The Stuff That Has To Be Said: Live Special with Andrew Wilson
The Charlie Kirk ShowAugust 20, 202601:44:1447.77 MB

The Stuff That Has To Be Said: Live Special with Andrew Wilson

Last week, Andrew Wilson went to Candace Owens's home for a three-hour debate. Now, he joins the show for a simulcast special where he takes questions on the debate, then responds with some questions of his own for Blake and Andrew. The show reveals the real contours of what Charlie thought of Candace, and describes an interesting threat Candace made in private just a few days after last year's shooting.

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- The Stuff That Has To Be Said: Live Special with Andrew Wilson
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0:01:17 --> 0:01:21 All right, we're back, everybody, the one hour special with
0:01:22 --> 0:01:26 the one, the Only Andrew Wilson. You might know him
0:01:26 --> 0:01:31 from Debate Fame after last week. Andrew, Welcome to the show.
0:01:31 --> 0:01:33 It's good to have you. I think we're doing some
0:01:33 --> 0:01:35 sort of simulcast. Hopefully the tech is working.
0:01:35 --> 0:01:36 It is it is.
0:01:36 --> 0:01:38 If I put it up on screen, though, it'll show
0:01:38 --> 0:01:42 the the like block that tells you how much time
0:01:42 --> 0:01:44 there is until break.
0:01:44 --> 0:01:46 Maybe our team can pull that down for you. If
0:01:46 --> 0:01:50 if that helps so well, well, well, well, well, I
0:01:50 --> 0:01:53 have been looking forward to having you on. You are,
0:01:53 --> 0:01:57 of course, are our horse that we've been riding into
0:01:57 --> 0:02:00 this if you believe the rumors. I think that's where
0:02:00 --> 0:02:04 I want to start here, Andrew, maybe just as the
0:02:04 --> 0:02:06 because and I think just so for the audience knows
0:02:07 --> 0:02:09 we're going to ask you questions at the first part
0:02:09 --> 0:02:10 of this hour, and then you get to ask us
0:02:10 --> 0:02:12 some because you were you agreed to do this if
0:02:12 --> 0:02:15 you got to ask us questions as well. And I said, okay, sure,
0:02:15 --> 0:02:16 we're an open book.
0:02:17 --> 0:02:20 Which because we were negotiating for this. Yeah, it starts
0:02:20 --> 0:02:20 with part one.
0:02:20 --> 0:02:23 I'm a little upset we didn't get paid for for
0:02:24 --> 0:02:27 having this interview, but that's fine. We have to take
0:02:27 --> 0:02:29 it and stride. So, Andrew, why don't we just start there?
0:02:30 --> 0:02:30 Why don't you as.
0:02:30 --> 0:02:34 Seven the seven thousands in the mail? Exactly?
0:02:38 --> 0:02:40 Yeah, well, you know, according to Cantas, I have a
0:02:40 --> 0:02:43 much higher price tag than that. So let's start here.
0:02:43 --> 0:02:46 What is your relationship with uh turning.
0:02:46 --> 0:02:50 Point, I went down and did some help with a
0:02:50 --> 0:02:53 debate course. That was That's the entirety of a relationship
0:02:53 --> 0:02:54 as far as I'm aware.
0:02:55 --> 0:02:57 Yeah, and that was the one time I've met you.
0:02:57 --> 0:02:59 You were on campus, you were teaching some debaters. I
0:03:00 --> 0:03:04 thought you were very nice, uh much much to my
0:03:04 --> 0:03:07 surprise based on your public persona at times. I'm kidding,
0:03:07 --> 0:03:10 I actually think I actually really appreciate the way that
0:03:10 --> 0:03:12 you kind of handle your business. But I haven't known you.
0:03:12 --> 0:03:14 It's not like a thing that that you know. We
0:03:14 --> 0:03:17 know Andrew Wilson really well. Like, as far as I know,
0:03:17 --> 0:03:20 you said some things that weren't exactly super positive and
0:03:20 --> 0:03:24 nice about us, but you have been on a a doggedge.
0:03:24 --> 0:03:26 I was mosing on. In my defense, I was mostly
0:03:26 --> 0:03:30 mean to Blake. Okay, in my defense, I was mostly.
0:03:30 --> 0:03:33 Mean to Blake, same here and that not.
0:03:33 --> 0:03:35 Yeah, so I mean if if, if I can make
0:03:35 --> 0:03:36 a defense for myself, but anyway, we.
0:03:37 --> 0:03:40 Well hopefully we could be sitting there gun like. I
0:03:40 --> 0:03:41 don't even know what he's referring to.
0:03:41 --> 0:03:43 But what yeah, what did you say about Blake?
0:03:44 --> 0:03:46 I don't I don't remember. I was doing I know
0:03:46 --> 0:03:46 what it was.
0:03:47 --> 0:03:48 Under the bridge.
0:03:48 --> 0:03:49 I was doing a review.
0:03:51 --> 0:03:54 It was this was a while ago after Charlie Head
0:03:55 --> 0:03:58 passed away, and during the review, I said, one of
0:03:59 --> 0:04:02 the problems I think with the show is that these
0:04:02 --> 0:04:05 guys are just too nice, Like they're really nice guys, right.
0:04:05 --> 0:04:07 I actually was pointing this out.
0:04:07 --> 0:04:11 And then one, yeah, there's a misread on.
0:04:14 --> 0:04:14 Well.
0:04:14 --> 0:04:16 I thought that it was going to get pretty brutal
0:04:17 --> 0:04:19 because the left was out in force and they were
0:04:19 --> 0:04:23 weaponizing everything that they possibly could against the legacy of
0:04:23 --> 0:04:26 Charlie Kirk. He had become a martyr overnight to the
0:04:27 --> 0:04:29 entirety of the right, and he was everybody's martyr. It
0:04:29 --> 0:04:32 didn't matter, seemingly if you were a person who hated
0:04:32 --> 0:04:36 him or didn't hate him. Suddenly he hit martyred him status.
0:04:36 --> 0:04:38 And so I think one of the critiques I was
0:04:38 --> 0:04:41 doing a video on and it wasn't It wasn't particularly bad,
0:04:41 --> 0:04:43 by the way, And I've always said that I thought
0:04:43 --> 0:04:45 tp USA was more of a force for good than
0:04:45 --> 0:04:48 it was for bad. But one of the criticisms was,
0:04:49 --> 0:04:51 I don't know if these guys know what's coming for them,
0:04:51 --> 0:04:54 you know, like I don't know if they know what's it,
0:04:55 --> 0:04:59 what's what's going to be coming their way? Because I
0:04:59 --> 0:05:01 knew that the left was mobilizing.
0:05:01 --> 0:05:01 I knew it.
0:05:02 --> 0:05:04 So let's get into that in a bit. But I
0:05:04 --> 0:05:06 want to start with the debate because this is the
0:05:06 --> 0:05:08 way again, it's structured. I have so many questions for
0:05:08 --> 0:05:11 you about how you conducted the debate. I saw that
0:05:11 --> 0:05:14 you gave yourself a score of like seven out of ten.
0:05:15 --> 0:05:17 I'm just I'm genuinely curious, and you gave her a
0:05:17 --> 0:05:19 score of three out of ten or seven point five.
0:05:19 --> 0:05:20 I forget what it was exactly.
0:05:21 --> 0:05:23 Well, if I could take the lead on this, just.
0:05:25 --> 0:05:29 What were your immediate feelings getting in that room, engaging
0:05:29 --> 0:05:32 with her directly in person like that?
0:05:32 --> 0:05:34 For I believe the first.
0:05:34 --> 0:05:36 Time, same same I was gonna ask them the same question.
0:05:36 --> 0:05:37 I'm just gonna be really blunt with you guys. I
0:05:37 --> 0:05:40 thought that she was actually quite stupid. I was shocked.
0:05:40 --> 0:05:42 I was actually quite stunned. I didn't think that she
0:05:42 --> 0:05:46 was a very smart person at all. I had good
0:05:46 --> 0:05:50 reason to believe that going in, But I didn't think
0:05:50 --> 0:05:54 that she was a particularly good interlock at her. She
0:05:54 --> 0:05:57 never made any points at all. She would just kind
0:05:57 --> 0:06:00 of ramble. It was just kind of incoherent babble and
0:06:00 --> 0:06:02 ramble in any time I would get to the point
0:06:02 --> 0:06:05 or make her address an actual point, she would go
0:06:05 --> 0:06:09 back to rambling and coherently. She didn't understand what inductive
0:06:09 --> 0:06:12 reasoning was. I even spelled it out in a very
0:06:12 --> 0:06:17 very simplistic way. Inductive reasoning would be like if then
0:06:17 --> 0:06:21 and or so, if I'm if I'm twenty minutes away
0:06:22 --> 0:06:26 from my job, you know, and I'm supposed to be
0:06:26 --> 0:06:30 there in five minutes, then I can assume I'm going
0:06:30 --> 0:06:32 to be late, right. That would be an inductive, an
0:06:32 --> 0:06:37 inductively reasoned out position. When I explained that to her
0:06:37 --> 0:06:39 and then asked her to give me her induction for
0:06:40 --> 0:06:44 how we get to Israel, TPUSA, France and all these
0:06:44 --> 0:06:47 other people who are involved in the conspiracy to murder
0:06:47 --> 0:06:52 Kirk she actually didn't even understand what I was asking her. Yea,
0:06:52 --> 0:06:54 And so you know, from from my perspective, it was
0:06:55 --> 0:06:57 that was the toughest part of the debate, was that
0:06:57 --> 0:07:00 she actually didn't even understand half of what I was saying.
0:07:00 --> 0:07:02 Explain that actually, because you do a ton of these
0:07:02 --> 0:07:06 debates and it's is it sort of like one of
0:07:06 --> 0:07:08 those things. I have a good friend who's a professional
0:07:08 --> 0:07:11 tennis player. He said, it's really hard to play against
0:07:11 --> 0:07:14 bad tennis players because you can't actually serve and volley
0:07:14 --> 0:07:16 like you're like you've been training for years to do.
0:07:16 --> 0:07:19 You Actually, it gets easier if the quality of the opponent.
0:07:19 --> 0:07:22 You're anticipating where a pro would hit it back.
0:07:22 --> 0:07:24 Yeah, they just hit some other Yeah, exactly. Is it
0:07:24 --> 0:07:27 kind of like that where the person aside across from
0:07:27 --> 0:07:30 you is not even keeping up with the basic blocking
0:07:30 --> 0:07:32 and tackling of a debate, It gets it's almost more
0:07:32 --> 0:07:33 challenging for you in that way.
0:07:34 --> 0:07:37 Well, here, I'll actually I'll demonstrate it for you. So
0:07:38 --> 0:07:41 you just asked me a pointed question. What your pointed
0:07:41 --> 0:07:44 question was, is, hey, Andrew, if somebody doesn't know what
0:07:44 --> 0:07:46 they're doing on the other side of this thing, does
0:07:46 --> 0:07:48 it actually make it more difficult to do this thing
0:07:48 --> 0:07:51 right now? I could just say well, yes, of course,
0:07:51 --> 0:07:54 and then we would move on with the conversation. But
0:07:54 --> 0:07:58 if I was going to be candas Owens, I would say, well,
0:07:58 --> 0:08:01 what we're talking about here is how I feel about
0:08:01 --> 0:08:03 how I feel about the various things that I'm talking
0:08:04 --> 0:08:06 about when it comes to debate. And you say that
0:08:06 --> 0:08:09 I'm not a very skilled interlocketor but we have evidence
0:08:10 --> 0:08:11 of me being a skilled interlockator.
0:08:11 --> 0:08:12 You can look back at all.
0:08:12 --> 0:08:16 The times that I've done interlocketing with other people, and
0:08:16 --> 0:08:18 I think that we can all see what's going on here,
0:08:19 --> 0:08:21 so you see it like you see how that doesn't
0:08:21 --> 0:08:28 that's completely unhelpful to moving a conversation on or getting
0:08:28 --> 0:08:31 to the point of a conversation because it's just incoherent rambling.
0:08:31 --> 0:08:34 And so what my whole job there was, and I
0:08:34 --> 0:08:36 knew that that was what it was going to end
0:08:36 --> 0:08:40 up being, was to make sure that I could get
0:08:40 --> 0:08:43 her to, with her words, make those claims, and then
0:08:44 --> 0:08:46 I knew she would. And the reason I knew this
0:08:46 --> 0:08:49 is we'd had a like pre debate summit. I guess
0:08:49 --> 0:08:52 you could say with Patrick Bett David where I talked
0:08:52 --> 0:08:55 with her briefly, and she was a prattle machine, Like
0:08:55 --> 0:08:57 I would just be very pointed and say, well, actually,
0:08:57 --> 0:09:01 this is probably the better idea because AB's very quick
0:09:01 --> 0:09:04 thirty seconds and she would prattle for like three minutes
0:09:04 --> 0:09:08 straight about just nonsense. And so I knew going in
0:09:08 --> 0:09:10 that that was likely what it was going to be.
0:09:11 --> 0:09:14 And so my jobs somewhat shifted in that debate from
0:09:15 --> 0:09:17 the idea that I could just kind of inquire towards
0:09:17 --> 0:09:20 those positions to get good faith answers to she was
0:09:20 --> 0:09:22 going to have to let her prattle and then point
0:09:22 --> 0:09:25 out the inconsistencies, and that's exactly what I did.
0:09:26 --> 0:09:27 Yeah, and I've heard you describe it as sort of
0:09:27 --> 0:09:30 operation letter speak kind of thing, because I guess your
0:09:31 --> 0:09:34 strategy was that she was going to sort of concede
0:09:34 --> 0:09:36 debate points all on her own and you didn't necessarily
0:09:36 --> 0:09:37 have to do too much work.
0:09:37 --> 0:09:37 Pright.
0:09:38 --> 0:09:39 That happened I did.
0:09:40 --> 0:09:43 She walked back every single claim she made and had
0:09:43 --> 0:09:46 no evidence whatsoever for any of the things she was saying. Now,
0:09:46 --> 0:09:50 I knew that she wouldn't because I had been looking
0:09:50 --> 0:09:54 through kind of the body and catalog of the alternative evidence,
0:09:54 --> 0:09:56 and you know what I found out, there isn't any.
0:09:57 --> 0:10:02 So if you're a very skilled debater, the first thing
0:10:02 --> 0:10:05 that you do always is you move to falsify your
0:10:05 --> 0:10:10 position first. You always move to falsify your position. So
0:10:10 --> 0:10:12 the idea there is, if I'm going to defend a
0:10:12 --> 0:10:15 thing that I believe, the thing that makes me so
0:10:15 --> 0:10:17 good at defending it is because I know it's true,
0:10:17 --> 0:10:21 because I've tried to falsify it and I can't. These
0:10:21 --> 0:10:23 people never did that. They never attempted to falsify any
0:10:23 --> 0:10:27 of their own positions right, or falsify any of their
0:10:27 --> 0:10:30 own evidence, And so the holes in it are just
0:10:31 --> 0:10:33 miles wide. It make absolutely no sense, and so the
0:10:34 --> 0:10:37 inferences don't make any sense. They get blocked immediately. You say,
0:10:37 --> 0:10:42 well I think that Israel killed Charlie Kirk. You go, okay, well,
0:10:42 --> 0:10:44 why well, because we have a text message where he
0:10:44 --> 0:10:45 said that I may leave.
0:10:45 --> 0:10:46 The pro Israel cause.
0:10:47 --> 0:10:50 Okay, I understand that, but how does that actually lead
0:10:50 --> 0:10:55 towards Israel killing Charlie Kirk. Answer nothing, There's no answer, right,
0:10:55 --> 0:10:57 it just leads nowhere. These are all so they're never
0:10:57 --> 0:11:01 attempting to falsify the claims right that should lead to
0:11:01 --> 0:11:03 the next claim, to the next claim, to the next claim,
0:11:03 --> 0:11:06 until we get to the claim of no Israel kill
0:11:06 --> 0:11:08 Charlie Kirk or France killed Charlie Kirk, and we never
0:11:08 --> 0:11:10 get to any of that. It just stops immediately.
0:11:11 --> 0:11:14 Well, it just fees stopped it Field and you can't
0:11:14 --> 0:11:15 tell me how to how to think and all this
0:11:15 --> 0:11:18 stuff which is right, and you said, I'm not telling
0:11:18 --> 0:11:20 you how to think. Yeah, it was interesting. So I
0:11:21 --> 0:11:23 predicted that this debate, that you were gonna win it
0:11:24 --> 0:11:26 because the truth is on your side, right, And as
0:11:26 --> 0:11:30 somebody who's lived this first hand, I know all the
0:11:30 --> 0:11:34 garbage when they when they continually drone on about this stuff,
0:11:34 --> 0:11:36 and how many lies are continually laced in and just
0:11:36 --> 0:11:39 repeated ad nauseum so that the Internet begins to believe them.
0:11:40 --> 0:11:42 So I knew that. But I knew also that she
0:11:42 --> 0:11:47 has a bigger following, bigger followers on YouTube whatever, So
0:11:47 --> 0:11:49 I knew that immediately there was gonna be this rush
0:11:49 --> 0:11:52 to say who won, who, who won? But I predicted this.
0:11:52 --> 0:11:56 I said, this will age really well because what I
0:11:56 --> 0:12:00 was watching is that she conceded the whole debate very
0:12:00 --> 0:12:03 early on multiple times at every different point in juncture,
0:12:03 --> 0:12:06 she kept conceding the point walking things back, and that
0:12:07 --> 0:12:10 as the commentariat kind of comes in that has, you know,
0:12:10 --> 0:12:13 an IQ above room temperature and pointed that out for
0:12:14 --> 0:12:16 people that it was going to then be this kind
0:12:16 --> 0:12:18 of finishing effect after the debate is that what you
0:12:18 --> 0:12:19 have seen.
0:12:19 --> 0:12:20 One hundred percent.
0:12:20 --> 0:12:27 So essentially what happened here was really interesting. The Baron
0:12:27 --> 0:12:31 Coleman's of the World and the sort of law Tube
0:12:31 --> 0:12:33 picked all of this up and just started tearing her
0:12:33 --> 0:12:37 position to pieces immediately, and the commentators in the debate
0:12:37 --> 0:12:40 sphere argent they're making a mockery of her. They think
0:12:40 --> 0:12:43 that she's a lunatic, has no idea what she's talking about.
0:12:44 --> 0:12:46 And then on the flip side to that too, you
0:12:46 --> 0:12:48 even have main street coverage, and even on the main
0:12:48 --> 0:12:52 street coverage it's the same thing. They're like, well, well,
0:12:52 --> 0:12:55 where's any of the evidence for any of these supposed claims,
0:12:55 --> 0:12:56 and we never got to any.
0:12:57 --> 0:12:58 So not only will it.
0:12:58 --> 0:13:01 Age well, but what I thought that it would do
0:13:01 --> 0:13:05 more than anything else, to be mis candid as possible.
0:13:06 --> 0:13:08 I thought that it would up the pressure of people
0:13:08 --> 0:13:11 questioning the questioners and I've seen a lot of that
0:13:11 --> 0:13:14 now moving on social media, of people saying, hey, wait
0:13:14 --> 0:13:17 a second, where is the actual evidence. I got hundreds
0:13:17 --> 0:13:19 of dms, for instance, from people who didn't know that
0:13:19 --> 0:13:22 the steakhouse receipt was a complete phony fraud, that the
0:13:22 --> 0:13:23 whole thing is a fraud.
