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00:00:03 Speaker 1: My name is Charlie kirk I run the largest pro American student organization in the country, fighting for the future of our republic. My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth. If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're gonna end up miserable. 00:00:19 Speaker 2: But if the most important. 00:00:21 Speaker 1: Thing is doing good, you'll end up purposeful. College is a scam, everybody. You got to stop sending your kids to college. You should get married as young as possible and have as many kids as possible. Go start at turning point you would say college chapter. 00:00:33 Speaker 3: Go. 00:00:33 Speaker 1: Start at turning point youould say high school chapter. Go find out how your church can get involved. Sign up and become an activist. 00:00:39 Speaker 4: I gave my. 00:00:39 Speaker 1: Life to the Lord in fifth grade, most important decision I ever made in my life, and I encourage you to do the same. Here I am. 00:00:46 Speaker 5: Lord, Use me. 00:00:48 Speaker 1: Buckle up, everybody, Here we go. Noble Gold Investments is the official gold sponsor of the Charlie Kirkshaw, a company that specializes in gold I rays and physical delivery of precious metals. Learn how you could protect your wealth with Noble Gold Investments at noblegold investments dot Com. That is Noblegoldinvestments dot Com. 00:01:17 Speaker 6: All Right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. It is July eighth, and we are in the midst of the preliminary hearing week, and as the schedule goes, they're taking this morning off, so we have a normal show, which is actually kind of nice in the middle of the week because there's a ton of other news going on. 00:01:35 Speaker 4: It is going on. The world has not stopped. 00:01:38 Speaker 6: Nope, to say the least, even though it feels like that a little bit for me personally, because we what do we do. We do the show about the prelim preliminary hearing, and then we get done with the show, and then we watched the preliminary and then we do a post show. 00:01:49 Speaker 4: So but it is but actually, in fact, more news than normal is happening, and it's even occurred to me. It's a lot of stories that I think a mix of ones Charlie would have found very important, like with Iran, and also ones he would have found pretty entertaining. You know, Charlie would really love laying into Graham Platner's yo is Mitch mcconnald dead. Yeah, we'd get all over that. 00:02:10 Speaker 6: We have a great series of guests today, by the way, We've got just gonna start out the gates strong with Sean Davis, one of our absolute favorites. Then we've got Scott Jennings, who we're gonna ask is is Mitch McConnell dead? Is he are we weekend at Bernie's kind of thing or whatever? Got Cam Higbee, and then we got Alex Marlos. So just a total amazing run of show today. Sean, welcome back to the show, my friend. 00:02:34 Speaker 7: Good to be back. 00:02:34 Speaker 8: Thanks for having me. 00:02:35 Speaker 5: So listen, you know you're welcome back. You. 00:02:38 Speaker 6: You are one of those people if you say I want to come on, which you never do, I'm always the one asking, but you know you, I would just find a place for you. So it's great to have you. I want to start kind of with the biggie on the I chart here, which is the preliminary hearing. I've seen you active on social media. Explain to me how you think that's going. And then I want to get into the Iron staff get the. 00:02:59 Speaker 8: The Ohle hearing thing is a little weird because I guess they don't do the grand jury thing in Utah, so it's kind of, uh, wrap your head around it. When you're used to someone being and dieted and then they just end up being tried on the case, you know, it's a little quirky. So we're seeing a lot of very preliminary stuff. They're having to clear this bar of is there enough evidence to charge this guy? And you know, from what I've seen so far, I thought it was a pretty strong case before all the proceedings started this week, and I've moved from yeah, it's a pretty strong case to kind of it's like it's not just open and shut. It's a slam dunk case. They know exactly what Tyler Robinson was doing, they know where he was, they know when he was, They've got his DNA on everything. I don't expect it's going to be a long trial once the actual trial begins, but I've actually been surprised by how overwhelming the evidence is against Tyler Robinson. 00:03:53 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:03:54 Speaker 6: I mean, there's also kind of the social media of it all right. It's something that we've we've had to kind of, you know, be forced to experience firsthand, right with all the conspiracy theories, with all the noise it feels, and man, I've gotten so many texts to this effect, it feels like the tide is turning. It becomes incredibly difficult to hold certain conspiracy theories. When you find out there's video evidence of him being on campus four times that day, or when you find out that his DNA is on all the objects that were found on the rooftop, where we have video of him going up on the rooftop and dropping down and so on and so forth. 00:04:32 Speaker 5: What do you think. 00:04:35 Speaker 6: Of the state of the Internet right now and the social media of it all, and what has been the most I guess, breakthrough bombshell piece of evidence that we've seen so far from your eyes. 00:04:45 Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, the Internet's a weird place. It's so hard to tell if what you're seeing on it is represented of everyone or whether it's just a particular corner of the Internet is really loud, and there was a corner of the Internet that was super super loud. These are the peaceeople who just like think everything they see in real life is true crime, and they're a part of the case. They get to go solve this case and they can go a little crazy. 00:05:10 Speaker 9: You know. 00:05:10 Speaker 8: I think the crazy was running rampant for a little while, just with bonkers theories everywhere, And look, I don't have a problem with people being skeptical of an official government story. I think that's generally pretty healthy. But at some point you actually have to use your brain and be like, well, do the facts fit the case here? And then this one they absolutely do. I think the DNA evidence is pretty overwhelming, not surprising, but overwhelming. And then just the way they were able to track him, kind of casing everything moving about the meticulousness with which they have tracked him, I think is pretty amazing. That was stuff we hadn't seen so far. And so I think as far as like some of the crazies, you may have had people who are thinking like, yeah, yeah, you know, I assume Tyler Robinson did it, but I have some questions about this, and about that, I think you're going to even see that level of skepticism start to fade away as people are like, yeah, you know, it was. This was an interesting thing to muse about when there was a vacuum and nothing big going on. But now that the rubbers has met the road, they were actually to the point where we're going to be able to convict and then hold accountable the person who did it. I think you're going to see a lot of the nuttiness and a lot of the craziness kind of just melt away. 00:06:22 Speaker 4: I'm hoping you're right, Sean, although I'm also paying attention and it's very easy to see. There are a good number of people where I just think they come in with motivated reasoning. They've always been committed to I am not going to believe the case against Tyler Robinson, and they will find whatever they possibly can. So for example, yesterday we had, as we mentioned, the footage on campus four different times on on campus wearing normal clothes so you can easily tell who it is, and they're still running with oh, actually we think this is the wrong height for that person. We think, oh, they're wearing the same shoes, but different clothes were in So how do we know it's not they didn't switch out to an entirely Oh the limp is slightly off. We don't. 00:07:07 Speaker 6: And John, they're saying a bald man was driving the car late that night, which means it was either you or Blake. 00:07:15 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, we can joke about that, but they're they're really doing that, or they're saying he met with Turning Point people and I'm pretty sure they just meant he talked to the people. Okay, we're setting up the event, because he was that really quick. 00:07:28 Speaker 5: This is the silliest thing ever. 00:07:31 Speaker 6: Turning point, staff and students are out on the the you know, where they're setting up the event. They're out there early in the morning and lots of people come up and talk to them and they go, what time does it start? Sure, I'll come back, they're asking. And by the way, they want to encourage people to come. 00:07:47 Speaker 4: You should check it out. 00:07:48 Speaker 5: Come back when we're doing this. That's the way this works. 