From the Archive: Charlie Debates Illegal Immigration with an Immigrant

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I'm going to get started by saying I'm an immigrant, and, well, I don't understand why you would want to deport all, like, some of my friends and family who have been working hard in this country and that, like, they're being persecuted right now, so. 00:01:50 Speaker 1: I just don't get. 00:01:51 Speaker 3: The whole process of it, and it feels like I'm being discriminated against even though I'm here through legal means. But just can you please give me an answer for that? And before that, if, like, let's say if I would come up here and say, like, I'm an illegal immigrant and I'm here trying to debate you, would you call ICE? 00:02:11 Speaker 1: I mean, Tom Holman would probably see the video and you'd probably go back to your true country. Okay. I mean, that's how it works, right? But let me just ask you a question. What is the fair way a country– and you're ideal. You're king. What's your name? Sorry. 00:02:22 Speaker 2: I'm Claudio, sir. 00:02:23 Speaker 1: Yeah, Claudio. And this is just a thought exercise, but it's very revealing. You are king, and you find out that there are 30 million uninvited people in your country. What do you do with them? 00:02:32 Speaker 3: Oh, in this case, I try to find the most humane way of sending them back to our country. 00:02:37 Speaker 1: First of all, I want to say... That's what we're doing. 00:02:39 Speaker 3: Wait, let me just say something. 00:02:41 Speaker 1: That's what we're doing. Let me just say something. King Claudio, long. 00:02:44 Speaker 3: Live the king. 00:02:46 Speaker 1: I'm not a dictator at all, but... Of course not. It's a helpful thought exercise. I get it, I get it. 00:02:51 Speaker 3: And all I'm saying is, you were talking about, like, in the past couple of people that came up here, like, America first, trying to get, like, the best for our country and, like, increasing the productivity and getting us to be, like, the best country possible, which I agree, like, I love this country. But a lot of this country is built on, like, illegal immigrant labor and it's it's definitely like a bad means but it's been a good result somehow like i'm sure you know people like you have friends from like home that own businesses that employ these types of people that are very productive and very very honest and just hard working trying to get a better life and a lot of those people are very close to me so It's just a very heartbreaking situation for me, but I understand. 00:03:33 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, but I mean, and you gave the answer if you were in charge. I guess this is an important, another important question. What should the punishment be then if you break into somebody else's country uninvited and stay there without welcome? 00:03:47 Speaker 3: Well, I really, I don't know what the punishment should be. I'm not a lawyer. 00:03:50 Speaker 1: No, no, that's okay. I'm just asking, totally. Yeah. Here's our position. is that it is against federal law to come into America, right? You're not allowed to come into the country without, you know, without invite. So that's against the law. So if we can do one of two things, and there really isn't, there's very little in the middle. There's some nuance, but we can say we are not going to enforce the law because, you know, we're just going to say that doesn't matter. Or we could say, look, the law is blind, and when you break the law, it must apply to all people. Now, I think you're a little different because I don't want you to loop in. So what country did you emigrate from? 00:04:26 Speaker 3: Are you going to discriminate against me? 00:04:27 Speaker 1: No, I'm actually not. I'm going to do the opposite, actually. Yeah. I'm curious. I'm Mexican. Okay, fine. But you came here legally, correct? I did, sir. Okay, great. 00:04:35 Speaker 3: Well, if I didn't, you'd be calling the police when you. 00:04:38 Speaker 1: No, but it's not a racial thing. If you were Polish and you overstayed a visa, then you should be... But hold on. You followed the rules. So you're exempt. The people that you know didn't follow the rules. 00:04:50 Speaker 3: True. 00:04:50 Speaker 1: So I divide America not into Mexican and white and Hispanic and white, into... rule follower, and rule breaker. And so when someone breaks our rules, there must be justice done. There must be a punishment. And the most humane way is you go back to your country of origin. We'll do it humanely. We'll do it correctly. But if you are not invited into a home, into a dorm room, into a living room, the standard applies to entire country. 00:05:15 Speaker 2: I've been telling you about Patriot Mobile for a long time now. And many of you have made the switch. This is for the rest of you. What are you waiting for? 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Yeah, I have, yeah. Who's going to clean your hotel room? It's us, yeah. But hold on. Embedded in that is kind of a really derogatory– they're kind of just like a permanent surf class here to serve us, I think that's really creepy and weird, actually. These are human beings. They're more than just kind of economic utility. 