THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 136 — How Much for a Watch? Flock Cameras? Uber on Dates?

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I'm wearing my wah Wah shirt. 00:01:37 Speaker 4: And uh for those listening on the pod, and it is amazing. 00:01:41 Speaker 2: It's a wonderful place. 00:01:42 Speaker 4: Russ, by the way, who's here. We got Blake, we got we got Mike McCoy. Russ had his first this last week. 00:01:50 Speaker 2: Wow, and. 00:01:56 Speaker 5: It's just qt Oh he's not He's gonna go. 00:02:00 Speaker 4: I was like, the most It's literally the most mids you will ever go. 00:02:08 Speaker 6: I went to a sheet four times this past week because I was in Seven Springs, Pennsylvania. You were in the Pittsburgh area, right, Yeah, I was. I was in Pittsberry. I went to the World Board Game Championships. Only cool kids allowed at that. 00:02:20 Speaker 5: But we went to sheets. 00:02:21 Speaker 6: And when I discovered at Sheets is you guys know, on crustables, normal and crustables. So they sell a brand of uncrustables at Sheets and they have fluffer Nutter on crustables, so peanut butter as well as peanut butter and honey and peanut butter and raspberry jam. So I tried all three of them because I am a decadent. 00:02:40 Speaker 4: This really good, this really good. They selld buffalo eggs. You guys ever tried buffalo eggs? 00:02:46 Speaker 5: Buffalo eggs. 00:02:48 Speaker 4: So it was basically like hard boiled eggs that had been somehow they they hard boiled them. 00:02:55 Speaker 2: In hot sauce. 00:02:56 Speaker 4: Wow, it was like a spicy, hard oiled egg. 00:03:01 Speaker 5: That's to pray. That's pray. 00:03:03 Speaker 6: That's sickening and upsetting. I feel a little I feel a little ill now, but I might eat one, and I don't. 00:03:11 Speaker 2: I don't know exactly how they make them. But no, no, no, you don't know. 00:03:13 Speaker 4: You don't buy it with the shell they're already show and then so it's like the egg itself is like red. 00:03:17 Speaker 2: And then I have no again, like I'm not I'm not the like so it. 00:03:21 Speaker 3: It's like what the Japanese do. 00:03:24 Speaker 6: The crazier thing, the crazier imagining is like what if they were some way they could make it. So it was a hard boiled egg and the yolk was like spicy buffalo sauce flavored. 00:03:35 Speaker 3: Something that Chinese can genetically modify. 00:03:37 Speaker 6: I will say, if the Chinese can pull this one off, I will probably submit to Beijing and I shall joined their new modern tribute tributary system, their their proper culinary appreciation. All right, So first topic, Jack, you were very you were very amped up. You're very passionate about this one, and we do. We were saying, this show so is named thought crime, so we should probably engage with a story that involves literal thought crime and it's related offense word crime. We're talking about Shiloh Hendrix. Of course, that is a woman who went unfortunately viral about a year ago because she got in a confrontation with someone, a stranger at a playground and she did do the unforgivable sin of the post twenty twenty age, which is she said a naughty word, and so she was indicted and taken to court. 00:04:31 Speaker 5: Jack, you can take it from here. 00:04:34 Speaker 2: Yeah. So this was a really interesting case and I think. 00:04:37 Speaker 4: We've all kind of covered it on our respective shows, And there was an interesting question that we got in over the week, and I kind of wanted to just sort of hash it out because I got this in from you know, conservatives, and people saying and particularly and I'm just gonna say it, I'm just gonna say it. Particularly got the question in from some women who were saying, I don't understand how what she did is okay, I don't understand why you would defend someone who did what she did. I don't understand why we're getting behind somebody like this. And and I said, well, first of all, it's about freedom speech, like that's number one. We don't put people in jail for words which are you know, thought crime, word crime. 00:05:20 Speaker 2: We don't do that. We just don't do that. 00:05:22 Speaker 4: But specifically she wanted to know, and people were asking, why is it that, why is it that this isn't a criminal act? And one of the big pieces there, and Blake, I'll throw it to you because I know you know the details is she was not convicted for anything to do with the child. She was acquitted of anything to do with the child. She was convicted. 00:05:47 Speaker 2: Of this. 00:05:50 Speaker 4: What do they call it? It was a disturbing the peace, disorderly conduct conduct. 00:05:54 Speaker 7: It literally was that Jack that The stream. 00:05:57 Speaker 6: The context of this is she does this stranger get in her face, recording her telling her say this specific thing, say this specific word, and so she does, and she is the one who is criminally charged as a result. That is the man who confronted her, who you know, Actually, let's just go. Let's get Brian Carroless is the free speech lawyer. He was representing her. He had an incredibly viral response to it, very energetic. Let's play that full clip. 00:06:27 Speaker 2: Just before we play the clip, if we can. I just want to be clear about this that. 00:06:32 Speaker 4: She was acquitted of any of the activity to the child. The jury said, not guilty towards the child. So for people asking that, oh, but she, you know, she called a child the N. 00:06:44 Speaker 7: Word, she was acquitted. 00:06:46 Speaker 2: She was acquitted of disorder the conduct. 00:06:48 Speaker 4: She was only convicted of the activity towards the streamer, the Somali TikTok streamer. 00:06:57 Speaker 5: Egregious. Egregious. But let's let the attorney do it. He he got very amped up. 00:07:01 Speaker 6: There's not many times where an attorney getting fired up is really great content, but it was this time. 00:07:05 Speaker 5: Let's play clip three. 00:07:07 Speaker 8: Let's make something clear here. 00:07:09 Speaker 2: Let's make something very clear. 00:07:11 Speaker 8: She's acquitted, not guilty, right, not guilty with the child. The state reads what a five minute victim impact statement about the child. 00:07:25 Speaker 3: She was acquitted about the child. 00:07:28 Speaker 8: She's convicted on the count involving the cameraman. Well, they never called to testify. 00:07:35 Speaker 2: Keep this in mind, they never called. 00:07:37 Speaker 8: The cameraman to testify. This judge prohibited us from telling the jury that Jamali shired. Jamali had a GoFundMe page three hundred and forty thousand dollars. He testified that it was done in May last year. 00:07:57 Speaker 2: Done. That's not true. 00:08:00 Speaker 8: There's a link on the bottom of the page that goes to another open account. My investigator hit the link last night donated ten dollars. It's open. You can donate right now. You can donate right now to shire Jimali's go fund page. 00:08:18 Speaker 2: Right now, it's open. He testified under oath and perjured himself. He perjured himself. 00:08:24 Speaker 9: Over and over and over and over again. 00:08:27 Speaker 6: I think we well, we need to shut down is the state of Minnesota because it's fact. This is every detail story, every detail of the story is basically in Minnesota. The number one I think Minnesota must generated in any state for thought crime stuff. 00:08:44 Speaker 4: Before we get too outraged, I just want to again, I want to try to do this explain, explain the situation, so we can clearly explain. 00:08:51 Speaker 2: Why we're so outraged. 00:08:53 Speaker 4: He's a she is acquitted for any of the activity towards the child. She's convicted of the activity towards the TikTok streamer, who, by the way, was screaming at her while filming her. And she doesn't she doesn't threaten him, she doesn't advance on him. She's actually walking away, she's holding her child in her arms while she's walking away, and he is the one clearly clearly provoking her. And that is like, to me, it just seems so crazy because like you could you could almost see if the charge went the other way. I could maybe see some people's you know, I could see some people's reaction being the way that it was like, well, you did that to a kid. But she was acquitted for the activity towards the kid. She was completely acquitted. So that to me number one on its phase. I don't think we should be charging people for speech. That's that's first and foremost. But second, the de verdict itself makes no sense. Sorry, so please let's outrage away. 00:10:01 Speaker 9: Yeah, I agree. 00:10:03 Speaker 10: I agree this this culture that we're in right now, where the no no words has just it's gotten out a hand and we're now seeing it with multiple things. 00:10:15 Speaker 4: But it's not just no no words because he says the word and he was not. 00:10:19 Speaker 2: Charged at all. 00:10:21 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean what it really is is that actually, if you want to get into it, it's like it's practically like feudal hierarchy of privilege. It's sort of like in feudal Japan, a samurai could carry a katana around, but a peasant could not carry a katana around. 00:10:34 Speaker 7: And so these certain bad words they're they're they're the katana. 00:10:39 Speaker 2: White. 00:10:39 Speaker 4: You're a second class citizen if you're white. And that's why I said that it's anti white, because this is a law or a rule right that applies to the white race in a way that it applies differently to other races. And that's not what we do in this country. That's just not what we're supposed. 00:10:56 Speaker 2: To be about. 00:10:56 Speaker 4: We're supposed to be colorblind, and we're supposed to be everyone is treated the same by the same standard. So you can't have one standard for one race and one standard for another race. It just doesn't track. 00:11:07 Speaker 7: Yeah, whikey, I mean they're Yeah, I mean the left is the one that tells us that simultaneously we need to be color blind and then also see color. And then whenever a white person, you know, does see color or kind of use just the common denominator of you know, mentioning things, crime rates, things like that, all of a sudden, they're the evil person. But like what you brought up earlier, you can do the most egregious, disgusting, debaucherous thing in the United States as a leftist and then say that you are innocent, blame it on the white person, and all of a sudden have millions of dollars raised for you and it go fundme account. And I just think that that, like it's scary more so just for the future of our country that like we actually have people that are completely blinded, Like not just we have it on our side too, but there's a million of people that genuinely think that this guy is innocent, that that this woman is insane, that like it's crazy, but it goes beyond that, Like there's people that murder people and they're the ones that that are innocent, and the people that were murdered are the ones that are guilty. 00:12:18 Speaker 4: There are how much money did Carmelo Anthony Rays. 00:12:23 Speaker 6: Of thousands, although possibly over MILLI yeah, I so check that out, see if you can find it. 00:12:30 Speaker 5: But what I will say is I actually feel, in. 00:12:33 Speaker 6: A weird way, this is a this is a white pill moment, uh in that, yes, she got charged with a crime that I don't think you would have seen much in the past. But the reason you would have seen this before is you didn't have TikTok streamers as a profession. You didn't have everyone going around with a camera and immediately videotaping everyone all the time. I think if you did, I think you actually would have seen a ton of this in the two thousands, in the Bush years, in the Obama years, it actually would have been pretty common to see attempts at. 00:12:58 Speaker 5: That sort of thing. 00:12:59 Speaker 6: What stands out to me about this case is that, like, let's be frank, her behavior was not very great. You shouldn't probably yell the N word at a child, I'll be frank, and but that people were still able to maintain their composure and say that doesn't matter. What matters is they charge her for a crime. Basically because of her race and sex. They wanted to go get a Becky, get a Karen and they charged her with a what is essentially a thought crime, what a speech crime, that this is unconstitutional and we should oppose it, even if we would say you shouldn't do that sort of behavior, period, And people pretty quickly aligned that way. And I think that is a change from where we would have been even five or six years ago. You guys probably remember twenty twenty and how overwrought people would get about systemic racism and everything else. And we are at the point where we have learned to stand up against bullying in that vein and say that this is unacceptable behavior. 00:13:54 Speaker 5: And in this case, we lost at trial, and. 00:13:58 Speaker 6: There's going to need to be an appeal, and it might not even and the way we want it to, but we've finally gotten people to the point where they understand what we're supposed to believe, what we're supposed to argue, that freedom of speech includes the right to say mean things in an argument in public, and we can push back on this. I think that is a good change. It's a sort of change certainly that Charlie fought for. 00:14:18 Speaker 9: Yeah, I agree. 