The Left's Coup d'Etat Fantasies + What Drives a GOP Backstabber?

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But I want to show this glamorous shot of Blake and Jeremy Boring 139. 00:01:42 Speaker 4: Throw it up. 00:01:42 Speaker 3: If you're wondering where Blake was yesterday, wonder no more. This is it. I mean, it's that's fierce, Blake. That is fierce. 00:01:52 Speaker 5: And I probably could have done with a couple of different shots of my facial expression there. 00:01:56 Speaker 4: Like. 00:01:57 Speaker 3: And it comes with the caption of Charlie called Blake his secret weapon in, you know, boy, oh boy, something along those lines. Anyways, I look forward to listening to it. I, I, I don't know if you want to give us a little preview of what you talked about. 00:02:13 Speaker 5: Oh, you probably talked about what you can expect. 00:02:15 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:02:15 Speaker 5: Well, I mean, if you guys want all that, go, go support his thing so that it's a highly viewed episode. 00:02:21 Speaker 3: And then, yes, yes. So anyways, that's exciting. I, you know, Blake was like, hey, I'm going to miss a day. I'm like, for what? And he's like, well, I got this thing in Nashville. 00:02:33 Speaker 5: You're acting like a survivor. I told you about that a month ago. 00:02:35 Speaker 3: No, it was great. It was great. I'm happy you did it. I'm looking forward to it. I'm just razzing him. I'm just razzing him a bit, but the picture is worth a thousand words. 00:02:42 Speaker 5: It is a funny photo. 00:02:43 Speaker 3: It's a great photo. There was a little bit of mockery online, but we'll leave it at that. 00:02:47 Speaker 5: I don't care. 00:02:47 Speaker 4: Exactly. 00:02:48 Speaker 3: You shouldn't. The trolls will come no matter what you do, and you know, sometimes that should have had a target. 00:02:54 Speaker 5: I should have had a s'mores latte, officially large s'mores latte. I should go get a s'mores latte today. 00:03:00 Speaker 3: Exactly. Let's make it happen. 00:03:01 Speaker 4: All right. 00:03:02 Speaker 3: So there's a lot of news. Obviously, President Trump is has addressed the U.N. That's happening in New York. He was doing a press conference with Mom Donnie. I'll just be honest. I don't really love it. Mom Donnie is a socialist. probably more like a communist and he's uh transforming new york before our very eyes don't love it uh but it is what it is and president trump is a big fan of new york so obviously he wants to he wants to do his part to make sure the city's doing well but it is what it is all right so there's also we're going to get into a lot of this polling about political violence gotta get to that but this morning startup first thing i saw when i woke up this morning was the blessed Senator from the state of Utah, the junior senator, the second senator, Mike Lee will always be the senior and the first. The good senator and the bad senator. The good senator and the bad senator. It's the tale of two senators out of the state of Utah. There is, so there was a Politico, a ProPublica article, rather, that came out alleging that Don Jr. had done some nefarious things, right? Related to his wedding, okay? Yeah. So the ProPublica report stated that a Putin-linked Russian oligarch named Umar Kremlev secretly covered hundreds of thousands of dollars for Don and Bettina's May 2026 Bahamas wedding, including a private island rental and fireworks. So this is totaled to about a couple hundred thousand dollars. So then the article also states that White House aide Peter Navarro, a friend of Don Jr., Don's friends with everybody. This is ridiculous. Initiated a $ 620 million Pentagon loan to Vulcan Elements, a rare earth magnet startup that Don Jr. 's VC firm, 1789. I mean, Don's involved, but it's whatever. Capital had invested in just three months earlier. It was the only such deal pushed by a top presidential aide. Now, this was the start of it. Now, his spokesman, Don's spokesman, said that He had no involvement in the Vulcan loan. And by the way, I would totally believe that this to be the case because Don hasn't been really involved in politics much. Don is out doing his thing. He's either hunting or doing his show in media or working on business. But he is not really deeply involved in the day-to-day of the government or anything like that, politics in general. So lo and behold, so it's a hit piece from ProPublica alleging some sort of corruption, totally obvious. But lo and behold, Senator Curtis has to pile on. And this is what the second senator had to say, 137. A toaster is a wedding gift. A private island party paid for by a Putin-connected oligarch is something else. Republicans nearly wore out the subpoena machine investigating Hunter Biden's foreign relationships. We should not unplug it now. Trust us was not enough then, and it's not enough now. So leave it to Mr. Curtis and to pile on and do the Democrats' dirty work. Let's just explain why this is a ridiculous false equivalency from Senator Curtis. There has been 100, 200, 300 hit pieces about Don Jr. in the last two years. Not one has alleged or linked any nefarious, fraudulent wrongdoing of Don Jr. None of it. Not even the ProPublica story. They're alleging there's some connection to Vulcan via the White House. It's not even a thing. You can't prove it. It didn't happen. They're denying it. Meanwhile, it doesn't matter. Senator Curtis wants to go on this big fishing expedition. 00:06:48 Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. 00:06:49 Speaker 3: They're going to go, show me the man, I'll find you the crime. That's what this is. It doesn't matter what the ProPublica story alleged. It doesn't mean that they have proved anything because they haven't. Also, we hear last week that President Trump has said confirmed that Don Jr. paid back the money. So isn't all this moot now, right? Even though he didn't have to pay it back because there's nothing illegal about letting a friend buy you a wedding present. Thirdly, the difference between Don Jr. and Hunter Biden is that Hunter Biden didn't, there was no fishing expedition. We had to claw and scream and wail to get any type of investigation done because there was plenty of evidence that of pay-for-play influence peddling by the Bidens. Do you remember Burisma? 2014 to 2019, Hunter Biden joined the board of a gas company owned by Zlochevsky, and he was paid about $ 50, 000 to $ 83, 000 a month without any energy experience. So this coincided with Joe Biden's role as Obama's Ukraine point man. So Obama appoints Joe Biden as the point man. Lo and behold, Hunter Biden gets this lucrative board position, even though he has zero experience. And then don't forget, Joe Biden held out a loan when that company was under investigation. He held a loan over the head of the Ukrainians saying, you got to stop this investigation if you want the money. OK, now that's a lot of smoke. That means there's probably fire. 00:08:27 Speaker 2: Don Jr. 00:08:28 Speaker 3: Got married on a on a with Bettina and they had a Bahamas wedding. OK, the loan has been paid back. Doesn't matter. There's no moral equivalency here. This is the problem. We have Republicans that are doing the dirty work of Democrats that are going to do it anyways, by the way. Just just to be clear, John Curtis says there's nothing in this for him. But here's the connection I want you to make. ProPublica then has come out with another investigation this morning alleging that Senator Susan Collins in Maine, oh, just so happens to be Maine, a big, hotly contested Senate race, alleging that she is corrupt and that she was giving out contracts to military contractors. So it's a total op. When you drop this bombshell on Susan Collins, they are denying anything. It was negotiations that were happening between Susan Collins PAC and this company. They paid back all the loans, by the way. So we're going to get into that in the next segment. But this is the coordination of an op, folks. ProPublica comes after Don. ProPublica goes after Susan Collins. And guess what? You can rely on the second senator from the state of Utah who, when he's not pushing amnesty, is doing the dirty work of Democrats to come after the president and his family. It's disgusting. Honestly, this is why we can't have nice things. This is why we lose. So this is the anatomy of a smear campaign, of a hit piece, of an op, And I want you guys. to be well aware. I want you to be informed, right? So ProPublica is saving all this stuff for the lead up to the midterms, of course, because it's a far left activist organization that shrouds itself. 00:10:14 Speaker 4: In the austere... respect. 