THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 148 — Eternal Boomer Cruises? Christian Horror Films? Hiding Your Vote?

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Marvelous like you before. 00:02:41 Speaker 5: Wouldn't that make the most sense? 00:02:43 Speaker 1: You're right. 00:02:44 Speaker 6: I must have missed this thought crime shirt memo. 00:02:48 Speaker 1: If you guys were in the studio, you would have got one. 00:02:51 Speaker 5: No, because they decided to make a shirt themselves at the mall and be like, we need. 00:02:54 Speaker 4: Alliterative adjectives for Jack Posobiec, like the poser Posobiec. 00:02:58 Speaker 1: Oh, poser Posobiec. Uh-oh, that's nasty. 00:03:00 Speaker 4: Pusillanimous Posobiec. Jack, the floor is yours. 00:03:03 Speaker 1: What do you want to say? 00:03:04 Speaker 5: I think you mean the potent Posobiec. 00:03:07 Speaker 1: Oh, okay. 00:03:08 Speaker 3: How about Palposo the Powerful? 00:03:09 Speaker 1: That's what your wife said. Sorry, I had to. Yes, you did say that. She's got two kids. It's like Annie Oakley over there. All right, Jack, it's good to have you. You got the Navy shirt. That works. Mikey, do you have any impersonations or accents? I'm boring up in here. No Bandura, no nothing. Gosh, all right, fine. 00:03:30 Speaker 6: I almost wore the Muslim head garb. I almost just wore a Muslim head garb tonight. Oh, like James O'Keefe and Cam Higby. 00:03:38 Speaker 1: Yes, Mark. 00:03:40 Speaker 5: Make sure you do it in a Democrat area, too, by the way, because they definitely will never do anything. No, that's completely insane, and we need to support them to the hilt, because that's obviously unconstitutional. 00:03:50 Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Yeah, by the way, they have a give, send, go. I posted a link to that if you want to check out my ex. I'm sure, Jack, I don't know. You probably have done the same. But got to support those guys because they did nothing wrong. This is election season, okay? And everybody out there needs to go vote. I don't care what the polls say. I don't care if you're dooming. I don't care if you are curled up in the fetal position on the floor in a corner. Crying like a baby. You have to vote. And I always say this quote, and eventually I'm going to say it enough, and people like Jack are going to pick it up and run with it. No, I'm kidding. Jack knows this very intimately. There is 160 million people that vote during a presidential race. 160 million. There's tons of votes out there. Only about 100 million are going to vote in the midterms. Maybe a little bit more. There's a lot of energy around this one. But that means that both sides have plenty of votes to win, right? It's about who turns out their base. This is why President Trump has been barnstorming the country. It doesn't matter what the polls say. There was a great tweet actually out from Frank Luntz that showed Trump losing all these states in 2024 that he won. So we don't know what the polling is. We don't know how they modeled every poll. Some of them are suggesting that it's gonna be 18%, 30 and under voters. Well, guess what? If right now it's at 6%. So you don't know how they modeled it. We don't know if it's gonna be a historic polling miss like Speaker Johnson is saying, or if we're gonna get shellacked. Either way though, We've got to get out there. So cast your ballot. Go to VoteReady.com. Make a plan to vote or TPAction.com slash polls and find out your nearing polling location. So either of those will work out great. VoteReady.com or TPAction.com slash polls. And speaking of which, Jack, and I think the Thought Crime crew has this ready back there. I wanted to start this off just really quickly because I think it's pretty striking. The predictive markets now have the Kansas senatorial race at basically a 50-50. And that is Senator Marshall versus this guy named Adam Hamilton. Right there. Yeah, look at it. So we've been wildly favored in this. And all of a sudden, boom. Like this week, it went to 51-49. And President Trump was expected to go campaign there. He's not going to campaign there now. Everybody's speculating what it is. We had Mark Halpern on the show this morning. He thought maybe because he thought all hope was lost. That's not what I'm hearing. So but I had never even looked this guy up before this seeing this Kansas predictive market here. And it turns out he's a complete wokey like. So woke that James Talrico would feel very comfortable sitting in a pew at his church. 00:06:30 Speaker 7: Ew. 00:06:30 Speaker 1: It's that bad. That's really gross. Almost more woke than Talrico, actually. Maybe you know more than I do. I'm just getting to know this guy. Literally just looked him up, quickly discovered he's pro-LGBTQ marriage at his church. 00:06:45 Speaker 3: What about true spirit and misogyny and murder? Yeah, I'm sure that too. 00:06:49 Speaker 1: M-I-2-S-L. He claims to be radically inclusive. He's pro-abortion. He rejects the inerrancy of Scripture, and he believes that Muslims, Hindus, and Buddhists, and all those folks, once they die, they have a chance to meet Jesus in death. So basically, following Jesus in life means nothing. So this is that guy. They call him the megachurch pastor, and it's like, no, he's like a self-help guru that uses Scripture as a backdrop. 00:07:16 Speaker 3: There's a lot of those. 00:07:16 Speaker 1: I don't know his heart. I don't know much about him. So for the sake of my own salvation, I'm not going to judge too harshly here, but what I can tell you is that, Mikey, you've been around the church your whole life. You've been around good preaching your whole life. When I tell you those things, what's your reaction? This guy sucks. 00:07:36 Speaker 6: The Bible warns about people like him all the time. This guy is borderline worse than Tallarico. The Bible warns in James 3.1 that those that teach will be held to a stricter judgment when they arrive to heaven. And so this guy is going to have to make an accounting as a teacher, as somebody that like goes about, you know, talking to his congregation, somebody that's supposed to be a shepherd of his congregation, actually feeding them like these false lies. But then it also warns us, right, that we need to beware of false prophets, of false teachers. 00:08:12 Speaker 1: That exploit us. 00:08:14 Speaker 6: And it says that, you know, the Bible talks about this all the time, how in times we have like itching ears, like an insatiable scratch that like we need to scratch it. And we search for somebody that can scratch that. And we search for like false teachers. And we oftentimes just hear something that they're saying. And we're like, that, that is truth. Like that is good. And Democrats, this is like really scary because for the longest time, like Democrats never even really tried to reach out to the Christian base or like run pastors for political ops or whatever, because like their base is so objectively immoral, like, you know, cutting off the genitalia of children. killing babies in the womb, like things that are just objectively anti-Christianity. And now what's really scary is we are in this new era where Democrats actually are running very scary candidates. You know, they're running Tallarico. They're running this Hamilton guy. And you're just going to see even more of it. This is a midterm cycle. Like, what are they going to do in a presidential election? What are they going to do 10 years from now? And Christians are falling for it. Like, there's the warning against false teachers like this guy. But then there's the warning against us as Christians that we need to beware of false prophets. And honestly, a lot of Christians are falling for this guy's BS. And this guy needs to be careful. He needs to start repenting. This is the thing that really worries me. I get a sense, this is both good and bad, that there's a lot of people out there. Maybe they even go to church a lot, but if they don't, they like the vibe of Christianity. They identify it. They consider it important. 00:09:41 Speaker 4: They're maybe the kind of person who out there would say, I would never vote for El-Sayed because he's a Muslim, or I would never vote for a candidate who explicitly says he's an atheist. But a lot of these people are very vulnerable of falling for the op of, I like that guy. 00:09:56 Speaker 3: He's a Christian. He's a pastor. 00:09:58 Speaker 4: And it's only named deep. They carry very little about the doctrine itself. Is what this man teaching actually Christian? It's just unfortunate that's not the layer that's getting through for a lot of them. I just think their engagement with politics is very superficial. 00:10:14 Speaker 1: Yeah, these are like baseline, surface level Christians. 00:10:17 Speaker 6: They only know the basics. Love thy neighbor like El-Sayed loves thy neighbor. Therefore, I'm going to vote for him. Not because he like actually is a Muslim that hates America. 00:10:26 Speaker 1: And wants to destroy everything that our civilization. Yeah. 00:10:28 Speaker 5: So again, this if you go back to some of the the original thought crime episodes, this is a psyop that we've been calling out in real time. This goes back to Taylor Sheridan, who is a dirty Hollywood liberal. And like just people need to stop supporting him completely like conservatives. Like you need to grow a spine and actually stand up for yourselves and start to like actually have some self-respect. And so this is the Hiklib psyop. So this is just the, this is the, these are the fruits of the Hiklib psyop of the idea that, oh, you know, I can be a Christian and I can be a second amendment supporter, but at the same time, also like I'm down with LGBTQ and I support those abortion rights. And I support all that stuff because exactly what Mikey is saying, that being Christian is actually just kind of like, generally love your neighbor it's basically like this reddit slop of um you know just be a hecking good hecking good. 00:11:22 Speaker 4: Person bro you hecking good person. 00:11:25 Speaker 8: You're a hecking good person good person no but this is where you get the the james talricos of it and they are yep they are excellent at what josh howerton calls putting on the skin suit of christianity and it's you you get a false gospel And it works. 00:11:43 Speaker 1: For some people because you have to remember there has been so many decades and decades, maybe a century or more of bad preaching. And this is where you get the sewing circle Christian that don't want to sound mean, that don't want to feel like they're offending somebody, that don't want to take any hard stands. They don't want to get in politics because it's dirty. All of these things are empowering and fueling the rise of people like talrico and now adam hamilton in kansas a state that we shouldn't have to worry about but here we are i'm still not convinced this is like really true i was looking at some of the early vote data i think republicans are coming home for him but that's a state that's been hit really hard by diesel and you know these are the corn crop uh american states right ohio kansas nebraska that have been just slammed by these diesel prices But I'm going to play this Josh Howerton clip because I think it's really powerful. It's a little bit long. Would you guys? Go for it. Let's just go for it. Like when you're frustrated by it. But the ending's really strong. And you can cut it off if you want halfway through if you need to. But I think this is really powerful. Josh is a friend of mine. He's a good dude. And I think he's having his moment. Anyways, I think he just nails this. Sot 48. 00:12:52 Speaker 7: I'm almost in awe. The deception right here is brilliant. Brilliant. 00:12:58 Speaker 1: Listen close. 00:12:59 Speaker 5: What would Jesus do? 00:13:00 Speaker 1: If he visited the US Senate. 00:13:03 Speaker 9: I think he would tell the senators on the floor, depart from me, for I was hungry and you cut my food assistance. I was sick and you kicked me off Medicaid. I was a stranger and you deported me and my family. And then I think he would flip over those fancy desks on the floor of the US Senate and demand that we take care of all of our neighbors, especially the least of these. 00:13:30 Speaker 1: Thunderous applause. Dude, this is masterful. 00:13:34 Speaker 7: This guy's whole campaign for two to three years has been opposing evil Christian nationalism. 00:13:42 Speaker 1: Oh, this is. 00:13:43 Speaker 7: Okay, here's what's the play that's getting run on you. When the Bible is used to advance a quote-unquote conservative cause, it's evil Christian nationalism. But as you just saw, when the Bible is used to advance a quote-unquote progressive cause. 