken together. And the thing about this is, the thing about these books, you know, These are books about a man who was a bad man. He was an assassin who was trying to become a good man. And the reason I'm writing these is because if you watch TV, if you watch the great shows that came out in the 2000s, Breaking Bad, The Sopranos, The Shield, The Wire, it was all about real men, but they were all bad guys. They were all corrupt. And I had been writing about that in the 90s, and so I wondered why this was the case, why they were all that kind of guy. And I thought, well, when you outlaw masculinity, only outlaws can be masculine. So what would it take to create a character who's a real man, but a good man. And the reason they can't do it in Hollywood, there's a simple reason, is they can't write real women. There's nothing that will get you shot down faster than writing women as women actually are. And so that's what I do. And I've had problems. I've had editors try to take them out. you know can't this woman you know punch somebody in the face not without breaking her hand and getting her you know kicked to death no she can't you know and so she actually needs men to protect them and support them and they just don't want to write. 00:29:50 Speaker 4: That so chauvinist I am a total sexist. 00:29:53 Speaker 6: Everyone's brain is cooked by the Avengers. Everyone's got to be that Black Widow, Scarlett Johansson. 00:29:57 Speaker 4: Or Scarlett Johansson. Yeah, Scarlett Johansson. 00:29:59 Speaker 2: Is that Black Widow? 00:29:59 Speaker 4: I don't watch them. 00:30:01 Speaker 5: I think so. 00:30:01 Speaker 4: I might get it wrong. I think Russ watches them for me, so I can just ask him about it. So, yeah, I mean, the idea that women need protection is actually, it should be a beautiful thing. 00:30:11 Speaker 9: It is a beautiful thing. 00:30:13 Speaker 4: And yet we've turned it into something that's, you know, like so much of our culture, it's like completely upside down. But I think that's why what you're doing is actually really important because you're ensuring that there's a remnant at the very least. 00:30:27 Speaker 9: Well, absolutely, and I really do believe– women are reading these books that are filled with kind of violent sex against women. They're getting turned on by sadistic sex, and I want them to be turned on by dominant love. 00:30:41 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:30:42 Speaker 4: Get turned on by dominant love. That's a good, that's a one-liner for you. Andrew Klayman, everybody. I don't want to get you and Dennis Prager in a room. This could be dangerous. You know, you have been in this space a long time. We were just talking in the break about how when you started at Daily Wire, every word you uttered would be cancelable. 00:31:06 Speaker 2: Now. 00:31:07 Speaker 4: You could say that in much, much more spicy things. 00:31:10 Speaker 9: Yeah, we totally shifted. 00:31:12 Speaker 4: And so the Overton window has completely expanded, and I think in a positive direction. But we are also living in a time where you have a lot of bad actors, charlatans, frauds, grifters, con artists, that have infiltrated the ranks. And there's a lot of division. Based on your perspectives, having been one of the pioneers in sort of the right-wing new media space. Where are we at now? 00:31:43 Speaker 9: A really good question. You know, Clavin's Law. Here's Clavin's Law. Three-part law. Every reform movement in America gets taken over by the left. And when it gets taken over by the left, its original intentions become the opposite of what they were. So they put you in a position where you attack them, and they think you're attacking the original intention, when really you're attacking leftism. So just for instance, you start out with Martin Luther King saying, don't judge a man by the color of his skin. Judge him by the content of his character. I'm in. That's good Christian theology, good Americanism. I'm there. They take it over. It's like, don't hire white people. Only hire black people. You go, wait, no, I'm against that. And they say, well, you're against Martin Luther King. No, no, no, wait. 00:32:22 Speaker 6: And the way every left-wing cause ends up going, anything vaguely progressive ends up in the omnic cause. So it's like the Sierra Club used to be critical of immigration because they said it would stress America's ecosystem. And now, after 2020, the Sierra Club is just all in on open borders. And it turns out the only thing that matters is, do we have enough LGBT people outside? And it's like, the number one things are fighting racism and white supremacy. You're not an environmental group anymore. 00:32:46 Speaker 9: Well, exactly. And feminism is the perfect example. It starts out, women should have human rights. You go, absolutely. That's all American. It ends up, the family is awful. If you want to take care of your children, you're nothing. You stink. And men are terrible. And you can go and get have sex with 15 people willingly and then call it a rape. And it's, you know, it's just all nonsense. So the right has to understand who they are and what they're about and what the target is so that we don't go past the target. You know, you don't want to overshoot the target. And for me, the target is always liberty. It's always being able to say and pray and think what you want without somebody thinking that I got elected, I can tell you to shut up. People have forgotten. You know, listen, I've been alive since the Jurassic period And the Biden administration was the largest assault on the First Amendment rights of Americans I have ever experienced. It was what they always say the McCarthy era was. They shut down churches. They arrested people. They tackled people for walking outside. They threw people off social media for speaking the truth. They told you the Daily Wire was almost destroyed. I mean, we really had to fight back to not be thrown off Facebook and all the social media platforms. With the collusion of the government, which the Supreme Court has already said is against the Constitution, they colluded with the government and social media to say you can't say these things. We fought back. We won the reelection. This is what my show is going to be about this week. I want to remind people what it meant when Trump got reelected, the uphill climb that was. We couldn't have done it if Trump were not the indestructible human being that he is. But still, he couldn't have done it either without this rebel media backing him up and exposing what the left was doing. 