THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 125 — Red Button or Blue Button? MJ The Innocent? Shooter Selfies?

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Let's see who we have here, because going how. 00:01:45 Speaker 6: The Grinch stole thought crime? 00:01:46 Speaker 7: How the Grinch. 00:01:50 Speaker 2: Or normy mister, it totally works. 00:01:55 Speaker 8: You're a man of boring thoughts. 00:01:59 Speaker 7: No, it's like an on entablishment. 00:02:01 Speaker 2: And on that day the Grinches thought crimes grew five sizes. 00:02:07 Speaker 4: Okay, are we already getting into the JP Morgan story? 00:02:11 Speaker 6: No, no, no, no, no, we have a way more important topic we were talking just before we started, which is we were talking about probably I think this is like the most impactful video of the nineteen nineties, possibly the most impactful cultural artifact of the post World War era, post World War Two era, which is the Crossfire advertisement from the nineties. 00:02:35 Speaker 7: Hold this is how we got here. 00:02:36 Speaker 4: The studio goes, can we get a little cross talk with Jack because Jack's remote, and I was like, for some reason, it made me think of cross Fire, the show with Tucker on CNN back in the day. Who else was on that show? 00:02:50 Speaker 6: I can't remember because. 00:02:51 Speaker 4: But that was like eight when then you guys didn't even care about that reference. You were just like started singing a jingle to Crossfire. 00:02:59 Speaker 6: Yeah, because it was amazing. It was super important, right, yeah, you agree with me on this, right, Tyler? 00:03:03 Speaker 3: You remember me? 00:03:04 Speaker 8: Yeah, we immediately sang it together. 00:03:07 Speaker 4: It was it was literally harmony in here. They were trying to harmonize Crossfire. 00:03:12 Speaker 8: You get caught up in the crossfire cross Cross. 00:03:20 Speaker 9: It was. 00:03:20 Speaker 8: It was on every episode of. 00:03:24 Speaker 6: Double Dare I think, oh, is that where it's well, no, it was. 00:03:28 Speaker 8: It was on Nickelodeon like it was a kid's you know. 00:03:32 Speaker 4: The game or a show. 00:03:34 Speaker 6: It was you don't know Crossfire. 00:03:37 Speaker 4: I don't know. You don't know cross. 00:03:41 Speaker 7: Card? 00:03:42 Speaker 3: Did you? 00:03:42 Speaker 8: Did you not watch endlessly? 00:03:45 Speaker 3: Like Fire? What is it? Crosskelodeon? 00:03:49 Speaker 2: Was all Andrew. 00:03:52 Speaker 3: Raised me. 00:03:53 Speaker 4: I bet I know it. 00:03:54 Speaker 7: I just am forgetting. 00:03:54 Speaker 2: Andrew was raised by a wild pack of chihuahuas actually, and they never let him watch TV. 00:04:00 Speaker 4: So is it a board game. 00:04:01 Speaker 6: Yeah, no, it's not quite a board game. It's like a hungry Hungry Hippos type game, which is what I mean. 00:04:06 Speaker 4: It's like similar, Oh wait, does it have the little beam? 00:04:10 Speaker 7: Is it like little beam? 00:04:11 Speaker 2: You know, we got it? 00:04:12 Speaker 6: Do we have this ready to go yet? 00:04:14 Speaker 8: Do we have this ready yet? They don't have it ready yet. 00:04:16 Speaker 4: I was like the call from Kylie, which she goes, it's not loaded yet. Always yet. 00:04:23 Speaker 6: I said that at least fifty five seconds ago. 00:04:26 Speaker 7: I had a poor, poor girl. 00:04:27 Speaker 4: She's she We give her a lot of like last minute demands, and so sometimes I make the call for the video and I hear that in our ear. You don't hear it on on the other side. But it's not loaded yet. 00:04:39 Speaker 6: Yeah, well maybe maybe we'll get We'll get to it. 00:04:41 Speaker 7: He's very thorough about letting us know when something is loaded. 00:04:45 Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, well we can. 00:04:46 Speaker 3: We can. 00:04:46 Speaker 6: We don't need to effixiate on it. But the point is is Crossfire was important. It was extremely culturally impactful. It fit into the important millennials like geist, which is you'd watch it, add it would have an amazing song, it would make it look like the coolest thing ever. And then you'd actually get it for Christmas and you play with it for like five minutes and go, I just kind of lame, and then you became a jaded millennial who voted for Obama. 00:05:09 Speaker 7: Well, yes, that's true. 00:05:12 Speaker 3: Oh she. 00:05:14 Speaker 4: She said, it's loaded. Let's do it. Play the play the clip. Oh no, watching. 00:05:24 Speaker 6: It's not about it's not about the white kids. Cross Fire, cross Fire, cross Fire, cross Fire. And then they like explode. 00:05:38 Speaker 8: Yet the kids. 00:05:43 Speaker 9: The game. 00:05:44 Speaker 3: I actually got one. 00:05:46 Speaker 4: At one point. 00:05:46 Speaker 2: It was so bad, So what are we black? 00:05:50 Speaker 4: The board? The board was bad. 00:05:51 Speaker 5: The actual if you play the commercial, it was it's the greatest. It's obviously the greatest commercial of any game for all time. But the actual game t was awful. There's no one who still plays it. 00:06:03 Speaker 3: There's no. 00:06:06 Speaker 4: Like I thought this was the most important cultural artifact of the nineties ever. 00:06:10 Speaker 8: Wait, I just googled. 00:06:11 Speaker 3: Wait. 00:06:11 Speaker 8: I just googled Wait. I just googled it. 00:06:14 Speaker 9: Jack's right, I googled greatest commercial for any board game of all time. The nineteen eighty nine Crossfire commercial is widely considered the greatest memorable board game advertisement. Board game advertisement featuring high energy rock music, laser shooting gameplay and iconic streamline tagging. You'll get caught up in the crossfire. 00:06:35 Speaker 4: Speaking of Crossfire, Jack, so this so this isn't nothing. 00:06:38 Speaker 3: Whoa, whoa, whoa, dude, that is quite the same. 00:06:44 Speaker 9: Wait wait, wait, you want to hear the other four battleship dream Phone, which also was a big deal, the dream Phone and pizza Party. 00:06:52 Speaker 6: I just I decided to go bigger and I asked I asked Google just greatest toy ad of all time? And they listed several options, but they actually had Crossfire as one of the five, along with the original Slinky ad and the board game mouse Track. 00:07:08 Speaker 8: Actually, Noustrap was a big deal. Yes, but I can't and. 00:07:12 Speaker 6: We're getting some of the younger people in the chat are not familiar with crossfireiliar exactly. So all I'm going to say is going to have some accountability for this, and Russ you have to say on air, I am uncool and lame because I don't know what Crossfire was. 00:07:28 Speaker 8: Do you know Mousetrap? Dream take. 00:07:34 Speaker 3: Take Mousetrap is a decent splat Yeah, splat, I've never heard of that one. Shoots and Ladders, you guys, remember. 00:07:43 Speaker 6: Shoots and Ladders did not have any cool. 00:07:45 Speaker 3: Don't have any cool actions. 00:07:46 Speaker 2: But it wasn't that. It was just a cool game. 00:07:48 Speaker 6: Crossfire is a testament to America's greatest cultural export, which is insane commercials for things that are of middling quality. And we should be proud of that. 00:07:59 Speaker 2: Andrew, Andrew, So, Andrew, you mentioned something about Crossfire. 00:08:05 Speaker 4: Yes, yes, I did. Yes, Well that I mean you want me to is this is this segue to me? Yeah, I was trying to segue. So it is literally the sew I'm supposed to pick up throwing me the ball, I'm picking it up and I'm running with it. 00:08:23 Speaker 6: So yeah, Andrew had watched the ad, he would be like his brain would have received additional neurons from its power, and he would have caught the segue more. 00:08:32 Speaker 4: I would have a yes, but you know it's probably that I'm just shaken up. I'm shaking up still. 00:08:37 Speaker 6: I would be shaken up if I learned that I missed the coolest ad ever when I was a kid. 00:08:40 Speaker 4: So White House Correspondents Dinner, we should address it. Let's get it, let's let's we godd to do the thing. So there's a many things that we can talk about. We've talked about on the Daily Show. But in general terms, yes, I was there. Jack was actually the second person to call me and get through. There was terrible service in the room. But my wife was actually the first person to get through, which was which was I think, I actually a god thing because I tried to call her couldn't get through. She ended up getting through to me, and I knew she was gonna be worried about me, but we were all good. It was just it was a crazy experience because we got stuck under the tables, and I remember thinking the scariest part was don't make any abrupt moves because the Secret Service looked like very very intense, like which they should have, right, but it felt like if you moved abruptly that they might have, you know, considered you a threat and taken a shot at you, right, I mean, it was My first memory is I'm hearing glasses drop from the back of the room. I look over and I see a chair flying through the air. So a Secret Service agent had actually picked up a chair and thrown it, and that was pretty terrifying. Actually, then everybody starts diving under the tables. I'm sitting under there, and all of a sudden it curs to me, did I just was I just present for the assassination of President Trump? 00:10:04 Speaker 3: You know? 00:10:05 Speaker 4: That was the part where and you have to understand in the room, nobody knew what the hell was going on. We had no idea. We had no idea because it was so cacophonous that there was You were like, I obviously didn't hear what I was supposed to hear. And then I kind of think I logged like maybe a thump thump in the back of the room, but I really didn't know anything. So as soon as the coast clears and we all sit up and stand up, I looked. I saw Phil Weggman, who you've met Phil right before Tyler many times and he's with the Wall Street Journal. I said, Phil, did they shoot the president? And he said, I don't think so. I saw them drag him off the stage. I did not witness jd Vance going off the stage. So I was like, well, do you know if they dragged him off and he was injured, or if he was shot or what. And He's like, I don't believe he was shot, but I could be wrong. So for like twenty minutes, we're all in the ballroom trying to figure it out, and I think, Jack, this is what we talked about before or the show. What was the wildest part. Actually, it's just I'm standing up there and all of a sudden, within a moment, this is a room full of journalists, journalists on air TV personality, they all start doing selfies. I have this picture in my mind of like videos. It was two thousand people in this room, twenty two hundred. I'm not kidding when I say at least a third of them within like as soon as every kind of started rising their feet, at least a third of them were going like this taking selfie videos of what just happened. And there was no service in that dang room. 00:11:37 Speaker 6: I don't know, Like maybe no, I was getting texts from people who were in the room and they only were arriving a half hour plus. 00:11:44 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know if it was signal just funny. 00:11:46 Speaker 6: Because no, I think it's just it's underground. It's a bad well, I do think no. 00:11:50 Speaker 5: Actually, in all seriousness that when there is something like that, signal jammers will sometimes be employed. 00:11:56 Speaker 2: It's an EOD. 00:11:58 Speaker 5: Strategy for basically that if there's any remote control devices remote controlled IDs, R c I d's that they would, you know, they they would block signals just in case, just in case, you know, out of abundance of caution, if there were something that they would block signals to prevent it from sending, like a like a trigger signal or something. 