00:14:20 Speaker 6: So that's my white pill take on what is you know, not a very fun story overall, well, it's. 00:14:24 Speaker 2: Like it's like this is this is the one that's going to produce the backlash. 00:14:28 Speaker 4: This is the one that hopefully we come back and we say, you know, just as a group of people know you, you can't. And by the way, she get a ninety days suspend it sentence, So she does anything to violate the terms of her probation, she can go to jail. 00:14:40 Speaker 2: She can actually go to jail for saying a word. And I don't want to live in that country. 00:14:45 Speaker 4: And so what I would say to the folks and good people and you know, fans of the program who who wrote in with the question, I would say, look, you know, I get where you're coming from. And I do think that obviously the behavior on all sides was rude. And by the way, she did not the one who started that. Shallow Hendrix did not start that situation at all, and would be very clear about that to everyone. And at the same time, though, I don't want to live in a country where in the UK, right where I just came back from that thirteen thousand people a year are arrested for speech crimes. Yeah, thirteen thousand. Do you guys know it was that high? 00:15:23 Speaker 3: No, I didn't even know this thirteen thousand. 00:15:25 Speaker 4: It's thirteen thousand, and some of these it's just like fine, I should say, some of them are find like it's not a full arrest, but like you can be fine finds and everything else. I met with Lucy Connolly, and if you guys remember Lucy Connolly, her story was she had made that post after the Southampton stabbings when three little girls were hacked to death at a Taylor Swift like dance party thing and just little girls were just hacked to death by this Muslim migrant. And you know, she made a post just saying, you know, we got to get them all, we gotta get them all out here, and. 00:16:02 Speaker 2: You know, you know, maybe included some stuff about the hotels where they live as well. 00:16:07 Speaker 4: And she was locked up. She got a three year sentence for that. I don't think you starved the full three years. But she was locked up and put in Jawn. And she's a mother and I met her and she's a sweet lady. And again that was a Facebook post. That was a post that you know she was. 00:16:23 Speaker 2: You know, could it be moderated, could it be you know, taken down? Whatever? You know that those are all things we can talk about. 00:16:30 Speaker 4: But the idea of which which I also don't stand for it, by the way, but the idea that you would put someone behind bars for speech, it just runs against everything, everything that we have fought for as a country, for the First Amendment. And by the way, the First Amendment is about tolerating political speech that you don't like. That's actually what the word tolerance means. You don't tolerate things that you like, you tolerate things that you don't like. Right, and so even though tolerance is not a Christian virtue, but it's a whole different discussion that the idea being for freedom of speech. It's about speech you disagree with. It's about speech that you disagree with. And guys, you know, I'm sure we can all say this that we saw in the wake of Charlie's murder. 00:17:13 Speaker 2: We saw horrific things stated online. 00:17:17 Speaker 4: And in person and about our friend, and people face certainly face consequences for that. But I don't recall a single one of us ever saying something like, oh, that person should be in jail for that post, because it's just not who we are. 00:17:32 Speaker 7: No one's it's a good point check, all right. 00:17:37 Speaker 2: I've been thinking about this. 00:17:39 Speaker 6: I love it, yes, lovely, all right, So we actually had a related thought that one of the things I stood out is that she would get she's getting prosecuted for this, in part because we live in the modern panopticon. 00:17:49 Speaker 5: There's always people. 00:17:50 Speaker 6: Everyone has a cell phone, has a camera, has a video recorder, and they're happy to pull it out and start recording whenever anything happens. 00:17:58 Speaker 7: Basically, but we're in recent moving towards. 00:18:01 Speaker 6: The reality where everywhere is being recorded at all times. Gentlemen, it's time to debate flock cameras. We actually got a question about this during the AMA last week, but Jack wasn't on the AMA, so we're going to revisit it. Also, you guys weren't on the AM. You should join sometime. And so it's time to revisit flock cameras. Everyone here knows what flock cameras are, right for those who don't who are listening cameras, I think we should always try to explain things we're doing. We're doing so, yeah, so flock cameras. They are a startup company, a tech related startup company. They make cameras, and okay, we've had surveillance cameras forever. What's different about these is it's the fusion of camera technology with as you'd expect AI technology, the ability to read things on their own, collect and assemble data on their own. And so what Flock cameras are able to do, for example, is that are able to log every license plate that comes by on a street and then put it into a database what license plates went along this street on this day, and put it into gigantic spreadsheets so that law enforcement can go back and look at them later. The limiting factor on close circuit television or any other security footage always used to be you had to actually go back and watch the footage if you wanted to get anything out of it, and they usually deleted it, especially back. 00:19:22 Speaker 5: In the day it was on tapes. 00:19:23 Speaker 6: They would just use the same tapes, so you couldn't go back and look at something. Six months later. We are now at the point and they're rolling this out in cities where, oh, the cops decide that they have a suspect, maybe there's a vehicle they're interested in. They can go Flock, which is a private company, and say tell us everything about this car, this model, this license plate, and they can tell you everywhere that car is driven in the past six months, the past year, possibly. Ever, once there's been enough data and it's all going to be compiled, they'll know it's patterns of movement throughout the city. What are days where it wasn't driving where it would normally be driving. Just vast amounts of information all coming from from this tech company and being saved by this tech company and being shared with the government, and so people are losing their minds and they've decided that their form of I think modern slavery is what some people have said. 00:20:13 Speaker 11: Yea. 00:20:14 Speaker 6: Other people are flipping out and they are destroying the cameras. We may have people who destroy the cameras go on trial and then are just acquitted because people say, yeah, smash those cameras, that's really cool. So how do we feel. Are we pro flock camera or are we anti? 00:20:31 Speaker 9: I'm very anti flock. 00:20:32 Speaker 6: You're anti flock. You're breaking away from the flock, It's exactly true. 00:20:37 Speaker 9: Yeah, No, I think they're flocking this way. 00:20:40 Speaker 10: I think flock cameras are another version of, essentially the what we saw with Prism, where the government was able to access a lot of data without being able to with essentially no jurisdiction on what they had to do with it. They could do whatever they wanted with it. And when we look at even the bid era, when we look at Instagram, Facebook, all of these companies gave the government a backdoor and we're able to censor anybody. So it's like, yes, Flock is a private company, but how do we know that the government doesn't have a backdoor that they can just use this data for whatever they want. Yeah, and then at what point and what type of what type of mass casualty event or what type of mass casualty event is going to happen where all of a sudden, the government goes, actually, we're going to take control of this. So that's that's where my that's where my brain goes when it comes to this kind of stuff. And that's where I am very anti flock. 00:21:52 Speaker 12: I want to talk to you about an issue so many Americans face, and that's health insurance. There's an organization I really really appreciate called Christian Healthcare Ministries CHM is a faith based alternative to health insurance. And this is real stuff, folks, like you've gotta listen. 00:22:10 Speaker 3: In with CHM. 00:22:12 Speaker 12: You're not paying into a company's profit margin. You're investing in a community with less overhead than the competition. You get reliable support through the giving and prayer of fellow members. 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Are you pro flock one? 00:23:12 Speaker 2: Pro flock for blue cities? 00:23:14 Speaker 5: For blue cities? 00:23:15 Speaker 2: All right? 00:23:16 Speaker 7: Build this out, build this out for us. 00:23:18 Speaker 2: Well, they deserve it. They deserve it. 00:23:20 Speaker 6: They just like, like, are we declared the city Philadelphia city Philadelphia right here totally deserves slock cameras everywhere these You got to understand, Sorry. 00:23:31 Speaker 7: That's a slippery slope, though, have you had one about seen have you seen how bad the crime is in these cities that's down the slope already there's red sure. 00:23:45 Speaker 6: So that was my thought is people point out, yeah, it can help with crime in bad cities, but the easiest way to help with crime in these bad cities would be to enforce the laws and prosecute people. Like the problem in Philadelphia. The problem in Philadelphia is not that they cannot catch criminals. The problem in Philadelphia is that they have a DA who affirmatively is pro crime, who actively fire as effective prosecutors people who are obviously guilter. 00:24:09 Speaker 4: But but again, it's it's going to be something where it's another tool that that is needed to be able to fight the crime. And and possibly by the way, there are for example, one of the issues with Larry Kramer that you just brought up there, excuse me, Larry Krasner. Larry, Larry Kramer is a different guy, Larry Krasner. I think Larry Kramer is the guy named the guy in the in the Bonfire of the Vanities, which I've always said they're kind of similar, and that Krasner was just slapped down by the Pennsylvania City Supreme Court and said that all of his rulings because they've been so just blatantly riddled with false he's a source DA and with like falsities and mistruths, that now all of his decisions need to be secondarily viewed by the Attorney General of Pennsylvania, who happens to be a Republican. And so there are ways in you know, in a state like that, where you've got Republicans, say at the state level that can actually overview these things and say like, Okay. 00:25:12 Speaker 2: Well this is obviously a lie. And I know it's a lie because I can see the footage on the flock camera. Yeah, I mean I can, so it could be a check on the DA. 00:25:21 Speaker 7: I am pro flock camera in concept, you're pro general even in Janet. Okay, well hold on, let me explain this a little bit. I'm pro in that if it were to achieve its objective, which like picture for a second, somebody robs a bank and then they immediately hit a freeway they're running away, Like flock cameras can find them instantaneously. Somebody commits a murder, they found the car, they know who it belongs to, they run the plates, they can find them. They know where he's going, they know what direction he was headed in, you know somebody whatever. It is like you can crack down on crime really really fast. And it's actually not like it's not easy for like law enforcement to crack down on stuff really fast. I mean they have like twenty tips that immediately come in and then they have to verify all twenty while simultaneously like taking evidence from the crime scene and also like running DNA and all these things, and so to like remove different situations and have it cut down like that is good in concept, however, like powerful tools in the hands of bad and evil men. Like throughout the years, even Charlie's stance like on the death penalty had changed from pro anti Remember asking him like why at one point, why were you anti? And he was like, well, I'm pro and the fact that it's a good thing, I'm anti and the fact that evil men can use it for evil purposes, and so like flock cameras think like January sixth. Right, I'm anti because under the Biden administration they were like finding these people. 00:26:50 Speaker 3: They could have found all of them. 00:26:51 Speaker 7: Like some of these people probably are like fine now because they waited the four years and then President Trump parton in them, right, but they could have found all of them and very fast too. They also in the future of flock cameras is they're not just going to run license plates, They're going to run facial recognition too. 00:27:09 Speaker 3: I mean, they're doing this, but they did they but they did. 00:27:11 Speaker 2: Have surveillance at the. 00:27:12 Speaker 4: At the capitol and they used uh famously used geo fencing. 