00:34:28 Speaker 4: Well, but now the rebel media is rebelling against itself and rebelling against President Trump in some way. 00:34:33 Speaker 9: And that is a luxury we have because we won. And it's something we should really rise above. 00:34:39 Speaker 4: Well, it's, you know, what you just said is powerful. The fact that rebel media, and we'll just call it that, it's as good a term as any, rebel right-wing media, that fought to exist in the first place, that now they have the luxury... to chip at each other and to complain and kvetch about gas prices or the Iran war, which, to be fair, we've kvetched about a little bit here too. But the fact that they have that ability is a luxury that was so hard fought. And it reminds me of one of, I think, one of the most powerful biblical stories where Esau sells his birthright for a bowl of porridge. And it's like, what are we giving up And what are we getting in return when we shoot inside the tent? When we fray at the edges where, you know, you've got Marjorie Taylor Greene, you've got Tucker Carlson, you've got, who else do we got? You've got, I guess, Joe Kent, you've got Thomas Massey. These people, James Fishbeck, they're trying to coalesce around sort of like a fringe offshoot, which if you know the way American politics worked, That will end in pure destruction. You are handing the power over to the left. There's no other opportunity. If you're successful in getting in the ballot or creating enough disillusionment on the right, that's the only place that ends. 00:36:04 Speaker 6: It's such a suicidal thing because the reason politics just endlessly feels higher stakes is that we have seen the left has increasingly gone in the direction of being a, like, blow up America now button. That they will openly say, like, we need to destroy the Constitution, destroy the Supreme Court, destroy the presidency. 00:36:21 Speaker 8: Yeah. 00:36:22 Speaker 6: Destroy America's borders, absolutely flood America with foreigners, race communism, actual communism. They want to do all of these things. It's very obvious they want to do that. They loudly shout that they do it, and then you have a faction of people supposedly conservatives supposedly on the right who say, yes, what we need to do is help these people win an election. 00:36:41 Speaker 5: That's totally going to work out great for us. 00:36:43 Speaker 9: And as you said before, it's like gas prices are high, so I'm going to vote. 00:36:46 Speaker 6: All I'm going to say is Hassan Piker will criticize people on the left. He's never, ever going to do a clip where he says, vote straight ticket Republican, because that'll get what we want. 00:36:53 Speaker 4: No, he's trying to reform inside the party movement, the party structure. He's trying to get DSA people, right? Which is kind of what we did with MAGA. MAGA was like, hey, we want politicians that are as conservative, As their voters. 00:37:06 Speaker 6: The place to express your grievances within the conservative movement is in primaries, it's in party conventions, it's in debates online or with your friends over what direction the party should take on issues. We're having a lot of debates at AmFest. Show up at AmFest and participate in those debates. 00:37:23 Speaker 4: Some of those are going to be spicy. 00:37:24 Speaker 6: But in an actual election against the left as it currently is constituted, your duty as an American is to not vote for them. Your duty is to vote for the alternative because... Otherwise, you are voting in favor of people who want to press the blow up America now button. 00:37:39 Speaker 5: That's not acceptable. 00:37:40 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:37:40 Speaker 9: And when you talk about the MAGA movement taking over the Republican Party, which it did, remember what the MAGA movement represents. It's a centrist idea. I mean, I know that Trump is an outlaw. 00:37:49 Speaker 5: The 90s Democrat. 00:37:50 Speaker 2: Yes, it is. 00:37:51 Speaker 9: I mean, I always say when I listen to like a John F. Kennedy speech, that's pretty much everything I believe. You know, stop the communists. cut taxes, you know, be strong, defend America. 00:38:00 Speaker 4: Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country. 00:38:04 Speaker 9: What politician would say that today? Even Trump won't say that. 00:38:07 Speaker 4: Well, I mean, it's crazy. Yeah, I mean, there are some bad ideas that are even getting into the right. I get that. But right now, those ideas pale in comparison in their severity and their potential for destruction and, you know, malaise, violence, compared to what the left is off. 00:38:26 Speaker 2: Absolutely. 00:38:27 Speaker 9: And openly offering openly talking about. And when I hear people weeping over, you know, Hamas and Iran and all this stuff, I get it. I wanted that war over when it started. I said, as long as he ends it in time for the midterms, I'll be fine with it. And he didn't. And he's he's taking his chance. But if he wins that war, if he destroys that regime, he'll be one of the greatest presidents ever. 00:38:47 Speaker 4: I agree. 00:38:47 Speaker 9: I agree. 00:38:48 Speaker 4: I think he's been phenomenal in so many ways and we forget it. Andrew Klavan's book, Find Me Nowhere. 00:38:54 Speaker 5: Find it on Amazon. 00:38:56 Speaker 4: But you can find it in a lot of places, actually. But the title is Find Me Nowhere. God bless you, man. 00:39:01 Speaker 9: Great to see you. 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It was a good interview. Very, very solid. 00:40:43 Speaker 3: Thank you, sir. 00:40:43 Speaker 4: Everything that we expect from you. So we want to talk, Mark, about, yes, the midterms, but specifically you had a take on this Alaska decoy Dan case, which now the DOJ is aggressively pursuing its investigation, potential criminal investigation on depriving voters of their rights. It looks like what it is. But the big bombshell yesterday was from The New York Times, which was, I think, added to the effect that the story had, certainly, because you don't necessarily expect the New York Times to come out with this, but a scoop from Kellen Browning, who's a good reporter over there, I've worked with him in the past, was the one who broke it. And basically, it connected Mary Peltola's campaign directly with the recruitment of this other Dan Sullivan, the decoy Dan. And you believe this could have pretty powerful ramifications in that race. The prediction markets only moved about 5%, but you were more forceful in your read of the events. What do you think is going to happen, and how is this going to play? 00:41:49 Speaker 7: Well, I think I tweeted that almost 24 hours ago, and after monitoring the Alaska media and the national media, I'm less confident