00:12:19 Speaker 4: But it is also yeah, like I think it could be like both things are true in addition to all the obvious. 00:12:25 Speaker 7: Yeah, it could be like both things are true. 00:12:27 Speaker 4: But anyways, the point is, it's just standard procedure. I just remember, like, so there was somebody on the team that was like, you should do a selfie. That was literally what it took for my team to like tell me I should do a selfie from the room because it didn't occur to me even as I was watching everybody sor right. 00:12:43 Speaker 2: So now wait guys, and just got his gen Y card back. 00:12:46 Speaker 4: No, so check this out so I wouldn't have to. But I look up and freaking Brian Stelter had jumped up onto the stage like legit, like we had just know he could jump. He's a wow. I don't know how he got up, Maybe there were stairs on the said, I'm looking Brian Stelter's on the freaking dais like the ladder. 00:13:07 Speaker 6: Also, the real Brian Stelter was executed in Guantanamo. Of course, real Rodneys, the. 00:13:15 Speaker 7: Look alike the real Ron. 00:13:17 Speaker 4: I don't know if is our audience fold So this. 00:13:20 Speaker 2: Is this is an interesting thing, though, is that because I saw, like the selfie discourse actually kind of became like a you know, a. 00:13:29 Speaker 5: Topic trending online and people were saying, like, hey, no to younger journalists, if you're in a room where something like this happens, you're supposed to point your phone at the thing that's happening, not at yourself, which I admit I found that to be. 00:13:46 Speaker 4: It was interesting. I saw, yeah, I mean listen, there was like some journals that weren't doing like I think I saw Nora O'Donnell or whatever, I saw Margaret Brent Brennan, right, I saw that they just looked very very upset and distraught. 00:14:03 Speaker 5: Well you know what, though, I actually like I would actually kind of push back on some of the people who were like like hyper critical of the younger folks who were doing the selfie videos. Because when you you know, when you're on like TikTok and Instagram and you know even Twitter as well, X that those videos are very relatable when you know, with the younger audience, and those are the type of videos that they tend to look for for authenticity, and they look for that for a direct connection with the person. So I'm not saying, you know, obviously like if there's a something going on, you do want that footage. But I did see I do think there's like a generational gap here where it's like, no, they do want the selfie videos because they feel it has more authenticity than you know, you just like being behind a camera in a studio with the Chiron and like this is what happened, Like you feel like it's more real. 00:15:04 Speaker 7: Listen, Uh it was. 00:15:07 Speaker 4: We could have what's wild is And I don't think people understand us in the room. We did not know what happened. We had no idea. So you got all these journals that are like all they do is like watch the news all day. They're all in then because. 00:15:18 Speaker 6: Flipside watching it at a distance, which I wash, it's extremely obvious nothing happened because the camera is actually on Trump when it happens, and then they whisked advanced right away. They take a little while to get Trump out, as I think they take a little bit to walk him out there and stood right, But it was so easy for you to rewind it and see like okay, And so when I found out at a distance pretty quickly. 00:15:42 Speaker 5: Yeah, I actually the very first thing that I saw was just a clip of them whisking Trump out, like someone like came over at this place I was at, called my house and and was like, have you seen this? And I thought, just initially, I thought like maybe something had happened to the president way that they all swarmed around him, because that's all I saw. 00:16:03 Speaker 4: So so that was the other thing. He like went down and so people. 00:16:06 Speaker 6: Yeah, but they were there. 00:16:07 Speaker 2: They were like steps or something. 00:16:08 Speaker 8: I think, I don't know, but I thought they pushed him down. 00:16:13 Speaker 3: I don't know. 00:16:13 Speaker 9: I thought they I thought they were like trying to get him down low I heard it was. I thought I thought they were trying to like push him to get him down, because they weren't sure like that. 00:16:24 Speaker 3: The Yeah. 00:16:26 Speaker 4: Yeah, the war in Iran is having a devastating effect on the people living there locally. 00:16:34 Speaker 7: What most people don't realize is it's. 00:16:36 Speaker 4: Affecting everyone on the global scale as well, even if we aren't there physically. Every time a missile is launched or bomb goes off, tiny microplastic particles are being spread into our atmosphere, leaching into our soil and water. And guess what They eventually end up in our body causing harm. 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He's got a knife in his belt, he's got a gun looks like strapped underneath his. 00:18:41 Speaker 7: Arm, and he had a shotgun right where's the shotgun in this? 00:18:46 Speaker 2: I don't think magazze the shotgun picture, or maybe it's been on his face. 00:18:49 Speaker 6: He's got like a DreamWorks face. If you guys are familiar with that, he's doing. 00:18:54 Speaker 2: The Office, right, who's that character from the Office. 00:18:57 Speaker 6: Is it Jimber It feels more like I feel, yeah, Jim, I need to see his face. 00:19:02 Speaker 2: Guys, face, guys, not the not the weapons, the face. 00:19:05 Speaker 7: The weapons, there's the weapons. 00:19:07 Speaker 6: I just want his big his big, little resolution face glaring right out. 00:19:10 Speaker 4: Was actually helpful. I want to go back to those in a second. We'll get there in a second. 00:19:14 Speaker 2: We will. 00:19:15 Speaker 6: Yeah, Oh my gosh, he's got that's totally DreamWorks face there. 00:19:18 Speaker 4: It's just because he's like half black, half white, he's got he doesn't have an even smile. 00:19:23 Speaker 6: He's doing that like and like every dream Works character has that Shrek mega mind. Look at all the DreamWorks posters for me, I. 00:19:31 Speaker 5: Go, I go to Jim from the Office that it's just that, like you know, and and Jade Vance kind of did a similar you know, smug. 00:19:40 Speaker 2: For the camera when he was on at the debate that. 00:19:45 Speaker 9: Yeah, he looked like I think this guy told me like somebody that everybody's seen before. 00:19:50 Speaker 4: I thought, well, that's what I'm saying. 00:19:51 Speaker 7: It's it's the mixed race thing. 00:19:53 Speaker 4: And to the dream Works thing, it's like every character on any like animated thing is like always ethnically like ambiguous. It's like a you white white kids, and then everybody else's kind of no. 00:20:02 Speaker 6: I don't think you. Definitely the reason I see dream space they always have that smirk. It's like it's a way of showing that you're not you're not one of those basic just normal smilers. You've got you've got punk energy, you've got an edge to it, and DreamWorks. I always do that to show they weren't just a Pixar movie. 00:20:18 Speaker 4: Okay, that's the shotgun down there. Yeah, so he he he had it over slung over his shoulder. 00:20:26 Speaker 7: Maybe in that image. 00:20:28 Speaker 8: Remember somebody who was saying this to me one time. I can't remember what incident. 00:20:32 Speaker 2: I don't think it's over his shoulder. I don't I don't know. 00:20:34 Speaker 8: I can't remember what incident it was. 00:20:36 Speaker 2: I don't see it. 00:20:36 Speaker 9: But people people were saying to me, when people go in and do stuff like this, part of like their whole like yo anti hero arc that they believe that they're like part of is like that process of like getting booked and all that stuff, So like they're like at peak joy in those moments where like you've seen that a lot happen where it's like a lot of them have like sometimes you see like people look like they're shaking up and they're like they've lot, they've they're like have screws loose. 00:21:04 Speaker 8: But some people like this. 00:21:06 Speaker 7: Guy, this guy, this guy was not a quack in that sense. 00:21:10 Speaker 8: No, No, it's similar to similar to uh what uh to Luigi? 00:21:16 Speaker 4: Right right? 00:21:18 Speaker 2: You know what that's called though, you know what that's called. That's main character syndrome. Yeah, that's main characters indrome. 00:21:24 Speaker 7: Like all the narcissism of it is. 00:21:26 Speaker 2: Yeah, they all think that they're like the hero of a movie. And you see this, You see this with like a lot of Redditors. 00:21:33 Speaker 5: You see this with a lot of like people in that lane of you know, lane of country where it's just this constant like it's like they're performing for someone, like like someone's watching them. So I guess he took the selfie, and we don't know I think I read the affidavit. I don't know if he if he texted this selfie to anyone, which is really interesting to me. So it's like, did he take this selfie knowing that the police would find it and then show it later like like who's the audience for this anyway. 00:22:02 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know, man, maybe he just knew he was documented history. He was like, this is gonna be the guy that killed a bunch of cabinet members and should probably be like. 00:22:12 Speaker 2: His belt. 00:22:12 Speaker 7: Yeah, like I don't know, like a. 00:22:16 Speaker 3: Little planned like who just runs straight into a well. 00:22:21 Speaker 4: So this this, this brought up an interesting thing, and so I just tweeted about this. I want to know, Angela thinks this is probably not a good idea. So I trust Angela's wisdom on this stuff. 00:22:33 Speaker 6: But you're gonna ignore it anyway. 00:22:35 Speaker 4: No, no, no, like no, he's saying it's not a good idea, so I shouldn't push No. He I don't think. 00:22:39 Speaker 7: I don't know. 00:22:39 Speaker 4: I don't think he minds if I bring it up. The but somebody posted a an AI image of the new ballroom. So there was two things that happened. So then a bunch of people online started saying this is a good reason for the ballroom and then uh, because you know, for security. And then somebody posted this the Charlie Kirk ballroom that Trump's development, and I was like, this is a great idea because you have the Brady briefing room that was Brady was shot. 00:23:05 Speaker 2: Tweet tweet, Yeah, Brady was shot at the. 00:23:09 Speaker 4: Hilton. So we got the Brady briefing about the Kirk ballroom, and you know, and then I think, you know, the question is is that, like, well, Trump's probably gonna name it after himself. So maybe we're we're giving people like a bad choice because the people that want him named Trump or Kirk, they both like each other, so you're giving them like an impossible. 00:23:31 Speaker 5: I mean, I and Andrew Faz, Faz is denying this, Faz is saying that you are fake news. 00:23:38 Speaker 2: Idea. 00:23:41 Speaker 7: Oh it's a positive paradox. 00:23:43 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, Okay, So to be fair to what FOZ said, he said, if you're loyal to Charlie, is it cool? Fas if I read this, I'm just making sure. I want to make sure I get you right, the positive paradox. So if you're loyal to Charlie, then you'd be de fact oil the facto loyal to Trump. And if your little Trump, you're to factor little to Charlie. So it's one of those questions where any answer. 