00:14:00 Speaker 1: Thunderous applause. Aw, shucks. This is Talaric. Aw, shucks. 00:14:03 Speaker 7: It's just me being Christ-like. I'm just speaking truth to power. I'm flipping tables like Jesus. Why do y'all gotta be so mean? Christian nationalism for me, but not for thee. 00:14:14 Speaker 1: Here's what you're seeing. 00:14:16 Speaker 7: Exactly what he accused other people of doing at the very beginning of this episode, the identity theft of Jesus Christ. Every accusation is a confession, okay? What he does is, is he selectively edits Jesus until Jesus becomes a mascot for his cause. Jesus Christ is the Lord of the universe. He is not a mascot for your cause. What progressive Christians do, again, they're gonna hollow out your religion and wear it like a skin suit. What they do is they want the government to do the role of the individual. 00:14:51 Speaker 1: So charity, compassion, empathy. 00:14:52 Speaker 7: They want the government to do the role of the individual and they want nobody to do the role of the government. Enforce justice, biblically defined. It's really important to biblically define justice, equal weights and measures. To be a, quote, terror to the wrongdoer. That's the role of the government in Romans 13. So what progressive Christians do is they want the government to do the role of the individual and they want nobody to do the role of the government. 00:15:17 Speaker 1: And I'll just finish with this. 00:15:19 Speaker 7: If Christians do not do our responsibility as salt, the salt of the earth, salt and light of the earth. What you're going to see is you're going to end up with a biblically defined heretic and demonic false teacher leading your state, and that is going to affect the societal inheritance that you hand your children, grandchildren, and the future church in America. 00:15:41 Speaker 1: Ugh, that last line. Ugh, that was good. You are handing over the leadership of your country to demonically inspired heretics that will dramatically and negatively impact the future inheritance. You leave your children and your grandchildren. 00:15:57 Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, it's, it's what we do all the time. I thought it was so great. 00:16:00 Speaker 4: Even just when you mentioned, you mentioned the Esau story in the Bible, uh, you know, give away your birthright for. 00:16:06 Speaker 1: A bowl of porridge. 00:16:07 Speaker 4: And, It's been pointed out that often feels very literally true every time you see someone say, well, thank God we have five million immigrants here. 00:16:14 Speaker 1: You'd never be able to get a good bowl of pho soup anywhere. Yeah, what was that Piers Morgan line? I think Piers Morgan, but he was just, everyone's done it. They never stop. Jack, what did he want? He wanted a chicken tikka masala, and he would love to have all these immigrants. What was it? 00:16:28 Speaker 5: Which, by the way, tikka tikka masala actually is a British dish to begin with because they don't actually eat it in India. It was actually something that they came to England and was sort of like modified and came in. It's kind of like how Chinese food in America is not actually what they eat in China. So it's like it's already not actually Indian food. But no, it doesn't matter. 00:16:50 Speaker 1: You need it. You need it because of the food. 00:16:52 Speaker 5: Because recipes don't exist, by the way. I'm not Japanese. 00:16:55 Speaker 1: I can make sushi. I can make a sushi roll. I know. We appropriate everybody's culture anyways, he said. But you know what's funny? Our version of that right now, if you're a Kansas farmer, and my heart is with you by the way, my sympathies are with you. The diesel prices are crushing you. We've got to fix that. But your bowl of porridge right now is the price of diesel. You are toying with giving your state over, the leadership of your state over to demonic heretics that don't believe in the heresy of Scripture, that are pro-abortion. that are pro-LGBTQ marriage and two-spirit marriage and all this stuff because you're frustrated with the diesel price. Like, come on. I mean, we are going to get the diesel prices back down. We are going to get gas prices back down. And we've been talking about this all week. So if you are frustrated, Kansas farmer, with the price of diesel and the price of the tank of gas, I get you and I feel you. I feel the same. I have my frustrations with the Iran war. But are you really going to trust the party that canceled the XL pipeline, that prohibited drilling and exploration in Anwar in Alaska, that has the highest gas taxes anywhere in the country. If you do a comparison, a side-by-side of blue states and red states, you're going to see all the blue states have higher gas prices. They banned permitting. They paused it. No offshores. I mean, there is no comparison between the two parties when it comes to gas prices. So that's what you're frustrated about in the short term. And believe you me, I get it. But you are putting your eggs in the wrong basket here. You're putting your faith in the wrong savior. And in the case of Adam Hamilton and James Talrico, boy, oh boy, it could, I mean, it literally is heretical doctrine. So it's really, really, I guess we have a clip of this guy. Let's play it. Stop 43. 00:18:49 Speaker 5: We just can't let ourselves say that about the development of a human life. Some people want to tell me, well, this is a human being from the moment of conception. 00:18:56 Speaker 1: That's not how I see it. 00:18:58 Speaker 3: That's not how you see it. 00:19:01 Speaker 4: Oh, is that like Isaiah or whatever? 00:19:06 Speaker 1: Surely you knit me together in my mother's womb, but I wasn't quite human yet. I'm pretty sure David said that. What psalm was that? Mikey knows the psalm. Mikey, you know which psalm I'm talking about. knitted me together in my mother's womb. Yeah. 00:19:20 Speaker 4: I was fearfully and wonderfully made. I don't see it that way. I think, aren't you a preacher? You're kind of supposed to, how does God see it? 00:19:27 Speaker 1: Man, how does that hit, like, a Catholic series, Jack? Like, because, I mean, the Catholics have been the absolute best on abortion. They were the only ones after Roe v. Wade that, like, stayed in the fight and were, like, on it. And then the evangelicals got behind it and the Christians, you know, more broadly got behind it. But at first, it was the Catholics. I mean, you guys have so much street cred on this particular issue. 00:19:49 Speaker 6: Uh, Yeah. 00:19:50 Speaker 5: I mean, look, as the OGs around here, you know, it's like we see this stuff and we're like, this is what happens when you tell everybody they can interpret the Bible themselves. 00:20:00 Speaker 1: Fair enough. Fair enough. Well, it is true. That's fair. That's a fair critique because sometimes you just get awful Bible teaching and Sometimes you get great Bible teaching. So it sort of opens up the spectrum to some really great and some really awful. And that's true. That's a fair critique. But guess what, guys? That is not the only thing that's happening when it comes to elections that's thought-crimey. It's not just heretic preachers. It's women are trying to be very secretive about their vote. 00:20:29 Speaker 4: They're doing that again. Do they do this every two years? It's very funny because I feel like it's in a very patronizing... way of viewing womanhood in general. Like they massively, it's basically saying, look, we know you make all of your decisions based on like what's permitted socially. So like, please remember that what's permitted socially in your family can be overruled by what's permitted socially within your friend group on Instagram or whatever. 00:20:57 Speaker 1: I just, it's just, it's a really disgusting thing. Something about it's really bizarre. Jack, what would you do if Tanya Tay came to you and was like, like two years later, like I voted for Kamala last time. I lied to you. Like what a disgusting thing to even inject. 00:21:12 Speaker 5: I mean, you have to understand, though, that like, you know, there's this line in politics where they say a politician is only going to be as conservative as his wife. And the thing with me is that Tanya is like 10 times more right wing than I am. So like like it's just the idea that she would ever vote for someone that's that liberal or even like moderately a little bit liberal. She even comes to me and is like, why is President Trump so liberal? Sometimes I think he tries to play to the middle too much. 00:21:45 Speaker 1: He needs to go harder. 00:21:46 Speaker 5: He needs to be more extreme. He needs to get rid of all these people. And I'm like, whoa, sweetheart, baby, slow down a little bit. 00:21:51 Speaker 1: I was talking to a reporter recently, and thankfully it was off the record. I guess I'm about to on the record it here on the show. But I was like, you know Trump. Sometimes he acts like his old school Manhattan Democrat face. And she's like, can I use that? I was like, absolutely not. But here I am saying it true. But it is true. Mikey, you're married. What would you, I mean, how do you guys approach this issue? 00:22:17 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I think when women got the right to vote originally, and like, hear me out on this one, okay, I think this was actually government trying to enter the home and just separate husband and wife, right? Because before it was like household voting, you can come together, it's like, as a household, like, what do we agree on? Let's come together and do it. But this is the government entering and saying, no, actually, I want division. I want the man and the woman to have a different politically aligned belief that when they go to the ballot box, they can lie to one another or they can get in an argument. And Charlie used to talk about this all the time. That is the most important thing. You need to agree on family and religion and politics. These are all things that are super important. And if you don't, these are going to be things that you just end up arguing about But you see Democrats, they weaponized women's right to vote very. 00:23:09 Speaker 1: Very early on. 00:23:10 Speaker 6: Like the Obama... Do you remember the Life of Julia ad in 2012? 00:23:13 Speaker 1: Oh, gosh. No, I don't. You don't remember the Life of Julia? What was the Life of Julia? Oh, so bad. It was this woman from age... Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jack remembers. 00:23:25 Speaker 6: It was like from the moment you're born to the moment you're like 25 or something. This is how the Obama administration is going to serve you as a woman. 00:23:34 Speaker 1: And it was like. 00:23:35 Speaker 6: you know, conception or like when you become 18 and you like get pregnant and you need to get an abortion, like all these things. And it goes through the life of Julia. Like as a woman, this is how Democrats help you. And like Democrats found out that they could actually weaponize the home by making division between the husband and the wife. 00:23:52 Speaker 1: Like Democrats do not care about families. Like they want division. 00:23:56 Speaker 6: The Kamala Harris ad where it was like the woman winks at the other woman. She's like, I'm voting for Kamala. Don't tell my husband. And then they like go outside and the husband's like, You voted for Trump, right? And she's like, yeah, of course, sweetie. And she like high fives the other woman. Like this is what the Democrats want for families. They want division. They want divorce rates up. They don't care if you have a happy, healthy family. They don't care if your children are raised by two parents in the home that are married together. All they care about is getting the woman to vote Democrat and lie to their husband and have division. 00:24:27 Speaker 1: And the way they pander the emotion, the way they pander to female emotion is just really sick. Okay, Blake, but you're the historian. You're the resident historian here. I do what I can. The communists... Like a lot of the radical left wing movements have tried to divide families. And that's like a key because the family ultimately stands in the way of these left. 00:24:47 Speaker 3: Very much. 00:24:48 Speaker 4: I mean, there's the notorious one. I can't remember the name of him, but it's like there is a Soviet. I'm going to get his name right here. Pavlik Morozov. And this is the whole story is extremely creepy. Wikipedia photo. If you look him up because they did like Soviet hero artwork of him. 00:25:04 Speaker 1: And yeah, 100 percent. It's over. 00:25:09 Speaker 4: And let me get it into production. And so they made this kid into a secular saint, pretty literally. And what he was a saint for was denouncing his father to the authorities. in, like, Soviet Russia. So, like, oh, he said counter-revolutionary stuff. He reported him. And then, supposedly, they believe, like, the boy was, like, killed by his family. But he probably was a kid who just got murdered in normal domestic violence and whatever. The point is, they tried to make a secular saint out. 00:25:37 Speaker 1: Of this person. Because he threw his family under the bus? 00:25:39 Speaker 3: Because he, like, denounced his father to the secret police. 