JD's Big Sell + Proud to Hate America

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He's just taking questions from the audience. 00:01:53 Speaker 2: What a trooper? 00:01:54 Speaker 3: What you can't even hear in his voice. He's sort of losing his voice because he has been on an absolute media blitz and it's JD's big cell. And this is all becoming very very clear actually as this is going on now, it's been clear for a while. If you think back to the Maggie Haraman Jonathan Swamp piece where they were contemplating the strikes against Iran to begin with, and bb Net Yahoo's in the situation room, which candidly probably shouldn't have happened, but we know the story now. And JD said, I think it's a dumb thing to do, but if you do it, I'll have your back. Marco said, hey, there was four objectives that the Israelis put out. It was stop their nukes, stopped their missiles, regime change, and Popular Revolt said, if you can get the first two, it's good. The second two, I think their intel is garbage. So if you want to get the first first two, go for it. So these are kind of the stakes, which is very interesting. So he's taking questions at the presser. We should go through some of the clips first, and then I think we have a lot to explain kind of the story behind the story here. Let's start with top forty two. 00:02:56 Speaker 4: They don't get any of the benefits of the bargain. So what I'd ask all of you is just your honestly that the United States isn't giving up a cent of money to Iran, and even the economic benefits, the sanctions relief and so forth, it comes along with this bargain only happens if the Iranians perform. 00:03:14 Speaker 2: We have another good one here, he's explaining why he believes the deal is it's not win with some downside win lose, it's actually a win win situation for America forty four. 00:03:24 Speaker 4: So you really have a win win situation for the United States of America. If the Iranians don't change their behavior, their military and their nuclear program is still destroyed. If they do change their behavior, then they are going to have a transformative relationship with the Middle East, and the Middle East will have a transformative relationship with the people of Iran. That's a win for the American people and for the President of the United States. Regardless of which option the Iranians ultimately. 00:03:51 Speaker 2: Choose, we obviously want them to choose the right option. 00:03:54 Speaker 3: All right, So win win, and I think he's right. And it's just been interesting to see the way that everybody in the social media ecosphere, the commentary ecosphere has been dividing, right, So you got the warhawks, the hardliners on one side, and then a lot of us that were skeptical, skeptical about going into Iran in the first place, very happy to see that peace is given. Is we're giving a shot, Blake, We're giving it a shot, And I think that's The whole point here is like, yeah, okay, the Iranians have never been good faith actors, but the. 00:04:25 Speaker 2: Iranians who are bad faith actors are heavily dead. 00:04:28 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, And you've got to give piece a shot here. And so far, so good, and JD lays this out. 00:04:35 Speaker 4: Forty three peace planned in Iran as already bearing real fruits for the American people. Last night, twelve point five million barrels of oil went through the Strait of War moves. That is a high since the beginning of the conflict. Oil prices are down nearly at their level from the pre war conflict. Gas prices drop below four dollars a gallon today for the first time since the conflict, and importantly they're gonna keep falling further given how low price low oil prices are. On the military side, the Iranians for the second night in a row did not shoot at any ships in the Strait of Warmus. So so far they're they're into the commitment. And on the blockade, Syentcom's allowed north of a dozen ships to go through our naval blockade. And so we're also honoring our end of the early. 00:05:18 Speaker 2: Part of the agreement. 00:05:19 Speaker 3: All right, so we're honoring it. They're honoring it. I understand people's hesitancy to believe that something better can come along because Iran has been bad for forty seven years. That's not a lie to say that. And I understand people's skepticism here, But what is the alternative? That's like, I would love somebody to present me the alternative. Do you expect one hundred thousand ground troops in Iran? Is that what you? 00:05:43 Speaker 2: Definitely? I mean, I've run into people who say that where they're saying, well, President Trump can't run for reelection. The value of being a lame duck is you can do things that are unpopular. Well, I think there's a lot of things worth doing in America that might be unpopular, and I don't think tens of thousands of troops indefinitely an Iran as one of them. Yeah. 00:06:01 Speaker 3: Well, and listen, we were talking about this with Steve Days. He's gonna come on the show on Monday. We're gonna go through this in more detail. But you can make a serious case that the best outcome has actually happened in the sense that and I'm not saying this is true, but you could make a very strong case for this that not having full regime change could have been the best thing for Iran. So I'm borrowing some of this from Steve here, but you know he lays it out. Blake and I were on this text with him. Israel and the Arab Sunnis share a mutual disdain for Iran. They would never agree on what would come next. Okay. An argument can be made topling the regime increases odds for a spillover regional conflict as everyone tries to establish their presence within an oil rich Iran. This is completely true. It would create a vacuum avoid that everybody would rush into, including bad actors. Kurds want their own country, The Israelis still want the secular youth who protested in January, or the grandson of the shah Arab Sunnis will want an LCC or AIRWUND type and they may all have a different version of that friendly to their interest that they prefer. That's in a conversation Blake and I were have with Steve, he tweeted something similar. The point is, if you fully topple the regime, if that's your alternative, you are going to have a sectarian mess on your hands, right now there's a semblance of the old order that can create at least a little structure, maybe a little bit of an opportunity for economic improvement, for stabilization, normalization of relations. 00:07:32 Speaker 2: And that's what some people want to be frank some people would be fine with sending a ran into civil war, into a bloodbath. They would say, at least then it's not threatening the United States. But that's never been President Trump's way, and personally, I don't think it would be a very ethical way to go about things. Deliberately. President Trump, he's a guy who likes to make deals. He's a guy who likes to build. He's a guy who likes to reach accommodations. He's proud that he took a lot of messes in the Middle East and took them toward a resolution, even something like Syria, where there's a rule or we might not one hundred percent like but Saria's not in civil war anymore. Gaza certainly a big pile of rubble. Still lots of problems, difficulties with the ceasefire, but it's not getting blown up every single day like it was when he took office. President Trump wants to reach resolutions and accommodations that can work for people. 00:08:23 Speaker 3: This is a great point you're making and it's so key, and I want our audience to understand this. The old paradigm was these big treaties, the one side completely loses and the other side completely wins. Okay, you only get that if you're willing to go all in. The American people are not willing to send ground troops into Iran. So again, what is your alternative? If you're not gonna give piece a chance, If you're gonna say this is worse than the JCPOA, which it's not. It's a ridiculous statement to make. Some of my friends have been making that statement. If you're not, what is your alternative? You don't have one. But in today's day and age, when you're willing to do things like a blockade to exert economic force, when you're dropping bombs on their industrial base and on their military base, what you get is a deal of deal in a Trumpian fashion, which says, hey, we will welcome you back into the world of normalization of modern economic prosperity if you do X, Y and Z, and if you don't, we'll drop some more bombs on your head or we'll blockade the straight again. The choice is yours. That's what That's what a Trumpian era deal is gonna look like. And it's a complete win. This is the I think that bothers me. People say, oh, you lost there. You know they're bending you. You get you're taking the kne to Iran. That's garbage, all right. So let's go through the story behind the story. It's very interesting show the President signing this. He was sitting next to Emmanuel Macrone as part of his trip to the G seven, so this is actually him signing