Tyler Robinson Hearing Aftermath: Day 3

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Today started at one o'clock Mountain time, and so we lost out on half a day and it just got bogged down in a bunch of arguments. But there are significant things that happened. 00:01:47 Speaker 2: Not a lot of us. Well there was. There's two things and it kind of leads to a third big thing. 00:01:51 Speaker 4: Here to help us break this down is Liz Wheeler hosts The Liz Wheeler Show on Blaze TV. She's been doing amazing work, really heroes work, Liz. On what you've been doing, just fact checking, fact checking, fact checking. 00:02:06 Speaker 2: Give us your perception of how it's gone so far and today Hi and Drew, Hi Blake. 00:02:12 Speaker 5: Yeah, my small service, you know, to honor Charlie's legacy is just to make sure that I can help untangle the truth as the truth comes out. I think the three days, especially the first two days of this preliminary hearing, the probable cause hearing, have been incredibly damning for Tyler Robinson, which is maybe not unexpected for some of us who've been tracking the facts and the evidence from day one. But it's also been a very revealing couple of days for applying these facts against the delusional conspiracies that we know have you know, taken root among so many on our side. So when we saw the video yesterday of Tyler Robinson's movements showing up four different times on campus, that's incredibly revealing. Watching him scale that staircase, seeing how easily accessible the roof is, watching him lie prone on the corner of the roof, and then the moment that the shot is fired, get up and run away, jump off that roof, seeing him limp as if he has a rifle down his pants, which of course is the allegation. These are incredibly telling things hearing the testimony about the DNA that on the towel and the screwdriver which were found on the roof that were allegedly used by Tyler Robinson, to see that the vast majority of the DNA samples on both of those items was a match for Tyler Robinson, and then a small portion of the DNA found on those items was from his transgender lover, Lance Twigs. These are incredibly revealing things to see today. I think the timeline of when he turned himself in about nine pm Mountain time, which would have been local time to the Washington County Police, and then seeing that juxtaposed against when he made that confession to the discord chat that he was part of, that would have been over an hour. The confession would have happened over an hour prior to him turning himself in to hear the testimony. That he was then not formally arrested until they had probable cause, and that maybe happened at four am local time. These are incredibly revealing, incredibly damning pieces of evidence against Tyler Robinson. And the thing is this is just the preliminary hearing. This isn't even necessarily like the good stuff or the most compelling evidence. This is just enough to establish that a trial should take place. And I'm glad in a sense that America's watching because I'm glad that they can see these facts for themselves. 00:04:33 Speaker 6: Finally, and it's not only preliminary to the actual trial. Today was practically preliminary to the evidence that even the witness was going to present, because, as we'll get into, a very large portion of today was extended debate, extended back and forth about what will actually be shown. So we heard this agent that interviews were conducted with Tyler Robinson's mother, with Tyler Robinson's face. They never really got into what was said in those interviews, only that they happened. They talked about getting this statement from Lance Twiggs, and then twice they interviewed him twice, they said, But then we got very extended arguments about how much is going to be redacted. We got statements from the defense that basically said, if the evidence they're planning to show here is shown, it would basically be broadcasting to the world what the state will call a confession, and it would be prejudicial to his right to a fair trial for that to be shown before the trial itself. 00:05:36 Speaker 2: So we got more. 00:05:38 Speaker 6: Signs today that the evidence against Tyler Robinson is extremely strong and the defense. 