00:25:42 Speaker 1: Sounds like very now. 00:25:43 Speaker 4: And it's, like, it's very much, yeah, it very much is the left exists in a world where you, how to put this, like, They can't have anything outside of the state. Because everything they believe, they believe, like, everything must be– they must totally remake society. And so what is society if not, you know, the family? And so you have to overthrow families. You have to overthrow churches. You have to overthrow religious beliefs. Like, this is a big reason, I think, that they ultimately– It's not even enough to get rid of an established church. They don't have freedom of religion. They have to be actively very anti-religious. And I think a big part of it is they just really can't tolerate any ideological stuff that is outside of their capacity to absolutely remake what you think and believe. 00:26:34 Speaker 1: Did we throw the picture up of this guy? That's very creepy. 00:26:37 Speaker 4: Yeah, throw up the creepy looking photo of the kid. Yeah, look at that creepy forehead. That's like five head, six head, eight head. 00:26:49 Speaker 1: Picture this. You go to pay for groceries and your card is declined. You check the app, zero. The IRS just levied your account overnight and nobody called to tell you about it. That's not a horror story. That's a Tuesday for the IRS. Liens, levies, wage garnishments, bank seizures. They take what you've earned and they do not hesitate. If you owe back taxes or haven't filed, do not wait. Call America Tax Group, the nation's leading tax firm now at 888- 381-3816. Here's what's happening while you put it off. Failure to file penalties of up to 25% of your unpaid tax. 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Yeah, well, Blake, you're 100% right. 00:28:02 Speaker 6: In the old way of viewing families and a nation and everything, like Aristotle talks about this, where human beings are created and then they come in a pair and a pair requires a home for a family Family requires a village. 00:28:17 Speaker 1: A village requires a polis. 00:28:18 Speaker 6: And it goes on and on and on where you need a nation and then you need a civilization. 00:28:23 Speaker 1: Where Democrats go wrong is they flip that. 00:28:26 Speaker 6: So it used to be that the entire political system would revolve around the family. The family was the most important. And so messaging was always like, how can we support you as a family? Democrats flip it completely upside down. It's globalism first. So it's like the world stage first. And then it's like government is the most important after that. And then cities. And then maybe your community is important. And your family is what we build our entire regime off of. We will use your family. We will use your relationships. We will use household voting. We'll get rid of that. We'll separate your loved ones. We will reward liars and cheaters and people that throw you under the bus. Democrats and leftists completely flip the way the world is meant to be. 00:29:11 Speaker 1: We have to play the clips, though, here to prove our point. Stop one. Wait, what does it say? What did it say on that? I couldn't read the caption. I couldn't read it. I can't read it. PSA, your ballot is secret. Your husband won't know. PSA, your ballot is secret. Your husband won't know if you vote differently than him. What a dirty thing to do. 00:29:42 Speaker 5: Well, I have a thought crime here because there's something that's even worse, too, because when it comes down to these suburban women, right, because we all know that– Suburban women control the vote in the suburbs, and now that they've pushed more mail-in balloting and early voting via mail-in ballot, the real question is with these liberal women, how many of them are also taking their husband's mail-in ballot and saying, don't worry, sweetheart. I filled it in for you, and I voted exactly the way you wanted, and then just lying. 00:30:13 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:30:13 Speaker 5: Would you put that past a liberal housewife? 00:30:15 Speaker 1: They don't even need to lie about it. Would you put that past a liberal suburban woman? 00:30:18 Speaker 4: They can longhouse you really hard. They can just be like, oh, let me see it. They can socially pressure you. 00:30:23 Speaker 1: See it. 00:30:23 Speaker 4: This is a big reason mail-in ballots are a joke. This is like, if people actually cared about the secret ballot, here's the rule. You go into the little pod. You're not allowed to bring a phone in with you. If you have a phone with you, we'll see it, and your vote will get nullified. You have to go into the booth. This is also part of it. You know the scam they do with Somalis, for example. 00:30:44 Speaker 3: Everyone's allowed to have an interpreter in the booth to just interpret the ballot. Not telling you how to read. 00:30:52 Speaker 1: You shouldn't be voting in our election. 00:30:54 Speaker 3: 100%. 00:30:54 Speaker 1: If you cannot speak English, you should not be voting in the election of an English-speaking country. What the hell are we even talking about? By the way. 00:31:04 Speaker 6: These women, like this girl that was doing this little TikTok dance, like lying about her husband's ballot or whatever, these are the Lindsay Clancy's of the world. These are the women that support Lindsay Clancy and want to be like Lindsay Clancy. This woman right here. 00:31:17 Speaker 1: Put a shirt on, you freaking dork. And I know if you're listening on podcast, you can't. What are you doing? Look at this girl's shirt. 00:31:26 Speaker 6: This girl's wearing a shirt of another woman that has her face ripped off. 00:31:30 Speaker 1: All right. Let's just go through the clips. Three. Maybe this is it. Three. 00:31:35 Speaker 10: Just a friendly reminder that you do not need to tell your husband who you voted for for president. He cannot and will not find out who you voted for unless you tell him. No matter what he says, he cannot and will not find out who you voted for unless you tell him. You do not need to tell your husband who you voted for for president. It is your vote. 00:32:00 Speaker 1: Guaranteed she's not married. If she ever was, she's definitely divorced now. I did not see a ring on that. 00:32:08 Speaker 5: What's weird about this is they're just referring to the system that we already have. That's literally the secret ballot. That's how that works. But what's subversive about this is the fact that this is, again, this is part of the anti-male psyop that we see being run through fifth-wave feminism, whether it's TikTok. 00:32:27 Speaker 1: Whether it's movies. 00:32:29 Speaker 5: Whether it's Hollywood, whether it's big culture, Netflix, et cetera, which, by the way, Netflix is apparently doing a two-year, they've done a two-year video documentary on the Cornell 7 and the accuser, and that's the reason that she actually put out these new accusations. It's crazy. And so it's all about dividing men and women and having women get this special status in society and having men as the quote-unquote oppressive people gender then they need to get put down in a Marxist framework and so what they're saying is like you should lie to your husband you should deny your husband the truth about what's going on under his household and it's the same kind of stuff that's meant to drive a wedge between the wife and the husband and to drive a wedge in. 00:33:17 Speaker 1: Families they're telling women that the husband is the villain like your husband that you're supposed to love is bone of my bone flesh of my flesh whatever like the two become one That's actually the woman that's bone of my bone, flesh of my flesh. But you get the point. They're two become one. And that he's supposed to biblically lay down his life for you and serve you. But he's actually the villain of the story. By the way, this clip is with the crazy shirt of Sot 7. So let's go ahead and play it. Sot 7. Leave your husband. 00:33:46 Speaker 4: Leave, leave, leave your husband. 00:33:48 Speaker 1: Go for a really long walk. 00:33:54 Speaker 4: Is that like AI-generated music or something? Like, make a Blink-182 song saying to dump your husband. 00:34:00 Speaker 1: And the caption read, women who say I can't tell my husband I voted for her. That I voted for her. 00:34:07 Speaker 4: Ultimately, what's interesting about this long-term to me is this stuff is super suicidal and destructive and wrecking society, but it's also a massive filtering mechanism. We are going through this great filter of if you are A mentally ill libtard, you will not marry, you will not reproduce, you will not exist in subsequent generations. 00:34:27 Speaker 1: It's just going to take total fertility rates of like 1.13 to get there. 00:34:30 Speaker 4: Yeah, but there will be people who still show up for the future, and they will continue to show up for the future. And that's what will matter in the long term. 00:34:37 Speaker 1: It's like... Yeah. 00:34:39 Speaker 4: We're basically sifting insane mentally psychotic libs just out of the gene pool. 00:34:46 Speaker 1: And so. 00:34:47 Speaker 4: Like, will the birth rate still be 1.5 if we've selected where the only people who had kids are normal, well-adjusted families that have healthy marriages? 00:34:54 Speaker 1: Well, the only people having kids right now are people that go to church. 00:34:57 Speaker 3: Pretty much. 00:34:58 Speaker 1: Pretty much. 00:34:59 Speaker 4: People who go to church, people who are conservative-ish overall. 00:35:03 Speaker 1: Yeah. We're going to outbreed them, folks. That's the thought. 00:35:06 Speaker 4: I mean, one thing that people always say, it's like, oh, just like, poor people have kids. 00:35:10 Speaker 3: Actually, not true anymore. Having kids is an upper-middle class thing to me. 00:35:14 Speaker 1: They are the ones that I have kids. What's your caveat? 00:35:16 Speaker 5: So my caveat on all this is this is why the libs have taken over culture. 00:35:21 Speaker 1: This is why the libs have taken over schools. 00:35:23 Speaker 5: This is why the libs have taken over every form of institution out there and specifically why they run so many of these operations targeting children. Everything from libraries to parks and recreation to everything out to every form of kids content out there. So unless conservatives actually try to take over culture I mean you've got Miss Rachel out there who's like the number one YouTuber for kids who's pushing stuff on babies she is pushing trans culture on and non-binary types on babies so conservatives really need to wake up because this idea like oh we're just going to breed them like outbreed them yes and no because they are reproducing and by other means by brainwashing your children at extremely early ages. 00:36:10 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah disappointing frustrating There's like a few more of these. Do we want to play them or are we already... I mean, all we have to do is fight back. I feel like we should get... I don't know. 00:36:18 Speaker 5: If we just decide to actually fight back, we would win. 00:36:22 Speaker 1: All right. Well, maybe these are motivating you to fight back. Stop four. And it's... Girls, it's okay to vote for who you really want and know... I don't know. Another.... 00:36:41 Speaker 6: And no will provide the most benefit to your and your kid's future. Your husband does not have to know who you voted for. We have laws protecting your right to vote for who you want. 00:36:53 Speaker 1: I bet she's not even married. I don't even think she likes men. That's what I look at that. 00:36:59 Speaker 6: Your diva is a lie to your husband. 00:37:03 Speaker 1: I hate these women. Jack, maybe this will be a thought crime for you. According to the New York Post, this is number eight if you want to throw it up, women want emotionally available men according to a new study. Ditching the alpha males. Women are ditching. 