00:10:17 Speaker 3: Reverential label of an investigative journalist outfit, but it's just a far left rag. That's what they do. I mean, we've had run-ins with them. I remember when they came after Charlie, ProPublica, and they allege all this stuff, and they make the most obscene connections possible. It's terrible. This is what they do. So now they're coming after Susan Collins. First, they go after Don Jr. for taking a wedding present. Okay, fine. He returned the money. The point should be moot, and yet Senator Curtis in Utah is, I don't know why this is his priority, but that's fine. He's going after Don Jr., wants to drag him before Congress for it. And now they're going after Susan Collins. So here's what they say. ProPublica, they tweeted about it. They said, Senator Susan Collins helped steer millions in federal defense contracts to Navitek, whose CEO illegally funneled thousands of dollars to her campaign. The FBI sought to launch a probe and was eyeing Collins and other lawmakers. Then Trump gutted the unit in charge. All right, so on its face, yeah, that sounds terrible. Sounds terrible. They got her dead to rights, right? Well, no, it's not that simple at all. All right, so here's the true part. I'll give you the true part. Former Navitek CEO Martin Kao, who was later convicted of illegal campaign contributions, it's true, told the FBI his firm systematically traded donations for federal contacts Collins was described as Navitek's most important patron. Her office office helped steer millions in Navy research funding to the company while it and cows network donated to her. Okay. Here's their answer. So, and this is the important part. It's all buried, right? So you got to like dig around to find actually what the truth is. Collins office called the bribery claims outlandish said that the campaign was not part of the super PAC talks. Now, In politics, some of you may not be aware of this, but the super PAC is not allowed legally to coordinate with the campaign. So you'll have the Susan Collins campaign that she runs. She is in charge of that. But then you have super PACs that just say, hey, we want Senator Collins to get elected. We're going to do our own campaigning on behalf of her campaign. But they're not allowed to talk. They're obviously– see the world the same way. They're obviously want Susan Collins to be elected, but they are completely different entities and they're not allowed to coordinate legally. So the super PAC was the ones that were talking to Navitek CEO, Martin cow. And the get this Susan Collins even paid back the money that once that they, it was surfaced that these donations were illegal. 00:12:54 Speaker 2: Okay. 00:12:55 Speaker 3: And FBI spokesman said in an earlier review that found nothing implicating Senator Collins or the campaign. So the FBI cleared her. She paid back the money once it was determined that Cal's donations were made illegally. And Cal was a cooperating defendant seeking leniency. So he's in CYA mode. He wants to throw everybody under the bus to get as lenient of a sentence as possible. All right? So that's what ProPublica is going after. They're trying to allege that there was coordination between the Super PAC and Senator Collins' campaign. There wasn't. Here's the op. The op is this is six weeks before the election in Maine, where Senator Collins has managed to maintain her seat despite incredible headwinds in what, three elections now? She always overcomes the polling. She has a way of winning that state, and that drives the Democrats crazy. So here comes the op, and here comes the other op against Don Jr., who also paid back the money. And this is why we can't have nice things. Because instead of defending your allies, instead of rallying around and saying we're not going to fall for this garbage again, we're falling for it again. And Senator Curtis out of the state of Utah is acting principled by drawing false equivalencies between Hunter Biden and Don Jr. And it needs to be called out. 00:14:13 Speaker 5: Here's the real thing. It's that we are six weeks out from an election and he's a senator where let's be real. What's one of the biggest headwinds we face in this election? The fact that this U.S. Senate has not delivered on things that President Trump ran on. Why don't we have a SAVE Act? Because of the Republican Senate that strung us along all year saying, oh, yeah, we're working on this. This could totally happen. And then they spend all of August on break. 00:14:40 Speaker 3: Most of September. 00:14:41 Speaker 5: Most of September. I think they're just basically done through the election at this point. There's tons of people not confirmed for things. There's tons of vacancies sitting around. 00:14:51 Speaker 3: Speaking of which, Senator Curtis blocked Jeremy Carl from getting confirmed. A friend of the show. Yes. To the State Department. Thanks, Senator Curtis. 00:15:00 Speaker 5: It's all of these people, these summertime patriots, as Charlie would like to complain, that they love to think if we were to win, they'll come out and say, oh, it was our measured leadership that the voters were turning out for. 00:15:14 Speaker 3: No, it's not. 00:15:15 Speaker 4: No. 00:15:16 Speaker 5: To the extent we win anything, it is because of the vision that was offered by President Trump and his supporters of major change in this country. And then, who has always been the obstacle to getting serious wins within this movement? It's always been the Senate. Now, we're six weeks out from an election, and what's he eager to do? To show how fair-minded he is by complaining and demanding congressional hearings, investigating the president's son. Even if you think that, do it after the election. 00:15:41 Speaker 1: Period. 00:15:42 Speaker 5: We have to actually deliver for our people. Run around trying to deliver for our people. Here's the big op. 00:15:47 Speaker 3: All right. These guys want to submarine President Trump's administration. They want to look the camera in the eye and say, see, I told you so. He was driving us off a cliff. I don't care what the voters voted for. We're going to prove how wrong they were. And that's what's happening. You've got a bunch of these establishment Republicans that are really just I mean, the expression is used all the time. I don't like to use it, but they really are just Republicans in name only, okay? They want things to go back to the country club Republican days and the rubber chicken dinners where Republicans were respected in D.C., and they think MAGA is a bunch of ugly Walmart people and that their obligation to the country is to restore principled governance. How about you restore principled governance when it comes to the left? These people want us dead, and we have new polling to show it. How about you restore principled governments to the open border crowd? How about you stop pushing mass amnesty, Senator Curtis? Why don't you stop doing that? Why don't you put the American people first? Why don't you put your own party first? No, you can't do that. You do exactly what the Democrats refuse to do. You break ranks so that you'll get patted on the back as some good little boy, eat me last Republican. Donald Trump proved that that era was over. And you are falling right into their hands. You are playing right into their playbook. And now, guess what's going to happen on all your favorite channels, Mr. 00:17:11 Speaker 4: Curtis? 00:17:11 Speaker 3: CNN, MSNOW, they're going to laud you. They're going to praise you as a good little boy, good little toady. Oh, it's not even that. 00:17:16 Speaker 5: What's really going on here is he's setting the stage. He wants to make it more likely that we will lose. And then we will lose. And he'll come out and he'll say, this is all happening. We were led astray by... The president, by this messaging, we need to go back to a more responsible mode of government, turn back the clock, and it will be turning back the clock to a time where the Republican Party was achieving nothing and losing all of the time. And that's so much more comfortable to a person from a– Frankly, a red state like Utah, where they don't have to worry about the burden of real government. This is the tempting thing about being a beautiful loser, that you get to complain a lot and critique a lot, but not have responsibility for delivering on things. You just get to complain. That's so satisfying to a lot of people. 00:18:03 Speaker 3: Meanwhile, the Democrats want us dead. 00:18:05 Speaker 5: The Democrats want to win. 00:18:06 Speaker 3: They want to win, and they want us dead. If you think wireless companies are all the same, you might need to take a look at our friends over at Patriot Mobile. Patriot Mobile isn't just different because of its mission. It's actually built to outperform the other carriers. They offer premium, priority, nationwide service on any of the three major U.S. networks, helping you get the best possible coverage wherever life takes you. With Patriot Mobile, you can even have two separate networks on a single device, eliminating the need to carry multiple phones and giving you peace of mind you just can't get with other carriers. 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And sadly, he's predicted a lot of what we're living through right now, Rich, which we will get into in the next segment. But you do something very unique. And obviously near and dear to this show is the rise of political violence and political assassination culture on the left. There's a very troubling new poll that just came out. 00:19:50 Speaker 4: Out. 00:19:50 Speaker 3: I know that you also pull this. You are also keeping your tabs on this. But this came out and it went viral last night. Well, it's at like, you know, five point five million views now. And it says we we pulled five routes for Trump to leave office before the end of his term. A plurality of Dems support four of them, including a military coup and death by natural causes. The only one underwater is assassination, but it's still supported by 29%. This is a terrifying reflection of the political moment we live in, Rich Barris. 