00:07:50 Speaker 4: That's clearly what happened. And instead people are I mean, we saw this with Candice. She's demanding who was the person that he was meeting with? I can't wait to find that out. Oh so you're going to go find another person to loop into your theories, another person to harass, another person to dig into every single one of their family members. It's disgusting and it gets back to the key thing which I've said is these people I don't think they're motivated by wanting to find the truth. They're actually just motivated. They want the person who killed Charlie to get away with it. 00:08:18 Speaker 8: Yeah, you know. It's so I've worked, you know, an investigative journalism for fifteen years. Before that, I was an investigator on the hill for an investigative committee. And the one thing you really learn is someone who investigates stuff and gets into it is you you have to learn not to get too bought into, like a particular theory, because this weird sort of confirmation bias kicks in and then it becomes like its own echo chamber and kind of self fulfilling prophecy. It's something you learn over time. You'll find this little tidbit and you'll get super excited, and but you have to learn, you know, at some point the facts need to fit the theory instead of looking constantly for ways to make the theory fit the facts. That's obviously what Candice is doing. That's what a lot of these people are doing. You know, whether she's nuts, whether she's dishonest, whether she's dumb, whether it's a combination of all three. A lot of people don't have the discernment or self control once they kind of reached the point of no return to just be like, oh, you know, I was wrong. I thought it was this. It's not that I'm moving on. She clearly doesn't have that. But thankfully most people are. 00:09:26 Speaker 9: Not where she is. 00:09:27 Speaker 8: She's not representative of the internet or everyone is all. 00:09:31 Speaker 5: Well said, well said? All right, uh Sean. 00:09:33 Speaker 6: One of the stories that is now happening as we speak, President Trump is in Turkey for a NATO summit and we're bombing her on again. 00:09:43 Speaker 5: So that's fun. 00:09:44 Speaker 6: He's now saying, you know, straight up to him, he says, to me, the MoU is done. I don't want to deal with these scumbags anymore. What do we make of this? Because I know you and I Blake included, we're skeptical about the but we're excited about the prospect of peace. 00:10:03 Speaker 5: Is peace achievable? 00:10:04 Speaker 1: Oh? 00:10:04 Speaker 8: I think peace is always achievable. And you know, with Trump, it's hard to know when he uses that rhetoric. Is he trying to scare them? We know he's not bluffing, because he's more than happy to just bomb the crap out of them back into good behavior. Is he bluffing? Is he trying to get them to come to their senses? And you also have the question of like, what is actually going on in Iran? Who is in charge there, who's making the decisions. Was this a deliberate government effort to go and try and blow up the MoU? Is there a faction in there that wants to keep the war going, that doesn't like the prospect of peace, and so they thought, oh, he Trump is in Turkey, let's go harass some ships on the Strait of hor Mooz and you know, show him whose boss. I think what's probably likely going forward is just a very very low level simmer, you know, pot shots here and there. I Ran doesn't really have the capability to do much beyond that. They've been bombed back to the Stone Age. 00:11:03 Speaker 5: They have no. 00:11:05 Speaker 8: They have no navy, they have no ability to really mount war against us. So it's kind of just like these little pot shots from the woods that they have. And when you take that into account, of course, pieces possible. As long as you have a president who is willing to have peace, as long as you have people over there who are willing to have it, it's possible. And so I think you have to understand that it's possible going forward. If you just throw up your hands and like, oh it's all over, everything's done, it's going to be war forever. I think that's probably a self defeating a thought, probably a self fulfilling prophecy. 00:11:36 Speaker 5: So we'll see what happens. 00:11:38 Speaker 8: I think they can probably be bombed back into good behavior, but who knows. 00:11:41 Speaker 5: We'll see. 00:11:43 Speaker 6: Yeah, And so we'll just play a little cut here from President Trump because he, like I said, he's meeting with all these world leaders NATO Summit, Turkey. You know, how about this H six You said. 00:11:57 Speaker 4: That dealing with the Iranian's is a waste of time. 00:12:00 Speaker 10: How do you plan to get the nuclear material and the nuclear assurances that you want. 00:12:03 Speaker 11: Well, we've already got the nuclear me duke. Because it's so far underground, nobody's going to be able to get it except us, because we have the equipment that you can get it. But I go it the nuclear dust, the nuclear material is so far down underneath the mountain, and now it's that's been determined that it would take massive machinery that we have that no other country. 00:12:25 Speaker 4: Heads they can get it. I feel like that's a that's a perfect encapsulation of how President Trump can pivot a little bit, because he's really talked about getting the nuclear dust, and now that the war's back on, he's well, actually it's you know, we're the only ones who can get the nuclear dust anyway. So it's a nice it's a nice to have, not a need to have. 00:12:43 Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree, it does sort of seem like you you're dealing. You mentioned this though, the command and control apparatus within Iran. It's difficult to know when there are these little strikes against these vessels, like is that coming from one, you know, kind of rogue element within the you know, decentralized command structure within Iran. Now it's hard to understand is a piece steel even doable? Do you even need one at this point? That's the question. Obviously, you want the straight of Horn Mooves open, and you want the energy flowing freely to the world. But there is this other thing where our production has ramped up. The other regional partners in that area have been re routing oil and gas around Iran. You know, they're currently constructing pipelines. Do we Is this something that we could just sort of outlast them on. 00:13:34 Speaker 8: Yeah, that's a great question, especially in light of what's going on in Turkey with NATO. So I think the first question you ask is does the US need the Strait of hormonves And the answer is not really, that's not where we get the bulk of our oil from. And so the next question is who needs the Strait of Horror moves open. It's Europe. They're the ones who need it open. They're the ones who are getting hurt the most. Now, obviously there are spot price impacts that affect the overall global price of oil there, but it's Europe that needs that oil. And so with trumping there with NATO, I think he's going to go in and make the case like hey Europe, hey NATO, remember you exist to protect NATO, to protect Europe. That was the whole purpose of NATO is to protect Europe from the Soviet Union. So this seems to be like maybe your problem to solve Europe and NATO. You know, we went in there, we removed the bomb. The crap out of the regime made it impossible for them to go after their neighbors. And now that the only thing left that there is the really major point of leverage. It's the Strait of Horror moves. It's probably a good idea for you, NATO and you Turkey and you Europe to take some ownership and accountability here and maybe you go and work on fixing this problem because it's actually not a big deal from the US. We can go and bomb Ran whenever we feel like it with impunity, But until that strait is totally open, it doesn't impact us all that much. It impacts Europe. So the fact that all of this is half and this escalation is kind of occurring as Trump is in Turkey dealing with NATO, I think is a really really fascinating aspect of the ongoing hostility over in Iran. 00:15:10 Speaker 4: I don't want to I'm not sure I I'm ready to go that far down because we're using that language of accountability. This is a war we did launch. This is a war that strikes we launched in concert with Israel. And would we like natives assistance? Would we like the assistance of the rest of the Middle East? I think we do, But I think I think there would be long term consequences if we took the attitude of we bombed it and now it's your problem. I think there's other ways we could look at going about this if we're not willing to do boots on the ground, which I don't like, Andrew doesn't like. One of the ideas is just what if we made a war winning level effort to build pipelines so that dovesn't have to go through the strait of horror news anymore. I feel like if you look at America in World War two, we could build things still. We could expand the Panama Canal, we could build thousands of ships. I think we could build pipelines and say, you know what, straight of horror moves doesn't matter anymore because all the gas is just going in a pipe to the Red Sea, to the Indian Ocean, wherever we need it to go. 00:16:09 Speaker 6: I don't disagree with that. Sean Davis, you are a great friend. I know you've got a busy days. Thanks for fitting us in here. 00:16:17 Speaker 5: Man. 00:16:18 Speaker 6: God bless you, and we'll definitely have you on again soon. 00:16:21 Speaker 5: So awesome to thank you for having me all right. 00:16:25 Speaker 6: Sean is one of the good guys out there, In case that wasn't very apparent, He's a fantastic guy. 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So I was tempted to do a little joke at the beginning of this segment and talk about one of my favorite movies, Weekend at Bernie's, but it was it would have been in bad taste. 00:18:26 Speaker 5: Scott, don't get mad of it. I'm kidding. 