00:24:04 Speaker 7: Will get you. 00:24:06 Speaker 2: Wait, are you just saying about the name. 00:24:07 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, the Charlie Kirk Ballroom or the Trump Ballroom, because I would. 00:24:14 Speaker 2: Because I I tweeted this the other day, I would I would just say I would go with Charles J. Kirk. 00:24:21 Speaker 5: I just think maybe a little more official Charles J. Kirk as opposed to Charlie. I know, we all know, miss Charlie. I know that that's you know, it's it's you know, obviously his you know what he went by. But I would just say Charles J. Because it's just that it just gives it. 00:24:35 Speaker 2: That little extra you know, Donald Trump, Donald J. Trump, and. 00:24:44 Speaker 3: Is to give you your whole legal name. 00:24:48 Speaker 9: That's that's an official thing with government, the chat, that's the identifier the chat. 00:24:55 Speaker 6: Actually, I think another frankly, another good reason to name it after Charlie is it's possible will do to verious legal things. It might not be done by the time that this administration is out. And I think if you just pre announced this is named after Charles Kirk, thank you, it's a lot harder for baddies to undo it, and we don't. Then we don't end up with the Amanda Gorman Ballroom or something. 00:25:13 Speaker 9: And by the way, Charlie charning Point was actually one of the first to host like one of the main galas at mar A Lago, which has become a thing like that's kind of numb, and let's be let's be real, like this ballroom is like a like. 00:25:29 Speaker 8: A basically a ode to mar A Lago at the White House. 00:25:33 Speaker 5: Oh, Dylan, Dylan and the Chad pointed out we have the Donald J. Trump International Airport because that isn't. 00:25:39 Speaker 2: That what they named? 00:25:41 Speaker 5: And then and then here's here's Kyrie McAllen saying Jack's keeping the formality. 00:25:49 Speaker 2: So Charles J. Kirk, Donald J. 00:25:52 Speaker 5: Trump, you know, the ballroom also just another point I would make is just real quick if if you want to, because they're they're talking about the whole point of this. Andrew, I don't know if you said, is that like there was this like conspiracy theory that we were all talking about the ballroom because that like someone had like told us to tweet about. 00:26:12 Speaker 2: It or something. 00:26:14 Speaker 5: And yeah, yeah that there was like a yeah, yeah, exactly, No, it was we were right there with with It was actually. 00:26:23 Speaker 2: Just so ridiculous, like you read some of this stuff. 00:26:26 Speaker 5: Like yeah, we're all logged in when you couldn't even have access to like you know, Wi Fi, Like we're all logged in. 00:26:32 Speaker 2: It's like no men can actually just think independently. That's how it works. 00:26:36 Speaker 5: But what do you call it if if you want it to if you want to keep the focus on security, and if you want to keep the focus on political violence and free speech First Amendment, it just naming it after Charlie, really, I mean it's so multi layered. 00:26:56 Speaker 2: It's just so multi layered. 00:26:58 Speaker 6: Frankly, they already have renamed the Kennedy Center to be the Trump Kennedy Center, which is another big events venue, and so I don't think he needs two events venues named after it. 00:27:07 Speaker 4: And by the way, to your point, if you've named it the Charlie Charles James Kirk Ballroom, like, you're right, I dare the left. 00:27:15 Speaker 7: To try and take his name off that? 00:27:17 Speaker 6: I mean they still might. We've got it here, the vetoing Charles Kirk Highways. 00:27:23 Speaker 7: But well we did just get a roadway in uh was it Westminster? 00:27:27 Speaker 6: I want I want the loop. I want the loop. 00:27:31 Speaker 4: Well, if BIGS gets into office, I bet we could get better. 00:27:34 Speaker 7: What do you think the loop? 00:27:36 Speaker 8: It will happen immediately? 00:27:37 Speaker 4: The two O two. 00:27:38 Speaker 2: Everything that got Wait, but is that Charles or Charlie, I'm not sure. 00:27:42 Speaker 6: I feel like a road. It's it's fine being Charlie more formal. 00:27:46 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, the ball Yeah, it's a white it's a white house room. Well so so and and that's it's it's the James Brady press Room. But again it's the full name. 00:27:57 Speaker 2: We call it the Brady Press Room where that's what the press briefings happen when they're you know, when Carolina, of course is I guess off on maternity even we're all praying for Caroline of course, but when she's there, it's and when she's not there, actually it's it's called the Brady press Room. Also because of political violence. 00:28:16 Speaker 7: So a lot of people want to call it the Charles J. Kirk Freedom Hall. 00:28:22 Speaker 6: You know, you want you want a real thought crime, but then they just probably you know, you want a real thought crime. I don't like too many things being just named the freedom X. It's it's like a low effort name for things. 00:28:31 Speaker 2: There's a lot of that, and it's. 00:28:32 Speaker 6: Not like what's a freedom It's not a freedom hall. It's a ballroom. And just maybe if if you name it specifically after if you said Charles J. Kirk Freedom Hall, because that was on his shirt. I could, I could be okay with it, but I think someone even suggested freedom hall and then it honor is both what I would I would push back on that. Freedom hall. Then it's just generic. You could call it the liberty I like call it. 00:28:53 Speaker 5: The I do like having freedom incorporated, Like maybe maybe you use freedom for like a like a you know, like the podium or or the stage, or like a different part of the like this is the freedom stage or is something like that as like as like an aspect of it, And then you could have like a freedom shirt that's put up there. So there are ways. 00:29:15 Speaker 2: To incorporate it that I think would be cool. 00:29:18 Speaker 3: I don't know. 00:29:18 Speaker 4: If Pedals has a comment, he says, I would love for debate hall at a university to be named after Charlie. That's actually a really good idea, like the like the Oxford debate, you know, I think something where you. 00:29:31 Speaker 6: Could create, like do we have any debate halls here in America? 00:29:35 Speaker 4: That's such a such a British developed one, Yeah, in Charlie's name, Like we could probably get one of those done at what like Texas A and M or or something. I don't know. What what's the most like a Hillsdale one, of course, but what would be like the most prestigious universe you could see this actually happening. 00:29:52 Speaker 8: It actually happening. 00:29:54 Speaker 9: Yeah, probably the most respected, most conservative school. 00:30:05 Speaker 7: Like Clemson. 00:30:06 Speaker 9: It's probably like a really high state school, University or Miami, Georgetown, University of Miami. 00:30:15 Speaker 8: Why not Georgetown, Washington, Georgetown, George. 00:30:19 Speaker 6: A lot of these schools are pretty mercenary, so you get someone to pay for it, they'll probably put up whatever you want. 00:30:24 Speaker 8: Baylor, but Baylor. 00:30:26 Speaker 4: Baylor's super lib though, that's I mean, but. 00:30:29 Speaker 9: They're historically like they're board and things like that. It's historically like pretty conservative. 00:30:34 Speaker 8: Might be the most Probably that's. 00:30:36 Speaker 9: Maybe one of the most conservative. Privately, it probably needs to be at a private school, so you know, public. 00:30:41 Speaker 6: The highest the highest ranked academically public school in a red state where we could just force it on them would be U T. Austin and U T. 00:30:51 Speaker 4: Austin has libs, so they would flip out about this, but it would be funny. 00:30:55 Speaker 7: Maybe that's the point you forced it and then. 00:30:57 Speaker 6: Also but you would but then people are gonna be mad that I said U. T. Austin is more distinguished than ANM, So maybe we should just go with an M. Otherwise all of them cultists will perform a bloody goon man. I don't want that to. 00:31:06 Speaker 4: Happen while we're coming up at Hillsdel Yeah, Hillsdal woud probably be the best. I wasn't expecting this, I have to say, but death of Recess it stopped me in my tracks. This isn't about dodgeballs and jungle gyms. It's about control. The modern American classroom didn't just happen. It was intentionally designed. 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That's angel dot com slash Charlie and watch Death of Recess. But okay, so we talked about this idea of a positive paradox question, and there is one that is going wild over the internet, and that is red button versus blue button. 00:32:45 Speaker 7: Do have you heard about this, Tyler? Yeah, okay, Blake, give us the what is the. 00:32:51 Speaker 2: I did not hear about this until until I have no idea what you're talking about? 00:32:58 Speaker 6: All right, So is the buttons? 00:33:00 Speaker 2: You said? 00:33:00 Speaker 3: Yeah? 00:33:00 Speaker 6: All right, yeah, So this is a question that made the rounds. Let me get throw out the image here so I can look at it here. Um, just got to find number nine on our stupid list of numbers, so I want to read it. So this is a question that has made the rounds. I don't think it originated with mister Beast, but he posted a very high visibility. It's a it was even going big hit before then. But the question is it's everyone on Earth is given secretly a command to push either a red button or a blue button. Just red button, blue button, and the steaks are If more than fifty percent of people push the blue button, everyone in the world survives. If less than fifty percent of people push the blue button. Otherwords, if more than half of people push red, only people who pressed red survive. Presented with this choice, which button do you press? 00:33:58 Speaker 9: Tyler A logical The logical button to push is the red button, because you survive no matter what. 00:34:04 Speaker 3: Yep. 00:34:04 Speaker 8: So that's the logical button. 00:34:06 Speaker 4: The the the pro social button, the pro social button. 00:34:12 Speaker 9: So I actually, I actually there's an argument to say that the blue button is. So if you're because this is this is an interesting thing. Only libs that believe in Agenda twenty one stuff that want to eliminate half of society because they think that the world is overpopulated. 00:34:31 Speaker 8: Those people would all push red. 00:34:35 Speaker 6: So like super super It's interesting you're saying that because most people are saying a lot of people that take it. Their take is a lot of people are giving the take that is the lib button. 00:34:42 Speaker 8: I know, I think it's a horseshoe. 00:34:44 Speaker 9: I think the majority of Libs would push it, but I think there's the rat the most radical Libs would push red. 00:34:50 Speaker 4: All right, So caboose has this whole thing break it broken down because people get lost in the language. This is actually what the truth is. You push the blue button, you might die. Push the red button, you definitely won't die. So if you but this, this is exact. 00:35:04 Speaker 2: This is no, no, no, this isn't but this, this isn't getting to the heart of the question. 00:35:07 Speaker 1: Though. 00:35:07 Speaker 5: The heart of the question is what do you think most people will push? Like like in your and by the way, is this wait is this world or country world? 00:35:18 Speaker 6: The world is the is the mister beast typo, this is the world's right. 