THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 139 — Lindsay Clancy Lunacy, Week 2?

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Lindsay Clancy case has now taken over the Internet and the minds of weak, willed and susceptible fifth wave feminists. We need to break all this down, break down all the insanity, all the thought crime. 00:01:55 Speaker 3: We've got. 00:01:56 Speaker 5: The core group is here today, the original gang. It is Andrew, Blake and Tyler. 00:02:03 Speaker 3: What's up, guys, what's up. 00:02:05 Speaker 4: I'm glad we're doing this again because I missed last week and there's a lot of craziness that has emerged in the aftermath, still going. 00:02:14 Speaker 5: I mean, I know, I know you were watching, so people don't realize that, you know, a lot of the time when when one of us is off, we usually watch live. And I remember you were watching live and commenting Andrew, uh, like in the chat and and yeah, so this was. 00:02:28 Speaker 3: One where we you know, we're like. 00:02:31 Speaker 5: Uh, we're we've we've become predictive, right, It's like, uh, what's that minority report we're in, Like minority report of thought crime here when it came to Lindsay Clancy, because this one it got worse. 00:02:42 Speaker 4: It's actually in a weird way, like it's hard to explain. I find all this very troubling. It's not good. But some of the like conspiracy theories that we've lived through, it's like one to one overlap, like ven diagram of it, and it's like, Okay, people are starting to finally realize the craziness that we've lived through, because this, in some ways is even more clear cut. Because it's like a woman who murdered her three children and somehow she's become the sympathetic figure. She's become the victim. I don't know how much money have they raised now, like a million bucks? It's a million bucks. Like that's insane, It's totally insane, actually, And so I've been diving deeper into the story and it looks like this woman was basically like pill shopping, you know. She I don't know if she got addicted. I mean certainly the system probably provided her with too much too many pills. But like this narrative that the system failed her. Maybe it failed her because it like did what it's supposed to do too well, I guess in this instance. But she had all the medical help she could want, a caring husband who was working from home, trying to make it easier on her, trying to give her. She had caring family. And yeah, man, I I there's there's so many wrinkles here that it's hard for me to fully put wrap my brain around it. But at the same time, the fact that the actual victims, these poor babies, got strangled by an exercise band by their mother a couple of minutes at a time that the people cannot like one tried to get away? How is that not the center of this story? 00:04:24 Speaker 2: One tried to get away? 00:04:25 Speaker 3: They're not. 00:04:25 Speaker 2: No one's even talking about the facts of the case to you, of like the the no one's talking about kids at all, Like the one the little boy that tried to run away, probably looking for his dad in his office. Yeah, by the way, which is like the most horrifying thing, dude, of the whole thing. 00:04:42 Speaker 4: Can imagine going through the kid she she. 00:04:45 Speaker 2: Killed the other two kids in the basement and then the one boy, the boy got away somehow because they found his body in the office, in the dad's office. 00:04:54 Speaker 4: And oh, I didn't even know that detail. 00:04:56 Speaker 2: That's how I understood. I I mean, I'm hearing. 00:04:59 Speaker 4: Thirty I'm trying to catch up. 00:05:01 Speaker 2: I'm just listening to everybody. I'm listening to other people their commentary on it. And that's like been the one thing that stuck with me the most is that the dad was out running an errand dad was probably My guess is My guess is because she's crazy and like going through these episodes right that she's hearing voices, hearing voices, is that the dad's been probably far more present leading up to this moment, steps out to go run this errand seemingly thinking that everything was fine and the dad's probably at home in the office a lot. The boy goes from home, Yeah, the boys. The boy goes to look for the dad in the office. The Dad's not there. 00:05:41 Speaker 4: She tracks him down and kills him, because well, did. 00:05:43 Speaker 3: You tyler, speaking of speaking of details, did you see did you see the part about the phone call? 00:05:49 Speaker 2: No? 00:05:49 Speaker 5: What? 00:05:50 Speaker 6: No? 00:05:50 Speaker 5: So so this is the to me, this in addition to what you've said the one piece that sticks with me. 00:05:55 Speaker 3: So the dad, he's he's at CBS because. 00:05:58 Speaker 5: He's trying to get pedialyte because one of the kids was which one one of the kids, I'm sick and and so he went out to pick it up, but he was like, oh, they're out of the name brand pedia light and they only had the generic. So he calls his wife, right, and we've all been there as guys, right, you know, you're like, is this the one? 00:06:19 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a it's a mean okay, we get a different one. 00:06:23 Speaker 2: It's a meme that guys can't go to the grocery store without calling their wife, like fifty and that's me. 00:06:28 Speaker 3: I can't because you know you're going to get in trouble. You know you're going to get in trouble. 00:06:32 Speaker 2: You all that I can't pick at least that's like. 00:06:41 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah no. 00:06:42 Speaker 5: But so he calls her and then she has an answer, and so there they don't know the exact time frame of obviously the killings, like they have they have an estimate, but they know the timeframe of the phone call because obviously there's a timestamp. But also he's on camera the CBS, so there's a timestamp there and then she calls him back. 00:07:05 Speaker 3: So she called him back. 00:07:07 Speaker 5: While he's at the CBS, and they have a conversation about the pedialyte. 00:07:11 Speaker 3: And she's like, you know, he asked her if it's okay if he gets the generic. She says, that's okay. And then he said, what was her demeanor while she was on the call? And he said she felt distracted or it felt distracted, as if she was doing something. He said, I thought she was giving the kids a bath or something. 00:07:32 Speaker 4: My goodness, she's probably in the midst of in the midste. 00:07:36 Speaker 5: So there's a yeah, there's a possibility that she called him like while she was doing in the middle or even right after. 00:07:43 Speaker 4: Well, look at this b roll I saw and Wokeness posted this. It's number one on the b roll. It's and he put it as like she smirked. I don't know that I see a smirk, but it does freak me out watching this image. It looks like a woman possessed or something. I don't know. 00:07:59 Speaker 3: And there was so there was another vision actually. 00:08:03 Speaker 4: Mark, but her eyes look all the way to the left. At some point before she turns her head, you can see her There. 00:08:09 Speaker 7: Was another well, let's get wait, let's get the image there. 00:08:12 Speaker 3: That even looked worse than this. It wasn't. It wasn't the one that woken has posted. But there was. 00:08:17 Speaker 5: Another one that I saw that was even like it almost looked like she was smiling. 00:08:22 Speaker 4: I don't know why that gives me the hev gbis man And here here's. 00:08:25 Speaker 3: Probably because she killed her kids and she's smiling in court. 00:08:27 Speaker 4: Well, I don't. I didn't see necessarily a clear smile. I don't know if I even saw a smirk. 00:08:32 Speaker 5: But no, there was another one I saw that was like so weird. And he also posted one where she's she's like smiling with her lawyer from like a day to try. 00:08:42 Speaker 7: I know, I just threw this up, guys, because look at the physiognomy there an unreliable mother from eighteen hundred. 00:08:51 Speaker 3: What is this? 00:08:52 Speaker 7: It's like a physiognomy man manual or like back from a like the measured bumps on people's heads or whatever. 00:08:58 Speaker 4: Don't marry a woman that has that? 00:09:00 Speaker 3: Where this this isn't like a meme. 00:09:02 Speaker 7: That is a real illustration from the vaults, practical character reader. 00:09:09 Speaker 4: So here's what's interesting is our front Lines team t POSA front Lines has gone out to the courthouse to cover some of this stuff. This stuff is banana's what they're covering. And these some of these clips have gone like pretty viral, millions of views and stuff like this. So hat tip to the t POSA front Lines team. Let's play cut two. 00:09:28 Speaker 2: Sure to lindsay, it's a mental health. 00:09:40 Speaker 4: I don't know if you'll ever. 00:09:41 Speaker 2: Have this many women in one place at. 00:09:44 Speaker 4: One time who they can all of us on a level that others don't. So it's got a baby throw. 00:09:51 Speaker 7: They're throwing their hands up in hearts. 00:09:53 Speaker 4: Yeah, so let's keep going. Clip three taking thank you, thank you. They're cheering on. By the way, Lindsey Clancy's defense attorney at that point is he's entering the courthouse and. 00:10:15 Speaker 7: Then whatever, she has a right to her defense attorney. 