Tyler Robinson Hearing: The Final Wrap-Up

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Hold on, Kurt, you sent me you got a new one, American Warlord that's coming up. 00:01:49 Speaker 2: I want to make sure we give you that. 00:01:51 Speaker 3: Kurt, you're like a lawyer, Well you're not like a lawyer. You are a lawyer, and yet you're also a novelist, which you're prolific, by the way. So I want to give you a lot of coup goes for that, and so welcome to the show. We also have the very online famous and famous for his company, Justin Nazarov, CEO of Phoenix Ammunition. 00:02:12 Speaker 2: Gentlemen, welcome to the show. It's good to have you. 00:02:15 Speaker 3: Both on as we're waiting here since we do have a munition's expert, ballistics expert. Let's start there, what are some of the biggest misconceptions, because justin I've seen you all over online right now, you're just going ham on everybody when it comes to ballistics. What are the biggest misconceptions you're seeing and what do you want to set the record straight with. 00:02:37 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I think the first misconception is that there's something unusual about the lack of an exit wound. Previous to this preliminary hearing, we really didn't know the projectile that was being used. And now it's been you know, confirmed and identified as a Remington corlock, very very very in soft point realm that's been around for decades, and anybody who's used one can tell you that jacket separation, fragmentation is something that can absolutely happen when these projectiles strike bone. And so this this whole idea that it could not have happened, and so therefore any suggestion that it was a bullet that that killed Charlie must mean that there's some kind of greater conspiracy in play, you know, exploding microphones, electrocution, all this kind of stuff. I mean, we're seeing it now. These are the things that certain podcasters have been speculating on for months, and now we're actually seeing the evidence in court and it's pretty obvious what happened. You know, this is uh, this is a This is very very common with hollow point and soft point projectiles. 00:03:58 Speaker 2: It's it's not an unusual. 00:04:00 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know you always hear that expression. Bullets do funny things. They're unpredictable. This is the point you've been making for a while, did you, Phoenix? You were early on this, and Kurt, I don't know if you're a gun aficionado, but basically you made the point. That's sixteen out of seventeen of the thirty odd six caliber rounds that Remington manufacturers have this type of soft tip, which you would expect to sort of balloon out or mushroom out design, not to leave an exit. When what's the point of that For those that are unaffiliated with hunting or sports shooting. 00:04:37 Speaker 5: Well, look, as a lawyer, first of all, as an officer, I wasn't allowed to have a gun because I probably shoot myself in a foot. But you know what Justin's really doing here is a great job. I'm a big fan from online. I was reading his stuff today and he's providing a role here as an expert witness, right, who's giving us expertise that normal people don't have. And as a lawyer, you know, I didn't know all this stuff, but I had I had the advantage of getting guys like Justin In who could explain things in common parlance so that regular folks could understand. And Justin was talking about that today. He was talking about how soft point bullete wor what the purpose of jacketing is, how this ammunition's designed. And you know this is these are powerful facts that Justin's providing, not speculation, not nonsense, not elmer fudlore. He's giving He's giving real, real solid information. So I'll defer to him on the specifics. But if I was a lawyer, I would hire someone like him as my expert witness, and then I would argue the hell out of everything he's taught the jury. 00:05:48 Speaker 3: Well, you're talking from this some blake and I talk a lot about you're talking about evidence. You're talking about proof. Actually that's being presented in the court a law now. And I think we've had ten minds of a vacuum. And by the way, it's today is the ten month mark. Which is worth noting. And we've had ten months though of just this vacuum of facts and evidence. Now you see vacuums and facts actually being ejected into the conversation. And yet there are still people that refuse, that are doubling and tripling down. 00:06:21 Speaker 2: And I'll go to either of you on this. 00:06:23 Speaker 6: Well, I actually I think I want to go out since we have Kurt the novelist with us. 00:06:28 Speaker 2: Kurt, just you've written stories. 00:06:31 Speaker 6: What does this commitment to a fan fiction? Yeah, fan fiction fan horror that they get very attached to narratives that we can see require huge leaps of logic, they don't stand up in the face of evidence, and they only get more committed. 00:06:48 Speaker 7: To them over time. 00:06:50 Speaker 2: What's going on here? 00:06:52 Speaker 5: Well, look, some people are stupid, some people are mentally ill, but most people have a bias words never admitting fault. It's hard to admit you're wrong. I mean, and even among attorneys, and we pride ourselves at being objective, at looking at facts and following them wherever they go, and then you know, and then arguing the case for our client as best we can. You know, it's human nature to have pride and not want to say you know, I listen to a bunch of podcasting shysters, a bunch of clowns, and they misled me and and again. I want to go back to Justin because I'm so impressed by the way he calmly and thoroughly explains the facts. It's no no you know, no no fluff, no anger, no screaming or yelling. It's just here's the facts. Here's how it works, and people of good faith will respond to that. People who are suddenly defensive because they've been wrong about something and they're frankly embarrassed, you're never going to convince them. But most normal people are subject to changing their minds when they see compelling evidence, and I think the kind of compelling evidence Justin's providing is an expert, is immensely useful. 00:08:20 Speaker 3: Gentlemen, I'm just being told in my ear that they're coming back from this break, Justin. 00:08:24 Speaker 2: I wanted to get you in so much more here, man. 00:08:28 Speaker 3: Because you have been doing the Lord's work shutting down so much of this garbage. I have no idea how long they're going to be on for, so I'm not sure if you guys can stick around. 00:08:37 Speaker 2: Kurt. 00:08:38 Speaker 3: I know you can We're going to take the hearing until the next break. So back to the hearing and we'll talk to these gentlemen hopefully in a few all Right, what you're seeing here, ladies and gentlemen, is that John Madden style compilation video of where Tyler Robinson was traced on campus. And the court ruled that that was not going to be broadcast for public. Then Jeffrey Nyman, who is the family representative for the Kirk family, asked that the family be able to see that, so the judge ruled that they could. 00:09:15 Speaker 2: He's now chosen for that. 00:09:17 Speaker 3: To happen now, so Erica, Kathy rob Kirk, the Kirk family collectively are now able to watch that compilation video with enhancement zoom in's kind of red circles that draw your eye to it. That's how I've been told it had that video described. So they are doing that now. And by the way, good job Jeffrey Nyman. He's been excellent, excellent in representing the family's wishes and pushing for speed, pushing for transparency. So a lot of progress there, thanks to mister Nyman. 00:09:51 Speaker 2: Okay, this whole thing was so boring this morning. 00:09:55 Speaker 3: Yes, and I feel like that is. Yeah, yesterday, Yeah, yesterday was very substance. Today was not. I want to bring up something as we're seeing that that we're not seeing it. But presumably the video is being played right now in court for the family. 00:10:10 Speaker 2: Katie mckinady, who's a friend. 00:10:13 Speaker 3: She's also a lawyer, former White House Press secretary, she is come out on the offensive, saying. 00:10:19 Speaker 2: That she is it's mind blowing to her. 00:10:23 Speaker 3: Judge Tony Graff citing article in section twenty eight of the Utah Constitution that allows Erica Kirk and the family to be treated with respect, et cetera, et cetera, and she goes, but I would love for him to cite UTAH Code seven seven three eight seven two that gives Erica Kirk and her family the quote right to a speedy disposition of the charges free from unwarranted delay caused by or at the behest of the defendant. So under Utah Code there can't be undue delay. She then goes on to say that in the United States of America, the average plea is made by a defendant within twenty four to forty eight hours of an incident. Twenty four to forty eight hours, we are now closing in on the year mark. We're at ten months today, and the judge yesterday said, instead of issuing his ruling on whether this has reached probable cause, which we all know that it has, he has instead said, I'm gonna wait till September first. We're gonna have another hearing September first. It is July tenth, so you know, you do the math. It's almost two months away to then rule that, yes, we have reached probable cause. 