00:18:28 Speaker 6: You have gone out on social media and you have You've said you spoke with Senator McConnell and that he was sharp. Just tell us about that, because I'm still seeing it online that people think. 00:18:40 Speaker 4: They should set some context here, just because people have only been watching us that Mitch McConnell has been in the hospital and there's been rumors, conspiracy theories, if you want to say online that he is literally dead and they're hiding this. And so you did say that you've spoken to him, which would seem to be in content with that theory. 00:19:00 Speaker 6: Yep, exactly. So the floor is Joy Scott. 00:19:03 Speaker 3: Well, as you all well know, a lot of people say crazy things on the Internet that simply aren't true. And so look the center and I think for the audience's context, we go back over thirty years. As a teenager, I met him for the first time, and I was a McConnell scholar at the University of Louisville, which is a scholarship program. And you know, I was a reporter when I was in college, and then I became a political operative. 00:19:27 Speaker 9: I worked on his campaigns. 00:19:28 Speaker 3: I mean, I've known and been having an ongoing dialogue with this man for thirty two years. 00:19:32 Speaker 9: That's number one. Number two. He has been in the hospital for several weeks, and of course, when you you. 00:19:39 Speaker 3: Know, I've known someone for so long and they're at this age and they're in the hospital, it's quite concerning. And the truth is I hadn't spoken to him. I've gotten a few text messages, but I haven't spoken to him. So when he called me yesterday morning to chat, I was heartened by that because I had also seen the same things you all had seen, and so I just put out a quick report. 00:19:57 Speaker 9: You know, hey, talk to Mitch. 00:19:58 Speaker 3: McConnell, and you know, here's some of the issues he was discussing. I'm a little surprised everybody lost their minds over it, because I was just kind of reporting on, you know, what had happened. But we talked for about seventeen minutes, and it was sort of sort of a normal chat for us. He you know, he talks about politics and public affairs, that's what we tend to talk about. And then I also saw that he talked to Senator Barrasso and Senator Thune, so he was clearly working the phones yesterday. I think a lot of people are upset with him for one reason or the other, and they want to, frankly, in a very macabre or a terrible way. 00:20:33 Speaker 9: To sort of wish cast his demise. 00:20:36 Speaker 3: But my report was basically that he was He was up and about making calls and able to able to chat about some of the issues of the day. 00:20:43 Speaker 6: Well, and listen, Scott, you know, I certainly have my political differences with Senator McConnell, but I do not wish him ill. I wish I wish him a speedy recovery. And I completely respect that you are not Senator McConnell. Your politics are different. You have a great long history with him, and he means a lot to you on a personal level and your career and how you got here. And so I'm heartened as well to hear that he's doing better on the mend. I mean, I know it's no secret that he has been kind of going through a series of health scares in recent years, and he's getting older, he's getting up there. Does this did you get any inside or do you know anything about this? Just as far as kind of the future for him or how that will work. Is the plan is still to kind of serve out the term. 00:21:34 Speaker 9: Good question. 00:21:35 Speaker 3: I think also for context, we should tell people about Kentucky politics. 00:21:38 Speaker 9: McConnell is retiring. Was his term is up at the end of this year. He announced, you know, way back last year he wasn't running again. 00:21:45 Speaker 3: There was a primary. The Republican won the primary, named Andy Barr. He'll most likely replace McConnell in November. So at the end of this term, McConnell has done his career, will be over, he'll have been the longest serving senator in Kentucky history. 00:21:58 Speaker 9: It's a great achievement. 00:22:00 Speaker 3: Right now, as far as I know, he plans to continue to serve out his term. I didn't ask him specifically about that, Andrew, but as far as I know, he intends to. 00:22:09 Speaker 9: Serve out his term. 00:22:10 Speaker 3: I think in Kentucky, if you get past a certain date in August, if there were to be a vacancy, they would just have the election in November and then the term would you know, the new senator would take over in January anyway, So I don't really have anything to say about it other than you know, he seemed like he was, you know, sort of engaging in the news and the issues of the day, which sounded to me like someone who intended to come back to work as soon as he's able to be so. 00:22:37 Speaker 6: And Scott, I just want to just give you, just, you know, a vote of confidence and the fact that you would be willing to step into the breach and say something true and to do it fearlessly, even though you know the usual suspects online are gonna cry foul. 00:22:54 Speaker 5: And I love that. 00:22:55 Speaker 6: About you because my experience with you and my friendship with you has been that you are a fear truth teller. Even if I disagree with you on something or whatever. I'm not saying I do. I'm just saying it doesn't matter to you. You're gonna speak what you believe to be the truth, and you're gonna do it fearlessly. And you've been excellent on the whole Charlie thing as well, and the incoming that we've had, and you know, all these crazies, any conspiracy theories, and the attacks on Erica and the attacks on the ORG, and you know, turning their attention now on. 00:23:25 Speaker 5: I don't know what is it, Ben. 00:23:28 Speaker 6: Shapiro's the new thing this morning, But just explain from your vantage point. You know, I don't talk to you every day, your vantage point, what you're seeing out there. I keep getting a lot of people that are texting me saying the tide has turned. I think the evidence has been overwhelming. I've seen people truth tellers on social media get louder and more bold. 00:23:46 Speaker 5: What has it been like from your POV? 00:23:48 Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I'm enormously frustrated for you and for the Turning Point team because of what you have to deal with and I'm enormously frustrated and frankly angry for Erica because the things that are said and the people who are doing it for self aggrandizement, purposes, for monetization, purposes, for engagement, farming or whatever. 00:24:09 Speaker 9: I just think it's awful what they have done. 00:24:11 Speaker 3: So I get I get very you know, emotionally frustrated on your behalf, and I'm not the one that has to deal with it every single day. I think this hearing this week from my perspective, though, has sort of you know, the conspiracy theorists and the people who've been trying to create false narratives. 00:24:27 Speaker 9: I mean, they've kind of run into a brick wall this week. 00:24:29 Speaker 3: And because evidence is evidence, testimony is testimony, facts are facts, and when those things show up and blow up your conspiracy theories, I think it's quite embarrassing for these people. So do I think that you're ever going to get rid of all these people who are, you know, trying to do what they do for their own, you know, personal reasons. 00:24:49 Speaker 12: No. 00:24:50 Speaker 3: But I think every rational person out there is looking at the facts and the evidence and saying, Okay, we know the truth, we know what happened, and this process is now playing out as it should in a court of law, and you know that's what you're dealing with. You got a court of law where facts matter, and you've got this court of social media where nothing matters. And you all are are now getting the facts out in a venue where conspiracy theories have no quarter, only facts do. And I think that's that's helping turn the tide. 00:25:19 Speaker 9: I tend to agree with that. 00:25:20 Speaker 6: Yeah, And we have this great clip from Don Junior I think is really representative. I mean he was in the courtroom with Erica and her you know, and robing Kathy, Charlie's parents, and I thought it was a beautiful that he decided to go. I mean, Don is extraordinarily busy. People probably don't fully realize just how busy his life. He dedicated the better part of this week to go be in Utah with Erica, and this is what he told Fox News this morning, Top thirty two. 00:25:49 Speaker 7: I haven't been that vocal because I haven't known what's real and what's not. But having literally been there in the room seen the evidence with my own eyes, you know, it's very clear to me that Tyler Robinson will be found guilty. 00:26:02 Speaker 6: I think that's representative a lot of people. Scott, I think, yeah, go ahead. 00:26:07 Speaker 3: Well, I mean I saw his interview as well, and I thought it was so great that he went and then made that statement because a lot of people listen to Donald Trump Junior and when he speaks and does so with such clarity. You know, hopefully all the people that see the things that's being served to them by their algorithm understand that. 00:26:25 Speaker 9: You know, this is a credible voice. 00:26:27 Speaker 3: Someone who loved Charlie took the time to go and review what was happening in person, and he's giving you an actual report. And I think that's really you know, what's unfortunate. Here is a lot of people who are making a lot of money for themselves and a lot of attention for themselves. 