00:10:18 Speaker 4: Now nobody's arguing that. But the fact that all these women are out there that have by the way. 00:10:23 Speaker 5: I don't think it's just whatever. I think it's the fact that they're celebrating her. 00:10:26 Speaker 4: This is what's crazy. Like these women either took time off their jobs or they have they have husbands that do the work and they stay at home moms. Whatever the heck is going on here. They're retired, They're going out of their way, taking times out out of their life to go and cheer on a triple homicide. I guess murderer. Yeah, yeah, I was about to say suspect. She's confessed to it. So more clips. This is a Clancy supporter is cheering as Clancy drives by. Apparently clip four. 00:11:20 Speaker 2: Line's team, the front Lines team, the Tpuosa Frontline team has actually had a ton of great clips of that of those celebratory lines of women. Actually, I just lives a TikTok reposted h the TPSA front Lines team, who's doing an incredible work. By the way, the Frontline team is incredible at TSA. But I thought I thought it was really funny what you guys post. I think Jackie put in the chat that Lindsay Clancy is is white women's oj. 00:11:53 Speaker 7: Which I object to only on the sense that is it actually even the case? Are are white women worse than this? I feel like I've seen tons of the tons of the True Crime Brain. 00:12:03 Speaker 4: It's it's True crime Brain, it's TikTok rot rot And. 00:12:09 Speaker 3: I don't know. 00:12:09 Speaker 4: I just don't want to. 00:12:10 Speaker 7: I don't want to go where it's like, oh, it's this is like white women's problem. 00:12:12 Speaker 2: But women today. 00:12:15 Speaker 3: We wait, go look at the crowds. 00:12:16 Speaker 7: Blake look less than less than any other very diverse. This is my problem. This is my problem. People love to say, like white women, Well, people want to crap on white women because it's like the safe target. I'm sorry, I'm not a lip. So I'm not going to go white women because I probably will probably denying to do it if your owner, are you telling me that's not that's like, there's like a browner one there. 00:12:41 Speaker 2: I saw there's. 00:12:43 Speaker 4: The United States of America. 00:12:45 Speaker 7: Okay, I think that's like a brown one right there at the start. 00:12:49 Speaker 2: Like, okay, guys, guys, I'm not afraid to say it on crime because it's crime. We have a college educated, white Caucasian female problem in the United States. Yes that they obviously they have such like and we've seen it every major problem where society is essentially massively wrong on an issue, from COVID to castrating children, to Lindsay Clancy now to other things that we've seen. 00:13:22 Speaker 7: This is the least lib race is white. 00:13:24 Speaker 2: So that's right, it is. It is this And I've actually freaked out too, and I don't want to transition away from this right at all. But like last night I was standing at I was at the Noah con concert. I put this in the chat and you know who's a hicclib. You know, I don't want to again. I know Jack. Jack really loves this topic, so we could turn this into something else. But I was surrounded by women like that, we're showing up to this one wrong move and no my question that I was asking myself throughout the entire thing because this guy's lib. He's progressive, super progressive from Vermont, and he sings folksy type music. I was wondering to myself, how many of these people coming here subscribe to. 00:14:07 Speaker 4: This well totally, you know what the whole thing is. 00:14:09 Speaker 2: And it's concerning. 00:14:10 Speaker 4: It's been interesting to watch because their whole like hook where they're like, you guys are just being a bunch of shoving his men and you don't understand postpartum depression is real. 00:14:20 Speaker 7: Guys. 00:14:20 Speaker 4: Nobody's saying postpartum depression is not real. 00:14:23 Speaker 7: A few people are saying we're simply few people are saying it's. 00:14:26 Speaker 4: Not an express it's not an excuse to go murder your kids? What are we even talking about? 00:14:29 Speaker 7: Out of comment, Pennkirt thirteen said in our in our comment threat un rumble her husband did it. The weird thing is, I think that's totally delusional and crazy at the same time. That offends me less than the one than the takes that are basically she did it but should not face any guilt for it, all right, Like, Okay, if you delusionally believe her husband committed the murder, that's domin you less. 00:14:56 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm equally offended. 00:14:57 Speaker 7: I mean, both are bad, but I I it. It really creeps me out where people are saying she killed her children, and I just don't think she's a murderer. I think she should get I think she should be released back to the public, which is what these people are effectively saying. 00:15:10 Speaker 4: It's both. I think I'm equally offended by both. Microplastics are becoming too much of a problem to ignore. They're in ninety four percent of us drinking water, ninety four percent, ninety percent of our meat and seafood, and the average American inhales get this, sixty eight thousand microplastic particles each and every single day. 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And lock in that even better deal by calling our friends at bright Core. 00:17:16 Speaker 5: Well, if you're saying that the husband did it, aren't you also saying that she's not guilty and should be released. 00:17:22 Speaker 7: Yeah, they're saying that, but they at least actually, for whatever reason, believe she didn't kill her kids, and so like that doesn't involve as much of a disordered moral reasoning. Like they're delusional and wrong, But they're just delusional and wrong on a factual question, as opposed to finding, you know, doing mental gymnastics to say why murdering your kids was not morally wrong? 00:17:43 Speaker 5: Well, and that we got to I think it's not complicated. I think they just hate man. 00:17:48 Speaker 2: Mmm, I don't. I don't think it's hating man. I honestly believe for a lot of them it is. Well, so I think I actually. 00:18:00 Speaker 4: Think this weird sisterhood psychology. 00:18:01 Speaker 2: No, so that's the direct I'm going to go. I actually think church, there's the church essentially of white women, right, and so they subscribe to one thing. They go to church every single day. On social media, Yeah, they subscribe to the exact same podcasts, they listen to the same they follow the same tiktoks or they're in the same believe it or not. And this is everybody on social media. So it's not just women. 00:18:26 Speaker 4: It's like really siloed in your thinking totally. 00:18:29 Speaker 2: You're in your own algorithm. And so this is algorithmic church, white women church. And what's happening is we're seeing, Uh, you can disagree, like, but you can see in people that go to churches that subscribe to different cultural groups, they have group think. This is mass group thing. 00:18:49 Speaker 4: It's mass psychosis, is a thing like this, this this whole thing. 00:18:53 Speaker 2: And I don't even go to psychosis. I just think it's mass group think because there's differently well, there's there's people insane people that are leaders of the of the the packs, so to speak. Right, And we've seen that even with people who have like been evil. 00:19:08 Speaker 4: Charlie's and the Lindsay Plants and. 00:19:12 Speaker 2: You and me and Blake and whoever else. Right, So we've we have some like we kind of have PhDs a little bit of this now at this point. But again, there's layers to it, right. There's people who are like, oh yeah, I mean I kind of like you, but I have questions. Oh yeah, I don't like you, but I have questions. Oh yeah, I'm just gonna make up like crazy stuff. Oh yeah, I'm just gonna make up even crazier stuff. And like layers to it again, and there's different there's different like chiefs in different camps and all those different layers. But the point is is that it's all spawning from the same algorithm. 00:19:48 Speaker 4: I'm actually curious, are you guys seeing more that Patrick Clancy killed or is actually the one who killed the kids? Or are you seeing more women just saying she had postpartum psychosis? That's real, And you're you're a terrible person for judging. You're a man, you're not allowed to judge. Yeah, I'm seeing more of the postpartum stuff than the Patrick. 00:20:06 Speaker 2: People getting confused and psychosis. 00:20:09 Speaker 5: I'm seeing both, Yeah, I think, I think, I think that's the majority of it. But there is a very large contingent that says it was Patrick, and including very large TikTok followers, which are people with large kiktok followings, I should say, which I think is driving a lot of this because you know, people are you know, it's the algorithm rewards whatever the most outlandish thing you have to say. So whoever says the most outlandish thing, oh, it was the husband. And now there by the way they're they're currently trying to say that the husband was secretly on a trip in Costa Rica with the new wife. 00:20:43 Speaker 3: Like you know, the week. 00:20:45 Speaker 5: After the murders and all this, and they're going through like social media pages and stuff, and and so I wanted to play if I could, because. 