00:11:30 Speaker 6: Now she said forty eight hours on average for a play, and we'll be looking at one hundred and eight thousand hours. 00:11:36 Speaker 3: So many many multiples of that. So yeah, it is. It is frustrating, you know. I think in general, Judge Graf has done a pretty good job. 00:11:47 Speaker 2: I have notes. I think he could control the defense. 00:11:51 Speaker 7: Eight thousand hours. I should correct my math on that. 00:11:53 Speaker 2: Okay, there you go. 00:11:54 Speaker 3: In general, I mean, I think the larger criticism of the way he's handling this is he's just lose in control of the clock and this is dragging on too long. 00:12:03 Speaker 2: I mean that questioning that we just went through on the DNA I I my eyes were. 00:12:09 Speaker 3: Blazing over And maybe that's the point, Maybe that is the strategy that they're intended. 00:12:14 Speaker 2: It's it's tough to know. 00:12:15 Speaker 3: But in general he's been pretty good, okay, And he made a great decision yesterday to reverse his previous ruling and allowed more transparency in the lax Lance Twigs video. He deserves a lot of uh, you know, he deserves uh acknowledge it acknowledgment from. 00:12:34 Speaker 2: Us that that was the right decision. 00:12:37 Speaker 3: But this is just this is beginning to become a clown show in just how long it's taking. And so hopefully that point is made either by the state or by Jeffrey Nyman before we get too far along here today, because you know, I think the I think the point has been made the prosecution notably, I don't know if we I think we have that clip. As a matter of fact, the prosecution today made the point that this was yeah, here you go. 00:13:06 Speaker 2: Can we can we play this studio six? 00:13:08 Speaker 8: Judge, your owner has your honor has heard four days of testimony. Now the evidence is overwhelming, it's devastating, and the question needs to be asked the purpose of continuing with testimony if it's long and drawn out. Of course, the defense has the right to call witnesses but it needs to be within the context of this preliminary hearing. 00:13:31 Speaker 3: So your honor has heard four days of testimony. Now the evidence is overwhelming. It's devastating. This was the same thing that we heard yesterday. 00:13:41 Speaker 2: So exactly. 00:13:42 Speaker 6: It's it's like, I think of what my friend the lawyer said, We're getting a lot of intense detail on microscopic analysis of bullet fragments. We're getting a lot of intense detail. I think to blur. You know, DNA's complicated subject. Oh what what are these alle what's a allell? People don't remember this stuff. You get a lot of analysis on that. To minimize the amount of time anyone is spending thinking on there were multiple confessions by the defendant by text, by in person, according to person's testimony. Multiple people heard it on multiple forums, and they just want to minimize the amount of attention on that because, as you say. 00:14:23 Speaker 2: It's devastating. Let's go back to this. 00:14:26 Speaker 3: And by the way, apologies, apparently something happened with my microphone and the audio was poor for a moment there. I do apologize, But let's go through the facts here. You've got law enforcement, Tyler Robinson did it. Tyler's trans boyfriend, Tyler Robinson did it. Tyler's dad, Tyler did it, Tyler's mom, Tyler did it. The evidence, in my humble opinion, points to Tyler Robinson doing it. Whether that's the video surveillance evidence, or the confessions and texts, the DNA, the forensic evidence, all of these things point in one direction. And so you've got to you've got to wonder, with all of those different pieces of the puzzle here pointing to Tyler Robinson, what would the judge need to do to be convinced to make a ruling today? And that's certainly the hope, but we've from what we've seen from this, you know, situation with the judge and the way that he tends to operate. Unfortunately, I don't think that's going to happen. I think we're gonna have to wait till September first for Tyler Robinson actually issue a plea based. 00:15:39 Speaker 6: On the judge ruling this, we'll have been hearing on September first. Who might even delay to that point we may get past the symbolic one year mark, which I think is insane. In fact, if you want a big picture thing from this that I think about this might be worth generating a bit of a discussion of how do our actual criminal justice systems operate? How long does it take to get a defendant to plea, to trial into prison if they're guilty now versus fifty years ago, now versus before COVID. I think everything got worse during COVID. Do we need to have more judges? Do we need to have more court personnel? Do we need to have more court houses? Do we need to streamline the process? 00:16:17 Speaker 2: I want to talk about. You know what it is, it's the appeals. 00:16:20 Speaker 3: I'm convinced that Judge graph Is. He seems to me like a very decent human being. He's trying his best to be impartial, and I think what he's trying to do is protect the case from appeal and from some sort of technicality, because guess what mister Novak keeps threatening, right, he's saying, this is a violation of the fourteenth Amendment. 00:16:40 Speaker 2: You know, my client six and fourteenth Amendment rights. What is that? 00:16:43 Speaker 3: In translation lawyers speak, we're going to get this thing overturned or we're going to something. You know, something is going to be done to upend this case and this proceeding, and it sounds like it seems like he's been successful in some regard cowing judge graph. 00:16:58 Speaker 6: We all got that sinking and feeling in our I'm like yesterday when that letter was briefly displayed and we thought, Okay, they're gonna run with us, and lo and behold today they're running with us. 00:17:08 Speaker 2: That's all they have. 00:17:08 Speaker 7: This letter was blasted out to everyone. 00:17:10 Speaker 6: We need to take the cameras out of the courtroom, which if they're successful on that, that means more room for weird conspiracy theorists to run wild. That means more room for Oh, we can hope someone who's really hooked on this stuff gets into the jury pool. 00:17:24 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:17:25 Speaker 3: Well, and here's here's what I'll say. So that that gentleman that would just droned on for a couple like an over an hour, basically I'm looking at the tape from it. He got two different instances where Caitlyn Oliver, the ATFDNA Section chief who was the defense witness, testified that it was like at least one trillion times more likely that it was Tyler Robinson's DNA. 00:17:50 Speaker 2: She said that twice, one trillion and then and that's a ceiling. 00:17:53 Speaker 6: It's more than a trillion, because that's where they cap it. 00:17:56 Speaker 2: Yeah exact people don't know what octilian is. Yeah, exactly so. 00:18:00 Speaker 3: But the whole thing is, you know, I get if you're a conspiracy theorist online you think this is all fed slop. I get it for us living in the real world here. I don't know what else you're looking for if you're judge grap This is the month we celebrate our independence as a country, and real Americans know that there is no liberty or pursuit of happiness without life. 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Great friend of the show, and he's a great friend of Charlie. 00:20:08 Speaker 2: Steve, welcome. 