THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 147 — Boomscrolling? EBT Discounts? The Late Lady Graham?

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We think we just got to start the show at 6 p.m. Eastern every Thursday and just keep the train rolling so everybody knows when to come back. 00:01:46 Speaker 6: Everyone's getting rolled over by the train. 00:01:49 Speaker 7: Welcome, everybody. 00:01:49 Speaker 5: Everybody's getting rolled over. And we have more. So I'm a big fan of letting you know kind of where we think the show's going to go right from the outset. And so here's kind of where I think this is going to go, but then it is a free-roaming conversation, so we don't really fully know. But we're going to hit the Lindsey Graham bombshell from Cenk Uygur, or however you say his name. 00:02:12 Speaker 3: Younger? 00:02:13 Speaker 5: That's another thought crime topic. We're going to hit Boomer Scrolling. We're going to talk about Call Her Daddy, What Would You Do to Watch Football in Peace, and EBT Discounts. That's a Blake Neff special, so stick around to the end. He's got that one on lockdown. But let's start it off, gentlemen. We have a bombshell. We were told it was a bombshell. We had Harry Sisson and all these other guys saying, hey, guys, we have a huge bombshell that's coming out tomorrow. It's going to implicate a huge U.S. Senate race. Nothing is going to be the same afterwards. And it turns out, I think the funnest part of this story was group chats like we have going at ThoughtCrime. Speculating about who it could be and who this senator might be. So some senators might have caught some strays in our group chat. But it turns out it was none other than the late Lindsey Graham. And the folks over at the Young Turks came out with a documentary called The Closetocracy. uh blake did you watch it and what did you think. 00:03:19 Speaker 6: I did not i haven't followed the story at all to be honest like i that's like what gets me about this like they're gonna hype this up it almost feels like they were working on this while lindsey was alive of course and he was running for re-election and nobody was more devastated than them when he just up and died abruptly and they had all this work that's my and then they probably had that conversation well crap what do we do with all this work we did? Let's just find a part where we can like dump it out there, get as much attention as we can and just, and just try to go for it. It's like, it's like when a studio has one of those movies that they know is going to be a bomb, but they just need to release it somewhere. Like, so they dump it in one studio and they take the tax write off. They needed to do this with the Lindsey Graham rent boy documentary. And maybe, yeah, maybe it was also easier to make because now a bunch of these people can't get sued anymore. 00:04:08 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:04:09 Speaker 6: And maybe that would have happened. So now they can just trot out and try to get attention. No one can really sue them because I don't think you can defame the dead. And away they go. 00:04:19 Speaker 7: I watched a little bit of it when because we were cutting some. 00:04:23 Speaker 3: B-roll of it. And that's what it gave. 00:04:26 Speaker 7: That's what it kind of gave off to me is that it starts with like 45 seconds and it goes to like their graphic that says the. whatever the closet closetocracy and then immediately following that it's lindsey lindsey graham has passed away lindsey graham has passed away lindsey graham has passed away and in my experience the only time anybody ever starts a documentary a documentary or anything with somebody's passing is if they were doing this before they already passed and then all of a like mid-production of this. 00:05:06 Speaker 5: Well, so let's just be clear about what the allegations are. The allegations are that Lindsey Graham was gay. 00:05:13 Speaker 3: Everyone knew that. 00:05:14 Speaker 5: I know that comes as a huge shock to everybody in this panel and our audience listening at home. The other allegations were that he paid male escorts for sexual trysts and that one of those escorts was underage. And I think the underlying allegation here is that Somehow this made Lindsey Graham compromise because they have tapes, and the tapes could have been used by Russia or Ukraine or something. Okay. So I have so many thoughts here. It could have been used by Russia. 00:05:49 Speaker 6: That's so comical because no one wanted to lob nuclear weapons at Russia more than Lindsey Graham. If he was getting co-opted by a foreign power, it was not very successfully. 00:06:00 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, he was literally the day before he died in Ukraine. 00:06:05 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:06:06 Speaker 6: And on top of that, was there any arc to Lindsey Graham where he got more radical? No, Lindsey Graham from the day he joined Congress was just a 10 out of 10, war on terror, bomb everyone, neocon. Like, what, was this guy, he was co-opted to go from 10 out of 10 to 11 out of 10? 00:06:23 Speaker 3: Yeah, like, if they were co-opting the man, they went the complete wrong direction with this. It's like the craziest thing. Totally made up. 00:06:32 Speaker 5: So. 00:06:33 Speaker 3: It's funny because they knew all this stuff. The intelligence agencies knew all this stuff and they didn't use any of this. 00:06:39 Speaker 6: Like Cenk Uygur or whatever the heck you pronounced 15 different ways to earn money back. Yeah, Hasan's uncle. And he's being like, how long has Turning Point USA known about this? Dude, if you ever turned into the show, Charlie's always alluding to Lindsey Graham being light in the loafers. He's not going to come out and say it because it's kind of rude to just claim this about someone if you don't have hard proof, but it's widely believed. And he's always alluding to it. He clearly did not like Lindsey Graham that much. 00:07:03 Speaker 3: But, oh, man. 00:07:05 Speaker 5: So this is what happened. So this is what happened. I tweeted about it this morning. I was like, guys, you think alleging that Lindsey Graham, and by the way, he's dead. Who gives a crap? That's my other take. You're alluding to the fact that he's gay. All of a sudden, you think this is some bombshell. Like, we've always called him Lady Graham for a reason. Everybody on this app has done this. But then Cenk goes, or Cenk, whatever his name is, and we have this number five B-roll. He goes, so how long have conservative groups like Turning Point USA known Lindsey Graham was gay and desperate to keep that hidden? How long did they know he had sex with underage boys? Did they know about the tapes? Do they have the tapes? If they knew all this, why did they keep it hidden? Okay, like so many assumptions there. So I had to reply back, which was really fun, actually. I was like, you know, thanks for playing, Cenk. This is stupid. Everybody knew, or at least knew about the rumors that Cenk was, you know, or that Lindsey Graham was gay. And no, we didn't have any knowledge of this. But hey, back on you. Let's turn this around on you, Cenk. How long did you guys have these tapes? And if you were really worried about foreign coercion or being co-opted by some foreign adversary of the United States, then did you alert authorities? Did you give them the tapes? Were you informed by any of these male prostitutes that these tapes were in the hands of foreign adversaries? Did you do any of these things, or did you just turn it into a salacious documentary to smear a dead man? So, you know, there's so much. And by the way, do you think, are you trying to suggest that Darling Graham, his sister, that Lindsay took care of when she was orphaned, when they were orphaned, and that they seemed to love each other? Are you saying that she set up these encounters, that she set up these trysts? So how long have you been sitting on this, Cenk? And I think that's like a fair question. So if you're alluding to the fact that this is a huge bombshell, then I hope you alerted authorities. And if you didn't, then you're a fraud. You're a complete fraud. But that hasn't stopped the internet. Yeah, go ahead. 00:09:12 Speaker 3: Nobody knows more about secret gays than the Young Turks. Than me. Me, the secret gay. 00:09:23 Speaker 6: I didn't say you were. I just said you might know a lot about it. 00:09:26 Speaker 3: Now, the Young Turks, I mean, clearly, every male that watches the Young Turks. 00:09:33 Speaker 3: Is at least on the spectrum of gay. 00:09:36 Speaker 6: I think that's probably just because it's Turks. They have those Turkish bathhouses. They have Turkish oil wrestling. They have Turkish delight. 00:09:43 Speaker 3: This is getting really touchy for Cenk because a lot of his male fan base, which isn't a lot, a lot of his male fan base is gay, closeted gay. 00:09:52 Speaker 6: Hunks for Chunk. 00:09:53 Speaker 3: Yeah. I just don't know. I think he needs to be careful here. 00:09:58 Speaker 5: He might be really there's something else that rhymes with jank way better Blake is. 00:10:03 Speaker 6: It chank or jank I have no idea I think it's jank I. 00:10:07 Speaker 3: Think you should just start calling it frank. 00:10:10 Speaker 6: My personal favorite my personal favorite is chunk. 00:10:13 Speaker 3: Wigger frank wigger yep frank wigger. 00:10:17 Speaker 5: All right So, but here's the thing, the internet, the. 00:10:21 Speaker 3: Listen, but I mean, I'll be for real though. Like the, the entire fan following for the young Turks are like closeted homosexual men. Like this is like the entire like thing, their whole thing is a bunch of people who are self-loathing white guys, uh, self-loathing, uh, you know, suburbanite males who feel bad for, you know, Palestinians and for the gay community and for the trans community and for, I mean, all these like feminists, they're like self-avowed feminists, like men who call themselves feminists that watch this junk that these guys put out. 00:11:04 Speaker 6: Junk from chunk? 00:11:05 Speaker 3: Junk from chank. Jank from chank. Junk from trunk. Chunky chank. 00:11:11 Speaker 6: I like calling him Chunk, even though it's inaccurate. By the way, I'm open to us being wrong, so if you're in the chat, I want you guys to post in the chat or email us and say, like, I thought Lindsey Graham was straight as an arrow, and I was absolutely devastated and shocked by this documentary, and I appreciate that they made it. If you feel that way, you should send it to us. I suppose what's very funny is, behind the scenes, I actually have... I've never really interacted with Graham, but I had a friend when I lived in D.C. 00:11:40 Speaker 4: Who. 00:11:40 Speaker 6: was with him way back when he was Jag in, I believe the air force. And he always strongly believed that Lindsey Graham wasn't fat straight and just a bachelor. Uh, he said he actually believed he was, he was understanding. He was actually kind of a ladies man when he was in the air force, but then he maybe just got too old. He got really past the marrying part of his life and just never settled down. That was what he believed. 00:12:04 Speaker 5: I actually have one. I have one regret on my clap back to Chang. I said, Everyone knew Lindsey Graham was gay, yes. I actually wish I would have said everyone knew the rumors of him being gay. He very well could have just been a bachelor. And they have these things in South Carolina called dandies, which apparently are single men that just seem a little bit more effeminate, but apparently most of them are straight. I don't know what the heck Lindsey Graham was. 00:12:29 Speaker 3: I don't care. 00:12:30 Speaker 5: He wanted to bomb every foreign nation on planet Earth. And so, you know, I supported his... uh, primary challengers, but that doesn't mean that this attack against Darlene, if you think you're going to swing South Carolina blue, I think it, I think it backfires candidly. I think it's just scummy sort of like dragging her in the mud. Let's we, we, we endorsed, uh, who do Ralph Norman, uh, um, yeah, in the, in the primary. So the point is we we've no, we've been no big allies of the Graham clan, but like, here's the thing. This was just a disgusting display by, uh, candidly a disgusting political ideology. 00:13:06 Speaker 3: I mean but this goes back to you know a lot of people were like why did you support why did you guys support ralph norman it's like dude ralph norman was like he he's he's more conservative and he's like he's not he's straight as an arrow. 00:13:21 Speaker 6: People will be like why do you support ralph norman instead of lindsey graham's sister and then in five years they'll be like why is everything so messed up with south carolina republicans yeah why do we always have these pro-eminent. 00:13:30 Speaker 3: Senators yeah but it would have been so much of an easier poll like for the, for the president to endorse Ralph. And like, it just would have been like a slam dunk. And like, we could have figured it out. And like, they were worried that he was going to go rogue on them and be too conservative. And like that, like, I get it. Like they, they want to have control over the Senate and all that stuff, but we want to have that problem right now. This problem, like this is like, this was like, everybody knew about this stuff. It's not like this isn't, this isn't like a huge revelation. Well, so hold on. 00:14:00 Speaker 7: The internet, I want to shout out, Poso is in the chat right now, so everybody say hi to Poso. But then also, Zuzu has a good point. She says, don't they sound a little homophobic outing a dead gay guy like it's a big scandal? 