the MoU okay. But the story behind the story is I think one that it he came off like a joke from President Trump, but I think there's truth to it, and it's worth explaining and diving into because there's a lot of speculation. Some of it's probably fake media spin whatever, but I think there's probably some truth to it. So President Trump is probably caught between two impulses here. He oft, after all, was the guy that went in and I think wanted to bomb mer On. Actually, you know, there's everybody saying Israel dog walked us into this. I think I think Israel told the President what he wanted to hear, and he said as much multiple times, saying, if anything, I got them into this, and I don't think he likes being told that he got dogwalked. He saw intel from Israel that he liked because he's been saying Iron should not have a nuclear weapon for a long time. He wanted to deal with this. He after all, took out General Solomony Solemony, whatever you say, Solomoni that he has been on this and fixated on this problem for a long time. All right, But then he's got guys like Jade Vance that didn't want to go in. He's probably looking at the polling. I can tell you our young people did not like this war to begin with. At turning point, our students say, I don't know how to defend it. We try and help them explain what the reasoning is, but even you know, we're a little bit unsure about the results. We love the path to piece. Okay, but listen to this clip from President Trump last night, and we'll explain the story behind the story in a second. 00:11:23 Speaker 2: Forty nine. 00:11:24 Speaker 5: There's some element to this where you send the vice president. If it works out great, you look like a genius for sending him. And if it doesn't work out, it's the vice president. 00:11:36 Speaker 2: I like that idea, shoe boy this way. 00:11:38 Speaker 6: If it works out, I'm going to take the credit. If it doesn't work out, I'm blaming JD. You better be careful, JD. 00:11:45 Speaker 3: So Blake and I had these exact same reaction when we saw that clip. It's a good joke, it's a laughable moment, but it's true too. But there's some truth to it. And that's why you see JD vance. Yes, it's part of his book tour, but it's coinciding with the Iran deal. That's why the title of today's stream is the Big the Big Cell from JD. And I'm totally supportive. By the way, that's not a bad thing. JD has been a voice for peace and wrapping this up and I love that. But look at this, this headline for Mediaite, and this is the story that's being spun, the little webs that's being spun in DC and the media bubble there says Rubio's two day absence Secretary's media silence is a flashing red sign that Trump's Iran deal stinks. Okay, that's Mediite being a bunch of jerks. The deal is an absolute home run for the United States. Even Joel Pollock, by the way, who's Jewish Jewish America, has been a very anti Israel, has been in favor of strikes against Iran. I think I said israel I met Iran has been very anti Iran. It's been very much in favor of the strikes. There says this deal is a good deal, so MEDII can stuff it. But this is this story behind the story. Two scenarios are probably going to play out in the future, and they are high stakes. They are high stakes. Make no ifsends or butts about it. If this works, this could be the biggest win of JD Vance's career and frankly the biggest win for American a long time. To get this deal done. No nuclear, everything works, economic revitalization in the region, normalization, stabilization in the Middle East, and JD will be able to take a bow and say, look, we gave piece a chance and it worked. 00:13:33 Speaker 2: Is this is how it should be. We know that President Trump, I mean, he'll say he'll take ownership of it if it works, and he'll deserve too, because he made the right call as president. But I don't think anyone's going to forget that if this works out, that the Vice president put the shop on it was. He was the man who said we should seek the off ramp, we should try to get the peaceful outcome, we shouldn't escalate, and he's getting the chance to sell it. This is this is excellent accountability. This is a real version. And we'd always joke where the White House would they'd throw Kamla to the wolves on the border or something when she didn't know what was going on, had no real ownership of what was going on. They complained about it endlessly. We know that this is something close to what Vice President Vance cares about and what he advocates for, and now he's selling it to the public, which he's gotten great training for ever since he became the vice presidential nominee. He was going into those hostile areas making the cell for the president in twenty twenty four, early twenty five. He's doing it again here. The question is what happens if it doesn't work out? If it doesn't work out, and I. 00:14:38 Speaker 3: Think that's why you see Marco Rubio sort of fading into the background here. I think Marco wants to let JD have his moment, make the big pitch, and I think if it doesn't work out, you're going to see the reemergence of Marco in phase two. So what's happening is Marco is untying himself from this on purpose, so that if it doesn't work out, he'll be a fresh face, clean perspective. He'll be the. 00:15:07 Speaker 2: Face of Well, here's the alliance we're building to continue these news strikes. 00:15:11 Speaker 3: And we will absolutely crush herround. Yes, economically, the blockade, the whole deal. Okay. So that is the story behind the story, is that JD is getting his chance here, which I pray with everything I've got that it works. We do not want to send American boys into more blood, sand and death in the Middle East. The appetite for a ground invasion is nil, it's nothing, Okay, So everybody pushing it operating under this old paradigm. No, the neo cons are dead, Okay, that era is gone. We don't want to go back there at all, Okay, So I don't know what their expectation is here. You've got to offer something to a modern state, Yeah, sanctions relief, Yeah, the opportunity for regional partners to invest in your economy and your infrastructure, of course, and President Trump made a great point. He's like, what what are we gonna do hold their money forever? That wouldn't work at all as well. And by the way, having the dollar is the go to de facto currency of the world, that would go away too, all right, if you're just gonna rob people and keep their money. So some of you out there that are probably more on the warhawks side, that want to see the regime fall and all this stuff, I get the frustration. I get the skepticism, but you also have to be realistic. This is a deal that could be a win win and a total slam dunk for the United States if it works, and if it doesn't, expect to see more Marco Rubio coming up in phase two. 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Thanks for watching. We appreciate you man, all right. Michael Knowles, the Great, the One, the Only, the papal Apologist. Michael Knowles, welcome back to the show. It's good to see you. 00:18:28 Speaker 2: Good to be with you, sir. 00:18:29 Speaker 7: By the way to the listener who turns seventy today, it's my kid's second birthday also, so he shares a birthday with my kid and every kid I have, and every day that goes by with my kids, I feel more and more like I am seventy. A birthday synergy. 00:18:45 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you'll pretty soon probably have a birthday for a kid on every day of the year, right. 00:18:50 Speaker 3: Michael is a good Catholic. You got it. Listen to last month covered Yeah, Yeah, you gotta time it out anyway. You don't want to clump them together. Michael's I got I got like Mike basically from Christmas to February I'm i'm, I'm, I'm in a lot of trouble. You got like down, which is like, yeah. 00:19:09 Speaker 2: You fold them in with other ones. 00:19:10 Speaker 3: My sister was a Christmas Eve baby, and so well, I've got a December twenty ninth baby, So I got Christmas December twenty. It just it never ends that whole. Yeah. Anyways, it's not it's not why you're here. It's not why you're here, Michael. We're moving on, all right. I want to get your reaction. I know you've been supportive of the president and the Vice president moving towards peace with Iran, and then all the naysayers are coming out of the woodwork, all these people that were like President Trump is the best. He is going hard after a run. We love this. Go watch Fox on Sunday night and hear all about it, how great it is. Now they're all they're all scattering to the wind. 00:19:49 Speaker 2: There's no where, there's no support here for this, of course. Yeah, what's amazing. 