00:37:21 Speaker 4: Alpha males for more emotionally available partners research. 00:37:25 Speaker 5: Obviously not. 00:37:28 Speaker 1: Partners. 00:37:28 Speaker 4: Is this a literally survey where they just went to women and said, who do you consider it more... who do you want to date more in this answer that will be public and heard by another person? 00:37:39 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's probably that. I just want someone who's available. Yeah. 00:37:44 Speaker 5: Women will say that if you ask them, but if you actually track the behavior, it's completely different. If you actually track the behavior and you see, um, psycho math has a, you know, a whole series about this on YouTube where he talks about how just based, based on it's psycho math. Now we don't dead name. And that, uh, where he talks about how if you go off of just modern dating trends, it's that women all view themselves as 10s and they all throw themselves at 9s and 10s at the dating pool and then throw away anyone or they discard anyone who's like, oh, you're not over six foot. Oh, you don't make six figures. So we're going to discard you and you get the situation where there's hypergamy where, okay, if that were true, are all those 9s and 10s emotionally available? No, they're the ones with inboxes absolutely full. If you actually go out there right now You see this all across Instagram. You see this all across all of social media because all these girls in their twenties, you know, up to, you know, up to really 30, they're just getting DM by people constantly. And it's not, it's not like, Oh, you know, let's go out for a date. It's like, Hey, I'll fly you to Miami. Hey, I'll fly you to, to the French Riviera. Hey, I'll fly here. Come out on my, on my jet, whatever it is. And they're all getting hit up by this constantly. So no, that's not emotionally available. What they want eventually after they've ridden the carousel for a little while, what they want to do is, quote unquote, settle down with an emotionally available, a.k.a. beta male that they can walk all over like the women in the videos before so they can still be the bosses. And by the way, women are more likely to cheat on the emotionally available beta male than they would an alpha. 00:39:28 Speaker 1: I totally believe that. Base jackpot. 00:39:30 Speaker 6: Take. There's this guy on X who literally will make like AI dating. 00:39:35 Speaker 1: Have you seen this guy's AI dating. 00:39:37 Speaker 6: Profiles of like, he calls it like my giga Chad and my like loser loner Chad. 00:39:44 Speaker 1: And they're the. 00:39:45 Speaker 6: Exact same like guy, AI guy that he made. But one, you know, doesn't have a job and he kind of just sleeps on couches and one super successful and like has all this money. And he like exposes women that he like messages. And the guy that doesn't have a job lives on couches and is basically like, I'm looking for a woman that can, you know, take care of me. And I'm looking for a boss, babe. He gets so many responses from them. And the guy that's successful and acting as though he's giga-chat alpha male, they don't want anything to do with him. But wait, do they look different or something? No, they look the exact same. They're the exact same guy. 00:40:24 Speaker 4: So why is the guy who has a boat or whatever failing? I feel like that goes against what you'd expect. 00:40:31 Speaker 6: No, because he's like an alpha male that can provide. And every time he's messaging, he's like, I just want to provide for my wife that can be a great wife and a great mom. 00:40:40 Speaker 1: And the other guy's like, I'm just looking. 00:40:42 Speaker 6: For a woman that can love me and I can crash at her place and I'll take care of the kids. 00:40:47 Speaker 1: It's like the inverse. So that proves the article. 00:40:50 Speaker 3: I guess that says they're right. It sounds like they do. 00:40:52 Speaker 1: I would have said I think this article is total garbage. Yeah, this. 00:40:55 Speaker 4: Like, this is, like, women saying... I almost wonder if he's bad at... I wonder if he's bad at sending messages. Like, if he's trying to... If the alpha guy is coming off really creepy or something. 00:41:04 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, like... Yeah, here's what's interesting. So, if you. 00:41:08 Speaker 4: Maybe the alpha guy needs to be much more, like, scary. Because if you've seen the women's fiction market, like, he's got to just be like, I just want a woman that I can trap in my home and not allow to leave. 00:41:18 Speaker 1: Like, then. 00:41:20 Speaker 3: Women's fiction implies they'd be really into this. 00:41:22 Speaker 1: I'm just going to say. Throw up 52, though. The majority of women believe that dating an alpha male leads to a one-sided relationship. Additionally, they also agree that alpha males are only attractive in fiction. Which they read. I didn't even read that. 00:41:36 Speaker 3: In the books they read. 00:41:37 Speaker 4: I didn't even read that. Is there a huge divergence in what men find appealing in fiction versus real life? 00:41:46 Speaker 1: I guess. 00:41:46 Speaker 4: They would like cartoonishly attractive women, but I feel like their behavior would match onto what they'd like in women in real life. 00:41:55 Speaker 1: Maybe? 00:41:56 Speaker 5: Like in movies or whatever? Blake, I think what you're referring to is the hot crazy matrix. 00:42:02 Speaker 1: A little. 00:42:02 Speaker 4: I guess you could have crazy women in fiction, and they don't include the part where they threaten to stab you to death because they had a dream. 00:42:11 Speaker 1: Men like women that are doe-eyed and virtuous. 00:42:14 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think men actually like the damsel. They like the princess you have to. 00:42:18 Speaker 1: Wrestle from the tower or whatever. 00:42:19 Speaker 5: No, but you also have your fun zone, right? You have your fun zone where people, as they refer to it in the piece, they call that But you don't want to go too high crazy because that's where you get your strippers, your hairdressers, redheads, girls named Tiffany. That's where you get the tire slashed. You come home to the bunny in the pot. 00:42:42 Speaker 1: And all your clothes out on the driveway. That's where you got to be careful. 00:42:46 Speaker 5: So just bear in mind. And by the way, like any barracks, you know, any barracks, babe, like especially in the military, if you get those girls that become like the barracks rat and they just kind of like jump from like. 00:42:58 Speaker 1: Jane Doe. It's Jane Doe. She's like, you know. 00:43:01 Speaker 5: I mean, kind of, yeah. 00:43:03 Speaker 1: She goes and does drugs with a bunch of people. Camp followers. She'll take you to court the next day or criminal. 00:43:09 Speaker 5: Or stab you. Don't name your daughters Tiffany. Also, like, sorry to all Tiffany's out there. Like, you know, positive. 00:43:17 Speaker 1: What do they call that? Positive determinism or something. Nominative determinism. I know Tiffany that's kind of trouble, but she's very sweet. but it would fit. You know what's funny, though, Jack, is that you included in your grouping hairdressers and strippers. I think that's going. 00:43:37 Speaker 5: Too far, right? That's going too far. No, I'm quoting the original video. 00:43:42 Speaker 1: That's the original video. He's quoting. I know some nice hairdressers. There's a nice hairdresser. He's friends with my wife. Anyways. Okay. Speaking of... Speaking of thought crime, Jack, this is your thought crime, right? 00:43:56 Speaker 5: Hey, it's thought crime, right? 00:43:57 Speaker 1: We're on thought crime, right? This is your thought crime. You don't want to go up there. 00:43:59 Speaker 5: You don't want to go up there. 00:44:00 Speaker 1: All right, let's go. We're going to go here. And I just want to say at the outset, I really like Allie Beth Stuckey. She's a friend of the show, but she got herself into some hot water, some controversy, which is part of the gig as a content. No, who cares? 00:44:12 Speaker 4: No, I don't care what she says. We should be grateful to her for offering us a take that we can debate. 00:44:17 Speaker 1: Exactly. 00:44:18 Speaker 3: Which she said... Horror movies are bad. 00:44:21 Speaker 1: For Christians. 00:44:21 Speaker 3: For Christians. 00:44:22 Speaker 4: It doesn't put you in a good spiritual space. 00:44:25 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:44:26 Speaker 4: And I think a lot of people generally disagreed with her. But are they disagreeing for the right reasons? 00:44:31 Speaker 5: No, I agree with her. 00:44:32 Speaker 4: I think you can say horror movies, a lot of horror movies are Christian. But I think a lot of them, it's a very paper-thin veneer. 00:44:37 Speaker 1: Oh, it's definitely, there's two types of horror. There's stuff that talks about, like, the exorcism of Emily Rose. So this is like our Halloween segment of the week. Here you go. Enjoy, folks. 00:44:51 Speaker 5: Let's go. 00:44:54 Speaker 1: Exorcism of Emily Rose is actually a theologically accurate representation of potential demonic possession, which is based on a true story, and it was directed by a Christian. So it was the exorcist. That, to me, is one of the proof positive points of the existence of God is the reality of evil, right? And so horror films are titillating, they're entertaining sometimes, but they expose the existence of evil, and I think, you know, pain and horror and fear can be God's megaphone to rouse a deaf and dying world. So that's my take. Jack? 00:45:35 Speaker 5: 100%. They are warnings against the demonic. They are warnings against what happens if you dabble with these forces. They are warnings... that evil is real, that Satan is real, that demons are real. And if you break one of these, and that natural law is real too, even on a more political standpoint that, or I should say a philosophical standpoint, that natural law is real, that if you violate natural law, there will be penalties for that. And as such, like I got into it on Twitter earlier today because I said that I let my kids watch horror movies, within reason, not like all like gory stuff, But I let my kids watch horror movies, but I don't let my kids watch Star Wars. And people were saying, why? And I said, oh, well, because horror movies have clear morality in them, and Star Wars does not. 00:46:25 Speaker 1: Well, but there are two types of horrors. I didn't really finish my thought. That's what I'm. 00:46:29 Speaker 5: Saying, not the gory, like the gory, like the gore porn. 00:46:32 Speaker 4: The gore porn, absolutely not. I think there's more than two points. So as an example, actually, to throw out a controversial one, maybe as. 00:46:39 Speaker 1: An example, like. 00:46:42 Speaker 4: Actually, I'm looking at a list of various types that we have. Let's do a safe example, because this is a cinematic classic. 00:46:47 Speaker 3: Jaws. 00:46:48 Speaker 4: Jaws is not really meaningfully a Christian film in any way. 00:46:52 Speaker 1: No, but it doesn't bother me. 00:46:53 Speaker 4: And it's a film, it's scary, and a child dies in Jaws in a pretty gruesome way that's very scary if you're a kid. 00:47:00 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:47:01 Speaker 3: And you might even argue it's a little, I don't know. 00:47:03 Speaker 4: Is that a thriller or horror, and is there a difference? 00:47:09 Speaker 1: I feel it's probably a spectrum to some degree. 00:47:11 Speaker 4: I think most people would say Jaws is. 00:47:16 Speaker 4: Do you describe Jaws as scary? I think most people would describe Jaws as scary. To me, that's like a horror movie. 00:47:20 Speaker 5: Yeah, but horror movies is a specific genre, and I don't know that Jaws necessarily sticks itself to that genre. 00:47:28 Speaker 1: Ask Grok. I would say it's more of a. 00:47:33 Speaker 4: I don't know. Google says Jaws is widely considered a horror film. 00:47:40 Speaker 1: I'll keep it more open. What genre is the film Jaws? Asking Grok. We'll see what the consensus here is. But I think most people describe it as a horror film. 00:47:53 Speaker 3: I would think of it as a horror film, personally. 00:47:55 Speaker 5: It's primarily a thriller and horror film. It's not supernatural in any way. It's not necessarily a slasher film. It has a lot of horror elements, to be sure. but I wouldn't say that it pigeonholes itself in the horror genre the way that. 00:48:11 Speaker 1: Most horror movies do. 00:48:11 Speaker 4: I just don't think you need supernatural elements to be a horror film. 00:48:14 Speaker 3: That's just a type of horror film. 00:48:17 Speaker 1: Well, that's why I said horror slasher. You could have sci-fi horror. Supernatural horror slasher. Slasher films don't have to be. Like Chainsaw Massacre. 