From the Archive: Charlie Debates a Student on Open Borders

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They strengthen our communities with lower crime rates. So in Texas, undocumented immigrants have a 26 lower percent homicide conviction rate. 00:02:06 Speaker 1: So. 00:02:07 Speaker 2: which is 2.2 per 100,000 versus 3 for native-born citizens. Nationally, immigrants are incarcerated at half the rate of native-born, where it's 0.85% versus 1.71%. That's according to Bureau of Justice Statistics from 2019. So if safety is your goal, why deport people who make our streets safer? This is my third point. Mass deportation tears apart American families. Over 4.4 million U.S. citizens... children have an undocumented parent, and in Texas, one in seven kids lives in a mixed-status household. Okay, this is my fourth point. Deportation is a fiscal nightmare. Removing 11 million people would cost $ 315 to $ 400 billion, more than the entire homeland security budget, and shrink our GDP by $ 1. 7 trillion over 10 years. And this is my last point. Our immigration system is broken, pushing people to cross illegally. Visa weights Mexicans can exceed 20 years, and the asylum blockage is 1.3 million cases, with hearings four to six years out. Okay. 00:03:19 Speaker 1: You done? 00:03:19 Speaker 2: That's pretty much it. Yeah, yeah. 00:03:20 Speaker 1: All right, so without looking at the phone, look at me. What should the penalty be for breaking into America? 00:03:26 Speaker 2: I think there should be a system where it's more merit-based. 00:03:28 Speaker 1: No, penalty. So what is the penalty? So what should. 00:03:31 Speaker 2: Happen to you? It's not a felony. It's a misdemeanor. No, it is. 00:03:34 Speaker 1: That's not true. 00:03:35 Speaker 2: It's 8 U.S.C. 00:03:35 Speaker 1: 1312. You can look it up right now. 00:03:36 Speaker 2: It's a felony if it's done twice. 00:03:38 Speaker 1: No, no, it's not correct. 00:03:39 Speaker 2: That is correct. 00:03:39 Speaker 1: That is not correct. I Googled it, dude. To illegally go across the southern border with the well intent to come in to harbor yourself into the interior of the United States is a violation of 8 U.S.C. 1312, which is a felony in the federal criminal code. Now, it can be enforced as a misdemeanor or it can be upwards to five years in prison. Now, I want to know, since it's a felony, law on the books, 8 U.S.C. 1312, what should the penalty be? 00:03:59 Speaker 2: Well, in my opinion, these kinds of, like, laws are not– are usually– they're– what do you call it? They're– sorry. Usually the– like the– sorry. Sorry. Um, wait, sorry. Can I, can I check my phone real quick? I apologize. Can you, can you repeat the question? Sorry. 00:04:33 Speaker 1: What should the penalty be for someone that breaks or comes into America illegally? What should the penalty be? 00:04:40 Speaker 2: I think there should be a merit system where the people, okay, the penalty. All right. 00:04:44 Speaker 1: That's not the answer. It's a very simple moral and legal question. What should the penalty be? If you come into America illegally. 00:04:52 Speaker 2: Okay, so since it's a misdemeanor, not a felony, misdemeanors are. 00:04:55 Speaker 1: I just told you it's not. You can look up on your chat GPT what is 8 U.S.C. Look up. What is 8 U.S.C. 1312? No, I know. 00:05:02 Speaker 2: I've already looked it up. 00:05:03 Speaker 1: Yes, which is. 00:05:05 Speaker 2: When it's your second time crossing the border illegally, then it becomes a felony. 00:05:09 Speaker 1: It can be, and it is, enforced as a felony, and it usually is done as a misdemeanor citation because no one has the stones to do $ 20 million... felony applications. So I just want to ask, what should the penalty be, then, for someone that comes into this country illegally? 00:05:32 Speaker 2: Usually there's three ways that go about this when there's a penalty. There's either a fine, or there's some kind of public service that this person does, or you send them back. 00:05:43 Speaker 1: Oh, send them back, I agree. That's what we should do. 00:05:45 Speaker 2: Okay, so. 00:05:48 Speaker 2: So this is interesting. So one of the stats, one of the statistics that I read said that illegal immigrants don't cause as much, as much like, they don't break the law as often as people who are native born. That is a statistic. 00:06:02 Speaker 1: No time out. But every single one of them are criminals. 