00:19:54 Speaker 7: So what's so amazing is when President Trump entered the war and I ran you had some people on the right who said, you know, Trump is getting bad advice from people. It's not Trump's fault, but he's getting bad advice. And then yet all the real warhawks coming out and they were saying, you need to go out and you need to blame Trump. You know, how dare you suggest Trump isn't making this call on his own, How dare you suggest he's not his own freeman and he's not intelligent whatever. But now that we're getting peace, all of a sudden they say, no, it's not Trump's fault, it's his wicked advisors, it's JD. 00:20:26 Speaker 3: Vance's fault, it's Jared Kushner's fault. 00:20:28 Speaker 2: Someone else's fault. 00:20:29 Speaker 7: I think, now we've just completely flipped here. But you know, the one person who hasn't flipped is Trump. And you know what actually hasn't flipped is the American interest. And so Trump has been very clear. He's been tough on Iran. He says that Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon. He's willing to stop that in the case of this war. I think he's very, very seriously set back the nuclear weapon. 00:20:49 Speaker 2: But that's it. 00:20:49 Speaker 7: He doesn't want to get bogged down in another decade long regime change war. The Iranian regime, wicked though it is, is a pretty durable regime. It lasted twice as long already as the CIA regime that we installed in nineteen fifty three. So I don't think that there was any appetite whatsoever for a protracted conflict American boots on the ground. Trump just wasn't going to go there. And so what you see is Trump is his own man. He achieved a lot of strategic objectives, set back the nuclear program, destroyed the ballistic missiles, took out two levels of the Iranian leadership, but he's at this point interests have diverged, and so at this point Trump says, we got really what we wanted out of this. The State of Israel might have some other interests here, but that's not really our chief concern. And so now we're going to wind this down, reopen the strait of horror moves before we totally obliterate our strategic petroleum reserve. We're going to get twenty percent of the world's oil flowing again. And we've taught Iron a lesson. Maybe we'll go back in if we have to. This is good stuff, This is exactly what we want. This is the pragmatic foreign policy. In fact, if anyone read the National Security document that the White House published last year. This is exactly what we're talking about. 00:21:53 Speaker 3: I played a clip from that on the show yesterday, from his speech, which was it mirrored that strategic document that you're talking about, and I completely agree. People need to remember what the north star here is and why Trump got elected in the first place, and why this pragmatic form pology approach completely meets that objective. It mirrors that exactly. God. 00:22:15 Speaker 7: Yes, in the document, it says, we want to have ideals without being idealist. We want to be realistic without being foreign policy realists. In other words, we want to put America first. Prudence is the paramount political virtue. I think Trump has done this very well, and so now you're starting to see some fissures. A lot of the attacks now are focusing on Jdvans because people don't want to go after Trump directly. But I think a lot of those fissures that you're beginning to see are actually just a re emergence of the fissures you saw back in twenty sixteen. You're seeing a lot of old noble Trump is sort of anti Trump again. Now they're just projecting that into Jdvans, who's the air apparent. So I think you're already beginning to see twenty twenty eight play out right now. A lot of divisions within the GOP. The funny thing is, though there doesn't seem to be a lot of division within the administration. And I'm quite relieved. I think they've played this very very well. And I think the conclusion of this kind of a war was always going to be a deal that didn't satisfy everybody or a protracted conflict, And given those two options, I'm happy to take the former. 00:23:22 Speaker 2: I thought you were going to. I think I have many thoughts. I have many many thoughts on this and all. But you know, looking ahead to twenty twenty eight, the thought I've had is we see a lot of people they clearly want to go after jd. Vance. They see him as a symbol of a direction in the GOP they don't like. But I've had this thought where they might try to mount a primary challenge to him in twenty eight. They might try to push forward a more hawkish person, and I just wonder is there any appetite for that within the broader base. I feel like we might even have this divergence where there's very angry people in DC and the entire of the country. Things like, oh, JD's great, He's Trump's guy. He opposes wars in the Middle East. That seems awesome. 00:24:05 Speaker 3: He did. 00:24:06 Speaker 7: Joy Behar even likes him, now, you know, I know, you know, it's funny coming out of Thesually. The Vice President, I think just made this point at the White House where he said, Look, people are saying I don't have any experience negotiating with hostile regimes. 00:24:18 Speaker 2: I just went on the view and Joy Behar is my best friend. 00:24:20 Speaker 7: Now people are using that, trying to use that against JD. This is evidence of some real political talent. So I think your point is totally apt, which is, Look, the chattering class is all upset about this. The policy wonk bow tie types are upset, But what about the actual GOP base. And I just don't really see it there. I mean, Trump has a lock on the GOP. He took it over in twenty sixteen. He remains the man. His approval ratings among the MAGA coalition are still sky high, and so whoever he picks is very likely to be the nominee. The only person right now from within the administration who could seriously challenge fans is Mark Rubio. Rubio, who I thin, by the way, is not all that far apart from Vance, despite what some of the chattering class they're trying to make them out to be a Bush era of Neocon. I don't think that's even really accurate. But even if it were, Marco Rubio has already endorsed JD Vans and Donald Trumps endorsed that the two of them running as a ticket. So I don't know the division within the chattering class. Once again, I don't think you see that in the ADMIN, and I don't think you see it with the base. 00:25:23 Speaker 3: I think we kind of laid this out in the last segment. I think the future of what happens in twenty twenty eight, which you know, it's fun to think about, but we have midterms in between, it could really be determined by what happens with this deal. Candidly, if this ends up going swimmingly, this is gonna be a huge boon for JD's prospects in the future, and if not, you might see Marco Rubio come in and clean up in phase two. In the Okay, they didn't honor their terms of the agreement, Marco is gonna probably play a heavy hand in that, I would think. But it is interesting this point you're making. I think back to that National Review magazine, the never trumpers against it was like all the names on that It's like every single name on that National Review cover are the ones that's saying this deal is no good. 00:26:10 Speaker 2: Yeah, one to one. 00:26:13 Speaker 7: This is the thing is you know, Look, I think some people were sincerely persuaded to support Trump after they opposed him in twenty sixteen, even when they very publicly opposed him. Trump just was really good and he proved a lot of them wrong. So I think there was some of that. But I think the basic fissures within the GOP, especially in the conservative movement, chattering class policy wonk types, I think those still exist. And so it's a curious fact that all of the people who are going most apoplectic over this deal, they're basically all the people who were in the the against Trump issue and the big never Trump movement. So those divisions haven't really gone away. I think you're totally right too that. I mean, I said this right when the bombs started dropping, and I ran, I said, this is the boldest move that Trump has made of his administration, and it poses the biggest risk. This really could tank his legacy. Now, Trump is very good at giving himself an out. So there is a world in which you have this MoU and then you have the sixty day negotiation period. Well, what's happening in about sixty seventy days? Oh, right, the midterm elections. There is a world in which this gets them through the midterm elections, and then the warhawks went out again, depending on Iran's behavior. Now, I hope that's not the case. I hope iron behaves. I hope this peace deal remains in place. I hope the straight up hor moves remains open and we can focus on other things. But with Trump, it's always unpredictable. That's his greatest foreign policy strength when he's negotiating well. 00:27:39 Speaker 3: And I think, you know, I'm reminded this clip from Charlie where he think it was on Jesse Waters the night It's like the Night or the night before Midnight Hammer, and he said President Trump knows his base very well, and he will not get us embroiled in a forever war and another quagmire in the Middle East. He knows his base very well well. And because of that, Charlie said, I've got his back. You know, it's no secret he was not in favor of Midnight Hammer, but he