0:13:24 --> 0:13:26 Well, I had no idea that that was the case.
0:13:26 --> 0:13:28 Can I just say something? So we have Andrea Burkhart.
0:13:28 --> 0:13:30 She's going to join us on the show tomorrow. She
0:13:30 --> 0:13:33 is a political as it comes like, she is not
0:13:33 --> 0:13:35 like on a side at all. And I asked her.
0:13:36 --> 0:13:39 I said, if they had exculpatory evidence, whether it's the
0:13:39 --> 0:13:43 parents that actually, you know, think he's innocent, or they
0:13:43 --> 0:13:47 have some steakhouse receipt, would they not present that at
0:13:47 --> 0:13:51 the preliminary hearing? And she was like, absolutely they would.
0:13:51 --> 0:13:55 No lawyer, if they have exculpatory evidence that proves the
0:13:55 --> 0:13:58 timeline is wrong, that proves the parents don't actually think it,
0:13:58 --> 0:14:01 would not use that evidence because those lawyers are then
0:14:02 --> 0:14:05 basically binding their their client over for three years in
0:14:05 --> 0:14:08 prison for something that he didn't actually do. They absolutely
0:14:09 --> 0:14:12 would have presented that evidence at preliminary hearing. Okay, And
0:14:12 --> 0:14:14 there's the same thing person.
0:14:15 --> 0:14:17 Yeah, the same thing my attorney friend told me, who
0:14:17 --> 0:14:19 was one of the fact checkers at the debate that
0:14:19 --> 0:14:21 I brought with me. He said the same exact thing.
0:14:22 --> 0:14:25 He said, if there was real evidence of conspiracy like that,
0:14:25 --> 0:14:28 that would falsify anything that the prosecution had, And that
0:14:29 --> 0:14:31 is the thing that you would bring up absolutely and
0:14:31 --> 0:14:33 because it would, it would completely crush the opposition.
0:14:34 --> 0:14:36 Yeah, and they have the cell bright data from the
0:14:36 --> 0:14:38 from the phone. They have all that they know exactly
0:14:38 --> 0:14:42 where he actually was based on digital evidence, the whole,
0:14:42 --> 0:14:45 the whole timeline. Anyways, I want to get to this
0:14:45 --> 0:14:49 because the claim was that Tyler Robinson is a patsy,
0:14:50 --> 0:14:53 and your claim was that the evidence actually supports that
0:14:53 --> 0:14:54 Tyler Robinson's guilty.
0:14:54 --> 0:14:58 Okay, yeah, they the claims are actually comparative. So the
0:14:58 --> 0:15:02 comparative they were comparative claims is there more Is there
0:15:02 --> 0:15:06 more evidence that Tyler Robinson murdered Charlie Kirk than there
0:15:07 --> 0:15:09 is evidence for him being a patsy. So these are
0:15:09 --> 0:15:14 comparative claims. So the idea here is in the comparative claim,
0:15:15 --> 0:15:18 which one actually has more evidence for it. Now you
0:15:18 --> 0:15:21 can say that you don't particularly care for the evidence
0:15:21 --> 0:15:25 of the stage or that there's problems with it, and
0:15:25 --> 0:15:28 that's that's a fair enough argument. But as a comparative claim,
0:15:28 --> 0:15:30 there is nothing to compare. One side has evidence, the
0:15:30 --> 0:15:33 other side has no evidence. It's really that simple, it's
0:15:33 --> 0:15:34 not very complex.
0:15:34 --> 0:15:37 Here's from milk Bar TV. He put together he puts
0:15:37 --> 0:15:40 together these compilations on you know, kind of a lot
0:15:40 --> 0:15:43 of things, but he tends to focus on Candace and
0:15:43 --> 0:15:46 kind of the contradictions that she makes. Often she's kind
0:15:46 --> 0:15:48 of a contradiction queen here. So let's go ahead and
0:15:49 --> 0:15:50 play the patsy claim.
0:15:50 --> 0:15:53 Not to Candace's belief that there's overwhelming evidence that Tyler
0:15:53 --> 0:15:55 Robinson was a patsy and didn't kill Charlie Kirk.
0:15:56 --> 0:15:57 Why is it that we should go with this idea
0:15:57 --> 0:15:58 that it was a patsy.
0:15:59 --> 0:16:02 I'm not saying that we should go with the idea
0:16:02 --> 0:16:03 that it was a patsy.
0:16:03 --> 0:16:05 I am saying that there is Oh I thought that
0:16:05 --> 0:16:08 was the whole defense, your whole claim, Tyler Robinson.
0:16:08 --> 0:16:10 They're gonna convict him, They found their patsy. They're going
0:16:10 --> 0:16:12 to make it work. The alleged tutor.
0:16:12 --> 0:16:14 You think they're a patsy of.
0:16:13 --> 0:16:17 Course the pay patty, which is what Tyler Robinson is see,
0:16:17 --> 0:16:18 which is what Tyler Robinson is.
0:16:23 --> 0:16:25 I didn't edit that together, so you know, I didn't
0:16:25 --> 0:16:27 do the slow mods and trying to take take a
0:16:27 --> 0:16:29 cheap shot. But that's how the milk Bar TV did.
0:16:30 --> 0:16:35 So basically, she contradicted her original claim that you guys
0:16:35 --> 0:16:39 went into the debate almost immediately. Am I missing something?
0:16:39 --> 0:16:40 She got?
0:16:40 --> 0:16:43 Well, yeah, she contradicted her claim very early on. So
0:16:43 --> 0:16:45 I played this clip. You can actually find it during
0:16:45 --> 0:16:49 the debate, write about the fifty one minute mark, and
0:16:49 --> 0:16:52 she what she says, there is is a comparative claim.
0:16:52 --> 0:16:54 There's a hundred other.
0:16:55 --> 0:16:59 Just as likely explanations as Robinson is a patsy. Her
0:16:59 --> 0:17:02 answer in response to that is yes, there is, and
0:17:02 --> 0:17:06 then she further qualifies it by saying that not only
0:17:06 --> 0:17:10 is that the case, but if you keep moving ahead
0:17:10 --> 0:17:13 in the timeline on that particular clip, she concedes the
0:17:13 --> 0:17:15 entirety of it, which is what he's showing there for
0:17:16 --> 0:17:18 the patsy. She says, there's no good reason that you
0:17:18 --> 0:17:22 should actually believe he's a patsy. So you have two
0:17:22 --> 0:17:27 comparative claims that you can make right there. But that
0:17:27 --> 0:17:29 just completely annihilated her position, and I knew right then
0:17:29 --> 0:17:31 and there that I'd won the debate. And you can
0:17:31 --> 0:17:34 actually if you pan They didn't do it because she
0:17:34 --> 0:17:36 was speaking, but if they were able to pan over,
0:17:36 --> 0:17:39 you actually would have seen what I call the Wilson
0:17:39 --> 0:17:42 smug look. It looks something like this, or I'm kind
0:17:42 --> 0:17:44 of just get a little bit smug because I know
0:17:44 --> 0:17:47 for sure that's it right once, once I.
0:17:47 --> 0:17:50 Get that con session match right there. Yeah, you know
0:17:50 --> 0:17:52 what's interesting, By the way, one of the more I
0:17:52 --> 0:17:54 will just say, on a personal level, infuriating moments of
0:17:54 --> 0:17:57 the debate was when you guys were talking about complicit.
0:17:57 --> 0:18:00 She said, I never said Erica Kirk was complicit. You
0:18:00 --> 0:18:03 put those words in Charlie's murder. You put those words
0:18:03 --> 0:18:05 in my mouth. I didn't do that, and.
0:18:05 --> 0:18:07 I'm considered asking her to define the word complicit.
0:18:07 --> 0:18:08 I did.
0:18:08 --> 0:18:11 Actually, you know, if you watch, if you watch what
0:18:11 --> 0:18:14 I what I said to her specifically was what did
0:18:14 --> 0:18:15 you mean when you said complicit?
0:18:15 --> 0:18:17 Then what does that actually mean?
0:18:17 --> 0:18:21 And what she said is that means that you believe
0:18:21 --> 0:18:25 Tyler Robinson shot Charlie Kirk. And I said, wait, that's it.
0:18:25 --> 0:18:28 You just all you mean by complicit is that Erica
0:18:28 --> 0:18:32 believes that. Yes, and then she I went a step
0:18:32 --> 0:18:35 further again and said, so are you just saying that
0:18:35 --> 0:18:39 she doesn't believe that? And then Kenda says, yeah, I
0:18:39 --> 0:18:41 absolutely don't believe Erica Kirk believes that.
0:18:42 --> 0:18:45 It just it's like, we'll play the clip.
0:18:45 --> 0:18:45 This.
0:18:45 --> 0:18:49 This is again from milk Bar top three. There is
0:18:49 --> 0:18:51 why it is impossible for me to think that Erica
0:18:51 --> 0:18:53 Kirk is not complicit.
0:18:52 --> 0:18:56 Somehow that Tyler Robinson was one hundred percent responsible for
0:18:56 --> 0:18:58 the death of Charlie Kirk. Let's say she believed it
0:18:58 --> 0:19:01 with every fiber of her being believed all the evidence.
0:19:01 --> 0:19:04 Because she did, she just actually did. Would it then
0:19:04 --> 0:19:07 follow that somehow she's complicit in his death?
0:19:08 --> 0:19:12 I didn't take implicit in death. You added those two words.
0:19:15 --> 0:19:16 By the way, I just want to say, I don't
0:19:16 --> 0:19:19 know milk Bar TV. The team just pulled these clips.
0:19:19 --> 0:19:21 We don't pay him because that'll you know, I don't
0:19:21 --> 0:19:24 know what the allegations are gonna be, but that so
0:19:24 --> 0:19:28 I'm sitting there going like, wait, your whole thing is
0:19:28 --> 0:19:31 that you've basically set it up that Erica Kirk is
0:19:31 --> 0:19:35 complicit in Charlie's death somehow for months, and you're gonna
0:19:35 --> 0:19:38 sit there in a debate across from Andrew Wilson and
0:19:38 --> 0:19:41 say you added those words. I never said that. I
0:19:41 --> 0:19:45 meant he's she's complicit in like the framing of Tyler
0:19:45 --> 0:19:48 Robinson or something like that. And I was like, I'm
0:19:48 --> 0:19:49 sitting here going like, well, thanks for all the death
0:19:49 --> 0:19:52 threats because you just think we're we we believe the
0:19:52 --> 0:19:55 wrong guy's guilty. That like, thanks for all of the
0:19:55 --> 0:19:58 harassment and all the death threats. Really cool.
0:19:58 --> 0:20:02 Well, well, not only that, but the massive slander campaign,
0:20:03 --> 0:20:05 the unethical campaign that.
0:20:05 --> 0:20:06 Has been going on so one.
0:20:07 --> 0:20:09 There's two kind of primary reasons that I even got
0:20:09 --> 0:20:12 involved in any of this to begin with. The first
0:20:12 --> 0:20:16 was because of a person who has been in my
0:20:16 --> 0:20:20 chat for years challenged me because he said, I don't
0:20:20 --> 0:20:23 really believe this official narrative, and you always tell us
0:20:23 --> 0:20:27 to falsify, try to falsify your own claim. So that
0:20:27 --> 0:20:28 was what I set out to do. I'm going to
0:20:28 --> 0:20:31 see if I can falsify my own claim. And I
0:20:31 --> 0:20:32 couldn't falsify it.
0:20:33 --> 0:20:35 Right, I did? I mean, and I tried. I went
0:20:35 --> 0:20:35 into x space.
0:20:35 --> 0:20:38 After Xpace talked to tons of these people with their
0:20:38 --> 0:20:42 alternative theories, talk to attorneys, talk to everybody appositive. I
0:20:42 --> 0:20:45 couldn't fall get it falsified. So that was the first issue.
0:20:45 --> 0:20:49 And then the sort of second issue is that what
0:20:49 --> 0:20:52 I see is a power dynamic problem. I think that
0:20:52 --> 0:20:54 people get the motivation of Owens and a lot of
0:20:54 --> 0:20:57 these people incorrect. They attribute it to things like jealousy.
0:20:58 --> 0:21:00 They attribute it to this type of thing. I don't
0:21:00 --> 0:21:01 really think it has much to do with that. I
0:21:01 --> 0:21:05 think it has to do with power. From the perspective
0:21:05 --> 0:21:08 of the Owens and Owen's orbiters, they have license to
0:21:08 --> 0:21:10 do whatever horrible thing that they want to anybody because
0:21:10 --> 0:21:15 they're running quote an investigation. That's what they're doing, so,
0:21:15 --> 0:21:18 at least from their in that's what they say they're doing.
0:21:18 --> 0:21:20 So if they want to dox you, if they want
0:21:20 --> 0:21:22 to harass you, if they want to harass your family,
0:21:22 --> 0:21:24 they want to dox your family, they want to do
0:21:24 --> 0:21:28 all the things which are normally against all Internet protocol. Right,
0:21:28 --> 0:21:30 the things that people would normally come down hard on
0:21:30 --> 0:21:34 you for doing, they are allowed to because they're quote investigators.
0:21:35 --> 0:21:36 And so what that does is it gives them car
0:21:37 --> 0:21:41 Blanche to do whatever horrible thing they want to somebody
0:21:41 --> 0:21:44 because they're searching for the truth, you see. And that's
0:21:44 --> 0:21:48 one of the major issues that I saw going in,
0:21:48 --> 0:21:52 was like, these people have given themselves license to do
0:21:52 --> 0:21:56 whatever horrible thing they want to anybody that they want.
0:21:58 --> 0:22:00 And then the way that they justify it is they're
0:22:00 --> 0:22:02 part of this conspiracy. So therefore, if we destroy their life,
0:22:03 --> 0:22:06 if we docks their family members, if we viciously attack them,
0:22:06 --> 0:22:09 if we slander them, if we demean them, if we
0:22:09 --> 0:22:12 stock them, if we do horrible things to them, that's
0:22:12 --> 0:22:15 completely justified because all we need to do the Wine
0:22:15 --> 0:22:17 Moms of the world is unify and say, well, you're
0:22:17 --> 0:22:20 part of the conspiracy, so we're justified in doing this
0:22:20 --> 0:22:20 to you.
0:22:21 --> 0:22:24 I remind I'm reminded of the one time I did
0:22:24 --> 0:22:27 meet you when you came to HQ and I asked
0:22:27 --> 0:22:29 you about I was like, why, you know, I'd seen
0:22:29 --> 0:22:33 a debate you did with I think it was Zach Costello,
0:22:33 --> 0:22:36 something I've never heard about before, and I asked you,
0:22:36 --> 0:22:38 I was like, why why did you do this? And
0:22:38 --> 0:22:41 you said, like, you know, you know, I expect us
0:22:41 --> 0:22:44 to fight for ourselves, but you know, I didn't necessarily
0:22:44 --> 0:22:47 expect somebody like you, who, again we didn't know each other.
0:22:48 --> 0:22:53 You had criticisms, fair enough, whatever, I didn't expect somebody
0:22:53 --> 0:22:56 like you to kind of get into the midst here
0:22:56 --> 0:23:01 and and your answer was actually pretty good. Said, I
0:23:01 --> 0:23:03 feel like they're in league with the left. And this
0:23:03 --> 0:23:06 is something that i've heard from you with the Devil. Maybe,
0:23:06 --> 0:23:08 well you've you've been really on that.
0:23:08 --> 0:23:12 Wait, wait, you just said the same thing. Oh that's
0:23:12 --> 0:23:13 the same thing, right.
0:23:13 --> 0:23:15 And I think maybe just I just wanted to ask
0:23:15 --> 0:23:19 because because I mean, we don't pay you, we're not
0:23:19 --> 0:23:21 working together, we didn't coordinate this debate with you. All
0:23:21 --> 0:23:23 of that is just like her nonsense that she wants
0:23:23 --> 0:23:26 to put out there. But when I did meet you
0:23:26 --> 0:23:29 the one time when you came to campus to teach
0:23:29 --> 0:23:33 debate course and stuff like that, you you told me
0:23:33 --> 0:23:36 that that was a deep motivator for you too, that
0:23:36 --> 0:23:37 you think they're in league with the left.
0:23:37 --> 0:23:42 Explain that I had noticed for a long time that
0:23:42 --> 0:23:46 there was correspondence, very public correspondence going on with the
0:23:46 --> 0:23:50 former stalkers of Charlie Kirk. And you might remember the
0:23:50 --> 0:23:53 former stokers of Charlie Kirk. They called themselves the un
0:23:53 --> 0:23:58 f America Tour, and they're headed by a socialist. In
0:23:58 --> 0:24:04 this particular socialist has received tons of money through basically
0:24:04 --> 0:24:07 being processed through Act Blue. We knew all of this
0:24:07 --> 0:24:10 when we checked her out, because she has been behind
0:24:10 --> 0:24:15 many harassment campaigns towards right wingers, doxing campaigns, and various
0:24:15 --> 0:24:17 things like this, and she seems to be very proud
0:24:17 --> 0:24:20 of it. In fact, she says she just said recently
0:24:20 --> 0:24:25 to Max, a kid that I know who is going
0:24:25 --> 0:24:27 towards the pickup the mic tour, can't wait to find
0:24:27 --> 0:24:31 out what skeletons you have in your closet, right, So
0:24:31 --> 0:24:33 her whole thing is to do this. And I noticed
0:24:33 --> 0:24:36 that she was corresponding with other accounts like Project Constitution
0:24:36 --> 0:24:40 and other of these orbiters who also correspond with Baron Coleman,
0:24:40 --> 0:24:42 who corresponds with Candice Owns, etc.
0:24:42 --> 0:24:42 Etc.
0:24:42 --> 0:24:46 And I thought that that was a very odd linkage
0:24:46 --> 0:24:50 and suspected that there might be some kind of coordination
0:24:50 --> 0:24:54 going on there. So I'd never directly accused KANDAE of
0:24:54 --> 0:24:59 coordinating with these people or Baron Coleman, but I did
0:24:59 --> 0:25:02 say that I thought Project Constitution was definitely coordinating with him.
0:25:02 --> 0:25:05 And then it turns out post debate, they're all retweeting
0:25:05 --> 0:25:09 each other, including the unf America tour. They're directly corresponding
0:25:09 --> 0:25:12 with each other, and that basically confirmed all the suspicions.
0:25:12 --> 0:25:14 And I've always thought that.
0:25:14 --> 0:25:19 Leftists have pushed this narrative, and Z has now basically
0:25:19 --> 0:25:21 come out and admitted that she has been pushing this
0:25:21 --> 0:25:24 narrative as hard as possible, and so did Hassan Piker.
0:25:25 --> 0:25:28 He's pushing the narrative as hard as possible because instead
0:25:28 --> 0:25:30 of the right wing unifying and throwing these people in
0:25:30 --> 0:25:34 jail for being, you know, terrorists, which is exactly what
0:25:34 --> 0:25:37 should have happened, as the federal government had declared Antifa
0:25:37 --> 0:25:40 to be a terrorist, the right wing had all the momentum,
0:25:40 --> 0:25:44 and then what happens. These leftists began to also spread
0:25:44 --> 0:25:49 and propagate these these theories which divided the right. Hassan
0:25:49 --> 0:25:52 Piker actually put it very succinctly when he pointed this out.