00:14:15 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the whole point, though. 00:14:17 Speaker 5: Yeah, they do. 00:14:18 Speaker 3: They are. They don't care. But that's the reason why Lindsey got by so long in D.C. was because he was a gay guy. And so he, like the Democrats in general. Allegedly. 00:14:31 Speaker 6: I like lion and the lamb. 00:14:32 Speaker 3: Allegedly from this, this whole thing. I mean, whatever he, he, yeah, this, this whole thing was, he probably was in the club with a lot of these guys, like not the club, but a club with the Democrats in DC who were like, Oh yeah, we can, we can work with this. Yeah. Because they because they I mean, this is so he was he he came to prevalence in the midst of again. Remember, even Obama campaign on traditional marriage, like basis, basically since 2008 to now, which has been 18 years. There has been a cultural revolution in the country with with the LGBTQ acceptance thing. 00:15:18 Speaker 4: Right. 00:15:18 Speaker 3: And that was like that's basically the arc of Lindsey Graham in D.C. So there's a cultural conversation that has to happen at some point, which these background things actually do matter, and who you elect, how you elect them, because those things aren't just compromising you with foreign governments and da-da-da, all this conspiracy theory stuff, which I'm sure some of that's accurate, but it compromises you as a Republican with the Democrats. It compromises you as a Republican with lobbyists. 00:15:50 Speaker 7: Also, shocker, career politicians are going to do this every time it's on both sides. 00:15:57 Speaker 3: It, this isn't new. This isn't, well, there's nothing wrong with, again, again, there's nothing wrong with Lindsey Graham going to live in his life, not as a Senator, right? Like go do whatever you want to do as a lobbyist for, you know, for all, all the major neocon elements, you know, serve as a Senator, get out, realize that that's not for you. And, And limit the ability for people to be compromised as a representative. Again, this is the problem that I have with the continuation of some of these things. We don't need more of this in the U.S. Senate. Especially on the Republican side. We already have an entire Democrat side that's completely compromised. 00:16:36 Speaker 5: I still think it's scummy. And I really, frankly, don't care what a dead man did. Obviously, if he was engaging with underage male prostitutes, huge problem. Huge problem. But why was that male prostitute... Why did he only find his courage when he was dead? So I don't know, man. And I'm super skeptical because these. 00:16:57 Speaker 3: Are male prostitutes. The Democrats were sitting on it. That's my whole point. The Democrats were sitting on this protecting Lindsey the whole time because they had this thing on him or just even a culturally relevant position. 00:17:09 Speaker 5: No, that's fair. So if he's beholden to anybody, it's probably to the Democrats. 00:17:13 Speaker 3: They protected him. You know what the fastest way to protect someone from media is? Be friends with the Democrats. 00:17:18 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:17:19 Speaker 3: All you have to do is be overly friendly with the Democrats. And guess what? They never write the expose in the New York Times on you about like if you're Lindsay, about these things happening. 00:17:28 Speaker 5: Right. 00:17:29 Speaker 3: Like the only time they attack you is when you're doing things that are basically saving the country. And this is how, you know, the Democrats were so in love with Lindsay's neocon elements. 00:17:40 Speaker 8: Right. 00:17:40 Speaker 3: Which is like he basically was doing the fulfillment of the exact same thing that Kamala Harris probably would have done. which was go over to Ukraine. 00:17:48 Speaker 5: I think this is the best point. I think this is the best point, Tyler, is that he had a handshake deal with Democrats, and they protected him. I think that's way more plausible than he's being blackmailed by the Ukrainians or Zelensky or Russia or China or something like that. 00:18:06 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's the other thing too, Andrew, is that people have no idea. Do you realize even how crooked Zelensky is and the Russians are and da-da-da-da? Like if you think, again, this stuff with Lindsay is crooked and for sure is bad stuff. But it's like how bad the Democrats are. But that's like the norm in most foreign governments with most foreign people that happen. These people like probably don't even bat an eye at that stuff. I don't know if that makes sense. But for us, like as Americans, we come from a much more sheltered, politically positioned the average american comes from a very sheltered position especially that is that was born pre our era and so they just can't fathom any of this. 00:18:53 Speaker 5: Stuff but this is the internet has been awesome today actually i've been laughing hysterically and sending russ all these all these reactions just people clowning on chank for releasing this and by the way he's tweeting at everybody he's tweeting up a storm really wants this thing to be a big thing Let's play some of these memes. Some of them are slightly inappropriate, we apologize, but in honor of Jack. Sot16, put that one up, the B-roll. So it goes, I hope Lindsey handed him the extra $ 10, because apparently his rate was $ 150 and he paid him $ 160. He goes, I hope he handed Lindsey that extra $ 10 and said, thank President Trump for no tax on Tim's. That was funny. The Sopranos meme, $ 17. So do we have Sopranos fans? Do you guys get this one? 00:19:47 Speaker 3: I never watched Sopranos. 00:19:48 Speaker 5: Angelo explained it to me. Is this Sopranos or Sopranos? Sopranos. 00:19:54 Speaker 3: I don't know. 00:19:55 Speaker 7: Sopranos? 00:19:55 Speaker 3: I've never watched. Yeah, I haven't watched either. 00:19:58 Speaker 5: So he's defending Christopher Columbus because his daughter, Meadow, comes in with the woke take on Christopher Columbus. So he's going, in this house, Christopher Columbus is a saint or whatever. But it's like, In this house, Lindsey Graham is a patriot. He kept it on the down low. Took care of his orphan sister when his parents died. Anyways, that was funny. The Trump meme. Here's Trump reacting to news that Lindsey Graham might be gay. Sod 18. 00:20:26 Speaker 4: Wow. 00:20:28 Speaker 3: I didn't know that. 00:20:29 Speaker 4: You're telling me now for the first time. 00:20:36 Speaker 3: That one was funny. I actually thought that was funny. 00:20:38 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:20:41 Speaker 6: Uh all right there we go so so yeah i think all right so i like to imagine trump nothing burger giving a speech at one of his rallies and he just maybe is like riffing on this just like lindsey he he always liked that ymca song even even before i made it a straight song even in the old days he really liked ymca i could see i could see lindsey what a guy. 00:21:07 Speaker 3: What a guy. Lindsay was different. We all knew that. 00:21:12 Speaker 6: But he never talked about it. 00:21:13 Speaker 5: Certainly not with me. Not with me. He didn't beat anybody over the head with it. 00:21:19 Speaker 3: Yeah. He was respectable about it. 00:21:23 Speaker 5: Anyways, so that's the story. I'll sum it up this way. I think Tyler's point is the best point, that if anybody had compromise on On Lindsey Graham, it was the Democrats. And it is very, very odd that he was so buddy-buddy with them. But apparently he was buddy-buddy with everybody. You hear this on both sides of the aisle. The grassroots, the base conservatives are really frustrated all the time. And we would attack him, but he was always congenial back. And he didn't die a rich man. So I don't know if he was just spending it all on extracurriculars or not. But most of these politicians, they end up dying with $ 10, $ 100 million in the bank account Lindsey Graham was not that way. I didn't like him. I think being a warmonger neocon who wants to bomb foreign lands is way worse than being a closeted gay man in Washington, D.C. So I just think it's coming. And I hope that the backlash is in Darlene's favor. And I hope this puts her over the top and we don't have to talk about South Carolina anymore. Yeah, we would have preferred somebody else in the primary. She won. President Trump endorsed. So it is what it is. Microplastics are becoming too much of a problem to ignore. 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This is an article that was in New York Magazine yesterday. And it's about a new plague that is hitting us. It is the saga of, well, actually, a big part of this discussion is going to be, what do we call it? Which is old people, your parents, your grandparents, getting addicted to AI-generated slop. The title of the article is, No iPad Till After Dinner, Mom. Seniors are spending more time than ever on their slop-filled feeds. It is their adult children's job to save them. If you can find this article, it's very worth reading. I shared it around with you guys. There's so much appalling stuff, and it's just, it's describing, the opening anecdote of this is describing this guy, Jim. Once a week, Jim sits down with his phone, logs into his mother's Facebook account, and he scrolls through her feed. His goal is simple. He has to adjust his mom's algorithm so that anything that would be too upsetting or inflammatory or damaging to her or a scam gets filtered out as not interested. And then he has to like all of the generic stuff. So he's liking posts about Dick Van Dyke's birthday, photo albums from family members, maybe cute cat videos. And then he has to, he has to block. It literally says, uh, Obama fundraising pages, uh, AI generated men speaking directly to quote the older woman holding this phone. Cause they have so much information on you. There's so much stuff. And he discovered it's really appalling. Like it describes his mom. He starts noticing she's having problems and he thinks she might have dementia, but when she goes into the doctor, she's actually fine. But it's when she has her phone, which is all the time. It's totally frying her brain. At one point it describes she would pull out her phone to show family members a photo and forget after pulling the phone out why she did that. She opens Facebook and they start scrolling the feed right there with the family watching. It's another one he describes his mom always being exhausted and then he notices that she's scrolling on her phone at 2 a.m. in the morning, night in, And night out. Guys, we have a problem. Social media addicts are here. And it's not four-year-old toddlers. It is boomers. It is your old parents. They're getting fried. And so we need to discuss how bad this is. Have you seen this in real life? 00:27:05 Speaker 3: Yes. 00:27:05 Speaker 6: And then the most important discussion is what do we call these people? Because I can think of about ten really good names. 00:27:10 Speaker 7: Well, I love that they're calling in this article. I love that in this article they're calling them screenagers. 00:27:16 Speaker 6: Screenagers is a funny one. 00:27:17 Speaker 3: Screenagers is funny. 00:27:19 Speaker 6: I kind of like Boom Scrolling is what they do. Boom Scrolling is funny. Like Doom Scrolling. iPad Parents is a fun one. 00:27:30 Speaker 7: I think the craziest part about this is this is just the next evolution of old people on social media. Because I've been dealing with this with my parents for years now. And it started with just Facebook articles by random people or, you know, don't believe everything you see on Facebook. And now that we're getting into the AI generation of everything, now you're seeing it even explode even more with actual like video content outside of even just article content. 00:28:02 Speaker 6: I mean, it's really disturbing because you'll see it's like the incredibly low effort stuff. I know people, they'll joke about this. For example, it'll be one of those like fake things like this farmer out of farmers, like grew a pumpkin. That's the size of the house. And then hundreds of comments like hearting it and going like, Oh my gosh, that's so beautiful. Or like, A dog that saves a baby, and it's totally AI-generated garbage. 00:28:26 Speaker 3: TikTok is insane with this right now, too. 00:28:27 Speaker 7: TikTok is now doing these AI-animated short series that it's just animals that are talking. It's like Zootopia, essentially, but just on your phone. And the AI slop is just insane. And I understand why. 00:28:47 Speaker 7: Like we're seeing a, just a boom in older people because a lot of them are in nursing homes too. Like a lot of them just have no, nothing to do, uh, like at all. Like they have so much time. 00:29:00 Speaker 6: It's going to get, it's going to genuinely get so bad. And this is why I think it's a compelling topic is that like scams, for example, I've always preyed on old people. A lot of us have worried that like, if you look at political fundraising, emails are a great way to see where things are headed and, because they're way less regulated because we can't really restrict political speech as much and so many of them are essentially like they resemble scams they they look like government forms they might have ai generated they have statements attributed to someone like president trump or barack obama or whoever. 