00:20:22 Speaker 2: I saw that last night, Andrew, and I said, Oh, I got something for Andrew. I wanted to show him just on this. I wish last year when we, uh, started this, that we would have asked more about Trump to have more comparable, uh, results like this. But the assassination question, we do have a comparable question on Andrew and we're only about three points higher. And I mean, so when you look at it and you say, well, it's, you know, that's the lowest where assassination is an effect, an acceptable form of affecting political change. Um, Three in 10 is insane. That's a lot. And I don't know what we have to do to get people to, you know, raise awareness, whatever you want to call it. But this is a real problem, Andrew, in this country. And it's gotten worse. And I'll just say this real quick, wrapping this up. What I've been concerned about over the last year, and I am starting to see evidence of in this survey we're doing now, which is basically done, it'll be out soon, is... If the right feels that they're literally being hunted and the system doesn't protect them and maybe even offers them up, I worry that at some point you might start to see acceptable levels– or you would start to see the right also accepting kind of in ridiculous levels violent actions to defend themselves. Because like I told you last year when we did our survey, this comes from a feeling of self-defense on the left. They don't understand the difference between sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me. They don't understand that speech and physical violence are two different things. So when you ask them about why they accept this stuff, brother, they think they're defending themselves. And I know that's twisted, but it's the way they view it. 00:22:06 Speaker 5: So you mentioned your own polls just out of interest, out of point of comparison. Was this ever asked during the Biden years, for example? Do Republicans, would you support an assassination attempt on Joe Biden? Do you know of any polls of that nature? And if so, what the number was? 00:22:21 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's a good question. We have seen others do it. Blake, we didn't, we started this after Charlie was killed. That's why I said, well, you know, someone's got to look at this a little bit more deeper. So I, that's a good and fair question because we have seen partisans, you know, shift depending on who's in power, shift what they think. I would just say this though, I would still have been skeptical of any polling showing that there were acceptable levels like we see on the left, because the right has a different worldview, or at least they did when we started this. And again, my concern is that they'll start to accept it too. But they just have a different worldview where I don't try not to insult anybody, but their first instinct is not to view politics and their political beliefs as um, as the center of their world, they have other things at the center of their world. So the left almost obsesses over this stuff in a way, the right, we just don't see from the right. And so it makes that it kind of raises the stakes for them, for the left. 00:23:23 Speaker 3: I totally agree. This is the right. If you're a conservative, you typically want to build your family, build your business, build your church. 00:23:33 Speaker 4: That's right. 00:23:33 Speaker 3: What fills in that gap for progressives is the cause du jour, the cause of the day, the next thing, the thing that they want to go rally in the streets for, whether it's ICE or opposing Trump or the socialist takeover of America. That is their church. That is their cult-like fervor. It holds that space in their heart and their mind and their consciousness. And therefore, if you are devoted to the cult of secular humanism or whatever, you will sacrifice yourself on the altar. You will do crazy things to achieve political ends. This is why this clip from Hasan Piker, I think, is extraordinarily important. Obviously, Hasan Piker has said a lot of things stoking political violence. It's one of the reasons I don't think he's a legitimate political figure in this country, because he's never walked those back. Here's SOT7. 00:24:21 Speaker 6: And you actually wrote about this, and it was a great video where you talked about, you know, someone has to do it. 00:24:30 Speaker 2: See, when I say that, everyone knows exactly what I mean. 00:24:34 Speaker 6: Which is, I think that shows that there is a lot of anger, a lot of resentment, and untapped potential. Untapped revolutionary potential, as a matter of fact. 00:24:46 Speaker 3: Okay, so laughing at the idea of assassinating President Trump proves that there's a lot of untapped potential? Hasan Piker, what the hell are you even saying? The guy is completely out of bounds and completely off the reservation. No, what that shows... is you guys have normalized assassination culture. What that shows is you guys have lost your sense of humanity and decency. Rich, you're not surprised by this stuff, though. 00:25:11 Speaker 2: I'm not. And maybe it's just it's becoming more mainstream or has become more mainstream on the left in recent years. But we have heard similar comments like that from people like Madonna. And, you know, I mean, I know everyone started to fall in love with them during the Amber Heard, you know, festival, whatever you want to call it. It wasn't a trial. You know, it's a show. But Johnny Depp and others have made comments like this in the past. The difference now, though. And I tried to stress this last year when that survey came out, our first one came out. They're not just, oh, I'm a student at a college and I'm trying to find myself, Andrew. I'm like searching for my identity and clinging on to, like you said, the issue du jour, the movement du jour. These are people who are professional class, established professionals. You know, they guys, you trust them with your health, both physical and mental. If you get in trouble, you pick up the phone, you call a lawyer, you trust them with your freedom or a fine or whatever it may be. They are they have permeated the ranks of the professional class in this country. And when when you're going over these results, you just look at them and you can't it's not just students. You can't help but to say, where are the adults? These are the, right? Like these are the, this is the group of people in society and Charlie used to call them, don't say educated, rich, call them credentialed, right? You remember that? Credentialed, call them the credentialed class. These are supposed to be the professional credentialed class. They're the ones who are supposed to be the adults and they have some of the most, and he chose that word, revolutionary ideas, you know, radical revolutionary ideas than, you know, your average working man or woman in this country. 00:26:53 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I think we all... We saw that, of course, with Charlie, where a thing that stood out to me was after Charlie died, it was... We, of course, saw people celebrate it, but what stood out to me, and I ran into this personally many times, was that people clearly... had the immediate impulse of, this is a good thing, can I go now find a reason to justify why I think it's a good thing? And that's why you saw Washington Post reporters spelunking years into the past to say, oh, here's the random word Charlie said that meant that he deserved to have this happen to him about MLK, about pilots, about... about gun rights or something. And they got there, five or six good quotes, and then it went out to everyone, here's why Charlie deserved it. But what they were really mentally processing there was, we think this political violence is good, how can we launder this feeling to the public? 00:27:44 Speaker 3: Which is why I went after Jimmy Kimmel so hard, when he tried to act like this was violence from the right. Because that was whitewashing it. It sent a message to everybody that, hey, if you do this stuff, There is a whole apparatus, a whole machine that will message to make it okay, that will launder this through the media apparatus of the country. And there's another poll here that just came out. It's a new story from New York Post. It was published yesterday. And this is from FIRE, right? So the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression. They're kind of a libertarian group, but they defend the free speech rights of everybody, including Turning Point. It says more than half of U.S. college students... say controversial speakers should be banned from their campuses, more than half, with a record high number adding that violence is acceptable to stop them. The results provide a dangerous and quote-unquote sobering picture of cancel culture on U.S. campuses, according to the expansive six-year study of almost 300,000 college undergrads nationwide. The atmosphere isn't just cautious, it's hostile, the study's authors wrote. Students continue to show low tolerance for controversial speakers and troublingly, more believe it's acceptable to shout down a speaker, block access to event, or even resort to violence to silence campus speech than ever before. We're going in the wrong direction, Rich. 00:29:04 Speaker 2: I just wanted to preface this answer with what Blake was saying. We have a question that actually captures exactly what Blake was saying. About 35% of Democrats, actually, when you ask them, whose fault is it that people take shots at Donald Trump? Whose fault is it that Charlie was assassinated? They are looking... For a way to justify that they think it's a good thing. Because about 35% will say, you know what, Charlie had it coming. It's the things he said. That's crazy. And we see this in college. I know it's coming to the end here, but this is why I remember when Richard Spencer and others were getting shouted down off campuses before. I didn't like it then either. 