Polling the Peace + The War Against Teacher Unions

00:00:03 Speaker 1: My name is Charlie kirk I run the largest pro American student organization in the country, fighting for the future of our republic. My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth. If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're gonna end up miserable. But if the most important thing is doing good, you'll end up purposeful. 00:00:24 Speaker 2: College is a scam, everybody. 00:00:26 Speaker 1: You got to stop sending your kids to college. 00:00:27 Speaker 3: You should get married as. 00:00:28 Speaker 1: Young as possible and have as many kids as possible. 00:00:31 Speaker 3: Go start at turning point. 00:00:32 Speaker 1: You would say college chapter. Go start at turning point, yould say high school chapter. 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I literally touched grass and hung out with my family all weekend. It was amazing, absolutely amazing, so good for your mental health, I will tell you, and I will I will also tell you when I did log back on, I was like, what a dumpster fire. 00:01:55 Speaker 2: Social media is? 00:01:56 Speaker 4: So just remember there is a world outside and it is amazing and it is wonderful. I was actually in Colorado and to tell you, ride got invited there by some friends, hiked a mountain, went fishing, mountain biking. 00:02:09 Speaker 2: It was amazing. 00:02:10 Speaker 4: I haven't had a weekend like that in a long time. And then I said, Blake, you need to go touch grass. And then you proved to me that you actually did, in fact touch grass this week. 00:02:17 Speaker 5: I did, in fact, some children asked me to after at a lunch after church, they asked me to roll down a hill for. 00:02:25 Speaker 4: Them, so I did. In my I saw the videos he did. It was a proper role in like a nice outfit. 00:02:32 Speaker 5: I went pretty fast, and then I realized how dizzy you get at my age when you roll. 00:02:35 Speaker 6: Yeah, I could barely stand up. 00:02:37 Speaker 2: Well, good, good for you. You need to do that. 00:02:39 Speaker 4: And that is the basic lesson of my weekend is I had the most wonderful Father's Day. Thanks for asking. You didn't ask, but that's okay. And you guys did a great job on Friday. I got a lot of great feedback and I saw the emails coming through, so great job there. So the news today really is multi front it's multifaceted. We've got the Tyler Robinson hearing that I'm getting updates on. They're now deciding whether the defense can force Luna Lance Twigs the boyfriend to appear in person during the preliminary trial. Just to update the audience again, remind you July sixth through the tenth is supposed to be the preliminary trial. They're also apparently they were supposed to rule on a contempt sanctioned potentially on one of the prosecutors. Remember they that goes back to the Daily Mail article that said the bullet didn't match. But it was a complete, terrible bastardization of a headline. One of the prosecutors apparently said something to the press clarifying what that actually meant, which what does it actually mean, Blake. 00:03:39 Speaker 6: You know, it literally just means. 00:03:40 Speaker 5: All they can say is the evidence does not conclusively demonstrate that it is a match because opposed to was destroyed, because the bullet was heavily damaged as opposed to the way they but it could be. It could be, but is not proven to be. And they're interpreting that as it is conclusively shown. 00:03:58 Speaker 4: To not be from that that headline went viral from the Daily Mail. And they have a thousand other ways to link the suspect to the gun and to the bullet, but the bullet was so badly damaged they couldn't do what, you know, they couldn't do the ballistic tests like they wanted to be able to do because it was so destroyed. 00:04:16 Speaker 2: So it was a fake headline. 00:04:18 Speaker 4: And the one of the prosecutors, you know, made a comment trying to clarify the record, and that came after a defense motion, right, So they felt like they were, you know, needed to do that. 00:04:27 Speaker 2: Now they're going to rule on that. 00:04:29 Speaker 4: And basically what I'm hearing from an insider is he punted on it. The judge, Judge Grapht, punted on it at the beginning of this hearing. He will announce a ruling date to be announced the end of the hearing. 00:04:40 Speaker 2: And one of. 00:04:42 Speaker 4: The suspicions here and again, this is not anybody attached to this case. This is I'm talking to people that know the way court rulings tend to work. And he said, let's see when he schedules the announcement. If after the preliminary hearing, then he's going to reprimand the prosecutor what that could mean. It could be, could be a fine, could be like a public reprimand if he schedules, If Judge Graphs schedules this before the preliminary hearing, he says, my gut is no contempt, So we'll see what happens. 00:05:14 Speaker 2: It could go either way. 00:05:15 Speaker 4: I don't think it's necessarily a huge deal anyways, but we'll see. It depends on what the sanction is that the judge decides if there is contempt and if there's not, contempt good, because I do think that there was a compelling issue. There was a compelling issue with that headline. 00:05:34 Speaker 5: But the bigger picture here is however this happens. We're already seeing the case that the effort to get justice for Charlie's murder has already been mangled by people online. And you know who we're referring to, who are obsessed with arguing for Tyler Robinson's innocence, who are going to run with anything they can grasp at to push this because they want to promote their alternative theories that endlessly revolve around attacking the. 00:06:03 Speaker 6: People close to Charlie. 00:06:04 Speaker 5: And let's be frank, attacking is real because they're obsessed with doing that all the time. 00:06:08 Speaker 6: Yeah, and that's why that headline went viral. 00:06:10 Speaker 5: That's why that prosecutor if they've made the mistake of breaking the rules and talking to the press, that's why they did it. 00:06:15 Speaker 6: And this is all downstream of that. 00:06:17 Speaker 4: Yeah, I will talking about how crazy the online space was this weekend and how I was woefully or I was blissfully unaware of it. Blake was getting into the fray there. But yeah, I mean, listen, here's the thing. A couple new updates. So they have a video of Lance Twigs basically that the prosecution wants to show during this preliminary hearing. The defense is asked that Luna, Lance Twigs or whatever it needs to come in in person and they basically said no in person. So the judge just ruled that he's not going to allow the defense to issue a subpoena and he is going. Judge graph is going to allow hearsay at the preliminary trial. 00:07:04 Speaker 6: So the trial itself. 00:07:05 Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's not the trial itself, it's a whole again. You've got a preliminary hearing and then you've got the actual trial that's going to be you know, much more involved and the rules will change. The preliminary hearing is basically laying out the case, the States case against Tyler Robinson, which again our perspective on this is it's overwhelming and you know, multi faceted. There's tons of different aspects to it. There's DNA, there's video, there's all kinds of things. So anyways, that's the that's the update. I will the judge is still reading apparently right now, so I will have more updates as the hour continues. We're monitoring it obviously, very very closely, and you know, we we we've got a whole bunch we're gonna get into it with Iran. Tons of updates there. But let's just end this by reflecting on the fact that this was Father's Day and uh, you know, this was the first Father's Day that Erica and her children and Charlie's children didn't have their father around, so it was very they were That's all I thought about yesterday besides my time with my own kids. It was a terrible reminder of what we have lost, and what Erica has lost, and what those children have lost. And so you know, yeah, we've got court updates, and we've got irun updates, and there's internet drama and all these types of things, but this, what you're looking at on your screen right now is what matters is that Charlie wasn't here for his kids on Father's Day. And that's heartbreaking, and you know, that's what's really important. I will tell you this whole weekend, Blake was like a reminder to me of what is really important, and it's family. It's it's making sure we can live in a country safely that we can say what we believe in safety and not having to fear an assassin's bullet. It's making sure that this beautiful country that we have have continues moving forward and health as a healthy democracy, a representative republic, a constitutional republic. And anyways, that's that's my big takeaway from this weekend is that if you are looking at everything online and that's all you can see, then you literally should remember that family is what's most important, and that staying close to the Lord is what's most important. And just go touch grass, go roll down a hill because it will do you some serious good. And Sony as we remember Erica and the kids and we pray for them and we're with them, have their back one hundred percent. Update the Lance Twigs, the trans identifying lover of Tyler Robinson, will not be required to testify in person, so the defense their motion did not see exceed. I think that's a good thing for the prosecution in the state and candidly for the preliminary hearing. It might be different at the trial, but they've got them on video already and they get to show this just this. 00:10:13 Speaker 5: It's so bizarre where this preliminary hearing is now this week long thing, and it is not the trial. 00:10:18 Speaker 6: It is the prelude to the trial, before a plea. 00:10:21 Speaker 2: Is even entered. Yeah, the whole thing is infuriating. 