00:20:11 Speaker 3: We've got a lot of little details here to wrap up, and I'm going to update the audience on them first, and then we're gonna get to your perspective of what's happened, and then some bigger concepts that I think are important to explore. So just after court wrapped the preliminary hearing wrapped, there was a statement made by the Kirk family and I'm gonna read that, and then there was a filing as well. So here it is. This is from the Kirk family. The conclusion of the preliminary hearing marks an important step forward in the pursuit of justice for Charlie. Our family is grateful for the prayer, support, and kindness that has been extended to us, especially through these unimaginably painful and emotionally damaging, demanding proceedings. As difficult as these last few days have been, it brings our family comfort to know that the world has witnessed the overwhelming evidence of what occurred to Charlie that day. Nothing will ever undo the loss of our beloved Charlie. As this case moves into its next phase, we pray that truth will continue to be heard through a process that is fair, transparent, and grounded in the facts. Okay, So the kirk family, that would be obviously Erica along with Rob Charlie's father, and Kathy Charlie's mother, issued that jointly on behalf of the family. Then immediately after Steve and Blake, the family representative Jeff Nyman issued he put forward to filing a sort of requesting prompt resolution to the matter of probable cause, right, So that is the legal threshold that must be reached in order to. 00:21:49 Speaker 2: Take this to a full trial. 00:21:51 Speaker 3: So in this and I believe we have the image here, he filed this like almost immediately. 00:21:56 Speaker 2: It was very quick work. He said. 00:21:58 Speaker 3: We are approaching the one year anniversary of Charlie's assassination, which is just mind boggling on its face. Ten months have passed since the defendants arrest, and the five day preliminary hearing has now concluded. The defendant is entitled to a fair trial and he must receive one, but he is not entitled to cause undue delay in the criminal justice process. The family is likewise entitled to a speedy resolution. Utah Code seventy seven thirty eight seven provides that quote, the victim of a crime has the right to a speedy disposition of the charges, free from unwarranted delay caused by or at the behest of the defendant. The family trust this court to ensure the case proceeds without further delay. We respectfully urge this court to issue its probable cause determination no later than September one, twenty twenty six, Which is significant because right now Judge Graff has said that they'll have a hearing on September one, right, which means that Steve, we could possibly get to beyond a one year anniversary out before we even know if this is going to go to trial, before a probable cause determination has been. 00:23:08 Speaker 6: Made, and we know it's going to be four hours of oral argument at least plus thirty five pages of briefs from each side in that hearing, so it could be very tempting for him to kick the can down the road past that hearing date. 00:23:24 Speaker 3: Steve, your thoughts on balancing Judge Grafts balancing Act of the Constitutional Rights of Tyler Robinson with the family's rights to a speedy disposition of justice. 00:23:36 Speaker 10: Well, guys, I did some of my own research today, and then I've heard from some other folks way more knowledgeable on this kind of procedure legally, and this is very abnormal the amount of time that it takes to get to this juncture. The only thing that I can say that because I do think overall, based on what I've seen this week, I do think the judge has been conscientious. The only thing I can think of to justify this length of time is twofold number one. Because of how high profile this is. This is the most high profile martyring in America, at least since the summer of sixty eight when you had RFK and then MLK that spring. This is the most viewed murder in all of human history. And so therefore, and then the unprecedented cottage industry of wackadoodal conspiracy theories that have come up surrounding it over the last several months, that he is trying to do everything he can to make sure this case is open and shut and doesn't give an obvious room for appeal, and is trying to do everything again to make sure that all eyes are dotted and all teaser crossed, and then maybe hoping that this may never go to trial, that with the amount of time that all this evidence has mounted and been simmering. I think that you have watched within within our movement in industry over the last seventy two hours, there have been a lot of people jumping or turning around and saying, to a lot of the the wack adoudal conspiracy theorists, you know, this just is we're off the reservation here. We shouldn't have let it get to this far, and to this juncture, you guys are essentially essentially of excommunicated yourselves. And so maybe he's hoping that with this amount of evidence out there, that that might proclude, maybe motivate the Tyler Robinson folks to take a plea deal to avoid a trial living through all this evidence all over again, and and we can now just say justice was done and moved out and move on. But those are the only two things, and I'm projecting in both of those, those are the only two things I could find for any rationale for this length of time to get to the point of even declaring probable cause, especially when you're looking at the amount of open and shut evidence there is. You know, I was I was watching today when the defense attorneys were attempting five different ways to ask a question that was inadmissible and kept getting sustained and thrown out, to try and question the DNA sequencing of their own witness. And if you're trying to, if that's where you're at in your defense, you're trying to you're trying to frame your own witness to the point that you're getting frequent objections against your own your own questions. At that point, then I think you can see the shaky ground the defense is on here because of just how overwhelming this evidence is. 00:26:21 Speaker 3: You're one thousand percent right here, And that was my big takeaway. There wasn't much activity in the courtroom today as far as new evidence, but the one witness that was called forward by the defense ended up making great points for the state. And we have a couple of these clips. We'll play one of them. It's about as an ATF DNA section chief, right, and so she again, this is the defense's witness. When the state gets up and cross examined examines her, this is what they get. 00:26:51 Speaker 11: Tot Seven, What was your conclusion as to the likelihood ratio that you analyzed in this question. 00:26:58 Speaker 12: In calculation number three for this exhibit, the DNA profile was at least one trillion times more likely if it originated from Tyler Robinson as the major component and three unknown unrelated individuals than if it originated from four unrelated individuals. 00:27:17 Speaker 11: You say at least one trillion times more likely, So it could be a much higher number than one trillion. 00:27:23 Speaker 2: Is that accurate? 00:27:24 Speaker 11: It's possible, But the protocols in your laboratory say you cap that at the number one trillion. 00:27:33 Speaker 7: Is that right? 00:27:33 Speaker 13: Correct? 00:27:34 Speaker 12: We would not report a number higher than one trillion. 00:27:36 Speaker 11: It looks like you also did a probability statistic as well in paragraph e. 00:27:41 Speaker 12: The probability of an unrelated individual in the population who has not contributed DNA to the sample yielding this level of support is less than one in a trillion. 00:27:52 Speaker 3: Okay, so that's the defense's star witness that just linked evidence to Tyler Robinson won in a trillion. But that's where they cap it, So it could have been much I mean, we were hearing act. 00:28:04 Speaker 6: And yeah, Trilia just camp it out at one in the number of cells in your body, I think. 00:28:10 Speaker 3: And by the way, I was getting bombarded with texts, Steve, from people that are in the legal profession, former prosecutors, all this kind of stuff unrelated to the case. But they're watching it, right, and they just kept the same guy that's doing all the forensic you know, examine a witness questioning on behalf of the defense is really hard to listen to, Like your eyes glass over. It is completely not fun to watch, right, This is not riveting TV. And I think that's the point. But it's they kept making the point that it is really going to turn a jury off and it's going to exasperate the judge. It's not a good winning strategy here, so that's the defense's best shot. Okay, Now let's go back to what you just said about the plea deal. And this is I think actually a little bit more interesting here because during the course of the week you saw the defense fighting tooth and nail to keep out what are called enhancements. Enhancements are legally important because that's what justifies a death penalty in a case like this, right, so if you can put an enhancement in Blake, actually you know this pretty well because you know the case. 00:29:14 Speaker 7: Well, yes, it's just you need. 00:29:16 Speaker 6: Unfortunately, our glorious Supreme Court, in one of its slightly more liberal eras, said that you can't just have the death penalty as a default penalty for murder. 00:29:25 Speaker 7: You need these enhancements. 