it will have an impact on the race because it's not being framed the way I'm framing it. There are dirty tricks in politics. People do this all the time. They support somebody on the ballot, not because they really support them, but because they're trying to hurt the other side. I find her and her campaign lying about it, not just before the New York Times story and not just in the New York Times story, but even today, even yesterday, they're still lying about their role. When the New York Times reporter, it's not she said, she said. They've got the receipts. They have the text chains. So I thought that people would frame it that way. And they'd say, come on, Congresswoman Mary Patel, you're not telling the truth. Like, come clean on what you did. Explain your lies and explain why you did this. It appears now that she's taking a page out of the Republican handbook. She's saying, oh, you can't trust the New York Times. They're just doing this for clicks and subscriptions. So I think that the impact on the race will probably be minimal. And I think at a minimum, though, for Dan Sullivan, the real one, I think people in Alaska will be more aware now about who the real one is and the fact that there are two. But I don't think at this hour it's going to revolutionize the race the way I thought it might yesterday. 00:43:17 Speaker 6: I mean, that's unfortunate because– but it gets at part of the article where– One of the things they got is text chains, emails where they're joking after a focus group, like, oh, I bet these idiots will fall for our little game that we're coming up with. 00:43:33 Speaker 5: And it seems like that's their. 00:43:34 Speaker 6: Strategy now, that if they lie through their teeth, these dumb cattle that we thought would fall for fake Dan Sullivan will also fall for what we're saying now. 00:43:42 Speaker 4: Yeah, the cynicism. The cynicism of the campaign feeling like they can just dupe dumb people. And the... Cynicism of lying brazenly, repeatedly, that that wouldn't have a more dramatic effect on the outcome of this race is pretty depressing. If you're right, if you're right, I hope that you are more right 24 hours ago than you are today. But it's it's very depressing that you could just brazenly lie like that so many times and get away with it. 00:44:16 Speaker 9: Yeah. 00:44:17 Speaker 7: Look, when Republicans and other Democrats do this stuff, they don't leave a paper trail and they just don't answer the reporter's questions. 00:44:24 Speaker 3: And people may say, well, that's no better. 00:44:26 Speaker 7: But to have someone who wants to be a United States senator just continue to brazenly lie when she's been caught, I find it troubling. But unfortunately, most of the media coverage before all this, we shouldn't have needed the New York Times story to know what a fraud this was. 00:44:41 Speaker 3: But most of the. 00:44:41 Speaker 7: Coverage is still, oh, how weird it is. 00:44:43 Speaker 3: And, you know, President Trump's upset. 00:44:45 Speaker 7: It takes a lot for Lisa Murkowski to speak out on Donald Trump's behalf. But she's upset by this. The governor's upset by it. The story is rock solid. And the denials are hilarious. The guy in the story who was involved, one of the many people involved in the conspiracy, who said his name showed up on documents even though he wasn't involved in the effort because of auto whatever, he said. 00:45:08 Speaker 3: It's one of my favorite auto whatever. 00:45:09 Speaker 4: Auto whatever. 00:45:11 Speaker 3: Anyway, I think that. 00:45:17 Speaker 7: The Alaska media really has kind of cemented my view that this isn't going to have a big effect, even though yesterday, again, I thought it could cost her the race by itself. The Alaska press is pretty minimal, and it's pretty much she said, she said. It's not focused on her lying about it. 00:45:32 Speaker 4: Well, I do think you're right about the other point that you were making, which is that this does bring more attention to the fact there's two Dan Sullivans. Because you've got to believe there's going to be people going into that ballot box that somehow they've been living under a rock, especially in Alaska. 00:45:45 Speaker 5: There's so many people who just don't know what's going on. 00:45:48 Speaker 4: And they'll just go in there and get confused, won't look for an R next to one of them. And they could vote for the wrong Dan Sullivan. You know what I thought was interesting, though, is that actually Dan Sullivan himself put out sort of like, hey, if you're going to do ranked choice voting– You can rank him after me, but just don't rank Mary Peltola. It's very interesting the way the Alaskan system works anyways, which I think is confusing for voters and actually a really unfortunate system. I think the ranked choice voting, everybody should reject it. It's terrible. Charlie hated it. I hate it. It's a way to weed out MAGA candidates, actually. They're trying to get rid of the MAGA. But anyway, Mark, so that's your take on Alaska voting. Do you see any– we're conservatives. Very proud of that. Do you see any bright lights, any white pills in any of the races? Because I'm not going to let you black pill us here, Mark. What about Michigan? What about anything? I'm not rooting for the Democrats. 00:46:48 Speaker 7: I'm not predicting the Democrats will have a blue tsunami as big as Connecticut. But if you listen to my Republican sources, there's almost a 50 percent chance that this is a white bat. 00:46:56 Speaker 3: Might not be. 00:46:57 Speaker 7: You might see a lot of races where Democrats do way better than they did two years ago in red states and red districts and fall just short. But there's it's getting close to 50 percent chance that this is a white bat based on talking to folks in the Republican side about their private polling data and what they're seeing there in the races. There's not one race with the possible exception of Iowa in the contested Senate races that I would say Republicans are feeling better about this week than last week. And I'll just cut to the chase right now. I think pretty close to done for the Democrats are three of the four they need, assuming they don't lose Michigan. I think Ohio, Kansas, and North Carolina are pretty close to done for the Democrats. And that means Democrats would only need to win one, assuming they win Michigan, of Maine, Iowa, Texas, Nebraska, and Alaska. 00:47:53 Speaker 5: You think Kansas is done? 00:47:54 Speaker 8: A race. 00:47:55 Speaker 5: was not getting two months ago. 00:47:57 Speaker 7: I don't know if you guys heard the president was supposed to go to Kansas on Saturday and he just canceled. Um, and I think, I think no one's told me this, but I think probably he he's heard what I've heard, which for about 10 days, the numbers have just not been there. 