00:10:25 Speaker 4: If you're on our end of it, I will tell you listen, we want justice, we want the truth. But this is like it just the and this is what happens in a capital case. By the way, for the contempt, you know, the contempt against the prosecution, the defense is asking that they remove the death penalty as one as the sanctions. That's one of the reasons gonna happen. That's gonna happen. 00:10:47 Speaker 2: Knows crazy that they're even asking for that. 00:10:49 Speaker 5: It is, But it's just everything about this. We've mentioned this before that a big thing that's driving all of the weird psychosis around this case that you and I know exist is how incredibly long it's taking to do everything. And I'll be frank, I don't think this case. I don't think the details of this case require that it need a two or three year criminal justice process. I think the evidence is fairly straightforward, and I think the publics the public needs to see justice done. 00:11:23 Speaker 6: In a timely manner. 00:11:24 Speaker 5: And this is we're thinking about that we should consider do we need to change our laws, Do we need to change our approach to prosecution's criminal justice? Maybe expand the budget for them to make sure that trials can happen in a timely manner for infamous crimes, because otherwise you just have these people endlessly agitating. They want updates, they want developments, and it's taking a year to get anything done. 00:11:48 Speaker 4: Yeah, just as we continue updating from this, the court is prioritizing manners that would impact preliminary hearing. So therefore he punted on the contempt. He is announcing the contempt on Friday, so his decision on the contempt will happen on Friday. But the big I think the big news right now is that Lance Twigs will not be showing up in person. The video will suffice for the preliminary hearing. That's what you need to know. So we are getting the video downloaded and we'll show you that as we as we get it again. All happening in real time. I want to talk about Iran. So there was this huge dust up over the weekend. But the big news is that jd Vance is out front and he is basically saying huge progress is being made, and I just can't help. But notice, Blake, you and I quietly behind the scenes, much like Charlie, we're kind of very skeptical about going in. You can always choose when to start, can't choose when to end a war, right, We've said that again and again. Now Iran is willing to concede on the nuclear and they're gonna be That's a big headline you see on your screen. Iron will let you n nuke inspectors back in could buy US crops with billions in unfrozen assets, according to JD. 00:12:58 Speaker 2: Vance. 00:12:58 Speaker 4: So let's go through these details. So apparently Jdvan he gave a press conference earlier this morning kind of addressing some of the updates. Did you know where the Iran Iranians trying to walk out of the meeting? He said they threatened to, but they didn't, so they're still here. He called it talking trash, talking about if if we unfreeze these assets, then what would happen with that money? There needs to be an inspection regime so they can't use them to fund terrorism. So what is the suggestion that they used those billions of dollars of unfrozen assets to buy American produce to feed their people. So these are really interesting creative mechanisms. Now, none of this has been signed on the dotted line. There's still conflict going on in Lebanon, back and forth with Israel. I'm telling you, the same people that are opposing this piece deal were the same people that were a really pushing for an escalation of this conflict, and the same people that did not want President Trump to run again, the same people that did not want him to run in the first time in twenty sixteen. It's almost like you've seen the roles reverse and that is a very tell tale sign that this is probably a really good deal for the American people. Okay, new polling has come out. We're gonna talk with Rich Barris in the next segment. That seventy percent of Americans want to see peace. They think now is the right time to get to peace, and there's a lot of people really upset about that. 00:14:18 Speaker 5: A lot of people are and I think that I think you're seeing a big split here, and we'll talk to Rich about that for sure, which is I think there's a lot of people who are will be frank, they're big warhawks in DC. They really want to take out the Iran regime and any peace deal short of that. 00:14:32 Speaker 6: Will upset them. 00:14:33 Speaker 5: You have others who I think are very sensitive to just oh, it's it's less than we could get, Like, once we're in war, we shouldn't settle for less than a very clear cut, big victory. But I think the American people just they want to be focused on at home one hundred percent, and they'll willingly take a deal that makes some concessions to the rutings that is much more of a compromise look than a total unconditional surrender look to it, and I think they'll be grateful for that, even if it's not what the DC people who are invested in Northrop Grumman want. 00:15:04 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I want to get it as trash talk thing, and it's well said, Blake, Uh, it's not twenty six. 00:15:09 Speaker 7: But what we told the Iranians yesterday is when you guys engage in what US millennials might call trash talk, you can't expect the President of the United States not to respond and not to correct the record. So when they say things that aren't true, that president is going to respond to it. I'm going to respond to it. Americans are going to respond to it when they make threats that aren't rooted in reality. 00:15:30 Speaker 6: They have to accept that the President. 00:15:32 Speaker 7: Of the United States is actually going to set the record straight. That's all that happened. So, yes, there was a little bit of threatening, there was a little bit of whining, but at the end of the day, the talks continued and we made great progress. 00:15:43 Speaker 4: Yeah, so this is what Iran does, right, And the question is does this mean they're ever going to be capable of behaving a good faith. 00:15:50 Speaker 2: They trash talk. 00:15:51 Speaker 4: I mean during they were literally getting the absolute crap blown out of them by the US military and they were still on social media, you know, rightening the day of reckoning is coming and all this stuff, and they were gonna defeat. No, listen, this is what they do to save face. So if you're really interested in peace, you understand that you have to let them save face. President Trump's gonna He's also gonna trash talk. Let's be honest, And you gotta remember we have not for unfrozen anything. There is now oil, Yes, moving through the straits. That's a good thing for energy prices throughout the world. But you have to concede some things. You got to actually kind of say hey, you can do X, but we get why. 00:16:29 Speaker 2: Right, That's the way negotiation works. 00:16:31 Speaker 4: Okay, and we're gonna have Steve dayson an hour two and we're gonna talk about what do these detractors that don't want peace? 00:16:39 Speaker 2: What do they want? What is the alternative that they could possibly be seeking. I haven't heard a good explanation yet. 00:16:47 Speaker 4: More Americans are starting to ask an important question, why is it so difficult to get access to medications you may already know you need? 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How popular is peace? And I'm gonna play this clip to set up this segment for us. Okay, Now, I want to say I spoke with Batya this morning. She's very against it. Batya Ungar Sargon, she's disappointed in this. Probably have her on the show actually, probably tomorrow to talk with her about it, because I mean, I think she's sincere in her beliefs. But I'm gonna play the clip and then we'll talk about what the polling shows. 00:18:16 Speaker 2: It's not twenty seven. 00:18:17 Speaker 8: Vice President JD. Vance has had a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad week on a media tour for his new book about his Catholic conversion. Vance was the only administration official defending the President's Memorandum of Understanding with Iran, and for five days straight, the Vice President Gaslett sneered, prevaricated, and straight up lied two hour faces about what was in the MoU why it wasn't being released, and a host of other things. 00:18:41 Speaker 9: Here's the truth. 00:18:43 Speaker 8: Vice President JD. Vance just brought the Great United States to its knees with a humiliating deal weeks before our two hundred and fiftieth birthday. And he's decided, like many before him, to blame Israel for the mess his administration created. If this was a dry run for twenty twenty eight, it was at least very clarifying. 00:19:07 Speaker 4: So she didn't pull any punches there. And what was interesting, and this is why I called her. I said, I really believe that you are saying these things sincerely. I just couldn't disagree with you more like forcefully. I actually think that it was not a very bad week rich for the Vice President. I think, if anything, I've been hearing his stock has been rising. People are really impressed with that he's comported himself, how he's been engaging in his interviews and fighting for his viewpoint and making great case of the American people. 00:19:38 Speaker 2: That's my POV. What is the poll show, Rich? 00:19:41 Speaker 10: Look, Yeah, I mean there's a personal opinion. And oh, by the way, of course, thanks for having me on. There's a personal opinion Andrew that you may not agree with, and I think that's what she's getting mixed up here. There's your feelings and then there's reality and what the country thinks. And the reality is Vance's stock has risen. 