00:20:53 Speaker 4: Russ says, I'm seeing more of the husband. So that's interesting. 00:20:58 Speaker 3: Word. 00:20:58 Speaker 5: I think it also depends to where you looking, like on on on X, I think it's more POSTTBD. But I do think Russ is right that if you look on TikTok and stuff, it's it's more than osmod. 00:21:08 Speaker 2: But but but before you go to that clip, chack, And this is what I've noticed from our stuff, right and like the people that make up crazy conspiracies around Charlie or whatever, right, And this is what I've learned from it, is that the blocking and tackling that essentially happens from what people would largely call like the fair game arguments, right, or the like the debate right or debating things that are more fair right, Like it's it's a fair debate to have a debate over how America treats depression and causes depression and all that stuff, right, And that's that's really at the heart of I think most good people's points that are trying to wait into this discussion but not really thinking about you know, oh well, at the end of the day, I'm like, actually, look like I'm defending a murder. I think there's a contingency, a large contingency of people. But the blocking attacking that comes from that debate is it enables the people who are making. 00:22:09 Speaker 4: Up the thing that the death flow is. It gives cover to the. 00:22:13 Speaker 2: What I don't think these people realize is that you by by accidentally, by accidentally defending a murderer. By starting a live debate on postpartum psychosis or depression or whatever, you actually are creating a world in which all these crazy people can make up this lie about the dad murdering, and then nobody goes after that person because it hurts your argument. When crazy this is politics went on, right, When the craziest person in your camp comes out and makes your entire argument look bad, you're never going to attack the most vile and in as part of the politics. And people get mad and left versus right politics for this because they're like, well, why aren't you constantly going after Nick flint Is or constantly going after whoever right is, like the most hated person on the internet today, right, or people are saying that about Tucker or whoever else right now. It's like, guys, we're focused on building and all that stuff, right, and those people naturally exist because they have their own opinions or whatever. 00:23:14 Speaker 4: But you're right, the algorithm rewards the craziest stuff. 00:23:16 Speaker 2: But it creates that, right because when you're focused on your debate and your argument, if it's ninety percent, it allows for those things to exist. And we've seen that that's been large of this situation when we've had to deal and I've had a ton of time to reflect upon this, which is like how do these people exist? Well, it's the people that are like started at least in a genuine spot that were like I don't trust the government and da da da, and I don't trust the police, or I don't trust universities. Like there's a lot of players here that like people just naturally don't trust right politicians, dad, all those things, and like I actually agree with that, but it's created this world in which the craziest and these people are never going to handle those people because they never want to see any ground on their debate. 00:24:01 Speaker 4: Yeah, by the way, Zuzu's Pedals says, every mom supporting Lindsey Clancy needs to have CPS check on their kids. I don't disagree. 00:24:09 Speaker 7: She also she also just pointed out, yeah, the good facts, like she was a maternity ward nurse, she knew about postpartum depression, and she was still medication shopping. She was doctor shopping. And she points out I've seen this take a few times with different you know, puppies with kids. She says, if she murdered kittens, people would be flipping out. One yeah, and I think that's right. I think for puppies, if she had she murdered, if she'd murdered a bunch of family, if she murdered another family's dog instead like one like life in prison, and they would not make it. 00:24:40 Speaker 4: This like abortion culture that's bleeding in. It's it's affected the way that we think about the sanctity of life, especially with women, where they're like, shout my abortion and like, oh, this pregnancy and this being a mom is so like heavy upon me. And I have compassion on the mental load that this has been put upon her. All this stuff I. 00:25:00 Speaker 7: Saw that's interesting. This is from Paul on ex but is his ex account is Woman Definer, and he says fifth wave feminism is pivoting from men being the problem to men and kids being the problem. 00:25:14 Speaker 4: It's true and. 00:25:15 Speaker 7: There's something to that, and so it gets out a bigger picture thing that I find really interesting. There was a chart I saw highlighted by the Institute for Family Studies, I think, and the percentage of twelfth graders who want kids if they're conservative, it's ninety percent, and it's been ninety percent forever for independence, pretty similar for like Democrat or liberal identified twelfth graders. It was ninety percent in the past, same as everyone else, and around twenty eleven or maybe twenty fourteen, one of those years it started to drop. And now it's only at about seventy percent and it keeps going down. What we are getting a political alignment of basically the left actively viewing kids as bad. 00:25:54 Speaker 2: Slightly salty in the chat is saying, hey, you should inform more people about postpartum depression and post part of psychosis. We're actually not qualified even to like inform people about those things. I mean, I'm not And so. 00:26:07 Speaker 4: Isn't it like one in ten women get postpartum. 00:26:09 Speaker 2: But here, Yeah, But here's what I do know. Here's what I do know is that postpartum depression is is something that many people get and is treatable and doesn't lead to killing your kids. Post part of psychosis is you are going, you are ah, you are an enemy to yourself, You have a lot of things and and very few people get it. It's like, I think I looked it up. I can't remember. 00:26:38 Speaker 4: I'm looking it up right now. 00:26:39 Speaker 2: It was it's I think it was one in I can't remember. I'll wait for you to pull it up. But it's it's it's it's extraordinarily rare in comparison to postpartum depression. They both just lead with a prefix. Can depression lead to psychosis? There's arguments about all those things again that we don't we're not qualified to talk about. The point of our conversation is that we're not talking about the effects. We're not even debating the impact that postpartum depression or psychosis has on a society. We know it exists of when people shouldn't be celebrating a woman that murdered three children. 00:27:20 Speaker 4: Ten to twenty percent of women giving birth get postpartum depression, so ten to twenty percent depending on the stat that you look at. Postpartum psychosis is much rare, approximately one or two per one thousand berths, so point one or point two percent incident rate. And then basically, post part of depression is a mood disorder similar to major depression. Postpartum psychosis is a psychiatric emergency involving a break from reality, including hallucinations, delusions, severe confusion, rapid mood swings mania. Anyways, Jack, you were trying to chime in there. 00:27:56 Speaker 3: Yeah, well not even that. 00:27:58 Speaker 5: I just there was a clip that Johnny cm P pulled up this morning. Where do you guys remember the Susan Smith case in nineteen ninety four she she murdered. 00:28:07 Speaker 4: Watched the old clips and I couldn't understand them. It was the wildest thing. There's like the black four Yeah, black outs from like I don't know, like urban wherever this was. Do you remember what is this philis play? 00:28:20 Speaker 3: Let's play first, let's pay in South Carolina? 00:28:22 Speaker 5: So so this was this took her If you remember the nineteen nineties, this was like the big thing, huge story is kind of in between I guess OJ. 00:28:30 Speaker 3: And but then pre Columbine. I mean, this story was everywhere. 00:28:34 Speaker 5: Blind Mellon wrote a song about it, and it was about a mother who she strapped her kids into uh into a car, and she let the car drive into a lake and they both drowned. And here was how mothers reacted when she arrived at that courthouse in nineteen ninety four. 00:29:03 Speaker 3: I mean, it's termed to take from the baby life. They don't even know what the world is about. 00:29:07 Speaker 4: They don't even know the beginning. They don't know and I. 00:29:19 Speaker 8: Won't knowing the cone and all the time knowing that they're in the Bombless Nake. 00:29:22 Speaker 3: There's no excuse. 00:29:23 Speaker 7: I would definitely get there, all right, I'm gonna need someone to translate. 00:29:27 Speaker 4: That actually at that time, like, there's no excuse for that. Uh, she deserves the same thing those women, those these kids got. Yeah, they were calling her a baby killer. They're screaming at her murderer. 