said, hey, once he made the decision to go, and I've got his back, and I trust him not to get us in a forever war. And look here we are three months and if you get the nuclear off the table, if we get the dust, if they let us in and go get it, and the straight remains open with no tolls, you gotta give the man some do here. If we can achieve this objective, if Iran comes to their senses and actually acts like a normal country, this would be a huge, huge win, historic legacy building kind of win. So here we go. The EU passes its strictest migration law in the EU's history, which it's still it's not like it's pretty bad. Still, it's still bad, but it's like it's in the right direction, okay. And then the Pope because he just has to. He said this. He criticized the blanket remigration as a solution. He says, many times we don't recognize the reasons why these people had to leave their countries, many reasons violence, war conflicts are simply saying, well, send them away so we can wash our hands of the problem. Doesn't seem like the most Christian response to me. We really needed to take a look at the cases and above all, treat people with respect as individuals. Now, I just have to say. 00:29:23 Speaker 2: The headline that we're getting with this is this is how the Daily Beast frames that Pope blasts trump backed immigration plan as not Christian. Yes, exactly, so that's how it goes. 00:29:32 Speaker 3: But here's the EU folks chanting send them back fifty three right, So that's about as exciting as any deliberative body in the EU will ever get. Send them back. 00:30:05 Speaker 2: They're not very exciting. 00:30:06 Speaker 3: That's not very exciting. Clip was about ten seconds too long. Anyways, knows what do I make of this? What do we make of this? Well? 00:30:13 Speaker 7: I love, of course the framing always has to be the Pope is attacking Trump, when the Pope's comments, like so many of his political comments, were kind of mild mannered. You know, as well, we need to consider the dignity of the migrant, which of course we absolutely have to do. Now, looking back at history, I seem to recall a servant of God, Queen Isabella of Spain. She was a pretty tough on the remigration issue. She did rain over the ray Conquista, ending eight hundred years of Muslim occupation of Spain. I think of Pope's Saint Pius the Fifth, during the Battle of Leponto. There were a lot of Turkish Muslims who wanted to migrate into Europe, and the Pope, with the help of our Lady and our Lord, turned them around in this improbable win, instituted of the feast of our lady, victory our Lady of the Rosary. So you know, I guess it's a mixed bag on immigration policy, over Catholic history, and in fairness to the Pope. When the Pope he makes these comments and he's speaking in defense of members of his flock. You know, some of the migrants, most of them are Muslims, I guess, but some of them are in his flock, and he's speaking of human dignity more broadly. But when he was really pressed on the issue last year, he on open borders, he said, no, no, no, nobody thinks a country should have open borders. A country has a right to determine who and how and when people come into the country. So when you really press him on the political issue, he's been clear about that, but I agree. I mean, I suppose in this case it's probably good for European migration policy that the Pope is not a member of any European parliaments. And you know, the Pope's brother does also seem to have a little bit of a different view on migration. So you know, look, really I am a Pope defender, I'm a Pope Leo enjoyer. I think really his papacy has been as pontificate has been a nice turn of events after recent years. But yeah, some of the political issues, he's a little more to the left, and happily, you know, he's not the one actually legislating in these countries. 00:32:06 Speaker 2: So I kind of want to get another pope thing because it links to another topic we wanted to We were hitting earlier about the left doesn't seem to love America as much anymore. And they actually asked the Pope who he would cheer for if Peru and the United States were to play each other, and he of course spent a long time as a as a priest in Peru, and it seems he said he'd probably cheer for Peru. And I'm not going to dive too deep into his personal feelings. But Michael, why don't people want to cheer for the United States? We would be the underdog against Peru. I suspect would we. I don't know. 00:32:43 Speaker 7: I'm really torn on this because I love America, but I really hate soccer and I don't want soccer to take root here. So I guess I have to route for the American team. 00:32:53 Speaker 2: You know. 00:32:53 Speaker 7: When it comes to the Pope saying I'd probably root for Peru, I do think part look, maybe he just really likes Peru. He spent a lot of time there. But part of it, I think is he's very sensitive. Is the first American pope. I don't think he wants to be seen as being too partisan or I don't know, too nationalistic about America. So he's not going to be in the United States on July fourth, He's going to be in Lampadusa. 00:33:14 Speaker 2: I think there's a little bit of that going on. 00:33:15 Speaker 7: The one upside to the Pope's American citizenship, we know how he voted, and we know he's the first pope who is a registered Republican. So I'll take it, you know, I'll take the wins there. In terms of these Democrat politicians, an elected Democrat congressman and the woman that he's running against in New York's thirteenth They said, who you're rooting for in the World Cup. One of them says Mexico. One of them says Senegal, And he say, good, what the heck? 00:33:41 Speaker 3: Man? 00:33:41 Speaker 7: You know, look, Democrats have hated America for a long time, but they used to be pretty chill about it, Like when Obama would come out and say, well, I'll want to fundamentally transform America. That is a statement of contempt for America. You don't want to fundamentally transform something you love. But at least he's still kind of he's subtle. He's saying, oh, you know, there's no red America, there's no blue America, United States, whatever. And so now they're just totally open about it. And I mean, I actually came to the conclusion last night these people should not vote. 00:34:10 Speaker 3: And I'm not even I'm not just. 00:34:11 Speaker 7: Being provocative or hyperbolic. If you certainly, if you're an elected representative, for goodness sakes, the congressman's title is US representative. You can't even vote for the US team in the World Cup that we're hosting. But but I kind of think you look at that CNN poll, Routers, Zipsos showing that that support among Democrats for pride in America. 00:34:30 Speaker 3: We have the last fight. I think we should play it the for the audience, notp thirty eight. You'll get the reaction and then you'll take us home. 00:34:37 Speaker 8: Here thirty eight, look at how we have an increasing polarization on this issue. We'll display the flag on July fourth, the American flag. Back in July at two thousand and one, look at this, you had sixty eight percent of Republicans, sixty five percent Democrats saying that they would in fact display the flag on July fourth. 00:34:55 Speaker 2: You come over to this side of the screen. 00:34:56 Speaker 8: Republicans basically are where they were twenty five, five years ago, write sixty four percent. But look at that Democratic percentage absolutely plummeting just twenty seven percent of Democrats say they will in fact display the flag on July fourth. 00:35:10 Speaker 3: In twenty twenty. 00:35:11 Speaker 8: Six, look at this again, the Democratic percentage absolutely plummets to just twenty nine percent of Democrats say there extremely are very proud to be an American. That Republican percentage the exact same. 00:35:24 Speaker 2: All right, final minutes to you Michael, what do you make of this? 00:35:29 Speaker 7: These people shouldn't vote, They should not be allowed to vote. I'm not even throwing bombs. 00:35:34 Speaker 2: No, I have lots of provocative thoughts about who shouldn't vote. So I'm yeah, well. 00:35:38 Speaker 3: Right, that's true. 00:35:39 Speaker 2: We could be here all day. 00:35:40 Speaker 7: You cannot enfranchise people who openly actively hate the country. The whole point of voting is so that people who have a stake in the country, who wish for the good of the country, can actually promote it. We now have elected representatives and ordinary voters who overwhelmingly and openly hate the country. If those are the people running the country, it ain't gonna go well for very long. I mean, and the fact that we're hosting a big soccer tournament maybe is evidence that our national decline is already upon us. 00:36:10 Speaker 2: It's done serious that if this is why immigration can be a hazard, you get people whose top priority is a foreign country. A foreign country Mexico agitates for its immigrants to do this. Plenty of other countries do too. Michael, it's very good to have you. We'll certainly be having you on more. I'm sure the Pope will say more things that will occasionally the Post. 00:36:30 Speaker 3: Says something else obnoxious. We're gonna we know who to call, Michael Noles. Thank you for your time, my friend. 