00:48:29 Speaker 4: Just normal serial killer movies. Those are very terrifying. Psycho is a horror movie. That's just about a mentally ill guy. 00:48:36 Speaker 5: But again, it's more of a, I guess you could say creature feature, but again, it's a natural creature. Psycho, of course, by the way, is an LGBT movie. I just want to make sure that everyone understands that. That Psycho is, of course, an LGBT movie. Just putting that out there. 00:48:54 Speaker 1: I didn't know that. Why? Because it turns out the guy is cross-dressing. Have you watched it? He's cross-dressing as his mom. I don't think I actually have. 00:48:58 Speaker 4: Today he'd be on Hormones and he would just be identifying Luna instead. 00:49:01 Speaker 1: Because he's a cross-dresser. By the way, Dylan, thank you. $ 5 donation. No matter the culture, vote. Vote. 00:49:05 Speaker 5: Yes. 00:49:06 Speaker 1: Sorry. Getting crosstalked. 00:49:06 Speaker 5: What'd you say, Jack? 00:49:07 Speaker 1: Oh, I said because Norman, you know, in the climax we find that Norman Bates' mother.... 00:49:20 Speaker 5: Is actually dead and he's been cross-dressing as her to become the villain. But in those. 00:49:25 Speaker 1: Days we would just call it a cross-dresser. We'd call him Light in the Lofos. 00:49:32 Speaker 5: Hitchcock understood. Hitchcock totally understood that the connection between distorted That's true. 00:49:44 Speaker 1: I want to tell you about a new movie from Angel called Drummer Boy. And even better, I'm going to tell you how you can get two complimentary tickets to see it in theaters. Drummer Boy hits theaters November 6th. And if you enjoyed a movie like The Greatest Showman, you're going to want to put this one on your radar. I'm telling you, it's big, uplifting musical with an emotional story incredible performances, and original music from King & Country. 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I do think that when Allie said this, I was kind of bummed to see how many people just jumped on her case and immediately. 00:51:12 Speaker 1: Were just calling her stupid. 00:51:13 Speaker 6: A lot of the times when Christians refer to not watching horror movies, They'll cite this like scripture in Ephesians about not setting your eyes upon unfruitful works of darkness, I think is the verse. But I also find that a lot of the Christians that will say this and are like really worked up over being like absolutely no horror movies will then go and watch a movie with this like disgusting, debaucherous sex scene in it. 00:51:41 Speaker 1: And they're like, but that's okay. You know, like nudity in this scene is okay. Like this, yeah. 00:51:48 Speaker 5: No, I was going to say that my brother made that point out as well, and he went kind of viral for saying it because he said, well, what about these romance movies that have all this sex stuff in them, and that's totally fine? 00:52:00 Speaker 6: Yeah, that's unfruitful works of darkness. 00:52:05 Speaker 1: That's what that is. I would also add that watching something that is evil is not overtly evil. I mean, evil is in the Bible. 00:52:13 Speaker 6: There's stuff that's very scary in the Bible that when you're reading it, you're kind of like, that's kind of creepy. You know, like demons, a possessed man, like living basically in a graveyard and sending the demons into the swine that go off the hill. Or, you know, I think Saul talks to this like a medium at one point, like in the Bible. And even Samuel was like super freaked out by the whole situation. Like this happens in the Bible. You know, it's not that it's overtly evil, but I do think that There are some horror movies where it is legitimately horrible and evil, and that as Christians, there's times that we need to use our judgment and discernment to kind of ask ourselves, is this profitable for me to go and watch this right now? In Allie Beth's defense, I think that's been the trend with horror movies these days. When I think of really big horror films that get a lot of press, they are darker, more nihilistic, more pagan. Examples I can think of, I know Hereditary is one a lot of people got into. It's a very violent movie. It's a very grim movie. 00:53:18 Speaker 1: In its conclusion. 00:53:19 Speaker 4: It's like Satan worshippers win and worship their Satan god. Midsommar, which I think might be the same director, I can't remember, but a pagan festival in Sweden. It's a literally pagan film. It's about a bunch of people doing a pagan religious ritual. And you can say, well, yeah, it acknowledges pagan stuff really exists, but I think you probably need a Christian... You need, like, a Christian intrusion of some point, of some kind. 00:53:44 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:53:44 Speaker 3: Otherwise, you're just basically making a pagan film. 00:53:46 Speaker 1: That's compelling to me. 00:53:47 Speaker 4: If I want one as a horror movie that felt to me like you could make a very Christian defense of it, I really liked The Witch. 00:53:56 Speaker 3: Have you seen that one? 00:53:57 Speaker 1: Mm-mm. 00:53:58 Speaker 3: That's about a decade ago. It's by the same guy, Eggers, who did The Northman. 00:54:02 Speaker 1: Eggers, yeah. 00:54:03 Speaker 4: What's cool about that one is you can watch it, and, like, I felt... a literal Puritan could have written the movie. It presents witchcraft exactly the way the Puritans warned witchcraft could work. 00:54:14 Speaker 1: Let's go through some of these B-rolls that we have of different films, and you guys say, does this get your discernment as a Christian, does it get you concerned, or is it okay to you? So let's go to the Omen trailer. Oh, wait, wait. Actually, do nine. This is The Exorcist Headspin, 1973. Show the B-roll here. Does this... Does this... Well, see, you got the priest. I would say this. I have no problem with this. 00:54:45 Speaker 4: I mean, The Exorcist is the example everyone goes to as a horror film that has real religious elements to it. 00:54:51 Speaker 1: It's basically the priests are real. 00:54:53 Speaker 3: The demons are real. 00:54:54 Speaker 1: I actually know somebody who worked on The Omen. Next one. Yeah, number 10. Number 10. I know somebody that worked on The Omen, and I think that it was Christian. So I'm pretty sure this would be fine. 00:55:05 Speaker 4: So the omen is about like a child antichrist. Like Damien will grow up to be the antichrist of Revelation is the concept of it, is my understanding. 00:55:15 Speaker 1: Rosemary's Baby. I actually don't know about what this one is. Rosemary's Baby. 00:55:19 Speaker 4: That's by Roman Polanski who later became known for other things. 00:55:22 Speaker 1: For pedophilia, right? 00:55:23 Speaker 5: Indeed, he did. 00:55:24 Speaker 4: What's spooky about it is a woman who is impregnated basically by Satan and she starts noticing like there's all these people who take a strange interest in her. And the twist at the end is she basically sees this satanic religious gathering. 00:55:37 Speaker 1: Worshiping her baby. 00:55:38 Speaker 4: And you don't see the baby, but she looks into the crib, and then she's like, what have you done to him? What have you done to his eyes? And they're like, he has his father's eyes. And at the end, they're like, hail Satan. It's a little bit corny in elements, too. 00:55:51 Speaker 1: Well, it's 1968. 00:55:52 Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's one where I think it's an interesting borderline thing, because does it fit with Christian religious tropes? yes, it's saying the devil is real, the devil can have a human with a woman who could be the Antichrist, and at the end they're saying, hail Satan. On the other hand, there's not really any implicit idea that, oh, God is going to come in and fix this, Christ will fix this. It ends with the Satanists all triumphant. 00:56:18 Speaker 1: Even there, I would say, it instills a fear of Satan, because it's terrifying. And I think that's probably fine with me. But I don't know. Um, how about this silence of the lamps? I don't even know if I include this in like the classic genre here. So 12, this is more. 00:56:34 Speaker 4: Of the, like the, this is actually a really good example of the horror thriller difference. Like I will say my dad like refused to watch this. He like couldn't watch movies with Anthony Hopkins in it because he was too creeped out by Anthony Hopkins in this movie. 00:56:50 Speaker 1: Man, that's a great film. It is. 00:56:51 Speaker 4: Did you know, I think it's the, I think it's the only time a film's won all five of the big awards or, It was the first time it did, so it got actor, actress, picture director, screenplay. 00:57:01 Speaker 5: By the way, another film where, not Hannibal Lecter, but the other killer, Buffalo. 00:57:08 Speaker 1: Bill, is... That's right. A cross-dresser. He's a transgender. Oh, interesting. 00:57:15 Speaker 4: He wants to make a woman. He's killing women to make a woman's suit. 00:57:18 Speaker 1: All right, so I'm good with that. The Conjuring trailer, this is... I don't know this movie. 00:57:25 Speaker 3: I know nothing about this movie. 00:57:27 Speaker 5: 100% Christian. 00:57:28 Speaker 1: The whole series is Christian. Number 13. I don't know the background of The Conjuring, though. You never saw Conjuring? I haven't seen any of these movies. 00:57:38 Speaker 5: Do you even live in the world, bro? 00:57:42 Speaker 1: I haven't seen a single one of these, guys. 00:57:45 Speaker 10: Yeah. 00:57:46 Speaker 1: I haven't seen a ton of them, actually. 00:57:47 Speaker 4: Mikey, you haven't even seen the Elizabeth Holmes movie with me yet. 00:57:51 Speaker 1: I'm really sad. What's funny is that my wife. 00:57:55 Speaker 5: I really want to watch the Elizabeth Holmes movie. 00:57:57 Speaker 1: Oh, wait, I have seen this one. And that is definitely a horror movie. I have seen this. Okay. Yeah, the Warrens. They're both Catholic. We should do a thought crime on Elizabeth Holmes. Yeah, how about. 00:58:07 Speaker 4: This is an interesting one. I'm throwing this out here. I'm skipping a few ahead. 00:58:10 Speaker 1: All right, Mikey. Let's do. 00:58:12 Speaker 4: the nightmare on Elm street, either of them, you can do 15 and 16. This is one that stands out to me because they'll do this with slashers where slashers will often have a very puritanical streak to them. Like famously the, the stereotype is the only girl who doesn't have sex with someone is the one who survives at the end and everyone else gets stabbed or whatever, which you. 00:58:33 Speaker 1: Can say, Oh, that's conservative. That's Christian. 00:58:36 Speaker 4: But on the other hand, this is fundamentally a trashy movie. It's like an exploitation flick. It's, It's the equivalent of when you maybe buy a copy of a tabloid magazine, like the Daily Mail, and you're just like, oh, it's so disgusting what these people are doing. I can't wait to read all about what these people are doing so I can be so disgusted by their misbehavior. There's a bit of that going on with slasher movies. They are the lowest common denominator of film. 00:59:03 Speaker 1: Yeah, I haven't seen these ones. 00:59:05 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's Freddy Krueger at the pool party. So they must be dreaming in the pool party or... maybe in 2 he could go into the real world but it always was he was just in your nightmares that he would stab you there he goes oh slashed yeah he's going to town alright what about Dracula now we're getting to 17 Dracula is. 00:59:25 Speaker 5: Definitely Christian 100% Christian Dracula rocks bro. 00:59:30 Speaker 1: Dracula's great. One name stands out. I just read The Epitome of Evil. Oh, that's great. 00:59:34 Speaker 5: So if you read– yeah, I was just going to say that if you read the novel, it's very clear that Bram Stoker is using a lot of Catholic theology in Dracula and then inverts it, like drinking the blood of Jesus versus drinking the blood of the living for everlasting unlife versus everlasting life. The crucifixes, obviously, and they also make it clear in the book. 00:59:58 Speaker 4: The funniest thing about Dracula is OG Dracula has this very strong streak of, like, we're in modern times because we're in cutting-edge London at the turn of the 19th century. We have railroads and telegraphs and blood transfusions, all this modern tech. 01:00:13 Speaker 1: And, you know, it's Protestant. 