00:26:41 Speaker 9: They have no idea what the facts are. They're not in the courtroom. 00:26:45 Speaker 3: All they have are conspiracy theories and lies and things that further a narrative that is for them. And then you have Donald Trump Junior and others going to the courtroom saying, here are the facts. 00:26:54 Speaker 9: I'm reporting them to you. 00:26:56 Speaker 3: I think the people who are out peddling the conspiracy theories are going to be outraged by this. And they're going to last shout and they're going to say mean things about it. But Donald Trump Junior did what I think any good friend would do, and that's to say I wanted to get the facts for myself. 00:27:11 Speaker 9: I saw them. I'm telling you what they are, and it's clear to me that Tyler Robinson is the murder. 00:27:16 Speaker 3: That is as clear and factual as you can be based on witnessing in the courtroom what's happening. And I would hope most people would take his word for that versus some of these lunatics on the internet. 00:27:27 Speaker 5: I totally agree. Scott. You know, I'm tempted to ask you one last. 00:27:32 Speaker 6: Question about Graham Plattner if you have any top line thoughts. We haven't got there yet, but the floor's yours if you want. 00:27:39 Speaker 3: You know, here's what I am marveling at the Party of Democracy Democrats. 00:27:45 Speaker 9: They're trying to throw a Platiner out. 00:27:46 Speaker 3: He won a primary, and ninety eight percent of what we know about Graham Platner was already known when he won his primary. People voted. It's just like Biden, you know, people voted for Biden, then they came along and threw him out too. I mean we're lectured by the Party of Democra all the time. There's no democracy in the Democratic Party right now. The only thing that happened was is that they all got behind a scumbag. They knew they got behind a scumbag, and his poll numbers have now fallen to the point where he's no longer viable. 00:28:13 Speaker 9: I don't I mean Graham Plattner. 00:28:15 Speaker 3: I mean he's apparently some near do well, you know, fake oyster farmer who works for his mom. 00:28:19 Speaker 9: I don't know. 00:28:20 Speaker 3: Why what else he has to do with himself except hang on for this nomination. 00:28:23 Speaker 9: I guess we'll see what happens. 00:28:24 Speaker 6: Today as well, said Scott. There's a reason CNN keeps you on. I will tell you, Scott, go get ready for your own show. Great to have you. Thank you for being a good friend and for standing by Charlie and the truth and your other good friend Mitch McConnell, which you know, I think that's actually really commendable. We could talk about his policies some other day. We could disagree with birth Yeah no, but have a great show today, Scott, and I will talk to you soon, my friend. 00:28:51 Speaker 9: Thanks Andrew. Good to see your brother take care guys. 00:28:56 Speaker 6: Alliance Defending Freedom knows that freedom belongs to those who fight for it. Americans have carried that legacy for two hundred and fifty years, and now we must do so again. Censorship is rising, threatening your free speech in every sphere, from classrooms to counselor's offices and even online. Unboardn babies are dying as abortion drugs continue flooding states nationwide. Parents are being cut out of kids' critical decisions for their lives. Your best gift by June thirtieth will help defend courageous Americans like Frank Caneppa, a counselor facing nearly ninety thousand dollars in fines just for sharing his Catholic faith. 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Graham Platner, the communist, adjacent, lunatic, the NEPO baby, fake oyster, farmer, pathological eye, very bad guy in essentially all ways. So naturally he won the He ran away with the Democrat nomination to challenge Susan Collins in Maine. And he has the Nazi tattoo. There's so many things. He basically has every possible scandal. You could have, adultery, abuse, sexual assault, but Blair, Nazi connections. But now it's a cool mustache. But now he has a cool mustache. But Democrats seem to have been realizing over the course of time they think this guy is going to lose, and so a new hit piece or new attack piece has just dropped on Platner. I believe it was published by Politico had it first. And it's another one of his girlfriends. We've already had a text from other girlfriends. This is another girlfriend who claimed that about I want to say, six years ago, that he entered her house by force and forced himself on her sexually, and that she's concealed it until now. But she has text messages where she's warning her friends about Platner. And so now they're lining up all of the Democrats. Rocanna has retracted his endorsement. Studies should drop out. Bernie Sanders has okay, well. 00:31:42 Speaker 5: Throw him out. 00:31:43 Speaker 6: Image please, it's I mean it's Shumer, Jill Brand, Pocahontas, Ruben Diego, Okay, Ruben methinks those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Mister Diego, you got Mark Kelly. I mean there's a ton of them. I mean they all, just all of them. I mean, it's like the memo went out. This is what's that's literally what it is. The memo clearly went out. Where we've seen this with the. 00:32:12 Speaker 4: Democrats, they'll have that cascade. They don't split into a never Trump and always Trump camp. The way you'll see in the GPA they are they had this guy, they were lining up behind him, even though he seemed disgusting. And now they've suddenly decided this guy is too dangerous. We're going to lose a winnable seat. Get him out. This attack at this attack story almost certainly came from Democrats. It's not Republican opo. And there's even threats that more is going to drop. But the and it's all perfectly timed because they want to get him out right now, because if they get him out right now, they can basically put up a new candidate, some random flunky, and then they probably think they can beat Susan Collins with a warm body as long as it's not Grand Platner. 00:32:55 Speaker 5: Yeah, so that's how it works. 00:32:57 Speaker 6: Grand Platner is now persona non grata with the group of people that embraced him, even though there have been allegations for a long time. And and by the way, I love the fake oyster farmer thing. I got to hit this because it's too good. Graham Platner. They say he's a he's just a working class maner oyster farmer. 00:33:20 Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, no. His like family is very wealthy. 00:33:24 Speaker 6: His mom owns a high end restaurant, and I believe like kind of a hotel or bed and breakfast or something that's attached to it, but the details on that or whatever, the high end restaurant. So when he's an oyster farmer, he's literally a hobbyist. He's a hobbyist. And guess how much he pays himself from his own business. 00:33:43 Speaker 5: Zero? Do you know why he doesn't. 00:33:45 Speaker 6: Pay himself anything from his own business because it makes no money because he you know, well that too, but he's he has one client over five thousand, that's his mom's restaurant. But I will tell you the other reason is because he's getting VA benefits he's getting he's getting a over it's almost like seventy thousand dollars a year tax free as long as he doesn't make more money. So he doesn't pay himself anything from the business. He's a hobbyist because he's got one client essentially, and that's his mommy. And I think his his family's like famous architect textures, architects, architecturs. I was thinking about a joke in my head, sorry, and it screwed me up. Architects anyways, So this is he's a total joke, and he's a total phony, and he's a fraud, and he's been pulling the wool over everybody's eyes because he, you know, wears like flannel shirts and he's got a big Walrus mustache. 00:34:36 Speaker 5: And that's what they want. 00:34:37 Speaker 6: They want a guy who is write coded, who says really radical things. That's essentially the model to beat a Republican. You see, you see this all over the place where they this is that the Tim Waltz playbook, right, Like, let's go put him out with a shotgun and some camo and act like he's just one of us. 00:34:55 Speaker 5: He's one of the boys. 00:34:57 Speaker 6: In truth, he's a total flaming ratic, left wing lunatic. You see that in Minnesota, you see that in Grand Platner in Maine. 00:35:05 Speaker 5: And that's the model. 00:35:06 Speaker 6: Anybody that hassan Piker is like, yeah, put him up there is probably a degenerate person who probably does awful things and who probably wants to destroy the country. 00:35:15 Speaker 5: That's their model. That's their model. 00:35:17 Speaker 6: And guess what, the Democrats are all complicit in this because they pushed him and pushed him and pushed him. They excused, they ignored, they gave license to this, They created the permission structure, and then when the polling fell, they finally decided, Oh, we're not gonna get the power that we thought we were gonna get politically, and so we're gonna toss him overboard because there are a bunch of frauds and phonies, an absolute, absolute indictment of the moral bankruptcy of the Democrat Party. And these are all the same people, by the way, that say that this, you know, eging Carol is a reason that Donald Trump should be thrown out and all this stuff. Well, they were silent until the polling dropped for grand Plattner, Eging Carrol's another fraud. 