00:29:39 Speaker 7: It shows how much and a lot of this is whipped up because by default there are crime you know, most murderers even do not get tons of public attention. And it shows kind of the the mob element of it that it wouldn't shock me if a lot of the same people who decided to show up at that courthouse to like scream at the criminal dependent to call her baby killer, could be have their buttons pressed in a different way to show up and scream in support of Lindsey Clancy today. Yeah, I don't know, speculation. 00:30:09 Speaker 5: I think that I get what you're saying that, like people, people get emotional and then they react. But I would also just say that in the nineteen nineties, right, the only acceptable public reaction was shock and horror and vehement outrage at the killing of these children, and that's why there were You can go back and look and there's like Blind Melon, which is like a pretty well known like alt rock band from the nineties, wrote a song about this. 00:30:35 Speaker 3: There's other songs you can look up. It was just something that there's a. 00:30:38 Speaker 5: Character in that HBO show ODZ that's based off of this disgusting person. 00:30:44 Speaker 3: And I found this video. 00:30:49 Speaker 5: So she was up for parole and in twenty twenty four and the husband, her ex husband, So the father went up and actually spoke and was just it's one of the saddest things I've ever watched. And I haven't clipped it yet, but I'm going to. And you know, he's saying that, you know, she robbed she robbed our future from us, she robbed their future, and she's never one shown remorse in all these years. 00:31:13 Speaker 4: She's next up for parole in November nineteen November nineteen, twenty twenty six. 00:31:17 Speaker 2: It's crazy. 00:31:18 Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's like it's like every two years now. 00:31:20 Speaker 4: Yeah. So he actually argued against her getting out, which good she was, you know, and he's got by the way, yeah. 00:31:27 Speaker 5: And he's got other so he's had, you know, remarried and had other kids who are now older. And then those kids went up and said you know, these would have been our big brothers. 00:31:38 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just I just I think where we started this thing is like is the truth. 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And I think it's really difficult for people to hold to truths that may seem opposite simultaneously. She can be a wonderful, loving mother, and she did this horrible thing that. 00:34:01 Speaker 4: She was so sick. 00:34:03 Speaker 6: I mean, I've seen the testimony every day. I can see how devastated she is, and I believe her. 00:34:09 Speaker 7: I believe her, I the same thing. I just say the same My response to this is always to just go back to no one would ever in a million years say this about a person who did a mass shooting, and they could have the exact same life history otherwise of shopping to doctors, getting on pills. 00:34:26 Speaker 4: Oh, you know, normally he was. 00:34:28 Speaker 7: Just a great guy, and then you know, unfortunately he woke up one day and assembled an AR fifteen, went and shot a bunch of people. 00:34:34 Speaker 2: I can't imagine sitting next to a person like this on an airplane or something like. I can't believe that people like this sit next to me on airplanes. 00:34:42 Speaker 4: I guess we have more guys. There's the bow's out there. More clips up twenty eight. 00:34:48 Speaker 9: Does anyone have a message for lindsay you support. 00:34:51 Speaker 10: You, Lindsey. We are all here for you and we hope for a change. 00:34:55 Speaker 9: What would be your message to the people that say she murdered her children. 00:35:00 Speaker 10: I think there's more to this story that people don't understand. If you watch trial, you'll see that. And I think we all need to educate ourselves in postpartum I certainly have been educating myself, and my heart goes to her and I just hope for the very best for her. 00:35:16 Speaker 4: Gosh, it's hard for me to watch. 00:35:18 Speaker 10: Man. 00:35:20 Speaker 4: There there's all these other like videos too, of these women going around like holding their baby, like throwing ice and like raging, and it like all I get. I get like very witchy vibes, like I do I saying about it, man, it's like witchy. 00:35:35 Speaker 2: No, that woman, oh, that that original woman on there like the the immediate justification for a murderer and be like basically, I mean, she was basically saying, just let her go. 00:35:46 Speaker 4: I'm worried that there's like this like kind of mass break with reality happening right now. All I can legitimately, Yeah, here's the Oh, here's the gal. She's she is. She a mom. She's a mom, right, guys, she's like she says she is. 00:35:59 Speaker 5: I'ven't followed the rest of her account, but yeah, she's screaming, so she what she's So she's throwing this ice into her tub, saying that when I go in here and let out my rage. Also while filming herself for social media cloud by the way, that that allows me to quote feel angry without being destructive. And I get that there's a level of performativeness to all of this stuff, like I said before, but I think there's people who do this even when it's not on social media, or they do it in earnest and don't even realize that they are just doing it for the cloud. 00:36:37 Speaker 3: And the. 00:36:39 Speaker 5: Look she's got edits in this right, like like she's making a video, you know, but. 00:36:45 Speaker 2: She's herself, she's training herself, like she believes the get the pats on the back for this right, which again which again, this is the scary part. 00:36:55 Speaker 3: This is the scary part of the same way that incentivization. 00:36:57 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the scary part with the same with like mass murderers and people like copycats. Is all of these women again again even if they feel this way, which is not acceptable, totally unacceptable, totally broken society, but they are incentivizing copycats. They are telling there we are going to see dozens of women hurt their children probably and I mean, who knows, who knows how this because they're gonna watch. 00:37:30 Speaker 5: I think we said this, I think we said this last week, right, we said that that someone will do this again because they want to be the New The New Lindsay Clancy. 00:37:38 Speaker 4: I don't. 00:37:39 Speaker 7: I don't think it'll be because they want to be. I don't think it's quite as simple as that. But it is the high profiles of the Final Boss. Well, what it is more is like it's it's seeding the meme in people's brains as like a thing you might do if you're crazy, the same way, like the way the same way school shootings work. Actually that like why do why does America have school shootings? Partly it is that it is in like the script that if you're an extremely anti social, screwed up young guy, that that's like a thing an extremely screwed up young guy does is to specifically shoot up his school. And so similarly, we're kind of getting the script set that if you're really depressed and you're on a bunch of pills and not going well, this is a thing that your brain can pull out of the symptom jar and kind of the same way that if you're a girl in the nineties, the scripts might say, oh, a girl who's depressed and unhappy might become anorexic and that comes and goes aways. Or a girl who's depressed today might have. 00:38:41 Speaker 3: That's still that point though. 00:38:42 Speaker 5: The point is if these are the scripts that we're allowing to run in our society, then they can destroy our society, right, whether or not it's it's like a script or a deliberate decision. Like that's kind of I get what you're saying totally, but that's kind of metaphysical from the point of like women are going to go kill their kids because of this, Like, and that's the reality that we have to deal with. 00:39:00 Speaker 2: Well, and what freaks yeah, and what freaks me out about this whole thing is that they're going to a person that's crazy, that's actually crazy, which is the same definition as being in psychosis. You're crazy, You're a crazy person. You've lost your mind. You need to be you know, take you need to be taken care of at that point. Right, If if you're having and you need to be removed from your children, you need to be removed from your children, from society. You should be in a padded cell in most cases, right, That's what we used to do. And the fact is, though, is that we're not We're never going to do that. America is not going to go back, is never going to do stuff like that. We're going to continue to prop up these people, and what they're going to say to themselves is, you know, when I have when they're in that final moment of making a decision to do something like that that they've been thinking about. Clearly, I think obviously Lindsey Clancy was thinking about how she was going to kill her kids numerous times, which is how she in a premeditated way, figured out she would use to kill them. And she intentionally sent her husband to the store to do this because she knew she knew she would have enough time because husbands take fifty minutes to buy one thing. Yeah, and so in the same way that you know that, you now have women that are going to do that, and when they're in that break, in that moment where they make the decision of like, I just can't do this, this is why they're gonna say, well, at least if I do it, at least I know I'm gonna have fans. 00:40:27 Speaker 4: This is why clarity on this is so important. She belongs in prison or the death penalty, Like obviously it's Massachusetts not gonna happen. But point is, that is why that messaging is so critical that you cannot see it an inch on this because it could end up becoming a thing. Right, we were talking about this this what they call it genetic psychosis or something like that out of ancient Greece. 