00:06:05 Speaker 2: They're all criminals. 00:06:06 Speaker 1: Okay, sure. 00:06:06 Speaker 2: By law. 00:06:06 Speaker 1: By law. 00:06:07 Speaker 2: No, by law, of course. 00:06:08 Speaker 1: If they commit less crime and they're all criminals... Wait a second. By definition, they all have broken the law by being here. And they break the law every day by staying here because you're actually not allowed to stay here either. Do you know that? So every day you're here, you're actually continually breaking the law. You can't break in or harbor. That's what the federal law says. So by breaking in, it's not just the only law they broke. Every second you remain here, you're also breaking the law. So that statistic is invalidated by just them breathing here, they're breaking the law. 00:06:37 Speaker 2: No, of course not. 00:06:37 Speaker 1: Of course not. 00:06:38 Speaker 2: So, of course it makes sense for them when they're here, they're breaking the law because they're illegal immigrants, obviously. 00:06:42 Speaker 1: Obviously. 00:06:42 Speaker 2: But once they're, okay, yeah, of course. So once they're here, once they are here, what kind of harm are they actually doing? When you look at the numbers. 00:06:49 Speaker 1: A lot. 00:06:50 Speaker 2: No, no, that's not true. 00:06:50 Speaker 1: Black wages have gone down. 00:06:52 Speaker 2: Okay, in Texas. 00:06:52 Speaker 1: DUIs have gone up dramatically. 00:06:54 Speaker 2: Try not to interrupt, bro. 00:06:55 Speaker 1: Well, hold on. I'm interjecting, and I let you go uninterrupted with your whole soliloquy, right? That's true, yeah. Thank you. So let me ask you a question, though. Okay. So if it is correct that illegal aliens commit less crimes, which, of course, it's not correct. 00:07:11 Speaker 2: That is correct. 00:07:12 Speaker 1: Look it up. 00:07:12 Speaker 2: In Texas, they made a study in 2018. 00:07:14 Speaker 1: 26% are lower. Is any crime– it's just not correct, but I'm not going to debate that. I just proved it at its face because they commit a crime by being here every day. That is a crime. Okay. 00:07:26 Speaker 3: Gentlemen, let's get real for a second. 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Okay, so Laken Riley was a girl at the University of Georgia. 00:09:12 Speaker 3: Okay. 00:09:12 Speaker 1: There was a peeping Tommy, a legal alien, that was deported five times prior, and Biden kept on letting him back in. He hunted her down... her, sodomized her, and murdered her on a hiking trail University of Georgia. 00:09:23 Speaker 2: Okay, so one person doesn't represent all illegal immigrants. Hold on a second. 00:09:25 Speaker 1: Every person who is killed by an illegal alien is one that should not happen. Every single one. Of course, and also the ones that are native-born. Everyone. And so that's the point, is that it's not a matter of the rates. Even if I accept your premise, which is incorrect, the rate is irrelevant. The number is what's relevant. There should be zero illegal aliens. There should be zero Americans being killed by illegals. Not to mention there's six other problems with illegal aliens. They steal Social Security numbers. They depress wages. They are heavily involved. By the way, not to mention a lot of people that cross on the southern border are also smuggling girls' weapons and drugs. alongside the southern border when they come. It's the largest slavery operation in American history that many illegal aliens helped make possible on the southern border. And I guess the final question I'll have is, should a government serve its citizens first and foremost? 00:10:15 Speaker 2: Yeah, of course. Of course. Well, okay, there's been many people who are like, very political leaders, who have said that this place is built off of immigrants. 00:10:24 Speaker 1: Oh, is it? Well, hold on. Let's think about that. First of all, it's legal, not illegal. But was America founded by immigrants or settlers? 00:10:31 Speaker 2: Settlers. 00:10:32 Speaker 1: That's not an immigrant. 00:10:33 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. 00:10:34 Speaker 1: Okay, well, that's not my point. 00:10:34 Speaker 2: My point is that people... You just brought up the. 00:10:37 Speaker 1: nation built by immigrants. 00:10:38 Speaker 2: Yeah we're actually not because the political leaders have said that this place is built yeah and they're wrong they're wrong political leaders are wrong George W. Bush is wrong all these political leaders who have built. 