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Actually, the Obama Library is opening up with a really crazy clip that the. 00:38:27 Speaker 2: Obama sand Crawler, the Obama Monolist, the Obama, the Obama Villain, nex Sluthor Headquarters. 00:38:35 Speaker 3: The abomination that causes desecration across the South side of Chicago. We've got this UFC terror plot that just keeps getting weirder and weirder. Uh. And I know that was top of your list here, Alex. So let's get to it. I'm gonna play a news report on it and get your reaction. 00:38:51 Speaker 10: Twenty one He's alert DHS confirming the suspected ring leader accused in a plot to carry out a mass casualty attack at the UFC event at the White House on Sunday is an illegal immigrant. 00:39:03 Speaker 11: Our colleagues over at Foxes will report the alleged ring leader of this incident, Abraham Alvarez, was in the country illegally from Mexico, but also may have been granted DACA status allowed to stay back into the Obama administration. 00:39:17 Speaker 10: Uh. 00:39:17 Speaker 3: Obama comes right background. You thought it was just that wasn't a misdirect So I thought dreamers just wanted the American dream, Alex. It turns out their idea of the American dream is a mass casualty terrorist event at the White House. 00:39:32 Speaker 9: Yeah, and there's so many dots to connect here. Of course, we were just completely hoaxed on all the dreamer stuff. We acted like they were all just going to be doctors and surgeons. Well actually some of them just end up doing major terra plots trying to blow up the White House during a sporting event. Just think about how triggered the anti Trump crowd was by that UFC event. Andrew Breitbart talked about this fifteen years ago. We've got to be the fun people, and we were so fun that we threw a big, massive event for tens of thousand people in the White House. Combat fights, the things that people love, combat sports that just there's nothing more popular in our culture than this right now. 00:40:07 Speaker 6: And they try to stop it with lawsuits. 00:40:09 Speaker 9: And then there are these dreamers trying to blow it up, and this guy overstaying visas because we don't police our visas a Mexican national. We first thought, I know, you guys had a great show title on this that was this is a Luigi plot, that this was Luigi Mangioni. It was someone who's gonna blow up the billionaires. Well, which is of course should be frowned upon at a minimum. But also now Luigi, I'm sure you guys caught this. His team is arguing that he's a psychotic that he is now has a psychiatric defense in his murder trial, even while people on the fringe left of our country treat him as he's still a hero. The left, every one of their narratives is crumbling right now, and we're watching it in real time. 00:40:46 Speaker 2: I mean, it's not even really crumbling. It just seems that is the left. The left. We've highlighted this many a time, that they are there's a polarization of mental wellness in the country that if you tell some if you're willing to tell a pole I've been diagnosed with amount of illness of some kind, you're vastly more likely to be on the left. They collect these ailments, these grievances, and that's such a core part of their ideology. That's what's driving the Mangionism. I am miserable and unhappy, and the problem is a billionaire, a builder, a doer. I could fix everything if I kill them. And that's why we highlighted this as a Mangionias plot. Even if they in some ways identified as on the far right, it's going on the horseshoe all the way back around because this revolutionary, all consuming, anarchic, destructive violence is fundamentally a part of the left. Yeah, it's horseshoe terrorism, Alex, That's what it is. 00:41:48 Speaker 9: Yeah, And that's why it feels like there's a huge laying opened up for saying people who are willing to actually use arguments and not just emotions for things. 00:41:57 Speaker 6: But if you look. 00:41:58 Speaker 9: At where I am at in California, where the state is completely destroyed by illegal aliens and is not just people streaming over the border, it's people overstaying visas. And now with Peter Schweizer's billion reporting the last year, we're learning more details in the birth tourism where people are coming in, they're not even coming in, they're sending surrogates. They're basically doing surrogacy. So a baby is born in America but is actually going to grow up in China and then has the freedom to come back and then bring their families through chain migration. That's all law in our country. And the fact that this is tied to Obama, this particular terror plot to Obama's Dreamers, one of Obama's precious Dreamers. The day his library opens up is just it's such a poetic moment. 00:42:40 Speaker 3: So I have to play this clip here for you it's do we have it right? 00:42:46 Speaker 2: Yes, we do. 00:42:48 Speaker 3: Obama, He's the gift that keeps on giving. They're doing a big press tour. I don't know if they're trying to raise more money because the contractors are stiffing some of the workers or whatever. But here's Valerie Jarrett, former Obama advisor, christening the Obama Presidential Center opening ceremony with some land acknowledgments. Fifty five. 00:43:11 Speaker 12: We'd also like to take a moment to recognize the original inhabitants of the land upon which we are gathered today. We honor the Initi Nabe, the Council of Three Fires, the Ojibwe, the Odawa, and the Potawanabe nations. 00:43:27 Speaker 3: So honest question, our land acknowledgment thing that Democrats do. Shout out Patawa Nation, not a special special Shout out to the Council of Three Fires. 00:43:40 Speaker 9: Shout out Gabrielino's, Shout out Tongvas, Shout out Navajo. 00:43:43 Speaker 6: We're just going to start every show. 00:43:44 Speaker 3: Shout out, shout out. We just get every show. We're just gonna have some new random tribal names. 00:43:49 Speaker 2: This show is taking place on unseated Arizona Cardinals Land. 00:43:53 Speaker 6: Yeah, well so so the we have to make fun of these people. 00:43:56 Speaker 9: We have no choice, and I love Achallees. 00:44:00 Speaker 6: Yeah they leave. It's no choice. 00:44:01 Speaker 9: And it's just I know a lot of people listen to audio. I tend to get the shows on audio. But you guys got to check out the visuals because that hairstyle is just beyond belief. She went to the same Lego shop. Yeah, she went to the same Lego shop as James Tallerico went, where they get the full hair pieces and you just snap them on to the top of your head. That's how she got that. It's just perfect. Every single strand is in perfect place. It looks like a Lego piece on her head. She was getting paid a fortune to do this, by the way, and just like you know, she's not even there, Like she was getting paid hundreds of that. I think it was like almost like a million dollars was her pay for to oversee this monstrosity. 00:44:38 Speaker 6: But it is. It is very inferior. 00:44:40 Speaker 9: If to make a serious point, there is a huge reconquist to movement in this country where they're trying to act like America is not a legitimate country. We don't really have a right to exist, and we're just invaders of the American, of the Native Americans, of the Mexican people who were here on the West coast. And that is something that we got to nip that in the butt. That should not be common language that's used. 00:45:01 Speaker 3: Well, I just took California Project. 00:45:03 Speaker 2: I just checked seven hundred and forty thousand dollars a year to build the at least the second ugliest building in America. 00:45:10 Speaker 3: Yeah, and the whole press tour that they're doing is just really offensive. So this, this one is I just I was shocked at this. The lack of self awareness. Self awareness check Michelle Obama top fifty. 00:45:23 Speaker 2: One word to describe your next chapter. 00:45:25 Speaker 12: One word funny. 00:45:29 Speaker 6: Uh me, that's what you call. 00:45:36 Speaker 3: The mic. 00:45:37 Speaker 2: Say a prayer for Big Mike, Say a prayer for Barry. There, Michelle Obama's going to be wearing the pants in the relationship. Now you might say that she is now the man in the relationship. 00:45:48 Speaker 9: Out big mic, but you got to shout it out. But first of all, the last thing people need is more me. We are in a very me age is not going great. A lot of mental health issues. People focus too much on me. I also know worthy she was in charge of school lunches for our kids and had to get the that shot herself pretty wild. 00:46:06 Speaker 6: And I don't know if you got. 00:46:07 Speaker 9: That clip of Barack Obama talking lamenting about how people are chasing money in online clout. The ultimate thirsty guy, the thirstiest boy in America is Barack Obama just had no track record and needed to be president for who knows what reason. These people are completely out of touch with the public. 