00:48:10 Speaker 4: What's animating that race like that? 00:48:14 Speaker 7: Uh, well, that one's got particular circumstance, which is Senator Marshall was told by his colleagues getting gear. You could have a race and he just didn't. Didn't hire staff, didn't raise money, didn't develop a plan to be a very skilled Democratic candidate. And he's just getting killed on the air. He's getting killed in the earned media. And he's become, for Kansas voters, the embodiment of all the things Republicans are up against, the war, the high prices, the tariffs, the corruption, the buckraking, and the ballroom. 00:48:50 Speaker 4: The ballroom. 00:48:51 Speaker 3: And health care. 00:48:52 Speaker 7: Health care, he's had a special problem on health care because he's a doctor, and the Democrats' opposition researchers did a great job of getting the New York Times to run this story about how Dr. Marshall's patients were chased down to pay their unpaid bills and turned them into a bad guy, and they've dined out on that for weeks on the Democrat side. 00:49:12 Speaker 4: Also, the diesel prices in a place like Kansas, right? 00:49:15 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:49:15 Speaker 4: It's huge. Nebraska, Kansas, Ohio. 00:49:19 Speaker 3: Massive. Massive. Yeah. Yeah. 00:49:21 Speaker 7: The whole corn belt, the whole corn belt in terms of diesel prices, gas prices, the war and the tariffs. It's just, it's just a very uphill fight. And this is a guy who didn't expect to have race. If there is a wipeout, you're going to see some house candidates in the same position. 00:49:35 Speaker 4: All right. So Mark, I'm going to challenge some of the assumptions here. All right. First, I'm going to play you a clip from Ari Fleischer, and then I'm going to play you a clip from Speaker Johnson. It's at 13. 00:49:48 Speaker 11: Actually, I have good news for if you're a Republican about what's happening in Michigan. I am working on that race, and I can report right now that early voting numbers are very good for Rodgers. 21% increase in Democrat turnout in counties won by Kamala Harris in early voting. 27% increase for Mike Rodgers. So Republicans in Michigan are fired up or turning out earlier in greater numbers than the Democrats actually in the Trump counties. If Donald Trump were not on the stump, if he wasn't campaigning the way he is, think about what Republican turnout would be. He's making an impact in these states. 00:50:23 Speaker 4: All right, that's clip one. Clip two, Speaker Johnson this morning. What's that? 00:50:29 Speaker 7: I agree with everything Ari said. 00:50:31 Speaker 4: Okay, all right. But y'all play this right here. Stop 14. 00:50:34 Speaker 12: And people are looking at record over rhetoric. 00:50:36 Speaker 2: I am absolutely. 00:50:37 Speaker 12: Convinced huge crowds all over the country from New York to California, from Alaska with Nick Begich running for the House up there all the way to South Florida. We have gigantic crowds, big excitement. It feels just like 2024 to me. And I'm telling you, the polls are going to be historically wrong in this midterm election. 00:50:53 Speaker 6: All right. 00:50:54 Speaker 4: Your reaction, Mark? I mean. 00:50:56 Speaker 7: I know it's, it's, it's, uh, popular to rail against the public polls, but I'm not basing what I'm telling you is, is thought to be likely to happen on public polls. I'm basing it on private polls. And in this case, mostly largely Republican private polls. So I think if the speaker were being honest, I mean, no disrespect to him. He wouldn't say that because I think his private polls aren't great either. 00:51:19 Speaker 4: So you think it's a, he's trying to keep morale up. He's trying to, uh, increase turnout, right? I mean, do you think there is a possibility, though, with maybe some of the turnout models are wrong, some of the weighting in some of these polls are off? For example, in Arizona, we were projecting, and listen, things could change in the last couple days here, but most of the polling had a projection of 15% to 18% under 30 vote. Right now, I think it's at about 6.4% of the vote. So that changes a lot of the projections. Right. We know that we've lost ground with younger voters. But so those those types of anomalies or phenomenons could could change the way this thing works out. 00:52:06 Speaker 7: If you're not right about who's going to vote, the polls meaningless. If you think the electorate is going to be 20 percent black voters and it's 40 percent black voters, your polls meaningless. And this is a very unpredictable election. We're regarding Democrats, Independents, and Republicans, the three sizes voters come in. Very unpredictable who's going to vote. What we do know is even though polls historically have often underestimated Republicans, and that's just a fact, they might be underestimating Democrats this time, might be. is a very unsettled thing. That's why I tell people, don't live or die for the next five days by the polls. You'd be making a mistake to stake whether you vote or not on the polls or how you're feeling about things on the polls. Because the public polls are not usually all very good. 00:52:47 Speaker 3: They're not usually that high quality. 00:52:49 Speaker 7: I'm basing what I know on the analytics and the polling of private folks who spend way more on these things and have a higher stake than a CBS News or NBC News press release. 00:53:00 Speaker 6: So, Mark, obviously, You've laid out what you think will happen, but let's say we get. 00:53:06 Speaker 3: No, I didn't. 00:53:08 Speaker 7: I laid out what the preponderance of my sources believe will happen. 00:53:12 Speaker 5: Fair enough. Fair enough. 00:53:14 Speaker 6: Let's say we get to Tuesday night and we get what Andrew and I are hoping for. We get a surprisingly good night for Republicans. Don't lose the Senate. Win some of those races. Maybe we hang on in Kansas where you think it's gone. What's the narrative? What do you think will be the surprises within the electorate, within public sentiment that Made that come to pass. 00:53:36 Speaker 7: That the president trips around the country really turned out the base and appealed to some independent voters that Democrats were reliant on people like young men, Hispanic voters and irregular voters. 