00:29:27 Speaker 6: There needs to be an aggravating factor, and so we need something to be sustained. We need it to be a politically motivated crime. We need to potentially be a crime that endangers miners. That's another way they can go for it. They have a few different ways they can get it, but by far the most likely is that he was motivated to target Charlie. I think that they're going a lot for that because of Charlie's religion, because then it's basically a religiously motivated hate crime enhancement. 00:29:54 Speaker 2: That they could go for. So you see them fighting for that. 00:29:57 Speaker 3: But the judge ultimately allows the exhibit from David Engelhart, who's one of the board members, explaining the mission of Turning Point and explaining how deeply integrated Charlie's Christian faith was to some of his positions, say on the trans issue, or on genders and sex right, So that ended up getting admitted into evidence. 00:30:18 Speaker 2: Right. 00:30:18 Speaker 3: Not only that, but you had the political motivations in the text messages where it says some hate just can't be negotiated out. 00:30:26 Speaker 2: I had enough of his hate. 00:30:27 Speaker 3: Then you also had the bullet engravings, which had Belichow, which is a famous anti fascist song from Italy back in the nineteen forties. You had hey fascist catch. There are multiple pieces of that puzzle that explained the why, and so I don't understand what leg they're going to have to stand on. But the point is if they were able to successfully argue against some of those enhancements or those pieces of evidence that would lead to the enhancements, you know, from being admitted as evidence, maybe that changes their plea calculation. 00:30:58 Speaker 10: Yeah, I think at this point, if they weren't thinking this going in, I have to believe after the week that they just endured. As counsel Tyler's defense, their main role at this point is just saving his life. I mean, the evidence here is pretty overwhelming, and so that's probably all this about is about, or at least it's a prime directive is saving his life. And you know there's a balance here in that on one hand, we want him to have this kind of vigorous defense, We want him to have this kind of detailed defense. He has real attorneys, folks that have represented people like the Menendez brothers. These aren't just you know, public defenders appointed by the court for some lowly soul who couldn't afford, couldn't afford otherwise, you want him to be to be scrutinized under a rigorous defense on his behalf, because again, how important this case is, the precedent that is being set here, and how precedent setting this senseless tragedy and assassination was. And so want you want everyone turned over, You want everything explored so that no one has left to remain. I'm just asking clet Sins for another nine or ten months of a grift. We want to have all that stuff exhausted and thrown out there. But there's a line between that, which does serve the system we have. Whether we like it or not, it is the system we have. There's a line there somewhere between that and now we're just exasperating people and exhausting this and we're delaying justice for a family here when the evidence is pretty overwhelming. And so I think we can certainly say, after five days of this this week that this evidence is pretty overwhelming and if maybe at the start of this week with a hearing that was already delayed by two months. Anyway, it was supposed, as you guys know in your audience knows, to take place in May. So we've already delayed it by a couple of months already to get here to July. Now you're talking about delaying in another couple of months just to get to really the first key official juncture of a declarative judgment one way or another. I think we are if we're not close to, if we're not at least close to the line of we're going from conscientiousness here to exasperation. 00:33:03 Speaker 13: I think we've already crossed it. 00:33:04 Speaker 3: I think that's that's such a great framing, Steve, exasperation. 00:33:09 Speaker 2: But we do. Yeah, okay, yeah, Hank, Hank Tight. 00:33:14 Speaker 3: I've got I've got some stuff I really want to share. But Blake gave we. 00:33:19 Speaker 7: Want to be absolutely certain. 00:33:20 Speaker 2: I want to be absolutely certain. 00:33:22 Speaker 3: Okay, So just Hank tight, Blake, why don't you the biggest piece of evidence you saw that that was admitted in court for the public viewing? 00:33:32 Speaker 2: What was it? What would you say it was? 00:33:35 Speaker 6: There was a lot, thankfully, as we can say, I think uh, I think we go back to the thing that the defense was most eager to move past. 00:33:43 Speaker 2: That. 00:33:43 Speaker 6: We have Lance Twigs on camera. He says, yep, I received these text messages from Tyler Robinson. 00:33:52 Speaker 7: I'm the guy who did it. He says, check for this note. 00:33:56 Speaker 6: We we saw more detail of that conversation than we saw before, or we we actually have Tyler, you know, say, f I thought I deleted this. He seems to have mistaken basically mistakenly wroped Lance Twigs in he details trying to retrieve his rifle. We have the description of the note, we were mistakenly shown an image of that note. We see the burned version of that note. We see Lance Twiggs. We heard Lance Twiggs say he confessed to me in person, crying, saying he didn't want to do it, or he wishes he hadn't done it. And I think that, in concert with the physical evidence we have, just makes it absolutely overwhelming, and people will fixate on whether they have one hundred you know, can they match this bullet to the exact gun or is it only the same category? That is so beside the point when all evidence you have supports the claim that Tyler Robinson did it. And when you have direct confession to it, it's it truly is overwhelming. It almost feels it almost feels like we're being toyed with or something that this is even up for debate. 00:35:05 Speaker 3: To me, all right, so I'm just getting I'm just getting some breaking here right now. And I think we uh, this is public it's public domain. This is from Heidi Hatch, ku TV reporter, so she says, and we're pulling this video. But after the defense final DNA witness, the court allowed the family to watch the zoomed in surveillance video from Utah Valley University. Okay, remember a little bit rewind the tape here. There was a huge rigormarole about the enhanced video. Right, So this is zoom zoomed in and it's it's the quality I'm I'm being told is except like it's surprisingly high. And this they called it the Joe John Madden kind of style video because you know, I think they circle it and they zoom in, they draw your eye to kind of wear Tyler's walking around on campus, she said. Heidi Hatch says, even zoomed in the quality of the video is surprisingly high because remember there's press in the courtroom that was able to watch this as well. 00:36:07 Speaker 2: It just wasn't broadcast to the public. 00:36:09 Speaker 3: You could see the man on the roof reportedly, this is her words, reportedly Tyler Robinson getting down into that wine or prone position before the shot was fired. The video showing Robinson allegedly returning to campus with jeans on shows that very distinct limp with the rifle likely in the leg of his pants. You apparently can see things. 00:36:32 Speaker 6: We have another source someone he was able to see it. He says, you see the person that we believe is Tyler Robinson. You can see them go over the guardrail, crouch down to assemble the rifle, run across the roof, crouch down, take the shot. 00:36:47 Speaker 3: At the time we know the shot happened at twelve twenty three, twenty eight. So you see this person roll over the sort of railing or whatever that was to the rooftop of the Low C Center. And then Heidi goes on this is again the kut KUTV local reporter there in Salt Lake City. She says heartbreaking to watch Erica Kirk and Charlie's parents as they watched in greater detail these final moments before Charlie was shot and killed on campus, so they did watch him assemble the rifle. They saw him go over the railing, and the enhanced video is apparently extraordinarily clear and visual. Hi, folks, Andrew Colvett here, I'd like to tell you about my friends over at why Refi. You've probably been hearing me talk about why Refi for some time. 00:37:40 Speaker 5: Now. 00:37:41 Speaker 3: We are all in with these guys. If you or someone you know is struggling with private student loan debt, take my advice and give them a call. Maybe you're behind on your payments, maybe you're even in default. You don't have to live in this nightmare anymore. 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It seems they're able to zoom in and that that make. 00:38:42 Speaker 3: That Another reporter actually just just reached out to me and said, the enhanced surveillance video, Jeff Nyman, the Kirk family representative, got the court to play at the end, was the quote single most damning piece of evidence in the state's arsenal. 