00:35:22 Speaker 2: And I want to hear this from the chat, right, I need we need this from the chat. 00:35:26 Speaker 5: So it's it's also trying to understand what do you think most people in the world will push? 00:35:32 Speaker 2: Which I think I think blue winds. 00:35:35 Speaker 5: If you did a globe if somehow you did a global poll of this, I think blue winds. 00:35:40 Speaker 6: I think so mister and mister beasts poll blue winds with about it's about fifty to check the chat. 00:35:48 Speaker 8: The real question. 00:35:50 Speaker 9: I saw someone post after this x y blue people do all the blue people through all the red people in jail afterwards? 00:35:59 Speaker 4: Maybe know this? That was what I said, Yes, sir, what happens? The blue people, uh will want everybody to hit blue and then when they when they survive, they take out their guns and they shoot all the people. 00:36:13 Speaker 5: Here says blue, everyone can survive. See people like Melschell are why I'm saying. 00:36:19 Speaker 2: Blue will win? I would I would push red, but I think Blue would win, Zu says, if everyone wins, why wouldn't I survive? 00:36:27 Speaker 6: I think Blue will win. But more to the point, I think like we actually should push blue because I think I think the world what we're really voting for is do you want are we Well, you're voting for your own survival. But then on top of that, do you want the world where all of the blue pushers have been purged and are dead or are still with us? And I'll be frank, I think the world with all the blue button pushers taken out is a worse one. I think we do not we have not improved the world if we take out people who are pro social but not very good at game theory people who are pro social and not very good at game theory are like the people who make sure that the lights remain on. They are the people there are the people who put the shopping cart back. They are the people who put the shopping cart back every but every but this is the actually but you're pressing on this shopping card is a perfect analog. 00:37:17 Speaker 4: Now to you the people that don't put the shopping car shopping car to everybody else. 00:37:23 Speaker 6: Definitely not no put leaving the shopping card out like an animal. Is the red button push. It's the doing the thing that only helps yourself, and you're okay with hurting the rest of society because there's no there's no harm to you because you'll never be harmed for not putting the shopping cart back. You're just inflicting harm on You've got to do the pro so you've got to save the blue button pushing. 00:37:45 Speaker 8: Here's the point. 00:37:46 Speaker 9: The real, the real thing is is more interesting, which is what would be the outcome afterwards because all of the blue people, I agree with you, I think blues actually wins, but they would come after the red pushers if it's it's private, though, how do you know it's private, private, there's nothing truly private, and so the bigger question is the better question is would you rather would that change your your vote? If you if Red loses and you get thrown a jail for the rest of your life slash or if Red. If Red wins, all the Blue people die. 00:38:26 Speaker 2: So it's private right there. 00:38:27 Speaker 6: I don't think that's like, I don't know. I think at that point it just makes it easier for Blue to win because no one's gonna no one's gonna want to vote for the situation of like I might win, but just go to prison. 00:38:38 Speaker 8: I think if that was the case that I think Red would win. 00:38:42 Speaker 6: What why would Red win in the situation where if you people wouldn't want to get This is only an interesting hypo. This is only an interesting hypo if like the red Red is the answer of one self interested in terms of your own survival, but then Blue is saving other people? 00:38:59 Speaker 5: Would you only have but the red would be to stop the Blues from doing it because the reds would be better at fighting. 00:39:05 Speaker 9: Red would definitely be majority Republican, every everybody would also be. 00:39:11 Speaker 8: It would be radical. 00:39:13 Speaker 3: I don't think it. 00:39:14 Speaker 2: Would be like the Bush War. 00:39:15 Speaker 6: What are you talking about I think like pushing pushing the blue button is totally like an evangelical mega church thing to do. Yes, yes, you got to save people. 00:39:25 Speaker 3: How many? 00:39:25 Speaker 8: How many women? 00:39:26 Speaker 4: Yeah? Like we got to have women like guys. We don't want to. 00:39:29 Speaker 9: Read I read one. How many women would be left? It'd be like five men to every Yeah. 00:39:34 Speaker 6: Do you want the future of like where everyone's fighting over a tiny number of women who are also the like nasty red button pusher much a battle axes everyone? 00:39:51 Speaker 2: Yeah, just wrote I'm a nurse and I put away other people's cards. 00:39:58 Speaker 6: I've done, I've put away other people Liz. 00:40:00 Speaker 2: Liz, Liz just wrote, I disagree. 00:40:02 Speaker 5: I'm totally pushing red and I always pick up the shopping cart. 00:40:05 Speaker 6: So you know, Liz, I think you've got to reconsider. I think I think you might you might be dissociating. I would like, when you think you're pushing away those coffee cards, make sure you're not experience a psychotic episode and actually pulling the shopping carts out and creating. 00:40:21 Speaker 5: Wait a minute, but no nation is saying this to Andrew. Andrew you there's a question in the chat as to whether or not Andrew is in fact the hated non grocery cart returner. 00:40:34 Speaker 4: No, no, I put my grocery carts back and it's I will tell you, it's always a pain because I have to make sure the kids stay in the darn car when I'm like trying to return the grosser and I'm like, buckle up, I want to see all the buckles. 00:40:46 Speaker 6: So I know you've never once, you've never once said these kids are really annoying. I'm just gonna ditch to the cart. No, never once, No, you're not would your life? 00:40:55 Speaker 3: Would you like? 00:40:55 Speaker 4: No joke? I literally put it back every time. Every time you look at me like this, you don't know. 00:41:03 Speaker 6: But you know, no, every day, Okay, I believe figured you don't. 00:41:07 Speaker 4: You don't know that I knew this, but you what am I like? 00:41:11 Speaker 1: Just what? 00:41:13 Speaker 2: I paid a guy to follow Andrew around for a month, and. 00:41:17 Speaker 7: I'm sure you did. 00:41:18 Speaker 4: There were a couple of times. 00:41:20 Speaker 2: There were a couple of times. There were a couple of times, but there were close calls. But he did remember. He did remember a couple of close calls. But he remember. 00:41:26 Speaker 6: I think you of my women friends are pushing red this. This is making me worried about women like women are being a little ice cold here. 00:41:33 Speaker 2: Wait, women are going red there, she claimed, watch crime. 00:41:39 Speaker 4: So you know, uh, all the depressed people to would push red and then we have no chaos people the depressed people. If it was all if the red one, you would be ending. You would end up with a mix of like very libertarian, like pull yourself up by your own bootstraps, republic. 00:42:00 Speaker 8: What what jobs? Would what job? 00:42:03 Speaker 9: But here's the point that in the chat, literally every nurse, every firefighter, every police officer, for the most part, would probably be gone. 00:42:11 Speaker 8: If read one. 00:42:20 Speaker 2: Nurses out there that are not. 00:42:22 Speaker 8: You not have a vast majority of them would be gone. 00:42:27 Speaker 2: Those nurses would be gone. 00:42:28 Speaker 6: It would be gone. 00:42:29 Speaker 8: A lot of them would be gone. 00:42:33 Speaker 2: Can I give you a hot take on nurses? 00:42:36 Speaker 6: I actually there was a hot take on this that. 00:42:40 Speaker 2: That comes to me via. 00:42:41 Speaker 5: It was from Still Boneless and he said, he said, you know why like the nurse ratchet type nurses exist And he said, it's because it's because those types of nurses, their personal lives are so disordered and chaotic and insane that they take it out on their patient. 00:43:00 Speaker 2: And that's why they're just like. 00:43:01 Speaker 5: So incredibly like tyrannical and unfeeling when it comes to their actual patients. 00:43:08 Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean it's like probably for the teachers too that I've just mentioned, the really nasty teacher teachers. 00:43:14 Speaker 2: Like, yeah, there's event diagram there, man. 00:43:17 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm telling you. This is what's weird about this question is the overlap of good, like amazing people that you would want to be your neighbor, of self sustaining live off the grid, you know, wants to take care of their own community, their own family first and foremost not the government. You'd get this weird overlap of really good people that are good for the country and really bad. 00:43:36 Speaker 6: Isn't the whole idea of living off the grid that you're not really anyone's neighbor, That's. 00:43:40 Speaker 4: What I'm saying. But that doesn't make them a bad about their family, their church, the things that that's close to them. That's honestly, I have no problem with those people. But there is like a concept in Christianity where you're it's not like pro government coerce socialism. It's it's voluntary community, right, It's voluntary brothers taking care of brothers, you know, that kind of thing. 00:44:02 Speaker 9: I just think, I think, I think without question though, if red did. When it would be predominantly men, we would have a huge. 00:44:12 Speaker 3: Lack of problem. 00:44:13 Speaker 4: That's the bigger problem that. 00:44:15 Speaker 8: It would not be getting that would cause. 00:44:17 Speaker 5: That would cause is go to the women and be well no, actually though, but you look at the chat like we already have the. 00:44:23 Speaker 2: Best women pressing red. 00:44:24 Speaker 7: So sorry, says is a Christian you would want to save everyone. 00:44:29 Speaker 6: Yeah, that's what I was saying. I argued that too. I was saying, if you're going to argue we should push red, I think you are basically arguing the vast majority of Christian clergy should die. If you're saying we should let the blue button pushers die. 00:44:41 Speaker 4: X Y guy has a really important point, though Russia a red or blue reset. 00:44:45 Speaker 8: Button, every lawyer would be red. 00:44:48 Speaker 2: It's usually as well, he said, just just give the party shove and and and leave. Just give what the chef, just give the car to shove until getting get in the car. 00:45:03 Speaker 9: I think what I would do is I think I would press both buttons at the exact same time and then just live with whatever happened. 00:45:09 Speaker 6: Well, I won't live with whatever happened, because if you pressed blue and I won, you would die. Live I would live with whatever happened until, by the way, a fun thing with the buttons. So the button Hillar gave was red and it said Paragrushka on it, which does not mean reset. It means overload. They missed. They mistranslated its one. 00:45:30 Speaker 3: I think. 00:45:32 Speaker 9: I think reset does it though it also it has two meetings. You can it can mean both things. 00:45:39 Speaker 6: Oh, Google lied to me. 00:45:41 Speaker 4: Then I have the same question Kyrie. Kyrie says, why does it seem like ninety percent of the libtards are either in the medical or the educational field. I literally have the same thought at night. 