00:05:44 Speaker 2: Is very aware of that. 00:05:46 Speaker 6: So even if we're not able to see all of it, it does look like we're likely to get a lot of this redacted when it does finally air tomorrow, but we're just slowly grinding away. Probably the other highlight of the day for me is actually early on where Judge Graff just he essentially gives a statement that's saying, we are supposed to get this done by the end of business on Friday, so can we please try to hurry it up? 00:06:10 Speaker 4: Is more or less no, exactly, Well, and I want to go back to what you just said, Liz, that the timeline piece of it. We know that certain purveyors of this propaganda, this conspiracy stuff, like Baron Coleman, have made much about the timeline that he could have never confessed because they would have had his phone already. Well, the timeline got established today and that was a very key part of what we saw in this case. And I'm going to play something from this Turkey Tom video. Watchers of our show know that I've referenced Turkey Tom. This is a whistleblower friend that approached this YouTuber and said, hey, I actually know these guys that hung out with them a lot, and this is exactly how they talked the text messages. He confirms that this is the language they used for each other, and he also shared with him this discord confession, and it was the first time we'd seen the discord confession with a time stamp and a time zone on. So go ahead and play this st seventy when it's a short clip, but it establishes. 00:07:04 Speaker 7: The timeline confession message to their old friend group server. It's interesting to me that he sent it in this server and not to Lance's news server, because I'm not sure why that is. It could just be that he was less familiar with the people there, but based on the kind of messages sent there, which we're going to go over later, it could be that he wanted to avoid having anyone say something that resembled support for his actions in the original So what did. 00:07:27 Speaker 2: You see there? 00:07:27 Speaker 4: It said nine fifty seven pm EDT, which would have been seven fifty seven Utah time. And then we find out we hear from the testimony today that he turned himself in approximately at nine local times. So he sends that discord chat almost an hour, probably a full hour before he turned himself in. So gone is one giant conspiracy on the timeline. 00:07:52 Speaker 5: Yeah, and there's actually additional element to that too, is when he turned himself in. We saw that video today of him being hell at the Washington County Police Department, but he wasn't held in a cell. He was held in basically a back office until, like I said, they established probable cause and formally arrested him, possibly around four am. We actually don't know when he lost access to his cell phone. He could have had access. 00:08:17 Speaker 2: To I mean, he could have had a great. 00:08:18 Speaker 3: Access to his phone in that room. 00:08:19 Speaker 5: We don't know that. 00:08:20 Speaker 4: Yeah, But Liz, here's the thing that he didn't have it then he Yeah, but even if they took it away from him right at nine o'clock when he turns himself in, which we have no reason to believe at this point, he still had time to make the confession. 00:08:31 Speaker 2: And there has been literally millions of views on. 00:08:34 Speaker 4: Social media pontificating about this one piece. And now I want to show you something here. Show this these two images. By the way, guys, I'm going to show this to Liz. I think this is a really big deal here. So we see this image the first one, put it up when you can, and this is in the holding room, Liz. So notice that the color of the shirt, the hat, this is what he's wearing Okay, now go to to the image that we saw in the compilation video the day before. Notice the color of shirt and the hat. So we have been told, Liz, that there is even with this, the social media of it all, we have been told that there is no proof that that's actually Tyler Robinson. Doesn't matter that his own mom recognized him from the images that were published, from the circulent images. 00:09:23 Speaker 6: Where he's wearing different clothing where. 00:09:25 Speaker 4: He's yeah, but this is the looks like the same shirt and same hat. I can't say that definitively. Maybe he had a number of them or something, or maybe it's a slightly different shirt and a similar color, but the hat. Look at these back to back, just keep going back and forth. This looks like the exact same person to me, Liz, am I missing something here. 00:09:48 Speaker 5: No, I think not. I think one of the things that I pointed out on X earlier, and of course it was Candice Owens yesterday who was not just asking do we have definitive proof that the person that we see in this in it? It is a grainy video. I think there was a clearer video that was played in court. To my understanding, the clearer video hasn't been released to the public. We just have the grainy version of it. It was Candace Owens who wasn't just saying, how do we know this is him because we can't see his face? Clearly, she was denying it was him. She was casting doubt actively on whether this was him. And my point was just, well, his own mother identified him from a grainy still that was taken from these videos that was released by police on the day that Tyler Robinson committed this crime allegedly, And so who are we going to believe here, Candace Owens, who doesn't seem to have an idea of how this process works, the judicial process, or how to establish whether there's probable cause, or his own mother who not only identified him, but this got This is one of the I can't even fathom what that must be like for parents, you know, a parent's worst nightmare, turning in their own son for a hideous crime they believe he committed because she recognized him from this video. 