00:20:00 Speaker 3: As empirically we can prove this. 00:20:04 Speaker 10: He's up ten points in nomination polling, which we're doing. It'll probably be out tomorrow if I don't get it out later today. The piece deal is basically eighty twenty positive or popular. And we have to keep in mind that this war was not popular. And I think what people who supported didn't seem to understand is that this deal, whether we like it or not, it is a consequence of starting a war without the support of the American public behind you, which means that any military solution that you think you can achieve is not really a viable option. You're just completely duping yourself into believing that the United States of America and the voters of America are going to take thousands and thousands of casualties while armies of US soldiers go marching into Iran to grab uranium that they don't care about. 00:20:53 Speaker 3: Andrew like, this isn't come on, This is a little bit loony. 00:20:57 Speaker 10: Just to give you an idea, the president hasn't been able to creep above forty two percent since this war started. 00:21:02 Speaker 3: That's the reality of the situation. 00:21:04 Speaker 10: He's going to get about a ten point net bump in approval in our poll from the last one that released last month. The generic ballot is already tightening. It's not where it needs to be. But the last generic ballot that we put out was the largest lead for any party in the history of our polling. Democrats had a thirteen point lead, which was up from an eleven point lead the month before. This was all to punish the Republican. 00:21:26 Speaker 3: Party and the Trump administration for starting a war. 00:21:29 Speaker 10: They explicitly stated they did not want period. So you know the Vice president, this is another thing I'd say about that with him specifically, is that when we started right after the deal was announced, it was popular because people were knee jerk saying, yes, I support it, because I didn't support the war. But as time went on, we were interested to see what would happen to that margin, because it would tell us whether or not the Vice president was effectively selling it and whether people were reacting in a positive way to what he was saying the Vice President had a stellar week last week, his stock rose, he got more support as the days went on for this deal. Even though we can see, because you and I are in this business, we can see how much pushback, even from the president's own supposed side, how much pushback it got. So despite all of that pushback, and despite how loud they were the opposition to the deal was, they still lost the argument. 00:22:19 Speaker 3: What does that tell you? 00:22:20 Speaker 4: You know what's interesting to me is I've I've had this suspicion the entire time that the loudest voices pushing for escalation. And again, Batia has a friend. I believe she means this sincerely. This is not a personal attack on her at all. I actually sort of just mean the wider ecosystem. I've not been convinced that they have any real constituency. Actually I think they've Yeah, I think peace is incredibly popular, and your point is well made. This was exactly my pushback. I said, listen, you you guys want a like a treaty of you know, Versailles, kind of like. 00:22:54 Speaker 6: They don't want that. 00:22:55 Speaker 5: They want they want the defeat of Germany and they want in World War two. 00:22:59 Speaker 2: That's not why this was about. Yes, this was not what this is about. 00:23:02 Speaker 4: And I and I said this last week and we're actually gonna talk about this an hour two with Steve Days and he's, you know, Steve Dace is like a gen exer, like you know, uh, Grew was steeped in you know, triumphalism Americana. Let's you know, blow up the bad guys. Like He'll admit, like that's the way he's kind of wired. And he's like, I don't know what the alternative here is, though, like what what? And I could make the case though, and this is what I said last week, that that a weakened regime remaining intact in Iran could ultimately be the best thing for the region because it doesn't it doesn't fall into some sort of civil war sectarian violence situation that we saw in a rock right, So so, keeping the current structure in Iranian people want to overthrow their government in the coming months, more power to them. But that should that be our job? And I make the argument very much. No, we've learned those lessons in the past, and the polling reflects that the American people have internalized though lessons. 00:24:00 Speaker 10: Andrew, they're not ignorant here. This is what I think the pro war side never understood. The American public is not. They're not in ignorant to the facts. The truth is they've been through this before and they don't care. The risks to them are not great enough to ultimately pay the costs that they're being asked to pay, especially not after we've been down this road before. 00:24:23 Speaker 3: It was a long road to. 00:24:25 Speaker 10: Baghdad, as the book is appropriately titled, and they learned a lot of lessons along that road. And now here we are, after electing the peace ticket, you know, trying to repeat the same mistake. The alternative is what we all have been saying, it is, this was, you know, never in truth, we were never really having a completely honest argument with each other. 00:24:45 Speaker 3: And the fact is the American public knew that they. 00:24:48 Speaker 2: Understood Rich I totally agree. 00:24:51 Speaker 4: There's this second poll that was part of the CBS. You said you got the similar numbers, very similar. Okay, Yeah, when. 00:24:58 Speaker 3: You sent that to me, it looks verisome. 00:25:00 Speaker 4: And then check this out though, So make heads or tails of this? Yeah, thirty one percent. So has the US permanently stopped around's nuclear program? Jade Vance is making the case that yeah, this will essentially stop. They're conceding so much on nuclear that we will effectively have rendered it an impossibility. Okay, but the American people don't believe that. They say thirty one percent yes, this is done, sixty nine percent No, not done. How do you make heads or tails of the first pole that says yeah, let's make peace and the second piece of this pole that says yeah, their nuclear ambitions are not done. 00:25:33 Speaker 10: Just to be clear too, so people understand when it comes out we given like an unsure option. 00:25:38 Speaker 3: I don't know. 00:25:39 Speaker 10: And that's the only differential see between our numbers and CBS, for instance, because they don't give an unre You have to pick one or the other. 00:25:45 Speaker 3: How do we make heads or tails of this? Actually? 00:25:47 Speaker 10: I think it's I know, it makes it seems like it's inconsistent, but it really isn't. Because I think you have a certain group who's saying no, not done, because they're looking towards you know, the negotiation process and all this being finalized before they're willing to say yeah, I think we sufficiently curb their nuclear program. 00:26:06 Speaker 3: So they're waiting for the you know, not a war ending here. 00:26:10 Speaker 10: Andrew right, but the negotiation process that the vice president's promising them. So I think some people are saying that, And then there is another group of people, which again is a hard hurdle for this pro war group to climb. 00:26:23 Speaker 3: I mean, it's just a hard hurdle for them to jump. 00:26:25 Speaker 10: It's hard to convince the country to do something like this when you have an entire group it's anywhere between twenty five thirty five percent at any given time in the country. 00:26:33 Speaker 3: That basically says, what right do we have to tell another country they can't defend themselves by nucular weapons? I mean, they just we're arguing of regime. 00:26:42 Speaker 10: Certain regimes aren't allowed to have certain weapons. And the fact of the matter is a very significant percentage of the American public doesn't even agree with that. So when they say no, it's not done, it's because some of them think that eventually Ron probably will get a nuclear weapon, and it's not really our prerogative to tell countries around the world that they can. 00:27:02 Speaker 3: And to be clear, what do these people think when they see these things. Kim Jong un was supposed to be a monster to guys. 00:27:08 Speaker 10: I mean, he was supposed to be this irrational actor who couldn't get nuclear weapons or ICBMs, because if he did, Soul wouldn't exist the next day, Japan wouldn't exist the next day. Meanwhile, here we are, he's got him Pakistan obviously in the. 00:27:22 Speaker 3: Region as well, they were supposed to. 00:27:23 Speaker 10: This is a country that how is Osama bin Laden a few miles from its main intel center for years? 00:27:29 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you're right, I mean rich you know, this is why there was such a vocal opposition to Elbridge. 00:27:34 Speaker 2: Colby and Charlie really supported Elbridge. 00:27:36 Speaker 4: Colby because Elbridge had published a paper, you know, sort of arguing that there could be a realism, a pragmaticalism approach to Iran even if it had nukes. Right now, President Trump has said that's not an option, okay, so he went and dealt with it. If you get that concession, again, what is the alternative? Fifty thousand troops, one hundred thousand troops, how many dead Americans? 00:27:59 Speaker 2: Who's the top? Where? How long? 00:28:01 Speaker 4: How much it's gonna cost, what's the price of oil going to be? Nobody can answer those questions if the alternative is, I mean, how long are you gonna keep the blockade going? 00:28:11 Speaker 6: I'm just thinking about that gap. 00:28:12 Speaker 5: We saw in the numbers, thirty one percent think the nuclear program is taken down what was it, seventy eight percent? Five percent say end the war asap without getting more concessions. That's almost that's that's over forty percent of the country. That's basically, by itself, a chunk that could nearly win a presidential election. And I just think we wanted to talk about JD's presidential stock and my senses in DC, maybe it's falling. 