00:07:20 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, but in the history of the U.S., we first had the Italian and Polish immigrants, and they first served those jobs, and then they became economically sufficient. 00:07:31 Speaker 1: They were welcomed. 00:07:33 Speaker 3: True. But it was a different time in history. 00:07:35 Speaker 1: Of course, but I suppose the broader question is one of justice, which is that to what should a country do when your sovereignty has been so massively violated for a long period of time. And a country seeks to be a country. It becomes something else. It becomes a colony, or it becomes just kind of a random area if a country does not have loyalty to its own people. And if it has loyalty to foreigners or to an oligarchy, it ceases to be a country. So it's not the most popular argument. Well, actually, the American people voted for it, and it sounds cruel, But it's very simple. It's like, look, this is not against any of you personally, but you have to have the law be the first and last ushering of what a government does in this situation. And by the way, what I was saying about you, I'm getting back to you. You deserve to be applauded because you guys followed the rules. And it's not fair to people like you who followed the rules to all of a sudden have line cutters. Here's the equivalent. You guys waited in line, like, two and a half hours to go get a meal at a restaurant, and someone shows up and just cuts in line. What was the first thing you would say? That's not fair. And you would be right. And the same with immigration, please. 00:08:44 Speaker 3: Yeah, wait, let me just, like, add a layer to this, and then I'm probably done. But, like, let's say that the people that's cutting, like, in front of the line, like, that's, like, some of my boys, like, that I know, that they're being, like, persecuted, like, back home, them and their families, like, they're, like, drug-related, like, Wars and violence. And the only way out, like the only way they're not going to die or like suffer a very bad fate is if they escape and they break the American law. But that's the only way they're going to survive. 00:09:12 Speaker 1: So like, hold on, hold on. Two thoughts on this. Number one, if that is correct, we have a special asylum status that they could seek legally at a port of entry that they could go through a whole process. 00:09:23 Speaker 3: But if they're being persecuted, don't they not deserve, but it wouldn't be justified to cut the line. 00:09:28 Speaker 1: No. Secondly, well, it might be justified in their mind, but it's not justified in the rule administer's mind to make exception for it. But let me just, let me make a more important point, though. If we all of a sudden say that if you have a lot of gang violence and issues, I mean, like, we have a lot of gang violence and issues. Like, what are we talking about here? Like, we're a more dangerous country than half of the Central American countries. We're far more dangerous than El Salvador. And we could make an example, if that is the criteria, like, all of South America should be allowed into America. Basically, I mean... The idea is that at some point you have almost no standard whatsoever. And instead, here's my perspective. We should empower those people to go fix their own country. We should empower them to go make El Salvador great again, which is a great country now. Okay. Nicaragua, Honduras. Yes, please. Final thought. 00:10:13 Speaker 3: Wouldn't like a good way to start is like trying to lower the the demand for drugs in America? Because a lot of the drugs that are being produced and being fought over in South America are going to be supplied to the US for American consumers. 00:10:27 Speaker 1: Yeah, so how would you recommend lowering demand? 00:10:30 Speaker 3: I have no idea. What would you do? 00:10:32 Speaker 1: I don't know. Demand and supply are two different issues. The first part of demand is that way too many people get into, and I talked to my earlier point, they get into a thought pattern that substances are going to bring me flourishing, which I think is wrong. But Yes, I think, look, the drug cartels are richer than ever before, and we have more drugs legalized than any time in the last 40 years. So something doesn't fit. So obviously drug legalization is not impoverishing them. The biggest way, though, that we stop these third-world countries from being tin-pot despotic dictatorships is we have to stop subsidizing their oligarchy through foreign aid. And then, yes, you're right, the Chinese Communist Party is pumping tons of money into these countries. But finally, and I know this sounds a little bit cruel– is that I care far more about the suffering of Americans than the suffering of other people's countries first. I would too, yeah. And you have to. You have to look after your own people. You have to draw the line. And it's the old adage, right, guys? If your plane is going down, what do they tell you to do first? You put your mask on first, and then the mask on the person that might not be able to put a mask on, an infant or someone that might be infirmed. It's the same way as a country. We need to put our own oxygen mask on first, and then we can worry about helping other people. Thank you so much. I appreciate it. Can I get a hand? 00:11:51 Speaker 3: For more on many of these stories and news you can trust go to charliekirk.com