00:29:34 Speaker 7: Trying to buy a maga hat back for election and going on the trump stuff, dude, that whole website felt like a scam. 00:29:44 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:29:44 Speaker 7: It was so hard to just try to figure out what page. 00:29:47 Speaker 6: And it's getting so much more uncorked. We're going to just have, I just think we're going to get horror story after horror story of like, my parents ended up selling their house after getting tricked by an AI thing. In this article, they talk about a guy's like, my dad is addicted to AI slop on YouTube. And he has an AI doctor telling him to not take his blood pressure medication. 00:30:11 Speaker 7: Now, here's an interesting– this is a line from this article. For many iPad parents, though, social media isn't simply a way to pass time. It creates a numbing world outside of whatever pain, discomfort, and grief they are faced with in old age. The interesting part about that is I think the reason we are seeing this become so prevalent with older people is because we as a society have become so interested in numbing. so interested in disconnecting. And so we want to disconnect. We want an artificial reality to take us away from our current reality. We're seeing this with older people, and it's just a bellwether of what we in society are already doing in different ways. 00:31:04 Speaker 3: It's terrible. 00:31:06 Speaker 5: Well, this reminds me of... You know, a lot of instances throughout history where a new technology comes onto the scene and there's just certain species that don't have a natural defense to it. Like you think of the dodo birds, right? The ships would just come in and they would just let the sailors kill them. Or, you know, honestly, this is kind of a morbid example. And I don't mean any disrespect. But when the settlers came into North America from Europe and they brought all the disease with them that, you know, it's like there's just no natural defense to these things. So you do have to take care of your seniors. I also think this is a a indication that, you know, I don't really love the idea of my parents getting older and living far away from me, so I can't take care of them. But when they're away from you, then their lives tend to be less full. And I think that's it's kind of a I don't know, an indictment of modern culture and the way families tend to separate and they don't live in clusters anymore. Because if they had stuff to do, if they had grandkids around, they'd spend less time doom scrolling and looking at AI slop. So it's all not good, but they just don't have any natural defenses to it. But my suggestion to people would be– I kind of remember this too with Facebook. You remember when Facebook was just college kids? I'm old enough for this. It was college. 00:32:21 Speaker 6: It's like even a decade ago my friend would joke that he's like, Blake. Facebook is not for any young people anymore. The main profit driver of Facebook, this is 2015, is so boomers can share anti-Obama memes. And now it's like we still have that, and then we also have. 00:32:37 Speaker 5: Yeah, but TikTok's about to fall. It'll be Instagram and then TikTok, and then they'll have to find a new young person app. 00:32:43 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:32:44 Speaker 6: Honestly, I love these ones. I do get a slight kick out of how incoherent and bizarre they are. Put up 21. This is one that went viral the other day. It's one of these, infinity of these on Facebook. The Looney Tunes Fans Club. Some AI crap. And it's just an AI-generated image with one of those motivational things that normies like to share. It's like, anxiety wasn't an excuse to stay home. You woke up tired, drank a cup of coffee, and went to work anyway. Because you're, and then it has AI misspellings. You finally had to eat. And it's Yosemite Sam... but as a working man taking his lunch pail so that he can feed his family of Elmer Fudd, who he impregnated with two baby Bugs Bunnies. Gotta love how AI works. 00:33:26 Speaker 5: That's a little less than hetero. 00:33:29 Speaker 6: It is, I know, and yet people are sharing this all over on Facebook and everywhere else. One thought-crum idea. This is bad and jarring, and yet this has actually been happening for ages. I think about... What's the number of older people you've interacted with who have a news channel on 24-7 all day? Just running in the background. Whether it's Fox or CNN or MSNBC or MSNOW or News Nation, anything. A lot of people are like that. 00:34:01 Speaker 3: If it's not sports, it's the news. 00:34:04 Speaker 7: Every time I went back to Minnesota, any time we went to any of the cousins' houses, any of the aunts or uncles', whatever. 00:34:11 Speaker 5: Always. 00:34:11 Speaker 7: They always had Fox on. 00:34:13 Speaker 3: Yep. 00:34:13 Speaker 4: Always. 00:34:14 Speaker 6: And not even just Fox. If you look at. 00:34:16 Speaker 3: I feel like this goes. 00:34:18 Speaker 6: It goes viral pretty often, for example, that a large chunk of alcohol is consumed by a small percentage of the population, and then they drink a lot. 40% of people never drink. Another 30% only do it once every two weeks. But then 10% of the population is just drinking fish, and it catches people off guard. Have you ever checked the stats on television? If you look at how... Retired people are spending their times. You won't necessarily realize this because when we interact with elderly people, we're going to see the ones who go outside. They go to church. They go to events. They help with turning point stuff. And so we get this read, oh, things are pretty well. There are so many elderly people, and this is really sad. What they do is they watch The Price is Right in the morning. and then maybe they'll flip over to the news and have that be running all day. They'll watch one of those handful of network television, and it's on all day. I don't see how that's really any better than the AI slop stuff, necessarily, when you're consuming it that constantly. 00:35:13 Speaker 3: I don't disagree. 00:35:15 Speaker 5: Tyler, is the Mormon community staying together and more engaged in family, less AI slop, or is it worse over there? 00:35:26 Speaker 3: I think it's worse. But we were just talking about this not that long ago. I'm actually kind of horrified at how few people have their parents close to them, like you were talking about, or moving in. Actually, I was just pulling this up, and I've seen this. There's a lot of studies that have been done that talk about how your life expectancy increases if you actually live with adult children. 00:35:51 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:35:52 Speaker 3: And it makes sense. Like you just brought up, Andrew, you're more fulfilled, all those things. 00:35:59 Speaker 6: So I think if you're living with adult children. 00:36:02 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:36:03 Speaker 6: And is that in the sense that you live with your kids who have left or if you have neat children who stay with you? 00:36:08 Speaker 3: No, no, no. So you move back in with your kids. 00:36:13 Speaker 5: Your kids have a house and you move in with them. 00:36:15 Speaker 6: Okay. 00:36:15 Speaker 3: All right. And so actually this is one of the things we were talking about is so few people actually do that now. So most people– that's making me wonder if the numbers are right because I think there are– at this point, there's probably more parents who are hosting like 20-something. 00:36:30 Speaker 6: Kids who haven't– So this is my theory. 00:36:32 Speaker 5: No, but you've got to think about like 40-year-old kids. 00:36:34 Speaker 3: No, but this is my theory. My theory is because parents are keeping kids longer, their capacity and propensity to take in their parents is lower. Okay. Does that make sense? So like if you're going to have kids in your house that are not leaving until they're 45– that's about the exact same time that your parents need to be taken in. 00:36:57 Speaker 6: I don't even think it's that. I think it's probably just straight up we're more atomized as people. We have fewer siblings overall. 00:37:06 Speaker 3: But my parents are the perfect example of this. My parents could not... I still have a younger sibling that lives with my parents. Now, he's dramatically younger than me. My mom had a baby way late, when I was 20. But Regardless, because they have a kid at home, they're far less likely to take in one of their parents into their house. Because I just know. Not to throw my parents under the bus and hopefully not listen to this and get offended by it. But I just don't think. 00:37:37 Speaker 5: But it works both ways, Tyler. 00:37:39 Speaker 3: I think if you have a gap... If. 00:37:40 Speaker 5: You're not having kids until you're. 00:37:43 Speaker 3: 40, then... Well, that's what I'm saying. So my mom had... My mom had me early, but she had a baby super late. So, therefore, she still has a kid that's in his late teens, early 20s at home, right? So, she's... So, to your point, exactly. Like, if you're not starting to have a family until you're 40, you're going to have kids that are the same age as my littlest brother, which means that you're going to want to break after having kids in the house to take in your parents into the house and take care of them because you're going to feel like you just got done. 00:38:12 Speaker 5: Yeah, because. 00:38:13 Speaker 3: So I think what society used to do is you had kids earlier. They got out earlier. You had years alone in the house. You kind of got bored. 00:38:21 Speaker 5: But also, kids didn't move around as much. Kids didn't move around as much. 00:38:25 Speaker 3: Well, your kids were near. But my point is that when you have nothing going on and you're kind of bored and your parents age to the point where it's like, we should take them in and take care of them, that's not happening as much anymore. Because I think, number one, technology... uh, you know, modern luxury of, uh, of communities and, and elderly communities and things like that. But this, this issue of, I think people are just like tired. They're so tired and raising a family that by the time it's to take in a parent, you're like, I can't even imagine, dude, I haven't even had time to get on my feet. 00:39:03 Speaker 5: So I, and I would say in New York places, go ahead. 00:39:07 Speaker 3: Well, I was just going to say this cause you asked about, uh, you know, the LES community or, Christian communities, I think a lot of people are facing this. And to that point, because parents are by themselves now so much, they're watching a lot more TV. They have the iPad out. Like they're becoming like iPad kids as as senior citizens because they're they're being basically babysat instead of instead of necessarily being like around the family where like again in the 50s 60s 70s 80s for the most part parents move back in with their kids and then what do you do all day you're going to the zoo with the kids you're going to the park every single day or going on walks you're walking the dog you're the person that's like cooking food like a lot of grandma's We're in the house cooking food. You're not doing any of that anymore. 00:39:53 Speaker 6: I just got reminded this part of the article is really jarring. And I think one of the aspects of your parents getting older is you sort of reenact how your parents raised you in some ways. And honestly, it's a somewhat moving part of caring for aging parents. But it's describing this woman, Sandy, and then her mother-in-law, Nora, who she's caring for. And it says, at first, she tried to spend hours on her mom's YouTube going, like, do not recommend and trying to shut down all the slop that her mother-in-law was going for. Eventually, though, they came up with a better idea. They signed Nora up for a supervised teenager account on YouTube. They got her a child's account on YouTube so that Sandy can oversee it directly. 00:40:36 Speaker 3: Perfect. 00:40:37 Speaker 6: And just has to approve every video that her mom is going to watch. 00:40:41 Speaker 3: And that's, obviously, that's the. 00:40:44 Speaker 7: we've talked about this when we've talked about kids and media, that's the, that's the solution, honestly. But also even to, to Tyler's point, I think a lot of this also then goes back to the cost of living, the inflation, it, all of this, where the barrier to, of, of entry into kind of society and being able to do kind of what your parents did when they were younger and starting their families. That is all higher. And so to your point, by the time you're actually getting connected and you're ready and you're starting to have kids, now we're having kids older. And then all of a sudden now you're having kids in the house later. And so then by the time you're around that age that parents would be coming in, you're like, no, I want to be an empty nester. 00:41:39 Speaker 3: I mean, look, the average age probably for people that need to take parents in is probably right around 50. Right? 50, 55. Somewhere around there. 00:41:50 Speaker 7: I'd probably say 60. 00:41:53 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, yeah, probably between. 00:41:54 Speaker 6: Depending on their health. 