00:28:37 Speaker 6: There's a lot of people angry, but. 00:28:38 Speaker 5: I think and dive into this rich I just think they're going to get a root awakening about what the priorities of the American people are. 00:28:46 Speaker 6: It's a lot like it. 00:28:47 Speaker 5: Reminds me of when President Trump was saying the stuff about Mexico, saying the stuff about people coming from craphole countries, and everyone's saying, oh, Trump's done now, and then it turned out. 00:28:56 Speaker 6: Oh it pulled great. 00:28:57 Speaker 5: All of his stuff was pulling amazingly. I think they're going to get similar awakening on around here. 00:29:02 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:29:02 Speaker 10: Do you remember guys when Donald Trump said, you know, well, I like people who don't get caught or something with John McCain and everybody else, Yeah, and everyone had this melt down. Meanwhile, the rest of America was chuckling, like, look, we honor John McCain's service, but that was kind of funny, and we. 00:29:18 Speaker 3: Got what he said. 00:29:20 Speaker 2: I do. 00:29:20 Speaker 3: They are going to get a rude awakening. 00:29:22 Speaker 10: And it's it's honestly unbelievable to me that you know, but pulling the Trump coalition now for ten years, it's honestly unbelievable to me, how few people still get it, still really understand they wanted to go backward, guys. They wanted to regress this coalition and go back to a brand of Republicanism that cannot, I don't mean has a smaller chance cannot win a presidential election. I don't want to throw names out there because I like some of these people, but some of the alternatives to Jade Vance that we hear from the more pro war crowd, they're living in their own bubble. 00:29:54 Speaker 3: They're de Lulu guys. 00:29:56 Speaker 10: There's no chance any of those guys will ever win Wisconsin, well ever win Michigan, will ever win Pennsylvania. They can't win a single one of those states, let alone all three, which they typically vote together. Regardless, these are anti war states. They're populous states. They're not Republican states. Even we can see with the polling that's out now, states like Ohio and Iowa, Donald Trump won by huge margins when Republicans. 00:30:19 Speaker 3: Couldn't even win them. 00:30:21 Speaker 10: Let's not forget it was only a few years before Barack Obama humiliated Mitt Romney and he won all of those states. 00:30:28 Speaker 3: These are states that pivoted. 00:30:30 Speaker 10: Thirty one counties in Iowa alone, it's got the largest number of pivot counties, thirty one of them. When you look at those counties, why did they go from Obama and eight to twelve and then to Donald Trump? You could almost dumb it down with one single sentence. Donald Trump wanted to prioritize the working men and women in this country over what DC prioritizes and has for many decades, which is the war machine and whatever makes the ruling class rich. Let me give people a couple of numbers here. When JD Vans before the war, JD Vance was polling typically between forty to fifty five percent in the nomination. Even when the war was going on and people were mad, he fell to the mid to high thirties. 00:31:07 Speaker 3: That's still a historic lead. 00:31:09 Speaker 10: For a nomination for on the Republican side, for any president Jacket. 00:31:13 Speaker 4: Rich Rich when you're saying polling, you said, like when you're talking about polling though, you're saying, who do you think should be the standard bearer the nomination? 00:31:21 Speaker 7: Yes? 00:31:21 Speaker 10: Yet exactly yeah, just to clear yes, just to make sure everybody understands that for the nomination, that twenty twenty eight nomination. And you know, not to throw this out there. You know they'll say, you know, we're not, you know, measuring here. 00:31:32 Speaker 3: But that is historic. 00:31:34 Speaker 10: His lead has been historic, and now since this peace deal, he's back up to where he was just below his all time high. 00:31:42 Speaker 3: So why because people were upset about the war? Just to give everybody. 00:31:46 Speaker 10: Something, this is a very important stat or it's not even really a stat it's it's basic math that everyone needs to get through. 00:31:52 Speaker 3: Their heads now, which is why, by the way Joshua. 00:31:55 Speaker 10: And I wrote burn it Down, you have a wing of this coalition is very loud and has a lot of money. 00:32:02 Speaker 3: They're also dying. There's no other nice way to put it. 00:32:05 Speaker 10: They're dying, and there there's no growth potential because nobody younger and younger generation sees the world at the way they do, and of course. 00:32:12 Speaker 3: It's statistics, not nobody. 00:32:14 Speaker 10: You'll find some people, but the tiny amount is not enough to replenish their ranks when the silent gen and boomer one dies. 00:32:21 Speaker 3: It's that simple. 00:32:22 Speaker 10: And the only faction of the right wing coalition that has a platform that appeals to Gen X and down is the populist anti war base. So this idea we're somehow going to return to Bushism, and you know, there's this whole faction that opposes JD. Vance and they're gonna get him. No, they're gonna get an alternative nominated. I'm sorry, I'm just gonna say, you're gonna get a Ted Cruz or a Mark or Rubio nominated over JD. 00:32:46 Speaker 3: Vance and then. 00:32:46 Speaker 10: They somehow have a snowballs chance in hell of winning a national election. Is not only laughable to people who actually understand the numbers, it's not only ridiculous, and Democrats on the other side are just laughing hysterically at how stupid some people could possibly be. But it's actually insulting at this point. It's insulting to the voters that you would do this, that you would not see the ab comparison here you couldn't win a national election to save your life. 00:33:12 Speaker 3: Then you killed the party. 00:33:14 Speaker 10: Donald Trump came around and resurrected it like Lazarus, walks it out. 00:33:18 Speaker 3: Of the tomb and makes it a national viable force. 00:33:20 Speaker 10: And your response is to what, go back and start another unpopular, stupid war in the Middle East and then trash everybody who represents the faction that's actually growing. This is basic arithmetic. The neocon faction doesn't have a coalition. If you go back, regress and redo this stupidity again all over, you may not recover this time. I think a lot of people in America have this false sense of security where you can keep making the same mistakes over and over again, but we're so strong we can weather them, and we can take them, and there's not going to be any permanent or long term consequences. 00:33:56 Speaker 3: For bad policy. 00:33:56 Speaker 10: Well, you better wake up, because every nation is susceptible to the law of nature and Nature's God. 00:34:01 Speaker 3: And everything she lives in the international system. 00:34:03 Speaker 4: And I'll just you know, I say this to you know, like I said it to her. I don't think she'd have a problem. I said it to Batia this morning when I called her. 00:34:10 Speaker 2: I just wanted to. 00:34:11 Speaker 4: Understand her pov and and and again. I hope she's gonna come on tomorrow and we'll talk about it. But you know, if you care about peace in the Middle East, wouldn't you want to at least offer an olive branch to say, hey, Ron, if you act in good behavior, we will treat you as a a sort of normalized country on some level. And by the way, if you if you want Israel to be safe, like them not having a nuclear weapons seems like a pretty big concession, you know. And Jadie Vance has announced that they're gonna be letting the UN inspectors back in possibly even like this week or something. 00:34:43 Speaker 2: I mean, it could we could be really quickly. 00:34:45 Speaker 4: So anyways, I just, I just I think you're right when it comes to coalition, and you're also right when it when you when you take it to a moral level and what's right and what's good and what's what's what's actually the right decision right, Because we could talk till we're blue in the face about coalitions, but then the other side will say, but what is right, what is good? 00:35:03 Speaker 2: What is moral? What is true? 00:35:04 Speaker 4: It's and in this instance they aligned the coalition their instincts are right here that the people want peace. We don't want to see the Middle East fall into another civil war, sectarian mess. 00:35:15 Speaker 2: And hey, we don't want nukes. Okay, there you go, guys. 00:35:18 Speaker 10: Even the upper class is getting anxiety. I don't know if anybody saw that in the Wall Street Journal last week, even the upper class now, and we have seen this in our polling, and now the Wall Street Journal picked it up and they wrote a headline over it because they found it so interesting. You know, for many many years, all of us, the three of us, Charlie, many many other personalities have been talking about the anxiety that the working class has felt in this country because their needs are not being met. And that working class base expanded for Trump beyond white working class people because they started to feel it. Now even we're making yeah, we're making you know, we're seeing that climb the economic ladder, which is concerning. 00:35:57 Speaker 3: So that is the moral decision. 00:35:59 Speaker 2: Which bears great stuff, man, really great stuff. 