00:29:38 Speaker 3: No. is you could just see it when i can't stand the guy but when university of washington blocked hassan piker i actually defended his right to speak i mean i'm down to find out if he should be held liable for he's. 00:29:51 Speaker 5: Got a lot of other potential. 00:29:53 Speaker 3: Accountability yeah but don't don't don't don't keep him from speaking okay let him speak All right, President Trump is in New York for the UN, and he's meeting with UK Prime Minister Andy Burnham. We are going to be monitoring that to see if any news is made. Burnham, of course, just replaced the outgoing Keir Starmer. He's also a far lefty. Just another guy standing in the way of getting that 2029 new vote there and reform, seeing if they can take over which would be great, but they are constitutionally limited in that country, so 2029 is still probably when relief could come. Let's hope it does. All right, Rich, this is the no black pill segment, right? No black pill, but we had Mark Halperin. We had Mark Halperin on last. 00:30:45 Speaker 5: Week, and he said it's possible we could lose nine seats in the Senate. 00:30:52 Speaker 3: Yeah, he said if you're in a district that Trump won by 15... You need to poll again to make sure that where you're at. OK, is it have we lost 15 points overall? 00:31:05 Speaker 2: Listen, you know, sampling errors for subgroups are higher, guys. What do I mean by that? So pollster goes out there and says, look, with individual groups and each district, of course, has a composite, a unique composite of different kinds of voters. So we really do our best to estimate how much a swing is in a district, for instance, and given once I'm in one. It was drawn to be Trump double digits, and the Democrat is in fact ahead, which, by the way, is a disaster. Lori Buckout is having a hard time raising money, but it's more than that. It's the environment. So Don Davis is an incumbent, even though he's not as well known in the first district as he was in his old district. But that district and others, they exist. Mark is right. I mean, I really hate to say this, but we're looking more at like a 13. But Andrew, the problem is, with a 13 point swing, that's easy. That could easily be 15, right? Because of those subgroup errors, but also the Republicans have two problems. One is the independence. They're just getting killed by, and the reason is in part because of the second problem, which is disaffection. And, um, then their base isn't as motivated as Democrats are, uh, that actually makes it exacerbates the first problem, because if your base isn't motivated, your independents aren't motivated. So it makes it look like your opposition is winning them because so many more voters are swinging. When in truth, it's not always really a swing. Most of the time it's not. It really comes down to turnout. Yeah, I'm telling you, I put a post up about this the other day. We could wipe at least three to five points off of the generic ballot lead. if we just got more motivated. I mean, looking at, you know, 2022 electorate, the 2018 electorate, Republicans are doing three to five points better in these, you know, I say would-be electorates, but electorates change over time. The problem is there's always, there are always new voters. And in midterm, it won't be a ton like a presidential, but the margin among those voters, and this is what bothers me so much, we just won all of these kind of voters, guys. Two years ago, less than two years ago, that was part of the magic of Trump. I remember talking about this with Charlie constantly. Like, this is the first... I've never seen it before, Charlie. We're actually winning the new vote, the inactive vote, or what USA Today would always call the unlikely voter poll, because they're so key, because they can literally change the outcome of an election. They can make the underdog win, or they can make the party or candidates ahead win easily. They can do that much damage. 00:33:43 Speaker 3: All right, Rich, if you had the. 00:33:47 Speaker 3: A magic wand right now, one policy. Cause we're up six weeks. 00:33:52 Speaker 4: Okay. 00:33:52 Speaker 3: Early votes are going to be starting all, you know, half the country right now. 00:33:55 Speaker 4: It's tough now. Yeah. 00:33:56 Speaker 3: What magic wand, one messaging, one policy to get, to close the gap as much as we can right now. One, one, one thing. 00:34:07 Speaker 2: The most popular one, Andrew, that we polled, um, And we did share with them like, look, here's I think actually we give them 12. But the one that I think could have the biggest political impact is to remove protections for vaccine manufacturers who cause vaccine injuries. It is across the board. It's huge. There are also food freedom issues that are super popular. But at this point, I think you have to go toward you have to do something that speaks to holding one of these. Groups of society that people... Donald Trump was supposed to be their retribution. 00:34:42 Speaker 3: Corrupt elites, right? 00:34:43 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:34:43 Speaker 3: That's right. 00:34:44 Speaker 4: You have to strike at the heart of them. Yeah. 00:34:46 Speaker 2: You have to do something that really just shakes the foundation of something. 00:34:51 Speaker 5: Well, I know another one was... They had that summit, I think, of the House, that political summit, and they said one of the issues that polls best is removing ability to do insider trading. 00:35:03 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was about to bring that up. For Congress. Same, same. 00:35:05 Speaker 5: Let's throw this out, that if we... I know Congress hates doing things. If President Trump said, get back in D.C., pass a bill to punish that. Yeah, we've heard this over and over. People are fretting about they see a lot of people in Silicon Valley getting rich and they feel they're getting left behind. They need to kill this idea that Congress is just in on it. Could that work? 00:35:27 Speaker 3: Could that be a good way? If you did both of those. 00:35:30 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that always polls wildly popular, too. It does. But it's like the reason I picked the vaccine one is because people were looking. They've been wronged a lot by this ruling class. You know, you had a host of hoaxes and lies and then just downright abuses of their trust and authority. You know, you never would think public health officials somehow would pervert science and data. And to the point where they actually hurt you. 00:35:59 Speaker 3: The Maha Coalition is one of those areas we had huge gains with independents, with women. 00:36:03 Speaker 2: With women too, yes. 00:36:05 Speaker 3: Yeah, we need to give them some of the things they want, right? We do need to message them. 00:36:12 Speaker 2: Guys, the 1980s baby– oh, let me– yeah, I can say it real quick. The 1980s baby, Andrew, they were the ones who represented the biggest defectors or mind changers. And then within that subgroup, women, like the lower prop new voter that came out and made it look like Donald Trump did better with educated women. That wasn't really true. He just got new ones out. They were Maha voters, bro. They were Maha women. And it's like some woman in rural Vermont or something who's out. 00:36:41 Speaker 4: There with her cats. 00:36:41 Speaker 3: I want to show this, though, Rich. I want to show this. 00:36:43 Speaker 1: 153. 00:36:43 Speaker 3: So this is from Fox. This is their competitive house shifts. It's a bloodbath. Every single one of those seats, every single one. 00:36:51 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:36:51 Speaker 3: Has moved to the left position from a likely are to a lean are to a lean D to a likely D to a toss up to a lean D. I mean, it's up and down. I mean, right now, if you had to take a snapshot, Rich, like what do you think we're going to lose in the House and the Senate? If nothing changes, we hope things are going to change. We're going to keep fighting. But what do you think? What do you think? Final final note here, Rich. 00:37:15 Speaker 2: Look, I go through the map every day, guys. I just don't see how Democrats end up with anything less than 230 at this moment. And yes, the map does limit losses. The problem is it could end up being much more than that. Cook and Charlie is right. And Mark Halpern spoke to him and about him in that analysis. They're right, because when you hit that four point barrier in the generic ballot. Yes. That's how the, the, the, the map helped structurally Republicans, but once they get above like those six to eight, you know, where, where, where you have them at right now, the levy breaks and those likely ratings fate, they fade. 00:37:52 Speaker 3: Away because it breaks the threshold. Yeah. Everybody pick up, burn it down. He called all of this. He called the shot and I. 00:38:00 Speaker 2: Wish I was wrong. 00:38:01 Speaker 3: Here it is. We're going to keep fighting. Before he ever stepped onto a debate stage or behind a microphone, Charlie understood something really important, that if you want to lead, you first have to learn. Charlie believed that ideas shape character, conviction, and courage. That's why he spent years studying the classics, the American founding, and the Bible through Hillsdale College's free online courses. He would rave about these courses all the time. 