00:27:16 Speaker 3: So I mean like that, but that's it. 00:27:17 Speaker 4: They didn't they didn't have flock cameras like they already had cameras there. 00:27:21 Speaker 7: But then if flock cameras are all over the US once they left d C and the government had to find them fast, but if they moved with their parents' house, if they are at a cabin wherever they were, like I truthfully, Jack, like I know somebody that was. 00:27:33 Speaker 4: No they they did like they but id people like Alaska and stuff. 00:27:39 Speaker 7: Okay, I'm saying though I know people that were at you know, January sixth. 00:27:43 Speaker 2: And were at the COUI. 00:27:45 Speaker 7: They were not like in the Capitol, and they were not found in the four years of the Biden administration. 00:27:50 Speaker 3: And now they're like. 00:27:51 Speaker 7: Does that does that mean they and so like I am pro flock camera and that I wanted to do what it's objective is I'm anti in that it's going to collect all this data on people. It's going to be easier for them to find, you know, people under an evil regime. And then also like I think during COVID, like when churches were shut down and like businesses were shut down, like there are some turning point employees that were showing up to work when they weren't allowed to, and like who's to say that flock cameras or like this state of Arizona where it's going to track Charlie's car and be like you were going to work. 00:28:25 Speaker 5: That's the exact thing I was thinking of. 00:28:27 Speaker 3: Is like you were hosting home church. 00:28:29 Speaker 6: I'm imagining, Yeah, I'm imagining COVID And they could say, yeah, we found all these cars are going to this specific spot. Like you could just unleash the AI and say, find us examples where all these cars are going in the same direction. Even if there's no business there, and then they say, yeah, yeah, here was your home church yep. Or or even let's remember, for example, to buy an administration. They had their fascination with traditional Latin mass as a vector for terrorism. Now imagine they go, well, let's find every car that drives to this place that's doing a Latin mess within the window where the. 00:29:00 Speaker 7: Latin mass is offered. Bam, they every person goes to the service. 00:29:04 Speaker 2: And I don't. 00:29:05 Speaker 4: I don't just I don't disagree with anything you guys are saying, but but I do also just I just I don't think you can put the tooth based back in the tube. 00:29:14 Speaker 13: Uh. 00:29:15 Speaker 2: The Chinese Communist Party, the n k v D, the the the STAZZI. Uh. 00:29:20 Speaker 4: There have been regimes that did things like this far before technology evil is. 00:29:25 Speaker 7: But now it's we're talking about like squeezing before before we continue on this debate, we should we Actually, you know, Kyrie sent us a donation. 00:29:34 Speaker 6: I'd never heard of flock until the A M A. Please explain these things. Let's put up the map. 00:29:38 Speaker 5: We have eight. 00:29:39 Speaker 6: This is all the Flock cameras in the US. Throw that up number eight. So this is already how many of them. 00:29:47 Speaker 3: We have crazy. 00:29:49 Speaker 5: This is not a demo in a few cities. 00:29:50 Speaker 7: There are already basically everywhere. 00:29:52 Speaker 6: I will note everywhere except the Dakota's the Dakota the land of freedom for us. And then now let's go let's a mint a bit. Let's do Maricopa County number nine. And so this is the Phoenix area. You can see, they're all along the major roads of Phoenix. And let's doom even further. This is the vicinity of TPUSA, sort of in South Phoenix. 00:30:15 Speaker 5: So this is even a few blocks. You can see. 00:30:18 Speaker 6: We have a ton of flock cameras right outside that strip club that's by the Interstate and the mall and the mall, and you say on the mall, but no, the biggest cluster is the strip club. 00:30:28 Speaker 5: The biggest cluster is that strip club. 00:30:30 Speaker 7: Yeah, but Jack, actually I am I agree with you, like I do like flock cameras. I want them in blue cities. I also want like under the Trump administration, we could use flock cameras to track down every single illegal like migrants. 00:30:45 Speaker 3: But like every bad one, every single one, like whatever. 00:30:48 Speaker 7: However, we wanted to do it because we have certain data points that we can use and like that is super useful. 00:30:54 Speaker 3: I'm just I am. 00:30:55 Speaker 7: It gets me scared though when I think of like COVID and when I think of January sixth, of course, like the toothpaste is coming out of the tube flock cameras like for lack of a better analogy, like it just squeezes it up faster we already have by. 00:31:09 Speaker 9: The way, go ahead, Jack No. 00:31:12 Speaker 4: I was gonna say though, like like in in beyond that, right you already like go back to Chylo Hendrix, Right, she's on video because a guy was standing there and started filming her. So I mean this mass surveillance. Even if the flock cameras were all gone, you're always going to be around someone who's got a cell phone next to you, right, Totally, It's just always going to happen. And this idea is Scott Adams's talk about this that like privacy is going to be one of those things that as more like like like I was born with a certain level of privacy that Mikey was not born with and and soon to be a father, right uh you know, congrats by the way, thank you, Eric, Except what you guys, what are you are you having said? 00:31:55 Speaker 2: To do date publicly. 00:31:56 Speaker 4: It's soon though, right any day now, any day, Yeah, go to say it, like it's like we're like in the you're in the like you might have to run in the middle of the show, which beater and that's that's awesome, celebrate, celebrate our blessings. But but point being is that you're your child is gonna be born with even less privacy than you were. And and it's it's so Scott Iams just point out that, like it's it's just going to go away. But what I would say though, is and this is like sort of my general pushback is that you know, the idea of whether or not these. 00:32:25 Speaker 2: Tools are used for good or for. 00:32:27 Speaker 4: Evil isn't because of the tool. It's because of who's in charge of the government. And this is where I think the libertarian argument fails, because you're always going to find someone who can be in charge of the government. 00:32:39 Speaker 2: You can't just like get away with it. 00:32:41 Speaker 4: So the only thing the only way to respond is to take over the government. 00:32:45 Speaker 9: For sure, I totally agree. 00:32:48 Speaker 10: I would say it is kind of a defeatist mindset to say, oh, there's already too much toothpaste out of the bottle. So we're just gonna push all the rest of the toothpape. 00:33:00 Speaker 7: No, no, I'm saying flock cameras because it is just pragmatic. 00:33:03 Speaker 9: Yeah, no, exactly. But that's to the point, like, like you. 00:33:06 Speaker 10: Said, January sixth, we already have enough mass surveillance at this point that those people were being found wherever they went home to So let me ask you a question. To me, it's like, why would we want to just continue, like continue that trend? 00:33:22 Speaker 7: Okay, yeah, let me ask you a question. Yeah, life is all about pros and cons for sure. Yeah, and then you you oftentimes have to trade privacy for your security. Right if you're somebody that needs security guards because your geat threats all the time twenty four to seven, your privacy is gone. 00:33:35 Speaker 3: You have somebody in the car with you, when you. 00:33:37 Speaker 7: Go to the bathroom, they're standing outside like they're gonna hear your fart noises whatever. It is, like, your privacy's gone. You're uncomfortable, but at least you're secure. And so, like my question to you is like do the pros outweigh the cons, and that every day criminals are gonna get caught much faster illegal migrants could be caught much faster. Bank robbers can be caught much faster murderers on the small chance that the con is during COVID during January sixth, and that's usually That's my problem, I know, but I don't think I had the answer, And so my question is what do the pros outweigh the contents. 00:34:08 Speaker 6: My problem is is I feel the risk of as we'd say at anarchotyranny is higher because I feel we already know where in that like, are we even bothering to prosecute the criminals we already catch with our current tech? 00:34:21 Speaker 5: And the answer in so many blue cities is no. 00:34:23 Speaker 6: We saw, for example, Arena Zaruska stabbed to death by a guy arrested repeatedly, never put behind bars. 00:34:29 Speaker 9: Nope. 00:34:29 Speaker 5: We've had multiple murders in. 00:34:30 Speaker 6: Fairfax County where there's one that really bothered me earlier this year. I can't recall the name, but it was an individual from abroad. I think he was from Senegal and he is repeatedly arrested for stabbing random people. And we have the email where the police send it to Steve Discano, the Commonwealth Attorney for Fairfax, and say can you please convict this guy and stop releasing him because he keeps randomly stabbing people. And of course he was released anyway and randomly stabbed someone to death. Now that he's finally murdered someone, I guess he'll go to prison. But that's what we're facing is we already have the ability to arrest more criminals than our progressive governing class is actually willing to put in prison long enough to keep us safe. And that means adding all of these flock cameras. The chief purpose of them is not going to be to catch those criminals because they don't care. It's going to be to skin more tax cattle. Oh, let's find more people that we can find. Let's find more people who will be those as as Tom Wolf said, the Great White Defendants, you know, the people they really want to be prosecuting. 00:35:39 Speaker 2: So that's what I feel. 00:35:40 Speaker 4: Can I give I'm gonna I'm gonna commit like a really really big thought crime. 00:35:45 Speaker 6: Uh oh, well you're not in Minnesota right now, Jack, Right, No, No, I'm not. 00:35:53 Speaker 2: So this is so we've talked about, and so Blake, we've talked in. 00:36:00 Speaker 4: Obviously, we've had Steve Sailor on the shows and talked about how the deaths of exuberance, particularly in cities with large black populations, have dramatically increased, not just in terms of murders, but also in terms of vehicular vehicular fatalities in twenty twenty right, Yeah, of course, but have you noticed that, for example, in the city of Baltimore, the city of Baltimore actually has seen a reduction in homicides. 00:36:33 Speaker 7: Yeap, Baltimore is incredibly say, Baltimore is ahead of the curve. 00:36:36 Speaker 4: Because of their new Yeah, because of their new program where where basically what they're doing is they're just they're they're they're they're bucking the trend and they're saying, Okay, we're just gonna reach the arrest the most violent offenders and keep them in jail. 00:36:50 Speaker 2: And they call it. I pulled it up. 00:36:51 Speaker 4: It's called focused deterrence and an approach known as the Group Violence Reduction Strategy. It started in January twenty twenty two, and it's specifically focused on the high violence Western Police District and later expanded citywide. 00:37:06 Speaker 2: And by the way, we could go through and. 00:37:08 Speaker 4: Like talk about all the specifics of it, but it's just policing. It's literally just they've changed the mentality and said, we're just going to keep the people who are committing the crimes locked up. 00:37:18 Speaker 5: And this is sadly the tragedy. 00:37:19 Speaker 6: This is the big cycle because this is what the fourth time we've been through that it's actually a safe society. And then going why do we have all these punitive things. They're putting these people in jail for so long. We could be more effective if we if we focus on rehabilitation. 00:37:33 Speaker 2: Do they have community Jack Baltimore, I'm talking about Baltimore. I don't know if they have. 00:37:42 Speaker 4: I don't know if they have flock, but like, well, I mean that looks like it was every flipping city in the US had flock cameras. 00:37:50 Speaker 7: I'm like, I'm seeing some flocksters there. 00:37:54 Speaker 4: So they have they have automated Okay, so they have they have a different system, but it's similar to flock. 00:38:01 Speaker 2: It's automated vehicle tracking technology. 00:38:03 Speaker 10: Well okay, so but to that point, like to your point, they have something called clear instead of flock, instead of this mass surveillance. Right, it's the what you just said. 00:38:17 Speaker 9: The the system is we need just policing. We just need policing. 