00:36:03 Speaker 4: All the best big data poll Burn it down, get his book, burn it down, Joshua Isaac, Thank you, Rich. We'll talk to you soon. Hillsdale College Great Books one oh one Ancient to Medieval course is an absolute game changer. I'm taking it right now and you gotta check it out. So before Charlie ever stepped into a debate stage or behind a microphone, he understood something important. If you want to lead, you have to first learn. Charlie believed that ideas shaped character and conviction and courage, and that's why he spent so many years studying the classics, the American founding in the Bible, and he did a lot of that through Hillsdale College's free online courses. 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And if we're gonna save this country, not just in twenty twenty six and twenty twenty eight, but if we're gonna save it for generations, then our education system has to be saved first, because that's where they're getting all their ideas. 00:38:19 Speaker 2: That's what's happening. 00:38:21 Speaker 4: And we have a great guest who is one of the most outspoken, accomplished advocates for school choice in the country. 00:38:29 Speaker 2: And that's Jenny Clark. 00:38:30 Speaker 4: She's the founder and CEO of Love Your School and she's the chairman of a Z loves essays dot com. And if you can put that rol up there, chairman of a Z loves essays dot Com. 00:38:42 Speaker 2: Jenny, Welcome to the set. Welcome. 00:38:44 Speaker 11: Oh, I'm so glad to be here and I am so excited to talk about school choice. 00:38:48 Speaker 6: This is gonna be awesome. 00:38:50 Speaker 4: By the way, just so everybody's clear, she's not just running like the a Z loves essays dot Com is the main pack that's fighting the school anti school choice initiative from the teachers unions here. But you're also like starting your own school, like you are doing the things that the bill that our school choice in Arizona allows for. 00:39:10 Speaker 11: Yeah, that's exactly right. I'm an Arizona native, I'm a mom of five. I've been involved in, you know, the school choice movement since twenty eighteen, when we first attempted to get universal Empowerment scholarships here in Arizona. Of course, we ended up getting those four years later in twenty twenty two, and now we have over one hundred thousand kids on the Empowerment scholarship here in Arizona, and of course seventeen other states have joined Arizona. 00:39:37 Speaker 6: We led the fight as we usually do. 00:39:38 Speaker 11: We're the gold standard with some sort of other ESA program these other states. So very excited also to be launching a classical Christian hybrid school Redeemer classical dot com. We're learning, we're learning what it takes to go from parent to policy to creating a seat for a student. It's very exciting. 00:39:54 Speaker 2: That's awesome. 00:39:55 Speaker 4: I mean, and I've seen you in action, so that's why, you know, I was like, I want to hit this topic because we can a lot of emails from people in Arizona that are like, why aren't you talking about this this bill or this what? 00:40:06 Speaker 2: I don't even know? You just give us the details. 00:40:07 Speaker 4: Is it a referendum or something. But the teachers unions are behind trying to gut the school choice bill that Doucy signed. It's it's his best thing he ever did, by the way, And you were a part of that. You were at like the press conference, Yes, so you were. You were out front on that and now the teachers union's trying to fight back and basically gut it. 00:40:28 Speaker 2: Yeah, so here's what. 00:40:29 Speaker 6: They're trying to do. 00:40:30 Speaker 11: It's so sneaky, but we are more strategic and that is why the teachers unions are going to lose and we quite frankly are going to win. So in January in Arizona, the National Education Association just so ridiculous. If you go look at their Instagram account, it's just appalling any of the things that they put up there. Yet are they the biggest They are the biggest that any a today is their Instagram. Yeah, and they are working with the Arizona Education Association and Save our Schools Arizona. They dropped a Protect Education Act in January here in Arizona. The entire initiative is an attempt to roll back all school choice in Arizona, starting with Arizona's Empowerment Scholarship account program. So we saw right away that they gave four million dollars, four million dollars from these national special interest groups. They don't care about Arizona, they don't care about our kids. All they care about is having control of children and their initiative if they get this signatures which are due July second here in Arizona would roll back the Arizona Empowerment Scholarship account. 00:41:31 Speaker 2: Where they it would go to the ballot then in November. 00:41:34 Speaker 11: Well, if they get the signatures, we're going to challenge them, of course, because they've just spent a bunch of money with random signature. 00:41:39 Speaker 4: Gathereres state and they're going door to door, they're harassing people at malls. 00:41:45 Speaker 5: Let's put the numbers on here. What's the number that at stake. I was just looking at the enrollment figure for this and it was really high. 00:41:52 Speaker 11: Yeah, the enrollment for the Arizona SA program right now is over one hundred thousand students. What they want to say kind of the biggest thing in their initiative is that if you are a family, a hardworking family, a high paying taxpayer, and your gross income regardless of family size is one hundred and fifty thousand dollars or more. So that's like a hardworking you know, firefighter and a nurse, you no longer have access to Arizona's Empowerment scholarship. But what we say to that is, is there an income cap to go to an Arizona public school? Of course, not wealthy families go to public school. All the time, and we have no problem with that because we all believe that education is a public good. But what they're saying is, oh, no, if you're a hardworking a taxpayer, your kids should have to go back to the public school system and your child will no longer have access to this scholarship. 00:42:42 Speaker 6: I think that's appalling. 00:42:43 Speaker 11: I think that's absolutely appalling. 00:42:45 Speaker 2: So let's just be clear. 00:42:48 Speaker 4: National groups are coming into Arizona to try and get signatures to gut school choice in Arizona, which is the gold standard. And if you don't live in Arizona and you're in this audience right now and you're like, why do I care, Well, Arizona's set the trend. I mean, again, Doocey did a really good thing school choice. I mean it was a lot of people, you know, more conservatives didn't like Doozy, thought he was too moderate. Whatever, he did a really good thing with this, And now Texas has they just rolled out there. 00:43:14 Speaker 5: Texas, this is the best policy Arizona, almost any state has done in the country. 00:43:20 Speaker 2: Now past father states are following suit. 00:43:24 Speaker 4: But then the student the teachers unions, which is basically just a Democrat super pack that that all their money goes to Democrats. This is Katie Hobbs getting all their money. And by the way, this is now coming into the governor's race here in Arizona. So because Andy Biggs, we have a clip on this and I'll show to you this is front page headline news. Because there couldn't be a bigger distinction between Andy Biggs and Katie Hobbs play top thirty. 00:43:49 Speaker 12: Katie Hobbs is trying to actually crush educational freedom in this state, and she's siding with unions and she's siding with administrators. She's going after educational choice. But every parent, I believe has a more special interest in that child's education than an administrator. I think the people that are most important are going to be your student, your parents, and they teach actual teachers. 00:44:16 Speaker 2: That's right. 00:44:17 Speaker 4: Everything that Andy Biggs says like I'm for okay, Just to be very clear, the guy is so spot on. He would be such an amazing governor in this state. I hope that the people of Arizona get their act together and understand it too. And by the way, turning point action is where I mean we are going to be full force. 00:44:33 Speaker 2: That's mission critical. 00:44:34 Speaker 4: Get Andy Biggs elected there's all as bad news coming out for Ruben Gego by the way, like we got to get rid of him too. But the point is it all starts with school choice. And if you can break the backs of the teachers unions, guess what that means, less money for their super pac which they call teachers unions funding people like Katie Hobbs. 00:44:52 Speaker 2: They know this is existential to them. This is why they hate ESA. 00:44:55 Speaker 4: They hate school choice and that's why what you're doing is so important. But you're playing like three D chess here. I mean, I don't know if you want to go into this second. 00:45:03 Speaker 6: Oh no, I do. 00:45:03 Speaker 3: Let's go there. 00:45:04 Speaker 2: We got a minute left. 00:45:05 Speaker 3: It's important. 00:45:06 Speaker 11: Well, you know, you got to fight on all levels, right and try to be more strategic than the teachers' unions because, as you mentioned, Blake, there's a lot at stake. School choice is a national security issue. We have hundreds of thousands of kids in Arizona and then millions across the country. They can't read well, they can't write well, they can't do math well. So we have to be successful in Arizona. Thankfully. The Goldwater Institute's Military Family Protection Act is the poison pill that Arizona voters need to need to know about it. 00:45:32 Speaker 6: Good way, in a good way twice. 00:45:35 Speaker 11: The Bility Teacher's Union, Thanks Andrew. Yes, it's going to the ballot. It is going to protect any scholarship program that military families have access to, including Arizona's Empowerment Scholarship. So we are going to be a yes on that on the ballot. Will have the problem number soon. A yes on the Military Family Protection Act. 00:45:53 Speaker 4: Okay, So if you're in Arizona, vote yes on the Military Family Protection Act because it's a It actually kind of like it. 00:46:00 Speaker 11: Stops the teachers unions. 