00:45:51 Speaker 2: Again. It's it's that's what I'm telling you. It's it's this idea that. 00:45:56 Speaker 5: They don't have control over their social lives, their individual lives, so they want to seek control over others. And we saw this during COVID. We saw this with teachers, We saw this with nurses, We saw this with like uh sordises. And you know what do you call the flight attendants who just put the mask on waitresses? In some cases I'm not saying all of them. I ain't saying all of them, but I'm saying there were a whole lot of petty tyrants out there. And that's exactly what it is. That's what creates the petty tyrant. 00:46:28 Speaker 4: All I know, Yeah, all I know is if we if we if blue one, they would kill all the reds. But let's just assume let's just kids. I don't think, no, I know, they probably wouldn't. 00:46:42 Speaker 2: Put the point is not no, it's not a communist thing. 00:46:46 Speaker 6: Do it now, because we're in the reality with all the blue and red people, right, a collectivist thing. 00:46:49 Speaker 4: Okay, So here's the thing. All I'm saying is you say, say the blues one and all the reds died. If that's the way this hypo worked, Okay, I'm telling you what you would be left with is like a fifty state like Democrat majority. That's like without question, so you might get some of the pro socials, but this would be. 00:47:09 Speaker 9: How many good question with the red blue if red one, how many members of Congress. 00:47:13 Speaker 6: Would go, oh, that's an interesting question. 00:47:19 Speaker 7: That's actually you should sweet that. 00:47:21 Speaker 2: All the members of Congress. 00:47:23 Speaker 6: I'm gonna do it. 00:47:24 Speaker 8: It would be like all it would be like all again. 00:47:28 Speaker 9: It would be the exact that would actually be a great indicator of like how society is represented by representative I think what would happen is you would have a lot of the Dems gone. Definitely all the female Dems except for the psychopath. So the so like AOC's the she'd begun. 00:47:47 Speaker 8: No, she would be around. 00:47:48 Speaker 4: You think she would pick red? 00:47:49 Speaker 8: Oh yeah, for sure, fashionating to leeve would pick red. 00:47:55 Speaker 4: See I would have picked them as blues. 00:47:57 Speaker 8: Because, like I said, like the Ajenda twenty one, guess rest, what do you think? 00:48:01 Speaker 3: Uh, I don't know. I I would I like I said in the in the office, You're you're a. 00:48:09 Speaker 6: Red pusher abandoning them. You're abandoning the pro social the cart put the cart put. 00:48:15 Speaker 3: Like I get, I get the I get the Christian angle. 00:48:18 Speaker 6: But I don't know what would Jesus do. 00:48:22 Speaker 3: He probably wouldn't push. 00:48:23 Speaker 4: To be honest, God did not create a world where everybody gets saved but sin also. 00:48:28 Speaker 6: So do you think you'll be saved if you push red? 00:48:33 Speaker 4: I mean, I mean red is confessing Jesus as your lord and savior. Savior say that on the button It says I want to save myself and let others die. 00:48:41 Speaker 7: I mean, I'm certainly picking the crass. 00:48:43 Speaker 3: I just yeah, I mean, I just don't. I don't trust people. 00:48:47 Speaker 2: I don't think pressing red is Unchristian. 00:48:50 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's essentially what we're getting it. I think is picking red anti Christian. I don't think is that against the values of Christ, No, but. 00:48:59 Speaker 8: I think it is. 00:49:00 Speaker 6: I think I think, I think, I see. 00:49:02 Speaker 4: This is where we're missing each other. 00:49:04 Speaker 5: I think Jack, well, it can be level, it can be, but it isn't necessarily It can be if you want the Blue pushers to die, then yes, that would be Unchristian. But it could also be that you just want you and your family to live and you think that Blue is going to lose, and if that's the case, then you're trying You're doing so out of trying to save your family and your your position in it. So again it it's a tribal fish. 00:49:34 Speaker 6: I think it matters. 00:49:35 Speaker 2: It comes down to what's in our heart. 00:49:37 Speaker 6: I think it matters to the fact that it seems pretty clear that Blue is ahead in polls, but not extremely decisively. So if it was, if ever, if it was like thirty percent are picking Blue and it's like clear that Red is going to win, I think it's more acceptable to pick Red because you don't really have an obligation to commit suicide here. 00:49:55 Speaker 4: Well, but here's here's what I'd say. The more people understand this question, the bigger the share of the vote red is gonna get over time. It's way more compelling, it makes way more logic, and then the point. 00:50:09 Speaker 2: Is now defense. 00:50:11 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's like I mean, I'm thinking of even other ones. You know, they're giving this to everyone. What about every like six year old who doesn't get it? They have to push it, And you're just gonna let every six year old and pushes the wrong button die? 00:50:21 Speaker 7: No, you got you got to be the head of your household, take care of No. 00:50:23 Speaker 2: That's why I'm telling them to press red. 00:50:25 Speaker 6: It's not you, guys. It doesn't say that there's this is all. This is all like a parents to be secret in the actual hypo. 00:50:33 Speaker 8: Boy, more boys would pick red than girls. 00:50:35 Speaker 2: And girls. 00:50:37 Speaker 5: Going in there with your children, then you tell your kids, hey, the family is pressing red. 00:50:42 Speaker 2: We all press red. Make sure you press red. 00:50:45 Speaker 3: This is That's exactly what I would be doing. 00:50:46 Speaker 9: This is very similar. Have you guys watched Beast Games. I've seen a little bit of it. I've watched both seasons of Beast Games, and there's many games that that mister Beast puts out that actually forces people into the questions. 00:51:02 Speaker 3: And this is why, this is why I don't trust people. I don't trust people because I think at the end of the day, people are going to go for the their selfish nature, which is going to be to click red. I don't care. I get that the poll is showing that we're on a trend of blue, but at the end of the day, nature like like you've seen every selfish nature every episode of I've watched both the conversation. 00:51:29 Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, I agree with you. 00:51:30 Speaker 3: I agree. 00:51:31 Speaker 4: Once you hit fifty, people are gonna start catch getting the memo. Yeah, like you can. Everybody can get zick red. 00:51:40 Speaker 3: To Tyler's point, Beast Games is a perfect example because the amount of people that it's like, hey, if you don't do anything, if everybody doesn't do anything, you all get money. But if one of you decides to sell out the rest of like your group, you get all of the money. The amount of people who are just like, yeah, I'm out. 00:52:01 Speaker 9: Yeah, it actually doesn't. But what's interesting in the show of Beast Games. Most of the time I would argue, and again this is just my recollection. Most of the time people actually go with the group, save the group, and they get and. 00:52:15 Speaker 8: They end up with nothing. 00:52:16 Speaker 6: That is why humanity has thrived though, the ability to put the group. 00:52:20 Speaker 9: I'm not saying, I'm not giving content, I'm not giving my commentary on it. I'm just saying in the game, most people have lost because of their willingness to save others and the people, the people who have gone out on a limb and taken a couple of games where they can press a button and get a million dollars, but they like sell out like ten people or like their entire team. 00:52:43 Speaker 3: This is why, and. 00:52:44 Speaker 8: Most don't do that. 00:52:46 Speaker 9: The few that have have actually walked away with a million bucks and and and the other five hundred whatever starts on the show. I can't remember how many. I think it's a five hundred one thousand. They walk away nothing. 00:52:57 Speaker 6: And that is why mister Beasts is correctly named to the Beast of Revelation because he is sowing. 00:53:03 Speaker 3: Has a really good evil. If everybody picks red, we lose no one, but they won't. We know that won't happen, okay, but then. 00:53:11 Speaker 4: Them, dude, I feel like the attribution is not good because X Y and the arguments that must protect. 00:53:19 Speaker 6: We must protect the people who are pro social but bad at game theory. One final thought of all of this, I wonder if people's opinions are at all affected by the fact that in America, red states are the conservative ones and blue states are the liberal ones, because this is always a pet peeve of wine is the conservative color everywhere else, and it's also a better color, and we should have had blue, and I'm annoyed we didn't get I. 00:53:44 Speaker 4: Actually made that observation in the SBOC op ed that I wrote this week. I was like hate crime map for SBOC. It's red, like hate in the Republican Party and. 00:53:54 Speaker 6: The Bolsheviks and the red flag. 00:53:57 Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly, all right. 00:53:58 Speaker 5: I would just like my last take on this is that I, uh, yeah, I I I don't get good vibes from mister beast. 00:54:06 Speaker 2: He gives me blippy vibes, and Tyler knows how I feel about blippy and just just doesn't doesn't doesn't have good energy. I don't. 00:54:15 Speaker 5: I don't think he's in that positive out there, and and yeah, just overtly pagan. 00:54:20 Speaker 3: I like. 00:54:24 Speaker 9: Where I like the intrigue, intrigue that he injects into all the videos that he does. 00:54:30 Speaker 8: But I think I think it's super entertaining. 00:54:32 Speaker 4: So he's he's definitely talented. 00:54:34 Speaker 8: I don't think he's mister. I don't think he's Blippy. 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That's her? 00:56:27 Speaker 6: She looks like she's like thirteen in that image. 00:56:31 Speaker 4: Kind of okay, very odd. Look, so what's the story? 00:56:37 Speaker 6: Who has the most expertise on this? 00:56:39 Speaker 2: Uh? 00:56:41 Speaker 6: Wait I do? Apparently basically she. 00:56:44 Speaker 4: Made this Indian dude her sex slave, allegedly allegedly. 00:56:49 Speaker 6: I don't buy it. I don't buy it. 00:56:50 Speaker 5: Okay, anything about this story is true. I think it's totally fake, and I think it's clickbait. 00:56:55 Speaker 6: Probably it probably probably, but it's funny clickbait. So the claim is the year old and elaborate lawsuit is brought against a JP Morgan exactly this HAINI by a John Doe. We don't know the name, but he claims it's be a John Doe. 00:57:10 Speaker 7: If you're Indian, we gotta come up with like an Indian version. 00:57:13 Speaker 6: John something, John Patel. Let's like, that's low hanging fruit. We've got to have like a fun like the jo Joanna Nanapathan or something, you know, because they have those really long names sometimes. 00:57:24 Speaker 9: Yeah, we all right, she looks like in her picture like every journalist in DC by the way. 00:57:30 Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, she was taking a selfie at the court. 00:57:34 Speaker 6: But anyway, so there's this very spectacular sexual harassment allegation brought against his that she's at JP Morgan and this guy Okay, actually wait, they're just they're naming him in the New York Post. That means I guess I can that his name is Cheraiu Rana. Maybe we should bring back John Doe Charayu Rana. He says that she basically made him her He was a underling and sorry he was her underling, and he alleges she made him into her sex slave more or less and would constantly. Yes, she would drug him with roe hypnol and viagra and threaten to slash his bonus if he did not comply with her advances. 