00:40:54 Speaker 7: So there's a whole oh yeah, yeah, yeah, well this is just my leadst so the same The story went viral. 00:40:59 Speaker 4: I wonder if you know about this story. 00:41:01 Speaker 7: It's just a story. It gets posted a few times. I think it got posted originally about the trans stuff. But there was a suicide epidemic in the city of my Leitus, in a big city, yea, and these like young teenage women, like one killed herself. It got a lot of attention, and then it became an epidemic. Young women kept committing suicide, and finally the arcan of the city or whatever their title was, announces the next woman who does this, we are going to strip her body naked and we're going to hang it from the city wall and let the birds eat it. And there were no more suicides in my Lidis after that. 00:41:32 Speaker 4: Isn't that wild? Yeah? I mean there's something about so by the way, sisterhood hive brain, I think, yeah. 00:41:40 Speaker 3: But also shame works really well in here. 00:41:43 Speaker 5: So you know, we we write about this in uh we have a fifth wave feminism chapter in the new book, and we we write that shame is a great way to fight back against. 00:41:56 Speaker 3: This, and so that's why. 00:41:57 Speaker 5: And as a message to any women out there who do things like this, we will shame you. We will post your videos which you've already posted online. By the way, So these are public videos that you posted the whole world to see. 00:42:12 Speaker 4: You're gonna famous them, especially are posting these images with your kids. 00:42:17 Speaker 2: Can you imagine growing up finding like basically saying that, like you, you sympathize with a murderer and you. 00:42:30 Speaker 7: Want me dead mom, or even just the posts that are like I hate being a mom and I'm like posing like sobbing. 00:42:37 Speaker 4: I have to give a shout out to still Boneless, by the way, who's a friend of ours. On x so, he posts this rage video. I think it's a thirty one b roll, but his caption is amazing. He goes, when feminists with Instagram accounts have to change diapers instead of go to brunch with endless mimosas, this is how they react. 00:42:58 Speaker 3: I mean, I mean that's that's that's a good point, though, Like how much of. 00:43:01 Speaker 5: This so like we talk about how there's this this massacosis, but also how much of the depression is driven from Instagram brain to begin with totally where it's like you've got your baby and you're you know, may throw a lot of work, right so and abortion there's feeding stuff and and uh, you know, bathing and cleaning and and caring and putting them down. 00:43:24 Speaker 3: It's like a towenty four seven operation. 00:43:26 Speaker 5: And meanwhile, while you're with the baby, what do you have in your hand is your phone and you're scrolling Instagram. And to his point, there's all your friends having emoses. There's all your friends at brunch and you're not there, and it's all because of the baby. So suddenly it's like the baby is your oppressor, is your enemy. 00:43:44 Speaker 2: And that and that's where the abortion debate starts, right that nobody hones in on, which is just like how many people, how many of these women are not they're saying it without saying it is that they wish they had gotten an abortion. 00:43:58 Speaker 4: I'm sure a lot of them. 00:44:00 Speaker 2: But this is this is the point, is that their defense, in my opinion, their defense of Clancy in many ways, is that the admittance of not wanting to be a mom in general, wishing that they had done the easy thing, which is an easy access to abortion, which is terrible. And this is the abortion culture. I think this is downstream of abortion. 00:44:24 Speaker 4: Child sacrifice, man, child sacrifice as old as time. 00:44:27 Speaker 2: But but there, but but this is this is some of the honest like thought process that's going through. Is you know, do you think Lindsay Clancy had wished that she had aborted her children and that came into her head at some point she never wanted me to be a mom. She was willing to kill them. 00:44:42 Speaker 4: I I don't get the right indication that she was. She was mad about being a mom after the first two? Is that fair? 00:44:50 Speaker 2: She okay? 00:44:51 Speaker 7: I think she had it was much worse than the third one. 00:44:53 Speaker 4: Well, obviously I have a I have a thought provoking question. At least. I don't know if you guys talked about this last week or not, but if Lindsey Clancy was like a one or a ten, because like, I don't know, people describe her ash. 00:45:11 Speaker 11: She's just attractive. I talked to a friend and she's attractive enough. She's like the girl you'd you'd be next to you. She she is she has the exact just like a woman. She has the exact appearance of a woman who would be the like unjustly like accused woman in a made for TV movie Like that would not be a ten out of ten, and it would not be a zero out of ten. It is a woman who is attractive enough that that is would be casting. 00:45:40 Speaker 5: She's not five, she's mid, right, She's not five. 00:45:44 Speaker 3: Is not attractive enough, that's average. She's a six. So she's just a little bit. 00:45:50 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna get hammered. She's like the same as. 00:45:54 Speaker 4: You remember that thought crime where Tyler just went off on how Taylor's. 00:45:57 Speaker 2: Like a four. 00:45:59 Speaker 5: Well, people, so get mad at me for saying that Taylor Swift is overweight on her tour. But she was, and she lost a lot of weight before her wedding. 00:46:05 Speaker 2: So. 00:46:07 Speaker 4: Never overweight, and she is obviously on her tour. 00:46:12 Speaker 3: Go pull, I remember that. 00:46:13 Speaker 2: I remember. 00:46:15 Speaker 3: Why did she lose all that weight for a wedding? Andrew did come cold? 00:46:20 Speaker 4: That? 00:46:21 Speaker 3: Andrew Cole, that posting coal Andrew Cole That. 00:46:25 Speaker 4: No, no way, you guys are crazy. Anyways, here's my question. If she was a ten, would she be getting all of this sympathy? No, no, if she was a zero, would she beginning? She's exactly right. This is one of the weird through loundes here. She is, I guess, pleasant ish looking. She's six according to Jack, and that is just in that sweet spot where the mass number of women can rally behind her without feeling threatened. Midterm elections are coming up and control of Congress is on the line. 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I'm just telling you there is a whole thought I don't care. 00:48:47 Speaker 4: We need to do a whole thought crime on the psychologies or whatever. 00:48:50 Speaker 2: I'm a mid. You know, Dad bought. I don't care like I g admit, I'm not like thinking like I'm some kind of like hot, you know, commodity in my age. But I'm saying a lot of the women I'm happy. A lot of these women that I've seen that come up with these conspiracies and like all varying different conspiracies, but specifically around like this this Lindsey Clancy thing. Almost all of them, they're they're usually like they used to be maybe attractive, and they've lost the step and they really hate themselves. Maybe their husbands, maybe they're single, I don't know, but like they have this like deep profound self loathing or just. 00:49:31 Speaker 4: Like resentment or unhappiness. Like in general, I think we have an epidemic of women being very unhappy. 00:49:37 Speaker 2: Just unhappy, Yeah, just unhappy. It's like just be happy. 00:49:39 Speaker 4: That's Instagram brain though, I think, and Blake has talked about this. You compare yourself. So if you go back to the ancient ancient world, right, you'd be in a village, you would as a woman, you would be comparing yourself to approximately twenty three other women that were maybe your same age, and that was your whole world. Yes, that was all you could compare yourself, so you just wouldn't have probably such standouts. But now on Instagram you're comparing yourself to the whole world. 00:50:03 Speaker 7: It's pretty funny. This is actually having like macro effects because for example, fertility rates have fallen really hard in the third world in last like six seven years, much faster than in the first world. And that this is one not even Bollywood. They're just comparing themselves to the first world. They watch, they get they can get the same tiktoks, so they can see a TikTok of the West. They can see a TikTok of people partying in Los Angeles even if they live in Hyderabad, and so they it's a flattening of standards across the world. When it's a standard almost nobody in your entire country can meet. There's a lot of interesting. 