00:46:24 Speaker 3: Oh and increasingly so that there Martha's vineyard lifestyle is really not help them connect with the everyday man. 00:46:35 Speaker 5: Mochelle Obama, Am. 00:46:39 Speaker 6: I right, America. 00:46:44 Speaker 3: Yeah, just to add to you know, I've never been like big on the whole big mic thing. It's just it's not my style, really, Alex. But to see how triggered everybody got about this, it it just it's too it's too good. I have to I have to keep playing that clip because it was a silly moment and everybody's like, oh, you disgrace the White House. No outrage when you know, some tranny's shaken his fake tatas you know, topless at the White House. And then you got you know, under Biden saying that it's a sacred, sacred space come. 00:47:18 Speaker 9: On, yeah, of course, and then who was the guy was on gay sex at the one of the briefing rooms or whatever it was. It's just like this, this stuff goes in and out of your head because like. 00:47:28 Speaker 6: It happened all the time. 00:47:30 Speaker 9: And yes, once the guy with the brass pulled his fake brass out on the White House lawn, then that was it. 00:47:38 Speaker 6: Remember Obama, I'm sorry. 00:47:40 Speaker 9: Biden had a flag violation where he's promoting the cuck flag, which is what I'm calling the pride flag. Now he's promoting the cook flag in a more favorable spot in the American flag. All this stuff, I won't even have a committed to memory because it's just stuff that just happened all the time, and it's not we took it as just that's just how the world is now. Is just the Biden administration constantly descreating in the White House. 00:48:02 Speaker 6: It's not that bad. It was a funny joke. 00:48:03 Speaker 9: And I haven't interviewed the guy who said that, but I know why he's doing it to irritate the scolds and the people who have no sense of humor. 00:48:11 Speaker 6: And he got what he wanted. 00:48:12 Speaker 3: He tweeted about it. He said, no outrage when you say Milania Trump is an escort. No outrage when you say Charlie Kirk brought death upon himself or Charlie deserved to die. So kiss my, you know what everyone? That was from Josh Hokitt, the the guy who, uh who said that very colorful line about Michelle Obama. 00:48:32 Speaker 9: So remember, you guys, remember when Kimmel was joking that Milania had widower energy. 00:48:40 Speaker 6: Remember, I'm sorry, she had widow energy. 00:48:44 Speaker 2: Expect expectant glow. 00:48:47 Speaker 6: She was an expectant widow. 00:48:48 Speaker 9: None of us have ever said that Michelle Obama has widower energy. Okay, none of us have ever said that. I did just say it, though. That's just just I'm just saying. 00:48:58 Speaker 3: I mean, wait, you're spicy, Dad. You woke up and you chose, you chose spice. 00:49:06 Speaker 2: I like it. 00:49:07 Speaker 3: Okay. I gotta get into this though, because I want our audience to be aware of this other story that's going on. So President Trump started playing some hardball. Now, we are not in favor of warrantless spying on Americans. Fiz A seven h two. It's never been something. We're good. We're on the Mike Lee train here in a big way. He's trying to get Save America Act passed. So President Trump ties, he said, I will not sign your FISA bill, Senate Republicans if you don't sign, if you don't also pass the Save America Act. Mike Lee is pushing again for this talking filibuster basically where you could just abate it till it passes. He said, don't do it all the time, just do it with this. I actually love that President Trump is playing some hard nosed politics here and tying something that the Senate GOP wants to what American people want, which is widely popular, wildly popular as well. And here's the other point of this. Dune has come out now and revealed to I guess Axios has admitted that some of the GOP Senate hates Trump so much that they will not pass the Save America Act. They will do it despite him. 00:50:16 Speaker 8: Yeah. 00:50:16 Speaker 9: I think at a minimum, we need all those people announced to the public so they become household names, so people like Turning Point Action have a very clear directives on who are the people who are causing problems for Republicans, for conservatives, for Trump's movement. I think getting those people out there on record that they're interfering with this obvious necessary thing, Save America Act super important. And then there's a backdoor chance that the strategy actually works and we're able to pull stuff off. There's a couple of steps that got to take place. We get a couple more Republicans to come around, and we got to blow up the filibuster, which I wasn't for it until actually Scott Bessen sort of talked me into it last year, saying that there's just no way to get stuff through unless we do this. And we know the Democrats have designs on not only blowing up the filibuster if they get into power, that they would. They want to jail all of us. They want to arrest everyone that they possibly can. They want to pack the Supreme Court butted Judge who was talking about making it thirteen Supreme Court justices. They're gonna do all sorts of different stuff. So we need to do use the power. We got to get as much done as we can. 00:51:17 Speaker 3: I love that. I'm actually gonna I'm gonna take that and run with it. I want to know the names the best listen. Jade Vance was asked about this actually in the White House presser. This morning, he said, give it a chance, at least give it a try, like put it, just do what Mike Lee's asking to do. Make them debate it, make them go on record. And if there are GOP senators that are politically insane enough to go against the president, to go against eighty one percent of Americans and fight this, we need their names, because yeah, we will get involved. Turning point action will be deployed to primary you. I'm sure there'll be a lot of other groups too. So go on record if you hate Trump so much that you're willing to do something against the interests of the American people, because just despite him, I want to know names. And I think that's a perfectly reasonable thing to get in a democracy. 00:52:09 Speaker 9: Right, perfectly reasonable. And we're look, this is the Charlie Kirk Show. We're announcing the intentions are. If you're gonna interfere with this, then you're gonna have to get primaried and you're gonna have to get challenged. And it might not work everywhere. It might not work in Maine with student Collins, but that needs to be the point that is made that the base of the conservative movement of Charlie was Charlie understood better than anyone does. Not like people who hold up basic things that can save the country. That's why it's the Save America Act. Not unintentional, that was the name. It's the stakes are that high, and so we're being polite. This is a we're not going to war with you physically. It's just we don't want you to be a representative in our Senate. 00:52:46 Speaker 2: And it's not even just the Save Act. It's just things like nominations. There's hundreds thousands of posts that need to be filled. A lot of them. I've been checking. For example, a lot of our major embassadorships. Someone got nominated March, April, even earlier. No one's confirmed. There's a lot of other positions that have nominies, judges. We might lose the Senate in November. There should not be a single position in this administration that has a person nominated for it when November rolls around. Every single one of them should be confirmed. Period. You are a Republican Senate, you exist to confirm nominees by a Republican president. There shouldn't be any waiting around. We're two years into this, Yeah, what are you doing? I mean, I give him very low marks, very very low. 00:53:35 Speaker 6: Once it's an impossible job. 00:53:37 Speaker 9: You're negotiating with the biggest egomaniacs on hers Thom Tillis, who just put his middle finger up all the time, so he's more time to get back to running his dog parades than he does. These people are impossible. I'm sympathetic to Thune in that way. But he did take the job. And this is the job. That is his job. It is it's the proverbial you had one job. It's getting these guys to come to the table. And he gets stuff done in the public once. 00:54:00 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're popular, stay in town and stay intown. Work work, show us that you're dedicated to this. The only success here and this is what I think Rick Scott would have been phenomenal at this. Rick Scott would have gone in there and not tried to sit on the fence and everybody's sort of ambiguous, are you with us or you're gains says no. Rick Scott would have been like, here's what we are doing, and we would have had clarity, if not agreement, we would have known exactly who the bad guys were. 00:54:24 Speaker 9: He can talk to all sides. That's one of his strengths Scott's strength. He can talk to the establishment. He can talk to the bright bar wing of the party. 