00:39:08 Speaker 7: We saw a lot of evidence. 00:39:09 Speaker 3: We saw a lot of damning evidence. And for an independent reporter to say that to me is yeah, and I hope these journalists write about it. And actually, I think we might be getting Jack Pasovich. 00:39:26 Speaker 2: He might be joining just. 00:39:27 Speaker 3: To describe what he saw, because I believe he was inside the courtroom. Steve, I don't know if you have any thoughts on that, but my instant reaction is I can't imagine what Erica and Rob and Kathy must have been feeling to see it in that vivid detail. You know, most people, most murder cases, and this is what's so funny about the internet. The Internet's like, well, you can't see his face and his blurry Most murder convictions happen without video of the actual In this instance, we have this luxury of hours of footage watching him meander around campus and case it out. 00:40:09 Speaker 2: I just can't imagine. 00:40:12 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, we've had, by comparison, we've had murder convictions of people who were who were definitely guilty, where they don't have a body. Yeah, and you we don't have a body, we don't have a murder weapon. You just have overwhelming, contextual, circumstantial evidence. And here we have that, and we also have the parents turn the video the confession. 00:40:36 Speaker 3: Just yeah, I Steve, please first react to just the emotional impact of that moment for the Kirk family. 00:40:46 Speaker 10: I I don't know how the judge can possibly watch the family go through witnessing that and then say, but we're gonna we're gonna hold you off here for about two more months to try to get the first phase of closure. 00:41:01 Speaker 13: I just. 00:41:03 Speaker 10: I like, again, like I said a few minutes ago, there's a line somewhere between conscientiousness and exasperation. And I said that before you told me about this video guys, and now with this video, we're we're not we're way over that line, Like that line is not even We're so far past it now that it's not even in the rearview mirror at this point. Like the judge has already amended himself before when he knew he was wrong, he needs to amend himself again. And it's it's just very clear here that the Kirk family has deserved at least stage one of closure as soon as absolutely possible. 00:41:38 Speaker 13: Here. 00:41:39 Speaker 10: As for the skeptics and stuff online, again, I've never I don't ever have a problem with people asking questions about anything. My issue is is and a lot of our institutions, and I know the three of us agree with this. A lot of our institutions are deserving and have worked hard to earn all this skepticism that has been pent up over. 00:41:56 Speaker 13: The last few years. For sure, the question is where do we go? 00:42:00 Speaker 10: Answers right, And it would be one thing if these people were just going to, you know, question the official narrative. The other thing to try to shift the guilt of this crime, even to Charlie's widow herself, even as this and to try to hold on to these narratives. As this evidence mounts, it's just particularly reprehensible and despicable and just wicked and evil. I'd say that secondly as well. And then thirdly, I think we have a real teachable moment here just for all of us that do this for a living, and that is when we have events, when there's going to be things like trials, there's going to be things like hearings, Evidence is going to be presented. You know, we don't really have to all be in a hurry to be wrong. You know, there's going to be a process and it's going to be somewhat transparent, and we're going to get answers, and you don't have to look like a clown. When it's all over, you can just say, you know what, I kind of just want to wait and see what the evidence says, says. I saw Don Junior say that the other day after leaving the courtroom with Erica. It just was very clear, he said, now looking at the evidence, that it was very clear that Tyler Robinson is absolutely guilty. 00:43:06 Speaker 13: It's okay. 00:43:07 Speaker 10: It's okay to not know everything, to not have an immediate take on everything, and to just let processes play itself out. Particularly something that is as personal and as tragic as this particular circumstance. 00:43:18 Speaker 3: I'm gonna play this local news reporter Heidi hatch Her recounting of this video sop thirty three. 00:43:25 Speaker 14: The Tyler Robinson hearing has adjourned for the day and for the entire hearing, the defense finished with their final DNA witness from the ATF. After that, the judge allowed the family to view without it being broadcast, the zoomed in surveillance video from Utah Valley University. The quality was surprisingly high, a lot more detail you could see of the man that is reportedly Tyler Robinson making his way through campus, up and down the stairs into the parking garage, and even zoomed in on the roof where you can see the man who is reportedly Robinson lying down into that prome position for the shots were fired. As that came up on that video that zoomed in video, Erica Kirk breaking down in tears, as well as Catherine, her mother in law, Charlie's mother clinging to each other, hugging each other as that video played out. 00:44:14 Speaker 2: Yeah, so. 00:44:23 Speaker 7: That's tough. 00:44:24 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think about the time stamp to Steve, you know, just the just knowing that moment twelve twenty three, thirty eight, I don't, I don't know, I avoid. 00:44:41 Speaker 2: Twenty eight eight, it's just it. 00:44:47 Speaker 3: Anyways, I think we're gonna have Jack join us and kind of walk through what what he what he saw, So we'll wait for him to to join. I want to go back to what you said, Steveville, because I think it was an important point, and that is, you know, you don't have to rush ahead just to be wrong. You know, I was really moved by that. It's that statement from Don Junior this week. You know, he said he went on Fox News and he said, you know, I've taken you know, a lot of incoming because I haven't been more vocal. Well now I've seen it, and you know, like you said, the evidence is compelling, it's overwhelming. There's a lot of people that have used that word overwhelming. We're not telling them to use it. I think it's just the word that comes to mind for a lot of people when they see all of this together. What is the right path forward with people. I'm already seeing some of these comments come out about you know, hey, I drank the kool aid and I regret that you know, people are starting to little by little, and I think it's I think we're going to see more of this, you know, sort of admit that they had it wrong. 00:46:02 Speaker 2: What what should what should be our path forward? 00:46:04 Speaker 10: Well, all three of us represent a worldview that makes it very clear that mercy triumphs over judgment. Now, it doesn't cancel judgment, otherwise there will be no such place as hell. So eventually there is a judgment. But but all of us are deserving of it. None of us are deserving of mercy. And that's why it's called grace. So I think that for those who have who sincerely want to come forward, sincerely want to apologize, sincerely want to repent first and foremost apologize to Erica in the entire family, I think that you know, they deserve an honest hearing in terms of that, the the integrity and the sincerity of that apology, uh and that repentance. Therefore, by the grace of God, go I forgive us our trespass, as Lord, as we forgive those who trespass against us. But I also but here's the thing. Forgiveness and trust are not necessarily the same thing. And I do think there's quite a few people whose trust level through this. I really believe both Charlie's murder and the aftermath of it was the latest in a series of providential siftings that have taken place in our culture. And I think too many people failed this one. And I think this is where humility has to come into play. You know, the arrogance. There's a reason why narcissism was the first heresy in the history of our species, because it appeals to our vanity, and it appeals to our narcissism and our egos, and the idea that you have the secret knowledge, that you have the secret sauce, that you know the stuff that nobody else knows. You even't speak in code. You use terms like Zionist and fed slop, like their conjunctions and sentences, right, you know, the secret handshake. This stuff absolutely appeals to our vanity and our narcissism, and these devices right here in our hands. You know, thirty years ago, when you saw the tabloid in the supermarket, you might have picked. 