00:53:49 Speaker 3: To turn out. 00:53:50 Speaker 7: And that the Republicans had just enough margin for a state that's plus 10 Trump or a congressional district that's plus 15 Trump, where they gave a lot of ground and they lost a lot. But it doesn't matter where you win a district or a state by 15 or two, you still get to take the seat. And so the Democrats will have done surprisingly well compared to two and four years ago, but not well enough to win in these very red places. 00:54:15 Speaker 8: Mark? 00:54:16 Speaker 6: So a follow up on that. So let's say we get a result like that, which technically would be a big gain for Democrats. They might flip the House. They might get it. But it's less than they expected. What then do you think would be the reactions of the parties? Would it still the spin end up being Republicans have lost ground? They just haven't lost it all the way. Or will there be some element that Democrats badly dropped the ball and need new strategies? 00:54:38 Speaker 7: If Democrats narrowly take the House and fail to take the Senate. There'll be a lot of questions, depending on which races they lose. There'll be a lot of questions within the party about what kind of candidates they should be nominating. And there'll be a lot of questions about whether they should have had more of a message that they didn't really run on anything except not Trump. 00:54:58 Speaker 4: What happens to AOC's future or the far left of the party writ large if guys like El-Sayed win in Michigan? 00:55:09 Speaker 7: I think his winning in Michigan would transform the party's debate about what kind of party they are. And I think if she chooses to run for president, it would help her. But I think he's more likely to run for president than she is. 00:55:21 Speaker 4: Interesting. You think he's going to go pull the full Obama? So it's not even just emulating his intonation and his ways of speaking, but he's going to do it, you know, gets elected in 06 and then runs in 08. 00:55:34 Speaker 7: The socialists need a candidate, and everybody says Bernie's too old to run, and she's too vulnerable on a range of issues, and I don't think personally wants to run, and I don't think they think Ro Khanna's the answer. So if you believe that the socialists need a candidate, I don't know who would be more likely than him at this point. 00:55:50 Speaker 4: That's an interesting take. I think that's important, and I'm a firm believer that, listen, if you're listening out there and you're frustrated with President Trump, I think it's really important to look at The future, if you don't show up and vote. What the left will bring to bear if you don't show up and vote. They're on college campuses mocking Charlie's assassination every day. Mark Halperin, everybody check him out. 00:56:17 Speaker 2: We'll see you after the election. 00:56:20 Speaker 3: I'm so glad to have spent this time with you. 00:56:22 Speaker 4: See you soon. 00:56:23 Speaker 3: Thank you. 00:56:24 Speaker 4: Thank you, Mark. Mark Halperin, one of the greats. If you've ever skipped The Doctor because you couldn't afford it, you need to hear this. Christian Healthcare Ministries is the Christian alternative to health insurance. In under 10 minutes, you can join and start saving hundreds of dollars every month. As a member, you have freedom to get the best care at an affordable price with programs starting at $ 115 a month. I'll say that again, $ 115 a month. Just think of how you can put those savings back into your everyday needs. 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I think that's got to be true. 00:57:53 Speaker 5: And he'll fill in for the other hosts, too. 00:57:55 Speaker 6: He's probably hosted every single show on Fox at this point. 00:57:58 Speaker 4: It's true. It's true. Brian Kilmeade's got a new book out called Uniting the States, Six Crucial Moments That Forged the American Miracle. Everybody should check it out. Brian, welcome back to the show, my friend. It's good to see you. 00:58:11 Speaker 2: Same. I'm a big fan. 00:58:13 Speaker 8: Thanks for saying those nice words, but I'm so glad what you guys are able to do and keep going. 00:58:17 Speaker 2: It's been fantastic. So glad to be a part of it. 00:58:20 Speaker 4: Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, so your book. So on top of all your other hosting duties, first, everybody wants to know this, Brian. What time do you wake up every morning for Fox and Friends? 00:58:31 Speaker 8: 2.20 a.m. 00:58:31 Speaker 4: 220 on the very specific number like you've must and you've been doing it long enough you must have really zeroed in on. 00:58:39 Speaker 6: The wait are you on eastern time so are you are you waking up like after i go to sleep yes oh man. 00:58:44 Speaker 8: Uh yeah i haven't had a late night in a long time even when i go out on weekends i don't really adjust too well so um i know yeah those days are going past midnight unless sean hannity marries ainsley i'm not staying up too late and that's probably not good they're not going to get married. 00:58:57 Speaker 4: Again Yeah, I would hope not. And, you know, but congratulations to them, by the way, which is it's a very beautiful couple there. 00:59:04 Speaker 8: All right. 00:59:04 Speaker 4: So uniting the states, you picked six crucial moments that forged the American miracle. First of all, why do you call it a miracle? And then I want to get into some of your your six moments. 00:59:15 Speaker 8: Out of all the interviews I've done, Andrew, you're the only one to ever ask me that. And that is because none of it makes sense. I mean, like the way it became a country, the way we were challenged, the resourcefulness and resilience that we've experienced and some mystical things. 00:59:28 Speaker 2: That have happened. 00:59:29 Speaker 8: And I think I might have talked to you about this when we were doing George Washington's Secret Six. 00:59:33 Speaker 2: It's a while ago. 00:59:35 Speaker 8: But, you know, when Washington's in the Battle of New York, he gets backed. 00:59:39 Speaker 2: Up in Brooklyn. 