00:46:02 Speaker 2: Because it's a constitutional. 00:46:04 Speaker 11: That's exactly right, constitutional not legislative. 00:46:06 Speaker 2: Blake, you brought up a good point. Yeah, I just want it. 00:46:08 Speaker 5: So we mentioned the teachers unions as the foe here, but I want to remind everyone big picture why we're in this situation, why there's so much demand for these scholarships. Let's just take everyone back. What have we gone through through the last few years. We've seen unionized teachers fought to shut your child's school down during COVID and keep it closed as long as possible. 00:46:27 Speaker 6: We're gonna teach them by zoom. 00:46:29 Speaker 5: We're gonna make them mask up, We're gonna make them social distance, we're gonna make them sit in those weird pods during band practice. 00:46:35 Speaker 6: And then on top of that, we had the LGBT. 00:46:38 Speaker 5: Insanity where they're gonna push trans lunacy in the classroom. They might transition, they might socially transition your kid at school. We had that guy, that lawyer in the LA school district where. 00:46:52 Speaker 6: The teachers were fighting. 00:46:53 Speaker 5: The teachers union in LA was fighting so that they wouldn't have to be fired if they were negligent when your child got abused. They didn't have to be mandatory reporters for this sort of thing if they saw evidence of it, if they were being abused by a teacher in the school. 00:47:06 Speaker 4: These are the same lunatics that are pushing things like in California the trans sanctuary state, so that if you have a student and they run away and they go to California, you can't necessarily get them back. If you happen to be a parent in California and your kid transitions, they don't have to tell you. And by the way, if you are against that, then you could lose your child. This is like the mindset of these people. This is why this is so critical mission critical. 00:47:31 Speaker 5: There's a line from the Jesuits the Catholic Order, because they ran a bunch of schools one hundreds years ago and they said like, if you give me the child to the age of give me a boy to the age of six, and I will give you the man. And that's how the teachers' unions are. They know they can control what your child is learning in the first grade, second grade, you're not paying too much attention. You think they're colorine learning arithmetic, and then they're coming out and they hate everything you care about because the people there with more often than you, are radically against everything you believe. 00:48:00 Speaker 4: And I just want to show what this picture show the picture of the enrollment. So this got passed in twenty twenty two, just to give you an idea of the demand. 00:48:10 Speaker 2: That there is. 00:48:11 Speaker 4: So those three bars that you see there on the right, that was the law pass Everybody gets the seventy five hundred dollars credit if you want to send your kid to a private school. And look at that, Look at the pent up demand that there was in one year. It's just incredible. And I think the bar goes even higher in the most recent year. 00:48:30 Speaker 11: Yeah, it does, and this just shows how desperate families were for choices and for options for their kids. Listen, I grew up in Arizona. I was born and raised here. I went to public school here, kindergarten through twelfth grade, and then onto the University of Arizona. Never did I think that my kids might need something different than what I had in the public school system. But times have changed, values have changed nationally. When we look at the NAPE scores, the nation's report card, twenty six percent or less of students are reading proficiently at grade level at fourth grade when they're tested. 00:49:04 Speaker 6: That's shocking. 00:49:05 Speaker 11: As I said before, that's a national security crisis. So many of these families, they come from all backgrounds, all political spectrums, all socioeconomic status. They're just trying to do what's best for their kids. And sometimes that's the public school, other times that's home education, micro schools, private schools, all these exciting new things that we have in Arizona and that are now blossoming across the country. Families and states with ESA type programs now finally have access to do it's best for their kids. That's amazing. I think it's one of the greatest policy wins that we have seen in the United States in over two decades. 00:49:42 Speaker 6: It's really incredible. 00:49:44 Speaker 4: You got to meet the president too. We have this picture. I didn't even realize this when I was like, wait, you've met You've been in the Oval Office with the President. Tell us about that and what you learned. Again, I want to nationalize this for the audience. So the local instruction is vote yes on what is that. 00:50:00 Speaker 11: The Military Family Protection Act if you're hearing Arizona. 00:50:04 Speaker 4: And then don't give your signature to the bad guys, and then obviously vote for Andy Biggs. 00:50:08 Speaker 2: Those are so if you're in Arizona. 00:50:10 Speaker 4: But like nationally, what did you learn when you went and sat with the President and the team about school choice the priority that this admin is putting on. Obviously we had the one big, beautiful bill that had school choice in it. 00:50:22 Speaker 2: I'll talk a little bit about that too. 00:50:23 Speaker 11: Yeah, so about a year ago I had just the amazing opportunity to have lunch with the President and some senators and governors from states that either have school choice programs or that are pushing school choice programs. Obviously, the Donald's family Byron and Erica are there, all these amazing leaders across the country, and everyone agreed, including our president, that school choice is one of the most important issues for our country. You talk about American reindustrialization, you talk about national security, any issue, school choice touches those issues. So at the time, the one big beautiful bill had not yet passed, and we were all brainstorming what will it look like, what needs to happen, how will it get done, had a great lunch, and then of course the President, just being the most amazing person that he is, invited all of us into the Oval for another hour. The President of the United States, you know, spending all this time with just random constituents. It's just incredible, and we talked more about school choice. Of course, now we do have this federal tax credit program currently in rule making. States have to opt in to that program. Of course, Governor Hobbs has not opted in course she's planning to not opt into this in a federal tax credit program that would be in addition to state ESA programs that President Trump and other leaders delivered. 00:51:40 Speaker 5: For It's such a great example because it really just gets at how much they despise you. It's Essentially, we will turn down money, free money for parents to choose how to educate their child as they wish, and we're just going to spitefully reject it. This is such a big issue to me. Just you think about you lay it out. Do you want to have thousands of dollars for educating your child and do you want it to be how the parent wants to use it or do you want to be it to be how a cancerous, parasitic blob that hates you and everything you believe in wants to use it. 00:52:15 Speaker 4: Well, this is what the commies want. The Commis want the school system to look like a communist grocery store where everything is the same brand, there's no options, there's no choice. What we want is we want it to be the choice is yours. You get to pick which brand, what ingredients, whatever. That is your choice as a parent. And the Commies hate that because again it's their super pac. This is what keeps them in power. By the way, it's not just their super pac. They're the ballot chasers in the field like California. That's how that's how Spencer Pratt lost his teachers. You to go in and collecting ballots tell people where to go to find your stuff and your school. 00:52:48 Speaker 2: All that stuff absolutely so. 00:52:50 Speaker 11: You can visit us at Azy loves essays dot com, love yourschool dot org. That's my nonprofit. We help families one on one. You can also find us on X and me personally. Clark Rimsa would love to have you guys give me a follow Awesome. 00:53:03 Speaker 2: I love it. 00:53:04 Speaker 4: Thank you, Jenny Clark, az loves ESAs dot com. Check it out, get behind this most important effort. 00:53:11 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. 00:53:14 Speaker 4: Good conversation is about respect. It's how we create a space where people are able to share their ideas and be heard. 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Anyways, Steve, welcome back to the show, my friend. 00:54:16 Speaker 2: Good to see you. 00:54:16 Speaker 9: Good to see you guys. 00:54:17 Speaker 2: Thanks. 00:54:18 Speaker 4: All right, So Steve, this conversation is born out of a group chat that we were having a text message chain and we're talking. We're kind of theorizing that in some ways that you know, this outcome could be very ideal, right, because let's talk about the alternatives, right, And you are a guy, admittedly you're a gen xer. You were like, hey, I want to there's a part of you that really wants to bomb the hell out of the you know, Iranians. 00:54:45 Speaker 2: At least the regime. 00:54:47 Speaker 4: Right, there's an instinct baked into you that is sort of like that. And yet you're looking at this deal, and you're like, hey, actually this is pretty positive, and so explain kind of your thinking about it and and why you have been more supportive than maybe some people might have anticipated. 00:55:04 Speaker 9: I think that we have to live in the world as it is, not as we want it to be, right, And you know, the funny thing about war is the other side gets to say in how it turns out, too, and so you know, we're always going to. 00:55:17 Speaker 2: Reach this standstill. 