00:47:50 Speaker 13: It up and looked at it at a fascination. 00:47:52 Speaker 10: But then when you saw the frowns of everybody in the checkout line next to you, you just kind of smiled nervously and said, can you believe this stuff? And put it on the counter and walked away. Because we were worried about the public shame of indulging in that. But this now takes that element away, and we can all be anonymous and we can all do this a million times. And now captains of industry who would never even pick up such materials in a supermarket to check out Lane thirty years ago are now it's seven pages deep into a Reddit form, you know, on a break they didn't have scheduled, and an appointment they had to put off because they can't tear themselves away. And I think that this was a very painful lesson that I hope a lot of people learned. And then I think that you're watching other people just flat out just demonstrate frankly that they're just demonic and satanic influences, and I think got to be treated as such. 00:48:35 Speaker 13: Moving forward, Well, we have a. 00:48:37 Speaker 2: Couple of these examples. 00:48:39 Speaker 3: Steve, go up, go ahead and throw up the first one that that somebody sent me this but says, I would like to admit I drank some of the Candace kool aid, and now I feel so gutted forever believing Erica had anything. 00:48:57 Speaker 2: To do with it. 00:48:58 Speaker 3: And there's actually a second one here that I just found if I can get it loaded here for us. Oh, never mind, that's that that's the wrong one there. I just somebody sent me another one, but I put it in the wrong plot. 00:49:11 Speaker 6: I think, I think what you said is really good, Steve, And we have to we have to acknowledge a lot of people are very open to unconventional stuff. 00:49:22 Speaker 7: We live in a low trust time when trust. 00:49:24 Speaker 6: And authorities and institutions is lower, and that makes stranger ideas more appealing. People like to do their own research and such. But we have to acknowledge that there's there's room for people to come back on side. There's a room for people to say I goofed it up. But I do think we need some perspective that we have. If you're a if you're a voice, if you have a platform, you have a moral obligation to show good leadership. And I think there will be people who will try to just sort of quietly move on from this. They only be stopped talking. Maybe they were pushing this and they'll just quietly stop talking about it, or they'll just make a brief up. I was wrong, and I really do think that the evidence in this case was so clear for so long and so all encompassing that if a person is who had a platform is going to come back, I think there has to be some expectation of not merely acknowledging that they were incorrect. 00:50:24 Speaker 7: But I think they have, as you. 00:50:26 Speaker 6: Say, they have to apologize and say I was not just wrong. 00:50:30 Speaker 7: I made a error. I did something. I did something. 00:50:35 Speaker 6: I think I made a moral mistake and going this far down and I have to try to atone for that, and that might be I have to acknowledge I maybe am not a platform that someone can trust unless I really put an effort to undo this. 00:50:49 Speaker 3: Well, but I think this has an opportunity to be another piece of Charlie's legacy because I throughout this other one, I watched several of Candas's podcasts. I was one of the people who believed Israel was somehow involved. It was extremely convincing, and I do not blame anyone for believing it, as I did lesson learned to wait for actual evidence. I will never make this mistake again. I regret it, and I stand with Erica like these are just starting to pop up on social media right now, and you know, so I think if we as a movement can build up antibodies to some of this, I think that would be really positive. And I have people have my sympathies. I have entertained conspiracy theories, certainly, And why wouldn't I After COVID, after the Hunter Biden laptop, after all this crap that's been stuffed down our throats. I totally understand that sometimes, you know, giving proper scrutiny to an official narrative is the right position to take, But there is a far difference. There's a huge difference between that and then take turning round and recklessly accusing innocent people of wrongdoing of heinous, heinous evil acts when the evidence is right in front of you. And so I think one of the drum beats of this is what is the evidence? 00:52:15 Speaker 2: Where is the proof? 00:52:16 Speaker 3: If you can't prove it, it's not enough to go off vibes and like speculation and innuendo. 00:52:23 Speaker 2: You cannot do that. 00:52:24 Speaker 3: That's no healthy society can operate and exist in that framework. 00:52:29 Speaker 13: Ten thousand percent. 00:52:30 Speaker 10: Listen, Christianity is not the endless asking of questions in fact, the first time the enemy shows up and speaks in prophetic history, he uses the following phrase. 00:52:38 Speaker 13: Did God really say? 00:52:40 Speaker 10: That's literally his that's his line, that's his pickup line to Eve, did God really say? 00:52:45 Speaker 13: Okay? 00:52:46 Speaker 10: So we're not into we're not into the endless asking of questions. We're into the ceaseless seeking of answers, all right, So our worldview says to ask, seek, and knock to get answers, to get answers. I couldn't tell I can't tell you how many emails I got to my own show. I can't believe, Steve, you would believe the official narrative and everything else on this and every one of them I try to write them back. Guys, there's going to be hearings, there's going to be a trial, we're gonna see the evidence. Why don't we just let it play itself out so that we know. And I didn't begrudge anybody who didn't want to believe anything until I got to court, where I got really pretty pushy in the pushback is when now you've got alternative theories based on absolutely nothing that are just clear biblical violating clear biblical mandates against the tormenting of widows and what's went on here with Erica for the last six eight months. It's the most wicked and vile thing I've seen in my entire lifetime. I mean, it's just literally a main line from Hell itself. It's just wicked. It's just it's unnatural, really, is what it was. 00:53:44 Speaker 1: Like. 00:53:44 Speaker 10: I felt bad being in the presence of it, Like it made my skin crawl, Like I shouldn't be listening to this, I shouldn't be watching it. I shouldn't be subjected to this. I should turn away. That's how just pure pitch black. 00:53:56 Speaker 3: This is wow, wow, really well, said somebody this week told me, And it was one of those one liners that kind of like, you know, stops you in your tracks, and just said, Erica Kirk is the most defamed person in human history. 00:54:14 Speaker 10: She's certainly on a list. She's certainly maybe the most the most defamed person in the history of the English speaking world. What's been on and for what? For being the dutiful wife of the of the of you know, the most high profile martyr in the history of our world. This is the most viewed murder in the history of our world. But there's a missing piece here. I want to make sure we hit this all transpired, I believe because of what happened after Charlie's murder, and that is the most viewed proclamation of the Gospel that this world has ever seen. And that's the first time in all my years, in my twenty three years, walking with the Lord walking coming out of that memorial was the first time I thought there was a real chance we might be able to unite around first Principles as believers. And so I don't think it's a coincidence at all that the enemy said, oh, can't let that happen, and mobilized as fast as he could. Like I mentioned Don Junior recently or earlier here on this talk, I'd be willing to bet you that Don Junior told more people about who Saint Stephen was than they've heard in the American Church anywhere, Catholic or Protestant the last thirty years. I'd be willing to bet you all the more church, more people came out of that with more church and more Bible than they have any singular event in the history of this hemisphere. That was like every George Whitfield and Jonathan Edwards's revival and sermon in in one afternoon, and I don't think it's any coincidence that coming after that then, is when the enemy marshaled his forces, particularly once he had strategically placed, and let them loose right at that time to try to knife this and divide us. And I think, moving forward, two things I think we have to learn. One skepticism. We do need to remain skeptical of things. I mean, as far as I know, I'm the only person that wrote two best selling books debunking the COVID narrative. But here's the thing. I didn't offer alternative theories or projections. I interviewed witnesses, I looked at data and facts. I didn't just wing it, you know, because I didn't want to get sued by Anthony Fauci and everybody else, so I used often it was their own data against them, their own assumptions against them. And I think this brings me to point two. 00:56:10 Speaker 13: There's a thing. There's cynicism, which is against a biblical worldview. 