00:35:59 Speaker 4: They yeah, it's deeper. It's not even just that he's a fraud. It's like it gets at the Democrats have realized they've been losing the white working class for ages because they are a party that hates white men, straight white men, and they're always desperate to get them back, and they very easily fall for a person like grand Platner because he's the kind of guy that a lot of their voters fall for. Ye, these disgusting phonies, these rakish guys, these damaged guys, and they think I can fix him, and now the entire party is paying the price. It's entertaining to watch. I'm glad he's not in our camp. 00:36:35 Speaker 6: Hi, folks, Andrew Colvett here, I'd like to tell you about my friends over at why Refi. 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You want to know a fighter, a fearless guy that's willing to go into the breach, say hard things, go into hard places, puts himself at risk sometimes and I hope he stays really safe. 00:37:47 Speaker 5: That's Cam Higbee. Cam, welcome back to the show, my friend. Good to see you. 00:37:50 Speaker 10: Hey, thanks for having me, And I appreciate that. 00:37:52 Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, I have. We haven't talked actually much. We texted briefly last night we were talking about coming on the show. But I've been watching you just kind of be so loud and proud and fighting back some of the crazies here, and you know, you have my appreciation, and it just seems like you've taken it upon yourself and I really, I really admire that you sent me. This clip is an example of what we're up against here. When confronting real evidence in the court of law about Tyler Robinson, it just doesn't seem to even be able to It doesn't even go through for some of these people, not thirty five. 00:38:29 Speaker 13: It genuinely blows my mind that people still believe that Tyler Robinson is fully responsible for Charlie Kirk's assassination. Truly, like the people that believe that narrative, I have to believe that they have just not done their own research, because how how can you believe the narrative that they are pushing. It makes no sense in any type of world ever, it makes no logical sense. 00:38:58 Speaker 5: What are we dealing with here? 00:38:59 Speaker 10: Cam, I mean, it's total brainwashing. It's like, we've got video of the guy on the campus. We've got his DNA on the screwdriver, on the blanket the gun was covered in. We've got him placed on the roof. We've got him arriving in his vehicle to the campus. We've got him on the campus twice before it happened during and once after. I believe the evidence that Tyler Robinson is the shooter is mountainous. 00:39:25 Speaker 6: By the way, the defense is even admitting he turned himself in when they didn't even know. 00:39:31 Speaker 5: They didn't have a name for the suspect. 00:39:32 Speaker 4: Yes, they had a person of interest, they had no named suspect, and it's almost like they're setting they're already setting the stage for you should show mercy on Tyler Robinson because he cooperated with the process by turning himself in before he was a name suspect. And meanwhile, you have people online who are going to seize on everything. A very popular one now seems to be it was actually Lance Twiggs who did it? 00:39:58 Speaker 5: Right? Anyone else to me about that last? 00:40:00 Speaker 4: And I just said, you know, at a minimum, if it's Lance Twigs, that just means Tyler Robinson colluded with him in this murder. And at least we have one of them. 00:40:08 Speaker 5: Well exactly. 00:40:09 Speaker 6: So let's go through some of these these conspiracy theories that are popping up in real time. They're getting swatted down pretty pretty aggressively, which I'm it's fun to see. Let's talk about this bullet that was found elsewhere. It was an unused bullet, right, unspent bullet thirty. 00:40:26 Speaker 2: Seven, the unfired bullet that you refer to. 00:40:29 Speaker 14: Is your understanding that that bullet was accounted for? 00:40:33 Speaker 12: That's my recollection, Yes, okay, And. 00:40:35 Speaker 14: It possibly belonged to an officer that could have maybe been clearing his weapon. 00:40:41 Speaker 12: Yes, that was that was That's what I recall being told about that particular item. 00:40:45 Speaker 14: Yes, when you said that it was possible that that round was from an officer clearing his weapon, what exactly do you mean by that? 00:40:56 Speaker 12: A stand of practice and autopoman is to carry a roy fool cruise already, which is sorry, we carry our rifles in a situation which is called cruise already. 00:41:05 Speaker 14: What does that mean? 00:41:06 Speaker 12: Means we don't have a round chambered. So if an officer deployed with his rifle, he would chamber around once he had done whatever task it was that he was doing. In order to put that weapon back, he would eject the magazine and eject the round. Sometimes in doing so, rounds are dropped till not account it for. 00:41:26 Speaker 6: So it sounds pretty simple camp. Somebody on camp is probably double racked. They're gun to get cruiser ready, and it was a crazy chaotic scene and they didn't collect the bolt they're supposed to. But accidents do happen. 00:41:39 Speaker 10: Your thoughts, Yeah, I mean there's a lot going on. I mean you can just observe from the footage. Right after the shot was fired, everybody is running around and then the police are chasing down potential suspects. The initial guy came forward until he did it, and then they find out, oh, maybe it was somebody else that was up on the roof of this other building, and just like you said, they cruise without around in the chamber. So if you've chambered around because you're ready to fight somebody because there's just been a shot fired, you're going to eject that so it can be put back in the vehicle for procedure afterwards. If you eject around and it kind of flies out and you miss where it landed, it's perfectly plausible justification or explanation for how a straight round could have landed on the ground. I mean, there were plenty of armed people there, the good guys, right so. And the other thing that I noticed too is people were actually taking out of context the officer's testimony about when he went up on the roof and he said, it is just a little sidebar when he went up on the roof and he said, I don't think that we've got our guy, or we don't have the right guy, or whatever it was, because that initial guy came forward and said I'm the one who did it. I'm the one who did it, and they detained him. But it turns out that he wasn't the one who did it. I forget his name. 00:42:52 Speaker 6: George George Z talking about by the way, on the George Zen thing. I just want people to know this. I early days, I was like, what the hell is this? I mean, I I asked around, I was like what because this is crazy to me too. And basically this guy was a very well known psychopath local league. Yet believe he was banned. They tried to keep him out of these GOP meetings. I believe that certain high profile politicians in the state basically said, this guy's gonna get somebody killed because he's such a loon. 00:43:21 Speaker 5: And I think they arrested him. 00:43:22 Speaker 6: They found some you know, child stuff right on his on his computer. 00:43:28 Speaker 5: Whatever. 00:43:28 Speaker 6: The point is, he was a known bad actor, crazy person in Utah for years. Okay, next one cam, So this is I had the team pull just some random DNA conspiracy tweet. This one's from Diligent Dennis in FBI DNA examiner says DNA on Screwdriver and tow were almost entirely Lance Twigs only five percent Tyler Robinson to no One on one to Twigs ninety five percent and the other was eleven percent Tyler Robinson an eighty nine percent Lance Twigs. DNA is Twigs the real assassin. Okay, let's deal with that one. Here is is a clip where the cross examination of this DNA specialist from the FBI, so the state cross examines her thirty eight. 00:44:09 Speaker 15: You testified about exhibit seven and eight that they both had mixtures. Excuse me, he has items seven and eight and you're testing of these items that they both had mixtures, and you stayed, I want to make sure I understood this. You stated, I believe that the minor sample, the minor contributor, was less than twenty percent, and that it was actually five percent. The ratio was five percent to ninety five. 00:44:31 Speaker 2: Percent for one of the samples. 00:44:32 Speaker 15: Yes you remember that? 00:44:33 Speaker 12: Yes? 00:44:34 Speaker 15: Does that mean the five percent was from Twigs and the ninety five percent that ninety five percent is assumed from the defend the Robinson. 00:44:42 Speaker 16: When I calculate the statistic, twigs is DNA profile aligned with the five percent contributor and mister Robinson's DNA profile aligned better with the ninety five percent contributor. 00:44:50 Speaker 15: Okay, same question with regard to eight. I think you said the ratio was eleven percent from the minor and eighty nine percent from the major. Is that Twigs being the eleven percent and Robinson being the eighty nine percent. 00:45:00 Speaker 16: Yes, Twigs better onliged with eleven percent contributor and mister Robinson better aligned with that seventy nine percent contributor. 00:45:06 Speaker 5: All right, so there you go. 00:45:07 Speaker 6: That's on cross put up Liz Wheeler's tweet just so we can see it. DNA on the talent screwdriver, Lance Twigs five percent, Tyler Robinson ninety five percent, Lance Twigs eleven percent, Tyler Robinson. 