00:38:25 Speaker 2: And it's like they do. 00:38:26 Speaker 4: Use a flock system that it's it's called it's called clear, it's just a different So. 00:38:31 Speaker 10: But then the other the other side to that also is that there are enough private companies that they have surveillance. Like look at perfect example, look at the Tyler Robinson case. We have footage from VU, we have footage from different places that are private entities that they have security. Turning Point has security. So we have there's all. There's enough, in my opinion, there's enough buildings companies, you know, in cities that have private uh surveillance that you can be able to find people when something goes on. 00:39:15 Speaker 2: So are you against competition? 00:39:17 Speaker 10: I just I just don't. I think the problem that I what I think is that with I think this is just like looking at the editor really well, no, Here's what I'm saying is like looking at the heat map, it's taking over the United State. It's we're getting more and more flock cameras in the United States now. 00:39:34 Speaker 4: And wait, actually do we know do we know if that's a heat map of all flock safety or is that a heat map of like all like police cameras. 00:39:44 Speaker 10: It is def uh it's from dflockmaps dot org. 00:39:49 Speaker 4: Yeah, because like yeah, Like I'm looking it up right now, and it is saying that Baltimore does not use flock. And yet I'm looking at the map and it pretty sure it looks like Baltimore's the I can see, like, yeah, you could see DC, Baltimore and Philly. 00:40:06 Speaker 3: What's going on there? 00:40:08 Speaker 4: So I think I think that's probably just a list of a map of all cameras. 00:40:11 Speaker 5: Actually, so flu like they're saying a l p R. 00:40:14 Speaker 6: So I think it's the AI supported cameras and there might be several companies that do. 00:40:18 Speaker 7: That cameras that that state's a little too blue to not have more cameras, you know what I'm saying. 00:40:26 Speaker 4: No, but it's that's a population map though, that's that's just a map of all that's all the Portland's got them, it's just everywhere else. 00:40:32 Speaker 10: I just think we need up policing and everybody needs to conceal carry and we'll be okay. 00:40:39 Speaker 5: One last point before we move on. 00:40:41 Speaker 6: I do think it's funny since we brought up Baltimore that in that annoying show The Wire that everyone had to say was the best show ever made for about a five year period. Uh, there's a subplot where they are improved the city. 00:40:52 Speaker 2: Are you crapping on the wire right now? 00:40:54 Speaker 6: Yes, I am, I'm crapping on the wire. There's a subplot where they improve the city with Hamsterdam where they just legalized drugs and certain area and yea lowers crime dramatically, And I'm getting to kick that. That's what happened in that dumb lib show. And then in real life, Baltimore is leading the way by lowering crime by just grabbing all the cl Amsterdam. 00:41:11 Speaker 2: Is a huge it's it's a huge Uh what are you talking about. It was a huge disaster in the show. 00:41:15 Speaker 6: Well, it's a huge disaster because everyone's like hooked on drugs and stuff. But I believe the actual lowering. They portray it as lowering crime when they legalize drugs in Amsterdam. 00:41:23 Speaker 2: I mean they you know, they they well they claimed that it did. 00:41:25 Speaker 4: Yeah, and then and then in I think that was season three, and then in season four they you know, they do have like a low crime area, but it was pretty bad and and one other end, and if you want to get in a real thought crime, it's because the people of Baltimore are actually a little bit different from the people of Amsterdam. As it turns out, and that's why the drug policy there does not work the same way it does in Amsterdam. 00:41:50 Speaker 8: Right. 00:41:50 Speaker 6: Well, I can't be a full expert on that because I'm only going secondhand, because I never watched the Wire, because. 00:41:55 Speaker 5: I don't watch TV. 00:41:57 Speaker 7: Your brain that watch TV. 00:42:02 Speaker 5: I don't watch TV. 00:42:03 Speaker 2: You never saw it. 00:42:04 Speaker 5: I watched like one show. 00:42:05 Speaker 2: Actually, I watched The Odyssey, all right. 00:42:08 Speaker 4: I sat through all three frickin hours of that, which I did not do it three hours, but you sat through all three hours. 00:42:14 Speaker 5: Did even multiply it at like two times speed? 00:42:16 Speaker 3: No? 00:42:16 Speaker 2: No, no, I did not. I watched it at all. 00:42:18 Speaker 4: I I kind of alternated between I went I went three x during the scenes, and then I went down to like two point two point seven during the during this the speaking scenes. 00:42:34 Speaker 12: Hi, folks, Andrew Colvett here, I'd like to tell you about my friends over at why Refy. You've probably been hearing me talk about Why REFI for some time now. We are all in with these guys. If you or someone you know is struggling with private student loan debt, take my advice and give them a call. Maybe you're behind on your payments, maybe you're even in default. You don't have to live in this nightmare anymore. Why ref I will provide you a cuss some payment based on your ability to pay. They tailor each loan individually. They can save you thousands of dollars and you can get your life back. We go to campuses all over American and we see student after student who's drowning in private student loan debt. Many of them don't even know how much they owe. 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And sure, specifically because a rude house guest had a very funny thing happened to him when he realized I won't say it's a very funny thing that happened. 00:44:21 Speaker 4: Ever, Boil thousands of years to. 00:44:27 Speaker 3: Actually I did read this twice and I didn't like. 00:44:31 Speaker 7: Really you didn't like reading the Odyssey. I didn't remember a lot of it until I was it depends on what, and then I was like, wait, the lotus flower. There's supposed to be way more about that, Like there's they're missing that. 00:44:45 Speaker 10: I mean I read, Yeah, I read The Odyssey in high school a couple of times and I still don't remember it. But again, it's one of those it's some of those books that you when you read in high school, you're like, I understand, I remember like parts of this, but. 00:44:56 Speaker 6: Yeah, overall, I'm fine. I'm like glad I saw The Odyssey. I'm glad they made the movie. And like, what's weird is we had all the hype that it was going to be a LIB movie and instead like it was like bad, We're just that Christopher Nolan, I think, sort of messed up what he decided to focus on, and not for a LIB reason, just for Christopher Nolan Moore's story yeah, Like I think like there's just like some not good writing in it. And the problem he could have even made the He could have even made that movie that he wanted to make. 00:45:25 Speaker 7: Where he subverts what the Odyssey. 00:45:28 Speaker 6: Is about and makes it more negative, makes it more we're destroying civilization and that's bad. He could have done that if he had written it better. But instead we straight up ep scenes. There is a scene in the Odyssey if you haven't seen it, where Odysseus goes to his wife and says, yeah, we're sailing off to Troy, and you know, Agamemnon says. 00:45:45 Speaker 3: It's but we're actually doing it. 00:45:47 Speaker 6: He's actually doing it for socioeconomic reasons. He wants to seize the trade routes bro Is this like. 00:45:54 Speaker 7: My ap ap world history Bronze It sounds like what laughter would say. Even if you wanted says do it for that, you should say it like a Memnon. He wants to capture where you know, every ship that bears spices goes by Troy, and he wants to have all of the weal from that, Like you can say it in a more cool Bronze age way instead of he's doing it for modern English yeah, in modern English it says he could about the trade roots and socioeconomic factors. 00:46:20 Speaker 4: It's so like Wikipedia when he's speaking like that, Like there isn't even anything in the Odyssey that says anything about that at all. 00:46:31 Speaker 7: And wait, actually I had a question for you. Yes, I cannot remember in the book. Is there is that scene where he's throwing the puppies off the cliff? Is that in the book? Because I do not remember that? And why did Christopher Nolan decide to add a scene I'm a guy throwing puppies off a cliff and then make such a big portion of the movie about like Zeus's law, you must. 00:46:53 Speaker 3: Take care of the baker when they come into your home. 00:46:55 Speaker 7: That scene when you have to take care of that, like throwing what about the puppies? Very watching that, I did a double take and thought, did I did I see? Is he just throwing those puppies off the cliff? And it took until everyone else mentioned it that to realize that that was happening. So yes, if you guys haven't seen the Odyssey, I'm gonna was that the guy played by. 00:47:17 Speaker 3: Okay, I was like, why did Christopher that seem one hard? 00:47:21 Speaker 6: That was one of the most Robert Eggers scenes you could do. Just yeah, they would totally do that in ancient times. Just puppies, dude, they chucked babies off cliffs if they want them. That would more than No, that's like all of Greek civilization would do that. 00:47:34 Speaker 5: That's the story of It's more in the movie. 00:47:38 Speaker 7: It was in Odyssey. They threw a baby off a cliff. It's in the movie. Remember Agamemnon. Oh yeah, did they have as he threw and that's. 00:47:46 Speaker 2: Why wife was I thought I thought he stabbed her. 00:47:48 Speaker 5: No, that's mix up things. Or did they throw remember. 00:47:54 Speaker 3: He like walked to the like the the ocean on the cliff. 00:47:58 Speaker 2: The ocean, Yeah he was, Yeah, it was the ocean. That's right. That's right. 00:48:02 Speaker 6: Yeah, I thought he I thought he or whatever. But that's that's so that's a specific sacrifice they did. But also just in ancient times they would do that exposure stuff. It was not it was a bleak time. We need a Christianity to invent. 00:48:13 Speaker 2: Not because she was a that was like for victory in battle. That wasn't because she was a run. 00:48:20 Speaker 7: All right, So it was because it was because I'm glad we did that someone wanted us start to give our thoughts about the Odyssey, So I'm glad we did. 00:48:28 Speaker 5: I really want to hit this, Wait. 00:48:29 Speaker 4: Can I I just want other line about Odyssey, just to get it off that. 00:48:33 Speaker 2: I think that the whole thing was. 00:48:34 Speaker 4: Just a rip off of the hurt Locker, and I think, no, think about it. 00:48:40 Speaker 6: Whoa no, no, revoke that revoke that. 00:48:44 Speaker 5: I think. 00:48:44 Speaker 6: I think he's got a point there. It's been a while since I saw the hurt Locker. I watch the h I think I saw it when it was literally in theaters, but I think that kind of was I remember that scene where the hurt Locker guy goes like he comes home from the war and he goes, our our age of American Empire is collapsing, Isn't that? 00:49:04 Speaker 4: That's It's literally like if you go watch that movie, that the tone and the and the pacing and the way that it's just like Matt Dave and then no, that's not Matt Dame and Matt Damon was in Green Zone, which came out around the same time, so I kind of in my head think of them as very similar. But it was like it was it's like he's just so he's brooding and he's like obviously dealing with PTSD and it's like it's like just another Vietnam. 00:49:28 Speaker 2: Movie, Iraq movie. 00:49:30 Speaker 4: But now it's like it's like the boomers just making another Vietnam movie. 00:49:34 Speaker 2: Like that's really all it was. 00:49:36 Speaker 3: Was there a giant cyclops in that one? I can't remember. 00:49:38 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes it was. It was. He was named Saddam Musin. 00:49:43 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. 00:49:43 Speaker 4: Actually dad was the cyclops and he's racked gilt. 00:49:48 Speaker 3: No, no, the cyclops was the son of Saddam Muse. 00:49:51 Speaker 6: And they wheeled and they wheeled a giant goat up to the border of Iraq. 00:49:55 Speaker 3: And he makes me. 00:49:57 Speaker 5: Different. 00:49:58 Speaker 3: How that hell cyclo make the milk? 00:50:02 Speaker 5: How did he make the milk a little bit different? 00:50:08 Speaker 3: You know? 00:50:08 Speaker 7: How did he his hands were so big? How did he milk the sheep to make cheese? Think about it? Think about the movie. They Okay, listen, okay. Odysseus walks into the cave and he's like and he's like, oh, cheese delicious. Okay the bag of cheese is this bit. 00:50:27 Speaker 2: You just squeeze under his sheep. You just squeezed the whole. 00:50:32 Speaker 3: The hands of the cyclops, the size of this studio. 00:50:36 Speaker 2: How did he heed the whole sheep? He just picks it up and. 00:50:41 Speaker 3: He is like a dish rack. 00:50:42 Speaker 7: He wrings it out, sums up. 00:50:48 Speaker 3: I don't like the whole cheese sequence. 00:50:51 Speaker 2: Is Syclops is probably the best part of the film. 00:50:54 Speaker 5: I'm gonna keep thinking about this. 00:50:56 Speaker 3: Yeah, you think right. I left the theater. 00:50:58 Speaker 2: Everything with everything, everything was downhill from the cydclaps. Half the way was well, No, everything was absolutely terrible. 