00:41:55 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah. 00:41:55 Speaker 3: Depending on their health. Probably about 80. So, I mean, but again, if people are having kids when they're mid-30s, 40, you know, that means that. They're in there at the same time. You're in your 40s, maybe. Right? 00:42:06 Speaker 5: Like. 00:42:09 Speaker 3: I mean, that's crazy. So that throws all of societal... It throws it all out of balance. But that's like, this is what throws societal norms all out of whack, right? Like, if everybody's doing something a different way, which they are now from what they were 50 years ago, 50 years ago, you had all your kids and basically your early to mid-20s for the most part. And again, there's some exceptions, but by the time you're 30, you're done having kids. And your kids are out by the time you're 50, and then You have basically 10 years to hang out, and then your parents move in. Now you don't even have kids out of the house by the time you're in your mid-40s, and your parents already need to be taken in. That's a crazy difference. 00:42:53 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:42:54 Speaker 3: And so, yeah, this is crazy. 00:42:55 Speaker 5: Yeah, but I think maybe we're just, like, overcomplicating it, though. I think Blake's right. Like, we are more atomized. All these things contribute, but, like, what if it's just access? 00:43:05 Speaker 3: It's just. 00:43:06 Speaker 5: I mean, even my– both my dad and his wife both have iPads. And when I go visit them, they're always on their iPads. 00:43:14 Speaker 6: We have one of our– That's my point, though. 00:43:15 Speaker 5: Technology is just. 00:43:17 Speaker 3: But, I mean, and again, yeah, totally. There's younger grandparents in particular who are getting, like, hooked on, like, the iPad culture and all that stuff, like, early. But I'm talking about, like– So, yeah, I mean, some of these people are retiring way too early, by the way. Like, I think that– I think that, I think it's a huge, that's true. I think it's a huge mistake for, for men to be retiring at like 60 to 62. I think that's insane. Um, but like, you know, that's contributing to it because it's like, what are you doing with your life? You should be actively doing stuff at that age to keep your, your mind sharp and your body fit and things like that. But then again, it's beyond that. Cause it's like when they're getting kind of old and then they've, they've built the, developed those habits and, it's going to get worse. 00:44:03 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:44:03 Speaker 3: Like everything we're seeing now is going to be worse. Yeah. Especially with like microchipping people. Well, they're going to microchip all these like your link people. 00:44:13 Speaker 6: I mean, people say a lot like, Oh, like boomers are vulnerable because they just didn't grow up with AI and they're not used to it. But I think a lot of this is just straight up cognitive decay and it's not, and maybe a little bit of element of, I think, we're very used to the idea that young people can mess up their lives by trying a new thing or getting hooked on it. And I think, I think older people like to believe that they're fully autonomous and not as vulnerable to that. And what I can say is I've seen over and over is, It's actually really easy to fall into a bad rut if you're older, and it's harder to break out of these. You're less elastic as a person. So really, a dark takeaway from this is you need to be policing your family members. And like, is this happening? Because if it is, you want to get them out of it earlier rather than later. It's so horrifying here. What's really funny in this article, by the way, that woman who signed her mother-in-law up for the YouTube thing, it's even describing she did this in secret and then she's sneaking into this account and liking videos and saving them to watch later. And then her mom later is finding these and being like, oh, look at this thing that I found. It's like, it allows her mom to preserve a sense of autonomy, but she must keep it secret. 00:45:21 Speaker 3: Yeah, but they already, you already can get influenced by sending them stuff every day. Like anything you send your parents on YouTube, they'll watch. Sure. So it's like, You can already do that. Okay, whatever. That person's weird, but you can already do that. My question for you is, how do you break this? How are we going to pull old people off of this? What do you give them to do? I don't know what we are. 00:45:47 Speaker 6: I think we might be going to New Orleans. It's going to be bad. Everyone's just going to be fried. 00:45:51 Speaker 3: New Orleans is going to be awful. There's no way. 00:45:53 Speaker 5: Here's the thing. Here's the thing. We're being a little bit, I think, Blake's saying that it's cognitive decline and all this stuff, decay. But really, it's the same proclivities. Old people show the same proclivities that young people do with video games or doom scrolling or TikTok-ing or social media or screen time. I think the surprise is that you think old people are going to be more virtuous or more self-controlled. And the truth is, to your point, Blake, their minds are less elastic and there's less to distract them from. So if they are... retired then they've got more time at home just to kind of like waste the days away and i think you combine all those factors and it makes complete sense that so many older people would be getting you know stuck on facebook with ai slop and just kind of stuck to their ipads the technology is completely accessible i don't less distractions less things to do less things to do in the day and they're. 00:46:45 Speaker 7: Retired i don't think you can but it's the same proclivities everybody has i don't think you can put doom scrolling and video games in the same category though because at least with with video games There's been studies that show that old people actually have cognitive. 00:46:56 Speaker 5: It's anything that's an endorphin release. 00:46:58 Speaker 3: It helps. 00:46:59 Speaker 5: No, but it's anything that's an endorphin release. 00:47:01 Speaker 6: The funniest thing about video games is we have doom scrolling ruining video games in the sense that people don't want to work up the mental effort to play games. 00:47:11 Speaker 4: True. 00:47:11 Speaker 6: So instead, they watch other people on the internet play games. 00:47:15 Speaker 7: Yes, and this is why the personalization of tech in iPads and tablets in how much the phone can do has been a degradation to society. And with video games, because video games used to be used, it's used for veterans who've lost limbs and are trying to reprogram, like repossess. 00:47:35 Speaker 3: Their fingers and everything. So I have a really, I have a really good point with this too, is just the same. We're like basically millennials. Cause millennials are basically the ones that started the trend of watching other people play video games. because they're too lazy to actually play video games. 00:47:49 Speaker 6: Yeah, and they are kind of the cuck generation. 00:47:51 Speaker 3: Most millennials, and me included, I actually find video games interesting, but I don't actually have the time or interest to commit to it. 00:48:04 Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying. If you're retired, you will. 00:48:06 Speaker 3: But this is not any different than sports, in my opinion. This is the same thing for watching football and getting super into football and all the stuff like that. It's just different versions of that. 00:48:16 Speaker 7: 100%. 00:48:17 Speaker 3: I think it's going to get way worse because, again, people are going to get microchipped. They're going to have the Neuralink, and they're not going to leave their house. They're not going to do very much. They're not going to have very many experiences. And as they get older, they're just going to live vicariously through other people, watching them experience everything from vacations to rides at Disneyland to whatever it is, all of those things. 00:48:42 Speaker 4: Yep. 00:48:45 Speaker 5: An important message from Noble Gold Investments. November 3rd, control of Congress is on the line, and whatever happens, your savings are going to feel it. If Democrats take power, we could be looking at years of gridlock, followed by the same policies that fueled inflation before. More spending, bigger deficits, and a weaker dollar. We lived through this already. 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You can always do better. 00:50:05 Speaker 3: Right, Blake? 00:50:06 Speaker 6: Yeah. If there's one thing women like telling each other, it's terrible advice designed to sabotage other women. 00:50:14 Speaker 4: It's true. 00:50:14 Speaker 6: It's very sad. It's very evil. 00:50:16 Speaker 5: And now there's going to be AI-generated versions of it, too. Well, should we play the clip and then riff on it? Because this is probably one of the more disgusting clips I've seen in a long time. 00:50:27 Speaker 6: Yeah, this is our old nemesis, Alex Cooper. We've talked about her before, right? I feel like she's come up. A handful too many times for comfort. But I can't remember because I don't watch her stuff. But yes, this is a clip from Call Her Daddy host Alex Cooper. And she's talking to Sophia Bush about why you should ditch your man. Clip nine. 00:50:45 Speaker 2: We can get really, really in our heads about, oh my God, I feel like I'm, maybe I shouldn't leave this marriage because can I even get better? 00:50:55 Speaker 3: And the answer is always yes. 00:50:57 Speaker 6: The answer is always yes. 00:50:58 Speaker 8: And this idea that it's too late or you're too old or who are you to want more? 00:51:04 Speaker 3: That's patriarchy. 00:51:05 Speaker 8: That is crazy. 00:51:07 Speaker 6: We don't need it. That is like demonic ideology in 20 seconds. That is insane. That is straight up. I don't know that I could produce a more... evil succinct version of what they're essentially spouting there like slick looking superficially beautiful people sneaking up and be like yeah blow up your marriage you can do better they're all lying to you if they say you can't do better it's really it's the patriarchy telling you you shouldn't blow up your marriage demons demons demons demons get. 00:51:41 Speaker 5: Behind me satan yeah behind me. 00:51:43 Speaker 3: Say here's here's what's here's what's crazy is like this woman is pregnant she's she's married. 00:51:51 Speaker 6: Oh yeah she got married that was like what we were talking about her last time. 00:51:53 Speaker 3: Yeah this is she goes and says this yeah this isn't like uh this isn't like uh. 00:51:57 Speaker 5: She she whored around in her 20s and then got rich and famous and then picked off some like you know some top elite male in her 30s after she whored around because she's rich and she's famous and she can do this so she's giving women all this bad advice and then she has the gall to sit down across from a lesbian by the way sophia bush is married to a woman to tell women to divorce their men. It's like you can't make up this situation. This scenario is too bizarre. Nobody could have created it. It had to happen organically. Now, Sophia Bush has responded on X. She says, The Manosphere is big mad over something one of their minions claims I said on Call Her Daddy. I don't know who she's referring to. You know, whatever. But their rage bait quote isn't something I said, nor did Alex. You're really telling on yourselves and how much you hate a woman with agency. Y'all, you are allowed to outgrow your life. What? You are allowed to be unhappy and make a change. You are allowed to get what you thought you wanted and realize you don't. Adjust accordingly. Man, there's so many takes here. Go ahead, Tyler. 00:53:14 Speaker 3: So I was just going to say, this just reminded me, because I went and saw that new movie, You Can See Everything. 00:53:22 Speaker 6: I haven't seen it yet. I'm seeing it Saturday. 00:53:23 Speaker 3: Oh, my gosh. You've got to watch it. It's actually so thought-provoking. The Theranos documentary. 00:53:28 Speaker 6: Nathan Fielder. 00:53:29 Speaker 3: Nathan Fielder. And I like Nathan Fielder. Obviously, he's a Lib. He's a Canadian Lib. 00:53:33 Speaker 5: What's the premise? 00:53:34 Speaker 6: It's a documentary about Elizabeth Holmes. 00:53:36 Speaker 3: Allegedly, Elizabeth Holmes. 00:53:42 Speaker 3: Husband contacted Nathan Fielder of all people to do a full, like who's. 00:53:49 Speaker 6: Who's never made a documentary in a serious documentary. He's like a satire artist. 00:53:53 Speaker 3: Yeah. So allegedly, and again, you got to watch the movie because there's a clip in it that, uh, it comes up about him, her husband being a big Charlie Kirk fan. So that, that's a whole, that's a whole, we should discuss it later when it comes out and we can play the clip and all that stuff. But, I was thinking about this because there's an element that's in this. I'm not blowing anything here for you. But Amanda Seyfried, who plays Elizabeth Holmes in, you know, a remake about telling her story, is it actually in the scripted one is actually in this documentary. So Nathan Filler gets her and ropes her into this whole thing. And you have to watch it because it's so interesting. But at one point, she gets in an argument talking about, because, uh, Elizabeth Holmes, uh, is very defensive and very much in love with her husband who people are accusing him of being controlling. Again, you'll get into this whole thing, but she expresses how much in love with her husband. She is like, she, she's devoted to him. She's getting, she's in prison for 10 years. She's devoted to him, everything else. And Amanda's Cy Fred, who is, is a liberal kind of witchy, You know, she's beautiful, but she's kind of live witch, feminist. 