00:45:19 Speaker 5: Eighty nine percent. So I don't know. I don't even know what they're doing here at CAB. Do you have thoughts we're doing what they've always done. 00:45:27 Speaker 4: They're making stuff up. 00:45:29 Speaker 10: They the trial and they take it out of context and they try to spin a certain way. Same thing that I was just talking about. They tried to say that when he said they don't have the right guy, that he was actually talking about Tyler Robinson, not Zen. And they've done this with a number of things, including the compilation. They said that there's no footage of the shop being fired or of the shooting, when they were just talking about one specific exhibit. We don't necessarily know if that exists yet, but doesn't really matter either. There's almost never footage of the murder. There wasn't. When Carmelo Anthony got killed, there was no footage of him a right, when when Austin Metcalf got killed, there was no footage of Carmelo Anthony stabbing him, but everybody still believed it, and the same people, by the way. 00:46:06 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's such a good point. 00:46:07 Speaker 4: You rarely have video of a murder, so you rarely have as much evidence as we have been fortunate enough to collect in this case of a confession of DNA of video footage of them at the scene of. 00:46:22 Speaker 5: But he's just a patsy. He's a patsy. 00:46:24 Speaker 6: And you know why I know this cam because his different legs bend in the video. 00:46:30 Speaker 5: All right, so let's look at this. 00:46:31 Speaker 6: This is the bending of the knee one which is which is a lot of fun SOT thirty nine. This is actually the surveillance footage that was presented at court, this massive, massive, bombshell footage of Tyler Robinson. Once he comes back in the long pants and he's different legs are bending, I guess UHT thirty nine. 00:46:49 Speaker 12: He heads out of the pucking garage on foot into the campus and actually goes to the quad area of the campus. At that time, he makes contact with some representatives from TPUSA, like Quad Area. Sorry, the amphitheater is what I've previously referred it to, all right, all. 00:47:10 Speaker 6: Right, so that was actually a different one. I apologize. This is the referencing the makes contact with Turning Point. I was another big one I saw online. I'll handle this camp. But you've been at some of our tabling events you've tabled. When you're setting up, there are dozens of students, volunteers, a few staffers, the tech people setting up, they're there. You can just walk right up to them and say, hey, how you doing? What times the events start? And that's apparently what happened here? Does this shock? Does this prove there was coordination between Tyler Robinson, who they say didn't do it, by the way, and Turning Point staff. 00:47:52 Speaker 10: When I table, I get people that come up to me and they start trying to debate me while I'm setting up. So like, definitely half the time when those people are kind of just around you in the setup phase and I set up my own tables with whoever I'm with, whether it's Turning Point people or my people or whatever, people just come up all the time, and most of the time you don't agree with those people. Most of the time. Those people are not conservatives who just want to root you on, you know, so it doesn't surprise me at all. Anyone can just walk up at any time. It's a public campus where you know that Tyler Robinson was moving around the campus all day. 00:48:25 Speaker 4: Everything about it is setting up as you said, people get tethered to their particular weird theories. Everything sets up as you would expect a person who wants to do a shooting. He shows up the first time to confirm the event is on, make sure find out what time it's all going to start, shows up a second time to scope out where he plans to commit the crime, shows up a third time to commit the crime, shows up a fourth time to try and retrieve evidence. All of it is laid out very clearly, and instead some people are I've said earlier in the show cam, I think some people they really are just motivated by an intense desire to see the killer get away with it. I don't feel like they're looking for truth when they decide to fixate on, Oh, who's this turning point person that the suspects spoke with. We better find them and harass them. I suspect police know who they spoke with. I suspect police have spoken to them. I suspect that evidence will be presented at the trial, and I suspect it will have nothing to do with any theories people come up. 00:49:24 Speaker 5: With ice time. 00:49:25 Speaker 6: I genuinely find this one, you know, ridiculous, but they're going to hook their you know, claws into it. 00:49:32 Speaker 5: Anyways. Okay, this is another one that so did you want to say anything else? Sorry? Sorry? Camp. 00:49:37 Speaker 10: A lot of times the people around the tables too, are like college chapter people. I mean, it's not like you know, direct report to you Andrew. 00:49:49 Speaker 4: That only makes it that only makes it more appealing to these people because they'll think, oh, a college student, that's an easier person to bully. They must harass. They had an inside man, they had an inside in the campus. That's what they'll run with, all right. They'll do that with every opportunity they can get, because I think most of these a lot of these people are just motivated by being bad. 00:50:09 Speaker 6: Okay, So here's the next one, the bending of the legs. This is when Tyler Robinson comes back to campus to actually commit the crime. This is a gentleman named Matt Kester. I'd never heard of him before, but he did a demonstration on his YouTube page showing what happens when you disassemble a rifle into two pieces and you stick one down either leg and you sort of use your armpit to kind of keep it in place. 00:50:35 Speaker 5: It top forty. 00:50:37 Speaker 9: Well, my eighteen year. 00:50:38 Speaker 17: Old six foot something assistant here, who weighs how many pounds? Okay, I don't know what the killer's weight was, but we do know that based on the mugshot, he was about seventy two inch is tall. The change was carrying the stock in the front being seen on here. This jeans are a little bit bag here, but if you pull them back, you remember that image of the gigantic cell phone sitting right. 00:50:57 Speaker 5: Here in the thigh. 00:50:59 Speaker 9: That's your stock. 00:51:00 Speaker 17: That explains why the leg motion cannot come forward because it's completely locked in a walk towards me, that way walk straight at me. 00:51:21 Speaker 6: So he's actually got the barrel and the stock in. One of the theories is that they had it down either leg right, and depending on the fabric of your jeens, you could bend one or the other going up and down the stairs. So that's what's been described on some videos. There's actually a video I'm thinking of right now that we should have probably pulled. But this is their newest theory is that one leg bends in the other doesn't. The problem is he's probably got something down both pant legs actually cam any thoughts. 00:51:49 Speaker 10: Yeah, totally, I mean they I'm like, this is not possible, even just the putting the rifle down the pants thing. But I've seen multiple variations of the same video that you just showed where different people are either shoving a whole thirty odd six down their pants or they're disassembling at thirty odd six and putting the barrel down one in the stock down the other, and they have close to full motion in both cases if they really want to do full motion. Now, Tyler Robinson might have been a little bit more skinish because he's going to assassinate somebody, so he might not have bent his legs as much just because he didn't want Maybe the barrel would poke through his legs and somebody would realize something's off. But totally possible. 00:52:29 Speaker 5: Totally possible, all right. 00:52:32 Speaker 6: So the other thing that we're still going with is that it was there's a height difference, so there's an allegation that the person in the video was actually six two sixty three. This is coming from Candace herself. But as you heard in that clip, by the way, he referenced directly, seventy two inches, which is not five ten five eleven, it's six foot. So there's that, and then we've got that. We'll play a clip from her. This is that she doesn't believe that he was on campus that day, which one is that? All right, we'll see. I think this is it forty one. 00:53:09 Speaker 18: I do not believe that Tyler Robinson is the person who was walking in that staircase. 00:53:13 Speaker 5: So real, real quick. 00:53:14 Speaker 6: Obviously that was before the preliminary hearing, but that's still a large degree of their allegations online. 