00:58:18 Speaker 4: But it was like pretty, I mean the advances were very dominatrix in style. 00:58:24 Speaker 6: Yes. So she reportedly would arrive at his apartment unannounced and force him into amorous encounters. 00:58:34 Speaker 7: Picture is this Ai? 00:58:40 Speaker 8: I thought it was real. 00:58:43 Speaker 4: Tyler is trying to contribute to this chat and this is what he puts in here. It's gotta be ai, but it is there. It is there. 00:58:54 Speaker 7: She is standing over her. 00:58:55 Speaker 6: Pushing specifically he apparently so he was married. Also, she claims that I keep mixing this up because I'm too used to this being women Claiming this, He claims that she would call him her brown boy Indian and there it is that she would make fun of his She would say, I I I bleeping on you. I'm going to ruin you if you don't stuff, I will make you pay. Do you think you're going to be in good standing if you do not have me in your corner? Do you think management really wants some brown boy Indian leading originations? I Am going to sabotage your promotion if you don't. This is a little lura. 00:59:38 Speaker 8: Why did we pick this time? 00:59:39 Speaker 4: I don't know. 00:59:39 Speaker 7: Should we go straight to MJ? 00:59:40 Speaker 6: I might need to escape from this, I think apparently apparently. 00:59:44 Speaker 2: I don't think it's a good topic. 00:59:45 Speaker 9: A close second to the yeah, the demands that she was making of him in sexual abuse was the racial harassment they said. 00:59:55 Speaker 3: That he was. 00:59:58 Speaker 8: That's the funny part of this. 01:00:00 Speaker 4: She wanted a sex slave apparently, but she was also very racist towards him. 01:00:05 Speaker 7: So is that racist if she wanted to also? 01:00:08 Speaker 3: You know what I mean? 01:00:09 Speaker 6: Really, let's be real. The part of this that is extremely funny is everyone. A lot of people find this lawsuit unlikely, possibly completely fake, And it's not just because the allegations are extremely spectacular, but also because at the heart of these allegations is the claim that this white woman was just lusting incredibly hard after an Indian guy, and that's not usually the balance that anticipated. 01:00:34 Speaker 9: The number one one of the number one comments on Reddit when this was announces. So his position is now open, I assume from a guy. 01:00:45 Speaker 4: All right, so I'm going to make an executive call here. You now know the story, the rest of it. 01:00:51 Speaker 6: It's really funny. We probably shouldn't. 01:00:52 Speaker 4: I think we're gonna move on Jack jack Let's go to the other the most non sex oriented story of the day, and that would be Michael Jackson. Because apparently I was wrong. 01:01:04 Speaker 2: I was. 01:01:04 Speaker 4: I was under the impression that mj was like that. We all assumed he was guilty. 01:01:09 Speaker 6: If you just assumed he was guilty, you believe the lie. 01:01:13 Speaker 2: He wasn't. 01:01:14 Speaker 4: Yeah, totally, I mean for real, like, I'll own it completely. I just kind of have been walking around. 01:01:19 Speaker 6: I thought Michael Jackson was a pedophile just because we present the topic. 01:01:23 Speaker 4: I would just like to know. 01:01:24 Speaker 6: I would just like to know Andrew things Michael Jackson is a pedophile, just because Michael Jackson open talk to that joys. 01:01:30 Speaker 4: And would invite children over to his house. 01:01:33 Speaker 6: Where he had a roller coaster, and he would have sleep over the room where they would sleep in the same bed, and he would do you think he was a pedophile just because he did that. Andrew, I'm really disappointed in you. 01:01:45 Speaker 4: Okay, let's so, so hold on, get the protext as usual, like that we usually do when we change topics. 01:01:53 Speaker 2: Context. 01:01:54 Speaker 5: Here is that So Michael is a new movie that's come out, a biopic, as Andrew likes to say, biopic. 01:02:02 Speaker 2: Is it just got last week? 01:02:06 Speaker 3: All right? 01:02:06 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you're not living that down. 01:02:08 Speaker 4: So what are the jack, Jack, what are the what are the ratings on Rotten Tomatoes? 01:02:12 Speaker 2: You sent me this, It's like, well, well, so it's it's currently that I was gonna say, it's currently. 01:02:16 Speaker 5: The number one movie in the entire world. Rotten Tomatoes was trashing it. Russ is like our Rotten Tomatoes guru, so I think he probably has the actual numbers. But it was one of those ones where it's like the critics are trashing it and the audience loves it. 01:02:31 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that that happens a lot. I feel like that happens. That happens more than editing popular at this point. 01:02:37 Speaker 3: It's actually kind of funny because I've seen over the last year, like a couple of years now, Rotten Tomatoes people are just like nobody listens to rotten Tomatoes anymore, nobody listens to screen anymore, and it's kind of funny to watch. 01:02:49 Speaker 8: So the IMDb rating is seven point seven out of ten. 01:02:53 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's ridiculous. So Jack, they did not include any of the allegations of pedophilia against Michael Jackson in the film. 01:03:04 Speaker 7: Isn't that the big controversy here? 01:03:06 Speaker 3: Yeah? 01:03:06 Speaker 2: So the controversy, well, well there's there's actually yeah, I mean just yeah. 01:03:11 Speaker 5: It's the easiest way to sum it up is that, yes, so they cut the movie because the family was involved with creating the movie, and so they say, oh, the family is you know, too much control, et cetera, et cetera. But it's like, well, if they're putting up money and they're involved in the movie, then why wouldn't they you know, have any control me. It's kind of a silly argument, but but they were saying that you can't, like, you're not allowed to like this movie because it wasn't a critical enough lens on Michael Jackson, and the uh yeah Angelo, you know, Angelo says, uh you broughten tomatoes is still good. 01:03:46 Speaker 3: Just do the uplall because because to Jack's point, what the critics say, yeah, yeah, because to Jack's point, the audience scores a ninety seven day, so it's like, well it's there. 01:03:57 Speaker 5: There are still occasions where the the you know, the ratings are the saying but I don't know, I don' know derail this. But so I wanted to take this in another direction because obviously the audience is like, we don't care. We like Michael Jackson and we love the songs, and there is a jukebox you know, kind of element to this where it's like there's a lot of recreations of him performing. You know, also when he's you know, younger with the Jackson five and then when he's older in his solo career, you know, the first moon walk, like the first time he played Billy Jean, or you know, it ends with the Bad Tour and he's going up on stage the Thriller movie music video sequence when they're. 01:04:37 Speaker 2: Doing like the short film et cetera is in there, and you know, the audience is like, we don't care, but. 01:04:44 Speaker 5: I want to do I actually was like, guys, let's do this, and so I kind of lee Roy Jenkins did on on Twitter this week, and I'm like, I'm just gonna come out and say it. I don't, I don't ever think that Michael Jackson was guilty. I've never thought this in my entire life. I followed many of the cases, you know, as in real time as they were alive, and it jumped. 01:05:07 Speaker 2: Sorry, it just never passed test. 01:05:09 Speaker 4: I'm curious, Tyler, did you think did you just sort of like assume he was guilty? 01:05:16 Speaker 3: Yeah? 01:05:16 Speaker 8: I grew up thinking that for sure, Blake, you did it. 01:05:19 Speaker 4: Never. 01:05:20 Speaker 6: I mean, I'm not obsessed a true crime junkie, and I will admit with as they say, where there's smoke, there's fire, and it's like a gigantic smoke machine, just constantly spewing fumes. And yet I will say I think with Michael, what stands out as Michael Jackson is actually so weird and the fact pattern around is so strange. I'm much more open to the defense, which is he's not a molester. He actually is just a weirdo. And what stands out in this, as well as some other high profile cases where people were assumed guilty and then it was walked back, is a lot of the people, until they actually had a very strong financial incentive to claim otherwise, said nothing happened, and so they'll come out and they'll say, Oh, this person who was around all the time says Michael molested him. Oh, by the way, he wants twenty five million dollars. 01:06:09 Speaker 4: Yeah, Kabooz made a good point. He said, I assumed he was guilty after that Leaving Neverland doc. And I think that was kind of a big turning point for Yeah. 01:06:17 Speaker 3: Yeah, I assume he based off of growing. 01:06:20 Speaker 5: Up off documentary though has been like really really criticized in terms of like so many things in terms of stuff they pulled out. I mean, it's basically like a true crime podcast about Michael Jackson falling into the same lies and half truths and misrepresentations that pretty much all of the true crime genre is known for. 01:06:47 Speaker 2: Because they don't want. 01:06:47 Speaker 4: To actually say, what was that one about the guy in Wisconsin the killer. 01:06:54 Speaker 7: Making murder? 01:06:55 Speaker 4: Yeah, that one was like so compelling if that's all you watched, that this guy was innocent, But then there was there was like a whole other side of the story that wasn't covered. 01:07:05 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's so Scott Adams actually talked about, uh, what was it called Leaving Neverland? 01:07:11 Speaker 1: Right? 01:07:12 Speaker 5: I keep want to say finding Neverland because that's the other movie about how the Peter Pan series was created. 01:07:18 Speaker 2: But it's a really good movie actually. 01:07:21 Speaker 5: But the line was that Scott Adams had years ago, I guess when he had watched this, was that you have to beware the documentary effect. And when he said the documentary effect is this that when you watch a documentary, typically they take one side of the story and they just ride that side all the way home, rather than giving you a you know, a two sided view on things. And typically those are more popular, and those get a lot of clicks and a lot of views, and then you. 01:07:54 Speaker 2: Know, and they're very persuasive. 01:07:55 Speaker 5: But you could then go and watch a counter documentary right after that, and he just as persuaded, like Andrew, like you were saying about The Making Murderer, that actually that documentary was full of craft because there's a whole bunch of information they didn't include. And I'll actually give you guys a great example of this that I just know about from my own life. 01:08:13 Speaker 2: Do you guys remember Tiger King? 01:08:15 Speaker 6: Yeah, I didn't watch it. I've never I watched I said, do. 01:08:21 Speaker 2: You remember it? I didn't say if you watched it? I said, do you remember? 01:08:23 Speaker 3: It? 01:08:23 Speaker 4: Was like a cultural phenomenon. It is like a COVID one. 01:08:28 Speaker 6: Yes, that's the thing, COVID. I watched it, right, everyone else was. Everyone was watching it during COVID. I did not know it existed. For several months after the big meme. I was totally out of the loop, and I said, I was reading a bunch of books I read. I read a bunch of spy novels. 