00:55:17 Speaker 6: She was in Mean Girls, right? 00:55:19 Speaker 3: In Mean Girls. She was in Mamma Mia. 00:55:21 Speaker 5: I've never known how to say her last name, by the way. Now I'm curious. 00:55:23 Speaker 3: Seyfried. Seyfried is the right way to pronounce it. I Googled it before I brought this up on the show. But people mispronounce it all the time. But she was so offended, morally offended at Elizabeth Seyfried because she wasn't, or Elizabeth Holmes, because she wasn't, feminist enough to stand up for herself against her husband who's out here outside in the real world you know doing all these things on her behalf and it was she was like so vehemently about that and then like wouldn't you know it just a few weeks ago uh Amanda Seyfried uh you know got divorced or broke up with her with her husband but it was funny because it's always people giving other people commentary like these feminists giving people commentary about how a relationship should work or that you're being mistreated or you're being whatever. And guess what that almost always lands you with? Being alone. The interesting part about what was said here by Alex Cooper is she is acting like, oh, yeah, the grass is always greener somewhere else. And when it's greener, you should go there. That's not how life actually ends up usually working. How life ends up usually working is you talk yourself out of jobs. You talk yourself out of deals. You talk yourself out of cars when you're on the used car lot. You talk yourself out of relationships. And that is actually the most horrifying part about, I think, what her commentary is. This is such bad advice because it's not the fact that it's like, oh, well, we can all disagree about who you should end up with and your right to go pick and move around and do whatever. The reality is the sadness of life and the beauty of marriage is that when you stick to it, you're, you're happier. 00:57:11 Speaker 6: And when you're not, but on top of that, one, you're sad and happier, but even if not, this is something Charlie harped on this so much that you are, you should not be like seeking happiness in life. And it's like facile fun maximizer way. 00:57:25 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:57:25 Speaker 6: You should be seeking purpose in life. And like one of the things about marriage is in fact that it is a way of binding yourself. It is a way of committing yourself to something and you get greater things when you can credibly commit commit yourself and what these demons on call her daddy are trying to do is they are trying to destroy every like strong bond between human beings because when they say you can always do better than your marriage if you are unhappy you can always blow it up and do better they are telling you never they're basically saying never actually get married for real because if you are not credibly committed to making that thing last for life you are not married for real There's also a. 00:58:03 Speaker 7: Sense of projection, though, too. These people are sad and hate their own lives, so they're trying to tell other people not to do what they did when it's really just like, no, you're the one who made the horrible decisions. You're the one who picked that. 00:58:20 Speaker 6: Well, a deeper thing that's going on here that I think is the fascinating discussion is, so they're basically saying, yeah, go ahead, blow up your marriage. That's going to be a totally great idea if you do that. Another thing went viral on X recently, and it's something that's old, but, and I've seen it before, but it got a lot of discussion recently. Did you know that women who kind of are in some sort of, you would, they would say sexual competition with each other. So like women around the same age and they're like both unmarried, they will, when they give advice to each other on how long their hair should be, they studied this. And when women are in some sort of competitive environment, they recommend cutting each other's hair shorter. 00:58:59 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:59:00 Speaker 6: Because on a psychological level, they know that longer hair is generally more attractive. And so they tell these women, oh, yeah, you know, bob your hair. You'll look so great with it. And they are sabotaging the competition. And I think a lot of this, like, go ahead and blow up your marriage. It's on a deep level. A lot of women, women do compete for status. 00:59:20 Speaker 3: Nobody hates women more than women. 00:59:21 Speaker 6: Yeah, no one hates women more than women. And, like, you know what's a good way of hurting your status as a woman? Having a failed marriage. Being a divorcee who can't remarry, not being a matriarch in your family. And I don't even know if they realize they're doing this, but they definitely are. And divorce is contagious. Did you know that? 00:59:39 Speaker 4: It is. 00:59:39 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:59:40 Speaker 3: It is. 00:59:42 Speaker 6: They get divorced and then they tell all each other, do it, like get on board with it. And the funny thing is like parenthood is contagious too. But you know, one of those things is a good thing and the other is bad. We should have good things be contagious, not bad things. 00:59:52 Speaker 7: You know, this was a conversation I actually had with my fiancee. She was doing a women's group, and she came back one night after it, and she was like, hey, I'm not going to go back there. 01:00:03 Speaker 3: I was like, why? 01:00:04 Speaker 7: And her whole thing was like, hey, like, it was literally the whole group was me and then all of these older women just crapping on their husbands. And she was like, I don't want to be around that because I actually like my partner. Like, I don't want to be around people who are just crapping on it. 01:00:21 Speaker 5: Blake is on to something really, really key here. So let's look at Sophia Bush's marriage history. She married Chad Michael Murray, and she was married from 2005 to 2006. She married a literal Chad? A literal Chad. She married in April in Santa Monica, and they separated, Blake, after about five months. 01:00:44 Speaker 3: Okay. 01:00:45 Speaker 5: So then fast forward to 2022. So it was a long, long break. So for a big, famous movie star, beautiful, flashy, all that stuff, she was unmarried for about, let's see here, 16 years. So she married the entrepreneur Grant Hughes in June of 2022 in Tulsa, Oklahoma. They separated after a whopping 13 months. She filed for divorce in August 2023. Sometime in late 2023, she started dating a woman, former professional soccer player, Ashlyn Harris, after their respective prior marriages ended. They quietly married in an intimate ceremony in upstate New York in summer 2025. So this is, I think, proof to your point, Blake. This woman has failed at marriage twice, and it's that cut-your-hair-short mentality where she wants other women to suffer the same demise as her other two marriages, and she doesn't want to be alone in her own failure because she's actually... secretly competitive on some level with everybody, with all women. She doesn't want to be in this alone. She wants everybody to experience the trauma that she did so she's not alone in her failure. I think that makes perfect sense, and it's disgusting. And she is a demon for doing this. And she should get rid of her trauma bond and want the best for people. 01:02:12 Speaker 6: Yep. That's really fascinating, Blake. Absolutely demonic. Zuzu, by the way, donated $ 5, said, Charlie always said marriage is the one covenant you make with a human being and God, and it needs to be taken seriously. 01:02:23 Speaker 5: Exactly. 01:02:24 Speaker 6: If marriage is not... This is why I harp on. 01:02:27 Speaker 5: I wish. 01:02:27 Speaker 6: This is a long shot, you know, one of the long-term projects. I wish conservatives... It should actually be a real project. What if we made laws making it harder to get divorced again? And I think, unfortunately, everyone would revolt over it. Did you know that in Arizona you can get a thing called covenant marriage where it's harder to get divorced? and almost nobody gets it. We have a state law. You can get a type of marriage in Arizona that just makes it harder for you to get divorced later. It's tougher, yeah. 01:02:51 Speaker 3: I don't know. 01:02:51 Speaker 6: I think it would behoove everyone to be using that form, and I think a lot just don't even have any idea that it exists. 01:02:58 Speaker 3: That's an argument we actually had in the office not that long ago of people arguing over covenant marriage, regular marriage, and then prenups. 01:03:08 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, we had the prenup argument. Catholics can't get prenups. They're not supposed to. And I think that's a big part of it. You can't go into a marriage with your plan that it's going to fail. For marriage to work, and this is how we messed it up with Easy Divorce, it's got to be tying yourself to the mast. What makes it compelling, the entire reason it works... The rituals that go into it, it is basically all a way of credibly committing your future self to something. That if you get everyone together and you get them and there's a giant crowd there and they all witness you promising you will be true to this person. that you will feel shame and humiliation and ostracism and ruin if you then try to blow this up later. That is what all of those rituals are meant to do. And that is what we need our law to do as well, to say that if you make this promise to someone and then blow it up, you are a bad person and society is going to view you as a disgrace. And that is why we need to tie men and women together or... Tie women to chairs, which is the other topic that Angela wanted to talk about that was marriage-related this week. 01:04:10 Speaker 5: Hold on, hold on. No, Blake, Blake, Blake, I want to ask you. Okay, let's just play devil's advocate here. Now, I'm a big believer. 01:04:16 Speaker 6: You're advocating for the devil. Definitely devil's advocate here. 01:04:20 Speaker 5: Women and men should reject this terrible slop. I think it's demonic straight from the pit of hell. If you find yourself in this, you know, you're frustrated in marriage, seek help, talk to a pastor, read your Bible, pray, ask God to save your marriage. Do not bail because some podcaster and some lesbian from Hollywood tells you that you can get better. OK, first of all, I just want to make that expressly clear. However, it seems like at the beginning of this clip, she is saying she's talking specifically to older women that maybe stay in a marriage because they're old and they feel like, you know, my my value on the open market is down. Maybe like I don't know. It's too late to start again. Now, what would you say? To a woman that is actually in an abusive relationship, whether that's physically abusive. Let's just assume the worst. Like the guy's a total a-hole. He's not treating her right. So she's tried everything. She can't get him to reform. Maybe he's an alcoholic. What do you say to that woman? What do you say to a woman who's in that position? 01:05:21 Speaker 3: So, I mean, I think anybody, the right answer is always people need to get away from people who abuse them. So like physically harm them. I think there's a huge wide spectrum. 01:05:32 Speaker 5: Of it, though. What? Let's say not physically, because you're right. That's an easy one, but I want to make it hard. The hard question is, okay, so he's not physically abusing her, but he sucks. 01:05:44 Speaker 3: Psychologically. 01:05:45 Speaker 5: He doesn't pour into the marriage, but he's sort of existing. 01:05:48 Speaker 3: Verbally, psychologically. So I read something. I can't remember what it was. It was last year at some point that abuse is actually way, way down. in america yeah like that abuse that's. 01:05:59 Speaker 6: Why they have to have abuse inflation emotional abuse there's two there's two there's two or three reasons i think for it i can't remember exactly what they gave but one is obviously marriage is way down so you could be if a lot of people yeah you don't have as much people that are feel like they're trapped societally in in something and so they're not uh willing to put up with that for as long But the second thing is like men, I think are just generally, you. 01:06:28 Speaker 3: Know, far less aggressive, far less abusive. I think that there's probably. 01:06:33 Speaker 5: Testosterone rates are down. 01:06:35 Speaker 3: I mean, I'll just tell you just from my own experience, and this is not scientific by any means, but I feel like I've seen like an equal number of abusive wives to men, men to women out of just my friends and close relationships and things like that, that I've seen. I think it's, fairly balanced that maybe not a little bit, you know, one way or another, but I think you. 01:06:57 Speaker 5: See, I've seen way more emotional manipulation from women, uh, and just like, you know, sort of more broadly terrible behavior. 01:07:06 Speaker 6: I mean, divorce makes abuse easier. I guess, I guess the divorce empowers that person who is more willing to blow up a marriage. 