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In this new free online course, you'll follow Achilles through the defining trials of his life and discover why one of the greatest works of Western literature still speaks to the permanent questions of human life. Charlie understood that learning isn't just about gaining knowledge. It's about forming the mind and character needed to face the challenges of Just visit charlieforhillsdale.com to start learning today. That's charlieforhillsdale.com. Learn deeply, think clearly, lead boldly, and carry it forward just like Charlie. I just want to give a quick note. I actually think that President Trump's speech at the UN was legitimately important. One of his best speeches in a while, talking about immigration, wants to rename AI to superintelligence. And it's very important. I think you guys should check it out. We might play some clips in the second half of this hour. That being said, we have Allie Beth Stuckey, host of the Relatable podcast, author, speaker, mom of three. She joins us now. Ali, welcome back to the show. It's good to see you. 00:40:20 Speaker 2: Thank you. 00:40:20 Speaker 7: Thanks so much. 00:40:21 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely. So I'm going to start, actually, and we're going to plug it again. But you have this event coming up October 10th in Dallas, Texas, and I want to make sure everybody in our audience is aware of it. It's called Share the Arrows, and it's for Christian conservative women. Tell us about this event. 00:40:38 Speaker 7: Yeah, we're super excited. 00:40:39 Speaker 8: It is a Christian teaching apologetics theology conference for Christian women. I will be 37 weeks pregnant, Andrew, at this event. And so we're really coming down close to it, but I couldn't be more. 00:40:52 Speaker 7: Excited about it. We have thousands and thousands of women from all over the world, 48 states, six different. 00:40:57 Speaker 8: Countries last year. And Shane and Shane is leading worship. 00:41:00 Speaker 7: We're so excited. 00:41:01 Speaker 8: We've got Rosaria Butterfield, Elisa Childers, Kosti Hinn. So many more who are going to be speaking, encouraging women. There are a lot of self-esteem conferences out there for women. 00:41:10 Speaker 7: This is not one of those. So if you want to. 00:41:13 Speaker 8: Become a better theologian, a better mom, a more joyful friend, definitely come to Share the Arrows. 00:41:18 Speaker 3: Oh, I love it. It's so important right now because, you know, think about our next topic. We're going to talk about Patrick Clancy. I wanted to get to this yesterday, but we didn't get to some of these clips because there was just too much going on. But it's a really important topic. because what we saw and you had a very interesting journey in all of this, actually you, you were, I mean, Twitter, Instagram, it was like the whole Lindsay Clancy trial. You were all over it. You know, you were mixing it up and I thought it was really important, but we saw women in much greater numbers side with Lindsay Clancy who killed her children. 00:41:54 Speaker 4: Right. 00:41:55 Speaker 3: Um, and they claimed self-defense, obviously the juror, there was one holdout juror and now that guy's been doxxed. Um, Tell us just before we play the Patrick Clancy clips how you process that whole trial. 00:42:07 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:42:07 Speaker 8: At the very beginning, when I first started learning about this, I thought that the possibility that she was really affected by a dangerous cocktail of SSRIs and other psychiatric drugs, that that could have. affected her mentally so much that it, you know, compelled her to do this horrible act. I thought that that case could be compelling. Now, I was never in the camp of saying maybe Patrick did it, or maybe she shouldn't go to jail, or maybe there shouldn't. 00:42:35 Speaker 7: Be justice done here. Maybe she had no agency. 00:42:38 Speaker 8: That was never my argument. I was never on that side of things. I was always for justice for the children. But I gave a lot of credence to this argument because I've been, you know, anti the overprescription of SSRIs. 00:42:48 Speaker 7: For a long time. 00:42:50 Speaker 8: But then the more I looked into it, the more I realized that she wasn't on very many medications. She had never been diagnosed with postpartum depression or postpartum psychosis. Hearing the medical testimony of the doctors who treated her before she killed her children saying, yeah, she actually didn't have any of these diagnoses. I thought, okay, no, nevermind. This woman just did a really evil, evil thing. And she needs the fullness of justice because of that. So that was kind of my journey, and it has been very, very sad seeing people go off vibes and social media rumors trying to indict the father of these murdered kids. 00:43:23 Speaker 5: Well, I think that's kind of... I think we're all in pretty much agreement on... clancy herself specifically but i think that's what's become the more interesting thing that it seems to it sucked in millions of people who've aggressively taken her side very radically and it seems in the most extreme case we're articulating an idea that i was joking with andrew before it seems a lot of people have the attitude that we could probably construct an excuse where nobody No mom should ever go to jail or prison if she kills her kids under the age of two. We can always come up with some explanation that would absolve anyone of guilt for even the most heinous crime imaginable. What's going on there on a psychological and spiritual level? 00:44:08 Speaker 7: You know, there is this idea, and I think it's in popular culture. 00:44:11 Speaker 8: I think it's in a lot of the books that we read, a lot of the songs that we sing from pop stars, that women can never truly be agents of evil, that even if they do commit some. 00:44:21 Speaker 7: Evil act, they're also a victim. 00:44:23 Speaker 8: There's also always a good reason behind why they commit acts of violence. And so that probably has gotten into our psychology, in addition to all of the typical left-wing stuff that we talk about a lot, intersectionality, that really the villain is always the white, cisgendered, heterosexual male, and that women, if they act out, it's always because of some form of oppression. It's because of some system, capitalism, the patriarchy, marriage, motherhood, whatever. And then in addition to that, whenever you attach the word postpartum to anything, it garners sympathy, whether it's true or not. Postpartum rage, postpartum overstimulation, postpartum depression, all of these things. I'm not saying that none of those are real. But they almost become justifications for evil. And that is a really, really dangerous place to be. 00:45:13 Speaker 3: Man, so let's get into these clips with Patrick Clancy. These rip my heart out watching him. Sot 3. 00:45:19 Speaker 9: I talk to them. 00:45:21 Speaker 3: What do you say? 00:45:23 Speaker 9: Help me. All the time. 00:45:29 Speaker 3: Continues Sot 2. 00:45:31 Speaker 9: Five weeks after I moved to New York on May 26th, I had to figure out how I'm going to celebrate Callan's first birthday. And how do you celebrate your son's first birthday months after he's passed away? And so I go to St. 00:45:50 Speaker 4: Patrick's Cathedral, I light. 00:45:52 Speaker 9: A candle, and I say, I love you, buddy. And I walk out on Fifth Avenue, and I start crying my eyes out. 00:46:01 Speaker 3: I know. And this one is like, it's going to be hard to watch, but I think it's important. It's not 12. 00:46:08 Speaker 4: Do you dream about them? Yeah. 00:46:12 Speaker 3: All the time. 00:46:13 Speaker 4: Tell me a good dream. 00:46:15 Speaker 9: I remember early on having a dream, maybe six months or a year after, and I'm in the kitchen at the house, and Cora walks in, and I just look at her, and it was like, I basically just said, where have you been? And she comes up to me and gives me a big hug. Those dreams are so real. It's like I'm lucid in those dreams. 00:46:48 Speaker 3: This man lived through the most horrendous thing you can imagine. Losing your children is the most horrendous, horrendous, awful thing. And he's been blamed for it. He doesn't blame his wife, which I find fascinating, but I feel for him, nevertheless. 00:47:05 Speaker 2: Allie? 00:47:05 Speaker 8: Yeah, there was another clip that I saw and I had not realized that Callum, the baby, was alive for four days in the hospital after Lindsay tried to kill him. And that Patrick stayed in the hospital with Callum, held his hand, held him as he died. And that little baby took his final breaths in the arms of his dad. And I mean, the guy's gone through more trauma than most of us could even imagine, losing all three of your children in that way. 00:47:33 Speaker 7: And I do think it's just evil. It's so evil what's. 00:47:35 Speaker 8: Going on online trying to blame him for this with no evidence. 00:47:40 Speaker 3: It's hard. It's hard being a parent and hearing that stuff. I have to give an update before we move on to this Taylor Swift thing. It's like dividing the Internet, this Taylor Swift thing. 00:47:53 Speaker 5: The Taylor Swift thing. 00:47:54 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:47:54 Speaker 5: Oh, great. 00:47:55 Speaker 3: So but, you know, the Clancy attorney, the defense attorney wants a probe on into the loan holdout juror, the guy that made sure she didn't get off with murdering her three kids. He's been doxxed. He's got profiles have been written. People are chasing him down. Defense attorney or legal analysts are calling this unprecedented. We've never seen this thing. And Blake's brought up points about how with the changing culture, we don't have a common culture anymore. I'm not sure we can trust jurors anymore. Can we even do jury trials in this country anymore? It's a huge question because we don't all sing from the same song sheet anymore. 