0:25:52 --> 0:25:59 Yeah, that Hassan Piker clip is pretty infuriating. Hi, folks,
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0:26:54 --> 0:26:58 Andrews sent you. I have a couple more questions for
0:26:58 --> 0:27:04 you on the debate here, uh, I noticed you didn't
0:27:04 --> 0:27:07 bring up Egyptian planes. You didn't bring up Fort Wachuka,
0:27:08 --> 0:27:09 or as I like to call it, some fort in
0:27:10 --> 0:27:12 Tucson because I didn't actually know. I'd never heard of
0:27:12 --> 0:27:15 it before. Uh Fort Wachuka. You didn't bring up any
0:27:15 --> 0:27:19 of these kind of hair brained, debunked claims. Right. You
0:27:19 --> 0:27:22 got this Mitch Snow character who says his dad is
0:27:22 --> 0:27:26 a Zodiac killer that that claims he saw people at Fort,
0:27:26 --> 0:27:29 which this stuff is is so looney tunes. But you
0:27:29 --> 0:27:30 didn't go there.
0:27:30 --> 0:27:33 Why I wanted to go after the strongest claims.
0:27:33 --> 0:27:37 So if I was in Kansas's seat when I'm when
0:27:37 --> 0:27:40 I'm kind of gaming this out, which way she would go?
0:27:40 --> 0:27:42 If I bring up Mitch Snow, she'd say, yeah, I
0:27:42 --> 0:27:46 brought him on. I never said that he was credible. Right,
0:27:46 --> 0:27:49 I'm investigating every lead. You can't hold me responsible for
0:27:49 --> 0:27:51 his position, and that wastes a lot of my time.
0:27:51 --> 0:27:53 Remember I'm only going to get about three and a
0:27:53 --> 0:27:55 half hours here, and I only get an hour and
0:27:55 --> 0:27:57 a half. So what I wanted to do was go
0:27:57 --> 0:28:01 after the much stronger claims. She can't just point at
0:28:01 --> 0:28:05 and say, oh, I was just I was just messing around,
0:28:05 --> 0:28:07 or I was just following up on leads, but claims
0:28:07 --> 0:28:11 that she has really tied herself to like the Patsy claim,
0:28:11 --> 0:28:17 the steakhouse claim, the French Foreign Legion claim. These are
0:28:17 --> 0:28:22 things that I think are much much stronger to give
0:28:22 --> 0:28:26 opposition to, because when she can't actually demonstrate any of this,
0:28:26 --> 0:28:30 it makes her look terrible, as opposed to like Mitch Snow.
0:28:30 --> 0:28:32 If we were doing Mitch Snow, she would just say, well,
0:28:32 --> 0:28:34 he's just a guy I had on the show you
0:28:34 --> 0:28:36 know who, and I didn't tell anybody they had.
0:28:36 --> 0:28:40 But the Egyptian planes thing Andrew, she for months was saying,
0:28:40 --> 0:28:43 this is like, this is the thing that is going
0:28:43 --> 0:28:45 to crack everything open. And then and then I think
0:28:45 --> 0:28:48 it was kinda CoA. The Great did a big deep
0:28:48 --> 0:28:51 dive track the planes realized it was like seventy percent wrong,
0:28:51 --> 0:28:53 even like I think it was two thirds of the
0:28:53 --> 0:28:55 time the plane was on a different comment than they
0:28:55 --> 0:28:56 had it.
0:28:56 --> 0:28:58 I mean, it was trivial because you look at it
0:28:58 --> 0:29:00 and it had what it was point this out that
0:29:00 --> 0:29:02 there are multiple times in the spreadsheet where she just
0:29:02 --> 0:29:05 repeats the same plane, So yeah, yeah, that's not a
0:29:05 --> 0:29:07 lot of attention to detail, but a lot of it
0:29:07 --> 0:29:10 is like all these times where Erica and these different
0:29:10 --> 0:29:13 planes they're both flying through Wilmington, Delaware at the same time,
0:29:13 --> 0:29:16 and I don't think Erica has literally ever visited Wilmington,
0:29:16 --> 0:29:18 Delaware in her life.
0:29:18 --> 0:29:21 Yeah, so, I mean, but so anyway, I just think
0:29:21 --> 0:29:24 that there's so much that his, so much has transpired,
0:29:24 --> 0:29:27 so many different stories and so many different threads that
0:29:27 --> 0:29:29 we forget and that the average person forgets. And oh,
0:29:29 --> 0:29:31 she's just asking questions, she's just on.
0:29:31 --> 0:29:31 It, you know.
0:29:32 --> 0:29:35 But when we actually it was actually Blake, I was
0:29:35 --> 0:29:37 off that date sort of invited her to have a
0:29:37 --> 0:29:41 debate with us. She ended up pulling something like this
0:29:41 --> 0:29:44 French foreign legion thing where she thought there was some
0:29:45 --> 0:29:47 cartel guy here in Arizona that was gonna try and
0:29:47 --> 0:29:50 assassinate her and so we couldn't do it in Arizona.
0:29:50 --> 0:29:52 Actually that was like I don't know if people know
0:29:52 --> 0:29:54 that story or not. I can't remember what's public and
0:29:54 --> 0:29:56 what's not. That was that was there were.
0:29:56 --> 0:29:58 Multiple layers that you know, she was pairing it.
0:29:58 --> 0:30:01 Oh, there's there could be U, you know, assassination threat
0:30:01 --> 0:30:04 when I'm approaching the HQ, and then there's like a
0:30:04 --> 0:30:06 cartel danger. And then there was a new danger that
0:30:07 --> 0:30:10 came after that, like endless excuses, and you know, we.
0:30:10 --> 0:30:12 Saw this where she was insisting you had to go
0:30:12 --> 0:30:13 to her place.
0:30:13 --> 0:30:13 Yeah.
0:30:13 --> 0:30:16 Oh, and that's my other question, Andrew. So there's been
0:30:16 --> 0:30:21 much made about this, uh my earpiece, and you did
0:30:22 --> 0:30:27 question at some point if there was information being fed
0:30:27 --> 0:30:29 both ways. I think we have a clip on that actually,
0:30:29 --> 0:30:32 if I'm not mistaken. So this is PbD talking about
0:30:32 --> 0:30:35 this top five? What is that?
0:30:37 --> 0:30:38 What is that? That's an ear piece?
0:30:39 --> 0:30:43 Was that legal? You see how he's touching his earpiece?
0:30:43 --> 0:30:44 Yeh?
0:30:44 --> 0:30:45 Was he wearing an earpiece?
0:30:46 --> 0:30:47 He was?
0:30:49 --> 0:30:52 Are you ready? That's Candace's ear piece?
0:30:53 --> 0:30:53 What does that mean?
0:30:54 --> 0:30:56 They gave that earpiece to all of us, so everyone
0:30:56 --> 0:31:01 you they no, wait, watch what just happened? Yeah, the
0:31:01 --> 0:31:04 market believes she had a near piece of things being
0:31:04 --> 0:31:06 fed to us. That was a near piece that Candace's
0:31:06 --> 0:31:08 producers gave Candace.
0:31:08 --> 0:31:10 Here every day, you guys behind the scenes. So was
0:31:10 --> 0:31:12 she going to say that on air?
0:31:12 --> 0:31:15 She would ease? I don't think she would. I think
0:31:15 --> 0:31:16 she will. I don't think she has a problem with that.
0:31:16 --> 0:31:18 But that is their ear piece.
0:31:19 --> 0:31:21 So what's the story with the earpiece? Because I asked
0:31:21 --> 0:31:25 my tech team, I said, could you if I if
0:31:25 --> 0:31:28 I had you in studio with me, could I rout
0:31:28 --> 0:31:31 it in such a way that I feed different sources
0:31:31 --> 0:31:33 to different people. We don't have it routed that way.
0:31:33 --> 0:31:35 But you could, and they said, yes.
0:31:35 --> 0:31:36 Of course, of course you can.
0:31:37 --> 0:31:41 The thing is, though, it's like, I can't make that
0:31:41 --> 0:31:44 claim because I don't know if it's true or not true.
0:31:45 --> 0:31:47 It wouldn't surprise me if it was true. I didn't.
0:31:48 --> 0:31:50 I didn't like the idea of having the earpieces in.
0:31:50 --> 0:31:52 What we were told was you have to have them
0:31:52 --> 0:31:55 in so that you know the queue for we're going
0:31:55 --> 0:31:57 to bring up this evidence or we're going to do this,
0:31:57 --> 0:31:59 or we're going to go to an ad break that
0:32:00 --> 0:32:02 that's why you need to have it in. But it
0:32:02 --> 0:32:05 wouldn't surprise me if she was being fed through her
0:32:05 --> 0:32:06 ear piece at all.
0:32:06 --> 0:32:09 So, but I can't. I can't say that for certainty.
0:32:09 --> 0:32:12 You know, all right, Blake Andrew has questions for us too,
0:32:13 --> 0:32:16 just so the audience knows we are going to stream
0:32:16 --> 0:32:18 if this takes longer to get through the whole interview
0:32:18 --> 0:32:20 back and forth, like we'll just go longer.
0:32:20 --> 0:32:21 We're going long.
0:32:21 --> 0:32:23 We're going live. Yeah, we're live. I've asked a bunch
0:32:23 --> 0:32:25 of questions. I want to make sure you have a
0:32:26 --> 0:32:28 chance to ask any questions that you have about the debate.
0:32:28 --> 0:32:32 I just I guess I've speculated, and like this might
0:32:32 --> 0:32:35 be the only time she ever agrees to any debate
0:32:35 --> 0:32:35 like this.
0:32:36 --> 0:32:39 Well, it's unprecedented, just so you know, like nothing like
0:32:39 --> 0:32:42 this has ever happened on the internet before, as far
0:32:42 --> 0:32:45 as I'm aware, The entire thing was unprecedented. The fact
0:32:46 --> 0:32:48 that pay for access just to ask basic questions in
0:32:48 --> 0:32:51 a way that she couldn't evade. That's probably never going
0:32:51 --> 0:32:52 to happen again.
0:32:52 --> 0:32:54 Can we can we just pause there for a second.
0:32:55 --> 0:32:57 One of the parts of this that is, I haven't
0:32:57 --> 0:32:59 heard nearly enough people bring up again, So the fact
0:32:59 --> 0:33:01 that you offer her three hundred thousand dollars to do
0:33:01 --> 0:33:04 the debate, and she counters, she t five hundred five,
0:33:05 --> 0:33:08 and then when you guys do the debate, she's running ads.
0:33:09 --> 0:33:12 I just I couldn't okay.
0:33:13 --> 0:33:17 If you saw the contract correspondence, Like these people were
0:33:17 --> 0:33:22 just inshane to deal with. But my thought process was like,
0:33:22 --> 0:33:25 who cares. Just make whatever concessions they want and get
0:33:25 --> 0:33:27 in the room, because I know once you once I'm
0:33:27 --> 0:33:30 in the room, I'm going to be able to expose
0:33:30 --> 0:33:32 that there's no evidence for any of these claims at all,
0:33:32 --> 0:33:34 and there never has been. So that was my whole
0:33:34 --> 0:33:37 thought process was like, whatever, just concede to whatever crazy
0:33:37 --> 0:33:39 stuff that they want so that we can get there.
0:33:40 --> 0:33:41 Yeah, we have ane.
0:33:41 --> 0:33:42 Well do you feel do you feel there was any
0:33:43 --> 0:33:47 unfinished business to the debate? Is there anything you really
0:33:47 --> 0:33:49 wish you'd gotten to or is there anything if you
0:33:49 --> 0:33:52 had a round two without spoiling what your strategy would be,
0:33:52 --> 0:33:54 should that round two happen.
0:33:54 --> 0:33:57 That you feel merits more exploration?
0:33:58 --> 0:33:59 Yeah, I think yourself.
0:33:59 --> 0:34:04 Tell me my biggest Yeah, my biggest critique is that
0:34:05 --> 0:34:06 I think it would have actually been better if we
0:34:06 --> 0:34:09 had done timed rounds so I could hold her feet
0:34:09 --> 0:34:13 to the fire better because she would just fill a buster.
0:34:13 --> 0:34:13 Right.
0:34:13 --> 0:34:15 If you look at the debate time, she got twice
0:34:15 --> 0:34:18 the speaking time that I did. And you can't be
0:34:18 --> 0:34:22 particularly aggressive. It's in her house with you know, she's pregnant.
0:34:23 --> 0:34:25 It would have been terrible optics if I had been
0:34:26 --> 0:34:28 as aggressive as I have been in the past in
0:34:28 --> 0:34:29 different debates.
0:34:29 --> 0:34:30 I had to take a different strategy here.
0:34:31 --> 0:34:34 Ultimately, though, Yeah, I think that she needed to be
0:34:34 --> 0:34:38 hammered even more on a lot of these questions until
0:34:38 --> 0:34:42 she actually gave even more concise answers and reconcile some
0:34:42 --> 0:34:45 of the contradictions. But that just wasn't possible in that format.
0:34:45 --> 0:34:48 But I think ultimately we got exactly what it was
0:34:48 --> 0:34:52 that I set out to do, which is we got
0:34:52 --> 0:34:56 the answer right that there's no evidence. That's what everybody
0:34:56 --> 0:34:58 in the world got. They got the answer there's no
0:34:58 --> 0:35:00 evidence of any kind for these claims well.
0:35:00 --> 0:35:02 And I think that's why this is going to age
0:35:02 --> 0:35:05 really really well for you, Andrew, because I knew that
0:35:05 --> 0:35:06 she had the bigger following. It was going to be like,
0:35:07 --> 0:35:09 you know, Candice won all that stuff.
0:35:09 --> 0:35:11 We knew we were going to get zerged, and they
0:35:11 --> 0:35:13 if it wasn't the clip that they picked, it would
0:35:13 --> 0:35:14 have been a different clip.
0:35:14 --> 0:35:16 It doesn't matter. We knew that the ZERG was going
0:35:16 --> 0:35:16 to happen.
0:35:17 --> 0:35:20 Anytime I've debated with much larger creators or media talent,
0:35:21 --> 0:35:22 the ZERG happens.
0:35:22 --> 0:35:23 There's not much that you can do about it.
0:35:24 --> 0:35:26 But they only get about forty eight or seventy two hours,
0:35:27 --> 0:35:29 and then when other people start picking it up and
0:35:29 --> 0:35:31 picking it apart, they go, w well, wait a second,
0:35:31 --> 0:35:33 there's serious problems here.
0:35:33 --> 0:35:36 Yeah, well, and so did you? Were you concerned she
0:35:36 --> 0:35:38 was just going to get up and walk out if
0:35:38 --> 0:35:40 you pressed her too hard or if you got too.
0:35:40 --> 0:35:42 Aggress In fact, she wanted to make it very clear
0:35:42 --> 0:35:46 in the contract that once we're seated in the studio,
0:35:46 --> 0:35:51 essentially her contractual obligation is fulfilled. And so that was
0:35:52 --> 0:35:54 she was trying to make that, you know, part of
0:35:54 --> 0:35:58 the agreement of the initial contract. And that was, in fact,
0:35:58 --> 0:36:01 I'm sure in case she did decide that she was
0:36:01 --> 0:36:04 getting pressed too hard, and then rage quit and then said,
0:36:04 --> 0:36:06 but that now I can keep all of the money,
0:36:06 --> 0:36:10 right because we fulfilled our contractual end.
0:36:10 --> 0:36:12 Did you put the money in like an escrow account
0:36:12 --> 0:36:16 or something like? Where did the money go? I'm sure
0:36:16 --> 0:36:18 you had some stipulation of what it would take to
0:36:18 --> 0:36:19 release it, right.
0:36:19 --> 0:36:22 Well, my attorney said, send it to his attorney, because
0:36:22 --> 0:36:24 if they don't fulfill their end of the contract and
0:36:24 --> 0:36:27 he releases it, they get disbarred. So, you know, send
0:36:27 --> 0:36:31 it to him and direct to his escrow. It's their attorney,
0:36:31 --> 0:36:34 right Like, if their attorney won't release it to him,
0:36:34 --> 0:36:36 then they got a problem.
0:36:35 --> 0:36:36 You know what I mean.
0:36:37 --> 0:36:39 So that's how I set it up was we'll send
0:36:39 --> 0:36:42 three hundred thousand to your attorney.
0:36:42 --> 0:36:46 I mean, you know it. I'm reminded of something that
0:36:47 --> 0:36:49 Charlie told us, something Blake and I have reflected on.
0:36:50 --> 0:36:52 You know, he said, if you want to understand, Candice
0:36:52 --> 0:36:55 just knows all she cares about his money.
0:36:54 --> 0:36:58 Which I think he's actually was mistaken about. I think
0:36:58 --> 0:36:59 we I think we've seen that that.
0:37:00 --> 0:37:01 It's power, its influence.
0:37:01 --> 0:37:04 I don't even know what that power. I think it's money, attention.
0:37:05 --> 0:37:06 She loves attention.
0:37:08 --> 0:37:11 Yeah, we could speculate more, but it, you know, the
0:37:11 --> 0:37:12 money thing, just thing.
0:37:12 --> 0:37:14 It's just about being able to destroy a person's life
0:37:14 --> 0:37:17 and then saying that you're justified in doing it because
0:37:17 --> 0:37:20 you're running a quote investigation. The fact of the matter
0:37:20 --> 0:37:25 is is that these people have run, for essentially a year,
0:37:26 --> 0:37:31 a massive campaign of slander, doxing, harassment, every sort of
0:37:31 --> 0:37:35 horror that you can imagine conducted on other people. And
0:37:35 --> 0:37:37 if you even dare disagree with them in a public sense,
0:37:38 --> 0:37:41 they move to report your channel. I can show you
0:37:41 --> 0:37:45 hundreds of these various messages saying go to Andrew's YouTube. Right,
0:37:46 --> 0:37:49 he promised people who remembers he was going to release
0:37:49 --> 0:37:52 information and didn't. That's a violation of tos. Go report
0:37:52 --> 0:37:54 them when they knew it wasn't true. Right, Well, it's
0:37:54 --> 0:37:58 tons and tons of these people focus on deplatforming, doxing
0:37:58 --> 0:38:03 operations and then justify it through quote, we're running an investigation,
0:38:03 --> 0:38:06 and the Internet usually frowns on that in a big way.
0:38:07 --> 0:38:10 But because they claim that it's an open source investigation,
0:38:10 --> 0:38:12 they've thus far been able to get away with some
0:38:12 --> 0:38:13 of that. But I'm hoping that we're going to start
0:38:13 --> 0:38:14 putting a stop to it.
0:38:14 --> 0:38:17 Well, and they all got their own group chats, and
0:38:17 --> 0:38:19 I noticed I can see it on my like on
0:38:19 --> 0:38:21 x if I make a post and you can see it,
0:38:21 --> 0:38:25 it raises their it catches their attention. They all brigade
0:38:25 --> 0:38:27 it and they try and get a community note put
0:38:27 --> 0:38:30 on it. You see this kind of coordinated efforts a lot, actually,
0:38:31 --> 0:38:32 And they made a big deal about this group of
0:38:32 --> 0:38:35 ninety two. Let me say the for the you know,
0:38:35 --> 0:38:39 the Internet's record here. I didn't even know this group
0:38:39 --> 0:38:43 chat existed. I didn't nobody was paid, nobody was coordinating.