01:07:12 Speaker 3: So that's my point was that I think that because of the circumstances is, I think you actually have seen a dramatic increase in, In female abuse within relationships, I think the more that people, again, feel that the societal norms, you have to stay in a relationship, I think that lends to men being more abusive in all the ways. And I think in a society where marriage is just flimsy, it actually lends for women to have the upper hand in a relationship. 01:07:45 Speaker 5: But here's the thing. I think we're all getting really upset about this clip. I think we're all getting really upset about this clip because we're assuming the guy is doing his level best and he's trying and this woman is just like buying all the feminist garbage that you would see on Call Her Daddy. And the woman just gets fed up with him, bails on him. I think that's the thing we have in our head. But there are situations where you're. 01:08:08 Speaker 6: Kind of like... I think there's far fewer than people would suggest. Actually, I think if your spouse just has a drinking problem and the effect is it's just making them a loser, not that they're hitting you every single night, they might kill you, that is a different situation. But if your spouse is just struggling with an addiction where it is hurting them, I think you have an obligation to try your damnedest to make that relationship work. That is part of what in sickness and in health means in marriage. When you have serious problems in your relationship, what endlessly is happening is people are always trying to carve out these, oh, but what about exceptions? That's always going to encourage expanding them. The result that we're getting is, are marriages healthier and happier? 01:08:55 Speaker 3: No. 01:08:55 Speaker 6: If you check surveys, marriages are significantly less happy than they used to be. People rated their marriages as happier and better when it was really hard to get out of them. And I think a lot of that is because it gave you security. Right now, if you're in a marriage that's slightly rocky, everyone gets miserable because you're thinking, is my spouse going to blow this all up, blow up my life? take my kids away, take half my money away, make me move. I'll ruin all these things. When marriage was rock solid, you felt you had something firm in your life. 01:09:26 Speaker 7: It's on both sides. 01:09:29 Speaker 3: Marriage is hard work. Like nobody said this was easy. 01:09:32 Speaker 7: Like you have to know what you're getting yourself into and, and, and put in the work. 01:09:40 Speaker 3: And so I think that's where. 01:09:41 Speaker 7: It's like, if we're making divorce easier, What we're allowing for is that, oh my gosh, it's getting hard. I just, I have a quick way out. Like, and so instead it's like, no, that's why the church exists. That's why there's couples counselors. That's why there's all of this. 01:09:58 Speaker 5: Blake, I think that there's, that's a good point, Russ. It's a good point. Those things need to be first, the first things you go for if you're having a rocky marriage. But what about the fact that you, maybe it's, you're getting the wrong causation, Blake. Maybe it's not that marriages are less happy statistically because there's less sort of binding two people together and divorce is easier. What if women are just less happy in general? Maybe it's because they all go to work instead of doing work at home and raising the family. I don't think– I think that's often assumed. 01:10:28 Speaker 6: Women– I mean, the truth is women have always worked. It was like a kind of temporary thing where it was like a super middle class thing to have women– At home, like in the past, women had to work on farms. Do you think women on farms didn't flip and work? They worked like insane hours. I think people in general are unhappy. I think a lot of people are unhappy. That's the biggest thing. I think it is marriage more than working that we have made the norms around marriage so much less healthy and less conducive. to human flourishing. And a big driver of that is that they are easy to blow up. And the funny thing is, it's women who blow them up like 65, 70% of the time. They're the ones who push the button to blow it up. And yet I think it's murdering their happiness a lot more than it's hurting male happiness. 01:11:11 Speaker 7: Also, I think there's also something to be said that people are looking for perfection far more in today's society. They're not, not, it's no longer, Hey, I want to find someone. 01:11:21 Speaker 5: That has social media that has. 01:11:23 Speaker 7: Similar interests as me. And that, that, that I can work and that I can work together in this life and propel our life forward. Instead, it's like, I have to find the perfect partner. And if my partner, now that I'm married to this person, if all of a sudden my, my idea of perfection changes and now you're not the perfect person, Hey, I'm out. I'm going to pack my bags and I'm going to go find the next perfect. 01:11:50 Speaker 6: And shout out M.K. 01:11:51 Speaker 5: Brand. 01:11:52 Speaker 6: He argues women are unhappy because they're on social media too much and they are comparing themselves to things. 01:11:57 Speaker 3: I think everybody is unhappy because they've been on social media too much. 01:12:00 Speaker 6: Sophia Bush and Alex, that's 100% what they're doing. They're like, if you feel unhappy because you see on social media a curated version of life that you think I could have that, go blow up your marriage so you can pursue someone else's Facebook version of their life. 01:12:14 Speaker 3: But that's where the nastiness of making divorce cool is bad. Yes. Because of social media. Again, because you see both things. You see people faking a really happy marriage almost equally to the amount of people you see blowing up their marriage and bragging about it. But my fear is that the divide is wide, right? Where it's like a lot of faking that you're happy in your marriage because of social media. 01:12:42 Speaker 4: Yeah. 01:12:43 Speaker 3: Which also contributes to worse relationships probably. And a lot of people like, again, just like celebrating divorce and celebrating breakups and it, whereas it should be somewhere in the middle, which is, you know, talk less about fake less about your relationship and be more real and be more private and all those things. And at the same time, you know, you should work at it a lot harder and not be patted on the back for, for wanting to disrupt your entire life, your kids' lives, your family's lives, everyone else, your school, everything. 01:13:17 Speaker 7: Paraphrasing Charlie, but read your Bible and do the work. 01:13:21 Speaker 3: It's just, I mean, I'll tell you, it's just every marriage is hard. Every relationship's hard. Every, I think every friendship is hard. Everything, it takes work to maintain those things. It takes forgiveness. It takes, you know, all the beatitudes that are talked about where it's like you have to actually try and commit yourself and in a Christlike way with any relationship that you have, marriage is obviously the, the, the, the, the tip, the tip of the spear, the top, the peak. So it's like, you got to try the hardest, the most forgiving, the most kind of brokenhearted. And it's just people just, I think today are again, least likely to exhibit those Christlike attributes. And they're the least they're, they're less likely to be forgiving and, And they're more likely to dig themselves into a hole and to run from their problems and do those things. And again, the problem with social media is that it leans into all those things. Social media basically. 01:14:19 Speaker 5: Gives you an outlet for that. Yeah, I will say that the foundation of any society is marriage and the family, which is why the devil wants to throw podcasters at it and demean it and destroy it. By the end of the year, more than 60,000 babies will have been saved by pre-born centers. Just this year, 60,000 babies. And for every baby who's saved, there's a mom who's saved from a lifetime of pain and regret. Take a stand for life by providing an ultrasound for a young woman. When you do, she is twice as likely to choose life. 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We had three days in a row in Maricopa. county which as you know in arizona the way the maricopa goes so goes the state three drops in a row where republicans have won that drop so that's that's a good sign that didn't happen in 2022 but you have to keep showing up so that's that's the key jack where are you right. 01:17:36 Speaker 4: Now I am on the way back from the pickup mic in New Hampshire, which was just amazing. We had hundreds of people who came out. I think pretty much 100% students, maybe like one or two otherwise. We actually also had John Campbell from Pathage Press. who I did not know lived near the University of New Hampshire. He came by and he came up and did a really interesting question about his Derek Chauvin book. And so I got to, you know, do the whole, you know, Derek Chauvin thing there live on camera. And it was awesome. I'll tell you, they're driving around the Granite State. Saw a ton of signs for Johnson Nunu. I know that Tyler and Cliff Maloney are doing a ton of work up there. Obviously, there was the event. We had the event today. Then Caroline Levitt had the event last night at the other tour. So there's a lot going on in New Hampshire and a lot of investment in the Granite State that I think a lot of people are missing. 01:18:35 Speaker 5: No, I think we feel really solid about Sununu up in New Hampshire. That one really could surprise people, could be a dark horse on Election Day. And we're putting a lot of boots on the ground, a lot of energy in that state. And we have some more surprises up our sleeves. that we will announce closer to game day. Closer to game day. Do we want to go to the last topic? Do we want to go to the last topic for Jack here? 01:19:01 Speaker 6: We could do the EBT thing if you feel like hitting it. Otherwise, I'm going to insist on it next week because it is an amazing topic. 01:19:07 Speaker 3: We should do it next week. 01:19:08 Speaker 7: I wouldn't. 01:19:10 Speaker 3: We should give it time. 01:19:11 Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I wouldn't mind. I mean, I'll do it either way. I just want to make sure that we do Narnia when Russ is here. 01:19:18 Speaker 6: Oh, yeah, he's very adamant about Narnia. 01:19:20 Speaker 3: Yeah, let's do Narnia. 01:19:21 Speaker 6: All right, okay. We'll let you do your Narnia. We'll give you your Narnia, Jack. 01:19:26 Speaker 4: All right, well, Russ, why don't you bring us in. 01:19:29 Speaker 3: Since you're there? 01:19:30 Speaker 7: Yeah, I was going to say, let's kick it off by, let's play clip 14, which is the trailer for the new Narnia Magician's Nephew. 01:19:42 Speaker 9: Sometimes one story is the beginning of all the others. 01:19:51 Speaker 3: Is Mr. 01:19:52 Speaker 9: Ketterly really mad? 01:19:54 Speaker 5: Uncle Andrew? 01:19:57 Speaker 4: Mom always calls him a magician. Do you believe in magic? 01:20:03 Speaker 7: I don't know. 01:20:11 Speaker 3: Come on. 01:20:13 Speaker 6: Are you ready? How can I be ready if I don't know what's on the other side? 01:20:21 Speaker 3: Wow, look at all this! Magic is real. I am a magician. But see for yourself. 01:20:52 Speaker 9: There are other worlds. 01:20:53 Speaker 6: Probably hundreds of worlds. 01:20:58 Speaker 7: Even infinity worlds! 01:21:00 Speaker 3: What's this? Diggory! Don't do it! 01:21:04 Speaker 6: Come to me. 01:21:26 Speaker 3: Except for one. 01:21:30 Speaker 5: In the darkness. 01:21:35 Speaker 4: And the light. 01:21:39 Speaker 3: Have you ever seen a world born? 01:21:44 Speaker 4: And she's buying a stairway. Okay. 01:22:08 Speaker 6: First of all, first of all, first of all, after that trailer, I'm pretty sure like 30% of the population is going to think the Chronicles of Narnia, the stairway to heaven is an entry in the series. 01:22:19 Speaker 4: Yeah. 01:22:20 Speaker 6: Because that basically starred the freaking Led Zeppelin song more than it starred anything from C.S. 01:22:24 Speaker 5: Lewis. 01:22:25 Speaker 6: That's all I'm going to remember. 01:22:27 Speaker 7: It's just, why, why, who, who? 01:22:30 Speaker 1: So wait, guys, I don't remember. 01:22:31 Speaker 3: Why are we doing a rock concert? 01:22:33 Speaker 6: Rock opera Narnia. Rock opera Narnia. Set in the 50s with 70s music. 01:22:38 Speaker 4: Did we at all grab, I know we were talking about this last week, and there's a version of it floating around. Somebody made a, they took the trailer and, And they stripped the song from it. So they did it in such a way where you can hear the rest of the trailer, but without the Led Zeppelin music. And it is so weird. I mean, they're literally just being cropped up by Led Zeppelin. And for folks who don't realize, Led Zeppelin is famously very, very reluctant to have their songs featured in anything. And so this is like a huge, you know, it's the first time anyone's heard Led Fairway to Heaven, which is like their greatest and most popular song, et cetera, et cetera. And the fact that they needed that as a massive crutch to come out for their three, again, $ 300 million movie just shows you that number one, they are in trouble. And number two, there's also a lot of industry reports. And Russ, I'm sure you've seen a bunch of this. that there's a huge amount of turmoil both internally and externally about the movie, more so than I think we didn't even know about until after the trailer came out because it's just so weird. Even on its face, and you notice, I'll also mention, that there is no. 01:24:00 Speaker 4: Indication of Meryl Streep. There's no, um, platforming of her. There's no starring Meryl Streep in it. You know, there's no sound of Aslan. And I think they did that for a reason. 