01:00:14 Speaker 4: It's hyper-Protestant Britain. We need to go back to the old ways. So they have to bring in this Catholic guy. 01:00:19 Speaker 1: Who can they like? Oh, you guys are dealing with a vampire. We have to deal with this. 01:00:22 Speaker 4: Trad horror of untold abominations from Eastern Europe. 01:00:26 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's funny. What's with the garlic in Dracula? 01:00:30 Speaker 4: I think that's just old folk belief. Medieval folk monster belief that garlic is. 01:00:35 Speaker 1: Because it has a strong smell. Jack is 100% right. 01:00:39 Speaker 5: It's that your blood would not taste as good or something. 01:00:42 Speaker 1: You can use it for dogs, for example. 01:00:45 Speaker 3: There's a lot of old beliefs about that. 01:00:47 Speaker 4: I know that there used to be a thing that the mafia would do. They called it the Sicilian death recipe, where if they shot someone, they would rub the bullets in garlic because they thought it would cause gangrene. I think there's a lot of weird garlic-related beliefs out there. 01:01:00 Speaker 1: I'll tell you, garlic's good for you. You eat a lot of garlic... I'm like buzzing at night if I have a meal with a lot of garlic. I have all this energy. I'm a big fan of garlic. I love garlic. 01:01:12 Speaker 5: No, I was going to say in the novel, Mikey, correct me if I'm wrong, but in the novel, isn't it pretty clear that Dracula's family has made a pact with Satan? 01:01:23 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. 01:01:24 Speaker 6: And like in battling him, you need to bring like sacrament. You have to bring the cross. You have to bring all these things. 01:01:29 Speaker 1: Yeah. 01:01:30 Speaker 4: I don't remember the pack of Satan in Dracula, the novel there definitely is like in Nosferatu. 01:01:34 Speaker 1: That's, that's a part of it as an example. Like that movie is pretty heady. Well, I, we, we have Nosferatu, but we also have Bram Stoker's Dracula. 01:01:43 Speaker 4: There's so many good, 1992 Dracula is a good one. 01:01:45 Speaker 1: Well, let's see, but this, this goes to our point though, that like stuff that's rooted in more Christian elements tends to be, it tends to resonate. 01:01:53 Speaker 4: The only problem with the 1992 Dracula, I believe that's the one that has Keanu Reeves in it, or he says it, Budapest. 01:02:00 Speaker 1: Oh, wow. Yeah. Remember when George W. Bush said, Botswana, Botswana. 01:02:07 Speaker 5: Yeah. 01:02:07 Speaker 1: All right. Um, Bram Stoker's 1992 one was, I think, yeah, this one. Oh, I forgot she was in it. Oh, that's a good... I kind of want to watch that again, to be honest. All right. Let's look. Paranormal Activity 20. It's not 20. I don't even know if I remember this. 01:02:26 Speaker 3: Well, we have someone. 01:02:27 Speaker 4: Sergeant T1978 is calling out Jack. He says, Jack, you are lost. Dracula has nothing to do with Christianity. 01:02:35 Speaker 1: Oh, jeez. 01:02:37 Speaker 4: They say they're horrified. Okay, that's a very strong disagreement. Sergeant, if you can elaborate that in a comment, I want to engage with that. I mean, I don't think Dracula the Count is Christian, but I think the story has a lot of. 01:02:50 Speaker 3: I think it has a lot of Christian. 01:02:51 Speaker 1: Elements to it. I think when you're using darkness to highlight the light, to highlight the reality of good and evil, I'm okay with it. 01:02:59 Speaker 4: I guess what I would say is, to me, a Christian film... For a horror film to be compatible with Christianity... You have to watch it and say, could this story happen in a universe where Christianity is true? And of Dracula, I think I could say that in the sense that he's a count. He might have these strange powers, but he is defeated by the good. And he's ultimately subservient to the good in the way that they can ward him off in ways. Godly things have power over him. 01:03:30 Speaker 1: Yeah. 01:03:30 Speaker 4: And you could quibble with that because some people would say anything that shows magic is not okay because actually only God can do miracles, not Satan. 01:03:37 Speaker 3: People have different points of view on that. 01:03:39 Speaker 1: All right. So here's a bit trickier one. Here's a bit trickier one. Blair Witch Project from 1999. Now, this one I've watched, and it was very terrifying to me when it came out. Did you see it in theaters? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I saw it where it's all on the camcorder, and they're out in the woods and all this stuff. 1994 three students filmmakers entered the woods wow yeah you guys I haven't seen any of these this one freaked me out and then they vanished but then they found their is this. 01:04:06 Speaker 4: Film scary once you know it's not real because part of it was that people thought this was real like they really had disappeared. 01:04:12 Speaker 5: Yeah no yeah when that was marketed they really did kind of make it out like it might be real. 01:04:19 Speaker 1: Well the point is it was a really freaky movie but it doesn't really point to anything redemptive it's just dark. 01:04:24 Speaker 4: Yeah they just go into the woods and they get scared and they die You don't need to be redemptive. 01:04:29 Speaker 5: It's also like, don't mess around with the occult. 01:04:33 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. 01:04:35 Speaker 10: Okay. 01:04:35 Speaker 1: That's a good take. I'm very compelled by that. How about this one? This is written by Stephen King, which should make you very suspect right from the jump. And that is it. 01:04:45 Speaker 7: It. 01:04:45 Speaker 1: There's nothing Christian about it. That it will have a dumb ending. Yeah. 22. Throw up 22. 01:04:49 Speaker 6: This is it. 01:04:49 Speaker 5: It. 01:04:54 Speaker 1: Which is about a crazed clown that's just like really freaky and terrorizes children. 01:04:58 Speaker 3: That's only one form it takes. 01:04:59 Speaker 1: It's ultimately like some interstellar demon monster thing. Yeah, which is very much not Christian. And it terrorizes children. And I don't know. Maybe this is more what Ali was talking about. You know what I mean? So, yeah, these kids go missing. I don't know. This one, Jack, you seem to be the authority on this. What do you think? 01:05:22 Speaker 5: I mean, now, again, there is gore. There are child deaths in that. The novel also famously includes a child sex scene written by Stephen King, who is disgusting for having written that. And, of course, the movies never adapt that. But at the same time, it is one of those things where it's like if you view it as a warning of evil, then you can certainly view it as that. 01:05:45 Speaker 1: It is a warning of evil. 01:05:46 Speaker 5: It's a warning against sticking your hand in the sewers. 01:05:50 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. I think, uh, yeah. All right. Friday the 13th is the last one we have. 01:05:57 Speaker 10: 23. 01:05:57 Speaker 1: Throw it up. Uh, I can't remember the, the, this is like, what year is this? 01:06:04 Speaker 3: Is it Friday the 13th or Scream? 01:06:06 Speaker 1: It says Friday the, it said Scream. 01:06:08 Speaker 4: On the screen, but, uh, Friday the, I mean, Friday the 13th, that's, that's Jason. 01:06:12 Speaker 1: Like, hockey mask guy. 01:06:15 Speaker 4: Uh, I mean, that's again, getting back to, excuse me, national movies, like, I feel there's something pretty exploitative in those films. 01:06:23 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not Jason in the original one. It's his mom. 01:06:26 Speaker 5: Thank you. 01:06:28 Speaker 4: People get all anal about that, but ultimately it's all the later ones that are way more famous. So yeah, those are the later ones. Yeah, it's just like it's a guy who goes around and kills people. It's a slasher film. I think when people watch that, they like gore. They like the titillation. 01:06:43 Speaker 1: So is that bad? 01:06:44 Speaker 4: I think there's an argument that that's bad. Certainly if you wallow in it. A thing that I have noticed, I will say this, those films in the 80s are comparatively more tame. Slasher films and those kind of exploitative violence films, like a lot of things, they've gotten this aspect where people are trying to get a bigger and bigger rush. And I think that's a red flag. So now when people make new big gore-tastic horror films, like the Terrifier films, those have made a lot of money. Those films are really disgusting. Really, really disgusting. 01:07:23 Speaker 1: So in Defense of Alley, Stucky, do you think that the permeation of this stuff in our culture is leading to more school shootings, leading to more glorification of death and of violence in real life? For example, could you draw a direct parallel? 01:07:40 Speaker 2: I mean. 01:07:41 Speaker 1: I hate to go there, but we spent our whole first hour on it this morning, of all these wicked young students on college campuses glorifying the death of Charlie and the murder of Charlie. I mean, could you draw a direct line of the poison that's going in the culture of these films and the behavior we're seeing? 01:07:58 Speaker 4: It'd be hard, but I would say, I think if you, to give Ali some credit, I think if you were to watch a lot of that gore slop, I think we're calling it in the thing, if you were to watch just a lot of Really wantonly violent films that don't have a higher purpose to it. You're basically just watching it for the titillation. That will harm you over time. 01:08:20 Speaker 1: I think, yes. And here's the other thing I would say. We all have this like revulsion to if we see a young kid on Halloween dressed up in like a demonic or an evil costume as opposed to being a pirate or a Marvel character or a pirate, you know, like or a princess outfit. There is a reason that we viscerally react negatively to that, at least if you still have your traditional values intact, because like we know it's not quite right especially like it's one thing if you're an adult you come in like and you're just like you know uh jason and you got the hockey mask but it's weird to see it would be weird to see a young kid with like blood and gore and guts in. 01:09:01 Speaker 4: A hockey okay i hold on i have to call out someone hank skywalker says maximum overdrive is a scary movie about a big rig no that is the least scary movie of all time so it's totally okay to watch maximum overdrive because that movie. 01:09:15 Speaker 3: Is Is really dumb. 01:09:17 Speaker 1: Is it just candy? 01:09:18 Speaker 4: It's the only film directed by Stephen King. So it's based on a short story of him that I can't remember the name of. I think it was called, like, Truck Stop or something. Or I-88, something like that. But it's about, for no reason, all vehicles of whatever type become sentient and start trying to kill people. So, like, cars run people over, lawnmowers chase after people and try to, like, run them down. 01:09:39 Speaker 1: And then, yeah, big rig trucks. 01:09:41 Speaker 4: And these people are under siege in a gas station. 01:09:43 Speaker 3: Surrounded by these. 01:09:46 Speaker 4: big 18 wheelers that are circling it and killing it when he tries to leave. 01:09:49 Speaker 1: This is, this explains a lot about you actually, Blake. 01:09:52 Speaker 5: Uh, I, I watch, I watch a ton of horror. Um, I watch usually, so, so my wife doesn't like horror. Tyne doesn't like it. So typically when I'm on flights without her, if I'm like someone, some trip or what I'll do is I'll like, I'll like stock up my horror movies so that if I'm on a flight without her and I don't have a book to read, then, uh, you know, I'm not in the middle of reading a book of a big ebook guy. That that's usually when I load up all my horror movies. So I don't have any actually right now that are in the hopper because like this this year actually sucks for horror. I don't really see much out there that I'm interested in in terms of movies that are coming out, even though there are more horror movies coming out now than ever. That unless you count the Elizabeth Holmes movie as horror, that, you know, it's one of those things. 