0:38:43 --> 0:38:47 These are people doing it organically to defend against what
0:38:47 --> 0:38:50 they seem they see as a smear campaign, a character
0:38:50 --> 0:38:53 assassination against Erica, against turning point, against Charlie's legacy. We
0:38:53 --> 0:38:56 don't have to pay people to do this, they're just there.
0:38:56 --> 0:38:58 There are still good people out there that see it
0:38:58 --> 0:39:01 and see it for what it is. And the hypocrisy
0:39:01 --> 0:39:04 is crazy because they're they're doing this themselves and I
0:39:04 --> 0:39:05 can we can see it in the way that they
0:39:05 --> 0:39:07 brigade the comments and they attack your channel.
0:39:07 --> 0:39:12 Well, there's no there isn't any justification at all for
0:39:12 --> 0:39:15 you to just say this group of people disagrees with me,
0:39:16 --> 0:39:19 so everything all bets are off. If we just make
0:39:19 --> 0:39:22 the imagine having the power to just make the claim, well,
0:39:23 --> 0:39:25 this person could potentially be in on it. And just
0:39:25 --> 0:39:28 by saying that, you now have given car blanche power
0:39:28 --> 0:39:33 to people to run massive doxing and harassment campaigns. Look
0:39:33 --> 0:39:37 for private data, look for private medical records, private emails,
0:39:38 --> 0:39:43 private papers and effects, private conversations, various things like this.
0:39:44 --> 0:39:46 They now believe that they have car blanche to all
0:39:47 --> 0:39:51 of that on private individuals by just giving the nod, oh,
0:39:51 --> 0:39:52 they might have been in on it.
0:39:52 --> 0:39:53 Wink wink.
0:39:54 --> 0:39:59 That, by the way, gentlemen, is extraordinary power for one
0:39:59 --> 0:40:02 single person on the Internet to have it's extraordinary power
0:40:03 --> 0:40:06 to be able to just mark an entire mob, to
0:40:06 --> 0:40:10 go and destroy a person's entire life by just saying
0:40:10 --> 0:40:12 they could be a part of this thing. I mean,
0:40:13 --> 0:40:17 that's and I think that a lot of people miss that,
0:40:17 --> 0:40:21 that part that they've been able to justify this by
0:40:21 --> 0:40:23 claiming it's an open source investigation.
0:40:23 --> 0:40:25 You'll hear Stup Peter say this. You'll hear these guys
0:40:25 --> 0:40:26 say this all the time.
0:40:26 --> 0:40:30 And what that does is it justifies the horrific behavior.
0:40:31 --> 0:40:33 I mean, we've seen this. I just we know people
0:40:33 --> 0:40:38 around here. It's like they just circle around their predatory.
0:40:38 --> 0:40:41 You mentioned how they like the idea that when you
0:40:41 --> 0:40:43 claim you're an investigator, it lets you do anything to people.
0:40:43 --> 0:40:46 But I think a deeper psychological thing is it is
0:40:47 --> 0:40:51 addictive to people to be wantonly cruel to someone. And
0:40:51 --> 0:40:54 then if you can tell the person who's doing that,
0:40:54 --> 0:40:57 actually this is morally righteous, that's an incredibly addictive thing.
0:40:57 --> 0:41:01 It's what drives the French Revolution, the struggle sessions, like
0:41:01 --> 0:41:06 every great frenzy in history has had itself driven by
0:41:06 --> 0:41:07 this sort of behavior.
0:41:07 --> 0:41:09 And egging on the scroll.
0:41:09 --> 0:41:11 She's saying that this is a leftist movement, and I
0:41:11 --> 0:41:13 think it is I call I've called her her followers
0:41:13 --> 0:41:15 Cantifa for that reason, they act like.
0:41:15 --> 0:41:16 It is actually Blake.
0:41:17 --> 0:41:20 Blake makes a very astute point here that if you
0:41:20 --> 0:41:23 look at color revolutions of the past where they say
0:41:23 --> 0:41:25 it's us versus them, you'll see a lot of this
0:41:25 --> 0:41:28 in the posting as well. It's about the elites, it's
0:41:28 --> 0:41:32 about the oligarchs, it's about the dividers at the top
0:41:32 --> 0:41:35 trying to keep us down right.
0:41:35 --> 0:41:38 These are all it's all very very.
0:41:37 --> 0:41:41 Communist and by the way, feminist coded. If you're if
0:41:41 --> 0:41:44 you want to know the traite, very feminist coded language.
0:41:44 --> 0:41:46 The idea of well, we're just being divided, not because
0:41:46 --> 0:41:50 of worldviews but because the quote rich powerful elite want
0:41:50 --> 0:41:54 us to be divided. No, we actually normal people have
0:41:54 --> 0:41:57 completely different world views from each other. They're going to
0:41:57 --> 0:42:00 be divided on political issues across the board. That is,
0:42:01 --> 0:42:03 the state of affairs has nothing even to do with
0:42:03 --> 0:42:06 the elite. While I'm sure that there's some people who
0:42:06 --> 0:42:11 exacerbate certain problems in order to get divisionary responses or
0:42:11 --> 0:42:14 rage bait or what have you. People have very different
0:42:14 --> 0:42:17 world views, but it's very very feminist coded language, very
0:42:17 --> 0:42:21 communist coded language. I do actually agree with that, because
0:42:21 --> 0:42:23 I see it over and over and over again, and
0:42:23 --> 0:42:26 you'll hear this in that particular movement all the time.
0:42:26 --> 0:42:31 There's no right left paradigm. The right left dialectic is false.
0:42:31 --> 0:42:34 The right left paradigm is false. It's like, no, it's
0:42:34 --> 0:42:37 not it's not false. I don't know how you think
0:42:37 --> 0:42:41 that I'm going to just like suddenly unite with ninety
0:42:41 --> 0:42:42 million abortionists.
0:42:43 --> 0:42:44 How do you think that works?
0:42:44 --> 0:42:46 Like, I'm just going to go, oh, okay, well, you're right,
0:42:46 --> 0:42:48 the elites are keeping us down. I'm going to go
0:42:48 --> 0:42:52 over there and unite with ninety million abortionists who want
0:42:52 --> 0:42:55 abortion legal and want to continue to murder children, you know,
0:42:55 --> 0:42:58 for the next you know, however long the rest of
0:42:58 --> 0:42:59 my existence.
0:42:59 --> 0:43:01 Right. No, I don't think show. I don't think I'm
0:43:01 --> 0:43:01 going to do that.
0:43:01 --> 0:43:04 Actually, yeah, well, which is why your observation that they're
0:43:04 --> 0:43:07 partnering with some of these act blue groups I think
0:43:07 --> 0:43:10 is really apt and was a was a keen insight
0:43:10 --> 0:43:13 that you injected into the discourse, because it completely it
0:43:13 --> 0:43:16 is feminist coded. It is it is left coded, and
0:43:16 --> 0:43:19 it's horrible, and I just want you know, people watching
0:43:19 --> 0:43:22 to understand that we've had like low level staff had
0:43:22 --> 0:43:25 to have you know, cops parked out in front of
0:43:25 --> 0:43:27 their homes because they got docs.
0:43:27 --> 0:43:30 And mention you were mentioning that power to just you know,
0:43:30 --> 0:43:33 sick a giant mob on people. That I was talking
0:43:33 --> 0:43:35 to a member of our staff who was featured in
0:43:35 --> 0:43:38 one of our recent episodes and he had not seen
0:43:38 --> 0:43:40 the episode and didn't know what it said. And he
0:43:40 --> 0:43:43 just goes like, Blake, was I was I the topic
0:43:43 --> 0:43:46 today because I can tell because I get the unsolicited
0:43:47 --> 0:43:50 Facebook messages, I get the unsolicited the text messages start
0:43:50 --> 0:43:51 to come.
0:43:51 --> 0:43:52 And all floods in.
0:43:52 --> 0:43:56 So he knows when he's been a character in the
0:43:56 --> 0:43:57 stuff that they're.
0:43:57 --> 0:44:00 Doing soap opera. This this drip drip, drip, drip drip.
0:44:00 --> 0:44:03 And I do want to actually address that, you know,
0:44:03 --> 0:44:08 because before the debate, you reached out. And this is
0:44:08 --> 0:44:10 one of the reasons that Candice has said that you
0:44:10 --> 0:44:13 were our horse or whatever. Again, Andrew did this of
0:44:13 --> 0:44:16 his own accord. He's been on this since before I
0:44:16 --> 0:44:19 even knew he existed. He was debating people about this
0:44:19 --> 0:44:22 before I even knew who you were. But you did
0:44:22 --> 0:44:25 reach out before the debate and you said, hey, I've
0:44:25 --> 0:44:29 got some questions. Do you have any evidence about some
0:44:29 --> 0:44:31 of this stuff? Now, some of the stuff we didn't
0:44:31 --> 0:44:35 even know about internally because it was like on Charlie's
0:44:35 --> 0:44:38 phone and you know, Erica looked on the wrong apps.
0:44:38 --> 0:44:42 It was this text exchange and you read it at
0:44:42 --> 0:44:45 the beginning in your opening comments. You have not disclosed
0:44:45 --> 0:44:48 it publicly, and I have told the team that it's
0:44:48 --> 0:44:51 yours to disclose at the timing that you wish, and
0:44:51 --> 0:44:53 you've said you're going to disclose that on Friday. But
0:44:53 --> 0:44:56 that was something that I wasn't even fully aware of
0:44:56 --> 0:45:02 the language that Charlie used, which was he was concerned about.
0:45:02 --> 0:45:05 The left and he was very specific about it. Now,
0:45:05 --> 0:45:08 the thing that was interesting, it didn't shock me a
0:45:08 --> 0:45:12 bit because when I went back and looked at all
0:45:12 --> 0:45:15 of Kirk's public tweets and when he would do public
0:45:15 --> 0:45:19 speaking and interviews. If you're talking about Bill Maher for instance,
0:45:19 --> 0:45:22 where he calls them the purple haired Taliban, if you
0:45:22 --> 0:45:25 look at his tweets where he says that he's concerned
0:45:25 --> 0:45:28 that leftists are attempting to kill and murder him, that
0:45:29 --> 0:45:32 doesn't surprise me at all. Why Because I received tons
0:45:32 --> 0:45:36 and tons and tons of death threats from leftists and
0:45:36 --> 0:45:37 it's constant.
0:45:37 --> 0:45:39 Now they've gotten smarter about coding it.
0:45:39 --> 0:45:42 They'll usually say things like I hope you want to
0:45:42 --> 0:45:44 live yourself, or I hope you get what's coming to you.
0:45:44 --> 0:45:46 What's coming to you is coming soon. But it's all
0:45:46 --> 0:45:49 coded language for threats. Let's not kid ourselves. And so
0:45:49 --> 0:45:51 the interesting part here is like it didn't shock me
0:45:51 --> 0:45:56 a bit because Kirk's entire pattern when I went back
0:45:56 --> 0:46:01 and reviewed it, was he was really, really, really concerned
0:46:01 --> 0:46:03 a leftist was going to kill him. And then it
0:46:04 --> 0:46:06 looks at least appears at the moment based on all
0:46:06 --> 0:46:10 the evidence that one did that that's exactly what happened.
0:46:10 --> 0:46:12 That we as were completely justified.
0:46:12 --> 0:46:15 Andrew, we have stories specifically about this. The only time
0:46:15 --> 0:46:21 I ever saw Charlie remove somebody because because sometimes security
0:46:21 --> 0:46:23 somebody who's acting up and we didn't even hear about
0:46:23 --> 0:46:25 it until after the fact, security will remove somebody or
0:46:25 --> 0:46:27 whatever from an event. The only time I ever saw
0:46:27 --> 0:46:31 Charlie say that person needs to go was when he
0:46:31 --> 0:46:36 personally felt unsafe around a trans person at one of
0:46:36 --> 0:46:38 the events and he was like, I don't feel safe
0:46:38 --> 0:46:40 that person needs sensedless.
0:46:40 --> 0:46:41 For years.
0:46:41 --> 0:46:44 Shortly after I started working with you guys, a spring
0:46:44 --> 0:46:48 twenty three was the Covenant shooting Nashville, and Charlie said, like,
0:46:48 --> 0:46:50 this is going to be the first. There's going to
0:46:50 --> 0:46:51 be a lot of these, and I was skeptical. I
0:46:51 --> 0:46:54 was like, I remember these are a rare contrarian on
0:46:54 --> 0:46:56 that Australia. I was like, shootings are rare, and it's
0:46:56 --> 0:46:59 you know, if they're taking feminizing hormones, that's gonna make
0:46:59 --> 0:47:00 you less likely to do.
0:47:00 --> 0:47:01 Shooty type stuff.
0:47:02 --> 0:47:05 And I was totally wrong, because there started to be
0:47:05 --> 0:47:07 more of those. There was one we were I remember
0:47:07 --> 0:47:10 him saying like a trans person might do it. This
0:47:10 --> 0:47:12 was not a text, otherwise I'd show it, but it
0:47:12 --> 0:47:16 was in person. Because a few days before September tenth,
0:47:16 --> 0:47:19 there was one up in Canada, I believe where again
0:47:19 --> 0:47:20 it was one of the I think it was an
0:47:21 --> 0:47:25 MTF and they went nuts and shot up their school
0:47:25 --> 0:47:26 or some sort of function.
0:47:26 --> 0:47:29 And I think the family. Anyways, Yeah, and we were
0:47:29 --> 0:47:32 so before we do these tours, we would put together
0:47:32 --> 0:47:35 these binders. The team would work on binders. Different people
0:47:35 --> 0:47:38 would get different topics, and it was for him to
0:47:38 --> 0:47:42 study right talking points, stats, new surveys that came out,
0:47:43 --> 0:47:49 and for the fall semester, his express direction to the
0:47:49 --> 0:47:52 team was don't put trans stuff in the binder, and
0:47:52 --> 0:47:55 he wanted to go easy on that subject. After the election.
0:47:55 --> 0:47:57 Didn't feel like he wanted to say it. Na the
0:47:57 --> 0:48:00 Bear were winning that one, and he was. He was
0:48:00 --> 0:48:04 legitimately worried about that specific topic. So there's yeah, there's
0:48:04 --> 0:48:06 actually the bill marklip and.
0:48:06 --> 0:48:09 There's actually a major part of this that you guys
0:48:09 --> 0:48:13 may not actually know about. For that justifies Kirk's fear
0:48:13 --> 0:48:16 of this even more. And I don't know if you
0:48:16 --> 0:48:18 knew about this or not, but it did happen once
0:48:18 --> 0:48:23 upon a time on Twitch politics and on YouTube there
0:48:23 --> 0:48:26 was a lunatic named Keffel's who was utilizing the t
0:48:26 --> 0:48:31 mob to deplatform any creator who spoke out against tea
0:48:31 --> 0:48:34 hormones and things like this towards children. They were referred
0:48:34 --> 0:48:36 to as the t mob, right They call them the
0:48:36 --> 0:48:40 trans mob for a reason, and that's exactly what they did,
0:48:40 --> 0:48:44 and they would deplatform, they would silence all opposition, and
0:48:44 --> 0:48:46 it was bad, like they didn't even want to say
0:48:46 --> 0:48:49 a word about it, because they would just instantly mass report,
0:48:49 --> 0:48:51 you'd be deplatformed, that would be the end of view.
0:48:52 --> 0:48:55 So these people were beginning their approach for these kind
0:48:56 --> 0:48:59 of mass campaigns against right wingers before it ever even
0:49:00 --> 0:49:04 earned into the violence that you saw. It started online
0:49:04 --> 0:49:07 with the platforming and on personing. So there's actually a
0:49:07 --> 0:49:11 lot more to give that credit than you might even think.
0:49:12 --> 0:49:13 No, and we, by the way, that's how we ran
0:49:14 --> 0:49:17 Charlie's YouTube, just so everybody's clear, we're never allowed to
0:49:17 --> 0:49:21 go into that topic because he did get demonetized. I
0:49:21 --> 0:49:24 believe the team can fact check me on it, but
0:49:24 --> 0:49:27 I believe it was over that topic. Different things for
0:49:27 --> 0:49:30 different platforms like Facebook, it was climate change YouTube, it
0:49:30 --> 0:49:32 was always the trans stuff anyway, So we were very
0:49:33 --> 0:49:36 very careful about that specific topic. So just another piece
0:49:36 --> 0:49:40 of evidence behind what you're talking about here, Andrew. So
0:49:40 --> 0:49:43 an hour has gone by very very quickly here, and
0:49:44 --> 0:49:47 we're going to sign off for our Real America's Voice
0:49:48 --> 0:49:50 family here in just about a minute and a half.
0:49:51 --> 0:49:54 But I think to wrap this up and then we're
0:49:54 --> 0:49:56 going to transition. We'll keep going and you get to
0:49:57 --> 0:49:59 then ask us questions because that's what we agreed to,
0:49:59 --> 0:50:01 and we're an open books so you can feel free
0:50:01 --> 0:50:02 to ask.
0:50:02 --> 0:50:04 And if he would like, I can always you know,
0:50:04 --> 0:50:07 if you want to keep it within the time constraints,
0:50:07 --> 0:50:09 we can always come back next week and I can
0:50:09 --> 0:50:13 ask lest you sure, what about the drip drip Andrew,
0:50:13 --> 0:50:14 don't you want to do the drip now?
0:50:14 --> 0:50:17 I'm kidding, We can do the drip drip. That's actually
0:50:17 --> 0:50:19 you do the drip drive. By the way, the team
0:50:19 --> 0:50:23 confirms we were demonetized and Charlie was demonetized and had
0:50:23 --> 0:50:25 his account blocked on YouTube because of trance.
0:50:26 --> 0:50:29 So is me, Well, that doesn't surprise me because you
0:50:29 --> 0:50:31 were dealing with the t mob for a long time.
0:50:31 --> 0:50:34 One of the fact checkers I had there, Rob Norr,
0:50:35 --> 0:50:37 very close friend of mine. He was the same gentleman
0:50:37 --> 0:50:38 who went out and it's just to me with the debate.
0:50:38 --> 0:50:40 I got me for the pick up the mic. Very
0:50:41 --> 0:50:45 very very nice guy. And he was demonetized for several
0:50:45 --> 0:50:49 years on and off due to the fact that he
0:50:49 --> 0:50:53 was refusing to back down from the Tea mafia and
0:50:53 --> 0:50:55 was making fun of them so much so he dealt
0:50:55 --> 0:50:58 with that himself quite a bit. What we ended up
0:50:58 --> 0:51:00 having to do on YouTube was just take it off
0:51:00 --> 0:51:02 YouTube and go to alternative platforms if we even wanted
0:51:02 --> 0:51:07 to discuss it. That's how powerful that lobby became. Until
0:51:07 --> 0:51:08 right wingers began breaking it up.
0:51:09 --> 0:51:12 We stopped streaming Charlie's show on YouTube. We would only
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0:52:41 --> 0:52:45 Andrew Wilson, we continue with him. It feels kind of
0:52:45 --> 0:52:49 like we're transitioning over to your word crazy whop woop whoops,
0:52:49 --> 0:52:52 on to the crucible. You're you're gonna drive And I
0:52:52 --> 0:52:57 guess we're the we're the the the guests here, so
0:52:58 --> 0:53:01 we are men of our words. So the floor is yours. Yeah.