00:50:42 Speaker 2: Stuff like this, But this is the point, with all of the point that you're making TikTok, which is that most most things in life are pretty mid right, Like go to the. 00:50:53 Speaker 4: DMV, like the life is like, you'll see a lot of loads to mids. 00:50:57 Speaker 2: Most people. 00:50:58 Speaker 4: You know, this is the famous Seinfeld's see where he goes he goes most people are ugly, Like they have this whole conversation. 00:51:06 Speaker 2: And it's not it's not like ugly ugly, right, Like life is beautiful. Everyone has their own beauty and uniqueness and everyone's a you know, a constellation or a snowflake. 00:51:14 Speaker 4: Okay, but like the point is it's qualifier qualifier. 00:51:17 Speaker 2: But like we're all pretty similar to each other. We're all pretty. There's there's the standout, like most beautiful model asque people in this world. There's the standout most beautiful. You know, expensive vacations in this world, but most vacations are mid But it's everyone's experience. 00:51:32 Speaker 4: I was gonna say, but that's what Instagram does, right Jack, Instagram. Yeah, if you've got your family trip, you're comparing your family trip to the Instagram model's family trip. Who everything's perfect and they get the. 00:51:45 Speaker 5: It's also it's also reget mimicking behavior. So this is why there's a lot of places like Sansorini, Greece. Right, this is like become this big place on Instagram because they're like, oh my gosh, where's that, Oh my gosh, where's that. 00:51:57 Speaker 3: I gotta go. 00:51:58 Speaker 5: I gotta go, I gotta go, and it's like it's it's cool, like we actually went right, we kind of allowed I enabled right, and that it's it's just one of those things that like it wouldn't exist. Or I think Zion is a big one as well. 00:52:12 Speaker 2: And yeah, but jack, Jack, but maybe you can confirm this like Santorini. Right, what happens is that people show it and it's like you see the pictures, you see the five Star, you see the five stars, there's no one there and it's like the white buildings and everything, and then you get there and this is why I've heard about Greece. 00:52:30 Speaker 4: It's like crowded. 00:52:31 Speaker 2: It's crowded. In fact, that was my experience. 00:52:33 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, so it depends if you go, if you go on a cruise, because then you're getting there like when all the cruises arrived, so like you're with the throngs of people. Greece itself Athens I thought was kind of dirty. Sorry, it's just true. And but yeah, its so if you stay there, you can have you can have a good time. Actually what I thought was fun and. 00:52:56 Speaker 3: I'll just shout it out because i'd. 00:52:58 Speaker 5: Been I was doing this speaking engagement in Serbia and then I realized how close Grease was and we figured it out that I realized that you can get like four wheelers on Santorini. So at first I was like, I was like, I so don't want to be here. But then I was like, wait, I can get a four wheeler and just tool around the island. 00:53:15 Speaker 3: So once I got that, I was like, this is great. 00:53:17 Speaker 4: My wife and I did our baby moon for our first kid in Mikonos and that was super cool. I will oh, yeah, that was the last time I was actually in Europe. Believe it or not. I'm just like such a homer. I love being in America, so I don't even that was like my last real Internet. I mean I probably went to Mexico or something in the midst of it. But anyways, my point is that women are comparing themselves to a lot of really like beautiful things online and it's like home, It's like, I'm not It's not even just how hot you are, it's like how put together your family comes across, how happy their family is, how beautiful their vacation was, how nice their home decor is, Like constantly at every single stage of their life, caring stuff. 00:53:56 Speaker 2: Every single thing they're home. The home. The home thing is like. 00:53:59 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, that's I'm telling I'm telling you right now, Jack wants I know, Jack wants to get to Yeah, go ahead. 00:54:04 Speaker 3: Yeah, Instagram Brain. 00:54:07 Speaker 5: It's it's constant comparisons, and it's it's wrecking relationships, wrecking. 00:54:11 Speaker 2: But it's escalating. So it was it was looks. It was, it was looks, it was, it was cooking, it's vacations, it was making wardrobe, it was vacation everything. And I'm getting to it. But it's escalated now to homes. Yeah, and beyond that, right, Like and again, there's always been a sense of keeping up with the Joneses across the country and at church and things like that. Right, but again, to this point, you have unlimited keeping up with the Joneses, and you will never keep up, and you will die trying to keep up. And I think that's what we're seeing. We're seeing the death of the modern American woman and trying to keep up with the Internet Jones. 00:54:59 Speaker 7: Well that in a weird way, would you believe me if I told you that? That feels like it's kind of a white pill in that the selection this is causing no is so well, what I mean is this is absolutely vaporizing a ton of people, but it's vaporizing them so hard that we're we're like deleting the people who are vulnerable to this from existence. Yeah, so, I mean, it's just like it's becoming a political issue, whether it's not even how many you have, it's not political, like, oh, conservatives will have two kids and liberals will have one. It's becoming like intense Conservatives are having three or four kids and liberals are having zero. Liberals don't even want to get married. Liberals don't want to dates, and so no, no, sorry, And so it's happening here like we're selecting so hard against this, and we're selecting against all these bad Instagram trends of the keeping up with the Jones thing, being addicted to it generally the way, and then it's bad on somebody else because it's bad because it makes you compare. It's bad because you watch tons of short videos and that makes your brain kind of melt and you become stupid. We're selecting against this turbo hard, and in thirty thirty five years, the only survivors are gonna be the people who are were not destroyed by this and had kids and that's somewhat positive. 00:56:14 Speaker 4: Yeah, what were you saying, Jack? Jack was gonna get the chime in. 00:56:16 Speaker 5: Yeah, So if you want to do another thought crime, just I know, you know, we're getting close to the hour mark here and. 00:56:21 Speaker 3: And here's here's the other piece of it. 00:56:23 Speaker 4: Like it. 00:56:24 Speaker 5: There's a reason why a lot of women do not like the man here. And a lot of conservative women have reached out to me. I'm not gonna name names, but have said, you know, I agree that she did it, but I feel like there's something wrong with the man. 00:56:37 Speaker 3: And they'll keep saying over and over they feel like there's something wrong with you. What there's something wrong? And it just has to be said. 00:56:42 Speaker 5: Guys, Patrick Clancy was a beta okay, and you look at all of his behavior. It's all beta behavior, it's all enabling behavior. It's all, Oh, we can make Lindsay better. I can fix her. It's okay that she treats me like this, like you really think that this was like she'd been committed. Before she'd been committed. 00:57:04 Speaker 3: She's on Sarah's anti psychotics. 00:57:06 Speaker 5: She's on all these things, and he's he's still keeps the kids there and didn't take the kids away. 00:57:11 Speaker 4: Kids that's a fair point. But if you're if your wife gets he's weird and you love her and he's like we trying what what what is the right? 00:57:20 Speaker 7: If well it feels weird, it does feel like I think there is an element with some of these mental illnesses which are real, where they do gain strength the more they are able to draw people in to accommodate them. 00:57:37 Speaker 3: And like with. 00:57:38 Speaker 7: Codependency, sort of yeah, like what's weird to say is I feel like I feel like Lindsay Clancy's kids would be alive if her husband was like a coal miner or something, and like he just what I'm saying, he was like a sailor on like if he was in the navy and just straight up was gone for eight months, Like oh you're depressed. Sorry, I cannot come back. I am physically on a ship and cannot. 00:58:01 Speaker 2: Be with you. 00:58:01 Speaker 7: You need to hold this, you need to hold this down. And it might have sucked. She might have been miserable, or she might have even been less miserable. Well, but it would not have unfolded. 00:58:10 Speaker 4: This was like a modern approach to this stuff. And I said this on our Daily show. But you know, I remember I was in the traveling through the UK years and years ago, and I met this like old timey like old school britt, you know. And he was like, I don't do therapy. I just have a beer with my mates down at the pub and that's what we do. And like, I know that's kind of tongue in cheek, but there is something to it where we grow, where you go so hard on, like we need help. The system failed her. She needed all these meds and we needed health care professionals around her twenty five, Like, no, the system didn't. Like what more would the system do for her? She needed like old school, Like. 00:58:47 Speaker 2: We're in the greatest generation for systems, Like we have the most systems, the greatest system, the biggest system that's ever existed in the history of the world, arguably, like and and it's you're you're you're trying to We've created our own problems. Obviously, it's like this so odd. 00:59:07 Speaker 4: But it's just enabling. I think culture is enabling. 