00:55:17 Speaker 9: When we talked about this as it was kind of the drum beats were leading into it, and I told you guys back then earlier this winter, I'm not for this. I had to test the Iranian regime. But we're going to come to a juncture where there's not really a way out. We don't want a regime change war. I don't think the president wants one. I know the American people don't. There might not be too many eighty twenty issues left in America. A regime change war at the opposition to it in the Middle East, I'm confident would be one of them. We can't afford it, the country doesn't want it. It would kill us politically. And that's assuming we could even do it. And we proved in Iran, in Afghan Iraq and Afghanistan, we're way better at deposing regimes than replacing them. And here we're dealing with way more complicated sectarian interest than you even were in Afghania stand Uh and in i Rack. You've got the Kurds who want thrown country. You have this, you have a large Shia Shia public a population. You have this, the young secularists that were going out in the streets and throngs and protesting this winter. You have two different large, six figure standing armies, at least they were before we started bombing them. You have the radical clerics. There's a lot of interest here right now. The Israelis and the Sunni Arabs are aligned in their disdain for the Iranian regime. But I cannot possibly believe, guys, that the Israelis and the Sunni Arabs are going to agree on what should come next, And so who gets to determine that. I'm not even sure amongst themselves that all the Sunny Arab countries, well, yeah, we want an LCCI or Irwin, but we want our Ruin. We want our LCC. There's you know, this is a box of chocolates. We cannot afford to open. I think the Iranian regime knew that they could just hang out and wait and and so we were always going to come to this juncture of they want to be. They want to be in Iran more than we wanted to be. So then what were we going to do? There's really only two options. There's only only two options. Whenever they get out of line, we just bomb the hell out of them, or we go back and do what Obama did. I resent, by the way, this idea that this is like the Obama deal. We've killed the first two strings of Iran, of Iranian government officials. They're down to the third string here next to the walk Ons. 00:57:16 Speaker 6: So Trump has. 00:57:17 Speaker 9: Taken his belt off and spanked the Iranian regime harder than any American president ever has. 00:57:23 Speaker 6: So already, guys. 00:57:24 Speaker 9: This is different than any other attempt to deal with the Iranians. They've never faced this level of corporal punishment from an American president before, who is willing, by virtue what he's done before, I think, demonstrated that he'll do it again if they get out of line. At some point, we have to face the reality of where we are domestically and come home and solve our own issues. 00:57:43 Speaker 4: I completely agree that the context is completely different than the JCPOA. The JCPOA was a weak leader leadership on the US side that was begging and pleading and bribing so that they didn't have to do military conflict, and the Rans read that like a book. They knew exactly the stakes and that they could play them like the suckers that they were. This is completely different because President Trump used force at the onset. You didn't have to like it, you don't have to love it, you could have been against it, whatever. But the mere fact that he's already shown he's willing to use force makes the two completely different. So now the credible threat of force is always on the table, and President Trump has been saying it. It's like, well, if they don't do it, we'll just bomb them again. Let's just keep bombing them. We'll blockade the straight again, and this time they will block it all the way to the point where those pumps stop working, and then you're really impacting the future viability of that regime and that country. So the point is not only is it popular, the context is completely different, and you better believe that this negotiation is gonna learn from the lessons of the JCPOA, so don't make those same mistakes. So I completely agree with you that this is nothing like JCPOA, even if you end up getting nuclear inspectors. Okay, so there's gonna be some things that are just that's the way the world works, and you who's gonna inspect it? You gotta have somebody inspected. So maybe that makes your mind think, oh, this is jcpo A two point zero. 00:59:05 Speaker 2: No, it's not. You gotta you know. 00:59:07 Speaker 4: And the fact that they're even getting creative about unfrozen assets being used to buy American produce to feed Iranian people as opposed to fun terror. 00:59:14 Speaker 2: These are good ideas. We should entertain them, right, agreed. 00:59:18 Speaker 4: I don't know if you have thoughts on any of that, Steep, but I mean, I just I get so irked by that. And then the last thing, this idea that jd. Vance is somehow looking weak in this, I totally disagree. I actually think he's looking like a rock star in this. I think his stock is rising. I think the polling shows that. 00:59:36 Speaker 6: I think let's do the latter first. 00:59:38 Speaker 9: I think some people are really hurting Mark or Rubio, and I think Rubio is playing this all very smart. He knows that Trump's going to determine our nominee next time. He also knows that Trump's going to determine if if we even have a primary at all, if Trump could endorse someone right from the asset there's no primary, or wait, let the primary play itself out and endorse someone when once there's you know, they've been tested a little bit against their competitors. But ultimately, King Trump's going to determine who his successor is, like all kings get to. And I think Rubio understands this, which is why he's just doing his job. Well, he's doing fourteen jobs right now, right the great meme that goes around, and he's kind of just focused on that. I think some people, and many of them are friends of mine and people that I agree with and broadly stand up with them against the anti Semitism infesting our ranks. But by kind of starting to try and have a shadow primary of twenty eight right now, by saying, like this weekend, they took this clip of Rubio from February and they tried to resurrect it, like he just said this last week in the midst of the Iranian negotiations. I think that they're they're they're labeling Rubio like he's Israel first, Like that's the only reason you'd vote for Rubio over Vance in twenty eight is that he would cause more carnage in the Middle East than JD. 01:00:44 Speaker 2: Vance would. 01:00:45 Speaker 9: And that's exactly how you won't get Mark or Rubio twenty eight. Not to mention, I don't know that King Trump will appreciate the fact that you think you're going to get him to nominate somebody for president who you think actually doesn't support even the very foreign policy that is Secretary of State he's charged with carrying out. The whole thing makes no sense at all. The other thing that doesn't make any sense to me at all is what these folks want us to do instead. And again they're friends of mine. I keep asking, but I don't get any answers. So I'm like, Okay, so you want us to keep you don't like the deal? Right, Okay, so you want us to keep and why don't you like the deal? Well, the Iranians won't keep any deal. I don't disagree, all right, So you want us to keep bombing him to get a better deal, right, But you don't think they'll keep the deal. Correct, all right, So it sounds to me, then what you want is regime change. No, no, no, you're taking me out of context. Don't say that. So you want us to keep bombing to get a better deal that they won't keep, But you don't want regime change, But you want that. 01:01:33 Speaker 2: What I'm confused? 01:01:34 Speaker 9: What is the alternative here that they want? It makes no sense to me. I don't understand. I want to understand, I. 01:01:40 Speaker 5: Don't, And I love the I kind of love the monarchical language here about it because it comes up so often. We saw where there was that quote that went viral a few days ago where allegedly they asked President Trump, are they going to remove the goal that you've kind of added around the White House? And supposedly he said there's no proof, but supposedly said, well, Cubans love gold, and so. 01:02:02 Speaker 6: They're hanging on. Oh what did the king say? That could hint at his intentions. 01:02:07 Speaker 5: And then on the other hand, the way there's been a lot of attacks on jd Vance for where he's been making the cell on the peace deal or the fact that he's doing it at all, And the blunt truth is he's the vice president who is selling a policy that the president chose, and they so collectively decide to ignore this act as though Jade vans on this one issue is the president and President Trump himself is out of the picture just so that they can attack him more. The whole thing has a very strange aspect to it, as though. Yeah, like you said, president Trump is this constitutional monarch controlled by his different advisors. And if there's one thing we know about Trump, it's that he really does march to his own beat and he's not controlled by anyone. 