00:10:49 Speaker 1: America by the way the first person to say that how is. 00:10:51 Speaker 2: That wrong when illegal immigrants make they grow the economy. 00:10:55 Speaker 1: Statistically allow me again allow me to build it out for you sure Immigrants have helped at times in American history, but we are first and foremost a nation founded by settlers. Immigrants come to a country already built. Settlers come to a barren place and build something new. This land was barren when people came. In the 1840s gold rush, this was not an easy place to live. California was not exactly industrialized. There was not immigrants coming west to California. Those were settlers building a new place around Western values. Finally, I would just ask the question, Do you see a moral distinction between a legal immigrant and an illegal immigrant? 00:11:30 Speaker 2: Well, the argument is that they're cutting in line. Like, the argument is that they're cutting in line in the 20-year process that it would take for someone to cross illegally. 00:11:37 Speaker 1: It's not 20, but yeah. 00:11:38 Speaker 2: At most, it's 20. At most, it's 20. Right now, there's around, like, 1.2 million people who are currently waiting. That would take six to seven years for a hearing. 00:11:45 Speaker 1: And by the way, no one has a right to come to this country, just to be clear. 00:11:48 Speaker 2: Wait, let me stay on track of what I was going to say. Okay, so people who come here usually... Almost all the time when they come here, they benefit society. They benefit society. There's studies that have done this. 00:12:01 Speaker 1: Not necessarily. 00:12:02 Speaker 2: Okay, not necessarily, but overall in general. 00:12:06 Speaker 1: I fundamentally disagree with that. 00:12:07 Speaker 2: You can't disagree with a fact. 00:12:09 Speaker 1: Hold on a second. Do you think Ilhan Omar has enriched the United States of America? 00:12:14 Speaker 2: I don't know who that is. 00:12:15 Speaker 1: Do you think Rashida Tlaib? Uh-huh. I mean, I could go through person by person by person. 00:12:20 Speaker 2: I don't know these people. Are these people who have, like, Are illegal immigrants that have caused harm? 00:12:23 Speaker 1: Yeah, again, if you don't know, I don't mean to pick on you. 00:12:25 Speaker 2: It's fine. 00:12:26 Speaker 1: But I guess the final question is, do you have any concern? that there are too many people coming into this country and we're a nation of strangers, not a nation of neighbors. 00:12:36 Speaker 2: If the people who are coming are creating America, making it more growing, like the economy is growing, then what harm is that doing? Especially if the. 00:12:42 Speaker 1: People who are coming are not... Because we're more than an economy, though, aren't we? We're a culture. We're a language. We're a people. 00:12:46 Speaker 2: Yeah, of course. Okay, so let's talk about that front. When they come here, they don't have any kind of... They're not committing as more crimes than the people who are already here. That is a statistic done. 00:12:53 Speaker 1: We've already dispelled that. You can't just spell a statistic. What are you talking about? Do you think there's anything wrong that a majority of young people in California speak Spanish, not English? 00:13:03 Speaker 2: Wait, sorry. 00:13:04 Speaker 1: Do you think there's anything wrong or troubling to the fact that a majority of people under the age of 30 here in the States speak Spanish, not English? Is there a problem with that? 00:13:12 Speaker 2: Well, yeah. Everyone should be able to have an ability to communicate with the rest of the crowd. So I don't know what the big issue. 00:13:19 Speaker 1: Of that is. See, I think it's a huge problem when we have... A nation where you can't communicate with your fellow neighbor. 00:13:23 Speaker 2: Okay, simple solution. Teach them how to speak English. What is your point? 00:13:26 Speaker 1: Yeah, and our schools don't do that, actually. And also, I have a better solution. Don't import a bunch of people that don't speak English. 00:13:32 Speaker 2: You mean importing people who actually grow the economy. 00:13:36 Speaker 1: Again, I reject your premise. That's not a premise. 