00:51:05 Speaker 9: Oh I've heard I've heard good or terrible. 00:51:08 Speaker 6: No, she was was fine again, they gave her bad line so at one point was but I had the resume I have Master. 00:51:21 Speaker 3: University. 00:51:22 Speaker 10: I actually love the fact that I have not seen this movie. 00:51:26 Speaker 3: Guys. I left the theater. 00:51:27 Speaker 7: I legitimately left theater because I saw it at like midnight, and I got out at three am. 00:51:33 Speaker 3: And then I walk out at three am, and I'm like, why did they throw the puppies? 00:51:36 Speaker 7: I don't how did he get the cheese out of the goats? 00:51:41 Speaker 9: And then anyways, that those are the only things that you were thinking about. 00:51:46 Speaker 7: You gotta make things okay whatever, All right, all right, all right, glad we got that. We need to talk about watches now. All right, So this watches, this. 00:51:59 Speaker 6: Is a fun topic. So this is Kevin O'Leary, famous rich person of America, co host of Shark Tank. 00:52:06 Speaker 3: Correct. 00:52:07 Speaker 5: Yes, so, and he's talking. 00:52:10 Speaker 6: He has a viral clip where he's on some he's uh talking and he's talking about a watch and how excited he was to obtain not merely a rolex, but I guess the there's like some rolex that's like the tri force of watches or something. 00:52:26 Speaker 5: Uh, let's do clip eleven. 00:52:28 Speaker 11: It is the grail piece of all watches. It is the white gold, ruby and diamond Daytona. Grown men weep just looking at pictures of this mystical beast? Does it exist? And I got on my knees and begged for it, begged, I said, could you consider just after all our relationship time together and I've been a great steward for the brand. I've never sold a rolex, talked about the importance of the brand. Isn't this the moment to consider if the mist, if the mystical beasts exists, that I would have it on my wrist and then back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. The morning here in La before the oscars, the phone rings They gave me an address and they said be there, and there it was. We opened the box. The entire rold Like staff had never seen it. All the dealers from around LA came to see it, and for an hour we looked at it. We didn't touch it. We just looked at it and. 00:53:34 Speaker 3: Said, it's real. It's real. 00:53:37 Speaker 9: Did you cry? I did? 00:53:38 Speaker 11: And I worried. I was. I was weeping. 00:53:41 Speaker 9: It was mine. 00:53:42 Speaker 2: I own it. 00:53:43 Speaker 11: I have that piece. Do you know how many people have that piece? Maybe nobody like it's it's not known that watch. Maybe it would trade if it traded for one point eight million dollars walking around with thirty. 00:54:01 Speaker 9: Uh, I don't. 00:54:05 Speaker 4: Yeah, this is why we're having a socialist revolution right now. 00:54:10 Speaker 5: That's what I want to talk about. It is like, this is going to go on viral. 00:54:13 Speaker 6: On the take has basically been are we going to have socialist is ma'am Donnie going to win because our rich Americans cannot help themselves. We're going on podcasts and talking about their extremely surreal love for a one point eight million dollar object to place upon their wrist, and how they craved it, how they connive for it, how they begged for it, how they sobbed upon seeing it. 00:54:39 Speaker 5: And I think a lot of people are. 00:54:40 Speaker 6: Gonna look at that and say, you know what wealth tax They're gonna say, They're gonna look at it and say wealth tax time you're taking your stuff? 00:54:46 Speaker 5: Yeah, And I kind of wonder if they're going to be right. 00:54:49 Speaker 10: It's very that's very you know, giant diamond chain. 00:54:58 Speaker 3: Asque it is. Yeah, it is very low. 00:55:03 Speaker 9: It feels low iq. 00:55:06 Speaker 5: It kind of does. 00:55:07 Speaker 2: It does right. 00:55:08 Speaker 5: I feel like we are getting I have nothing against it. 00:55:11 Speaker 10: It's like you get so rich that all of a sudden you start almost like acting poor, Like you start like you go so far one side that you almost like, well. 00:55:20 Speaker 5: So it's not like that. 00:55:21 Speaker 6: What I what I think it does show is I think we've had a shift of behavioral values with our rich people. And I think it actually reflects I think it reflects. Hear me out. This is my thought crime. Demographic change in America. That America used to have a ruling. 00:55:36 Speaker 7: Elite that was it was wasps. 00:55:39 Speaker 6: It was like Northern Europeans, and that came with it certain cultural behaviors and there was a lot of restraint, there was a lot of being private. It came with this whole noblest oblige, Like you don't really flaunt wealth in people's faces. You don't get too garish about things. And in most of the world that's not the norm. In large chunks of the world, wealth is something that if you possess it, you like offishly display it, you garishly display it. You get a gold plated car and a gold plated AK forty seven and they gold plated watch and why not, and you really. 00:56:16 Speaker 5: Rub it in your face, like that's the wrom. 00:56:18 Speaker 6: You go to Saudi Arabia and it's not gonna be a mystery who's rich, Whereas in America we have the cultural value of like, oh yeah, the billionaire who dresses like a farmer and drives around in a station. 00:56:28 Speaker 2: But even with what would you blake? Would you say? 00:56:29 Speaker 4: That's also kind of like kind of British in a way. I've just come I was in London, so I'm kind of thinking that, like you don't always no, I don't know talking about like the palaces. I just mean, like, you know, there's this sort of like when you said about the wasp culture of sort of not flaunting things. It's like a Protestant thing. Really, I would say like, you're probably matches Protestant. Yeah, like British, Like there was a whole thing when we were at Seapack, UK, there was a whole thing saying that. Like many of US American speakers that came up they said, wow, you know, I had some like BBC, you know, interview and they were like, they're like, do you think that you're mixing God in politics too much? And I was like mixing God in politics? 00:57:16 Speaker 2: Like what do you mean? 00:57:16 Speaker 4: Like that's just how we always talk in the US. And she's like, well, we don't do that in Britain. We never do that. That's considered like a personal belief that you just don't talk about publicly. And and there are a number of other people who said that to me, and I said, I and it kind of goes along with the lines of what you're saying that wealth religious beliefs, Like it's just like it's a general idea that being reserved is is considered more polite and more more well mannered as opposed. 00:57:44 Speaker 2: To you know, all of this. 00:57:47 Speaker 7: What's the most that you think is reasonable to spend on a watch? 00:57:52 Speaker 3: I don't think it matters. 00:57:53 Speaker 2: I Like, I'm not a watch guy. 00:57:55 Speaker 5: You're pro. 00:57:56 Speaker 6: You're pros Have you said sobbed over a watch? 00:58:01 Speaker 3: Mikey I. 00:58:03 Speaker 7: We simultaneously tell people you can make it in America and you can start a business and be successful and enjoy these luxuries, and then we're also saying you are now the reason socialism is coming, because you are buying expensive things and living luxurious because you have achieved so much and done such a great job in the world of business. And on top of that, like context is important, Like Kevin O'Leary, it's no different than somebody that's like super into cars or super into like shoes or whatever. It is, Like there are different luxury items that people obsess over, and there's so much about it, Like watches are actually very cool, like the way they work, the way that like they're they're built in all these things right, And so for Kevin O'Leary, like he actually wears two watches because he has his businesses are in Asia, so he has one watch that's set to his it's like Singapore, and then one that's set to like New York. And he loves watches, like his entire life is about watches. 00:59:01 Speaker 3: For the most part. 00:59:02 Speaker 7: He doesn't live a luxurious life, Like he lives in a condo in a high rise and like that's kind of his life. He drives nice cars, he wears nice suits, he's on Shark Tank. But not just that, he also invests in people that have visions, Like he is a guy that that there's young entrepreneurs and he's like, I want you to make it. I will invest, And like, a, why exactly are we supposed to punish him? 00:59:26 Speaker 3: Like, I get it. 00:59:27 Speaker 7: The rich are like getting richer, and they're like rubbing it in the face of people that like can't make it, you know, make the means to pay for rent or groceries for that matter. But I just don't think blaming it on Kevin O'Leary for the reason we have a climb in socialism is necessary and or good and. 00:59:46 Speaker 5: So that's the flip side, I think. 00:59:48 Speaker 2: But but that doesn't make it not true. 00:59:52 Speaker 4: And we did and the truth of the matter is we do have a K shaped economy and we've had one since two thousand and eight. And what is K shaped economy? That means the rich are getting rich, sure, and the poor are getting poor. And so it's like there's this they call it the I think we talked about here the silent recession where if you're under a certain if you're under a certain pay level, that income level, that you're just living in recession era recession era economics finances, And and then you've got a guy like Kevin O'Leary talking about buying a two million dollar watch, and you wonder why. You wonder why I'm on Dommy's popular. You wonder why DSA is like beating the crap out of Democrats all over the country and by the way, beating us in UH in general elections. 01:00:36 Speaker 2: It's because of crap. 01:00:37 Speaker 3: Like this, but that, But what's the solution, like what so then we need to do? What's the solution? 01:00:43 Speaker 4: The solution isuous, The solution is nationalist populism can actually do. 01:00:47 Speaker 7: What is the solution to getting Kevin O'Leary not to do that? Take it away from him, shame him, make sure that you can't post. 01:00:54 Speaker 2: On social media, absolutely, but he should actually be. 01:00:56 Speaker 7: Are capitalists like we are fundamentally pro I'm not spending their wealth how they want to spend their wealth. 01:01:03 Speaker 2: I don't. I don't think we should. 01:01:04 Speaker 4: I don't think we should center our our our our country around capital I think that's I think that's not Christian. 01:01:10 Speaker 10: I think it is in the same vein as I like, I hate listening to Hollywood actors talk about politics because you're not like it's your own personal thing. Quit telling me how to vote, or like the dude who plays Hulk trying to be a social justice warrior. I think it's just one of those things like Kevin O'Leary can absolutely love watches and I would. 01:01:37 Speaker 2: Love I Reacher. Didn't he just pop off? 01:01:41 Speaker 9: Yes, that same guy the. 01:01:44 Speaker 10: Talking about and all of this, all of this stuff. So I think it's that where it's like perfect example, like Kevin O'Leary talking about how much he loves a watch and how much he wants a specific watch. Dude, awesome cut there, like don't don't go on, don't like. 01:02:04 Speaker 3: Nature. He's the I think that's where he's a Hollywood guy. He's on TV all the time. 01:02:09 Speaker 7: It's like you don't think that he's like being funny when he's like grown men. 01:02:13 Speaker 10: No, no, no, that's fine. I don't have a problem with that. I don't have a problem with that. I have a problem with him then going it. If it goes on the market, it'd be like twelve million dollars. Like that's I think that's where you draw the line. It's like people can have hobbies, people can people can love expensive cars. If you want to go out of your way to figure out how expensive a car is that somebody. 01:02:35 Speaker 9: Owns, who can? 01:02:36 Speaker 12: Then good conversation is about respect. It's how we create a space where people are able to share their ideas and be heard. 01:02:45 Speaker 7: Charlie knew that Turning Points still knows. 01:02:47 Speaker 12: That, and TikTok has always strived to build the kind of place that thrives on respectful connection, where curiosity fuels connection and we can share what's on our minds and learn from each other. 01:02:57 Speaker 3: When ideas meet respect, good things happen. 01:03:00 Speaker 5: TikTok. 01:03:00 Speaker 12: You can find a mechanic explaining the why behind a problem most of us wouldn't even know how to name, or a father sharing a lifetime of knowledge with his viewers. Viewers who listen discuss, and then they respond. TikTok turns connection into community through small acts of understanding. You can feel it in the comments and the thank you from a stranger halfway across the world. TikTok is a place where respect opens the door for discussion, and discussion helps us build something real. 01:03:28 Speaker 7: I don't even know the question she asked him, Do you know the question, Angela? But if she asked him what's the most expensive? 