0:53:02 --> 0:53:05 One of the reasons that I agreed to do the
0:53:05 --> 0:53:09 interview is because my own audience has had many questions
0:53:09 --> 0:53:15 about this since I began discussing these these lunatics online essentially,
0:53:15 --> 0:53:18 and that's what I consider them to be. And I
0:53:18 --> 0:53:19 thought that maybe if they heard a lot of what
0:53:20 --> 0:53:22 I had heard, that they would kind of understand my
0:53:23 --> 0:53:25 thought process and how I got to some of these inductions.
0:53:26 --> 0:53:28 And so I'd like to start by going all the
0:53:28 --> 0:53:30 way back, and maybe you can tell us actually what
0:53:30 --> 0:53:34 the relationship was between Candace Owens and Charlie Kirk, What
0:53:34 --> 0:53:34 actually was it.
0:53:35 --> 0:53:37 Yeah, I'd like to go first there, even though you
0:53:37 --> 0:53:40 have far more to say, Andrew, because I can just
0:53:40 --> 0:53:44 speak from my perspective as someone who arrived late twenty
0:53:44 --> 0:53:47 two moved out here in twenty three that I have
0:53:47 --> 0:53:51 never met Candace Owens and don't know her. Maybe I
0:53:51 --> 0:53:54 saw her in person once at a distance, maybe I
0:53:54 --> 0:53:56 shook her hand. I've never had a conversation with her
0:53:56 --> 0:53:58 to my knowledge, and I think that speaks to something
0:53:58 --> 0:54:01 because I was with Charlie for close to three years,
0:54:01 --> 0:54:04 and I feel like I met most of the people
0:54:04 --> 0:54:07 Charlie was super close with. I met donors, I met
0:54:07 --> 0:54:10 his family members, I met his team, I met a
0:54:10 --> 0:54:13 lot and I don't know, Candace, So I like to
0:54:13 --> 0:54:14 use that as a preface.
0:54:14 --> 0:54:16 But you have more that you can say about that.
0:54:16 --> 0:54:19 Yeah, and Blake, you have that great video that ever
0:54:19 --> 0:54:22 replays of you reacting to Candace.
0:54:22 --> 0:54:25 You're, oh, yeah, where I'm kind of like raising my eyebrow.
0:54:25 --> 0:54:29 It's fair to say Blake was early on the on
0:54:29 --> 0:54:34 the being suspicious train. Yeah, if you go back far enough.
0:54:34 --> 0:54:36 I mean that's why I mean I put out that
0:54:36 --> 0:54:40 tweet basically saying, you know, Candace, your central foundational lie
0:54:40 --> 0:54:42 is that you and Charlie were friends. You were not friends, right?
0:54:43 --> 0:54:45 It showed me something from recent you know, the end
0:54:46 --> 0:54:48 of Charlie's life, the last twelve months or whatever. I
0:54:48 --> 0:54:50 think she's she And then I said eighteen months, twenty
0:54:50 --> 0:54:53 four months. I think she showed something at twenty two months,
0:54:53 --> 0:54:57 and so I got community noted, right, Okay, whatever. What
0:54:57 --> 0:55:00 I can tell you is that I think Charlie and
0:55:00 --> 0:55:03 Candace were friends back in twenty eighteen part of twenty
0:55:03 --> 0:55:08 nineteen that did not end well at all. Actually, could
0:55:08 --> 0:55:09 you do details there?
0:55:09 --> 0:55:11 Even I would like to hear that, like what caused
0:55:11 --> 0:55:12 her to depart?
0:55:12 --> 0:55:15 If we can say, well, I mean here there's two
0:55:15 --> 0:55:17 things really, and part of it is you got to
0:55:17 --> 0:55:19 give credit where it's due. She was a rising star.
0:55:19 --> 0:55:23 She was growing really fast. You know, Charlie famously sort
0:55:23 --> 0:55:25 of offered her a job. What did you sorry if
0:55:25 --> 0:55:27 I missed something that you said? Andrew?
0:55:28 --> 0:55:29 Oh okay, oh you're good.
0:55:29 --> 0:55:32 Yeah, So she was, you know, Charlie offered her a
0:55:32 --> 0:55:35 job basically right on meeting her. Kind of saw that
0:55:35 --> 0:55:39 she was somebody that could help turning point, help the movement,
0:55:39 --> 0:55:43 in his opinion, and then they you know, she explodes
0:55:43 --> 0:55:46 onto the scene. You know, Kanye had that tweet whereas like,
0:55:46 --> 0:55:48 I like the way Candas Owens thinks and it was
0:55:49 --> 0:55:51 kind of like a rocket ship, right, and then they
0:55:51 --> 0:55:54 had but but she became more and more difficult to
0:55:54 --> 0:55:58 work with, more and more issues with the team, and
0:55:58 --> 0:55:59 then she had that.
0:56:00 --> 0:56:02 When you say difficult to work with, what do you mean?
0:56:03 --> 0:56:06 I think? You know, she was very aware of her
0:56:06 --> 0:56:10 rising star power, and so she started exerting more demands
0:56:10 --> 0:56:14 on timing, on where she could be deployed, what schools it.
0:56:15 --> 0:56:17 So she was becoming like a prima donna.
0:56:17 --> 0:56:19 You could use that. That's what I've heard. I've definitely
0:56:19 --> 0:56:21 heard complaints from people who have worked with yeah, and
0:56:21 --> 0:56:24 that that continued on after when we started working with her.
0:56:24 --> 0:56:28 Later on just you know, I think she canceled an
0:56:29 --> 0:56:32 event with us, and our event team still tells the story,
0:56:32 --> 0:56:35 you know, like the day before and we had to
0:56:35 --> 0:56:37 scramble to get it replaced because you know, she ended
0:56:38 --> 0:56:40 up in like France with Kanye or something the next day,
0:56:41 --> 0:56:45 and so so anyways, the point is that it was
0:56:45 --> 0:56:49 just an ongoing kind of growing frustration, and then she
0:56:49 --> 0:56:51 had that event where she basically said Hitler was great
0:56:52 --> 0:56:56 if you just would have stayed, you know in uh Germany,
0:56:56 --> 0:56:59 Germany stated Germany, which you know, there's a lot of
0:56:59 --> 0:57:02 now to be to be fair and charitable here, right,
0:57:02 --> 0:57:05 just to be as unbiased as possible.
0:57:05 --> 0:57:07 I went, I did go back and review that clip,
0:57:08 --> 0:57:11 as that seemed like it was the turning point.
0:57:11 --> 0:57:15 For turning point? Was that actual clip? Sure, it didn't.
0:57:15 --> 0:57:19 It seemed to me that she wasn't actually trying to
0:57:19 --> 0:57:24 make any sort of like apologetics for Hitler, but rather
0:57:24 --> 0:57:28 she was trying to make a comparison to nationalism and
0:57:28 --> 0:57:30 saying that as a nationalist she thought he did a
0:57:30 --> 0:57:33 good job. And that was and then you know, she
0:57:33 --> 0:57:36 basically just kind of misspoke and buried herself with that
0:57:37 --> 0:57:40 that particular lead. But obviously it became a massive pr
0:57:41 --> 0:57:43 nightmare for turning point right.
0:57:43 --> 0:57:44 That's that's how that ended up playing out.
0:57:44 --> 0:57:45 Well.
0:57:45 --> 0:57:47 I think it's one of those statements where you can
0:57:47 --> 0:57:51 defend it and then you know, in isolation, and then
0:57:52 --> 0:57:55 events afterwards I think lend greater clarity to it.
0:57:55 --> 0:57:56 It was part of a whole.
0:57:56 --> 0:57:58 Yeah, Like the defense you could make is, oh, she
0:57:58 --> 0:58:01 just meant, oh, he wanted Germany's economy to grow, he
0:58:01 --> 0:58:06 wanted to undo Versailles. She didn't mean the weird kill
0:58:06 --> 0:58:09 all the juice, except then twenty twenty three, twenty twenty
0:58:09 --> 0:58:13 four she actually becomes obsessed with the Jews all the time.
0:58:14 --> 0:58:15 Yeah, I would say it was part of a whole
0:58:15 --> 0:58:17 though to your point, yeah, you could. If that was
0:58:17 --> 0:58:19 a one off, you probably could have defended it. But
0:58:19 --> 0:58:21 then we had a bunch of chapters that were really
0:58:21 --> 0:58:23 up in arms about it. And then you had this
0:58:23 --> 0:58:26 I think it was a christ Church shooter in New
0:58:26 --> 0:58:29 Zealand that, like said she was this guy was inspired
0:58:29 --> 0:58:31 by Candace. It was like a whole bunch of stuff,
0:58:31 --> 0:58:34 and so it didn't. It didn't leave on good terms.
0:58:34 --> 0:58:38 And but you know, Charlie, being a gentleman, wanted to
0:58:38 --> 0:58:42 make sure that the transition happened in a I guess
0:58:42 --> 0:58:44 you would say, like a kind of a soft landing
0:58:45 --> 0:58:48 sort of way. Tyler Boyer helped her start blexit and
0:58:48 --> 0:58:51 file the paperwork. I think the the original paperwork was
0:58:51 --> 0:58:54 file filed at Tyler's house at the time, is the
0:58:54 --> 0:58:57 story I've heard, but who knows the details. And you know,
0:58:57 --> 0:59:01 provided her with some donor money and donor contacts, and
0:59:02 --> 0:59:07 there was some some issues there as well. You know. Anyways,
0:59:07 --> 0:59:09 the point is there was a lot of I think
0:59:09 --> 0:59:12 hurt feelings. It didn't end well. But Charlie's always a
0:59:12 --> 0:59:15 guy that is willing to sort of let byguns be bygunes.
0:59:15 --> 0:59:19 He was always focused on the greater mission, the movement.
0:59:19 --> 0:59:23 It was not right, yeah, it's a coalition builder, and
0:59:23 --> 0:59:26 he wouldn't focus on internet feuds. He never got into that.
0:59:26 --> 0:59:29 One of the reasons that we were probably slow to
0:59:29 --> 0:59:30 respond to some of this stuff is because we were
0:59:30 --> 0:59:34 trying to emulate what Charlie would do, which was he
0:59:34 --> 0:59:36 would all he I mean, people would attack him all
0:59:36 --> 0:59:39 the time and he would just kind of like be like, hey,
0:59:39 --> 0:59:41 we're gonna rise above it, We're gonna be we're gonna
0:59:41 --> 0:59:43 keep doing good work. And that's the way, that's the
0:59:43 --> 0:59:45 way forward. And I mean, eventually, at some point it
0:59:45 --> 0:59:48 becomes impossible to do that right in this instant, it's
0:59:48 --> 0:59:49 it's it's.
0:59:49 --> 0:59:52 Genuinely sad in that I think she and others were
0:59:52 --> 0:59:56 able to take advantage of Charlie's own goodness as a
0:59:56 --> 0:59:59 person that if he has differences with someone, he's usually
0:59:59 --> 1:00:01 going to operate privately.
1:00:01 --> 1:00:03 He's not going to speak about it.
1:00:03 --> 1:00:06 I mean, we know plenty of other cases where Charlie
1:00:06 --> 1:00:09 had drama with donors and he wouldn't wouldn't even necessarily
1:00:09 --> 1:00:11 share it with other people in the organization, because he
1:00:11 --> 1:00:15 wasn't a guy who was just spewing out, you know,
1:00:15 --> 1:00:19 his problems, his beefs, his concerns, his feuds, and a
1:00:19 --> 1:00:22 good bridge builder because he would repair things with people later.
1:00:22 --> 1:00:26 Yeah, well, these things would be essentially counterintuitive if you're
1:00:26 --> 1:00:30 trying to have this massive reach of coalition building for
1:00:30 --> 1:00:33 the purpose of winning elections, and nobody takes away from
1:00:33 --> 1:00:37 from Charlie Kirk or turning point USA that they likely
1:00:37 --> 1:00:41 assisted a great deal in Trump's election, which means that
1:00:41 --> 1:00:45 this coalition building that they did actually worked quite well.
1:00:45 --> 1:00:48 So I don't think that there's any you know, anybody's
1:00:48 --> 1:00:51 disputing any of that. The main question just becomes this
1:00:51 --> 1:00:55 one of the kind of landing pad for these people
1:00:56 --> 1:01:00 is they start with the assumption that Candice Owens and
1:01:00 --> 1:01:03 Charlie Kirk were besties. They were great buds, they were
1:01:03 --> 1:01:07 the besties of the all besties. They were great friends,
1:01:07 --> 1:01:10 and they always were great friends, and she's just trying
1:01:10 --> 1:01:14 to find out what happened to her friend. But that narrative,
1:01:14 --> 1:01:16 as I learned when I was there, actually is not
1:01:17 --> 1:01:19 in fact true. And so that's what I'm asking you
1:01:19 --> 1:01:22 to speak to, is it, you know, is there any
1:01:22 --> 1:01:24 real truth to that narrative at all?
1:01:24 --> 1:01:28 No, And especially at the end, I would say, you know, okay,
1:01:28 --> 1:01:30 maybe twenty two months was the cutoff. I don't know
1:01:31 --> 1:01:34 what the cutoff was exactly, but no, I said online,
1:01:34 --> 1:01:37 and I'll say it again, Charlie was basically managing that relationship.
1:01:37 --> 1:01:40 He saw what she did to the Daily Wire, She
1:01:40 --> 1:01:42 saw that, you know that that was became.
1:01:42 --> 1:01:44 A spout where he originally sided with her.
1:01:44 --> 1:01:47 Yeah, and that he did because in our history with
1:01:47 --> 1:01:50 Daily Wire was you know, mixed, right, We had differences
1:01:50 --> 1:01:53 of opinion politically, we weren't always sure you know, where
1:01:53 --> 1:01:56 that relationship sat. But Charlie, it's a great example though.
1:01:56 --> 1:01:58 Charlie was the one who invited Ben to speak at
1:01:58 --> 1:02:01 Amfest and twenty twenty four and twenty twenty five. He
1:02:01 --> 1:02:04 personally invited him, and so he was willing to kind
1:02:05 --> 1:02:07 of say, hey, what's in the best interest of the movement.
1:02:07 --> 1:02:10 Do we have eighty percent agreement in twenty percent disagreement? Okay, cool,
1:02:11 --> 1:02:14 let's let's do this together. And so, yeah, they were
1:02:14 --> 1:02:18 not in any way, shape or form friends in any
1:02:18 --> 1:02:21 traditional sense. But I think what would happen was, you know,
1:02:22 --> 1:02:24 for example, I would have to have the hard conversations
1:02:25 --> 1:02:27 with Canvas, So that would that would fall to me
1:02:27 --> 1:02:30 or justin on the team saying, hey, you can't speak
1:02:30 --> 1:02:34 at our events because you've been like juice burging too much. Sorry,
1:02:34 --> 1:02:37 you know, and then you'd to talk with George and
1:02:37 --> 1:02:39 all this stuff. And he would send her like a
1:02:39 --> 1:02:43 nice text about, hey, I see you know, attendance at
1:02:43 --> 1:02:46 Catholic churches is going up, right, So that was kind
1:02:46 --> 1:02:48 of basically the way the relationship work. But she didn't
1:02:48 --> 1:02:50 come to his wedding. She you know, she didn't come
1:02:50 --> 1:02:53 to the memorial. I did actually invite her to the memorial,
1:02:53 --> 1:02:57 but she didn't come. I invited her in George, not
1:02:57 --> 1:03:00 to speak, but to attend, right, And that was before
1:03:01 --> 1:03:05 everything got really crazy. But I will tell you, you know, Charlie,
1:03:05 --> 1:03:08 this is another proof point. Charlie. She called at some point,
1:03:08 --> 1:03:11 I believe it was February twenty twenty four, things were
1:03:11 --> 1:03:14 getting going bad with Daily Wire and she needed her
1:03:14 --> 1:03:18 own pr and Charlie said, Andrew, you need to to
1:03:18 --> 1:03:20 do this and help Candace. I was like, I don't
1:03:20 --> 1:03:24 know about that. I have some misgivings, some pretty serious misgivings.
1:03:25 --> 1:03:27 And he was like, you know, he wanted me to
1:03:27 --> 1:03:31 keep her, you know, close, to help protect the organization,
1:03:31 --> 1:03:33 you know, And that was one of the one of
1:03:33 --> 1:03:36 his strategies. And so and I hate sharing this stuff
1:03:36 --> 1:03:39 because I like to keep Charlie's private stuff private, but
1:03:40 --> 1:03:44 like when it you are constantly confronted with these allegations,
1:03:44 --> 1:03:46 at some point, you just what do you You're backed
1:03:46 --> 1:03:47 against the wall.
1:03:47 --> 1:03:50 Yeah, and I remember the truth is it was a
1:03:50 --> 1:03:54 gradual process. So Charlie was taking candas aside that video
1:03:54 --> 1:03:56 you mentioned where I, you know, kind of have a
1:03:56 --> 1:03:59 funny look on my face that's happening, where Candace was
1:03:59 --> 1:04:01 on our way out the wire and he was siding
1:04:01 --> 1:04:05 with her, and I was telling him, Charlie, I don't
1:04:05 --> 1:04:07 think Candace has gone beyond the pale yet, but I
1:04:07 --> 1:04:11 think eventually she will. Early on seeing this process play out,
1:04:11 --> 1:04:13 it tends to not go part way in that.
1:04:14 --> 1:04:16 I remember Blake kept predicting like she's on a bad
1:04:16 --> 1:04:19 trajectory here, Charlie, like this is not gonna end well.
1:04:19 --> 1:04:22 And I love that about Charlie. Charlie was always sort
1:04:22 --> 1:04:25 of like hoping for a redemption arc, hoping that he
1:04:25 --> 1:04:27 could pull somebody back in and get them into the fold.
1:04:28 --> 1:04:30 And he always held out a little bit of hope
1:04:30 --> 1:04:30 in that way.
1:04:30 --> 1:04:32 So and so you say, and so you saw this
1:04:32 --> 1:04:35 where it's like stuff breaks down. So I think even
1:04:35 --> 1:04:41 in spring of twenty four, she was doing events with us. Yeah,
1:04:41 --> 1:04:43 the standard where Charlie's west of the Mississippi, she's east
1:04:43 --> 1:04:44 of Mississippi.
1:04:44 --> 1:04:46 That goes away because she's.
1:04:46 --> 1:04:51 Going two nuts, and you know, the communication is becoming less.
1:04:51 --> 1:04:54 The appearances are becoming less, and he's still He's not
1:04:54 --> 1:04:57 gonna go out and say Candace is terrible. Now I'm
1:04:57 --> 1:04:59 gonna dump on her. That's just not the nature of
1:04:59 --> 1:05:00 what charl he was doing.
1:05:00 --> 1:05:02 He would never do that. And I don't know if
1:05:02 --> 1:05:04 we've answered your question, but I mean, there's there's a
1:05:04 --> 1:05:05 lot there.
1:05:05 --> 1:05:07 But I think you I think you did the team.
1:05:08 --> 1:05:10 The team. You could ask anybody on the team, by
1:05:10 --> 1:05:13 the way, like from the events team to the field
1:05:13 --> 1:05:14 team to like I did.