00:48:30 Speaker 4: Yeah, so true. 00:48:31 Speaker 7: Yeah, well, it's jury intimidation. 00:48:33 Speaker 8: I know it's not technically because the jury in this case is not still deciding, but it's future jury intimidation. It's telling everyone if you don't go along with what the popular narrative is on social media, your life will be ruined. That is a very real consequence that most people are not courageous enough to fight against. And so I'm afraid that we can't get an impartial jury because of that. 00:48:55 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think they. 00:48:56 Speaker 5: Or a rational jury. 00:48:57 Speaker 3: Yeah, it needs to be sequestered in the future for sure. But we have these concerns when we're thinking about Charlie's trial. 00:49:04 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:49:05 Speaker 3: The jury selection process in that has to be robust and very sophisticated. 00:49:10 Speaker 5: One of the things that disturbed me the most is this went viral yet another interview from one of those jurors where... she was saying, we saw this in the jury as an opportunity to get a victory for for women at large that we could come out and we could talk about. postpartum depression. And a very good response I saw from someone was to point out that we only have good things in our society because of people trying to do the job right in front of them, such as you are a juror in this case. What is the just decision in this case? And a huge amount of harm has been caused by everyone getting in their head. What's the greatest good I can do for all of humanity in this case right now? How can I strike a blow for 5 billion women around the world instead of how can I do the good thing right in front of me? 00:49:57 Speaker 3: Well, there was a good thing right in front of, in my opinion, in front of all of us. And that was, listen, Travis Kelsey scored a touchdown and his wife. Are they the Swifts or the Kelsey's? That's the big question. 00:50:12 Speaker 4: We're not sure. 00:50:13 Speaker 3: That's the problem. I'm going to play the clip. It's dividing the internet right now. Sod 11. All right, so it's very quick, but she's pointing to her million-dollar ring, and she says, that's my husband. That's my husband. And I'm thinking, this is great. 00:50:32 Speaker 7: Good. 00:50:33 Speaker 3: This is going to help make more babies. People are going to celebrate marriage. And yet the internet is very frustrated at this for some reason. Your take, Allie Beth Stuckey. 00:50:42 Speaker 7: Okay, I haven't seen the other side of it. I think that this is great. 00:50:45 Speaker 8: I am not a Swifty myself, and I have all the criticisms of Taylor Swift and what she represents. 00:50:52 Speaker 5: And all of that. 00:50:53 Speaker 8: But- This to me is representative of the right direction for women. 00:50:58 Speaker 7: It's fun to be married. It's fun to cheer on your spouse. 00:51:01 Speaker 8: A lot of like toxic mommy culture, toxic wife culture online just makes it seem like marriage and motherhood are such a drag and that your husband and your kids are holding you back. And here she is celebrating it and saying, I love it. I'm proud of my husband and his accomplishments. 00:51:18 Speaker 7: I think it's good. 00:51:19 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:51:20 Speaker 3: So what you just hit at though is so key. If you go on TikTok or Instagram, and I'm sure many of the people in the audience listening right now know this experience very well. All it is is like the woman being mad about the husband kept his shorts on the floor or his toothpaste is in the wrong position or he's in the bathroom or something. All these videos. Why is there such a penchant online to just criticize marriage and to attack men? I don't I don't understand why this is OK. 00:51:50 Speaker 8: Look, I think that there's gender wars really on both sides. I think that if you are a guy, especially a single guy, and the algorithm knows that, they're going to feed you anti-woman content. If you're a young woman, you're going to be fed anti-marriage, anti-man content. 00:52:04 Speaker 7: And it's really, really gross. 00:52:05 Speaker 8: The sexes are meant to complement one another. We're not supposed to be the same. You're not going to have a frictionless life or a frictionless marriage. But all of that is what makes it fun and exciting and beautiful. And I think it's good when you have someone like Taylor Swift who is saying, This is fun, and I love it, and I love my husband, and I'm proud of that. 00:52:24 Speaker 7: I think we need more of it. 00:52:25 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:52:26 Speaker 5: A husband is someone... one of the great things about marriage is when your spouse does admirable things, it like the aura goes on to you as well. 00:52:35 Speaker 3: You get to celebrate together. Yeah. You get to celebrate, but it does. 00:52:39 Speaker 5: A woman is honored by her husband's accomplishments. 00:52:41 Speaker 4: Totally. 00:52:41 Speaker 3: And here's the thing. We just, we don't know if it's the Swifts or the Kelsey's here, Allie Beth Stuckey. 00:52:47 Speaker 5: That's the problem. 00:52:47 Speaker 3: Charlie called it. Charlie called it. I'm going to play a little throwback to Charlie. Sot 16. 00:52:52 Speaker 1: This is something that I hope will make Taylor Swift more conservative. Engage in reality more and get outside of the abstract clouds. Reject feminism. Submit to your husband, Taylor. You're not in charge. And most importantly, I can't wait to go to a Taylor Kelsey concert. 00:53:16 Speaker 5: I can't say it without laughing. 00:53:19 Speaker 2: You got to change your name. 00:53:20 Speaker 1: If not, you don't really mean it. 00:53:22 Speaker 2: Congratulations, Taylor. 00:53:24 Speaker 5: We want to make her mean it. We want her to mean it as hard as she's ever meant anything in her entire life. 00:53:29 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:53:30 Speaker 8: I remember that well, cause he went viral and I, I think that was the last time I came on the show. I was on the show like two days later and I think that y'all were texting. 00:53:39 Speaker 7: And being like, okay, we got to talk about this. 00:53:41 Speaker 8: We need a woman's perspective because the internet's going crazy over this. 00:53:45 Speaker 7: Um, yeah, that was great. 00:53:47 Speaker 3: Yeah, it is great. 00:53:49 Speaker 4: I don't know. 00:53:49 Speaker 3: Are they the Swifts? I saw that there was some appreciation notes sent out from the Swifts. 00:53:57 Speaker 5: You're not from the Swifts. 00:53:59 Speaker 4: No way. 00:54:00 Speaker 3: That would be terrible. I don't know if it was AI. I'm not alleging anything. 00:54:03 Speaker 7: Do you think he'll change the back of his jersey? 00:54:07 Speaker 5: What would he do? 00:54:07 Speaker 3: Hyphenate it? 00:54:08 Speaker 5: What if he just made it Swift? 00:54:10 Speaker 8: He's just Travis Swift. 00:54:12 Speaker 4: Oh, no. 00:54:13 Speaker 3: Is that worse or better than hyphenating? 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And to celebrate America's 250th, open a new qualified account and Noble Gold will send you a free 10-ounce silver bar. noblegoldinvestments.com slash kirk. The information is free, but the knowledge is priceless. Next up is Nicholas V. I love with the middle initial. I want to start incorporating my middle initial into mine. V. Leone III. He is the founder of the Business Bible. You can check it out, businessbible.com. Nicholas, welcome to the show. It's great to have you. We have so many mutual friends. And you knew Charlie. You met Charlie in Foster Freeze. And that's actually, you were working on Wall Street when you came up with this idea of the business Bible. So tell us about the whole origin story here. 00:55:50 Speaker 4: Hey, good morning, Andrew. Great to be here. 00:55:52 Speaker 10: Yeah, I met Charlie when he was chasing down Foster Freeze in a white cowboy hat at a conference in Dallas. And I was in the middle of a conversation with Foster about hedge funds in the market. 00:56:03 Speaker 4: And there came Charlie in his. 00:56:06 Speaker 10: you know, I don't know if it was a Brooks brother, old Brooks brother suit ratted and he was full speed ahead. So, you know, it was, it was a brief meeting, but I'll never forget it. And, and what a great person and you know, what, what great work he did for our country and the world. 00:56:21 Speaker 3: Absolutely. Well, so like Foster Freeze, you are a wall street veteran. You were, you were deeply involved in that and then you became deeply involved in politics. So Let's talk about this. We have this because I know this is all part of the origin story and why you think this is so important. Why did you why did you leave Wall Street in a sense? I mean, you're still sort of involved in it in an ancillary sense. But why what why the transformation in your own life? 00:56:49 Speaker 10: So so when I met Foster, we were talking about finance and I came to the conclusion that we needed a plan. 00:56:57 Speaker 4: Right. 