01:03:34 Speaker 4: Can I go back to what Sola was what Blake was saying about nobles oblige? 01:03:38 Speaker 2: Is that or is that? 01:03:41 Speaker 4: The idea was that you give back that if you have so much, that you could perhaps give back. 01:03:48 Speaker 2: To your country. And so totally agree. 01:03:51 Speaker 4: It's it's Donald Trump building the Walman Ice rank or fixing the Walman Ice rank in New York City, right, It's yeah, he's got a bunch of money, but you've got. 01:03:59 Speaker 2: To do something for the little guy too. 01:04:01 Speaker 4: And with Kevin O'Leary, you know, I don't I don't see anything like that. I don't see Kevin O'Leary turn around and like, hey, we're gonna fix up the zoo or we're gonna do something around to benefit regular people. I see him just saying, hey, how can I spend more money when I have an opportunity to spend more money? And you know, meanwhile, like everything's closing, everything's getting run down, certainly in New York, certainly in California, and you know, he's he's not doing anything to give back, and so that's that's a huge part of the problem. And yes, if you look at the history of socialistic communist revolutions, it is behavior like this by the elites during a time when you have we currently call it a kshacked economy. 01:04:45 Speaker 3: You know, Kevin does that? 01:04:47 Speaker 2: Actually? 01:04:48 Speaker 6: No, that actually, actually I want to respond to that specifically about that. One thing I think that the billionaires suffer from is that the norm is now like you want to give back, so you give to some charit like a charitable foundation that's like relatively less legible. Yes, we need to bring back billionaires who give back with o fish, big public things. Musk comes out and says like, I want to give back, So I'm just going to build the new stadium like for this like first City, and then it'll be owned by the city and I'm just gonna pay for it and it'll be nice and pretty. 01:05:21 Speaker 2: Wrigley Field was built by the Wrigley family. 01:05:23 Speaker 5: Exactly, Yeah, exactly. 01:05:25 Speaker 6: You build stadiums, you build monuments, you build like you you're saying, I'm going to build a new skyscraper for my company and it's going to be awesome. Art Deco looking with all the sculpture that we can't have anymore, and I'm gonna spend on that, and it's just gonna be a big part of the public, and we're gonna rent it out to the public and it's gonna be part of your skyline and it's gonna look awesome. We need our billionaires to be building awesome stuff that you can look at. 01:05:48 Speaker 7: Is Trump not doing that though, with like the ballroom and then like the Arc de Triumph. 01:05:53 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like, so I actually like Trump's doing that, Like that is a great thing. 01:05:57 Speaker 9: So Zuzu Pedals has a great point. She's just donated. 01:06:00 Speaker 10: It's not it's not the watch, it's the obscene reaction to the watch. People will watch red carpets where people are covered in millions of dollars in jewels and contour. 01:06:11 Speaker 9: It's his reaction. I agree, Yeah, I do. Here's the thing, and that's where the first part that video of the. 01:06:18 Speaker 4: Red carpetices though are not A lot of those are are are not. 01:06:23 Speaker 9: They're rented. 01:06:24 Speaker 4: There a lot of it's either rented or like the designer, you know, sets it up as like advertiser for the designer. 01:06:31 Speaker 2: There's like all sorts of stuff like that. 01:06:32 Speaker 10: People can have hot for the record, people can have hobbies, people can have interests. I have no problem with Kevin O'Leary having interest in watches, but it's like I. 01:06:41 Speaker 2: Think it's cringe, so I think it's super coreat well. 01:06:44 Speaker 9: Okay, but but Jacks are like Jack, you. 01:06:46 Speaker 4: Don't watch Pokemon cards, watches or Pokemon cards for adults. 01:06:51 Speaker 5: Okay, somebody Jack, there's a fatal fly. 01:06:55 Speaker 2: Jack. 01:06:55 Speaker 6: The fatal fly with that is Pokemon cards, Pokemon cards for adults, saying year old millennials who are like looting their stores of the Pokemon card. 01:07:04 Speaker 3: I just remember, all right. 01:07:07 Speaker 5: Mikey story Mikey story. 01:07:09 Speaker 7: On Charlie's birthday a couple of years ago. Uh, we took to cook at a watch and he does not like watches. 01:07:18 Speaker 3: And the guy was like, amazing love Charlie, And I. 01:07:22 Speaker 7: Think you want to give Charlie like this amazing deal like almost like basically like free, like it was a deal, but he just didn't. And it was like a very nice protect Philip like very nice watch. And Charlie is like we sit down in the room and he like puts on this white glove. He like opens the box and he pulls out the watch and he's like here, Charliae grabs it with his greasy finger, and he's. 01:07:45 Speaker 3: Like, so what about this makes this expensive? 01:07:49 Speaker 7: Like I what? Why how much does this go for? Why does it go for that much? Why would I want this? Like this is such a small thing. And then the guy's like explaining how it's gone on value. It started at you know, it used to be this amount. Now it's you know, fifty x. And Charlie's like, because collectors, if I buy this, I will buy it and I will put it in my safe and I will never wear it and this will just be an investment. 01:08:16 Speaker 3: And the guy's like, no, it must be worn. And I was like, well, Charlie, like maybe you could wear this to like big events. 01:08:23 Speaker 7: He's like, nah, we walked out even a free watching didn't want so Jack, Charlie would mostly if he was here, you'd probably agree with you. 01:08:32 Speaker 4: Well, so the other thought I had, I've just never been a watch guy. The only watch I will tell you though, the and I don't wear anymore, but the only one see to watch. The only watch that I ever wore for a long time was my boot Camp watch. And that was a watch that I was I had this position in my boot camp unit where I was the only guy who got to wear a watch and among like other it was like one of the leadership member of the unit kind of things. And it just meant a lot to me that, you know, that with the watch that I went through boot camp with with like all my you know, boot camp buddies, and you know, I just wore that watch for a really long time and then my and then I kind of stopped wearing it because it's it's it was like really like rudimentary, and it didn't really look good with like suits and stuff. 01:09:21 Speaker 2: It just felt odd. 01:09:23 Speaker 4: And uh, you know, recently, my my son had been asking about wearing a watch, so I gave it to him. 01:09:29 Speaker 9: Nice. 01:09:30 Speaker 10: My fiance wants me to buy a watch because she's really tired of this garment. 01:09:34 Speaker 7: A final thought on this, we mentioned. 01:09:36 Speaker 9: Like you need to buy something better. 01:09:39 Speaker 6: We mentioned there's the case shaped economy diverging rich get richard poor get poor. Although what this actually stood out to me is the fact that Kevin O'Leary is so obsessed with the watches and this is a way to express his collecting impulse. It's something for him to blow money on. Frankly, is I think in a lot of ways, even if wealth amounts are diverging, I think lifestyles are converging a lot. And one thought I've had is it feels like this is a white pill to me. Is I've interacted with people who are far richer than I am, and as far as I can tell, their interests and how they prefer to spend most of their day when they're not. 01:10:15 Speaker 5: Working are pretty comparable to mine. 01:10:19 Speaker 6: Or it's even stuff I could be doing and choose not to because I don't like it, Like as an example, I've been stunned by the number of very wealthy people I know who watch a lot of television and like bad television in some cases, or just whatever's trendy. And then the amount who do Oh, they sit and they sit in group chats on their phone, and they like talk to other people they know and like, okay, you can also be in a group chat with your friends. 01:10:45 Speaker 2: And do you guys watch TV? 01:10:47 Speaker 3: Yes? 01:10:48 Speaker 5: I watch very little TV. 01:10:49 Speaker 3: Yeah, I do. 01:10:50 Speaker 5: You guys are all TV nuts? 01:10:51 Speaker 4: None of you, I'm not all of your sinners. I'll watch like Tanya, and I will sometimes like sit down and watch a sea and it will be like maybe like we watched one episode a night before bed or something, but like that would that that will genuinely, generally, other than like work, that will generally be the only time I ever sit down and like watch. 01:11:12 Speaker 7: But also I do watch TV and I do the same. But I think that's might change when the baby comes. I don't think you might watch more. My my brother in law, I. 01:11:23 Speaker 4: Watch more, you know, with babies, because you're gonna be up late at night. 01:11:26 Speaker 2: And yeah, you're gonna my brother in law than. 01:11:31 Speaker 3: Anybody in the comments. 01:11:34 Speaker 6: The dragon I have, I have not I have. My My brother in law watched every single EPISO watched. There are a thousand episodes. 01:11:41 Speaker 5: Of One Piece. 01:11:42 Speaker 6: I don't even know one pie, anime that has been running for about ten thousand years. 01:11:48 Speaker 3: I think Gallibeth Stucky is right. 01:11:49 Speaker 7: The anime causes like weird brain stuff, no science claim. 01:11:55 Speaker 2: I don't have a problem. I thought that was Matt Walsh said that maybe maybe I don't have a problem them with with anime in general. But the reason that I don't. 01:12:03 Speaker 4: Really watch it is just because of that, Like how do you start? There's like a million episodes of every season or every show rather, and and you're like and I'm like, oh, yeah, well this is like episode five thousand, and he's referring to something that happened in episode. 01:12:16 Speaker 3: Two attack of Titan. Everybody always tells me. 01:12:21 Speaker 6: I'm like, it's actually it isn't the opposite, Jack. Actually, most the thing is is not most animals are not that many episodes compared to US shows, where like we love to have twenty eight episode seasons and they run for a decade. The biggest thing is just a million of them ton and so like, oh have you seen have you seen Pizza Dynasty And it'll be this twenty eight episode anime about like a family trying to run a pizzeria in Tokyo. 01:12:46 Speaker 5: And then they're like, oh no, you need to. 01:12:48 Speaker 6: Go see Rice's Adventure and it's something it's a slice of lice, slice of life show that's about these girls. And actually, wait no, there actually is a real anime that's girls and boarding that's supposed to be like, there's a real anime that's about girls in boarding school where they're learning how to drive World War two tanks. And you're not considered an eligible bride unless you're a good tank commander. It's called Girls Owned Panzer, which is just girls in tank. Anyway, I'm sure. I'm sure Dylan in the chat is losing his mind over this, all right. 01:13:22 Speaker 4: I thought no, I thought, oh, yeah, Dylan is always trying to get Yeah is he in the chat? 01:13:26 Speaker 2: I wasn't looking. He's always trying to get me to watch stuff. 01:13:29 Speaker 6: Yeah, he's saying watch anime, mikey, Okay, Dylan. He says there are so many epic they have so many. 01:13:37 Speaker 2: I watched Death Note. I thought Death Note was great. 01:13:39 Speaker 6: I have seen Death Note. I watched Death Note that was in high school. It was okay, okay, I stand corrected by Dylan as well. It was, in fact Matt Walsh, that's. 01:13:47 Speaker 4: It, alrighty yeah, okay, No, I I thought Death notees. I mean, I think it's just a version of like animation style. Like I've seen some anime movies that I like a lot, and I think that's that's enough for me. 01:14:02 Speaker 2: What was the one Your name was pretty good? Uh? Who is the guy who made that? And he made a bunch of movies recently that I thought were pretty good. Yeah, it's just a style. 01:14:13 Speaker 6: I think the real thing is it is a thing that people will make their entire lifestyle is being and like with anything, I think that can wreck your personality to have it be consumed by one thing. And there's just a lot of them. That's pedals. O MG, you are having a baby. That is of course to Mikey, it is not to me. That is so exciting. Congratulations, prayers for healthy delivery. Thank you, Zuzu. I want to get our one last topic because I do think it is very fun. 01:14:41 Speaker 2: Related to other comment that just came in on on X. 01:14:45 Speaker 4: This is from the Wuhan clan and he wrote, he wrote, I'm only pro flock to the extent that the soul customer. 01:14:52 Speaker 2: Is ice using it to get illegals the flock out of here. 01:14:56 Speaker 6: I agreed, agreed, But you want to hit this because it does relate to whether others, specifically me, will have any babies, which is. 01:15:03 Speaker 7: The car test. All right, have you guys heard about this? 01:15:07 Speaker 6: Alright, we're gonna have to summarize this, so let's throw up number fourteen and let me bring it up here so that I can read it. 01:15:17 Speaker 5: One second. 