00:13:39 Speaker 2: That's a study that's been done. 00:13:41 Speaker 1: Do you know what a premise is? I don't actually care as much about economic growth. Because we're one nation under GDP. We're not one nation under GDP. We're a nation under God. And when we lose social cohesion and you import a bunch of people that don't share our values, that don't necessarily always assimilate, that's a major and serious problem. And we are a people first and foremost with a creed. And that creed is falling apart. Mass migration has not helped that creed. Yes, they might buy more trinkets. They might help depress wages. Mass migration, of course, can help them. 00:14:11 Speaker 2: All good things, all great things for America. 00:14:13 Speaker 1: Well, they help major corporations, but you know what they also do? They keep down the wages of working people. If you are a plumber, yes, of course, if you think about it, if you're a plumber, electrician, or a welder, and you have to compete against someone from Nicaragua who's willing to do it for five bucks less an hour, that depresses the wages of the American citizen. 00:14:29 Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, so there's been studies that have done that. I'll also counteract that. Illegal immigrants... Well, let's. 00:14:34 Speaker 3: Use our reason. 00:14:36 Speaker 1: No, let's look at our studies. Let's use our reason. 00:14:38 Speaker 2: How about statistics? 00:14:38 Speaker 1: How about our reason? So we've had mass migration for 20 years. Have wages gone up? 00:14:45 Speaker 2: I don't know. 00:14:46 Speaker 1: No, they haven't, actually. So forget your studies. For 10 years, we've had 30 million people come into America. Wages have gone down dramatically. Maybe there's a reason why. 00:14:56 Speaker 3: Okay. 00:14:57 Speaker 2: Okay. Okay. 00:15:00 Speaker 1: So what I encourage you to do, just because there's a study that confirms, you should use your reason and look actually at self-evident truths. Be like, huh, does that make sense? 00:15:10 Speaker 2: Statistics are self-evident truths. 00:15:12 Speaker 1: Well, not always. Statistics are very misleading. Yes. For example, I could say, did you know that 600 people a year die because of seatbelts? Well, that's a misleading statistic because over 100,000 lives are saved by seatbelts. That's an incomplete statistic. 00:15:26 Speaker 2: Okay, so that's a gray area. So where's the gray area where people are talking about where 26% of illegal immigrants who come here commit less crimes than native born? 00:15:34 Speaker 1: How many times have you been over this? That's just not correct. It's not true. 00:15:37 Speaker 2: Well, that is correct. 00:15:38 Speaker 1: That is correct. Every single crime. It doesn't matter about the rate. 00:15:41 Speaker 2: This is a study that was done in Texas, the second most diverse state. 00:15:44 Speaker 1: Every crime an illegal commits is one that should never have happened. 00:15:47 Speaker 3: Okay. 00:15:48 Speaker 1: Period. They should not be here. So I don't care about the rate. The rate is irrelevant. So let me just ask one final question. 00:15:54 Speaker 2: The rate is relevant. 00:15:55 Speaker 1: Someone broke into the country and cut in line, what should happen to them? 00:15:59 Speaker 2: Well, they're given– ideally there's a system. Ideally there's a system that's merit-based where these people then become part of the citizen. Like they become a legal citizen. 00:16:08 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we have clarity but not agreement. I say deport them all back to their country of origin and put Americans first. 00:16:14 Speaker 2: That's not an appropriate solution when. 00:16:16 Speaker 1: The American people voted for it, and it is appropriate. 00:16:19 Speaker 2: It isn't appropriate because most of the people that do come here illegally contribute positively to society. Not again, dude. Statistically, everything backs this. 00:16:28 Speaker 1: You're not listening to anything I'm saying, and that's fine. They take jobs from Americans. They depress wages. They steal Social Security numbers. They commit a crime every single day that they're here. They flood our public schools. They flood our social services. They flood our hospitals. They are a burden on the taxpayer. They should go back and make their own country great again and apply and become a legal immigrant if they want to live here. Thank you very much. 00:16:49 Speaker 2: Thank you.