00:56:13 Speaker 10: If you're if your worldview begins with the premise that God supernaturally intervened in human history to raise a dead man to life, then cynicism is not permitted for the believer. But there's healthy skepticism. There's healthy skepticism when you are in the age of the judges like we are now, when everyone does what is wise in their own eyes. 00:56:30 Speaker 13: And so what is the difference here? How do we know? Well, that gets me to the second point here. 00:56:34 Speaker 10: When you start, you know, when you start purporting things that just don't line up with common sense. 00:56:39 Speaker 13: No, No, I don't think. 00:56:40 Speaker 10: Nancy four two, one, five, seven, if that's even a real person. I don't think you care more about Charlie and what happened to him than his wife. 00:56:48 Speaker 13: No, I don't, or his mom or his dad. No, I don't. I don't think you do. 00:56:53 Speaker 10: And no, I don't think Candice Owans thinks and cares more about Tyler Robinson's fate and his potential innocence than every single member of his family and his high profile defense team. 00:57:03 Speaker 13: No, I don't. 00:57:04 Speaker 10: And I think when you're somebody like Sean Ryan and you're asking questions of somebody like this a week before this proceeding, I think you need to ask questions like that, like, hey, has the defense called you up? 00:57:13 Speaker 13: Have they shown any interest in what you have to say? 00:57:16 Speaker 10: Have you gone to Utah to offer you your profer up your results, rather than just sitting there and providing affirmative platforms like this for just absolute raw sewage garbage. 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It wasn't enough to say, oh, obviously they're fibbing to us about this, or that you got really strange stuff about the virus being I think probably the strangest one I ever heard was that it was a theory that it was all snake venom. And you're always have that. But people who have been in media long enough, who have been around news stories long enough, should be able to put two and two together that the evidence in this case adds up almost to the point where this could be a clinic you would put on in like a criminal justice laboratory to show all the different types of evidence that can be available in a case. Oh, here's your DNA evidence, here's your non DNA forensic evidence, here's your witness testimony. You have basically every single piece of evidence that could be obtained exists. And if someone is going to take all of that and say I reject all of it, I just think it's all fake. 01:01:40 Speaker 7: I'm not going to explain to you how it was faked. 01:01:42 Speaker 6: I'm just gonna say it, and I'm going to assert another completely wild theory that's mutually exclusive with the three other theories that I'm going to run with, none of which have any evidence that person is acting with ill will. That person is willfully choosing to believe something that is not true because it'll get them attention, it'll get them viewsed, it'll get them clicks, it'll get them money, it will allow them to hurt other people. 01:02:07 Speaker 2: So we haven't like, that's not any different. 01:02:08 Speaker 13: That's pardon me, I'm sorry, Go right. 01:02:10 Speaker 2: And finish your thought, please, Steve. 01:02:12 Speaker 10: I was just gonna say, Blake that the irony of everything you just said is those same people would laugh and mock those who virtue signaled with their VAX cards, the Ukraine flags, their masks and their bios. They're just the other side of the exact same coin as what you just described. They're actually closer together. It really is horseshoe theory. They're way closer together than I think they realize. 01:02:32 Speaker 3: So we have this new video, I totally agree with that. By the way, I think the team is loading it right now. From Benny Johnson, he also had a chance to look at this enhanced video. 01:02:43 Speaker 2: We're getting more and more details here. 01:02:47 Speaker 3: He said, every moment, every movement of Tyler Robinson that day captured in full quality. HD zoomed in some footage in four K tracking all his movements. You can see crystal clear Tyler Robinson's face, the license plate number on his vehicle. So that was another point of controversy with some of this. The dodge charger there was apparently one of the people in the houses with the ring camera said they thought it was a bald person with three people. But you know, instantly we sort of knew in the whole scheme of all the mounting evidence that it was probably just an eyewitness kind of got confused about it because the ring camera had the actual stuff anyway. 01:03:29 Speaker 6: So. 01:03:30 Speaker 3: You could see the license plate on the vehicle, details on his clothing, and his actions on the rooftop, and you can time every horrifying detail to the minute Charlie Kirk was murdered. What the public couldn't see was the emotion in the courtroom, Charlie's family sobbing uncontrollably, Erica and Missus Kirk's Senior's arms, Charlie's father comforting them. Just feet away, sat a pale, lifeless, emaciated Tyler Robinson. I'm reading Benny's words, who stared at the floor with remorse as he listened to the weeping. 01:04:04 Speaker 6: He says, Robinson has never once looked at Erica this entire trial. The entire courtroom gasped when. 01:04:11 Speaker 7: The video was over. 01:04:13 Speaker 2: Eventually this footage will be released. 01:04:15 Speaker 3: It was really tough to relive that day in such gruesome detail. This case is overwhelming. Please pray for a speedy trial. And to all the tormentors of the Kirk family, you can go to hell where you belong. It's really frustrating actually that they didn't release this footage to the public. 01:04:35 Speaker 7: But well, we will get it eventually. 01:04:38 Speaker 3: But I mean, it's good that, you know, Jeffrey Nyman was successful in getting this viewed within the court. Erica and her family completely deserved to see this, and you know, I think jeff basically said for the sake of processing this. You know, when he was making his comments to the judge, he said, they deserve to see see this. They just like, why are we here if if this isn't you know, to actually see the evidence, And he said, they deserve this so that they can process this moment properly. 01:05:10 Speaker 2: And I'm so. 01:05:16 Speaker 3: Heartbroken for them that they had to see that that that that that that it even existed. But I'm grateful that they got to rip the band aid see it, and I think it's so important for processing this. 01:05:30 Speaker 2: And so is there anything specific in that video? Up? 01:05:39 Speaker 3: I'm trying to figure out Jack's gonna be joining us in just a second. He did see the video himself. All right, Steve, you you are a very thoughtful man, and you understand the difference between pragmatism and and pure idealism, something you and I have talked about when it comes to politics. If we're going to rebuild this coalition the way Charlie was doing it, what needs to happen next? 01:06:15 Speaker 10: First, I would urge everyone within the sound of our voices to pray that the judge reconsiders putting this off till September. 01:06:22 Speaker 13: First. There's no reason why this can't be done on August first. 01:06:24 Speaker 10: It's still almost four weeks, three and a half weeks until then, because I think the sooner that we can get something definitive on this and some closure for the family, but then also for us as a movement, the sooner we can go about. 01:06:42 Speaker 13: Trying to answer these questions. 01:06:44 Speaker 10: Because I think we're going to have a hard time answering that question until there's a more definitive outlook on the outcome of this case. Then we'll just see you again in two months. 