01:15:19 Speaker 6: So this is a tweet someone made and it is this woman Blaine Anderson has an account dating by Blaine, and she posts an exchange between a woman and a guy she was potentially going to go on a debate on and I'm gonna read the exchange first date on or a date she was gonna go on a date with this guy and it says good morning, what time? Where is dinner tomorrow? And he goes, have you been to le mer? And she goes, I have none? It looks gorgeous, And then she says could you send me an uber for dinner tomorrow? And the guy responds, no, I won't on the way home, though, happy to pick a restaurant next to you, That's what he says. This exchange was then sent to this plain woman and she says single girlfriend in New York City had this text exchange with a hinge match. She is upset. In my opinion, she's entitled to whatever expectations of men she wants, but asking a stranger from the internet to send a car is cringey and she has no business being upset. If you won't, the guy's response is simultaneously fair, abrasive, and weird. Just say, how about I come to you if you'd still want the date or if you don't just say I don't think this is a fit. Hard not to stay stuck single if you interact like this and then as a follow up someone who may be joking or maybe not, I couldn't really tell. Mad's Campbell tweeted, every good man I've ever been on a date with has sent a car, usually black car. It's very weird to not send a car. And when you're dating, you should be on your boyfriend or husband's Uber account if you still use ubers. I don't see why this is controversial. 01:17:03 Speaker 9: I just love Mikey's size. This is but this is cringey, and this is dumb. 01:17:09 Speaker 3: It's also like they. 01:17:10 Speaker 7: Get upset if for dinner, you know, because it's like a feminist thing to get obsessed. So then these women I think, these women, I don't think. 01:17:17 Speaker 2: But it's a feminist thing. 01:17:18 Speaker 4: It's a feminist thing if you pay for dinner. But it's also a feminist thing if you don't pay for. 01:17:23 Speaker 2: The uber does that merch? 01:17:25 Speaker 5: Yeah, in fact, it's intriguing. 01:17:27 Speaker 6: I'm kind of wondering how Charlie reacts, because Charlie was very much man pays for the dinner, even on the first day he would probably. 01:17:34 Speaker 7: I mean, I don't put words, but I mean I guess like you pick him up, like pick him up. 01:17:41 Speaker 6: Okay, but we're in New York here, where we're imagining you don't have it's very likely neither of you have a car. 01:17:46 Speaker 5: Even if you're well off, you don't have a car. 01:17:48 Speaker 7: Meet him and walk up New York State cannot be safe for a woman alone. 01:17:53 Speaker 4: I think we should we should clarify so that this is New York City, right, right, So in New York that then chances are if she's saying like blah blah blah, uber, then chances are she probably doesn't have her own car. 01:18:08 Speaker 2: Right. 01:18:08 Speaker 4: So the geography I think changes the dynamics a little bit here as well, where you know, you know, I wouldn't want a girl, you know, taking the taking the subway in any city in the United States or or even London. 01:18:24 Speaker 2: I rode the tube a couple of times. It was awful. It was other than the speed, which. 01:18:28 Speaker 4: Was good, the actual experience of being on there was horrible, and I did not want my children to be there, on there for any second longer than we had to. But that being said, and the traffic was just worse so we would have taken us like way much longer to get to getywhere we actually ended up taking some river taxis, which which worked out pretty well. And so so if you're in New York City, I feel like, I feel like it's not. 01:18:54 Speaker 2: Unreasonable for her to ask for an uber. I really don't. 01:18:57 Speaker 6: I really like Angela who grew up in New York area and he said, uh, in the nineties, I paid for the cabs both ways because of safety. Otherwise it's like, what take the train, Yeah, that'll get the bird interested. 01:19:12 Speaker 2: No, but the. 01:19:14 Speaker 4: Taxi, Like, if she gets in the taxi and then gets out, you're paying for it when she gets there. 01:19:20 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's fair. 01:19:21 Speaker 2: I think. 01:19:25 Speaker 3: Jackie make about like New York. 01:19:27 Speaker 10: Here's the only thing is being here in Arizona. Obviously it's very different than New York, but I did. I would run into weird things where I was always the person that like would offer, hey, I could pick you up right. But I also understood again having. 01:19:47 Speaker 2: You know, to get him in the car hold on. 01:19:51 Speaker 9: But having little, very little interactions. 01:19:53 Speaker 10: Obviously it could like they could be like, ah, not really a fan. But at the same time I would always offer, like that was always a thing, like you always offer. 01:20:03 Speaker 2: I didn't want you to pick them up. 01:20:05 Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, especially if you're dating on the internet. 01:20:08 Speaker 9: Like I get it, like I understand it, but you have to offer. 01:20:11 Speaker 3: I hated that. She was like she wants a black car that one. 01:20:16 Speaker 7: Yeah, I just thought that, Zuzu said, I spent my twenties dating in New York and the gentleman did pay for your cab home after ten pm. But a black car service is ridiculous. 01:20:25 Speaker 3: Okay, okay, you guys, you've changed my mind. 01:20:28 Speaker 9: That's that's it. 01:20:29 Speaker 3: Only in New York here. 01:20:30 Speaker 8: Yeah. 01:20:31 Speaker 4: Oh wait, wait wait wait, actually, Mikey, I'll meet jab Way. 01:20:34 Speaker 2: I'll I'll meet Jabway on that. 01:20:38 Speaker 4: Because when I saw this on the topic list, this wasn't my my first thought. My first thought was it depends on girl. Are you worth black car service? 01:20:50 Speaker 2: Is this? Or is this just like it's true? 01:20:53 Speaker 4: Oh my god, some random like we're passing the time kind of date. So some girls, yeah, of course would be worth car service and some. 01:21:01 Speaker 2: Not so much. 01:21:02 Speaker 4: So I haven't looked. Do we do we have an image of the girl in question here? Do we have any of that information? Is if we're talking like if you're like, I'm sorry, but if you're like a six or below, like I'm not paying for a black car. Nope, no way, I'm not. I'm not paying for black car for that. Like that's like I'm like, but if you're a dime like Tanya Tay, then yeah, of course, like black car all day long. But she had her Now that being said, when Tanya and I started dating, she had her own car, and so like we just would just drive to meet up. 01:21:30 Speaker 6: Usually either part of the culture, part of what goes into this, but we also weren't in New York City, so it's it's it's part of part of what is going into this, frankly, is I think there's a lot of people burned because it is, frankly a known practice now that a lot of women will. 01:21:49 Speaker 7: Just go on dates to get like a free meal. 01:21:53 Speaker 4: Actually, and and by the way, if you're on hinge, right, so she's never met the guy before, he doesn't even know if she looks like what her pictures look like. So if this is the very first time they've ever met, he could be getting catfished, right. And if he's getting catfished, then why would you send an uber black, so so Mikey again, like this is where I meet you halfway where I'm saying, like, it actually depends because if you've you're maybe second date, maybe third day, but you've never met before or have you even have they done a face time? See that's by the way, guys, for guys out there, if you're on a dating app that you want to get around the catfish by facetiming, right, So you got to give him the FaceTime test before you meet up, because then you can say. 01:22:36 Speaker 2: Oh, well, let's let's let me get your digits. 01:22:37 Speaker 4: Get the digits and you say, okay, let's FaceTime and she says, no blocker. 01:22:41 Speaker 3: Just this is actually the best thing. 01:22:45 Speaker 9: This is the best thing. 01:22:46 Speaker 2: Digits, Instagram, whatever. 01:22:47 Speaker 3: We got to bring digits back. 01:22:50 Speaker 9: Amanda and I met on hinge. 01:22:52 Speaker 3: But it was so funny. 01:22:53 Speaker 9: Yes, but it was so funny because you send her but did you use it? 01:22:56 Speaker 13: No? 01:22:56 Speaker 3: No, no, no, So I was at did you know? I didn't? So literally no, So we. 01:23:02 Speaker 10: Matched and I was already at like one of the one of the country bars, and her location showed she was in Mesas, So she was like within like a fifteen minute like radius from where I was, and I literally said, hey, you should pull up, and she was like, all right, sounds good. 01:23:20 Speaker 9: And that's when we met nice. 01:23:22 Speaker 2: So I I she drove to wait wait, wait, wait, Russ, hold on. 01:23:25 Speaker 10: She drove to you, yes, but I had already drove to her side of town because I was in the area at the bar. 01:23:32 Speaker 2: No. No, but you're saying no, hold on, but. 01:23:34 Speaker 9: Yeah, she drove to me. 01:23:35 Speaker 4: You you were already there, correct before you match correct correct, and then she drove to you. 01:23:42 Speaker 2: Yep, and that's that's a green light, man, that's. 01:23:45 Speaker 5: A green Oh it was. 01:23:46 Speaker 9: It was a huge green light. 01:23:48 Speaker 4: That's a big that's a big old green light. Yeah, it was just not a red flag. But I know, so I would, actually I would. Actually I'm gonna side with the guy here. I'm actually gonna side with the guy here. And so saying no in in that situation, if they have not done the FaceTime test, if they have not had a date before, they've never met, they haven't even done the FaceTime test, then no, you do not get to demand any. 01:24:12 Speaker 2: Black Nope, that's true. You don't. 01:24:14 Speaker 9: I agree. I think the I get the idea with it being in New York. 01:24:19 Speaker 11: But. 01:24:22 Speaker 3: Hi, folks. 01:24:23 Speaker 12: Andrew Colvett here, I'd like to tell you about my friends over at why Refi. You've probably been hearing me talk about why Refi for some time. Now. We are all in with these guys. If you or someone you know is struggling with private student loan debt, take my advice and give them a call. Maybe you're behind on your payments, maybe you're even in default. 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My general point of view on dating is because of the whole some people are just taking out both partners. Both potential partners need skin in the game the very first state to make sure that they're not just purely wasting each other's time. 01:25:50 Speaker 5: That's usually trying to be. 01:25:51 Speaker 4: That's why, that's why, that's why you say, let's meet up for Let's meet up at a bookstore, Let's meet up for coffee, Let's meet up for a walk in a park. There's so many there's Let's go see sunset, there's a million different things you can. 01:26:02 Speaker 7: Let's go see Odyssey in seventy millimeters and see Cyclops, milk goes all. 01:26:09 Speaker 5: I can't see how Americe wouldn't come out of that. 01:26:11 Speaker 2: Wait, this is basically the only The only. 01:26:14 Speaker 4: Part of the Odyssey that I liked actually was the part where where he's tied to the to the mast and screaming, because that was basically me internally watching that movie. 01:26:25 Speaker 11: Oh no, putting. 01:26:29 Speaker 3: Wax in his ear. 01:26:32 Speaker 4: Yeah, I was trying to put the wax in my ear as I as I watched it, Like make it stop so bad? 01:26:38 Speaker 7: Yeah, all right, we have we're this is a real marathon thought crime. 