00:59:12 Speaker 5: So right, So maybe the system is the problem because think about it, what kind of woman is going to respect her man if you just had a baby and the mother is actor, excuse me, and the man is what kind of woman is ever going to respect a man where you just had a baby and the man is acting in the role of your own mother, right, the man is not supposed to act like a grandmother. 00:59:33 Speaker 3: A man is not supposed to act And that's that's you. That's your mom's role, all right, to help help out around the house. 00:59:39 Speaker 5: And traditional cultures, that's what mom does when a baby is born. 00:59:44 Speaker 3: Mom comes by, they move in, they hang out. 00:59:47 Speaker 5: Families used to live closer together, Tyler, you know what I'm talking about, And that's where the family support network used to come in because moms didn't have to quote unquote. 00:59:56 Speaker 3: Do it all by yourself and also have a career. 01:00:00 Speaker 5: Right, that's where modern world and modern feminism comes in. And then of course you go to the doctor and you say, doctor, I'm I'm feeling depressed. What was the doctor saying, Oh, here's your SSRIs and your Sarahquoil and your Michdo and all these other things. And meanwhile it's just like, no, You're upset because you feel like you don't have the support you need. And then you look at a husband operating in a female role and suddenly you think, oh my gosh. 01:00:24 Speaker 4: I don't know if he was or not? I mean I do. I don't know if we know that or not. 01:00:29 Speaker 3: Look at the facts. Just look at the facts. 01:00:31 Speaker 4: Was he operating in a female I mean he was stay home, stay home work right, he's working from home, but like doesn't mean he's operating a female role. I don't know. 01:00:41 Speaker 3: Look at the facts. 01:00:43 Speaker 4: I just don't know. 01:00:44 Speaker 5: But I'm saying that it used to be that was the role of grandmom's. Grandmoms used to be the ones that can grandmas that with. 01:00:51 Speaker 4: The experience and stuff. I mean, certainly, Hi, folks, Andrew Colvett here, I'd like to tell you about my friends over. You've probably been hearing me talk about y REFI for some time now. We are all in with these guys. 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I'm like you, people read way too much about Yeah, but so a person smiled in a camera thing. I think we are over that, right, Come on, I. 01:02:15 Speaker 4: Don't know, man, something about it. 01:02:16 Speaker 2: Here's what here's what I believe about her. 01:02:18 Speaker 4: I'm not points about her. 01:02:20 Speaker 2: No, it's Luigi Mangioni stuff, which is just like again the drilling into culture. I mean, the reality is is that her support base is has grown dramatically over this past week and it will continue to grow. I just pulled up a pole on Luigi Mangioni, which was scary, and we talked about this a lot at the time. Was that at the time a poll of young people, over forty five percent of young people said they support what he did. A murderer, right, And we talked about this and we debated this. I don't think she's going to get to like Luigi Mangioni levels. However, the outward expression and of support for her, again similar to some of the stuff that we've dealt with and the conspiracy theorists around Charlie, is that it's a it's a minority of a super minority of people maybe, but it's culty three percent enthusiastic, but it has the effect of feeling like a forty yeah, so different from Mangioni. I don't think there was I mean, there was a ton of vocal people who were supportive. It never felt like forty five percent of the world was like it was like a half and half debate. It felt like a ten percent maybe was like supportive of him. I my concern is that when you have a super minority of people that feels like a forty percent, which that's what this feels like right now. I'll be honest with you, Like you go to the internet, like it feels like more people support this woman than support of Luigia Angiote, like that's how I felt this week, and and that's where it drives. Like for me, it like it actually turns into a type thing where it's like do we have a society again? And coming out of COVID, this is probably a real thing where it's like a super minority of people can influence a majority of people. 01:04:14 Speaker 4: And this is where the Lindsay Clancy thing, that's Rachel Maddows take. She thinks she can lead a revolution in America if she gets three percent true believers out in the streets. Right. 01:04:22 Speaker 2: I mean that's kind of how the left and the commedies do things, right, So like you. 01:04:27 Speaker 4: Have that's exactly what they do. 01:04:28 Speaker 2: So you have a situation that and this is the underlying effect and tone of this whole thing. That's really that's really freaking me out is that this is a super Marxist driven And then you look at other people who are saying. 01:04:42 Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, you just inspired me on something though, because I have thought a long time about this that if you are a foreign actor and you mean ill for the United States, you hate America, what do you do you take really straightforward cases like Lindsay Clancy or even honestly Tyler Robinson, And then you create an online ecosystem where everybody that's like looking at the facts going like, well, she admitted she killed her kids. She had like the defense says that the prosecute everybody agrees she killed them, like this is horrific, this is crazy. But then you nudge all these people and you amplify the crazy voices so that everybody who's saying is looking online going like, am I taking crazy pills here? And I just happened to believe that, Like there I'm if I'm a foreign actor and I want to destroy America from the inside out and whittle away at the core character of the country, I would just amplify all these crazy stories because it drives me crazy. 01:05:42 Speaker 5: Andrew, I completely co sign it, and I completely agree. And I was just having a phone call with somebody earlier today where and I'll just say it right, I've been thinking about this all week, and it's just got to the point where I was like, you know what, when we first heard about TikTok, what was the one thing that we were all saying, The Chinese Communist Party is driving these narratives The Chinese Communist Party is a foreign actor that wants us to hate ourselves and obviously is communist and wants to divide Americans. And a lot of people were like, oh, it's kind of boomer. It's like a boomer take, et cetera, et cetera. And then you kind of look at the sort of things that have been driven lately, Lindsay Clancy stuff, the Tyler Robinson stuff, which is obviously meant to divide Americans and make Americans crazy. Then you look at and I'm just going to say it, you look at the flock cameras where nobody was talking about that a couple of weeks ago, nobody, and suddenly it's like a number one issue. 01:06:38 Speaker 3: Same with the data centers. 01:06:39 Speaker 5: You're like, wait, nobody was talking about this, and now all of a sudden, all these people are talking about it. And I'm just saying in terms I'm not even making it like a pro data center narrative argument here, I'm just saying that it's very obvious. 01:06:53 Speaker 4: You're China. You certainly want America to hate data centers. 01:06:56 Speaker 3: You sure do? You sure do. 01:06:59 Speaker 4: By the way, coach your idea to take party. I co sponsored your idea. I co sign it to take over the old malls and the dilapidated urban core and the underused you remember that, right, are like, by the way, I don't want you to like rip up Virgin Land. And I feel that way about Amazon. But like I brought this up with somebody because it was like, there was some poll that came out that was like Amazon fulfillment centers had like a really high approval rating, and I was like, things are gross looking, they're huge, and then the was, yeah, but they create jobs, and I. 01:07:28 Speaker 7: Was like, Okay, I don't create that many. Yes, I mean an Amazon fulfillment center will be a like one robot in five. 01:07:38 Speaker 4: That's exactly my point. 01:07:39 Speaker 7: I don't I mean, I don't mind either way. The reason people like Amazon fulfillment centers is because they all order things off Amazon, and so they like the idea of getting for Amazons. Okay, but a big gross box will be America's National Building you have in Phoenix, Arizona. 01:07:56 Speaker 2: At some point, these things will all be underground and they'll all just like pop up, and we'll feel good about it because the landscape will just go back over to the top of these things, like the bat Cave. 01:08:05 Speaker 4: I think We're wrapping up here because we've reached our our our mark, and I will I will take this, me and Blake can take this. But I have to just say the ven diagram of the c Truthers. 