00:10:59 Speaker 4: Imagine either, Liz, I'm so glad, Yeah, I'm so glad you brought that up, because you know, I actually they have a soft spot in my heart because they did the right thing. I don't know their family story at all. I don't know any of it, but that they did a brave thing. I have a lot of respect for that. Actually, I want to play this clip. This is from Jeffrey Nieman, who is a family representative inside the courthouse for the Kirks, and I just want to point this out very clearly. One side is arguing for max transparency. The other side is obstructing anything being shared with the public. And I don't have the cynic in me. Liz is kind of assuming. I hope I'm wrong, but the cynic in me thinks that maybe it's because they want all these conspiracy theories to run wild. They want less. That's plainly out there, because I understand that the more the public sees, the more that the credibility of the conspiracy crowd is getting just crippled completely. So here it is. This is jeff Nieman advocating on behalf of the family. It's not seventy one. 00:12:07 Speaker 8: All right, counsel, if you would like to state. 00:12:10 Speaker 9: Your name, your honor, Jeffrey Nyman on behalf of the Kirk family. I've been very hesitant to speak up at these proceedings. We understand it's the state and the defense and the judge. You're all doing your job, but I feel as if we need to. I want to be clear as to what the Kirk's family's position is on all of this. The Kirk family believes strongly that if the evidence is being admitted to this preliminary hearing is being made public for the world to see, no redactions. This court has tools at its exposure, as tools at its disposal to make sure the defendant receives a fair trial. You'll use them if you find that you need to. That's it your honor to not be transparent here, to not be open, to not let the world see what happened, We'll create doubt and distrust in the judicial system. And that's not what anybody wants. That's not what any of us believe should happen here. And we'd ask the court to consider the position of the family and making insultimate decision. 00:13:10 Speaker 8: Thank you. 00:13:12 Speaker 4: I thought that was a really important moment from today, Liz, because you know, we get a lot of people chipping at us on online that we don't we have no questions. We don't want any no, we have lots of questions. We want max transparency, we want the world to see the process play out, the legal process play out, and so I just want to highlight that. I thought it was powerful that that Jeffrey Nyman chose to stand up in that moment. I thought it was critical. Liz, I only have you for three more minutes, and I know you got to go. I want to highlight what you were talking about because I think you've articulated it very well better than anybody I've seen online when it comes to the DNA. You you there was explain the the the stories that were floating around on social media and how you rebutted them. 00:13:58 Speaker 5: Yeah, let me comment on the Kirk family lawyer for just a second. 00:14:01 Speaker 3: Two. 00:14:01 Speaker 5: I know that the argument from the other side is that it could taint the jury pool if some of the more damning evidence is shown, and in a regular trial, that may be an argument that carries some water. That's true. But the counter argument in this particular case, because it's such a high profile case, is that the conspiracy theories which are so abundant surrounding the murder of Charlie Kirk and who was involved in that, could also taint the jury pool. And so I think it is in the interest of the American people to see this evidence, because God forbid, you get a jury pool that's full of people who bought into some of those conspiracies because they didn't have the access to see some of this evidence that could change their minds. Because let's be real, everyone in the country is aware of the facts of this. You're not going to get a jury pool of people that are like, oh, I didn't know who Charlie Kirk was, I didn't know the details of this, I never saw the video, I know nothing about it. That's not going to happen in a high profile case like this, And so I think maximum transparency is the wisest course of action and it is fair in our judicial process given the circumstances of this particular case. That being said, the DNA evidence that came out today or the analysis, there's fake news immediately. Anytime that a piece of evidence is damning to Tyler Robinson, the fake news propagated online, proliferates instantly, and that happened again. I think this was actually late yesterday that the testimony came from the DNA analyst that said, listen of this screwdriver and of this towel that were found on the roof. There were several DNA samples that were found instantly, the propagators of fake news online claimed that the majority of the DNA was Lance Twigs and only a fraction was Tyler Robinson. And the point of propagating this live, of course, was to cast out and whether Tyler Robinson was actually the one who committed this crime, because that's key to the conspiracies. He cannot be the one who committed the crime in order for the vast global conspiracy that's been painted by Canada's owens to be real. But of course that wasn't true if you listened to the testimony. I posted this on my x account. 