01:06:54 Speaker 3: I think some answer you just gave Steve, that's a wild answer, because I agree with you that the the fate of the movement that Charlie cared so much about, that he was so instrumental in building is directly tied to closure in his assassination trial. Like, that's a wild thing to just even wrap your head around. Please, I didn't mean to cut you off, but I its no, but yeah. 01:07:23 Speaker 10: Because it's it's what's opened up the fissure of the of what he was holding together is his death in the aftermath of it. And I think the certainty of of of what caused that death and then the outcome for the for Tyler Robbinson, the one who committed to that cause, I think that's the first step in letting a lot of people you can already see just from the volume of notes you guys are getting in right now as an organization, as a show the amount of people who are like coming in from like a fog, you know, from like a spiritual malaise that clearing up. 01:07:56 Speaker 13: Now, Yeah, that's a great analogy. 01:07:58 Speaker 10: Yeah, like a spell has been broken here, right, And so I think that the spellcasters have got to be confronted. I think the spellcasters you got to find out who did so maliciously. 01:08:09 Speaker 13: You know. 01:08:09 Speaker 10: One of my favorite lines from Augustine is there are many sheep without, but many wolves within. And I think one of the things that is that we've done to Charlie posthumously. And I saw this after when Reagan passed away as well, that you saw the more amicable, amicable Reagan. You didn't see the rendezvous with Destiny Reagan. They didn't show a lot of those clips. This idea that the guy went from you know, a lifeguard to President the United States, just dropping quippie one liners all the way, you know, and and being not a threat to any evil in the world whatsoever. And so there's this idea that Charlie was just this kind of very gracious host of these forums on you know, on these campuses, and wasn't a warrior, wasn't a general, he wasn't fierce, right he needed to be. 01:08:55 Speaker 3: Yeah, totally, Steve, We've got Jack Jack, Okay, got a few moments here. I know we were wrestling with the tech there. Jack Pasoba, Human Events Daily was there today, Jack, Uh, you were in the courtroom for this viewing of this this video that the enhanced video. 01:09:17 Speaker 2: Tell us what you saw. 01:09:19 Speaker 15: Look, guys, I'm I'm not gonna mince words, all right, I'm gonna be blunt because it's it's it deserves it and and I'm just I'm just gonna say what it was. You see him shooting Charlie. You see him executing Charlie. You you see him take the shot, and so you've seen the the video and Blake, I know you were there, man, and it's it was like watching Charlie die all over again. Seeing this video. This is the it's the most damning thing I've seen all week for Tyler Robinson. With the zoom in, it just changes everything. It's like it's like watching a completely different video because the one that zoomed out you can't even see anything. This one. He walks up, he it's I mean, it's just like the officer said earlier in the I guess it was day one that he walks up over the guardrail, goes down and you can see him kind of working on something and it's you know, I believe that's when he was assembling the rifle. He then stands up, he runs very quickly across the gravel roof to the edge, and then when he gets to the edge, you see him go down and he's in the prone position, and it's you know, they have this clock like the time Stamplet's up and it's twelve twenty. I think it's twelve twenty one, twelve twenty two when he first gets there, and I'm just sitting there like. 01:11:00 Speaker 7: Stop the clock, like don't. 01:11:03 Speaker 15: Like like trying to will time to stop, like, don't get to twelve twenty three, Like, just don't get to twelve twenty three. And he gets to twelve twenty three and you see him take the shot and he gets back up and then he you know, he runs across and you've seen the the end of it already where he you know, makes the jump. 01:11:25 Speaker 7: But it's. 01:11:29 Speaker 15: It's all there. It's it's all there, it's it's on video. It all lines up, and I got I got very very angry watching this video in court. I was I was gripping the you know, the seat. 01:11:49 Speaker 7: I think I almost broke my rosary. 01:11:51 Speaker 15: I just and to know that Erica and Charlie's parents had to watch this with Tyler. He was sitting right there and he wouldn't even look, by the way, he wouldn't even look. And someone told me his own monitor was off. He wouldn't even look at the video as it was being played. 01:12:13 Speaker 2: Of what he. 01:12:13 Speaker 15: Did, and the fact that he was so close to us, it's it's it's it is an unspeakable evil. It's since seeing the original video, this is the worst thing I've seen. This is the worst thing I've seen other than the actual video of the you know, the gunshot itself. Connecting that it was it was very hard to watch. Yeah, there was a shockwave across the entire crowd. And and by the way that the video you so you could see him walking up too, and the video that we can see and this I need to explain this to everybody who By the way, sorry, I know I'm jumping around, I'm a little I'm a little flustered. But the video that we see played on that monitor is so much more clear than the video that's on the live stream. When you see him walking around, it's not just a blurry guy or a pixelated guy. It's Tyler Robinson. It's just very obviously when he's there in the red shirt and the shorts and he comes back and all black, it's still it's the same guy. It's just obviously him. There's no question about it. It's so crystal clear. And every single one of these videos needs to be released publicly in its raw form so that everyone can see that. I understand, you know, certain things they're holding back until trial. I get all that, right, but everyone needs to understand it's on video. Okay, it's on video. 01:13:49 Speaker 7: It is him. 01:13:51 Speaker 15: Benny Johnson came by today and he hadn't been there early in the week, and he thought he was stunned because he's been watching the live stream. I'm not watching the live stream, and he said he was stunned at how much better the video quality is when you're sitting there and I guess, you know, compression and it's live stream and the quality whatever. We all know the tech, but it's it's just it's very obviously. 01:14:13 Speaker 7: Him walking up to that roof. 01:14:17 Speaker 15: And then to know and see I mean, we all know what happened, but to see it, I mean, it's it's just playing over and over again. 01:14:28 Speaker 3: I think thank you for sharing that. And again, my thoughts instantly go to Erica and Kathy and rob having to see the very moment that Charlie's life was robbed from him. You said, just to be clear, you said that in this enhanced video, you can see him taking the shot in the pro position, you see him taking the shot. And I just I asked, just because I'm sure there's going to be questions about it, was there any explanation of how the video was enhanced. 01:15:02 Speaker 15: It's it's it's just as simple zoom in. It's not it's not anything other than that. It's just just literally just zoomed in. It's it's it's like, you know, you know, how when when he first, uh, when we didn't know who Tyler Robinson was and they put out that first video of him dropping off the you know, the the awning I guess of the low C building. 01:15:23 Speaker 7: It's yeah, it's it's it's just that it's like the. 01:15:28 Speaker 15: I guess, the five minutes or so prior to that, So it looks pretty similar to that in terms of quality. It's just that same just it's just as zoom in process. I know, you know, it doesn't look like there's any AI upscaling or any of that stuff. It literally just looks like a zoom in on. So they took that wide screen because of course the looking at everything, but it's just as zooming, just as zooming, and it's one it's one of the worst things. 01:15:57 Speaker 3: So glad we got the tech figured out for to tell us that because it was really important. And thank you for being there on the ground with the Kirk family and the whole team being a support and Steve Dace has been with us all our Steve, thank you as well for joining us, and just want to reiterate. 01:16:18 Speaker 2: What you meant to Charlie. 01:16:19 Speaker 3: And he was always a big Steve Dace fan and he he made me one as well, and now I get to sort of experience that here on the show directly, and it's a total blessing, man, and we just appreciate you, and you're a good man and you're godly man. 01:16:38 Speaker 2: So thank you for everything. 01:16:40 Speaker 3: Gentlemen, We got to wrap it up here and for real America's Voice, thank you for taking this recap special all week long to honor our friend and to do our part as we look for and seek for seek justice for Charlie. And I think it's a really important week. We're going to look back on it and think of it as a really, really important week and you all have been an important part of that. 01:17:01 Speaker 2: So thank you to the audience. We'll see you. We'll see you on Monday. 01:17:09 Speaker 5: For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to Charliekirk dot com.