01:10:40 Speaker 1: No, I will say this, though. I will say this. 01:10:42 Speaker 5: If you are someone who is more susceptible to that kind of stuff and you find yourself being impressionable, then yeah, maybe you should turn it off. Maybe it's not for you. Or if you just don't like it, I think that's totally fine. 01:10:58 Speaker 1: My wife used to be really into horror films when we first started dating and got married. And so, like, I've seen a bunch of horror films. I just can't remember the names of them. I don't know what my problem is. But they're, like, usually, like, the low, like, I don't know, the one, you know, the annual ones that don't become famous, but they were, like, famous. You know, they were popular or in the news for, like, a couple months. Like, those are the ones that my wife and her friends used to watch. But ever since she started having kids, and I would also give her a compliment in this way, my wife has become increasingly intelligent. She was always a Christian and godly, but she's become increasingly godly as we've had kids and as we've gone on in our marriage. She is less and less into horror films. And she cannot watch gory stuff. And she can't watch anything where kids get hurt. Yeah, same. 01:11:46 Speaker 5: I'm actually like that. Ever since I had kids, I pretty much can't watch anything where something bad happens to a kid. It affects you in a way different way. So, like, a movie like Hereditary, like, I watched that when it came out, and, like, now even thinking of it drives me nuts because you can't not think of that being your kid. And there was that... I think it was Halloween Kill, or Halloween Kills was the most recent Michael Myers, like, reboot, and there's a kid that dies, like, right away in it. There's, like, a babysitter situation. The kid falls off the... This is the first scene of the movie, so I'm not spoiling. And the kid, like, falls off the stairs and dies, and. 01:12:26 Speaker 5: So what I do now is that like I usually wait till one of my buddies sees the movie first and I'm like, hey, blah, blah, blah. What happens to the kids that OK? That being said, though, there's a movie called Weapons that came out where the kids get possessed by this witch. And, you know, spoiler alert, beat, beat, beat, skip this if you don't want to hear it, that the kids actually get the better of the witch in the end. And so I was like, oh, that's really cool. And it was really, really well done. Same guy who did. 01:12:55 Speaker 1: Wait, what film was that? The new Weapons. That just came out. That came out just like last year. Oh, I saw that one. Yeah, my wife made me see that one. 01:13:01 Speaker 5: Phenomenal. Phenomenal. 01:13:02 Speaker 1: That was all right. 01:13:03 Speaker 5: The same guy who did the new Resident Evil, which was also really fun. 01:13:09 Speaker 1: An important message from Noble Gold Investments. November 3rd, control of Congress is on the line. And whatever happens, your savings are going to feel it. If Democrats take power, we could be looking at years of gridlock, followed by the same policies that fueled inflation before. More spending, bigger deficits, and a weaker dollar. We lived through this already. In June 2022, inflation was out of control and unchecked. Now, the national debt is over $ 40 trillion, and Washington isn't slowing down. 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It got terrible reviews. 01:14:25 Speaker 1: We'll set that aside. 01:14:26 Speaker 4: What would, but it's a film where like he's the son of Satan has to come to earth for plot reasons, but it's like Satan as basically comedy movie fodder instead of, you know, king of evil where you can lose your soul to him and go to hell for all eternity. 01:14:39 Speaker 1: Cassius, get in a flash. Get in a flash, Cassius. 01:14:42 Speaker 4: Yeah, like, there's a few films like that, and I think you could say, like, maybe we should laugh at. 01:14:50 Speaker 1: Satan, but maybe we shouldn't. Shaun of the Dead, Evil Dead 2, Young Frankenstein, Ghostbusters. Oh, Shaun of the Dead is so good. 01:14:56 Speaker 5: Shaun of the Dead is amazing. 01:14:57 Speaker 1: Beetlejuice. 01:14:59 Speaker 3: Beetlejuice might be another one. An American Werewolf in London. 01:15:02 Speaker 4: If it treats the afterlife as trivial, if it treats... Satan as trivial, if it treats demons as comedy fodder and not horror fodder, is that bad? 01:15:13 Speaker 1: I think it just depends. No, I don't think so. Depends, though. It could. 01:15:25 Speaker 5: Ghostbusters is clearly anti-demon. It's very, very anti-demon. Although I will note, actually, maybe this is a little bit of a thought crime. But Dan Aykroyd, if you actually look into his, some of the stuff that he does on podcasts and some of the stuff that Dan Aykroyd has talked about, I think it's like his grandfather or his uncle who was the inspiration for the original Ghostbusters. I'm going to straight out and say it. Dan Aykroyd is straight up an occultist. He is overtly pagan. 01:15:56 Speaker 1: He is super. 01:15:57 Speaker 5: Into this stuff. He is someone who actually believes in spiritualism and Doesn't from a very not Christian perspective. And I would actually warn anyone that if you're watching any of Dan Aykroyd stuff and following along that line, then you are definitely participating in demonic and Satan activity. 01:16:20 Speaker 1: Well, that's too bad. You shouldn't do that. I know nothing. Jon Snow. That's great. I'm now going to look that up, though. 01:16:28 Speaker 5: No, I clicked on some of it. 01:16:30 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, cool. 01:16:31 Speaker 5: So this is where Ghostbusters came from. And let me check that out. And I'm like, oh, wow. 01:16:35 Speaker 1: He's dead serious. 01:16:37 Speaker 5: And wants to do seances and wants to get involved in summoning demons and things like that. And I'm like, dude, you should not be dabbling in that stuff ever. 01:16:46 Speaker 1: Absolutely not. All right, Mikey, you brought it up. Yeah, you're right, Jack. You brought it up. Elizabeth Holmes. Not a horror flick. But maybe. But maybe. Well, we haven't seen it yet. We should have seen it. No, we were going to see it. And then he flayed. 01:17:01 Speaker 3: So that's why I had to have the Sour Patch wings. 01:17:03 Speaker 1: Oh, fine. All right. So this is what we're talking about. You can see everything. It's co-directed by Nathan Fielder. And I guess it's received near universal critical praise, which is wild. It focuses on Holmes and the period leading up to her imprisonment. She began an 11-year sentence in 2023 after her 2022 fraud conviction with intimate access to her home life, partner, and family. 01:17:33 Speaker 4: I don't know. 01:17:33 Speaker 3: I can't say. 01:17:34 Speaker 1: Blake and I need to see this. 01:17:36 Speaker 5: We should all see the movie and then come back and figure out a way to. 01:17:40 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good idea. Maybe after the election or so. 01:17:42 Speaker 5: When everyone needs to vote, vote, vote. She clearly wants– And come back and do a big thought crime on it. 01:17:47 Speaker 1: All right, fine. 01:17:48 Speaker 4: There will be some weight to this because she clearly wants to kind of get clemency from the Trump administration, I think. That's clearly an aspect of what they're– That's. 01:17:55 Speaker 1: Why she's trying to get buddy-buddy with Mikey. 01:17:58 Speaker 4: If we went 100 percent in the paint and said Elizabeth Holmes did nothing wrong– We could marginally move the needle on whether that would ever happen. 01:18:04 Speaker 1: Well, we've been doing that with Derek Chauvin. I don't know if I'm going there. I don't think I'm going to go there. I don't think I'm going to go there. 01:18:11 Speaker 6: I need a couple minutes to build the case here. 01:18:14 Speaker 1: All right, Mikey is a Elizabeth Holmes stan, so we'll see. 01:18:18 Speaker 6: I have nuanced takes. 01:18:22 Speaker 1: You have nuanced takes. 01:18:23 Speaker 6: I have nuanced takes. Very unpopular nuanced takes. 01:18:29 Speaker 1: But vote, vote, vote, and we'll talk about it next week. By the way, go to Charlie Kirk's store, get your Thought Crimes shirt. Do it right now. We have the graphic, Charlie Kirk's store, Thought Crimes shirt. It's our new offering. Because, by the way, we've had so many people in the audience ask for us to make a Thought Crime shirt. 01:18:45 Speaker 3: Yeah, so you guys better wear them all to AmFest. 01:18:47 Speaker 1: Yeah, and by the way, this is a new fabric. I think E has it. something to do with this, because she knows shirts. 01:18:52 Speaker 3: I believe this fabric appears to be cotton? 01:18:54 Speaker 1: No, because not all cotton's the same, Blake. So this is actually a really high-quality shirt. 01:18:59 Speaker 4: This is the Giza Dream Sheet cotton I make my pillows out of. 01:19:03 Speaker 1: Don't mess with Jack's main sponsor. Don't do that. This is a really nice-feeling... Shirt. I hope we use this fabric like more because it's it's great. Jack, we'll give you your thought crime shirt when you're coming for the election night stream. By the way, election night stream. We're doing it and we're going to be doing some stuff with Rav. We're going to be going in and out of Real America's Voice. And now we're going to be doing a simulcast for part of the night with Piers Morgan. So that'll be that'll be really interesting. It could be it could be a rough night. I think everybody just needs to kind of brace themselves for that and vote like we're five points down. So let that motivate you. Let the fact that woke megachurch pastor Adam Hamilton might become a senator in freaking Kansas. Not acceptable. Absolutely not acceptable. This is crazy. You could have wokey pastor Adam Hamilton and wokey fake Christian James Talrico together. 01:19:58 Speaker 4: Becoming senators of the United States if you don't show up. NRIO 7510 says, my whole family voted. 01:20:03 Speaker 1: We did our part. Thank goodness. 01:20:04 Speaker 3: But don't stop at your family. 01:20:06 Speaker 1: You know people. You need to be a force multiplier. 01:20:08 Speaker 4: If you're at church, get brunch afterwards. Ask them, hey, did you vote yet? Are you planning to vote on Tuesday? Again, there are people in your life who are natural conservative voters who who are not voting this cycle. They're not voting because they're checked out. They're not voting because they're dispirited but shouldn't be. They're not voting because they think it's all fraud. They're not voting because they forgot about it. They just kind of put it off and put it off. And that will decide who wins this race. We've talked about it in Arizona. The winner of Tuesday's election will get far fewer votes than Kamala Harris got losing the election two years ago. 01:20:47 Speaker 1: That's right. 01:20:48 Speaker 4: And that will be happening in every single state. Every race will be decided this year by who loses fewer votes over 24. 01:20:54 Speaker 1: It's defined by who doesn't show up. I mean, that's what's crazy. Steve Hilton could be governor of California if everybody shows up. It's as simple as that. Every state, we can win. We can more than win. So vote. I'm going to say it one more time. Charlie Kirk store for the shirt because you guys asked for it. We delivered. And then you go to VoteReady.com if you want to make a plan to vote. Go to tpaction.com slash polls. I believe it's polls. Let me make sure if it's singular or plural. I want to make sure I got it. Yeah, find your polling place. tpaction.com slash polls. P-O-L-L-S. All right? And then that way you can find where you can vote and all the instructions and all that stuff. So, all right. That was a fun thought crime. It flew by. Yeah. 01:21:42 Speaker 3: Dude, we should have totally done the... We should have done Boomer Cruises still. 01:21:45 Speaker 1: We didn't... We didn't get to the Boomer Cruise. Oh, is that on the back? 01:21:48 Speaker 4: We should do that for like five minutes at least. Infinity Boomer Cruises because that's so funny. 01:21:52 Speaker 5: What is the Boomer Cruise? 01:21:53 Speaker 1: That was so funny. What is the Boomer Cruise? I didn't realize there was a whole back. 01:21:56 Speaker 4: Yeah, you can't freaking helicopter us out of this without talking about Infinity Boomer Cruises. 01:22:00 Speaker 1: Jacob's Ladder Scream. We had so many other ones. I didn't even look Tsk, tsk. Angelo. There was a back. No, you just had to check on the backs. And this is the front. 01:22:09 Speaker 4: You might also have looked at the title of today's episode, which includes Eternal Boomer Cruises in. 01:22:14 Speaker 1: It, Andrew. All right, five minutes. 01:22:15 Speaker 3: All right, yeah, we got to do five minutes on this. 01:22:16 Speaker 1: Three and a half. 01:22:17 Speaker 3: Because it's super funny, which is that there was a company. 01:22:21 Speaker 1: This feels like another horror film. Yes. Oh, completely. 