00:54:30 Speaker 3: Yep, Alex Marlow the Alex Marlow Show on the the hour before he joins us. We get him right after he gets out, so check that out, check out his podcast, and of course check out breit Bart News. Thank you so much, Alex. We'll talk to you soon. 00:54:43 Speaker 6: Thanks, Love you guys. 00:54:45 Speaker 3: All right, right back at you, man. 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TikTok is a place where respect opens the door for discussion, and discussion helps us build something real. 00:55:38 Speaker 2: Well, we're turning back to the UK, as we sometimes call it Britain. It's a country we care a lot about. 00:55:45 Speaker 3: One they won their World Cup. They did on. 00:55:47 Speaker 2: Their World Cup match. They're very happy about that, Croatia, Croatia. But there's a lot of problems in Britain. We care about Britain. It is our mother country. It's where we got so many of the rights we care about, the traditions we care about, and they've been headed in a bad direction thanks to immigration and a whole bunch of other things. And the biggest symbol of this, which we've highlighted repeatedly, is the grooming gang scandal that for years in towns and cities across Britain, girls, native British girls were being groomed, sexually assaulted, raped traffic, working class white girls by heavily immigrant, mostly Pakistani gangs. The police often knew about this, did nothing, and it's gone viral again and again, and it's going viral right now because there is a new report on the grooming gangs went tremendously viral on x and we want to get some perspective on it. So we're joined by Adam Wren. He's the head of Open Justice UK. Adam, welcome to the show. Pleasure to be here again, all right now. So you were commenting on this. This is a lot of the details in this report have been getting a lot of attention. They're describing gang rapes, they're describing some absolutely wild trafficking. But you're saying there's some worthwhile perspective on this because this is not an official government report, correct Adam, No, that's correct. 00:57:13 Speaker 13: It was crowdfunded and it was carried out independently. So the people that have been interviewed for the report are people that have come forward to be interviewed for it, and it doesn't have access to government data, which is you know, the most unfortunate thing and one of the main things that's come out of the report is this two hundred and fifty k number. It stated, you know with certainty that two hundred and fifty thousand girls have been abused, and the you know, the unfortunate truth is we don't know how many girls have been abused, because you know, the police weren't investigating the crimes. They were letting people get away with it, and a lot of the girls died or were killed. And it's been going on for so long. I mean, the estimations range from the low ten ten thousands too. There was one Labor and Peter that estimated it might be up to a million. 00:58:06 Speaker 2: We just don't know, and that's the key thing. We don't know. And you were flagging this not to downplay anything in the report, but precisely because describe for our audience, because I think it's so hard for Americans to grasp what happened in Britain over the span of that grooming scandal, where the working class aspect of this, the class dynamics played a role where for years they were dismissive of this, they did ignore this. Give our viewers a primer and just what they were doing, what the police and lawmakers were doing during this period where this was unfolding. 00:58:39 Speaker 13: Yes, sir, I mean the girls would go to the police and they would be ignored, they would be sent home. We have some examples of the police being called to a house that would have, you know, multiple men in a five, six, seven, ten men and the police would remove the girl from the house and then driver back to the house later on. There was one case with the survivor we worked with called Fia, where the police officer allegedly drove her back to the house and then told the men to have fun with her after checking her ID. And apparently he checks her ID and thought she was over eighteen. She was I think seventeen at the time, so he said, oh, it's perfectly legal, you can do what you want with her. Yeah, he drove her back to. 00:59:17 Speaker 2: That And there's a there's an allegation in this report, for example, that the police arrived and this girl was claiming abuse and they dismissed it because she was apparently twelve years old and they thought, oh, it's she's just a prostitute. And then yeah, twelve years old. Oh yeah, it's just a child prostitute, you know, plying her trade. And they were asking is this consensual, and apparently she said she did not know what consensual meant, that she didn't know the vocabulary word. Just there's so many accounts like this, and even if this is not an official government report, A lot of these allegations that they they ring true, don't they? Yeah? 00:59:55 Speaker 13: I mean absolutely, And it raises so many questions. You know, the age of consent is sixteen over here for people of a we have like Romeo and Juliet laws where you know, so a seventeen year old and a sixteen year old and prosecuted for being in a relationship. But there's there's in no world should a police officer find a goal of you know, fifteen, sixteen or twelve in a house with men thirty years forty years older than her and not immediately think this is at least statutory rape, like even if they even if they're under some even even prostitution is not legal, right, So the fact that they would dismiss it as just prostitution that's something they're supposed to investigate and arrest. It makes it is the entire thing is bethling it genuinely. It's I think it's really hard for people, even people who are here, to wrap their heads around. 01:00:42 Speaker 2: So why is it happening? Why are police behaving in this way? Is this? Are they being told to do this because they're for lack of a better term, lefties. Are they doing this because they've hired people from these communities and they basically will side with these immigrant groups that are perpetrating these crimes. How are you getting this dynamic with police because a race action plan? Yeah, I just I just don't understand as an American we have our imperfect police at times, but this is so difficult for us to fathom. So how's it happened? How's it coming about in a country that's a lot like us in many ways. 01:01:18 Speaker 13: I think that, I mean, there are multiple reasons. There's I think that you know, our police committed to anti racism and so they're very afraid. They have a lot of internal mechanisms for police officers that are accused of racism, something that individual officers are afraid of. There are some cases of officers being convicted for being involved, and those are officers from those communities. And I think there's also, you know, a classism element where these girls were you know, working class they were from. They were from bad homes. You know, they didn't have a mother or a father, they weren't present, they were in care. Many of them were actually have to buy the state so they were living in state run care homes. Presence, you know, the parents weren't present in the picture at all, and there was just this perception of them being you know, wild and. 01:02:13 Speaker 2: Worthless, wild and worthless. That's astonishing. 01:02:18 Speaker 3: Yeah, I have a So there was a report here I saw from kray MoU and I wanted to fact check it with you. He highlights it and read here. It says, while Sir Keir Starmer was the Director of Public Prosecutions, it had been report it has been reported that thirteen thousand suspected rape gang members and pedophiles were let off with warning letters. And it goes on to implicate Mayor of London Cidi Khan repeatedly insisted there were no grooming gangs. This feels like an abject betrayal of the British people by the now Prime Minister and the Mayor of London. Is this true? 01:02:54 Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, I imagine the stat is correct. I think what it's referring to is we have something called like a corn notice, which is basically a child abduction notice. And this this, you know, might sound insane. It sounded insane to me when I first learned of their existence. But we actually issue basically worn in letters to some of these gang rapists saying that you know, this child isn't allowed to be in their presence. So I'm not I'm not sure where they found the stat that those were all issued to rape gang members, but I the existence of those those warning letters and the amount of them, yeah, I I it's probably about right. 01:03:36 Speaker 10: It is. 01:03:36 Speaker 13: It is insane. 