00:59:40 Speaker 8: And they still got this little memorial for the Battle of Brooklyn, which we got just hammered in. We almost lost our entire army. And Washington has to decide at night. He's like, listen, we're going to get up in the morning and we're not going to be able to face this army. 00:59:54 Speaker 2: I got to get out. 00:59:55 Speaker 8: So he calls for civilian ships and everybody to come and barges show up. And then the water becomes so choppy, they barely ever get anybody out until like 1030 at night. So by the time the sun's about to come up, we still have another 1,000 or 2,000 soldiers to get out. And out of nowhere, a fog rolls in so thick you could not see the fingers on your outstretched hand. 01:00:18 Speaker 2: How do I know that? 01:00:19 Speaker 8: The exact words of Benjamin Talmadge, who wrote his own biography in 1820, 76 pages, talking about what exactly happened. They never figured out where that fog came through. But if the British knew that we were trying to evacuate, they would have just tried to wipe out the whole army. There's no way the British thought we were going to leave. So Washington made this daring move, and he got weather to work for him. 01:00:42 Speaker 2: How did that happen? How did it happen that in. 01:00:44 Speaker 8: The War of 1812, when 1814 comes up, and they cut through our militia like paper mache and burn Washington to the ground, and British don't plan on leaving our capital, out of nowhere, a tornado rolls through Washington and blows them right out of the capital, something our army couldn't do. So that, and then you have the miracle of New Orleans, right? where a 41-year-old self-trained general, Andrew Jackson, sets up at the perfect place to block the British from getting to New Orleans. He just took an educated guess, and he just built a wall, dug a canal, and he said, if the British try to get here, they're going to have to scale this wall and the canal. But if the British landed about 1,000 yards separately, they would have been able to get around it. 01:01:35 Speaker 2: But they landed at the exact same place. 01:01:37 Speaker 8: To allow their entire army to be basically wiped out in 45 minutes. 01:01:42 Speaker 2: They just defeated Napoleon's invincibles. 01:01:45 Speaker 8: So many times things happened that would stop us in our tracks, and it just didn't happen. 01:01:50 Speaker 2: And we come out bigger and stronger afterwards. 01:01:54 Speaker 4: So you've got six miracles in there. I love that answer, by the way. And what's going through my mind, Brian, as you're talking about this, is the fact that This is why the midterms matter, because we are defending something so precious, so miraculous. The providential hand of God has had to have been on this nation from its founding. You don't get here, and you don't become America without all of these miracles stacking one on top of the other. And we'll get into the midterms with you, because I know you've got a lot of thoughts about that as well, Brian. But what about something in the 20th century or the 21st century? You touch on those as well. 01:02:33 Speaker 2: I do. 01:02:33 Speaker 8: And basically, it's the Boston Massacre, and we established law and order and justice in that. It's not that Paul Revere came up with a plaque that pressed into every newspaper, Silversmith, that sold it as a massacre. It really wasn't a massacre. It was an unfortunate incident. It was a riot that broke out, and they were unable to figure out who was wrong. And then I talked about George Washington changing the way he fights. He never fought like that before. He decides the longer this goes on and we don't lose, the closer we'll get to winning. 01:03:02 Speaker 2: Louisiana Purchase. 01:03:04 Speaker 8: I mean, if there wasn't a slave rebellion right in the Caribbean at the right exact time, if there wasn't a sense that the British were going to fight and try to do a preemptive attack on France to stop Napoleon, if he didn't have these crazy designs in Austria and Russia, he would never have sold us anything. In fact, we were willing to fight to get them out of New Orleans because we needed the mouth of the Mississippi because it was like the Strait of Hormuz for us. And we just said, Jefferson says, listen, we need this. He tries for 18 months to buy it. 01:03:35 Speaker 2: They don't budge. 01:03:37 Speaker 8: But everything calls into place. Suddenly, out of nowhere, Napoleon needs money. And then he goes, listen, I want to be done with the colonies. I can't have any assets. I want all my assets in Europe. So we lost thousands of men in the slave rebellion. In two separate islands. And then we're going to have to have thousands of men in our Navy back to fight the British again. So when James Monroe shows up there with $ 4 million in loans, they basically say, listen, he expects the fight of his life. Instead, he gets the deal of a century. They say, take it. But here's the thing. You got to double this. You got to take everything. So suddenly, without firing a shot, we doubled the size of the country. Now, there was a whole group of people like Alexander Hamilton who said, I want America to be small like Denmark or Holland. I don't want a big country. And then Jefferson was like, no, no, I want a big country. And Washington at the time had always spoken about, no, no, we got to move west. But there was a lot of people who wanted no part of moving west, thought it was too dangerous, that it would devalue our property. Well, thank goodness we had Jefferson as president. Nothing against Hamilton, but we need the expansion as president. And my goodness, the fortuitous nature of the negotiations, it's. 01:04:47 Speaker 2: All about timing. And America became an ability. 01:04:51 Speaker 8: Now we have the ability to accept thousands of more people who just wanted a shot at freedom and reaching a potential. 01:04:58 Speaker 2: And overall, go ahead. 01:05:00 Speaker 6: It's just one of the greatest things in world history that this big, rich American continent is– controlled by a British-descended country with its success. If we just left it to Spain, the world would be vastly worse off. If we left it to France, the world would be worse off. But I wanted to ask another one of the six that really intrigues me looking at the list. Daniel Shays, that's not a name you usually hear as an important figure in the American founding in a positive way. At least I'm going off the sort of summary here, but you describe him as The Man Who Loses Everything to Stand Up for the Little Man and Inspires the Constitutional Convention. Why did Daniel Shays get in this book as one of the key six? 01:05:44 Speaker 2: So, Blake, you mentioned before I do the series, What Makes America Great? 01:05:47 Speaker 8: I'm up to 72 now. I got brand new seasons coming out, I think, in December. And what I do is when I go out with these people, I used to be so into sports where, you know, you go out, you talk to the coaches, you get to be managers, you get to get insight. And that ship has sailed. And even news, I get to tell you, I see Steve Witkoff at an event. You see Governor DeSantis at an event. I just, I don't really go to small talk. What's going on? What are you going to be doing next? 01:06:11 Speaker 2: What's happening? 