00:53:21 Speaker 4: Silly. It's just silly. They're they're saying he has to be way taller because he has he looks lanky, So I guess they're unfamiliar with the idea of a twink who's not very this event, doesn't have a has an elongated body, even if they're not that tall. Yeah, Okay, Tyler Robinson didn't lift. 00:53:39 Speaker 6: So my response on social media is like, I remember when I first heard that Tom Cruise was only five seven too, looked a lot bigger on all those movies for a long time. 00:53:49 Speaker 5: Final fifteen seconds to you, Cam. 00:53:51 Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, it's just ridiculous. They desperately want Tyler Robinson not to be the person. What's the evidence that's not Tyler Robinson? There is none, And they say, well, we have it in present with evidence that this is Tyler Robinson. Well, that's probably because we're not in the trial yet. This is a preliminary hearing where they're just admitting evidence a probable cause, and then in the actual trial the defense and the prosecute argue with each other about whether or not that. 00:54:13 Speaker 6: Actually Cam Higbee, my man, keep up the good work. We'll talk to you soon. If you're about to turn sixty five and you're already on Medicare, this message is for you. Charlie cared about America seniors. He was outraged that so many were paying too much for their Medicare coverage and getting less than they deserved in return. That's why he partnered with Chapter and we're still partnered with Chapter. Chapters licensed advisors search every Medicare plan to find what's actually best for you. The call is one hundred percent free, no pressure, just honest help seniors save an average of eleven hundred dollars a year. With Chapter they've already helped hundreds of our listeners enroll in better plans, and they can help you too. 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You're POV from the outside looking in. 00:55:41 Speaker 2: Uh Are we talking about the trial? 00:55:43 Speaker 19: Yes, sir, yeah, it's it's it seems like we're getting more kind of excruciating details about stuff that I think people who are Oukham's razor people. 00:55:53 Speaker 2: I'm an Aukham's razor people. 00:55:54 Speaker 19: I always kind of default to the most obvious explanation is the explanation, and there occasionally it's not. 00:56:01 Speaker 2: Occasionally it's very complicated. 00:56:02 Speaker 19: There's a very conspiratorial web that has actually worked its magic and somehow pulled off some sort of unbelievable thing and pulled the wool out from all of our eyes. It just seems like we're getting a lot of confirmation of the most obvious explanation about what's happening. 00:56:16 Speaker 2: And it's deeply painful to. 00:56:18 Speaker 19: Watch, and it's hurtful, and I think that a lot of the conversation online is exposing a lot of people who I'm sure gonna come up in the course of this conversation, who have gone out of their way to try to i think, obfuscate and to cast doubt upon getting clarity for the true victims of Charlie's death. And I think it's all just so horrific, But hopefully there'll be some closure involved at the end when the dust settles. 00:56:44 Speaker 6: All right, So you want to name names, all right, Well, here's here's one. This won't be the first time we've mentioned today. But whatever this is, Candice, it top forty five. 00:56:56 Speaker 2: I do think is behind this. 00:56:57 Speaker 18: I don't do you think Tyler Robinson was there? 00:57:00 Speaker 12: This is a video of mister Robinson returning back to campus the same way that he did previously on foot. 00:57:06 Speaker 18: I do not believe to the person walking in the staircases, even the person that we saw running off of the roof. 00:57:11 Speaker 14: We're able to track mister Robinson when he leaves this parking structure. 00:57:18 Speaker 12: Yes, we were able to. 00:57:19 Speaker 2: Okay, what are we seeing now. 00:57:21 Speaker 12: Mister Robinson lowering and jumping off of the roof of the Loci building onto the gross area. 00:57:27 Speaker 18: I don't even know what day that person was running off the roof that's. 00:57:30 Speaker 12: Just Offternoon, about twelve fifteen on one day, September tenth, twenty twenty five. 00:57:36 Speaker 5: So that's that your reaction. 00:57:41 Speaker 19: Is just so devastating to the conservative movement to turning port USA to Charlie Kirk's family and his legacy, to those who actually did know Charlie and loved Charlie and work with him closely for so long that this individual has gone out of her way since his death to try to destroy his family destroys organization and is so willingly lying through her teeth, saying things she knows nothing about, and even though there's overwhelming evidence portraying one one narrative, to go out of her way to suggest that actually, that's all fake, that's all smoke and mirrors, and this other narrative of which I have no evidence whatsoever, that's the real narrative. And to continue to peddle this over and over again and be able to garner attention for it. It's very upsetting, and it comes from a very dark place, and it's a place that we're all going to have to explore unfortunately. 00:58:31 Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, it's interesting because there was this expression Blake and I were discussing it yesterday. It's a medical expression, I think, where they say when you hear the sound of hoofs approaching, you probably should look for horses, not zebras. 00:58:46 Speaker 5: Right, it's kind of a weird one. 00:58:48 Speaker 6: I hadn't heard it before, but somebody brought it up to me yesterday and I was like. 00:58:51 Speaker 5: Man, that's so true. 00:58:52 Speaker 6: What do you think it is about the online space, the social media of it all that seems to incentivize people looking for zebras anything other than Tyler Robinson being the murderer here. They want anything else to be true. They've even said they would be willing to go on stand to defend Tyler Robinson despite DNA evidence, despite turning himself in, despite the defense not even arguing that he didn't turn himself in, despite the evidence, the defense not even arguing, you know, shape charges or exploding mics or anything like that. Why this incessant demand to look at any other potential reality other than the one that's staring them right in the face. 00:59:36 Speaker 4: We know why, but all at Alex's answer. 00:59:38 Speaker 19: Yeah, I think there's a few potential explanations. There's the darkest one, where there's literal, demonic possession of that individual that you're playing, And that's one. I think a lot of people wonder what's going on? How could you behave so evillly so publicly. The other thing is, of course, cloud changing is just very addictive to get online views, as people know, and people follow their traffic very closely, and that's very simply sort that could explain some of this. But I think what's more compelling is Candice is really operating as like a cult leader. If you look at the hallmarks of what a cult leader does. They keep things very vague but also simple. They provide answers that other people don't, even though there's really no evidence behind the answers, but they're very convincing, and the way they portray it, they emphasize and this sort of sensational over what's intellectually available to people. And it just does feel like there's almost like a religious nature to some of her followers. It just makes me think that that's what's going on. Also, she kind of disguises I think how much she makes. She's getting very wealthy off of this process, and that doesn't seem to come up at all. 01:00:36 Speaker 2: She accuses all sorts of people. 01:00:37 Speaker 19: You, Andrew, I heard you've been just printing money since Charlie got assassinated, even though you start all these businesses with him and your financial future was tied directly to Charlie. No, you've been the greatest beneficiary financially at all. 01:00:49 Speaker 3: All. 01:00:50 Speaker 19: That's classic projection, because she's getting rich doing this stuff, and it's all so sick and I can't believe. 01:00:55 Speaker 2: Weve got to keep doing it over and over again. We've got to keep watching this stuff. 01:00:57 Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, it's interesting though, it does feel like the tide is turning. Really, I've noticed a massive uptick in brave voices stepping forward and confronting it, and I'm super encouraged by that this weekend. This week has been incredibly hard because we're forced to relive this awful moment, but it's also been really encouraging to see people look at the evidence react the right way. 01:01:25 Speaker 5: You know that you would you would think people would react. 01:01:27 Speaker 6: And then actually speak up and say, guys, what are we doing here? And so I don't know if you've noticed that too, but I have been personally encouraged to see people moving in the right direction. 01:01:39 Speaker 5: At the very least. 01:01:41 Speaker 19: It's very tough to maintain any credibility when you go on one the biggest podcasts in the world and say I don't think Tyler Robinson was there, and then a week later you see actual footage of him being there specifically, plus more details about you know, walking with a limb, things like that that are also pretty compelling. 01:01:58 Speaker 2: It it's shredding of credibility. There's no credibility laughed at that point. But for I think most. 01:02:02 Speaker 19: People who've been observing this, there was no credibility weeks ago, and still it goes on. The charade goes on, the reality TV that takes place on YouTube goes on. So but I really wanted Blake's explanation too, Blake dive, I want to hear what you have to say. 01:02:15 Speaker 5: Yeah, I meanschology. 