1:05:15 --> 1:05:17 But I did ask around when I was there. I
1:05:17 --> 1:05:20 was curious, right, you know me, I can't help myself.
1:05:20 --> 1:05:23 I'm I didn't actually see you asking, but I wasn't
1:05:23 --> 1:05:27 there the whole time, but I I'm it's fascinating that
1:05:27 --> 1:05:28 you did. So.
1:05:28 --> 1:05:31 Yeah, I always, uh, you know, I'm always trying to
1:05:31 --> 1:05:34 dot my eyes and cross my t's. I'm a curious
1:05:34 --> 1:05:37 person by nature. But I do I do want to
1:05:37 --> 1:05:44 ask this too. So moving forward in September, right, these
1:05:44 --> 1:05:48 attacks didn't seem like they were they were all that prominent.
1:05:48 --> 1:05:50 Yet she didn't seem like she was moving.
1:05:50 --> 1:05:55 Over to kind of a vicious attack of TPUSA until
1:05:55 --> 1:06:00 until slightly later than September October. Yeah, the question becomes like,
1:06:00 --> 1:06:06 what happened in that period? Did you have communication with her?
1:06:06 --> 1:06:08 Were you talking to her? Were you concerned about her
1:06:08 --> 1:06:11 safety this type of thing? What was the Yeah, what
1:06:11 --> 1:06:15 was the interim there that caused her to move into
1:06:16 --> 1:06:20 we have to destroy TPUSA? Like what actually happened there?
1:06:20 --> 1:06:23 Well, that's man, you're tempting me to share something I
1:06:23 --> 1:06:30 haven't shared before. But so I immediately was in touch with Candice.
1:06:30 --> 1:06:35 I so again reminding you in the audience, I was
1:06:36 --> 1:06:38 one of the people tasked with sort of, you know,
1:06:39 --> 1:06:41 being her point of contact with the ORG for a
1:06:41 --> 1:06:48 number of years. And I so, you know, when everything happened,
1:06:48 --> 1:06:53 initially you're sort of it feels like the whole slatest
1:06:53 --> 1:06:56 wipe clean. You have new beginnings. This terrible thing has
1:06:56 --> 1:06:58 just happened, and you're reaching out to people and talking
1:06:58 --> 1:07:01 to people, they're reaching out to you, you and it's
1:07:01 --> 1:07:04 just an overwhelming sense of like we're all living through
1:07:04 --> 1:07:07 this tragedy together. Bygones, be bygones, water under the bridge. Okay,
1:07:08 --> 1:07:11 it's been tense, We've had our differences, but we just
1:07:11 --> 1:07:14 lost Charlie. And you know, I think there you're you're
1:07:14 --> 1:07:17 operating under a place of hope that you know, we're
1:07:17 --> 1:07:20 all in this together. And so I was very happy
1:07:20 --> 1:07:23 in those immediate in the immediate aftermath to communicate with
1:07:23 --> 1:07:25 with Candice and share what I knew and share what
1:07:25 --> 1:07:28 facts were coming in. And I was, you know, really
1:07:28 --> 1:07:30 worried about her safety, especially that day of there was
1:07:30 --> 1:07:33 rumors floating around that I was later told were uh,
1:07:34 --> 1:07:37 disinformation that they were maybe targeting her and Tucker and
1:07:38 --> 1:07:42 maybe even Megan Kelly. And apparently that just turned out
1:07:42 --> 1:07:47 to be misinformation, but presumably maybe Russian. I don't know so,
1:07:47 --> 1:07:49 but you know, people were picking stuff up send it
1:07:49 --> 1:07:51 to me. I wanted to make sure she was aware
1:07:51 --> 1:07:54 of those potential threats, and then we just kept talking.
1:07:54 --> 1:07:58 And you know what, I think the the I think
1:07:58 --> 1:08:02 that we stopped communication in October because it just became
1:08:02 --> 1:08:06 extraordinarily clear that this was heading in a terrible direction
1:08:06 --> 1:08:10 and she was no longer operating in good faith. But
1:08:10 --> 1:08:12 I remember one conversation, it was probably like five or
1:08:12 --> 1:08:16 six days after and I remember I had flown to DC.
1:08:17 --> 1:08:21 We had jd Vance hosted Charlie's show on that Monday
1:08:21 --> 1:08:25 after so Charlie was killed on a Wednesday, and then
1:08:25 --> 1:08:27 JD hosts the show on the Monday. So I remember
1:08:27 --> 1:08:29 I flew back landed in the airport and I believe
1:08:29 --> 1:08:31 I was talking to Canvas and she said something that
1:08:31 --> 1:08:36 I've not publicly communicated yet, but basically was it was
1:08:36 --> 1:08:40 that if the wrong people take over the organization, and
1:08:40 --> 1:08:44 she said this, I'll never forget it. She says, I
1:08:44 --> 1:08:47 will burn down that organization. I swear to God, point
1:08:48 --> 1:08:50 turning point, if the wrong people. And I just assumed
1:08:50 --> 1:08:52 because she was very obviously.
1:08:52 --> 1:08:55 This time, like there was five days.
1:08:55 --> 1:08:57 Six days after whatever it was, she said, I'm going
1:08:57 --> 1:08:59 to burn down that organization. I swear to God, and
1:08:59 --> 1:09:02 I just thought she meant if the Jews take over.
1:09:02 --> 1:09:03 So Ben Shapiro, that's just saying name Ben.
1:09:04 --> 1:09:06 People were throwing out because Ben Shapiro had appeared on
1:09:06 --> 1:09:08 the show. Some people ran with like Ben Shapiro has
1:09:08 --> 1:09:10 now taken over Turner.
1:09:10 --> 1:09:11 I don't know if he appeared on that. I think
1:09:11 --> 1:09:12 it was actually going to show up the next day
1:09:13 --> 1:09:16 on the Tuesday, because it went JD, the Daily Wire guys,
1:09:17 --> 1:09:20 Glenn Beck, Megan, Kelly, Tucker Cross in that first week.
1:09:21 --> 1:09:23 I don't think that you even know what you just
1:09:23 --> 1:09:26 said there and how much of a bombshell that is?
1:09:27 --> 1:09:28 Can you repeat that again?
1:09:29 --> 1:09:32 Did you just say that Candice Owens told you that
1:09:32 --> 1:09:35 if the wrong people take over TPUSA, she's going to
1:09:35 --> 1:09:37 burn it to the ground.
1:09:37 --> 1:09:40 Yeah, like five or six days after Charlie was killed.
1:09:40 --> 1:09:42 And then what did and then what did you say?
1:09:42 --> 1:09:45 I said, I told her because I knew that Charlie
1:09:45 --> 1:09:49 had told me multiple times and multiple I'll say two
1:09:49 --> 1:09:50 maybe three times I'd heard it.
1:09:50 --> 1:09:52 Then I was at Aspen when and I've said it
1:09:53 --> 1:09:55 was a miasma. This would come up in conversation in
1:09:55 --> 1:09:56 our room, would say we would.
1:09:56 --> 1:09:59 We all just knew if something happened to Charlie that
1:09:59 --> 1:10:01 eric would take over. But we didn't think that hard
1:10:01 --> 1:10:03 about it because we just kind of assumed Charlie's going
1:10:03 --> 1:10:04 to be with us for the next fifty six years.
1:10:04 --> 1:10:07 But at that point I told her before it was
1:10:07 --> 1:10:10 public information. You know, Erica, I think, is going to
1:10:10 --> 1:10:14 take over, and you know she's very conservative, she's Christian,
1:10:14 --> 1:10:17 you know, like, this is what Charlie wanted. The board
1:10:17 --> 1:10:20 was informed about this when when Charlie was alive, like
1:10:20 --> 1:10:22 this is this is what's gonna happen, Like, you don't
1:10:22 --> 1:10:24 have to go there. I remember because I chill went
1:10:25 --> 1:10:27 down my spine and I said, we don't say that
1:10:27 --> 1:10:29 candids like Eric's gonna take over. And you kind of
1:10:29 --> 1:10:35 heard her react like oh okay, okay, like it kind of.
1:10:35 --> 1:10:39 It takes on a different it takes on a different
1:10:39 --> 1:10:40 meaning over time.
1:10:40 --> 1:10:44 I think in a moment, she's going to burn it,
1:10:46 --> 1:10:47 She's going to burn it to the ground.
1:10:47 --> 1:10:51 But now it gets back. A thing I've said is
1:10:52 --> 1:10:57 I think this is a speculation on my part, And
1:10:57 --> 1:10:59 again I don't know her. This is just kind of
1:10:59 --> 1:11:02 my re on her behavior. And I've been around a
1:11:02 --> 1:11:03 lot of people and in media.
1:11:03 --> 1:11:03 And so on.
1:11:04 --> 1:11:11 I think Candace is narcissistic enough and kind of delusional enough.
1:11:12 --> 1:11:15 We mentioned we would do these campus tours where Charlie's
1:11:15 --> 1:11:18 west of the Mississippi, she's east of the Mississippi. I
1:11:18 --> 1:11:21 think Candace was able to tell her a story of
1:11:22 --> 1:11:25 I was Charlie's equal. I was the other person who
1:11:25 --> 1:11:28 did campus events just like Charlie did. I am the
1:11:28 --> 1:11:33 natural successor or replacement to Charlie. And I think she
1:11:33 --> 1:11:36 managed at some point to convince herself that she would
1:11:36 --> 1:11:37 got to call and be asked to take over Turning
1:11:37 --> 1:11:41 Point USA, and when that didn't happen, she experienced it.
1:11:41 --> 1:11:44 As a colossal ego.
1:11:43 --> 1:11:47 Injury and a lot of things flowed out of that.
1:11:47 --> 1:11:48 That's what I.
1:11:48 --> 1:11:49 Personally to be fair.
1:11:50 --> 1:11:52 To be fair here, I'm going to try to keep
1:11:53 --> 1:11:55 the speculation to a minimum.
1:11:55 --> 1:11:57 As people are often always.
1:11:57 --> 1:12:01 Speculating about other people's motivations, they often at that incorrect.
1:12:02 --> 1:12:06 I'm not sure exactly like the yeah, what the motivations are,
1:12:07 --> 1:12:10 but I can tell you that there's a huge that,
1:12:10 --> 1:12:13 like what you just said there is is incredible. She
1:12:13 --> 1:12:17 said that early on that if people took over that
1:12:17 --> 1:12:19 she didn't like, she was going to burn it to
1:12:19 --> 1:12:22 the ground. That's an incredible statement.
1:12:22 --> 1:12:23 Well you think about how.
1:12:23 --> 1:12:28 Early that it was immediately on her mind by extension
1:12:28 --> 1:12:31 and then I yeah, and so you know, I remember
1:12:31 --> 1:12:34 the first time she mentioned me on her show, and
1:12:34 --> 1:12:37 I go and I experienced the wave of like comments
1:12:37 --> 1:12:38 and you know.
1:12:38 --> 1:12:40 Searches and I can actually see it because you know,
1:12:40 --> 1:12:45 immediately afterwards, we I took steps to protect my family's
1:12:45 --> 1:12:48 personal information online. So we had we had like a
1:12:48 --> 1:12:51 company that you know helps with privacy and stuff like that.
1:12:51 --> 1:12:53 And I just actually got the Year in Review kind
1:12:53 --> 1:12:57 of like you know report, and it shows this huge
1:12:57 --> 1:13:00 spike in early October. But I think the first time
1:13:00 --> 1:13:03 she trying to get people trying to access private stuff
1:13:03 --> 1:13:05 and doing all these like weird searches on your whatever.
1:13:06 --> 1:13:09 And so I I remember, I don't know if it
1:13:09 --> 1:13:11 was late September or early October, but I text her, I, God,
1:13:11 --> 1:13:13 you just bring up to bring me up on the show,
1:13:13 --> 1:13:15 and she goes, yes, I did. I said, did you
1:13:15 --> 1:13:18 say good things are bad things? And she says good things.
1:13:18 --> 1:13:19 I told the truth. She's like, You've always been so
1:13:20 --> 1:13:24 good to me, and it was yeah, yeah, and and
1:13:24 --> 1:13:28 it's like and told she's always and I was always
1:13:28 --> 1:13:30 really nice to her, and she even some of the
1:13:30 --> 1:13:33 tweets that are texts, group chests, texts that she's shared.
1:13:34 --> 1:13:36 You know, we're being supportive and we're being in good
1:13:36 --> 1:13:40 faith and we're we're we're proceeding on as though, like
1:13:40 --> 1:13:44 like we can work together and things can can be
1:13:44 --> 1:13:47 harmonious in some way, shape or form. And again, we
1:13:47 --> 1:13:48 didn't want her to turn on the Org like she
1:13:48 --> 1:13:50 did to Daily Wire, so we were always had that
1:13:50 --> 1:13:52 in the back of our heads. But so I was
1:13:52 --> 1:13:55 always nice to her. I'm actually a nice guy, she said, Like,
1:13:55 --> 1:13:58 it's probably actually one of my flaws. But I was
1:13:58 --> 1:14:00 trying to proceed in that in that in that vein,
1:14:00 --> 1:14:05 especially after losing Charlie, you're hoping everything like blank slate,
1:14:05 --> 1:14:07 like I said, we're moving forward together, like the movement
1:14:07 --> 1:14:10 needs to coalesce, all of this in good faith and
1:14:10 --> 1:14:13 then you know, the rest is history now when we
1:14:13 --> 1:14:13 saw it, Well.
1:14:13 --> 1:14:17 Let's move backwards a little bit, if you guys don't mind,
1:14:18 --> 1:14:23 So shortly after Charlie Kirk's assassination, your first day back
1:14:23 --> 1:14:27 at the office, right, what is this like, what is
1:14:27 --> 1:14:33 the actual atmosphere like at Turning Point USA, the not
1:14:33 --> 1:14:37 just the founder and figurehead, but also close friends and
1:14:37 --> 1:14:42 in at least one case, family member is now murdered.
1:14:42 --> 1:14:46 He's been assassinated. What is the atmosphere there like at
1:14:46 --> 1:14:47 this time.
1:14:48 --> 1:14:52 Like horrible, Like it's like that scene in Saving Private
1:14:52 --> 1:14:54 Ryan where the bombs go off and just ringing. You know,
1:14:55 --> 1:14:57 it felt like you were walking through a cloud, you know,
1:14:57 --> 1:15:02 everybody crying, hugging, a lot of comforting each.
1:15:02 --> 1:15:04 Other, and at the same time, the way it's a
1:15:05 --> 1:15:10 there's so much activity because everyone's there normally not there. Yeah,
1:15:10 --> 1:15:13 there's hundreds of people outside, thousands.
1:15:13 --> 1:15:17 Actually, it became like a kind of a I don't know,
1:15:17 --> 1:15:20 like a shrine outside and people. It was like people
1:15:20 --> 1:15:21 were making still.
1:15:21 --> 1:15:23 Which they can still do, by the way, if anyone
1:15:23 --> 1:15:24 is in Phoenix.
1:15:24 --> 1:15:26 People do still. People do still come up and just
1:15:27 --> 1:15:30 pray lay flowers still to this day. But yeah, so
1:15:30 --> 1:15:32 there was just so many people around, and then like
1:15:32 --> 1:15:35 all these friends of the Org throughout the years just
1:15:35 --> 1:15:38 wanted to come, and so there was just people that
1:15:38 --> 1:15:40 aren't normally here, they were here.
1:15:40 --> 1:15:43 And there was a lot of distraction into activity because
1:15:43 --> 1:15:47 so many things needed to happen. So Erica delivers a
1:15:47 --> 1:15:52 statement from the studio. Here I believe was that was
1:15:52 --> 1:15:54 it Thursday night or Friday night, but it was very quickly.
1:15:54 --> 1:15:58 Friday night was so we came back. So so here's here,
1:15:58 --> 1:16:02 here's what I say. So I flew from California to
1:16:02 --> 1:16:06 Salt Lake with my orum, I guess provo with my
1:16:06 --> 1:16:11 wife immediately. Then JD. Vance takes all of us back
1:16:11 --> 1:16:15 down on air Force to Phoenix, which was like I
1:16:15 --> 1:16:20 still he still has my so much appreciation and gratitude
1:16:20 --> 1:16:24 I extend to him for that gesture. And I think
1:16:24 --> 1:16:28 on Thursday, I did Bannon Steve Bannon flew to Salt
1:16:28 --> 1:16:31 Lake or you know, and actually he actually wanted me
1:16:31 --> 1:16:33 to do a show, and I remember I just sobbed
1:16:33 --> 1:16:36 like a baby. Like I still think about that, like
1:16:36 --> 1:16:40 I'm a I'm not one to really show emotion in public,
1:16:40 --> 1:16:42 but that day I just couldn't help it. And we
1:16:42 --> 1:16:46 were reading this tribute to Charlie and I kind of
1:16:46 --> 1:16:48 just lost it on air, and then JD flies us
1:16:48 --> 1:16:53 back down to Phoenix. And then on Friday, we all
1:16:53 --> 1:16:55 all the team got together and we were like, we
1:16:55 --> 1:16:58 really want to do the show and just remember Charlie.
1:16:58 --> 1:17:01 And that was just like a really heavy day. And
1:17:02 --> 1:17:06 I remember Friday night, Erica, that's when she gave her
1:17:06 --> 1:17:09 first speech. Actually right behind where Blake is sitting, right
1:17:09 --> 1:17:12 there is where we set up just a podium, a
1:17:12 --> 1:17:15 podium lug turn, and she gave that speech that was
1:17:16 --> 1:17:20 it just felt like the whole world needed to hear
1:17:20 --> 1:17:23 from us somehow. That was just this like collective feeling.
1:17:23 --> 1:17:27 Well, so let's back up a little bit here too. Again,
1:17:28 --> 1:17:31 it is completely fair to say that this environment that
1:17:31 --> 1:17:34 you find yourself in, besides the fact that everybody of
1:17:34 --> 1:17:40 course is sad, depressed everything else because Charlie is assassinated,
1:17:40 --> 1:17:44 it sounds like this was complete chaos as well, just
1:17:45 --> 1:17:46 so busy.
1:17:46 --> 1:17:48 It was quiet in like a heavy way, but we
1:17:49 --> 1:17:51 still had to keep doing stuff, which was extraordinary.
1:17:51 --> 1:17:54 Think about everything that happens in the following week. We
1:17:54 --> 1:17:58 have guest hosts who are big names themselves. Each day,
1:17:58 --> 1:18:01 we have some stuff that happens out of the White
1:18:01 --> 1:18:04 House on the Monday with Vice President Vance. So you
1:18:04 --> 1:18:07 have getting a team to DC to do stuff with
1:18:07 --> 1:18:09 the Vice President of the United States. You have super
1:18:09 --> 1:18:14 high profile Agustos Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. You have the memorial,
1:18:14 --> 1:18:17 which is a full like the most massive event.
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1:19:30 --> 1:19:33 So is it fair to say, then, that you guys
1:19:33 --> 1:19:38 were leaning very heavily towards h friends and influencers to
1:19:38 --> 1:19:41 help you guys get on track and figure out where
1:19:41 --> 1:19:44 you were going and what you were doing. Of course, yeah,
1:19:44 --> 1:19:47 And so it stands to reason one of these influencers
1:19:47 --> 1:19:49 perhaps was Owen's right, that makes sense for Yu whild
1:19:50 --> 1:19:51 you would contact her.