01:08:16 Speaker 7: And a certain other type of Truther. 01:08:18 Speaker 4: The Lindsay Clancy and the Charlie Truthers, it's almost one to one. 01:08:24 Speaker 8: Courent writes, I know you're busy, but I'd love to know your thoughts. I'm a Lindsay Clancy case in Massachusetts. I made my thoughts clear on this the moment that she was arrested, the moment that it made the news. Lindsay Clancy is obviously not guilty. There are a fleet of doctors who should be imprisoned. 01:08:40 Speaker 7: So she actually, man, it's too bad they cut it down because she also says it was intentional psychosis. Says the doctors, the doctors intentionally like gave her psychosis to like murder her kids, probably because. 01:08:52 Speaker 4: I mean you could play the one. 01:08:54 Speaker 7: Probably because like the Jews ordered. 01:08:55 Speaker 4: Them to or something. You basically filled in the blanks there. Yeah, she goes up, But that's what I'm saying. We got a whole in like in the weirdest way, I hate the story. It makes me sad, but given what we've lived through, it's also kind of like one of those things where it's like, Okay, now do you see what we've been living through? Now do you get it? Blake tweets at him every single day fighting in the trach. 01:09:18 Speaker 7: There's wild people. Man, there's a lot of incentive to believe insane things. I mean, I don't even think we can. I you know, we were just blaming the CCP. I don't think you need the CCP for it, And I think I think, sadly, all you need. Sadly, I think all you need is an algorithm that rewards people getting emotionally, like emotionally worked up over things, crazy crap and getting rewarded for it. 01:09:46 Speaker 3: Yeah, but then it's it's really what what? God? 01:09:50 Speaker 5: It was the Lindsay I was thinking about it with the flock cameras, and I was definitely thinking about with the data centers, and then just because those were not narratives that anyone was talking about at all in the country, and then suddenly they're like hyper viral on TikTok and it's like, wait, where is this coming from? And then you see those same with Lindsay Clants because I remember that the Lindsay Clancy case had happened, you know, forever ago, and suddenly just because it's on TV, now it's getting broadcast everyone with the other cases that are on TV too, by the way, that are not getting the same amount of traction at all right now. And and look, you know, obviously we talked about last week, and you know, people can go back and see last week's episode that, Yeah, I wish that we were having more of a conversation about big Pharma because I think that's where we should be talking about it. 01:10:36 Speaker 3: The saraquo the Mikdal was she, you know, doctor shopping. 01:10:39 Speaker 4: Totally agrees that's a legitim part of the conversation. 01:10:42 Speaker 3: Because of all this insanity. 01:10:44 Speaker 2: We didn't even get into how SIDS might be fake. And that's the darkest thought crime right now. 01:10:53 Speaker 4: Sixty is the darkest thing. That woman had like five babies that all died from SIDS and then they found out she actually just murdered. 01:11:01 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure there's a bunch, but yeah, I mean there's been some real studies that's like probably ten to twenty percent of all SIDS cases. We're actual murder. 01:11:10 Speaker 4: That's dark, that's super and and that's I know people that have uh well I don't know them personally, but I knew the grandparents that had a kid that just got a super massive fever in the middle of the night. 01:11:22 Speaker 2: No for sure, for sure, there's like so yeah, I. 01:11:24 Speaker 4: Don't want to if you're listening out there and you've experienced that trauma, like please like here, but you have our compassions. 01:11:30 Speaker 2: Like everything else. There's there's people, I mean, there's there. There could be. 01:11:36 Speaker 4: But what you said is ten crazy. Maybe is some estimate. 01:11:39 Speaker 2: It could be that's crazy claiming, you know, sudden death when it. 01:11:44 Speaker 4: Was yeah, that's dark, actual murder dark. I hope that's wrong, all right, Yeah. 01:11:48 Speaker 5: Actually, I do want to throw out one thing before we go, since someone did mention it look like we're not We're not psychologists here, you know we you know, we talked for a living or you know, political analysts and activists, I guess. And if you feel like you are about to do something to harm yourself or others, and you feel that you are down a bad path and you're in a bad place, call nine one one, Call nine one one immediately. 01:12:17 Speaker 3: Do not go to these these other. 01:12:20 Speaker 5: Places and apparently some hotlines, and it didn't go well. She spoke to her husband and didn't tell them the truth. Just call nine one one, Just call up. The police will come and they could prevent possibly an emergency from taking place, or they can get you where you need to go. Just call nine one one and prevent it from happening in. 01:12:38 Speaker 3: The first place. 01:12:39 Speaker 4: On that note, I do believe that Lindsey Clancy is living through a particular kind of hell that you know, Yeah, she needs to be found guilty and she needs to be held accountable, But like, man, the hell she's living through right now, it's gotta be just yeah, you know, I think. I mean, that's assuming she has rational thoughts and normal human emotions, which maybe she's just a psychopath. Maybe she's just I don't know, completely out of touch. 01:13:02 Speaker 2: I mean all people who I mean, it goes all different directions, right with people who have done these things and where they end up and how they how they recover. I to me, I just honestly don't care. I don't care about hers. 01:13:16 Speaker 4: That's why we have to keep. 01:13:18 Speaker 2: Yeah, the moral clarity, like you said, like the moral clarity is that that people observing need to know that if you do this, you are going to be you are going to be banished from society to the point of Like again I believe in capital murder, capital punishment, execution is that you should be executed, and that young children people should realize, like, hey, I better start working with my hands and get back to work so that my mind stays clear and I don't end up in the crazy house at some point. And I think that that's honestly the thing, because again, of course these things weren't evaluating we talked about this last week at the same level they are today. But I do believe that when people were working, Americans were working harder, and they were working harder with their hands and doing more they they were they we had a better society. 01:14:11 Speaker 4: Well that's when he would struggle with depression. Would just go like what didn't he like move bricks around or something like that? 01:14:16 Speaker 2: Was it what he did? 01:14:18 Speaker 7: Yeah, he like built a cabin outside of. 01:14:19 Speaker 4: See like he would make him himself do physical, manual activities to clear his mind. A final question and then we take it away. 01:14:26 Speaker 5: Like rock grog grog lift rock, make sad thoughts go away. 01:14:31 Speaker 4: Yeah, like for real all right, final question, and then we're gonna have Jack take us home. Is the proper punishment since Massachusetts doesn't have capital punishment, is the proper punishment asylum for life or prison for life? 01:14:43 Speaker 7: Prism Even her own claim is not that she's like, oh, an insane person and he's talked about like her gambit here there people will say, oh, she's found not guilty by reason of insanity. She has to be institutionalized. But she's such an obvious case where they'd basically say, well, we have no reason to hold her because she's not like a constant threat to murder people. And then they let her go and like, no, she needs to go to prison. She murdered her children. The proper fate for those who do that is deaf. But failing that prison. 01:15:14 Speaker 4: Uh. 01:15:14 Speaker 5: Doctor Chloe Carmichael shout out to her, because she totally changed my mind on this, She pointed out. She said, look, it doesn't matter the medications. She made a choice, She conducted that behavior, she premeditated. 01:15:26 Speaker 3: She made these phone calls. 01:15:27 Speaker 5: Doctor Chloe is a clinical psychologist, by the way, so someone who absolutely she can prescribe those things and has you know, has dealt with patients. He said, Look, personal responsibility is real. None of those medications made her do that. She did that, and so if she is and by the way, she was found fit to stand trial already, I want to point that out. So she was found fit to stand trial. That's why she's on trial. So I'm saying, in prison for life. 01:15:54 Speaker 4: I'm in. I'm a prison for life guy too, So all right, Jack, take us home. 01:16:00 Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen, as always, go out there and commit more. 01:16:02 Speaker 2: Fuck rhyme. 01:16:08 Speaker 4: For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to Charliekirk dot com