00:15:59 Speaker 6: The video of it. 00:16:00 Speaker 5: The DNA analyst said there were multiple DNA samples, Yeah, you can see that on the screen that were found on the towel and the screwdriver. About five percent of it was Lance Twigs and ninety five percent was Tyler Robinson's or a match for them on one item and on the other item a fraction eleven percent matched Lance Twigs DNA and eighty nine percent matched Tyler Robinson, which makes sense. I mean they were gay lovers, They're going to have the stuff in their apartment, which you can assume, I suppose that this is where this stuff came from, is probably going to have some of their shared DNA on it. That's not something that should surprise anyone. I think it probably does bring up questions, questions that we've had for a long time since, you know, we initially found out who did this, whether Lance Twigs knew about it or was involved. I mean, I assume those are questions that will be answered in the days and weeks and months to come. But the fact the lie that was propagated initially was just that it was just a lie, and I hope it actually serves to open people's eyes because when you see a lie like that and then you see the actual testimony that contradicts the line, and you realize that the liars were lying, you should ask, well, what else are they lying about? 00:17:07 Speaker 2: I think that's really well said Liz. 00:17:09 Speaker 4: And by the way, I know you got to go, but you've been on the record now predicting the next conspiracy theory or the next you know, wild hair that they chase, and then literally within minutes, all the usual suspects take that thing that you predicted, because you're watching it live and you're like, they're gonna go with that. 00:17:27 Speaker 2: I know it. 00:17:28 Speaker 6: They're not very original people, so I wouldn't even put it beyond them to listen to what Liz or someone says and go. 00:17:33 Speaker 2: That's a great idea, should run with it. Or they it's like they're taunting us. They're tolling us what they did. Yeah, exactly, this is how they operate. 00:17:43 Speaker 4: Well done, Liz. Thank you for taking some time tonight. And you got a busy schedule, so God bless you. You seriously are doing heroes work. You're you're you're out, you're out in front. I hopefully you're not inspiring. You're not inspired, so this I don't think that's true. Uh So, thank you again for joining us. Liz Wheeler hosts The Liz Wheeler's Show. Have a great rest of your night. If you could go back in time and buy oil before the world relied on it, would you? 00:18:09 Speaker 2: Of course you would? 00:18:10 Speaker 4: Anybody would, So why aren't you buying silver right now? The people who recognized oil early didn't just make money, They got ahead of one of the biggest economic shifts in history, and today a similar opportunity is unfolding with silver. Silver is more than a precious metal. 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I don't know why they would need to fake that, because they didn't have to get him in custody. 00:19:14 Speaker 2: At some point. 00:19:15 Speaker 4: I mean, like real, you got a lot of things gotta line up, including how tall he is, which is another really funny one. 00:19:23 Speaker 2: Here to help us, do actually, let let the team bring him. 00:19:26 Speaker 4: I'm sorry team, but we're gonna have Taylor Hanson, who's actually on the ground doing reporting for t POSA Frontlines. He's gonna come and join us. And he actually went on campus, went on campus to where some of these videos from the surveillance videos are being broadcast. Right, so we're we've got the compilation video. There was a lot of let's just say, noise being made about exactly how tall Tyler Robinson is and did that compare to how tall the gentlemen in the video was. So let's uh, we've got I think a couple of these clips. Maybe we can use this as we bring in as we bring him in. Okay, how about this, Let's play sixty seven while we bring Taylor Hanson into the show. 00:20:13 Speaker 10: It was the third and fourth stare. So he has his foot roughly right here, right here, it's about as close as you're gonna be able to replicate, and obviously have the retaining wall behind me. Keep in mind, my camera is not roughly at the as close as we can get to the exact same angle. It's touching the bulb of the other security camera. They are different cameras, though there's going to be a different effect. This is just how cameras worked. Camera one oh one science awesome stuff hand roughly on the wall, have the same spacing at least as close as we can possibly get. This is what it looks like. Okay, he had his head slightly down on all the way down. It was roughly about here. I'm six foot tall. Obviously I'm a lot wider than Robinson would be in this case. 00:20:55 Speaker 3: But this is about as close of a replication as you can. 00:20:58 Speaker 2: Get, all right. 