1:19:51 --> 1:19:55 Us it was both both, yes, yeah.
1:19:55 --> 1:19:56 Yeah, so that makes sense.
1:19:56 --> 1:20:00 So in a way, some of these influencers that you
1:20:00 --> 1:20:02 are contacting to kind of help you get through a
1:20:02 --> 1:20:05 very dark time in Turning Points history, the darkest time
1:20:05 --> 1:20:08 in Turning Points history, and then one of them use
1:20:08 --> 1:20:13 this to their advantage to later leak these various messages
1:20:13 --> 1:20:16 and this type of thing in order to utilize that
1:20:17 --> 1:20:18 against Turning Point.
1:20:18 --> 1:20:20 Is that is that a fair statement to say?
1:20:20 --> 1:20:22 I think that's a fair statement to say.
1:20:23 --> 1:20:29 Doesn't that seem diabolical like that? Like that I've seen Yeah,
1:20:29 --> 1:20:33 I've seen some horrible things, but it seems overtly diabolical
1:20:34 --> 1:20:36 to take advantage when it's the case that there's absolute
1:20:36 --> 1:20:41 chaos and a emotional turmoil in order to integrate yourself
1:20:41 --> 1:20:45 into that to later be used for the purposes profiteering
1:20:46 --> 1:20:49 and to quote burn down this organization.
1:20:49 --> 1:20:51 So it's interesting.
1:20:52 --> 1:20:54 This is part of the part of the reasons why
1:20:54 --> 1:20:56 I ask the pointed question. And forgive me, I'm not
1:20:56 --> 1:20:59 very emotional by nature. I just want to get to
1:20:59 --> 1:21:04 the the actual facts. It does seem that some of
1:21:04 --> 1:21:08 these people took advantage of this because it was a
1:21:08 --> 1:21:10 dark time and if you if you think that that's
1:21:10 --> 1:21:13 fair to say, were there other creators that came in
1:21:13 --> 1:21:17 to support you who you never thought in a million
1:21:17 --> 1:21:17 years would have.
1:21:18 --> 1:21:22 Yeah, you would be one of them, you know. I
1:21:22 --> 1:21:26 mean I try and I try and keep things private,
1:21:26 --> 1:21:28 like I genuinely there's a part of me that's so
1:21:28 --> 1:21:31 disgusted I have to discuss any of this stuff because
1:21:31 --> 1:21:36 my my nature is to you know, use discretion and
1:21:37 --> 1:21:41 keep private conversations, phone calls private, right, and so I'll
1:21:41 --> 1:21:43 do that here. But yeah, there was absolutely a bunch
1:21:43 --> 1:21:46 of people that you know, from the wider movement, you know,
1:21:46 --> 1:21:49 Turning Point had a lot of connections and still still
1:21:49 --> 1:21:52 does obviously, but with a lot of people, right, But
1:21:52 --> 1:21:54 they're not everybody. There were some people like yourself that
1:21:54 --> 1:21:57 we weren't connected with or you know you insert name
1:21:57 --> 1:22:00 here that we're not really close to. But a lot
1:22:00 --> 1:22:02 of those people came out of the woodwork and just
1:22:02 --> 1:22:04 reached out and wanted to help and have continued to
1:22:04 --> 1:22:07 do so. Actually, which is one of the you know,
1:22:07 --> 1:22:10 people often ask Blake and I like, how did you
1:22:10 --> 1:22:11 get through this? How do you get through it? Well,
1:22:12 --> 1:22:15 first of all, our faith in Jesus Christ. I like,
1:22:15 --> 1:22:18 our faith is so foundational, and that was something Charlie
1:22:18 --> 1:22:21 was I mean, he said he wanted to be remembered
1:22:21 --> 1:22:23 for courage, for his faith, and you know, he surrounded
1:22:23 --> 1:22:26 himself with a bunch of people that are Christians and
1:22:26 --> 1:22:31 Catholics and devout people. Secondly, my marriage, my wife and
1:22:31 --> 1:22:35 I like our relationship has been closer than ever, my kids,
1:22:35 --> 1:22:39 my family, sec But thirdly, it was the larger community
1:22:39 --> 1:22:43 rallying around us and continues to and despite the attacks.
1:22:43 --> 1:22:45 That's what's been actually pretty encouraging. There's a lot of
1:22:45 --> 1:22:49 people out there that are saying that, don't you know,
1:22:49 --> 1:22:51 maybe they haven't gotten into the fray, but they have
1:22:52 --> 1:22:54 our backs, or maybe they have gotten loud, you know.
1:22:55 --> 1:22:58 But the people I wouldn't have expected, I will tell one.
1:22:58 --> 1:23:01 Seemed to be I mean, quick, I'm sorry to cut in.
1:23:01 --> 1:23:05 Doesn't seem to be an unrealistic This is one of
1:23:05 --> 1:23:07 the problems I had when I was going back to
1:23:07 --> 1:23:13 falsify my own claim was realistic expectations. So, first of all,
1:23:14 --> 1:23:19 Kirk wasn't just a figurehead. My understanding is that Kirk
1:23:20 --> 1:23:23 was very, very invested in the daily runnings of TPUSA.
1:23:24 --> 1:23:24 Is that correct?
1:23:25 --> 1:23:29 Yeah? Yeah, he was really really hands on, certainly, but
1:23:30 --> 1:23:31 he also had it set up in such a way that,
1:23:31 --> 1:23:33 like if he had to go travel do these tours
1:23:34 --> 1:23:35 that like you know, the people he put.
1:23:35 --> 1:23:37 In bosiess people can hold out for they know what
1:23:37 --> 1:23:38 they're doing.
1:23:38 --> 1:23:43 Charlie was a supremely talented manager in the sense of
1:23:44 --> 1:23:47 being involved in everything, but not micromanaging everything because he
1:23:47 --> 1:23:49 recognized that was impossible.
1:23:49 --> 1:23:51 I do want to drive, isn't it? So?
1:23:51 --> 1:23:55 Then, isn't it unrealistic the expectation that while all this
1:23:55 --> 1:23:59 chaos is going on and emotional turmoil, as TPUSA is
1:23:59 --> 1:24:02 trying to find its legs again, while all of this
1:24:02 --> 1:24:05 is happening, isn't it an unrealistic expectation that everybody is
1:24:05 --> 1:24:08 going to shay all of the proper things, are going
1:24:08 --> 1:24:10 to do all the proper things, You're going to have
1:24:10 --> 1:24:14 the best foot forward with every public image event. Doesn't
1:24:14 --> 1:24:16 that seem unrealistic on its face?
1:24:18 --> 1:24:20 To me? It is? But you're also looking at this
1:24:20 --> 1:24:24 with a good faith, right, You're applying some amount of
1:24:24 --> 1:24:28 sympathy to us. What's been amazing. So you talk about
1:24:28 --> 1:24:31 this first week, first two weeks, people running all over
1:24:31 --> 1:24:31 the place.
1:24:31 --> 1:24:32 It was.
1:24:33 --> 1:24:36 Not even controlled chaos. It was just chaos, right because
1:24:36 --> 1:24:40 you know, one of the things about Turning Point when
1:24:40 --> 1:24:42 Charlie was with us was, you know, it's like I
1:24:42 --> 1:24:46 had the title of spokesman, but Charlie was the spokesman really,
1:24:46 --> 1:24:49 you know what I mean. Charlie was the drum beat
1:24:50 --> 1:24:52 at the front that would you know, go do the
1:24:52 --> 1:24:55 interviews and things like that. So you know, now you
1:24:55 --> 1:24:59 have all this media attention, you have all these people
1:24:59 --> 1:25:01 that that are coming to you because they want to help,
1:25:01 --> 1:25:02 they want to do something nice for you, so you
1:25:02 --> 1:25:04 want to also meet them where they're at and try
1:25:04 --> 1:25:07 and you know, fulfill the request. So you had that times,
1:25:07 --> 1:25:09 like one hundred, one hundred and fifty people just running
1:25:10 --> 1:25:12 around like crazy for the first couple of weeks, and
1:25:12 --> 1:25:13 it took us a little while to kind of like
1:25:14 --> 1:25:17 rain everything back in and get some like protocols in place,
1:25:17 --> 1:25:20 you know, So it was complete, complete chaos.
1:25:20 --> 1:25:23 I will say, yeah, yeah, I understand now you had
1:25:23 --> 1:25:25 wanted to make a point just before, oh.
1:25:25 --> 1:25:28 Yeah, because so much had been made at least earlier
1:25:28 --> 1:25:31 stages about this, like Doge Audit and stuff like this. Well,
1:25:31 --> 1:25:33 I just want people to understand Charlie. We talked about
1:25:33 --> 1:25:36 him being hands on. Charlie. I don't know the threshold,
1:25:36 --> 1:25:38 but it was like a thousand bucks or like five
1:25:38 --> 1:25:41 hundred bucks or something. If there was an expense going
1:25:41 --> 1:25:43 out the door, that was over and it was like
1:25:43 --> 1:25:45 around that, but like five hundred to one thousand bucks
1:25:46 --> 1:25:49 had he had to review it first. Charlie knew where
1:25:49 --> 1:25:51 all the money, like of the ORG was going all
1:25:51 --> 1:25:53 the time, and he was a stickler for it. So
1:25:54 --> 1:25:58 this these accusations like he was somehow a dupe or
1:25:58 --> 1:25:59 he was a naive about the.
1:26:01 --> 1:26:02 Insane over over time.
1:26:03 --> 1:26:05 There was an episode maybe a month ago or so
1:26:05 --> 1:26:09 where Candace ran with the idea that Tyler had like
1:26:09 --> 1:26:13 progressively replaced everyone at Turning Point to turn this evangelical
1:26:13 --> 1:26:17 org into a Mormon mafia, and every single person she
1:26:17 --> 1:26:19 named as part of this more mafia had been at
1:26:19 --> 1:26:22 Turning Point longer than Candace had been that.
1:26:22 --> 1:26:23 You know.
1:26:23 --> 1:26:25 Okay, yeah, our camera guy who was Mormon took your
1:26:25 --> 1:26:27 headshot when you came here.
1:26:27 --> 1:26:30 Yeah. So anyways, but the point is, like Charlie just
1:26:30 --> 1:26:32 loved Ough. She's a big fan of Elon. I thought
1:26:32 --> 1:26:35 it was like a cool like you know, internal messaging,
1:26:35 --> 1:26:37 hey where you know it.
1:26:37 --> 1:26:39 It's just I think it was literally on par with
1:26:39 --> 1:26:41 your your high school, Like the idea is like find
1:26:41 --> 1:26:43 ways to be more efficient here, because.
1:26:43 --> 1:26:47 I was just driving internal excellence, iteratively excelling and getting better.
1:26:47 --> 1:26:49 That's all that was. It wasn't something like untoward thing
1:26:49 --> 1:26:52 where he's trying to hunt down you know, people that
1:26:52 --> 1:26:55 are uh, you know, I guess laundering the money or something.
1:26:55 --> 1:26:55 You know.
1:26:55 --> 1:26:59 So it just many things like that have been missed
1:27:00 --> 1:27:03 and shrewd, portrayed wrongly, and just with like so little
1:27:03 --> 1:27:07 grace or understanding or credit to Charlie for actually knowing
1:27:07 --> 1:27:08 how to run an organization.
1:27:09 --> 1:27:16 So essentially disgruntled former employee. Disgruntled former employee gets upset.
1:27:16 --> 1:27:18 Let's keep going, this is great staty tragedy.
1:27:19 --> 1:27:21 There there are a lot more questions that I do have.
1:27:21 --> 1:27:23 If you guys will humor.
1:27:22 --> 1:27:24 Me for just a few more minutes, let's go why not.
1:27:25 --> 1:27:27 All right, Well, let's let's fast forward.
1:27:27 --> 1:27:29 Now we kind of went backwards a bit, and we're
1:27:29 --> 1:27:33 going to fast forward to win. These attacks really began
1:27:33 --> 1:27:37 to escalate, especially from the various people all over the Internet.
1:27:37 --> 1:27:40 Many of these people who I've looked into have been
1:27:40 --> 1:27:44 at this for many years, attacking various organizations, attacking various
1:27:44 --> 1:27:49 content creators. Anybody who essentially doesn't go along with their
1:27:49 --> 1:27:52 whatever it is that they believe, you know, this month,
1:27:52 --> 1:27:56 they're going to be ruthlessly attacked. You had mentioned earlier
1:27:56 --> 1:27:59 before we started my end of the questioning that tp
1:28:00 --> 1:28:04 USA really didn't have any sort of online defense mechanism
1:28:04 --> 1:28:07 from this type of thing, nor was it expected obviously.
1:28:07 --> 1:28:09 Could you dive into that a little bit more.
1:28:10 --> 1:28:15 What do you mean, like, uh the like uh an
1:28:15 --> 1:28:18 online defense mechanism, Sorry, just be a little bit more specific.
1:28:18 --> 1:28:21 In other words, you you said that that Kirk stayed
1:28:21 --> 1:28:24 away from internet beefs, he stayed away from a kind
1:28:24 --> 1:28:25 of the online drama sphere.
1:28:26 --> 1:28:27 He stayed away from that type of thing.
1:28:28 --> 1:28:31 So when these attacks escalated, were you were you just
1:28:31 --> 1:28:34 kind of caught by surprise that that this was even
1:28:34 --> 1:28:37 going on because it wasn't a thing that TPUSA traditionally,
1:28:37 --> 1:28:38 We were.
1:28:38 --> 1:28:42 Definitely not geared probably I would say, to fight that
1:28:42 --> 1:28:43 type of war.
1:28:44 --> 1:28:46 Certainly, the the unceasing nature of it.
1:28:46 --> 1:28:50 Because Turning Point had been attacked before Charlie had been though,
1:28:50 --> 1:28:53 but left or by more you might say more moderate. Well,
1:28:53 --> 1:28:54 I don't even want to say more modern faction is
1:28:54 --> 1:28:57 the right. We had the Greper war way in the past,
1:28:57 --> 1:28:59 and those guys would go after Charlie.
1:28:58 --> 1:29:01 And sometimes you'd get uh.
1:29:01 --> 1:29:03 I mean, we've been through a few rounds of people
1:29:03 --> 1:29:06 trying to say Charlie was anti Semitic, and I think
1:29:06 --> 1:29:10 that usually had some sort of factional struggle, and so
1:29:10 --> 1:29:13 he'd been attacked before. But I think what was special
1:29:13 --> 1:29:15 about this one is Charlie had never been the subject
1:29:15 --> 1:29:17 of conspiracy theories before.
1:29:17 --> 1:29:19 Yeah, which, by the way, as you're seeing with the
1:29:19 --> 1:29:22 like the Lindsey Clancy stuff, it's like there's no reasoning
1:29:22 --> 1:29:23 with some of this. Yeah, and you're just like blown
1:29:23 --> 1:29:26 away at the I think you called it the fallacy
1:29:26 --> 1:29:28 of the gaps, where people just like fill in the gap.
1:29:30 --> 1:29:33 Well, I've never been faced when we say, we've never
1:29:33 --> 1:29:36 been faced with conspiracy theories. A few natures of that
1:29:36 --> 1:29:39 is if someone Okay, if someone calls Charlie an anti
1:29:39 --> 1:29:42 Semite or says he's bad, or say he's a racist
1:29:42 --> 1:29:44 or whatever, even if it's an unfair attack, it has
1:29:44 --> 1:29:48 a certain concreteness and substance to it that you can
1:29:49 --> 1:29:51 engage with once or twice, and it can't really just
1:29:51 --> 1:29:54 go forever and ever. It's like a one off thing.
1:29:54 --> 1:29:57 You respond to it, or you don't. It is a
1:29:57 --> 1:29:58 successful attack, or it feels whatever.
1:29:59 --> 1:29:59 Move on.
1:30:00 --> 1:30:02 So what we never had was when I say we
1:30:02 --> 1:30:04 never had a conspiracy theory, we never had one of
1:30:04 --> 1:30:09 these things that they truly can just decide to push endlessly.
1:30:09 --> 1:30:11 It was like they'd come up with something new almost
1:30:12 --> 1:30:14 every day of your Like, how the hell did you
1:30:14 --> 1:30:19 get like the evidence of the gaps fallacy? Is like that.
1:30:20 --> 1:30:22 When I heard you explain that fallacy, which is a
1:30:22 --> 1:30:24 new one I hadn't heard before, I was like, bingo,
1:30:24 --> 1:30:27 that's what it is like, Because every day it was
1:30:27 --> 1:30:29 kind of like a new thread that would get pulled,
1:30:29 --> 1:30:33 and I'm like, how, how the hell would anybody even like,
1:30:33 --> 1:30:35 we're not smart enough to pull off whatever the hell
1:30:35 --> 1:30:38 they think we're doing here, like nobody.
1:30:37 --> 1:30:40 Was one of the dangers, one of the major dangers
1:30:40 --> 1:30:43 of using that sort of fallacious thinking, because it's not
1:30:43 --> 1:30:47 just fallacious argumentations, it's a fallacious form of thinking. You
1:30:47 --> 1:30:49 should just shouldn't think in patterns that ways, just because
1:30:49 --> 1:30:53 it's heads you win and then you know, or heads
1:30:53 --> 1:30:56 eye win, tails you lose. Right, So the idea here
1:30:56 --> 1:30:58 is either you have to spend all of your time
1:30:58 --> 1:31:03 endlessly addressing though things, or you don't bother addressing them,
1:31:03 --> 1:31:06 and then your silence is an admittance, right, right, So
1:31:06 --> 1:31:10 that there's there's actually that that's set up in such
1:31:10 --> 1:31:13 a way to make create a no win situation for
1:31:13 --> 1:31:16 a person. If you address it, that's bad, and if
1:31:16 --> 1:31:20 you don't address it, that's bad. So ultimately, that's that's
1:31:20 --> 1:31:23 why the evidence of the gaps is a fallacious form
1:31:23 --> 1:31:23 of thinking.
1:31:24 --> 1:31:26 Now it's self destructive.
1:31:25 --> 1:31:29 Ultimately because people come to absurd conclusions. But while somebody's
1:31:29 --> 1:31:34 being victimized through that methodology or being attacked by that methodology,
1:31:34 --> 1:31:36 it's very hard to defend against it because either you
1:31:36 --> 1:31:39 have to waste endless amounts of time trying to defend
1:31:39 --> 1:31:42 yourself from the attack, or it is the case that
1:31:42 --> 1:31:45 if you're silent about the attack because it has no merit,
1:31:45 --> 1:31:48 that then your silence is an admittance of set attack.
1:31:49 --> 1:31:49 Right.
1:31:49 --> 1:31:51 Well, it's totally right, and I would add a couple
1:31:51 --> 1:31:54 of things here too. You know, when Charlie died, we
1:31:54 --> 1:31:59 lost our biggest megaphone, right we lost Charlie having millions
1:31:59 --> 1:32:02 of follow to set the record straight on X y Z.