01:02:18 Speaker 4: I'm just on. I think, first of all, I think a lot of leaders I've asserted. I think I think Candae, for example, was resentful of Charlie while he was alive. I think she was resentful of Erica for being someone Charlie loved more than her. I think she took an ego injury when she was not immediately asked to take over turning point. I think all of those things play a role, and I think I think she just genuinely wants the person who killed Charlie to get away with it. I think she wants that to be the case. And I think a lot of her followers are committed to a similar thing, a similar tech because the way they act, they don't act like people who are really interested in the truth. They act like people who are interested in hurting people. That's why I flagged. When they're they're now really interested in the idea of identifying who at Turning Point spoke to Tyler Robinson, whatever random Turning Point volunteer or staffer was helping set up the event. They want to find this person so they can get claws into them, Bully them online if they have social media, Bully them in real life if they can get away with it, dive into their family members. Make these people feel miserable and attacked. Andrew, you and I we've gotten attacked for a while. We're used to it, we're used to what it is. But if you're not a public person, that's a really unpleasant process to go through. It is you feel terrorized. And they like the idea of terrorizing someone, even if they're not fully just thinking, oh, I'd love it if the person who killed Charlie got away with it. A lot of people they find it very addicting to find some excuse to be cruel to somebody, to be nasty to someone, and tell themselves I'm doing the right thing. I'm a crusader for justice. You always have to look out for that. This is why lynch mobs are bad. This is why mean girls stuff is bad. It's very intoxicating to be evil and cloak yourself in the mantle of righteousness. 01:04:12 Speaker 19: So driving this I think it's part of why I think my cult point is worthwhile because a lot of the followers it's very hard to pull yourself away from cults when you're so invested. You've been spending all this time, these hours, trusting this individual to bring you the truth, and you realize it's it's all completely false, all of it's completely bogused. It's very hard for you to mitche yourself that I've been misled, I've been led astray, and I've been wasting a bunch of my time. And people don't necessarily respond to that by saying, well, now I want the truth. 01:04:40 Speaker 2: No, people get very angry. 01:04:41 Speaker 19: They get angry with themselves, they get angry with people surrounding them, and that's what we're witnessing. 01:04:45 Speaker 2: That's what we're gonna witness. 01:04:48 Speaker 6: Hi, folks, Andrew colved here, I'd like to tell you about my friends over at why REFI. You've probably been hearing me talk about why REFI for some time now. We are all in with these guys. If you or someone you know is struggling with private student loan debt, take my advice and give them a call. Maybe you're behind on your payments, maybe you're even in default. You don't have to live in this nightmare anymore. Why ref I will provide you a custom payment based on your ability to pay. They tailor each loan individually. 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Okay, Lance Twiggs has limited immunity, And I just want to say this at the top. If it becomes clear that Lance Twiggs had a more direct role in what happened to Charlie, I hope he rots in prison or more. Right now, he's getting limited immunity as a as a witness for the state to present evidence against Tyler Robinson. I think that is going to be a really, really big moment. I hope today's the day that we get there. But the defense is making this thing drag out a lot. 01:06:50 Speaker 4: They They've made it take an hour for one of the witnesses to identify the defendant in the courtroom. 01:06:55 Speaker 6: They took an hour to establish Charlie's Christianity. 01:06:59 Speaker 4: Yep, they are. They're taking their time on every aspect of this. But that's one reason we're doing our shows with this focus. We want to make sure people are able to see and digest everything that happens. 01:07:10 Speaker 6: Yeah, you're you're are you what are you most anticipating, Alex? 01:07:15 Speaker 5: That's for me, that's what it is. 01:07:16 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great point. 01:07:18 Speaker 19: I am thought of that way, but it does seem like they're really making sort of pro forma stuff take forever, which is I don't understand the strategy, but I guess maybe that's all they got because there's so much overwhelming evidence against the defendant here. 01:07:30 Speaker 2: But the Twigs. 01:07:32 Speaker 19: The Twigs angle is very interesting because it just seems implausible that Robinson would have done this without Twigs coordination. It just seems like that he would do this on behalf of Twigs and then that's it, just like as a favor or something. It seems like there had to have been some sort of deeper connection to it and just simply saying an opportunity to take out Charlie and I'm gonna take it. It just it seems very thin to me. So there's obviously more there. The question is what is the more there and how much did they bond over hatred of Charlie, which I'm guessing is more substantial than we've known to this point. So I'm definitely curious to see where that goes. Because of course Twigs is a bad actor in this. Did Twigs specifically do anything illegal? Everyone watching here would bet yes. So the question is what is that? Can we figure that out and have him held accountable as well. 01:08:22 Speaker 6: So last year a YouTuber named Turkey Tom had a whistleblower come forward identify himself as either a roommate or like a friend that he was in the same friend group friend group. He would come over to their house a lot. And I really recommend people check this out. I Jack Posobic tweeted about it and linked to the episode, and I have been told credibly that this is this person is checks out that this actually was somebody in their friend group, their friend orbit, and the story that he tells is one of absolute manic to prey ess, of rampant drug use, black market HRT, extremely graphic and sort of like I want to remember that there's eleven year olds watching this, but sexual acts sort of like in the house between Twigs and Robinson, And remember that Robinson was an LDS kid. He's a Mormon kid who strayed from the Mormon church. His first his first I guess lover if you will, was this Lance Twiggs character who is very manic. It was very all over the place, and it kind of had a really dark side and was trying to transition. 01:09:41 Speaker 4: Well It's what we were discussing earlier. The way you can construct this you can choose to fixate on everything that can possibly undermine it, or you can look for the horse hooves or the zebras, and the horse hoof here is okay, Well, what would dry? What kind of person would commit a heinous, out of the blue political assassination basically throw their life way for this sort of thing. And you'd probably think, oh, let's find someone who's living a very bizarre life where they would be marinating in strange online stuff that that would radicalize them ideologically, It would make them think insane violent actions are suddenly more comprehensible. They might have a partner or a friend who's driving them onwards and lo and behold, this is what we are finding in the case. 01:10:23 Speaker 6: Yeah, and Tyler Robinson sort of is painted in this is this quiet person that was the only person to comfort I mean that we're talking images of him coddling him on the couch, rocking him back and forth, trying to make Lance twigs okay. And you could see how all of those elements combined would lead somebody like Tyler Robinson who had been living in this very dark place detached from reality, disassociating from normal morality, could think that doing something so heinous was actually an act of love for somebody like Lance Twigs. Those are just thoughts, but Alex find. 01:10:58 Speaker 19: Yeah, I think it's the Yeah, the vization arc is something I think all of us are very curious about, those of us who mutually care about him, that how could this guy do this and play god in this way? And what was the process for him, seeming like a normal guy with the normal family to get to this sort of level of evil And what connection does Lance Twiggs have in that is a curiosity among many others. So any more that can be done on that front, hopefully from a legal standpoint, we all want justice, that's number one. But also I think a lot of people love Charlie would like some clarity. I think that would help us find some peace we start to understand more of those details. 01:11:33 Speaker 6: Man, I certainly would count myself among that group. I mean, that's what's so frustrating about this whole thing. We've been swatting away the gadflies here and we haven't gotten a chance to be the ones to express our questions because we're constantly trying to you know, deal with the crazies out there, like there. 01:11:50 Speaker 5: Are legitimate questions. I want to know answers. 01:11:53 Speaker 6: And by the way, I have been pushing behind the scenes, and so it's Blake and so's Erica. 01:11:56 Speaker 4: Like Alto on the record, I don't feel we ever saw us a full status factory accounting for the weird videos. 01:12:02 Speaker 6: Totally who else was in the discord chat? I want answers to all of this stuff, and hopefully we're gonna get it. 01:12:08 Speaker 5: The right way. Alex Marlow, You're a good friend. It's good to see you, my friend. 01:12:13 Speaker 2: Thanks, guys, I'll talk to you soon. 01:12:18 Speaker 19: For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to Charliekirk dot com.