01:06:13 Speaker 8: But these historians, they are so open to questions, to people that care. They studied their whole life. Mostly they're quiet men and women. And when I come to these libraries, when I go to John Quincy Adams' house, and I know these people live every day to bring a handful of people through this house, I talk to them about what's important. So I read about Shays' Rebellion, how it led to the Constitution. 01:06:39 Speaker 2: And I'm like, how did that happen? 01:06:40 Speaker 8: Well, I met the guy that wrote the book that found the code that James Madison said, Daniel Shea's little rebellion did more to lead us to a constitution than any other single event. 01:06:53 Speaker 2: And why? 01:06:54 Speaker 8: Because we needed our rock star to attend the Continental Constitutional Convention. Who was that, Andrew? It's George Washington. 01:07:01 Speaker 4: George Washington, yeah. 01:07:02 Speaker 3: He was not. 01:07:03 Speaker 8: He's like, I'm done. Hey, I got you the war. Now you have your country. I'm buried in debt here. I got to fix Mount Vernon. 01:07:11 Speaker 4: I want to go back to Virginia. 01:07:13 Speaker 3: Yeah. 01:07:13 Speaker 1: Yeah. 01:07:14 Speaker 8: So when he finds out that he knows all our colonies are acting like 13 separate countries, they did want to help anybody out. 01:07:21 Speaker 2: Leave me alone. I don't want a strong central government. The last thing I want is another king. 01:07:26 Speaker 8: But when he saw that Daniel Shea is a war hero that Lafayette gave a sword to, started as an ensign, ended up as a captain because of the way he fought and the. 01:07:35 Speaker 2: Fearlessness and way he led. He said, listen, I never saw anybody fight like you. Take my sword. 01:07:40 Speaker 8: I want everyone to know that comes into your house in the future what a great man you are. And when Washington hears that this great man was so fed up and so frustrated with the lack of representation when it came to taxes and demands, that they were jailing farmers and putting them in debtor's prison without any voice or without any court case, and he finally formed a group of regulators, along with another guy named Wheeler, and they decide to block the courthouse. And they just say, no one's getting arrested. We're not going on trial until we understand that farmers don't have cash. 01:08:12 Speaker 2: We have crops. 01:08:14 Speaker 8: And every time we have a bad season, we can't pay it. But they understand in two years, we'll make up for it. But instead, you're putting us in jail for your new rules, which. 01:08:22 Speaker 2: We had nothing to do with. But they, at first, they gave in. 01:08:26 Speaker 8: The next time, Henry Knox, of all people, our first secretary of war, put together a militia. First shot over his head, then shot for their heads. Two die, two get hanged. And they broke these guys up. And they told Daniel Shays, I don't care what you did for the country, you're banished. And they basically had to take his family and go to Vermont, which is akin to Vermont back then. 01:08:47 Speaker 2: And he was never looked at as a war hero. 01:08:50 Speaker 8: But it shook Washington to the point when Madison and Knox came to see him. and he said basically, all right, let's do this. We've got to write a constitution. We've got to do the Federalist Papers. We've got to sell it to all 13 colonies. But they knew they couldn't get out of the blocks without Washington. 01:09:05 Speaker 4: So that's a really interesting history that most Americans don't know anything about, by the way. And that's fantastic. So you got six. So I kind of alluded to this question before. I know it's not in your book. But if you had to give an honorary mention, a seventh that came in the 20th or 21st century, does something come to mind? 01:09:28 Speaker 8: I would say if you told me in the 19th century, I'd say Gettysburg, I almost thought. 01:09:34 Speaker 2: But it was too obvious. 01:09:35 Speaker 8: And I feel like there's movies about it and documentaries about it. 01:09:37 Speaker 4: No, it's good, though. There's a reason for that. 01:09:39 Speaker 2: But because we lost. 01:09:41 Speaker 8: I mean, the South just gets momentum. They're in the North. They win this battle. They're not going to quit. And then maybe England recognizes Gettysburg. The South is a separate country. They were really screwed. 01:09:51 Speaker 4: I'm going to give you a minute to think about this, Brian. 01:09:53 Speaker 2: I have it. 01:09:54 Speaker 4: OK, OK. The floor is yours. 01:09:56 Speaker 2: Yeah. And here it is. 01:09:58 Speaker 8: But for a different reason, I think Pearl Harbor, because we weren't going to get in that war. If you read FDR and you read about this stuff, I'm not an FDR expert, but I read about what build up. We could not convince this country to get into the war. But he knew we absolutely had to get into that war. And I don't want to focus on the amount of people who lost their lives violently, the way they fought back that day, the amount of ships that got sunk. 01:10:21 Speaker 2: But we needed. 01:10:22 Speaker 8: Something titanic to hit us in order to get in the war to change the world and save the free world. Literally, the free world was in the balance. FDR, with all his power, literally with all his power in the Congress and the Senate, couldn't do it. We were trying to lend lease England and have them fight for themselves. But it wasn't until Japan bombed us. And then we said, while we're at it, we're declaring war on Germany. And even Hitler said, what did you do? 01:10:48 Speaker 2: We had this thing. And then we were able to get into the war. 01:10:51 Speaker 8: So I think that moment, but for a different reason, it got us into the war to allow us to be the free country we are today. 01:10:59 Speaker 4: Honestly, I thought of the same one. I thought of the same one, too. 01:11:03 Speaker 6: I think if I had to add one, I would actually say Washington stepping down after two terms in the way that he did. 01:11:08 Speaker 5: I think that mattered. 