1:32:02 --> 1:32:07 So so we're just we lost a very practical, you
1:32:07 --> 1:32:10 know function right there. And you know, so there was
1:32:10 --> 1:32:14 that also, we were trying to keep up with this
1:32:14 --> 1:32:18 explosive growth of the org and all these kids that
1:32:18 --> 1:32:20 want to start chapters. We had real and we were
1:32:20 --> 1:32:22 still doing the tour in the fall tour to pay
1:32:22 --> 1:32:25 tribute to Charlie, which went extraordinarily well, and all that
1:32:25 --> 1:32:27 was great, but it was like we had real stuff
1:32:27 --> 1:32:30 to do, you know, And so your your face with
1:32:30 --> 1:32:33 the you know do you you know, I kind of
1:32:33 --> 1:32:35 I'm kind of reminded of Michael Knowles while he turned
1:32:35 --> 1:32:41 down you know, doing your your your debate, moderating your debate.
1:32:41 --> 1:32:43 It was he was sort of saying, like, I don't
1:32:43 --> 1:32:46 choose to engage this. Now you can disagree with that logic,
1:32:46 --> 1:32:47 but there was a part of us that we're kind
1:32:47 --> 1:32:51 of going like this is so absurd and it's so
1:32:52 --> 1:32:55 insulting that I choose not to sort of like even
1:32:55 --> 1:32:58 engage it, because like, I don't owe you anything, I
1:32:58 --> 1:33:00 don't have to dance monkey dance, and you tell me
1:33:00 --> 1:33:03 I owe you some piece of information here or there,
1:33:04 --> 1:33:06 and so so there is that kind of thing, and
1:33:06 --> 1:33:10 then ultimately, you know, obviously Blake has become more outspoken.
1:33:10 --> 1:33:13 I've become more outspoken. And I think the other thing
1:33:13 --> 1:33:15 that was interesting about this time is that people assumed
1:33:16 --> 1:33:18 that what Candace was saying about her relationship to Charlie
1:33:18 --> 1:33:21 and her proximity to the ORG was actually true. They
1:33:21 --> 1:33:23 were also assuming she was a conservative, and I think
1:33:23 --> 1:33:25 that that has been proved, both of both of which
1:33:25 --> 1:33:29 have been I think proven untrue. And you know, she'll
1:33:29 --> 1:33:31 deny that and she'll say that we were besties or whatever,
1:33:31 --> 1:33:35 but it wasn't true, Okay. And the point is those
1:33:35 --> 1:33:37 lines have gotten clearer in the month since, and I
1:33:37 --> 1:33:40 think that's been helpful too, so people kind of understand
1:33:40 --> 1:33:41 where where the two sides are at when.
1:33:42 --> 1:33:46 So, just moving backwards very quickly back to Charlie and
1:33:46 --> 1:33:47 Candace's relationship.
1:33:48 --> 1:33:50 Was he pawning her off on other people?
1:33:50 --> 1:33:52 Is that what was going on just to kind of
1:33:53 --> 1:33:56 maybe not get her to not freak out what was
1:33:56 --> 1:33:57 going on with her?
1:33:57 --> 1:34:00 Yeah? Specific, Yeah, no, I mean I don't want to.
1:34:00 --> 1:34:02 I don't want to be overly specific because there are
1:34:02 --> 1:34:04 friends involved in things like that, but yeah, but it
1:34:04 --> 1:34:07 was a soft land. It's like, hey, you know, you've
1:34:07 --> 1:34:10 you know, we're not You're not We're not trying to
1:34:10 --> 1:34:12 like fire you and humiliate you. We're trying to do
1:34:13 --> 1:34:15 it graciously and everybody can still be friends and all
1:34:16 --> 1:34:18 that stuff. So yeah, it was but that's basically what
1:34:18 --> 1:34:20 happened in twenty nineteen.
1:34:20 --> 1:34:23 I guess early the typical you're fired, here's the handshake
1:34:23 --> 1:34:24 on the way out, and I good luck to you.
1:34:25 --> 1:34:29 D Yeah, and then that that iterated right when you
1:34:29 --> 1:34:33 know we Turning Point took over blecksit. You know, at
1:34:33 --> 1:34:36 some point, I think Charlie again, Charlie was glass half full.
1:34:36 --> 1:34:40 Charlie was always trying to trying to do things that
1:34:40 --> 1:34:42 were useful for the movement, and Charlie was always like
1:34:42 --> 1:34:48 very bullish on outreach to minority urban communities, and that
1:34:48 --> 1:34:51 thought that with Turning Point organizational might behind it, bles
1:34:51 --> 1:34:55 it could turn into something, you know, really powerful, and
1:34:55 --> 1:34:58 you know, but it ended up being the wrong bet
1:34:58 --> 1:35:01 in that direction from many reasons. But so Charlie was
1:35:02 --> 1:35:04 always looking to the future, always trying to build and
1:35:04 --> 1:35:06 that's one of the things I love about him. But ultimately,
1:35:07 --> 1:35:09 you know, in this instance, it was a massive backfire.
1:35:09 --> 1:35:10 Gotcha.
1:35:10 --> 1:35:12 And then I'm not going to waste much more of
1:35:12 --> 1:35:14 your guys's time. I hope we can do this again
1:35:14 --> 1:35:17 in the future. But I do have two quick questions
1:35:17 --> 1:35:22 that I want to cover before I end my my
1:35:22 --> 1:35:24 end of the questions that you guys have been very
1:35:24 --> 1:35:25 gracious with.
1:35:25 --> 1:35:27 The first is what's on everybody's mind?
1:35:28 --> 1:35:31 My chats asked about this a million times, the Crucible chat.
1:35:32 --> 1:35:36 What's so, what's in store for TP us A, What's
1:35:36 --> 1:35:37 what's uh, what's actually.
1:35:37 --> 1:35:38 Going to go on going forward?
1:35:39 --> 1:35:42 Yeah, well, I mean we've got I mean, we've got
1:35:42 --> 1:35:42 a lot.
1:35:42 --> 1:35:45 Nothing has stopped from what we did while Charlie was
1:35:45 --> 1:35:48 with us, of course. Yeah, So we just had Chapter
1:35:48 --> 1:35:50 Leader SMIT was had last month.
1:35:50 --> 1:35:54 And that was twice as big, twice as big as
1:35:54 --> 1:35:56 the twenty twenty four chapter, more than twice as big.
1:35:56 --> 1:36:00 It was massive, massive, people raise thousands of people.
1:36:00 --> 1:36:04 These are all young people, all people involved with chapters,
1:36:04 --> 1:36:08 all people who are really engaged with Charlie's message, really
1:36:08 --> 1:36:11 inspired by him. So that still is going Young women's
1:36:11 --> 1:36:14 Leadership Summit that's going. We've got our first men's summit.
1:36:14 --> 1:36:16 So new events.
1:36:15 --> 1:36:20 Are being rolled out America. Yeah, exactly what.
1:36:20 --> 1:36:21 I love that.
1:36:21 --> 1:36:23 I love that, Yeah, and I think I think it's
1:36:23 --> 1:36:24 very cool.
1:36:24 --> 1:36:26 But they're keeping the list of speaker's secret, which I
1:36:26 --> 1:36:28 think is a very canny marketing play.
1:36:28 --> 1:36:30 I don't even know who the speakers are actually.
1:36:30 --> 1:36:34 Yeah, and then America Ifest still happens. Like everything that
1:36:34 --> 1:36:37 Turning Point has done or did while Charlie was with
1:36:37 --> 1:36:43 us continues to the extent that the outpouring of love
1:36:43 --> 1:36:48 and revival and support happened after the after the shooting.
1:36:48 --> 1:36:51 Turning Points doing its best to harness that for the
1:36:51 --> 1:36:54 good of the country, for the good of the movement,
1:36:54 --> 1:36:56 for the good of the Christian faith, all of those things.
1:36:57 --> 1:36:59 So we've got Amfests coming up. There's gonna be a
1:36:59 --> 1:37:01 lot of debates, by the way, because you know, we'll
1:37:01 --> 1:37:06 debate data centers, flock cameras, you know, foreign policy, all
1:37:06 --> 1:37:08 that stuff. So it's going to be huge. Amfest is
1:37:08 --> 1:37:10 going to be massive, And we've got the pick up
1:37:10 --> 1:37:13 the mic tours going around all over college campuses. By
1:37:13 --> 1:37:16 the way, high school campuses have exploded almost two hundred
1:37:16 --> 1:37:19 percent since and those take a long time. People don't
1:37:19 --> 1:37:21 understand how long a high school campus takes to become
1:37:21 --> 1:37:24 an RSO. Right, it took us like three years to
1:37:24 --> 1:37:27 get Charlie's high school at RSO status and that didn't
1:37:27 --> 1:37:31 happen until I think after he died. So that we're
1:37:31 --> 1:37:34 over thirty five hundred official Club America chapters, over fifteen
1:37:34 --> 1:37:37 hundred college chapters. We have a million students involved now
1:37:37 --> 1:37:39 with Turning Point in one way, shape or form or
1:37:39 --> 1:37:43 the other. We we had four hundred thousand church or
1:37:43 --> 1:37:45 four thousand churches in our network. Now we have twelve
1:37:45 --> 1:37:49 thousand part of TPSA faith. We've got over twelve hundred
1:37:49 --> 1:37:53 employees across all the Turning Point organizations. Massive massive support
1:37:53 --> 1:37:56 from grassroots donors that are like small dollar donors. So
1:37:56 --> 1:38:01 everything's moving and chugging along. And you know, as I think,
1:38:01 --> 1:38:03 as you say, like stories of our demise have been
1:38:03 --> 1:38:08 wildly exaggerated. That want to see that. Yeah, it's it's
1:38:08 --> 1:38:10 it's crazy. And I will just tell you when you
1:38:10 --> 1:38:13 meet are the kids the students, man, these are like
1:38:13 --> 1:38:17 the best kids in America. I really genuinely believe that
1:38:17 --> 1:38:19 they're smart They're hard working. Most of them are really
1:38:19 --> 1:38:23 serious Christians, and they they love this country. They want
1:38:23 --> 1:38:26 to fight for this country. They want to bring people together.
1:38:26 --> 1:38:29 These are not the people that are like dooming and glooming,
1:38:29 --> 1:38:31 and they're not trying to rip people apart and tear
1:38:31 --> 1:38:32 people down there.
1:38:32 --> 1:38:32 They're great.
1:38:32 --> 1:38:33 I mean, I just loved We had a We had
1:38:33 --> 1:38:36 a chapter leader on who got accosted by this hag
1:38:37 --> 1:38:41 in Indiana who was about blasting her on TikTok on TikTok,
1:38:41 --> 1:38:43 and just the level of positivity she had about it,
1:38:43 --> 1:38:45 and it would take an army to make me.
1:38:45 --> 1:38:46 Stuff feel bad.
1:38:47 --> 1:38:50 It was so great. I'm looking at other stuff. You know,
1:38:50 --> 1:38:53 staff is sending me other stuff that's going on. Turning point.
1:38:53 --> 1:38:55 Education is bigger, So they have a they have a
1:38:55 --> 1:38:58 gap year program for students who maybe aren't sure what
1:38:58 --> 1:38:59 they want to do in college yet or if they
1:38:59 --> 1:39:02 want to go to college that has its second location.
1:39:02 --> 1:39:04 More people are signing.
1:39:03 --> 1:39:04 Up for that.
1:39:05 --> 1:39:08 We have the Great Americans Tailgate Tour. I don't even
1:39:08 --> 1:39:10 know what that is, actually, I should learn more about it.
1:39:10 --> 1:39:13 Yeah, we've got communities that are launching. So we had
1:39:13 --> 1:39:16 a bunch of these like Alum that wanted to stay
1:39:16 --> 1:39:17 involved there.
1:39:17 --> 1:39:19 We should have that up Turning Point communities because we
1:39:19 --> 1:39:23 would get endless emails that say, I'm thirty eight years old.
1:39:23 --> 1:39:25 Can I go to Turning Point campus events?
1:39:25 --> 1:39:27 And I'd say, you know, not all of them are closed,
1:39:27 --> 1:39:29 but it is a student organization.
1:39:29 --> 1:39:31 Well, now some of you, you could have twenty five.
1:39:31 --> 1:39:34 Now you could have a Turning Point chapter that is
1:39:34 --> 1:39:37 just yeah, family is in your neighborhood.
1:39:37 --> 1:39:37 They've got young.
1:39:37 --> 1:39:42 Military families, first responders, all of that, and so all
1:39:42 --> 1:39:45 of those people can now have a Turning Point chapter effectively,
1:39:45 --> 1:39:48 which means more events, more ways of getting the message.
1:39:48 --> 1:39:51 By the way, so you're going to continue, You're going
1:39:51 --> 1:39:53 to continue the mission of Charlie Kirk.
1:39:54 --> 1:39:56 Yeah, so this is the key here too. I want
1:39:56 --> 1:39:58 to make sure that's all on the C three side,
1:39:58 --> 1:40:01 But that doesn't count all of the vision that Charlie had,
1:40:01 --> 1:40:05 like an actual chasing ballots and so think about like
1:40:05 --> 1:40:08 Turning Point action. We're light years ahead of where we
1:40:08 --> 1:40:11 were in twenty twenty four as far as our ballot
1:40:11 --> 1:40:13 chase program, so that we call it Chase the Vote
1:40:13 --> 1:40:16 where we hire actual full time employees. And now we've
1:40:16 --> 1:40:19 launched it in three different states. We're in Arizona, Nevada,
1:40:20 --> 1:40:23 in New Hampshire, so we're building the red wall, which
1:40:23 --> 1:40:25 would make it very hard. Even if in twenty twenty
1:40:25 --> 1:40:28 eight the Democrats sweep the blue wall, they couldn't win
1:40:28 --> 1:40:30 a national race if we hold the South and we
1:40:30 --> 1:40:34 add New Hampshire, Nevada and Arizona. Here is massive we have.
1:40:34 --> 1:40:36 We have field offices in all those states. We have
1:40:36 --> 1:40:40 thousands of employees already right now, and they're all trained up,
1:40:40 --> 1:40:43 they're mobilized, they're knocking on doors, sending text messages. That's
1:40:43 --> 1:40:44 happening right.
1:40:44 --> 1:40:48 Now because charged right we need we need the ground game.
1:40:48 --> 1:40:50 The ground game is the most important. And that was
1:40:50 --> 1:40:55 always where TPUSA came in. It's not just about influencers.
1:40:55 --> 1:40:57 That's only the minor part of that job.
1:40:57 --> 1:40:57 I always saw a.
1:40:59 --> 1:41:02 Turning by action for that, just to sure that's the
1:41:02 --> 1:41:03 have anything that I had said.
1:41:03 --> 1:41:04 But yeah, but.
1:41:04 --> 1:41:07 That's the I mean, that's the mission that people support
1:41:07 --> 1:41:09 more than anything. Can Can I just ask a last
1:41:09 --> 1:41:12 question before I let you guys go, can you give
1:41:12 --> 1:41:16 me your word and commitment to this chat? Who's watching
1:41:16 --> 1:41:18 in the many many thousands who will be watching this
1:41:18 --> 1:41:23 later that you will commit to stopping the left. You'll
1:41:23 --> 1:41:25 do everything in your power to stop the left.
1:41:26 --> 1:41:27 Blake, don't say it. How you really said?
1:41:28 --> 1:41:31 Well, I just think it's a bizarre question, because like
1:41:31 --> 1:41:34 to the extent if people say like they're not answering
1:41:34 --> 1:41:36 every single bizarre theory in question we have, it's because
1:41:37 --> 1:41:41 our priority always is combating the left fighting.
1:41:41 --> 1:41:43 So here's our vision. We want young people to be
1:41:43 --> 1:41:47 able to get married, to have babies, to own a home,
1:41:47 --> 1:41:50 to experience the American dream in an affordable way, and
1:41:50 --> 1:41:53 I have to go die in some foreign war and
1:41:53 --> 1:41:56 to love their country to believe in it. We want
1:41:56 --> 1:41:58 to restore the social compact we want. We have a
1:41:58 --> 1:42:01 vision for young people will buy in and have skin
1:42:01 --> 1:42:05 in the game in America. That is like fundamentally the
1:42:05 --> 1:42:07 vision of turning point. And in order to do that, yes,
1:42:07 --> 1:42:10 you must defeat the left because the ideals will kill
1:42:10 --> 1:42:14 and destroy this civilization, not only America but Western civilization.
1:42:14 --> 1:42:17 So yes, one thousand percent. And when you asked that
1:42:17 --> 1:42:19 earlier question, were we really equipped to fight this kind
1:42:19 --> 1:42:21 of war? No, because we are. You know you hear
1:42:22 --> 1:42:24 about think tanks. No, we're a battle tank that's what
1:42:24 --> 1:42:27 Charlie always used to say. That does designed to defeat
1:42:27 --> 1:42:30 the left, and we're we're not a drama entity, like
1:42:30 --> 1:42:33 we don't exist to just have oh, endless drip drip
1:42:33 --> 1:42:37 revelations in whatever soap opera thing that has nothing to
1:42:37 --> 1:42:39 do with the next election, that has nothing to do
1:42:40 --> 1:42:42 with the actual lives.
1:42:41 --> 1:42:44 Of American young people or American families.
1:42:44 --> 1:42:45 There's a couple of rules. There was a couple of
1:42:45 --> 1:42:48 rules that Charlie had. No black pilling. There's no black
1:42:48 --> 1:42:51 pilling allowed. Okay, so we got headwinds in twenty twenty six,
1:42:51 --> 1:42:54 maybe even in twenty twenty eight, whatever the polls are
1:42:54 --> 1:42:56 one way or the other. We got a lot of
1:42:56 --> 1:42:59 tough races. No black pilling, and be a happy warrior.
1:43:00 --> 1:43:03 And so listen, we're gonna keep doing what we do
1:43:03 --> 1:43:06 as best as we can. And you know, we we
1:43:06 --> 1:43:09 asked for people to not believe the lies, to believe
1:43:09 --> 1:43:12 in what Charlie built, and you know, have our back
1:43:12 --> 1:43:14 because we have this country's back.
1:43:14 --> 1:43:18 And we crushed the left, gentlemen, crushed the left, actually
1:43:18 --> 1:43:19 got to crush the left.
1:43:19 --> 1:43:21 They're the most danger Charlie.
1:43:21 --> 1:43:22 I'm not.
1:43:23 --> 1:43:27 Blasted back into my brain, a line Charlie had in
1:43:27 --> 1:43:29 one of our telegrams, or he was just I think
1:43:29 --> 1:43:31 he just said that I will never stop wanting to
1:43:31 --> 1:43:32 own the lips.
1:43:33 --> 1:43:36 Yeah, because yeah, Well I have much I could say.
1:43:36 --> 1:43:39 Well, gentlemen, I appreciate your time and allowing me to
1:43:39 --> 1:43:42 ask these questions. I know that we're constrained a bit
1:43:42 --> 1:43:44 by time. It was very kind to you to take
1:43:44 --> 1:43:46 a little bit of extra time for this chat, and
1:43:46 --> 1:43:48 I hope both of you have a wonderful day.
1:43:49 --> 1:43:52 Likewise, thank you for taking the time letting us ask
1:43:52 --> 1:43:55 about your debate, and it was great. Honestly, we're open
1:43:55 --> 1:43:58 books and I knew this was part of the deal.
1:43:58 --> 1:44:00 So happy to happy to do it, and we'll do
1:44:00 --> 1:44:01 it again soon.
1:44:01 --> 1:44:03 All right, sounds great?
1:44:03 --> 1:44:10 All right, take care today YouTube. Thanks Andrew. For more
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