01:26:42 Speaker 6: But we have one last topic that we do want to hit. Mike's very fired up about this one. Mikey, you're you've been around, You've been around some pastors and faith leaders and churches and communities. Who is Catherine Crik She is, She's in a She is an apostle. She's part of this like New Apostolic Reformation movement, which is like nar she uh. She used to let me just kind of tell the history of her. So she started out as an actress, like many many years ago. She ran a company called like cougars only have. 01:27:22 Speaker 7: You have you heard about this? Where she like helped people find cougars. And then she was an actress on like many TV shows. She like played a porn star on a TV show. She wasn't she just played one on She played one on TV. Uh, and then she you know, ended up becoming Christian right. People can have bad pass Yeah, from Christian right. She becomes a Christian, but her first thing in Christendom is she starts making like ed M Christian music music videos of like her dancing with like all this Christian techno music. And then during like COVID, she started churches outside and it was very small for like many many years. And somewhere along the way she meets this African pastor from Tanzania who like is very much so like Pentecostal, like Apostolic, you know, making you fall to the floor, speaking in tongues and together. He like gives her this. She she goes out to Tanzania. She's on the stage. Can somebody find this clip? She's on stage and the Tanzanian pastor gives her the apostle you know, the apostate like or this apostle anointing where he's like, yeah, this is it. Yeah, and then he proceeds to dunk a bottle of pasic water on her head, anointing her an apostle. So she's just she's now like an anointed apostle. She claims she's an apostle, and when asked on like multiple Q and a zoom calls why she's an apostle, she quoted, well, God gave me this anointing and then out out of it, I was gifted furniture, and I was gifted many things. And that's why I'm an apostle. And so it's like already a very weird origin story. But now she will do these. She she claims that she does healings right, and so she'll do these like mass healings. She like puts out videos of her doing healings. She'll like have church services where she'll line people up and she'll just kind of like blow in the microphone and like hit them with the Holy Spirit and the lea, let's. 01:29:34 Speaker 5: Do it, let's do it. We have we have some clips of this. Uh let's see what's the what's the best one here? 01:29:39 Speaker 7: How about uh oh, I don't know if we have an exorcism as a full clip. We got Berrol Okay, so yeah, and yeah, see like this doesn't even really do it just like she'll go down. 01:29:51 Speaker 3: She'll be like. 01:29:52 Speaker 7: And she'll like blow into the microphone. They'll like start shaking on the ground. She'll be like, you will fall down in three two, Yeah, you can see here, and like it's just it's it's also really bad in that she claims that her anointing needs to be refilled by by donations, and so like you must, so she'll be like what you know, the the anointing goes out and it must be fulfilled and refilled, and because I'm showing it, and so that's where she'll like ask for money. Right, So this is what's some of the stuff is what's been very very cult So we bring this up because it's been going viral. 01:30:30 Speaker 6: Let's do uh, let's do that again. Needing to refill through donations, Let's do that first twenty one. 01:30:39 Speaker 10: So now we need to sew specifically for his deliverance and speak this is for his deliverance, and a good amount. 01:30:48 Speaker 2: The anointing is working right now. You need to be open to God to renounce more things. 01:30:51 Speaker 9: And even when God puts on your heart to even sew is seeded right. 01:30:54 Speaker 7: Now online or something you know, like right now. 01:30:57 Speaker 2: This is what God wants you to do. 01:30:58 Speaker 7: Be open to. 01:30:59 Speaker 11: Renounce, and he's going to be free absoletely, I declare, and she's its name. 01:31:04 Speaker 6: For those who couldn't see, this woman who was being preached to sow seeds by donating online or something, had her child on the ground and he looks like he's about twelve or so, and he's like lashing out, like doing kind of airkicks and waving his arms around. I do not know if he was delivered. This is another thing though, This is what's also getting attention. This is her receiving birthday wishes from supporters Clip nineteen. 01:31:31 Speaker 13: I love you so much, Mama, Happy early birthday. It is such an honor to serve you. I honor you as your spiritual daughter. I love you, and you're my favorite. You're my favorite person. 01:31:51 Speaker 3: Happy birthday, Mama. 01:31:54 Speaker 13: I love you so much. I cherish this ministry so much. 01:31:58 Speaker 2: I love you so much. 01:32:00 Speaker 7: Thank you for laying down your life that we may live and be equipped and transformed. 01:32:04 Speaker 3: So I honor you. I love you so much. 01:32:08 Speaker 1: Happy birthday, God bless you. 01:32:14 Speaker 11: I love you. Happy birthday, God bless you. 01:32:17 Speaker 13: It's an honor to serve your Aposta, Catherine, and I love you so much. Happy birthday. 01:32:28 Speaker 6: What's actually bothering me here especially is this title of apostle. 01:32:31 Speaker 5: What's what's going on? 01:32:32 Speaker 7: Well, it's self appointed, like this doesn't even have to be like a debate about that. This is more that like she she is a self appointed Apostle one two. It's very weird and that like they call her mama, and then she calls the her like mentor the African Tanzanian guy, she calls him daddy, like she went on that stage when he's like pouring the water, She's like thank you, daddy, as he's like pooring. It's that's also it's just very weird, Like there's stuff that's weird about it. Also, like her saying that like she must be refilled, like it talks it almost references like a deficiency, and there is no deficiency in the Holy Spirit, Like you know, I just pulled this up. Ephesians thirteen through fourteen talks about this. Romans I think eight through nine talks about this just like they're believers are sealed with the Holy Spirit who guarantees eternal inheritance, and yet she's offering inheritance and that it must be refilled with it's it's it's it's all very odd. It's very weird and needs to be called out. I mean, we as Christians have a duty to police our own ranks, and we need to call this stuff out. And like the Bible warns about this all the time. Christ warned about this in Matthew false teachers and false prophets, and like you have to always be on the lookout. I found this girl that is a follower and goes. 01:33:52 Speaker 11: To the church. 01:33:53 Speaker 7: She's not big, like she has a thousand followers, and her her videos get like eighty likes, And I was like, I want to like put my self in her mind, like what does she think she genuinely believes this, and like she has she is a member of this church and she believes that she's an apostle and like all these things, and so I immediately just stopped and I'm like, Okay, who's my Catherine, like Crick, like. 01:34:15 Speaker 3: Who is my I have? 01:34:16 Speaker 7: There's something in our lives that we believe so firmly that must be true. It is true, and you give everything, you give your time, your energy, your money to it, and you don't stop to be like is this of God? 01:34:29 Speaker 3: Is this a good thing? 01:34:30 Speaker 7: And so like if you're watching this, you're probably cringing, You're like this is crazy. 01:34:34 Speaker 3: It is one. 01:34:35 Speaker 7: But I'll ask yourself, use this as an opportunity. Where in your life do you have something that you could could be totally false that you're like sowing so much energy being like that is the truth. 01:34:45 Speaker 3: That is the truth, that is the way. 01:34:47 Speaker 7: I am totally behind that, Like I'm putting all my legs in like. 01:34:51 Speaker 2: Two million dollar watches for example, or the Odyssey being good. 01:34:57 Speaker 3: Any other and just Christopher Nolan. 01:34:58 Speaker 4: And there are a lot of people who who commit idolatry of Christopher Nolan. 01:35:04 Speaker 9: Yeah, I think it comes down to idolatry. 01:35:06 Speaker 3: For sure, She's she's crazy. This is cult adjacent. This is cult adjacent for sure. 01:35:11 Speaker 7: A lot of tendencies here, but like this is not good for the Kingdom of Christ, and we have a duty to call this out. 01:35:20 Speaker 9: Yeah, it's a good match. 01:35:21 Speaker 2: I agree. I totally agree. I agree. Just I totally agree with this. 01:35:25 Speaker 4: This kind of reminds me of and and Mike. You probably remember when we had the last time I think you were here. We had that conversation about like like Christ's plaitation and we were talking about like putting Jesus on energy drinks and stuff. And I think for a lot of us, like where we came down on it was like it's sort of the problem is when you were using the actual image of Christ and putting that like just slapping that on your product and without anything other than like saying that Jesus wants you to buy this energy drink, you know, and in just a very over like again garish and gaudy kind of way, as opposed to like I think we talked about like in and out and they just kind of put like the Bible verse and the passage will be on like the bottom of your cup or whatever, or if you're putting stuff that is Christian but not like you know, just exploiting Jesus as like Jesus drink, you know. 01:36:21 Speaker 9: I think it comes down to and that. 01:36:23 Speaker 2: This is obviously exploitation. 01:36:25 Speaker 4: It's just obviously exploitation, and this is the kind of stuff that you will go to health for. It's without if you if you do this without repenting, you will go to hell. 01:36:32 Speaker 9: For this kind of stuff. 01:36:32 Speaker 10: I think this just is another case where we have to continue to like explore everything, like like double check everything with scripture, just like thes like what whoever, whoever you're listening to, whatever you're reading anything, go back and look for the scripture. Look look and hold up God's word as the magnifying glass to figure out what is true. And that's that's the biggest thing, and we the more and more that we're in just our culture today, it's just that's what we gotta do. 01:37:14 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. 01:37:17 Speaker 3: For sure? 01:37:18 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Rose, are you going to? Are you going to Invictus? 01:37:24 Speaker 9: I want to? I'm so you should pull through. I'm so down. 01:37:27 Speaker 3: Let's go. Yeah, you should come. 01:37:29 Speaker 9: Actually, I am going to. 01:37:29 Speaker 2: Spy so I usually listen to the shows, so I didn't. I didn't realize that that was going on. So what do you what do you end up doing? Does anyone? Does anyone know Invictus? 01:37:37 Speaker 5: It's like a state secret. 01:37:39 Speaker 7: Yeah, it's like I don't think the agenda is public yet. But it's going to be fun. 01:37:43 Speaker 2: Is this the is this the inaugural Men Summit? 01:37:46 Speaker 3: It's going to be epic. 01:37:47 Speaker 2: It's immense. 01:37:49 Speaker 7: We advertise it on the show eight six yep and the only it is. 01:37:55 Speaker 3: And it's very it's not a lot of people. 01:37:57 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's app you have to apply and it's so it's invitation only two applicants, and there's going to be participants. We're not going to be releasing the speaker list ahead of time. 01:38:08 Speaker 7: Uh, it's very clever. 01:38:10 Speaker 5: I must say. 01:38:11 Speaker 6: This is the point that they're very aware of the first the young men versus young women, and that young men want to do something that's maybe a little harder, that's a little more demanding, that isn't like just out front and public and everything. And I think they have a very interesting plan. Yep, but I don't know exactly what's going to be involved because I'm not part of the secret plan. 01:38:32 Speaker 3: Yeah, and uh, next time I see you, guys might have a baby. 01:38:36 Speaker 13: Yeah. 01:38:36 Speaker 3: Hey, I think Zuzu left a little message. 01:38:39 Speaker 2: Hey, hey, hey, you already have a baby. 01:38:42 Speaker 9: Yeah, that's so true. 01:38:44 Speaker 3: We are pro life up in this and we. 01:38:47 Speaker 4: We I know that, I know what you're saying, but but it's but it's true though. 01:38:51 Speaker 7: It's true that I will have it in my hands. 01:38:54 Speaker 2: That's mean you'll literally have. 01:38:57 Speaker 3: Well you hey, maybe maybe i'll bring him guy. 01:39:03 Speaker 5: Do you guys just have a baby guy attached to you? 01:39:05 Speaker 3: Yeah, we have a name. We have a name. But it's very invictis we're keeping it private. 01:39:10 Speaker 4: There is okay, good, So we'll like like like like kind of like what Charlie and Erica did, so like just like always private. 01:39:17 Speaker 2: You mean, we'll just private until you know. 01:39:19 Speaker 7: It's private, until until he's born, and then I'll tell you got it. 01:39:26 Speaker 2: It's Agamemnon Odysseus. Call him a O for sure, just. 01:39:39 Speaker 4: Go oh hey, O man, I love it. That's what we did with with with with a J because we we we we did Andre Joseph for our second and I was. 01:39:50 Speaker 2: Like, Andre, that's a mouthful. I'm calling it as just stuck. 01:39:54 Speaker 4: And now he's just very excited and I'll ask him like, do you want to do you want us to call you Andre? 01:39:59 Speaker 2: And he's like, but I'm AJ. 01:40:02 Speaker 3: I love it. 01:40:02 Speaker 6: I'm like, okay, so he's just AJ nice alrighty. I think that's a perfectly good high note to go out on. So everybody, thank you for joining us. We got through like. 01:40:12 Speaker 7: Hate topics tonight. 01:40:13 Speaker 5: That was a lot of fun. 01:40:14 Speaker 6: That was a last We'll make sure Mikey has fond memories when he's watching all seven hundred episodes of One Piece with his new. 01:40:20 Speaker 5: Baby while he does that. 01:40:22 Speaker 2: We hope that he and all of that was key good episode. 01:40:25 Speaker 6: Guys, keep committing thought crimes. 01:40:33 Speaker 7: For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to Charliekirk dot com.