01:08:46 Speaker 5: Okay, okay, okay, But but my point being is everybody watched Tiger King. It was a huge cultural phenomenon, and everybody thought like this guy shouldn't have been in jail, and that Carl Bassis killed her husband, and they thought all these terrible things. 01:08:57 Speaker 2: Right. 01:08:58 Speaker 5: Well, I actually happened to be in Oklahoma in twenty twenty later on, and I said, with the guys I was with for a reporting for OM at the time, I was like, Hey, we should actually check out the Joe Exotic, you know, Tiger place and see what it's actually like. And I got to tell you guys, when I got there, I did not realize how small it was, and I did not realize that like he was keeping those tigers and whatever they did with that documentary to make each of the pens and enclosures look so much bigger. 01:09:32 Speaker 2: It's just it was all fake. These things were actually really small. 01:09:36 Speaker 5: Tigers are being kept enclosures that were like smaller than a closet where they some of them were so small they couldn't even stand up all the way. 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Check it out right now. 01:13:12 Speaker 5: Before we before we go too off of this though there there is still this like huge and I don't want to go through like every claim against Michael Jackson that's been made, et cetera, et cetera, that that you know it's he settled the first one in ninety three, and thinking that, oh, if I just pay to make this go away, that like the story will go away. But unfortunately when he paid that that kind of made the story bigger because people are saying, oh, he paid because he did something, as opposed to him thinking, oh if I throw money at this it's going to go away. So then other accusers came out and eventually it led to actually charges in Andrew. As you should know in Santa Barbara, I think one and the whole case that you know probably took place while you. 01:13:58 Speaker 6: Were there a take that, Angela. Something Angela pointed out that I found interesting. It's just it's worth remembering this is one of the this is kind of the first big child sexual abuse scandals involving a celebrity and really just making it a big story in general because and so as a result, it sets the template that we've seen. And so as an example, Michael really was the kind of guy who, yeah, he would try to pay people to make it go away. And I think today there'd be a lot more awareness that, oh, paying someone ten million dollars is one hundred percent going to like make me look guilty, And that wasn't the way he would think about it in the early nineties. This is before the internet, this is before we have super refined advanced lawsuit culture. And so yeah, he fell into that trap of thinking that that would work because it was an earlier time and people run by this dracts more accusers. 01:14:51 Speaker 5: Yeah, to your point, this was like, I don't know if it was exactly concurrent, but right around the same time as like the oj trial. 01:14:58 Speaker 2: So this was sort of the rise of your tabloid culture. 01:15:01 Speaker 5: This is what the Kardashian That's what the Kardashians came from, obviously being that their father was one of Boje's lawyers and was like possibly intimately aware in the case, which we should probably get into at some point, but it was it was right around that time that tabloids were just having a feeding frenzy and they sticked all of them on Michael Jackson, and so people have been saying that, Yeah, in Angela's point, this was like the first cancel culture. It was like the first iteration of cancel culture to say, oh my gosh, we can get this guy. 01:15:32 Speaker 1: And so. 01:15:34 Speaker 4: The theory is the theory that so he does the settlement and then he goes on Oprah becomes even bigger or whatever, and then all these other people came out of the woodwork because they may have had some connection to Michael and they were just completely motivated by money, and that's why there. 01:15:49 Speaker 6: Was multiple There's a lot of that, and I think the also, well the parents, there was like a yeah, the parents, and there's like a the sort of cancel culture. Also this weird let's call it what it is, sort of bully siding of of Michael. I remember, it was just the biggest running joke in the world that he you know, for example, he had the white skin and a lot of people thought, oh, he might have bleached it, he might have been all that. And the really sad thing is is it appears to be genuinely in the cause he just had a bad medical condition that you know, was turning his skin white. 01:16:19 Speaker 2: Spotches, it's it's it's vitiligo. 01:16:23 Speaker 6: Something like that. And then a reason he would make a skin white is it's basically, you either look like a Spotshey disaster, or you make your skin as white as the whitest parts on it. 01:16:30 Speaker 5: Yeah, there's there's a couple of photos you can find of of him. I don't know, I don't know if we want to look for on but where you can see that. So when he's younger, this is why he wore the glove, by the way, because when he was younger, it started in his hands first, and so he wore the one glove because his one hand was turning white. That's why he wore the glove and he was like, want to put this on. Then later it was like the fingertips. So that's why you'll see uh pictures with him and he has like the tape over the fingertips. You know, he turned it into this fashion statement and it's actually like you know, obviously very iconic, but it was because of this skin disorder. But then later in life he ended up getting so like so white in terms of the skin color that you can see blotches of like dark like brown blotches on his arms and stuff, where the rest of it is just naturally pale and to your point, like it's actually very sad. And that's why he had to you know where or you know, have like umbrellas when he went out and things like that. 01:17:29 Speaker 2: He couldn't even go into the sun. 01:17:32 Speaker 3: So I still remember, actually, weirdly enough, I remember my mom watching that Oprah interview. She was always watching Oprah and so I was on it like my brother, and I would always catch like whatever Oprah interview that she had on. And I still remember when a couple of the ones that she had Michael on. 01:17:51 Speaker 4: I see some of the people in the chat are saying, I remember when Michael's hair burnt during a pepsi ad. I'm sort of like these vague that's in the movie, Oh is it okay? 01:17:59 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:18:00 Speaker 5: They do a huge thing in that in the movie, and it is like like they show it's graphic, they show everything. 01:18:05 Speaker 2: So there's two graphic scenes for anyone who see the movie. 01:18:08 Speaker 5: The one there's one scene where they definitely show him getting whipped, belt whipped by his dad, which is you know, pretty well known that he was, that he was beaten, father was abusive, and many people say that this is kind of the reason for his later behavior in life, that he just sort of had this stunted childhood. 01:18:27 Speaker 2: He had the physical abuse in childhood. 01:18:29 Speaker 5: Also, something that people don't know is that his dad would book the Jackson five to play in strip clubs in addition to other places. So he was present, you know, as a young kid, you know, ten years old and he's being put in these strip clubs. And so for you know, some of the later behavior to Blake's point, which which is obviously you know, abnormal, it it's it's it's more of this. 01:18:51 Speaker 2: Like childlike. 01:18:54 Speaker 5: You know psychology that you know comes Frost abused. It's like the rest of the literally I think it's I think, and then the other the other physical scene is that they show his hair setting getting set on fire, and I didn't realize that he had an entire patch of the back of his head like basically just burned off. And they told him that you're never going to be able to grow skin back there again you ever go a hair back. And then there's a scene where, you know, obviously foreshadowing, where the doctor says, hey, I can prescribe you these painkillers. 01:19:25 Speaker 2: You're going to need them. 01:19:27 Speaker 7: So that's ultimately when I'm killing him, and that's. 01:19:30 Speaker 2: Kind of well, it's yeah, it's like what's set. 01:19:32 Speaker 5: On the path, right, I think, Well, the doctor got the doctor killed him, got in voluntary manslaughter. 01:19:36 Speaker 2: By the way, he was gonna ga like. 01:19:37 Speaker 3: Growing up, I think it's so interesting that specifically around Michael Jackson, like I remember growing up and like the narrative was that he hated his skin color and was trying to become white. 01:19:48 Speaker 4: Yeah, and he was bleaching his skin yeah, and then and then more white, which is why I got all the nose jobs. 01:19:53 Speaker 3: Yeah. And then now you can like now you start to realize like there was actual like he had actual like like stuff that was going on, and then he had my dad had or whatever. 01:20:04 Speaker 6: My dad had a sha line that he would repeat. I can't imagine he came up with it. 01:20:08 Speaker 4: Originally the joke was only an American can you be born a poor black boy and di a rich white woman. 01:20:16 Speaker 5: But no, I thought I thought that was that joke was around a lot. That was Yeah, I definitely heard that before. 01:20:21 Speaker 3: Having gotten older in like a large thought that was always really just fascinating how he. 01:20:26 Speaker 4: Was always pretty quiet about it, like he didn't really weigh in and set the record strait too much. 01:20:32 Speaker 5: I think Michael jack and that's that's possibly would have been a better peat, like from a PR strategy, you know, to kind of like maybe just have somebody go out and talk about that, right, and maybe these days that might be more of what someone would do. 01:20:46 Speaker 8: I think that. 01:20:47 Speaker 9: I mean, you look at the last forty years in American pop culture. I mean the guys who would become mega mega superstars, Madonna, Britney Spears, you can put Kanye in there, Michael Jackson, They've all had like horrifically bad stuff happened to them. Because I think the amount of pressure and mental fatigue that is created by creating icons like these people. 01:21:16 Speaker 3: I mean, Elvis destroys them. I mean if drugs doesn't get you, well yeah, but like but to your point, like even out like Elvis was pushed there, Like yeah, there's like a lot of these guys. 01:21:26 Speaker 9: And a lot of those people like die early death because of drugs and partying. And that's a different category person in my mind that the person that I'm looking at is like the person that's surrounded by so many people constantly and is made into like this almost like godlike pop culture figure and they like no human being is capable of Like I don't think. I don't think anyone really is capable of over overcoming that situation. And I think I actually Michael Jackson to me, you know, he's probably a weird guy that was created in that in that light that vein. But I kind of feel bad, like meet for me, Like I kind of feel bad for Michael Jackson in the same way that I kind of feel bad for Kanye West. 01:22:08 Speaker 7: Yeah, but unless he actually did a little kids. 01:22:10 Speaker 9: No, no, I know, And that's like the caveat right, Like of course, like if he's if he's a criminal, but if he's not a true criminal, he's just a weird person that like said weird things and was weird around people and did and like kind of screwed, like screwed up like at the worst possible moments and didn't handle those things correctly. 