00:56:57 Speaker 10: So in business, we have plans. The country needs a plan. The church needs a plan. And we didn't have one. The left has a plan, and it's pretty detailed. And so I began to contemplate, what does that plan look like to create human flourishing? And it was born out of the global financial crisis. I was actually managing money on Wall Street. And in the middle of my career, started my first hedge fund in January 2007. And then the markets collapsed, down 50%, 60%. People lost their life savings. And I asked a really important question, I think, which is, is there a better way to do business? And that led me to search the Bible for principles that helped me navigate. And, you know, today there's this political and cultural divide, but it. 00:57:47 Speaker 4: Really revolves around the economy a lot, right? People. 00:57:51 Speaker 10: care about how they can meet their needs. But there's a big disconnect between, I guess, the top-line economy and how people are experiencing it in their personal economy. So some of those things drove me into the Bible to discover answers, how to manage my own life and work, and they became sort of the foundation for the business Bible today. 00:58:13 Speaker 3: So maybe just explain that, because you're talking about these divides, and I understand that. I think that's critical, but that point you just made about how people experience versus the top line economy versus their own lived experience of the economy. And there's all these divides, right? We've got the rise of DSA, you've got MAGA, you know, nationals, populism, and there's a lot of divides, but ultimately you searched the Bible to see how to do business better. So did you read it cover to cover? Like, I'm just curious, like, You know, because people don't think of the Bible as a, you know, economics literature or something. But it has so much of that actually in it. But what did you discover when you started searching the Bible for these answers? 00:58:54 Speaker 4: Right. 00:58:55 Speaker 10: So go back in time to the global financial crisis. Markets are down 50 percent and I'm searching for answers just like people are searching for answers today. 00:59:02 Speaker 2: Right. 00:59:02 Speaker 4: What's going to happen with the economy? What's going to happen with the markets? 00:59:05 Speaker 3: Right. 00:59:06 Speaker 10: And really, Wall Street didn't have any clear guidance at the time. and the church wasn't providing the answers I needed. So I began to search the Bible literally line by line, verse by verse, every word in a spreadsheet. 31,000 verses, 20 hours a day, much like we'd. 00:59:24 Speaker 4: Do on Wall Street. 00:59:25 Speaker 10: So I basically applied my seminary training and my Wall Street research training and looked at every single line. 00:59:31 Speaker 4: And what I discovered changed everything, Andrew. 00:59:34 Speaker 10: The Bible is about business from beginning to end. God works, we're created to work, and we're going to be rewarded for our work. And it literally had me fall off my chair at the office and say, wait a minute, I need to rethink our Mondays through Friday. So- So there was a big gap then between what Wall Street was saying and what the church was saying, and today there's an even bigger gap between Sunday and Monday. We have a 90% biblical illiteracy rate in the church, and 60% to 70% of pastors are biblically illiterate, meaning they don't know basic Bible facts. But more importantly, we're not teaching our next generation, and we haven't discovered in this generation, what does the Bible say about Monday through Friday, and how do we apply... our faith and work Monday through Friday, which is what really makes a difference. 01:00:23 Speaker 3: Wow. I think that's shocking, by the way. You know, it's interesting because Doug, who's one of our friends around here, he's also on the board of Turning Point. He's been telling me about this for years, by the way, the business Bible. 01:00:36 Speaker 4: Doug DeGroote. Yeah, I love Doug. I know Doug's been involved with Charlie for a long time. 01:00:41 Speaker 3: Doug's like one of your biggest fans. He loves this project. And so, okay, so like brass tacks it for us, because I love that we're like working with you on this. The business Bible, what is it? If you had to kind of sum it up for our audience, what is the business Bible? 01:00:58 Speaker 4: So the business Bible is a topical Bible. 01:01:01 Speaker 10: It's everything the Bible says about business from beginning to end. 01:01:05 Speaker 4: And it's filled with articles, briefs. 01:01:08 Speaker 10: Case studies, and gold letters that help people navigate through the Bible and discover what the Bible says about business and how to apply it to their life and work. 01:01:17 Speaker 5: Case study, that's great. That's business school type stuff. What's an example? What's a case study from the Bible on how to approach the world of business? 01:01:26 Speaker 10: Yeah, that's exactly right. So If you think about my background in theology and economics. 01:01:31 Speaker 4: My native language is business. 01:01:33 Speaker 10: And so when I did the work of creating the business Bible, I thought of the people that are going to be reading it. And what can we discover about business? So in the beginning, for example, we often call Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob the patriarchs. But that's a religious designation, right? Abraham and Isaac and Jacob were the founders of business as we know it today. Abraham had a division of labor with Lot. Isaac took great risk and planted during a famine and a recession and returned 100x. Jacob, his employer changed his wages 10 times, right? And yet he still was able to manage his business and take care of his family. So The Bible's filled with these case studies, but it takes a new perspective. We have to begin to look at it from the lens of business and. 01:02:24 Speaker 4: Discover what it says. 01:02:25 Speaker 10: All of these case studies and principles are hiding there in plain sight. And business people will recognize them because they're all about best practice. 01:02:33 Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting as you're saying that. I've been reading the Old Testament to my kids at night. So we have this children's Bible and we're going through it. And it's like one by one, especially in Genesis, they're all like, and God blessed their flocks and they flourished and they had too many, you know. And then you got the story with Laban and was that Isaac? Jacob. No, you're right. Jacob, because Jacob wanted to marry Rebecca, but then he got Leah at first. But then they had the spotted sheep or whatever. And so he, anyways, all these stories keep going one by one. And then God blesses their herds, and they multiply, and they have all the, you know, too many, you know, a head of, I guess, sheep. Their herds get so large. But it was occurring to me just last night that I was like, man, these guys were really accomplished, you know, because I think our modern day, we like to demonize success, right? You know, the DSA is basically just one big vengeance grievance campaign against producers and wealthy people, people that have been successful. But the Bible's patriarchs, are literally these successful entrepreneurs that are, you know, in the time of their day, they had great wealth, and God blessed them. So I guess, I don't know if there's a question in there, but it's just an interesting reorienting of the way we think about the Bible and the people that founded Israel, essentially. 01:03:52 Speaker 4: You're right, Andrew. 01:03:53 Speaker 10: We tend to look at the Bible with a historical lens, and we look at it as an agricultural society, and. 01:03:57 Speaker 4: We think they're all poor. And in reality, you know, God works. 01:04:01 Speaker 10: He creates Adam and Eve to work Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob become exceedingly wealthy because of their work, right? 01:04:08 Speaker 4: Joseph manages the world's largest economy. And 40 of 44 of Jesus. 01:04:14 Speaker 10: Parables are about business and money. And in fact, he says, when you're faithful with a few things, you'll be faithful with. 01:04:20 Speaker 4: Much, right? Enter the joy of the Lord. And so, you know. 01:04:24 Speaker 10: His parable, The Talents, records an investment process on how to multiply capital. 01:04:29 Speaker 4: And the Bible is clear about it. 01:04:31 Speaker 10: It reveals that we have been given the power to create wealth to. 01:04:35 Speaker 4: Benefit others, right? 01:04:36 Speaker 10: Business meets people's needs better than government does, better than the church can. It's what business is designed to do. And so when we begin to look at the Bible through this lens, it equips us Monday through Friday. It empowers us to create wealth and live generously, take care of the poor. and create a society that flourishes. 01:04:57 Speaker 3: Well, so go into the parable of the talents. Sorry, I'm going off script here a little bit, but it's just like, you know, the parable of the talents, when you say it's sort of a recipe for, you know, creating wealth, explain what you mean by that, because I think it's spot on. 01:05:11 Speaker 10: Yeah, so back in Deuteronomy, it says God has given us the power to create wealth to confirm his covenant with us, right? 01:05:18 Speaker 4: He wants society to flourish. It's good. 01:05:20 Speaker 10: And in Jesus' parable of the talents, this is what actually changed my life. I'd read it many times before and never saw it this way. Jesus says that an owner had eight talents and he entrusted them to three stewards. And I thought to myself, I've been to B school, I've been to seminary, what's a talent? I always thought it was a gold coin, a Roman coin or something. And I looked it up, I pulled up my Bloomberg and a talent was 75.4 pounds of gold. It's a financial weight in measure. And at the time I wrote the business Bible, gold was at $ 2, 000 an ounce. 