01:22:24 Speaker 4: Except it would be an amazing comedy, because what happened is a company sold tickets to a never-ending cruise. You could buy a ticket and it would just go forever and ever. And the problem is they ran out of money. And so people who had, they sold their houses, they sold everything, they moved onto this boat to just cruise until they died, and they got dumped in Cambodia because the cruise company ran out of money and said, you gotta offload in Cambodia, we don't have enough money to get to the next stop. 01:22:55 Speaker 1: This is either, yeah, this is either dark comedy or the making. 01:22:58 Speaker 3: Of a very terrifying horror film. 01:23:00 Speaker 4: TMZ, people, passengers say people sunk all their money into their residential cabins on the Ville Vie Odyssey and sold their homes on land. They have nowhere to go. And it just feels there's something powerfully symbolic about this. Because, you know, we were talking about, is it okay to watch horror films? Here's what I can categorically say. If the nature of your life is such that you feel it is desirable, or that it is even possible... for you to chuck everything and just move on to a cruise ship for the rest of your life. 01:23:32 Speaker 1: Your life is. 01:23:33 Speaker 4: You are, you have wasted your life and you are sinning right now. You're living a sinful life. I'm going to go out there and say that. 01:23:39 Speaker 1: Passengers have been kicked off an endless cruise as the operator blames a massive jump in fuel costs. That's amazing. 01:23:46 Speaker 4: I absolutely find this amazing. 01:23:48 Speaker 1: Oh, some paid $ 120, 000 for residency. 01:23:49 Speaker 5: Hey, we, we finally, we, we, we finally found a silver lining to the Iran war. 01:23:55 Speaker 1: Yeah. 01:23:59 Speaker 4: This couple paid a million dollars for a lifetime cruise on a cruise that dumped them, and they say they have no regrets. Blogger Randy Cassinim and his wife Kit said they paid a staggering $ 1 million for an all-inclusive voyage that they assumed would last at least 15 years. Instead, they were among 200 passengers booted from the ship after they ran out of money amid cruise costs. 01:24:21 Speaker 1: How long did it last? 01:24:22 Speaker 3: They were on it for two years, and he says it was great for a while. 01:24:26 Speaker 1: What does he mean? Like it stopped being great before it ended? 01:24:30 Speaker 4: Or he just means it was great for a while. It sounds like they were paying. 01:24:33 Speaker 1: $ 7, 000 a month in expenses. So on top of their. 01:24:36 Speaker 4: So I guess they basically bought a room in it like it was a condo. 01:24:39 Speaker 1: And then they just paid. 01:24:40 Speaker 4: It was like you basically paid your monthly fee to continue being on this boat. But going back to what I said, I just think you should have stuff that ties you into this world. 01:24:50 Speaker 1: This is a question. 01:24:50 Speaker 4: You should have grandchildren. You should have a church. You should have family. You should have a community that you are a part of and that you try to contribute to. And if your idea of life is to just check out and live on a cruise until you die, you did something very wrong. 01:25:06 Speaker 5: Isn't it the plot of that movie WALL-E where they're on a space cruise? 01:25:11 Speaker 1: And they're all in these chairs. They can't walk anymore. It's got deeply Christian overtones. Here's a question. 01:25:15 Speaker 5: Is retirement. 01:25:22 Speaker 1: like in the very pop culture sense where you're going to like spend your golden years, which is like really, it's like pork, the other white meat, like completely like false branding, like your golden years. You mean when you have arthritis and all the, okay. But spending your golden years, like playing golf in retirement, like, is that even a Christian concept? I think it, now I don't want to say it. 01:25:45 Speaker 4: I know Charlie, Charlie fought against the idea of retirement. I think in practice we need to, be able to have this concept because people's bodies, your body ages. Like if you're in a blue collar job, you can't work in old age. If you're in a white collar job, you might lose your marbles a bit and not really be able to work anymore. Like if you are in the stages of aging where you are degenerating now, you should be able to not work anymore. Now I do think what is toxic is like the fire element. Fantasy that's out there. Do you know about this? Financial independence, retire early. It's people whose entire objective is make enough money so that you can quit working and check out and just live off your savings forever. I think there is something a little dark about that. And that your goal is to check out of life. 01:26:31 Speaker 1: I think financial independence is fine. 01:26:33 Speaker 4: It's seeing life as a consumer good, and your goal is to just consume as much as possible. 01:26:39 Speaker 1: To become fully self-sustaining and financially independent where essentially you could live off the dividends from your stocks or the returns on your properties or whatever, I think that's fine. 01:26:50 Speaker 4: That's desirable, but that should enable you to then have new obligations to build things. 01:26:57 Speaker 1: And Mikey's going to have an interesting take on this, I think, because not only are you the youngest, but again, you're the PK. I really think this is like a Christian ethic, right? You go from your productive years to your managing years to your disseminating your wisdom years. There is no time in the Christian life cycle where you should be thinking, now it's all about me. That is fundamentally the selfishness with the pop culture sells people. And I think what you're getting on with this endless cruise is the really disgusting part to me. Why do you keep calling him a PK? 01:27:29 Speaker 5: I don't know what PK is. 01:27:32 Speaker 1: Pastor's kid. Yeah. Oh, yeah. 01:27:33 Speaker 6: So there's the four stages of life, right? 01:27:36 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. The first stage is I'm not taking the bait, Jack. I'm not taking the bait. 01:27:42 Speaker 6: The first stage is learning, right? The second stage is earning. The third stage is giving. And the last stage is teaching. And it's like we change all of that. You're basically just supposed to earn and then give to yourself. And it's completely inversed. 01:28:01 Speaker 1: Inverted, yeah. I just think as a Christian, you always have a role to play because– bridging the wisdom of the generations is a dramatically important thing that happens in culture. And if people, if older people are thinking I've done my part, I can just like burn all my money and opt out. It's terrible. Yeah. 01:28:23 Speaker 4: It's, it's just, yeah, it's treating life as a consumer good. 01:28:26 Speaker 3: You should, I think about that. 01:28:28 Speaker 4: We should have a guy on again, that Johan Kurtz guy who talked about having your family dynasties, like your goal. If you have that, if you can live off your incomes, like, What you can do with that is you can. 01:28:40 Speaker 4: Enable your descendants to take bigger risks in their lives and say, start that company because you will have us as a backstop. You can create generational momentum. You have funds that you can keep your church going forever. You can keep your community, you can protect your community when there's an economic disaster. Do you need to bail out your closest friends? You'd be able to do that. That is something that you want generational wealth for. And I think what's really toxic about this cruise is, again, that it's treating your goal in life, oh, get this big pile so that I can blow it on consuming things and my life will be a success if I have consumed as many pleasures as possible before I die. And honestly, it'd be funny because I bet that people on their eternal cruise is probably what they imagined heaven would be like. 01:29:29 Speaker 3: It's just sitting on a cruise every day for all eternity. 01:29:32 Speaker 1: Can you imagine what an awful experience an eternal cruise... What if you didn't like the people on the cruise? Like, what if you... Actually, that would be a very fascinating subtext here. It's like, how many mean girl high school beefs are on that cruise? I mean, that already happens. 01:29:48 Speaker 4: It's like, owning a condo is like having an eternal cruise with people you might not like. 01:29:53 Speaker 1: Jack, sorry, you had something. 01:29:56 Speaker 5: No, I was going to say as the resident– I got the shirt on as the Navy guy. 01:30:00 Speaker 1: Like I– when I think. 01:30:01 Speaker 5: Of cruise, I just think of like hell on water. 01:30:05 Speaker 1: Like why would anybody ever. 01:30:07 Speaker 5: Want to do something like that for fun or like with your money or with. 01:30:13 Speaker 1: Your spare time? I bet there was all these STDs getting passed around. 01:30:14 Speaker 5: Tony's asked me to go on a cruise multiple times and I'm just like, no, absolutely not. 01:30:19 Speaker 1: I bet there was, like, STD heaven there. Sorry, that's a thought crime. 01:30:23 Speaker 4: Speaking of horror films, to loop it all back, there's a horror film that's pretty short called Triangle that makes you not want to go on a cruise ship anymore. 01:30:30 Speaker 1: All you have to do is watch one... Have you heard of the... Go ahead. The Poop Cruise? The Poop Cruise. Oh. It's on Netflix. It's on Netflix. Oh, it's a film. No, you guys, it's on Netflix. You should go. You should watch it. It's about this cruise that, like, The. 01:30:46 Speaker 6: Plumbing broke and everything. There was just poop all over the crew and everybody's cabin. And they couldn't get to port fast enough. 01:30:53 Speaker 1: You could just poop over the edge. 01:30:54 Speaker 3: You want to poop over the edge? 01:30:56 Speaker 1: You could create like a seat. That's what they do, probably, right? That's a horror movie. 01:31:04 Speaker 5: Andrew, here in the first world, we don't do that, okay? I don't know where your. 01:31:09 Speaker 1: People are from. We're not talking about H-1B. We don't poop in the ocean. We poop in the loo here, Andrew. No, I'm saying, okay, if all the plumbing broke on a cruise line, all you do is you set up a private stall over the side. You build a little platform where it can just drop right into the ocean. 01:31:27 Speaker 3: It just plops in. 01:31:28 Speaker 1: You're going to die. You're going to kill people. You probably would. 01:31:32 Speaker 5: You're where the boats move on the ocean, right? You just need some good engineering. 01:31:39 Speaker 1: You have somebody at the railing. Somebody's leaning over the railing. There's poop falling on them. 01:31:43 Speaker 5: There's a reason that no one in the Navy has ever done this. There's a reason sailors don't do that. 01:31:50 Speaker 1: I'm just saying. 01:31:50 Speaker 4: This is reminding me, did you ever get told or believe as a kid that when you went to the bathroom on an airplane that they just dumped it out of the airplane? 01:31:58 Speaker 1: Yeah. 01:31:58 Speaker 3: Because apparently that's just a lie. 01:31:59 Speaker 5: Yes. 01:32:03 Speaker 1: I heard that growing up. Oh, you're talking about the septic tank scene? Yeah, where he gets that. 01:32:09 Speaker 4: Some skater boy just put that bomb on a septic tank and then. 01:32:13 Speaker 1: They just dump it. Anyway, it's really dumb. Do we end on the midterms, guys? Yes. 01:32:20 Speaker 4: Vote in the midterms or they will crap on America. 01:32:24 Speaker 5: Speaking of Abdul El-Sayed... Speaking of the poop crews, that will be the entire country. 01:32:31 Speaker 1: If we let these maniacs take power. Listen, if you don't like Trump, I don't know what to tell you. But you're definitely not going to like the other guy. So, vote. Because they are going to turn us into a third world hellhole. That's their plan. Get your friends to vote. 01:32:45 Speaker 5: They will turn us into a national poop cruise. 01:32:48 Speaker 1: It will be a national poop cruise. That will be the United States of America. And our founders wanted more for us than that. Our country will be a poop cruise. They will turn us into a horror film called Poop Cruise. So... That's probably not our best pitch ever, but it is fundamentally accurate. So go out and vote. VoteReady.com, TPAction.com slash polls. It's been a great Thought Crime Thursday. It's the last one we've got before the election. So we'll see what we're talking about next week. Hopefully we still have the Senate. Until then, Jack, wait. Here we go. Jack, you take us home. 01:33:23 Speaker 5: All right. 01:33:23 Speaker 1: Happy Halloween, everyone. 01:33:24 Speaker 5: And go out there and commit more thought crimes. 01:33:32 Speaker 1: For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk.com.