01:22:28 Speaker 7: Yeah. 01:22:28 Speaker 9: Like again, I think Kanye West is actually the most similar person in modern culture to that, not in the same in the exact same personality type way, but in the in the way it's like there's nothing that he could do. He was kind of crafted into this, like this the social pressure situation. Of course, he said he said and done some things that are really stupid and and like made him look really bad, but there was like no win for him to come out of that. 01:22:56 Speaker 8: And I kind of feel that way about Michael Jack. 01:22:58 Speaker 7: Fos has a good, interesting timeline. 01:23:00 Speaker 4: So he does the Oprah interview he it was was would you say it was the fourteen year silence. Yeah, So no interviews, just his music, let's speak for itself. Six months later comes the first accusation, and so Faz is saying because he looked weak, so people thought they could take advantage. 01:23:17 Speaker 7: Of ninety million people watched ninety million. 01:23:19 Speaker 4: People watched it. That's interesting. 01:23:21 Speaker 3: Wow. 01:23:22 Speaker 4: Wow, that's an interesting that's an interesting insight. 01:23:26 Speaker 3: Wow. 01:23:26 Speaker 2: No, And that's what I'm saying though. 01:23:28 Speaker 5: It was like the OJ trial in the sense that it because this was the era of three, six and ten, and you know, there were there were only a couple of channels. 01:23:39 Speaker 2: Everybody watched them like it. It's hard to explain how big OPRAH was back then and how big just broadcast TV was because that's all you had. 01:23:50 Speaker 5: There was nothing else. So that that's why we had a monoculture in the nineties for many reasons. That's why we had so many of these things, because every everybody was centered around television and there's all like a bigger media story here as well. And Michael Jackson dominated on television, there's no question. And then eventually MTV, which gave rise to that. And so this none of this is in the film, by the way, So the film stops right, you know, I want to say, like nineteen eighty nine, nineteen eighty eight, give her take. So it stops right before the nineties when all of like this happens where he gets propelled into like insane levels of superstardom. But also that you know, these these hits start coming, but it does I think for a lot of people. It resets the narrative on Michael Jackson by going all the way back to when he's a kid, showing that he did have this abusive childhood, showing that when you know, when he talked about, hey, I had this neverland because I wanted to recreate my lost childhood that. 01:24:50 Speaker 2: Which which is a huge piece. 01:24:52 Speaker 4: Right. 01:24:52 Speaker 5: So they show him like reading Peter Pam when he's a kid, and then eventually gets Bubbles the Monkey, and he's like reading it to Bubbles, and as he gets older, he's like talking about it over and over of him trying to find never land that you know, the land where you never grow up, and then eventually he creates it himself. 01:25:08 Speaker 2: And I just just say this while we're on here, that uh, you. 01:25:11 Speaker 5: Know mcaulay Culkin, Mcaulay Culkin, who was famously friends with him at the time, has always defended him, has always publicly defended him, and I believe testified on his behalf under oath that you know, he was there and nothing ever happened. 01:25:27 Speaker 7: All right, But jack dot Crime Dark Crime. What if mcaulay Culkin was guilty. 01:25:34 Speaker 6: Yeah, not about that, Jack. 01:25:36 Speaker 4: No, No, he was a kid two childhood stars, A kid capable their weirdness, A kid who I will know is capable of building a well engineered trap engine trap house to take out adult men. 01:25:50 Speaker 6: He like tortures with blow torches and stuff. Yeah, yeah, totally normal. 01:25:54 Speaker 4: Micro machines and broken uh Christmas ornaments? 01:25:58 Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, yeah, come on, No. 01:26:00 Speaker 2: No, I I almost wonder I would even go so far. 01:26:03 Speaker 5: And I I tweeted something about this earlier this week where I said, you know, in a way, and what I was getting at was that I wonder if Michael was trying to reach out to you know, child stars like a Macaulay Culkin, to say, hey, you're you're beat, You're blowing up the same way I. 01:26:20 Speaker 2: Did when I was a kid. 01:26:21 Speaker 5: But maybe I can get you out of those bad situations that I was in, and like, here's a place you can come where none of that stuff is going to happen and they can't get to you from here, and and let me try to get you off of that train, because you know, go look at some. 01:26:36 Speaker 2: Of the other nineties kid stars. 01:26:39 Speaker 5: My gosh, you know, you could go down the list of you know, like Lindsay Lohan and others where you know, just just amand of bunds, so many problems that happens that of child stars from from pretty much the same era or just a little bit thereafter. 01:26:59 Speaker 8: Is going down that before before? 01:27:01 Speaker 4: She's crazy okay, And she was. 01:27:04 Speaker 5: On the same show, right, wasn't wasn't Ariana Grande? Also on a Nickelodeon show. 01:27:08 Speaker 8: She was on a Nicklodon show. 01:27:10 Speaker 4: Hey guys, we're running out of time here. 01:27:12 Speaker 3: But before we run out. 01:27:13 Speaker 6: Of time, did you know that there's a Michael Jackson arcade game where you have to save children from like pedophile. Yes, there is. 01:27:21 Speaker 4: Let's throw it up. 01:27:21 Speaker 6: Let's let's throw up that image I posted and let me let me move it over to production. Uh, this is a real, a real image from it. 01:27:29 Speaker 7: It's a really small literal walker. 01:27:31 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's called Michael Jackson Walker. 01:27:33 Speaker 2: Great. 01:27:34 Speaker 6: Every single level you have to there's a bunch of kids. They've been abducted by these fat, middle aged looking white guys who are like creepy looking, and you have to beat up those guys and rescue the kids. And when you when you touch, when you touch the kids in the game, you walk over them. They'll be like, thank you, MJ. 01:27:50 Speaker 2: You save them. 01:27:50 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, you save you save the kids. 01:27:52 Speaker 2: So it's like a big I played version of this a lot. 01:27:56 Speaker 6: The ending The ending screen of this game says what about the children and that he saved? Well, they're smiling because deep down in their hearts they know that Michael will return one day to share with them another wondrous and magical adventure that's disgusting. 01:28:10 Speaker 4: All right, all right, so last thing, last thing, We're all gonna try and watch Animal Farm. 01:28:16 Speaker 7: I believe this is the last thing, and then we'll go. 01:28:19 Speaker 5: Well, yeah, but we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna review it next week because we're gonna review it next week. 01:28:24 Speaker 6: So I don't believe in trash in a movie before. 01:28:26 Speaker 4: I'm not going to trash it. And so here's what I will say. I called because uh, we've worked with Animal Farm or sorry Angel Studio for years. The Guild approves all the projects, so you have to green light with the guild. The Guild voted for it, which is interesting and like a lot of our audience remembers, they didn't make it. They distributed it. And by the way, I'm told Seth Rogan will not he is will not promote the film once Angel got involved, which is fascinating, which makes sense. 01:28:55 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so Angel Studio is distributing it. But they didn't make it right. 01:29:01 Speaker 4: So I found out though, is that they did tweak the ending a little bit to like I guess they in an attempt to make it a little bit more thematically with. 01:29:11 Speaker 2: What the controversy? What's the controversy? 01:29:14 Speaker 4: The controversy is that it is actually a critique on capitalism, where the original is a. 01:29:19 Speaker 7: Critique on communism. So they flipped the roles. 01:29:24 Speaker 4: But I'm told that it's a it's the Guild voted for it because there was an assumption that it was a critique on just corruption in general. 01:29:34 Speaker 8: But I'm not gonna well to see it. 01:29:36 Speaker 6: I have and I've read Animal relatively recently. 01:29:40 Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean I've read the book. 01:29:42 Speaker 5: I don't even know how many times. I mean, it's so great. Yeah, well, I mean it's real short, like you could literally read it, and. 01:29:49 Speaker 3: I read it. I read it all four years in high school. I don't know, as a homeschooling so I read it four times. 01:29:59 Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, we're gonna watch it at the Yes, we will, we will. I'll get a screener for the team. So I literally I heard we're going to talk about this, and I was like, you know what, what is it? All I know is that uh Angel Studio does a lot of good stuff. Can they miss sometimes? Absolutely? I'm gonna go into this with an open mind. And if if they missed and it is like a crap movie that totally bastardized it, like a lot of people are saying, I will be the first to admit it. But I also don't think. You know, listen, it's just show you gotta have a little creative license in this in this business. And they probably missed on this, but I don't know. We'll see, I will. 01:30:33 Speaker 5: I will go into it with open with open eyes I have, you know, I I like to come as as everybody knows. 01:30:41 Speaker 2: I like to have my own opinion on things, especially films. And you know I don't always overt wrong. 01:30:50 Speaker 7: Wait wait, you know overtly capitalist all at all? 01:30:54 Speaker 3: At two times? 01:30:57 Speaker 2: I oh, yeah, everything at two x. Why why would you waste time? 01:31:00 Speaker 3: Yeah? 01:31:00 Speaker 7: Exactly? 01:31:01 Speaker 4: All right, So we are going to give you a review of Animal Farm because it's been a big Kerfuffle Temple has been very upset about this adaptation of the of the film, and we'll see if he's right. I haven't watched the screen yet. 01:31:13 Speaker 5: And in fairness, I will say I did try to track down Russ and I were chatting about this this week. We tried to track down like an advanced screener of it. Weren't able to get one, so we will We will have to wait and report back. 01:31:26 Speaker 4: Yeah, apparently the guy that directed it is like pretty left andy Circus. 01:31:31 Speaker 6: He's called him. 01:31:32 Speaker 2: Wow. The star of Lord of the Rings is super left. Wow. So the Star of All the Rings is super left. 01:31:42 Speaker 3: MS music is really drowning it out. 01:31:46 Speaker 2: So the main guy from Lord of the Rings is super to the left. 01:31:49 Speaker 7: Wow. 01:31:49 Speaker 2: That's crazy, and he's ruining like a famous anti communists. 01:31:52 Speaker 3: The main. 01:31:55 Speaker 8: I wonder how gay Animal Farm is going to be. 01:31:57 Speaker 2: Oh no, I need to get off of the show. 01:32:01 Speaker 7: All right. 01:32:02 Speaker 4: That wraps us up, Jack, It's been a good show. 01:32:05 Speaker 7: You want to take us home. 01:32:08 Speaker 2: Ladies, gentlemen, go out there and commit more thought crime. 01:32:13 Speaker 3: It's sometime in the future, the Ultimate Challenge cross Fire. You'll get off. 01:32:48 Speaker 6: For more on many of these stories and news. You can Trust Go to Charlie Kirk dot com.