01:03:38 Speaker 2: So this is a discussion we've had offline or online before. You've told me part of what's driving this. You say, there's this ideology that's infected the police, where instead of their number one priority being punish criminals, they feel they have this mandate above all prevent riots, manage communities. It's almost like there it's like they're occupying a foreign country and their job is to just keep a lid on things. Is that a fair characterization. They're not investigating these things. 01:04:08 Speaker 3: They're quelling the the the passions of the native inhabitants. 01:04:11 Speaker 2: Yeah. 01:04:12 Speaker 3: Yeah. 01:04:12 Speaker 13: And there's there's also the police are just, for whatever reason it might not even necessarily be a racial angle angle, they're just very, very interested in pursuing things that they terms as hate crimes and not really that interested in other things. So I have a friend recently that told me he was in London. He was walking down the road and some kids, some teenagers, basically run up to him and like practically pushed him off his bike. So he called the police, and the police you know, didn't care at all until he said that one of the kids shouted and he called him. I don't know if I can say it. They called him the F word, And then suddenly the police like leapt into action and they were like, oh, you know, did that did that upset you? Like, you know, are you? 01:04:53 Speaker 3: You know? Are you? 01:04:53 Speaker 13: Are you a member of that community? And they were suddenly interested in, you know, turning up and maybe arresting these kids because a perceived hate crime has taken place. 01:05:03 Speaker 3: Well, there must be some sort of permission structure that exists at some level within the bureaucracy where they get a pat on the back, they get a little cookie for prosecuting a hate crime or you know, arresting somebody guilty of using a bad word. It's got to be structural. This has to be baked in throughout the bureaucracy because but they seem to have lost their damn minds, is what it feels like from the outside. 01:05:27 Speaker 2: So so we wanted to have you on Adam, because we mentioned it's incredibly viral in the US, they're taught. I've seen people pointing out that in Britain you have no ban on a Bill of attainder so Congress, so your Parliament could theoretically publish or publish punish a lot of people who greatly deserve punishment over this. But that speaks to the bigger reality, which is there's a huge surge in public anger in Britain. We also saw this with the Henry Novak case, where suddenly major politicians they're talking about two tier policing, they're talking about who really is an Englishman a British person, remigration they're talking about remigration. Is this do you think we're on the brink of, for lack of a better term, a political revolution in Britain that will undo the trajectory of your country. 01:06:20 Speaker 13: I think we're definitely trended in the right direction. There's a friend of mine, a reporter at GBN News, Charlie Peters, who who recently uncovered that the Essex Police Force and an internal document had actually used the phrase you know, unprotected groups when referring to basically native people, which you know, got a lot of attention. You know, in comparison to all the protected groups with there's definitely a lot more awareness of this stuff, and there's a lot more public calls for a lot of these laws to be outright scrapped and the public angers is it's becoming very palpable put it that way. 01:06:59 Speaker 3: Yeah, I question for you. 01:07:00 Speaker 2: Yet. 01:07:00 Speaker 3: You know, I've been having conversations with Brits quite a bit lately and I've a common theme comes up, and that is that a lot of this you could trace it back to Tony Blair, which I was not aware of. I wasn't really paying attention when Tony Blair was Prime Minister. 01:07:15 Speaker 2: Basically rewrote the English the British Constitution to a dramatic degree. 01:07:21 Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, I know we didn't really prep you on that one, Adam, So you know, feel free to defer or side step. But is that something that people are coming to grips with? Is there a reckoning with some of this like slow malaise of liberal excess that started with Tony Blair? 01:07:39 Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean there is. You know, he gave us a lot of the rot really started here with things like the Equality Act, which you know, while it sounds nice, who doesn't like equality. It trenches you know, what we call positive discrimination into the workplace, into the police forces. And it's an enormous piece of documentation. It's like three hundred pages long, and it's it's it's become you know, it's doing all kinds of things that you know, we have people being dismissed from the from the workforce. It's just there's there's a lot of there's a lot of legislation that they put into place, i think knowing perhaps that they were going to lose power. But if they transform the institutions, even if they're not you know, in government, they're still in control. As long as as long as they're not repealed, nothing nothing will ever change nothing. Really, there's no uh, there's no revolution without repeal. 01:08:36 Speaker 3: Let's say, are they now are the two political parties on the right now you've got reform, uh and you've got restore. Are they actively talking about reforming this Equality Act or any of this legislation? Is that part of the platform actively trying to address those issues? 01:08:53 Speaker 13: They are? 01:08:53 Speaker 4: Yeah. 01:08:53 Speaker 13: The difficulty is that the the Equality Act is is so big and so old. It's been added to and modified so many times that it was you know, it's the genesis of you know, equal pay for equal work, which came about, you know, a long long time ago, I think like nineteen seventeen or something like this. You know, it's it's how men and women are guaranteed equal pay. So it's not this thing that you can just repeal and get rid of. They're obviously parts of it that you know, we like and we think are good. So it's really quite a technical task of coming through it and trying to amend it so it's not so poisonous. It's worse than you guys probably, even though we have a city of a here called Birmingham and it's actually bankrupt because our judges have ruled that council workers and bin men should be paid the same, and the bin men ended up basically going on strike. So the city is now filled with trash. As you would say. 01:09:55 Speaker 3: Min men would be trash collectors in our parlance. Here, throw this out. I want to throw this poll up. This is a parent I'm told this is the most recent polling between Labor Reform and restore and in I guess Conservative, Green, libdem and others. 01:10:12 Speaker 2: Right, this is a by election that's a big they're actually trying to replace Cure Starmer right with this guy who's running there. 01:10:18 Speaker 3: So exactly, so explain what to the audience what we're looking at. We have about a minute and a half left here at them. 01:10:24 Speaker 13: Yes, so we have a Labor MP running against Starmer, we have Reform running against Starmer, and we have Restore basically wanting to replace Reform. So Restore a little to the right of Reform. And they're by an MP that was kicked out of the party and is now disgruntled. He doesn't think they're going far enough or that they're serious enough. 01:10:44 Speaker 12: Lo. 01:10:46 Speaker 13: Yeah, all this this demonstrates, really is that everybody's unhappy with Starmer. Even the Labor MP running is running on a platform of you know, if you elect me, I'll be Prime minister instead. 01:10:54 Speaker 3: Wow. 01:10:55 Speaker 2: Interesting, when is that? When is the election happening? 01:10:58 Speaker 13: It is today? 01:10:59 Speaker 2: It's today and yes, so we'll give those results by the und good this afternoon. That means that's incredible. But so it's speaking to it. I mean, for those who can't see the chart, it is Reform is five below Labor, but Restore is seven. So it seems clear we need to find a way for restore and reform to unite. Is that possible or can that happen? Or otherwise are they gonna be unable to save their country? 01:11:22 Speaker 13: There's so much bad blood. I don't think it is. What's interesting is some restore voters might actually be coming from labor. There's been some. We will know after this election, but it's it's It might not be the case that restore voters are just disgruntled reform voters. They might be labor voters, and they might be If you remember Trump's the most recent presidential election, it was so powerful because they motivated a lot of people that never voted before. That might be the case here. 01:11:50 Speaker 2: Fascinating. 01:11:51 Speaker 3: Well, we're gonna watch then and probably talk about it tomorrow. Adam Wren, thank you so much for explaining all of that to us. And we really wish the best for the UK. 01:12:01 Speaker 2: We want the UK to get its mojo back. It's well pastime. 01:12:05 Speaker 3: Thank you. 01:12:09 Speaker 2: For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to Charliekirk dot com.