01:02:48 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I like what you said, Steve, because a lot of the people that seem to oppose this deal are people that we stay in shoulders and shoulder with when it comes to, you know, fighting anti Semitism. Right, it's kind of as guys like us, we're in this like in between space sometimes where it's like, no, listen, we want peace. We don't, you know, death to neocons. Okay, Like that's how I feel about it, But I also don't like anti semitism. It is, so you're finding yourself with almost strange bedfellows, like swapping beds or something. I don't know what, it's just very strange, but like the times that we live in are very strange, and I think we're finding our groove here. But I will tell you the peace proposal is widely popular. Why because Americans were not that supportive of the war in the beginning. Okay, what you're seeing is a referendum on the fact that we want peace. We deeply want to focus on domestic issues. So there's a lot going on here, Steve, and I just love the way you said it, and I want to get into it more because I put out a tweet saying, what's the. 01:03:48 Speaker 2: Alternative fifty thousand grand troops? Hundred thousand? Like how much bombing? Like what are we gonna bomb? How many civilian deaths? 01:03:54 Speaker 4: And I actually got some good faith answers that I want to go through and I want to talk about that because none of the alternatives make any sense to me. So, Steve, I asked this question. I said, those who oppose the deals should consider the realistic alternatives. How many ground troops would would regime change actually require hundred thousand, where would they be deployed, what would they what would likely American casualties be? So I just asked a bunch of questions, would it fall into a deadly civil war and sectarian mess? How many migrants would the West be forced to absorb? And they say it's a fake choice that I'm gaslighting. David Harsani says, these aren't the choices, not even close. But even if we wanted to disengage from the war, we could leave it status quo, which would be better than a deal, not only not enriching and propping up the regime, but restraining Israel and Gulf states from fighting. So basically everybody in the comments disagrees with me that I'm presenting a false chop. 01:04:45 Speaker 5: I think I think it is worth saying that there is a degree of false choice in that if we launch refugees, we don't have to. If we created a crisis, we would not have to let refugees into your Europe or into America. But unfortunately we've been around the block on this, and you know, some federal judge could require us to bring them in, or just we lose an election and they side throw it open. We have a million Iranian refugees, a million Kurds, a million Iraqis. Somehow Afghans get roped into this, and you know why not half of Africa too. 01:05:14 Speaker 4: Yes, so, and by the way, I just I'll read one more Steve, and I'll get your thoughts here. Because people are engaging in good faith. This is Eli Steinberg, he said, happy to engage in this. The fact that every argument for the deal goes straight to regime change and boots on the ground when that's not what people like me are arguing for, is the most distressing part of this. Why can't we have an actual argument about the deal on its actual merits? Why they need to light a field of straw men a blaze so they gives me a straw man argument. But I to your point, I play this out. I don't know what they're what they want, then I. 01:05:45 Speaker 9: Genuinely David Harsanya has been on my show numerous times over the years. 01:05:49 Speaker 2: Smart guy. 01:05:51 Speaker 9: Maybe I missed it, and maybe I'm the one with a double digit IQ. But he told you it was a false choice. Did he Did he tell you what his other choice was? Did he tell you that in his answer? Because what you shared with me, what was the alternative? What was the alternative? So the alternative, Okay, that's what I advocating for, all right, So we have to bomb them some more. 01:06:13 Speaker 4: Then he's saying, leave it in status quo. I guess, just keep the blockade going, which. 01:06:20 Speaker 9: We so we carpet bomb our domestic political situation and our own economy. Then you see what We're back here over and over again, which is why to me. 01:06:30 Speaker 6: You know what, I loved. 01:06:31 Speaker 9: I loved Operation Midnight Hammer, loved it. I love the idea of keeping these fools over there with their heads on a swivel, never knowing when we're coming. 01:06:39 Speaker 6: And and no giant armada. 01:06:40 Speaker 9: Build ups, no huge signals to the to the you know, the global economic order, get ready to screw the American people just in the dead and night, y'all wake up and you know what. Oh snap, that's gone. That's not there anymore. Anyway, back to normal order. Don't do it again. We're gonna come over. Just mow the lawn when you at least expect it. How about opera. I'm for Operation Midnight lug Nut, Operation in midnight, Phillips, screwamp, screwdriver, just start naming tools. I mean, we can mow the lawn over there as many times as we need to, and the dead and night. I'm all for it. And they and that regime absolutely deserves it. And notice that we didn't do nearly the carpet bombing to our own domestic political capital and our own domestic economy when we did that last June, compared to what this has done. So someone's getting bombed here, all right, We're either going to bomb them some more and continue to carpet bomb ourselves domestically and put our entire country on the line in these midterms over and whatever we're trying to accomplish with this regime, which is not a regime change. Don't call it that, but even though that's really what everybody that's complaining wants. And or we or we come home and we start bombing our own domestic political situation. You know, I've used this analogy on my show. Guys, I get a chance, thanks to organizations like TPUSA, to get to speak all over the country quite frequently. Every time I'm on a plane, right, they give you this this little rejoinder at the beginning. You know, you know, in the in the unlikely event that the plane may you know, suffer something catastrophica, go down, right and your oxygen mask drops. What's the first thing they always tell you about your oxygen mask. Put yours on first. Yeah, put yours on first, because if yours on on, you are not in position to help out anybody else who can't get theirs right. We have to put our own oxygen mask on right. Our way of life by a centimeter from Trump's brain nearly died in this last election. I want everybody to stop and think about all the gay retardation you'd be watching right now for America two fifty if that bullet is a centimeter closer to Trump's brain two summers ago in Butler, Pennsylvania. We have to solve our issues at home, and if we don't solve them here at home, we can't stand for any allies, let alone on our own. We have to at some point expend our capital here at home. 01:08:46 Speaker 5: I love that you mentioned that I saw something the other day. It was that image of where you can see the bullet going by President Trump's head and one inch that says civil war and the other says an entire summer spent arguing about the White House reflecting pool. 01:08:59 Speaker 6: But you're so exactly right. Yeah, yes, you're so correct. 01:09:03 Speaker 5: And this is such a concern of Charlie's that we know America has big vulnerabilities. We're still an immensely powerful, immensely rich country, but we have serious structural issues that need our focus. We need to we need to repair our patriotism. We're a divided country, and one of the ways you heal that patriotism is you make it clear your government is focused on the home front, improving the home front, is not embarking on far off adventures that we can't afford, because that divides your country. 01:09:30 Speaker 4: Well, and this is two polling graphs here from CBS. I've been thinking about it all morning. We played it earlier. The first one is seventy eight percent of Americans want to end the conflict. Now, okay, go to the next one. Has the US permanently stopped Around's nuclear program? Only thirty one percent say yes, sixty nine percent no, not done. 01:09:52 Speaker 2: Okay. 01:09:54 Speaker 4: I just want to make the point that, yes, we do not want Iran to have a nuclear weapon. President Trump has made that extraordinarily clear. And yet the American people are so uninterested in that question that they still think that they're gonna pursue a nuclear weapon, and they still want us to get out that that is the way that a constitutional republic works with a representative representative democracy. Okay, they get to say, and to your point, you're either carpet bombing Iran or you're carpet bombing are political fortunes in this country. And I'm sorry, but Democrats are simply unacceptable at this point. They have proven, they have rendered themselves. They are completely disqualified. Let's just put it that way. Final minute and a half. 01:10:39 Speaker 9: To you, Steve Days, I love Israel, Israel is an ally, but all allies to me are cousins. My immediate family is my country, right And so if your cousin wins the wins the lottery, you're very happy for them, except your spouse is sick and in the hospital. You're not sure when she's gonna get out, and so you're happy for them. But your immediate family is your concern, right, And and that's where we are right now. We have to address our immediate concerns, and we are at an existential cliff as a country. We cannot afford to continue expending our political capital in Iran. And the alternative is, well, we need a better deal that They also then say, Iran won't keep unless we keep threatening them militarily at some point we have to come home and start threatening Democrats politically. 01:11:27 Speaker 2: That's right, well, said Steve Das. 01:11:30 Speaker 4: Charlie loved having you on, and I'm so glad that you still make the time for us, Steve, because I just think it's just great. You're a great thinker, You're super smart, and Charlie was right to trust you and to believe in that and to see that. And I see it too, so does Blake, even though he's thank you, thank you as good at compliments as I am. 01:11:52 Speaker 2: Steve, thank you you well, my friend. 01:11:53 Speaker 4: Hopefully I had a great Father's Day that was phenomenal. 01:11:57 Speaker 2: Thank you. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to Charliekirk dot com.