01:24:11 Speaker 7: I'm just going to say, well, so playing devil's advocate here, uh, this is a, this is the first, uh, trailer. 01:24:21 Speaker 3: This is a, a teaser trailer. 01:24:23 Speaker 7: So them not having, uh, Meryl Streep's voice makes sense. And especially, I don't think you're going to hear a lot of Meryl Streep in this movie to begin with anyways, because Aslan isn't really a, a huge, like, obviously he's a huge character in this book, but he's also not at the same time because he is creating Narnia. 01:24:49 Speaker 3: Um, it's just, if. 01:24:52 Speaker 7: Anybody has seen Thor love and thunder, this is what it gives. It gives Narnia, it gives crappy Marvel. Uh, and it's just, it's not good. It's not good. 01:25:05 Speaker 4: No, it's absolutely flop. 01:25:09 Speaker 7: Like the trans, the trans stuff is crazy. The idea of their, their, their giving Aslan a. 01:25:20 Speaker 3: Astral form. 01:25:21 Speaker 7: So they're trying to essentially take out this idea that like, Hey, this all started from like a big bang. So you're getting rid of like a creation, like a very creation element to this. It's just one minute. There's nothing. The next minute roar. And all of a sudden it all comes to life, which the problem is, is like creation has steps. That's like the whole idea of the Bible. 01:25:44 Speaker 5: And if you read the original creation into being. Yeah. 01:25:47 Speaker 7: If you read the original book. 01:25:50 Speaker 5: So wouldn't a lion, if he's the allegory for God, roar it into being. 01:25:55 Speaker 1: Yeah but god no but you know what russ no andrew wait wait russ russ what what he's saying is what uh andrew what russ is saying is that in the book aslan follows the steps of genesis in in the creation of narnia in almost the exact same way obviously there's differences there's talking animals etc but it's very deliberately. 01:26:15 Speaker 4: Following the steps of genesis it's not this like all at once. There's a Led Zeppelin song, rock opera kind of thing. It's totally flop. 01:26:28 Speaker 6: You say it's different because it has talking animals, but there's talking animals in Genesis, too. 01:26:31 Speaker 3: That's true. 01:26:34 Speaker 4: Fair. Fair. Fair play. 01:26:39 Speaker 6: It looks bad. 01:26:39 Speaker 3: It's too bad. 01:26:41 Speaker 6: I feel like Narnia should be a film. 01:26:43 Speaker 4: There is one talking animal. 01:26:44 Speaker 3: One talking animal. 01:26:46 Speaker 7: The, um, it's actually interesting. Somebody in the chat brought up like, why would CS Lewis, um, company, um, give the rights? Uh, Narnia got the rights in 2018. Um, or not Narnia, Netflix got the rights in 2019. Um, and then previously, obviously we know that, um, Walt Disney had it and then 20th, 20th century Fox, um, And then it all started with the original Narnia was the Walden Company, which was actually trying to do a faithful adaptation. This is not going to be that. That's for dang sure. 01:27:26 Speaker 4: Yeah, and in fact, Rush, that... There was even the family had actually problems with the Walden series because they said there was too much action in it. And they said having too much action in the Walden series was too much of a departure from the books. And what's really going on is that so C.S. Lewis didn't have any natural children of himself. He had stepchildren. And the one stepson was very, very involved. closely guarded the Narnia brand, the Narnia IP his entire life. And unfortunately he has now, he's not really, really getting on in years. And there's some questions that he may actually have dementia. He's considerably older now. And there are some real questions as to who, you know, who it was that was driving that, plane to get him to sign over to Netflix. And obviously Netflix is not, they haven't disclosed how much they purchased the rights for, but obviously it was a considerable sum since they held onto it for so many years. And no, of course there's no question. And so when you have a franchise like that, which ostensibly, right. If, if online streaming and Netflix was what it should be, then certainly Narnia would lend itself to a, a great streaming show. In fact, I would love to see Narnia as maybe like a series. 01:28:53 Speaker 7: Of, The BBC show that they did Narnia was fantastic. It was weird because there was giant puppets. 01:29:01 Speaker 6: I think that was like the 80s or 90s or something. I think I saw that as a kid. The beavers were just people in beaver costumes. I don't remember it that well. 01:29:10 Speaker 4: And the Marsh Wiggle, Puddle Glum. Puddle Glum is supposed to be this, he's called a Marsh Wiggle, and Marsh Wiggles are a fantasy species that lives in the Reedy Marshes outside of Narnia to the north as their way up in the Silver Chair. And famously, they didn't even bother trying to make him a fantasy character, really. It's just kind of, they got like a weird looking guy and they said, there, there he is. 01:29:39 Speaker 5: That's the Marsh Wiggle. 01:29:39 Speaker 4: That works, that works. 01:29:40 Speaker 6: You know what I want? I just had this idea that I must voice, or I will forget to do it in the future. So it's very controversial that they took this, the original set in like Edwardian England or whatever. And now they're moving it to the 1950s and making it rock opera. I don't necessarily hate that. I don't think anyone would mind if the movie was good. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I don't, I don't necessarily mind that if the movie was good, that would be a defensible change. It's still a retro thing for us. 01:30:03 Speaker 4: Yeah. 01:30:03 Speaker 6: But, What I think would be funny, if you made a modern-based Narnia, so the original Narnia, in which in the wardrobe, of course, take place during World War II, and they leave the city because the Germans are bombing it, and so they are evacuating children. What if we got a based version of Narnia that takes place today, and the Pevensies have had to be evacuated from London because London is completely overrun with foreign invaders who are anti-Christian and anti-British civilization, so their parents ship them to a country house in the countryside. 01:30:31 Speaker 3: Do it, yeah. Um, it's, it's interesting. 01:30:34 Speaker 4: Um, somebody, some, wait, wait, wait, wait. Somebody said, um, what if, what if they said it during COVID? So that was the reason that, that they had to like stay inside. And that's why they're playing hide and seek because it's COVID and they're not allowed out and they're, and they're all terrorists. 01:30:51 Speaker 3: So yeah. So yeah. 01:30:51 Speaker 6: And so they're lying in the mask in the lockdown. 01:30:55 Speaker 4: The lie in the mask in the lockdown. And then like, Wait, and then like Anthony Fauci is basically like the White Witch, and the White Witch gives– she gives– Anthony Fauci is the creepy uncle. You know? No. 01:31:09 Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's like– Dude, no. 01:31:11 Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, yeah. 01:31:11 Speaker 4: He's Grigger. Yeah. He's a professor. 01:31:15 Speaker 5: Uncle Andrew. 01:31:16 Speaker 4: Yeah. 01:31:19 Speaker 5: Before he ever stepped onto a debate stage or behind a microphone, Charlie understood something really important. that if you want to lead, you first have to learn. Charlie believed that ideas shape character, conviction, and courage. 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Lord of the Rings selling off the rights to a company that has no idea how to actually make a good film or good adaptation. And then you have Netflix doing the same thing. And it's just sad to see that these, especially since. 01:33:32 Speaker 3: Tolkien and C.S. 01:33:33 Speaker 7: Lewis were friends, and you're seeing the younger generations of these households... not caring enough to hold on or to give over the rights to people who actually, like, will take care of you. 01:33:50 Speaker 6: The Lord of the Rings music is reminding us that we've never gotten Tyler to weigh in on whether the Disney Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe adaptation was gay. 01:33:57 Speaker 3: It's true. It's not. What are you talking about? It's not. 01:34:01 Speaker 6: I don't know. I didn't think Lord of the Rings was gay. And then everyone comes along and they're like, it's the gayest movie ever made. So I haven't seen that movie in 15 years. Maybe it was gay the whole time, apparently. 01:34:09 Speaker 4: It's children and they're siblings. 01:34:12 Speaker 6: Yeah, but there's like fawns in it and stuff. 01:34:14 Speaker 4: They're child siblings. 01:34:15 Speaker 6: Yeah, but there's fawns in it. 01:34:17 Speaker 4: Okay, okay, wait, wait, wait. 01:34:18 Speaker 5: He was a little gay. 01:34:19 Speaker 6: Were Peter and Prince Caspian in the sequel kind of? 01:34:21 Speaker 3: No, they were not. 01:34:24 Speaker 4: No. 01:34:25 Speaker 6: I didn't think so either, but Tyler might. 01:34:29 Speaker 3: You guys all want to agree with that. 01:34:31 Speaker 7: Hashtag Tyler might. 01:34:34 Speaker 4: I will agree that Mr. Tumnus is a little fruity. 01:34:39 Speaker 5: He's got a tummy ache. 01:34:40 Speaker 3: Mr. 01:34:40 Speaker 4: Tumnus is a little fruity. 01:34:42 Speaker 5: Mr. 01:34:43 Speaker 6: Tumnus is a little fruity. We have another team for fawns. They're like satyrs, and if you want to look up what they're getting up to in the ancient Greek vases that they come from, I invite you to do so. Not safe for the show. 01:34:56 Speaker 5: I have a thought crime for Jack. I have a thought crime for Jack. I'm sorry. I'm just not offended at this still. I'm still not offended. I'm open-minded to being offended by it, but, like, I'm just... Now, if Meryl Streep's voice would have been heard, I would have been offended. So I think you're on to something there, Jack. 01:35:14 Speaker 7: Male lion, female voice, trans colors, it's all there. 01:35:19 Speaker 5: I didn't see the trans colors. It just looked very, like... Yeah, like astral, as you said. But it's like pre-creation. So he's speaking creation into being. 01:35:29 Speaker 6: Right, right. 01:35:30 Speaker 4: So what I'm saying is my argument is that they have tried. They saw all this coming. And here's the other part of it, because we haven't talked about this as much yet. Have you guys seen, Russ, did you see what the price tag is that they're saying that they spend on this thing? 01:35:45 Speaker 7: It's something like at least $ 300. 01:35:47 Speaker 3: Million, right? 01:35:49 Speaker 4: Yeah, I saw that as well. $ 300 million. 300 million. And by the way, that you, that price tag usually see that doesn't include the marketing budget, which is usually double whatever that was. And we talked about how I'm sure the song, you know, of us, we call it, um, Sarah heaven is going to be, you know, Fugo bucks to be able to get that. 01:36:10 Speaker 7: So here's what I'm saying. 01:36:12 Speaker 4: I think, I think they toned down the wokeness in the ad. I think they toned it down deliberately, uh. 01:36:19 Speaker 1: Because they were like, wait. 01:36:21 Speaker 4: A minute, he's doing what? Yeah, she's doing, right, right, right. So they're trying, because they heard thought crime and they saw Poso was out there and they knew Russ was coming and they said, all right, guys, we got to tone this down. And I think that that's part of the reason that you're seeing all of the turmoil now where like multiple executives have been let go from Netflix in the wake of this once it emerged how much money they spent on this thing. And they're going like, why did you let Greta Gerwig make all these changes to something? We just wanted, you know, a regular Narnia adaptation. And Greta Gerwig, by the way, has said things like she doesn't believe Jesus is the savior. That's probably not what you want from a franchise that everyone knows Corbett is Christian. 01:37:10 Speaker 3: That's the biggest thing. 01:37:11 Speaker 5: Kyrie in the chat says, here's what I'd say. I'm not offended by that trailer. But Kyrie says in the chat, sadly, Jack's probably right. And I fear that's the truth. I think I'm not offended yet. I didn't get offended at the colors. I think Aslan looks kind of cool. I like the style of the acting that I'm seeing from this. But I have a feeling you're probably going to end up being proven right because there's just too much smoke not to be a little bit of fire here. But I'm hopeful. Maybe Greta Gerwig was more true to the... spirit of the original text, the book, which I've read all the books to both my oldest kids. I haven't read it to my three-year-old yet. She's a little young. But I love reading through the books with my kids. So, I mean, I hope it's cool. I mean, I thought some of the imagery was cool. I thought some of the colors were cool. It was like a neat visual aspect to it, which is what I would expect from Greta Gerwig. But I have a feeling you're right. So I'm not going to fight you too hard. I'm just not offended yet. 01:38:18 Speaker 4: And I'm actually... I would agree with you that there are parts of it that I think are pretty cool. And that I kind of wish that all of that held true. But at the same time... when I have Greta Ger. 01:38:33 Speaker 4: I will say the one visual that I would push back on was seeing Jadeth in go-go boots. Did you guys see that? 01:38:39 Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't like anything. 