01:11:09 Speaker 6: I was thinking in the early years, but 20th century one, I don't know. 20th century, sadly, is mostly a story of us dividing as states more and more. 01:11:20 Speaker 4: Well, that's not true. I mean, we landed on the moon. Pearl Harbor, yeah. I actually think Eisenhower uniting the country with the freeway system was a big one. Not a bad one. The Battle of Midway also comes to mind. Anyways, I just love talking with historians about things that they think about, what was really crucial. But yours is a good one. Uh, so Brian, and by the way, everybody go get a copy of uniting the States, six crucial moments that forged the American miracle. I don't know how you find time for it all, Brian. I really, really don't. And if you watch what you do on Fox and friends and how knowledgeable you are, you mentioned how you get straight to the meat of it. And you always kind of know where the, where the, where the controversy is or where the key question is. I don't know how you have time for all of it. So, uh, kudos to you, my friend. Um, Like I said in segment one, all of this talk about how America is a miracle, that we exist in the way we do and our success, it helps you understand the stakes of every election. And unfortunately, each election becomes more existential because part of the country, I think, genuinely hates this country. They want to replace our institutions, replace our values. And so it becomes more and more existential. When you're looking at this midterms, What stands out to you? You're a historian. You've been doing this for a long time. What's different about it? What are you paying attention to right now? What do you think are the main storylines and the main things you're watching for? 01:12:48 Speaker 2: OK, here's the thing. 01:12:49 Speaker 8: If it's going to if we're going to if Republicans lose the House, what's the margin? And the margin is small. You got about five. 01:12:57 Speaker 2: True blue socialists don't like the country. You know, Kate Israel, hate Israel. who will have leverage. You know, Kevin McCarthy had a hard time. 01:13:06 Speaker 8: He ended up losing his job because Matt Gaetz and company wanted to get him out. And Speaker Johnson didn't get a lot done, had all types of hellacious votes and maybe could have done more, but he had such a small agenda and certain people were, it was almost impossible to get everyone on the same page. Now, these guys, Hakeem Jeffries has said he's not for Medicare for all. He's not for disbanding the police. He's not for disbanding the Senate. So these guys are, you know, these guys want to get rid of billionaires. 01:13:39 Speaker 2: They want a wealth tax. 01:13:40 Speaker 8: So they're going to, they want Medicare for all, which is unaffordable. Anyone who says Medicare for all is not even being serious. So they're going to do all these things. They're going to look to freeze rents. They're going to lose to nationalize industries. They're going to try to take Elon Musk's businesses away and nationalize them. 01:13:56 Speaker 2: Believe me. So that's, that's what I'm looking forward to see. 01:14:00 Speaker 8: If, The five layups, because they don't have any primaries. The new block, they call themselves the block. If Hakeem Jeffries. 01:14:09 Speaker 2: Has a small advantage and it's. 01:14:12 Speaker 8: No longer Speaker Johnson, he's going to be a hostage. 01:14:16 Speaker 2: No doubt about it. 01:14:17 Speaker 8: And I think we're all going to be screwed because of it, unless Republicans decide to jump on his side. 01:14:21 Speaker 2: Democrats never helped out Kevin McCarthy or Speaker Johnson. Nobody did. maybe golden one time over in Maine. So I'm going to look for that. The other thing is El-Said. 01:14:33 Speaker 8: Not only do Republicans need to flip that seat if they want to keep their majority, I think, but if the people of Michigan, this is not Washington State, this is not California. If the people of Michigan, who Donald Trump won that state twice and almost won it three times, if they think that El-Said best represents them, who doesn't like Jewish people, hates Israel, the black community he has no interest in, and he has Haley Stevens, the one he beat by. 01:15:04 Speaker 2: One point, say, I don't know who I'm going to vote for. I'm on the team. 01:15:08 Speaker 8: Who lost two Democratic, Michigan Democratic strategists who got Whitmer elected. If he wins losing all this foundational support, I think we're in a lot of trouble, especially because he's got a solid candidate against him. I'm not asking you to vote for a guy that's terrible. I mean, you've got a real experienced guy, Mike Rogers. 01:15:29 Speaker 4: So I'm looking for that. He's campaigned great. Yeah, I mean, this could be one of those weird electoral cycles, Brian, where you just have a perfect storm, right? Gas prices are what they are. You know, the economy is we've still got inflation because of some of the Iran war. stuff. It just could be the perfect storm for somebody like an El Sayed to get an office. I happen to think that we're going to hold the Senate. I don't know if it's going to be 50-50 plus Vance, but I think we're going to hold the Senate. That's my prediction. The House is a way bigger lift. There's no doubt about it. But we could also get a weird thing where we win in Michigan, we win in New Hampshire, we win in Maine, who knows, Minnesota, but we slide back in red states. You never know. It could just be a funky map. It could just be a very funky map. But, Brian, last question here as we wrap up, and thank you so much for your time. The whole lawfare thing, how much are you expecting? If the Dems get the House, you know, subpoenas, investigations, how bad do you think it could get? 01:16:34 Speaker 8: I think, for example, Adam Schiff's kept his powder drive because he's scared to death. I think he's ready to go. I think he's going to go. gloves off against the Trump family. I think he's going to go after Corey Lewandowski. I think that he's going to look at Donald Trump's. 01:16:49 Speaker 2: Relationship with business people. Here's the scary thing. 01:16:52 Speaker 8: I think that people like Zuckerberg and people like Musk and people like Sergey Brin and people like David Sachs, who never would give the Republicans a time of day. They got used to Trump. They go, man, we've been misled and he's been mischaracterized. 01:17:06 Speaker 2: I'm on board. Now you're going to punish? 01:17:09 Speaker 8: You're going to drag them in front of committees and try to punish them for their support? Can you imagine this? I mean, can you imagine? What are you guilty of? Supporting Donald Trump. So it's good to scare the heck out. What about these banks? I don't know if you could say that Brian Moynihan was a guy they tried to get back in, but they wouldn't let him. But all the other bankers are all open because Trump's such a capitalist. They thought they had an ally there. Are they going to pay the price now? So that's what I'm looking for. I think it very well could happen, but I hope these men and women push back and fight back and say, I'm allowed to do what I want. 01:17:44 Speaker 2: My business will be my business. 01:17:45 Speaker 4: Brian Kilmeade, author of Uniting the States. Very smart analysis. Thank you, Brian Kilmeade. God bless you. Congrats on the book. 01:17:52 Speaker 2: All right, Blake and Andrew, thanks so much. 01:17:58 Speaker 4: For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.