01:05:53 Speaker 4: So each talent was $ 2. 5 million. 01:05:56 Speaker 10: Jesus is talking about eight talents, $ 20 million, and the money doubles. Now, of course, it's worth twice that. But what Jesus does is he reveals a process that we use on Wall Street every day. He allocates the talents according to ability. He weights it five, two, and one, long before Markowitz efficiency frontier happened. And he diversifies it among three stewards. And what happens next is amazing. Two of the stewards double the money, and Jesus says, enter the joy of the Lord. 01:06:26 Speaker 4: Well done, good and faithful servant. 01:06:28 Speaker 10: The third steward doesn't invest it, and he says, you're a worthless steward. Give it back to the one who multiplied the money. So there's a great deal to learn in there of putting money to work. 01:06:40 Speaker 3: I love this. So basic concepts to catch people up. The Bible is really about business from beginning to end. It's about God's kingdom. 01:06:50 Speaker 5: The Bible is about all of human existence and life. 01:06:53 Speaker 9: Right. 01:06:53 Speaker 3: But there's so many stories about business. And we're talking about this parable of the talents. So he gives a measure of value to three people. Two of them create wealth out of that. One does not. And there's a huge takeaway here that you were building up to that I'm just– I'm very interested in how you analyze this. So please continue. 01:07:18 Speaker 10: So just imagine, you know, I'm a Wall Street guy on Wall Street for 20 years, and I'm reading this parable after having read it many times and seeing it different for the first time and realizing that what Jesus is talking about is what the best money managers in the world do every single day on Wall Street. And so two of the managers are rewarded for doubling the money, 2X, multiplying their capital, right? And that's every manager's mandate, right? And they do it through a discipline process. But what's fascinating is he calls the third manager worthless because the third manager was afraid. And he was afraid to take risks. He was afraid to invest. And he said, take the talents from the third manager and give it to the other stewards who double the capital. 01:07:58 Speaker 4: So there's lots of lessons in that. One, if you're faithful with a few things, you'll be faithful with much. 01:08:03 Speaker 9: Two. 01:08:04 Speaker 10: There's a disciplined process for doubling and multiplying your capital. But three, we can't go through life afraid. We need to take risks and be good stewards. So the good stewards are the one who put the money to work because when you put money to work, you create jobs, right? You double capital and you can reinvest that. You can be generous to the poor. So money doesn't stay still. It needs to be put to work. And Jesus clearly teaches that. 01:08:29 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very clear. It was interesting in the break. Nicholas, we were going, well, what about the parable of the vineyard? And then what about the parable. 01:08:38 Speaker 5: Yeah, or the king who forgives the great debt of his servant. 01:08:41 Speaker 3: Yeah, or the people that only work one hour, they get paid the same wage. We're like, ah, these are applying to different... One's on salvation, one's about the prophets, and then he sends his son. But it really is interesting when you start reexamining Scripture through, like, what is the lesson for us as people? of business, right? And that is a huge part of our lives. So, of course, God would speak to that. And I think that's the breakthrough. What would you say if people are saying, you know, you got young entrepreneurs out there, maybe old entrepreneurs, and they're like, okay, what can the business Bible do for me? How could I apply it today? 01:09:19 Speaker 4: That's right. 01:09:19 Speaker 10: So, Andrew, it's not just a narrative. It's one of the primary narratives. Just think about that. God, he works in creation and he creates us to work. And then he commands us to work six days. So God wants us to do the thing that he created us to do and that we love to do, right? And so the Bible helps us discover work the way he originally designed. And so for young people, entrepreneurs, business people, the first step is to discover that we are created to work and work is how we meet our own needs and business is how we multiply our work and meet others' needs. And one of the seminal questions Jesus says is, who is the wise and faithful steward? I will reward him for all his work and put him in charge of all my possessions. So this isn't an interesting take on the Bible. 01:10:05 Speaker 4: It's one of the primary narratives. 01:10:08 Speaker 10: And we spend most of our time at work Monday through Friday or Saturday. And so it's a way for us to understand and how to express our faith and work. 01:10:16 Speaker 4: But I will say this, the Bible works whether you believe in it or not. 01:10:21 Speaker 10: So that was the amazing discovery for me on Wall Street. And all of my colleagues wanted to know, how did Jesus double the money? What else does it say about work? And, and it's important for us to begin to discover, rediscover work the way it was originally designed, especially these young entrepreneurs and students. 01:10:37 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I totally, I love this reorienting the way that you think about business, you know, with the Bible at the center of your, your pursuit of your next project or your next business entrepreneurial project. So I love this. And, you know, I also, I also think about, you know, we talked about Joseph, you know, Joseph, oversaw the biggest economy in the world. And it was that famous verse, what the enemy meant for evil, like God meant for good and the saving of many lives. And that really is this higher calling of business, right? There's so much demonizing of business people, productive people, successful people. But you think about all the life-saving technologies. You think about how global poverty has been, and starvation and malnutrition has been alleviated through business, through supply chains, all of these amazing innovations. So I love this because it's reframing businesses as a force for good, as a force for righteousness, if we steward it well. So I guess like we are working with you on this here. So people can get this at the businessbible.com, right? Businessbible.com. And we have some pictures of like actual product we could throw up, but tell us how people can engage with the business Bible. 01:11:47 Speaker 10: Well, go to businessbible.com slash Charlie, right? And I think it's a great project for the current generation and next generation. We need to get out and vote in November. We need to go to church on Sundays. But one of the greatest things we can do to change the world is go to work Monday morning and find purpose in our work Monday through Friday. Business is designed today. to meet people's needs. And good business does that well. And so it's a change. It reorients our thinking about work and business. And business is not divisive. Politics can be divisive. We have a cultural divide. Business creates unity, especially when you create value and meet the needs of your customers. So that's what the business Bible is all about. It's about helping people discover business the way it's designed five, six days a week. And it's also about you know, equipping people with their faith to overcome that Sunday-Monday gap. 01:12:48 Speaker 4: I love this. 01:12:49 Speaker 3: So I think if there are young entrepreneurs listening to this, I just compel you. One of the best pieces of advice I ever got in my career was just add value. Wherever you go, add value, add value, meet the needs. And that's what you're saying here, really. And that's the lesson of Scripture. So you think about AI, you think about all these anxieties that are facing the next generation, and they're real. We talk about those a lot on this show. But the Bible is clear that if you're a faithful steward and multiply the wealth, there will be an opportunity for you to do that. It's almost like God has given human beings this ability to multiply wealth and multiply value, and the promise is there that if you do that, that There will be benefit that comes out of that if you follow God's precepts and God's ways. Final minute to you, Nicholas, and it's businessbible.com. I love this project so, so much, Nicholas. I just think it's so important. Final 45 seconds to you. 01:13:46 Speaker 10: Solomon said he was the wisest and wealthiest man ever to walk the face of the earth. His wealth was even greater than Elon Musk's when you do the calculation. Solomon said there's nothing better. than being satisfied in your work. And I've really found that to be true. When we can express our faith at work, when we can use our God-given abilities and talents at work and in business to meet other people's needs, there's nothing better. And I think it'd be great for our country to rediscover the purpose of work Monday through Friday and build a better future together. 01:14:21 Speaker 4: Amen. 01:14:22 Speaker 3: Nicholas Leone, founder of the Business Bible. Check it out, businessbible.com. This was very, very cool. And I want to have you back on to get even more into the specifics, Nicholas. Businessbible.com. We'll see you guys tomorrow. 01:14:40 Speaker 2: For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.