01:38:41 Speaker 7: I didn't like any of the costumes. 01:38:42 Speaker 4: That was like. 01:38:44 Speaker 1: That was a little too far for me. 01:38:46 Speaker 5: That was a little too far. It's like Yellow Submarine and Charlie and the Chocolate Factory visited Narnia. 01:38:52 Speaker 3: Here's my... Yes. 01:38:53 Speaker 5: That's kind of what it feels like. 01:38:54 Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with that. 01:38:56 Speaker 4: Which is fundamentally not Narnia. 01:38:59 Speaker 7: My biggest hate on this trailer is literally in the first five seconds. 01:39:05 Speaker 3: It's the.... 01:39:08 Speaker 7: It's the wardrobe. It has no... It has no taste and no, like... style the way that the old one did britain no but like but like the old one had like character right and like we've talked about how modernity has really tried to suck all of the character and the color out and it's funny that they kind of chose this version of the wardrobe to be the starting point of this universe that is super colorful super like this whole movie is going to be insane like color-wise and everything. But, like, the wardrobe just looks, like, really boring. 01:39:49 Speaker 5: Well, when they enter into that in-between world, you know the in-between world with all the pools? 01:39:53 Speaker 3: Yeah, the in-between world. 01:39:55 Speaker 5: You know the in-between world with all the pools? That part looks super cool in this. I always sort of, like, struggled to imagine what that would look like when I was reading it, right? So they put the ring on their finger, and they go to this in-between world with all the pools, and they try and remember which pool to jump in. to get back and forth to that world. And I've never been able... The description that C.S. Lewis gives is kind of vague, and I guess your brain can kind of take it and paint it in whatever way you want. But the image that I saw here, I was like, that's actually a really cool imagining of what that world would be. So I don't know. I'm sure you're right, Jack, because if Greta Gerwig is not a Christian, which it sounds like she's not, wouldn't expect her to be one, she's probably going to screw it up. Because I do actually think you fundamentally... have to be a Christian in order to understand the spirit of these, these novels. So I'm, I'm concerned you're right, but I'm, did you, um, did you see this? 01:40:51 Speaker 4: Did you guys see the Jeff Snyder article though, from, from Hollywood? No. So Jeff Snyder is one of these Hollywood insider guys. He's not a conservative. He's not like some conservative talker, one of these guys who has a bone to pick. He seems just like a Hollywood guy. He's not an industry guy. He's not like some MAGA person or anything. And he said that initial cuts of the film were actually poorly received internally and And Netflix called early cuts of the movie awful and a genuine problem and said that they actually ordered heavy editing and scheduled reshoots, which obviously is never anything you want to hear on a production that's already got a price tag like this. So that may have been something that inflated the price tag even beyond what it already was. Yeah. 01:41:48 Speaker 5: So here's from that article. It says the trailer's dislikes have climbed to 65,000 even as Netflix touts 481 million views. Netflix has also fired Dan Lin, the film chief, who clashed with Gerwig over Narnia with a Paramount source calling the movie mega woke slop insanity and development at a streamer and development at the streamer Frozen. So a day after the first Narnia, The Magician's Nephew trailer racked up thousands of dislikes and Marvel jokes, a new report says things are just as rough behind the scenes at Netflix. So if people inside Netflix and Paramount Source, I guess, so Paramount maybe, I don't know, calling it mega woke slop insanity, that's not a good sign, man. You're probably right. Yeah, shoot. $ 280 million budget. Some saying the real number is even higher. 01:42:44 Speaker 7: Angelo and I have a bet on whether they're going to continue on with The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe if this flops. I really do think that they're going to push forward because I don't think that they're going to. I think at least the first movie. I do think we're going to get two movies out of this series. I don't know if we're going to get a third. But if this thing flops, it's going to be funny to watch them try to, like, spin, hey, this was a success. 01:43:16 Speaker 3: Here's the next one. 01:43:17 Speaker 6: I mean, the thing is, since it's a Netflix release, if a lot of people hate watching it, that's still people watching it. That's true. I don't think you get as much of that when it's a theater release, necessarily. 01:43:25 Speaker 5: That's fair. 01:43:26 Speaker 4: No, no, it is a theater release. 01:43:28 Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no, no. 01:43:29 Speaker 6: But it's one of the soft theater releases, right? 01:43:32 Speaker 7: No, it's going to get a full theater release. 01:43:34 Speaker 4: No, no. 01:43:34 Speaker 6: Oh, wow. I didn't know that, actually. 01:43:36 Speaker 4: This is the first Netflix movie. It's the very first time they've done it where they are looking for a full theater release. 01:43:42 Speaker 7: Sony has the distribution rights, I think, for the. 01:43:45 Speaker 6: So it could have a crossover with Sony's iteration of Spider-Man. 01:43:50 Speaker 5: So get this. 01:43:51 Speaker 4: I mean, they mentioned in. 01:43:52 Speaker 6: The trailer there's 100 million infinite worlds out there. They could do crossovers. We could, technically speaking, they could slot this into the Marvel Cinematic Universe. 01:44:01 Speaker 7: They're partnering to handle the international theater distribution. 01:44:09 Speaker 3: But, yeah, it's going to be, yeah. 01:44:14 Speaker 5: Well, so apparently Greta Gerwig has gotten outside editing help and they've started reshoots in August when reports said Netflix executives, not Gerwig, called for more filming after watching an unfinished two-hour cut. So, yeah, it does seem like all hell's breaking loose. And again, if you have Hollywood insiders calling it woke, that's a really bad sign. 01:44:40 Speaker 7: And this is also coming off of Greta having a good Like, good buzz because of the Barbie movie. Even though it was garbage, like, you're still getting good buzz on it. She got good buzz on it, so. 01:44:56 Speaker 3: Interesting. 01:44:57 Speaker 4: Yeah. 01:44:57 Speaker 5: Well, that's, yeah, I mean, that's really interesting. It sounds like it's– well. 01:45:04 Speaker 4: Here's the thing, though. 01:45:05 Speaker 3: To Jack's point– I'm so excited. 01:45:07 Speaker 5: Hold on, Jack. What if you actually– people like you that have been so loud and vociferous about this being a woke film or whatever actually get these executives to change course, reshoots, refilms, maybe they revoice it? I don't think they would do that to Meryl Streep. But what if they actually end up succeeding in re-editing this thing and it becomes good? I mean, that would be a good outcome for you, right? 01:45:35 Speaker 4: It would be good, but I need a re-voice. I'm sorry. Aslan can't be a girl. And what's weird is there. 01:45:41 Speaker 5: Was a leak that came out. 01:45:43 Speaker 4: Wait. There was a leak that came out as well where one insider went to supposedly one of the Narnia fan sites. it got this big exclusive saying, Oh, the Meryl Streep voice isn't very feminine. And she's doing a very masculine voice. And they're like, we didn't want Ashland to be feminine. We, we always wanted this gravelly masculine, you know, authoritative voice. And it's like, well, if you wanted a masculine voice, why not? 01:46:12 Speaker 3: Guys, guys, Liam Neeson still has a phone. 01:46:15 Speaker 6: We can give him a call. All I'm going to say is it hasn't come out and we don't know what it sounds like. And like women have voiced male characters in, In animated features? 01:46:25 Speaker 3: Yes. 01:46:25 Speaker 5: All the time. But all boys. To be fair, boys. 01:46:30 Speaker 6: I don't know. I would say it's probably going to be bad, but I haven't seen it, and it sounds like a weird, trippy movie. So you might get a weird, trippy-sounding Aslan that's not necessarily womanly. Who knows? 01:46:41 Speaker 4: Fair. Liam Neeson is right there. By the way, imagine what a message it would be. 01:46:46 Speaker 7: He literally just dropped the trailer for a new movie that he's doing. 01:46:50 Speaker 6: Who's he killing this time? 01:46:51 Speaker 3: No, it's called The Mongoose. He's killing somebody, but I didn't watch it. 01:46:56 Speaker 5: I think it would have been really smart to cast Liam Neeson because it would have created continuity between the Disney films and this one. 01:47:04 Speaker 6: Well, it wouldn't be that much continuity because it's taking place after the Disney movies. 01:47:09 Speaker 5: I'm just saying it would have been like connective tissue for the fan base. 01:47:14 Speaker 7: I mean, also, but also, Liam Neeson's voice is such a good representation of Aslan. Like, I remember the first time I watched the movies, and then I went back and read the books, and, like, you can't hear anything but Liam Neeson's voice when you're rereading the books. 01:47:32 Speaker 5: Um... So, yeah, I mean, if this becomes, like, a film that's trying to, like, lecture us about current events or something like that, I'm going to be really pissed off. 01:47:40 Speaker 7: Oh, it will be. We're in 2026, Andrew. Like, that's every movie. 01:47:44 Speaker 5: I'm going to jump on Jack's bandwagon here. 01:47:47 Speaker 7: That's every movie it will be. 01:47:50 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like. 01:47:51 Speaker 10: I mean, let's not forget that the Barbie movie ended with the Barbies signing a constitutional amendment that men shouldn't have rights. Like, that was literally the plot of the films that Greta Gerwig. 01:48:06 Speaker 4: Wrote and directed. 01:48:08 Speaker 7: Dude, the new Marvel show is rewriting who created AI. So it's no longer even Tony Stark. 01:48:15 Speaker 3: It's a woman. 01:48:16 Speaker 7: Like, it's it's everywhere it's it's just invading everything. 01:48:23 Speaker 3: Anyways i think that's a good. 01:48:25 Speaker 9: Place yeah well let's let's hope it's it's gonna be bad let's just deep down we know it's gonna be bad it's gonna be a giant boondoggle and they'll it'll be the wisdom in hollywood they'll come away from this and they'll go I guess people just don't want fantasy movies. 01:48:41 Speaker 3: Yeah. That's what they'll say. 01:48:42 Speaker 6: People don't want fantasy movies and they'll just green light 50 more superhero slop films. 01:48:47 Speaker 5: Okay. Here's the update right now, the trailer. So they're saying this is from barstool. It says, uh, it can't have helped. And they're talking about Lynn getting ousted at Netflix while not quite getting the ratio that some of the recent Disney properties like the snow white remake have gotten. It's, It isn't being well-received at all. Right now it's got 102,000 likes to about 65,000 dislikes with 70,000 comments, almost unanimous in pointing out that Gerwig took Lewis's naturalistic fantasy realm of forests, mountains, and fields, rivers, and turned it into just more AI slop, like the worst of Marvel. 01:49:24 Speaker 4: And one thing that I would point out as well is that You take something like Snow White. Snow White's been a story that's been around for 200 years, and it's obviously an archetypical story as well in Western civilization. Narnia, as much as I love Narnia, and as much as I can tell we all love Narnia, it has never been on the same scale of a franchise as like Lord of the Rings or Star Wars or anything like that. And so you really need to kind of stick to basics in order to have a movie that I think the general audience is going to want. And ultimately, I think they run the risk of just kind of falling into that same category of, oh, just another CGI swap movie if you don't hold true to those same values that made Narnia such a timeless piece to begin with. True. It's not going to stand out. It's just going to look like everything else. 01:50:15 Speaker 5: All right. Well, Jack, I think that's it for us today. We hope you guys enjoyed. We went a little longer than normal because Jack was– Caught in an airport. He's caught in transit. Thanks for holding it down, though, in New Hampshire with students, Jack. We appreciate that. Let's find out. Let's find out how Narnia is, but it looks like it's going to be woke slop. Dang it, Jack. I really don't want you to be right about this one. Oh, well. That's it for us today. 01:50:45 Speaker 4: Poso has always proven correct. 01:50:48 Speaker 5: Okay, yeah. Overtly pagan, Poso. 01:50:52 Speaker 3: All right. 01:50:53 Speaker 5: That's it for us today. We'll see you next Thursday. As always, continue to keep committing thought crime.