00:21:00 Speaker 4: Taylor hans Hansen joins us now from Tbosa front Lines independent reporter on the ground there. 00:21:06 Speaker 2: How you doing, Taylor? 00:21:08 Speaker 4: Quite quite the project you endeavored upon at UVU campus first of all, Just like how creepy was it to be there and kind of retrace those steps? 00:21:20 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was definitely creepy, that's one way to put it. 00:21:22 Speaker 10: I've been there a few times since Charlie was assassinated, and I was there actually the day of right afterwards, and then the following day as well, and the feeling kind of never goes away. Put it in perspective, there's always something in the air. 00:21:37 Speaker 2: So where are you at right now? Is that the courthouse that you're at? 00:21:40 Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm right outside the fourth Judicial Courthouse here in Provo, Utah. 00:21:44 Speaker 4: Okay, all right, so going back to that clip. I don't know if you saw it. We were bringing you in at the same time, but you know I did. You guys do sort of markings, and actually I think you in that clip you went with the fact that Robinson is five to ten. 00:21:57 Speaker 2: I actually think he's six foot. 00:21:59 Speaker 6: This is debated because I think there's some I think there's a police processing document or something where it says five ten It's one of those things. 00:22:07 Speaker 2: How much of their hair do you measure? All of that? 00:22:09 Speaker 6: But all right, getting deeper into this, I mean, the claim when they were getting whipped up by the conspiracies is that this person is well over six feet. 00:22:18 Speaker 2: He must be six four, six', five six,' eight. 00:22:21 Speaker 6: Who KNOWS and i think that's trivially easy to debunk Through what tyler's, been doing or even in the, video footage you can see he passes by another guy in the stairwell and that guy is clearly much taller. 00:22:32 Speaker 4: Than, him well and there was also that woman that was the young woman walking, past him and you know it looked like they were almost, Equal hype but explain what you were Talking about first, of all in, that clip, you say it's going to be impossible for me to perfectly match this because of, camera angles because of. DIFFERENT lenses, i mean you tried to match the angle as much as, you could but it's going to be impossible. To match and then also because you've done a lot of camera work over, The, years taylor explain how something on camera can be, deceptive to, you know the person that's. Viewing, it like, FOR example i always use the Example Of. Tom Cruise TOM cruise i thought was like a, tall man AND then i found out later he's five, to seven and you KNOW. 00:23:18 Speaker 6: What, i mean no one was ever. MORE betrayed i was very be this big man crush. 00:23:22 Speaker 2: On, it true that's. 00:23:23 Speaker 4: That, true uh but he is a. GOOD actor i have to give it to give. It to but the, point is how explain how that can? 00:23:29 Speaker 11: Be? 00:23:29 Speaker 2: Deceptive, YEAH well. 00:23:30 Speaker 10: I mean everything, is angles everything. IS lighting, i, MEAN granted i mean you have to keep in mind that the footage that, You know candice and others are pulling and referencing in regards to him being taller than you know he was prior in the first time that, you know the alleged assassin came on. To campus he is actually farther away from, the railing so that can also kind of factor into the angle into where he how much he's. Slumped over but the actual lens used in the, SECURITY footage, I mean i don't have access TO the uvu, security cameras so. 00:23:59 Speaker 3: YOU know I wish, i did but that's not how. It works and the lens. 00:24:02 Speaker 10: Is going to capture things differently than, you know an iPhone, seventeen camera which is what was used to film. This video, you know the iPhone seventeen completely different lens than what the actual security. 00:24:12 Speaker 3: Footage is you know that's being portrayed here in the. 00:24:14 Speaker 10: Preliminary hearings so it doesn't matter how much comparison. You're giving you can only get, SO much i, would say when using a different camera lens to actually being. 00:24:25 Speaker 3: Entirely ACCURATE but i tried, my best held. 00:24:28 Speaker 10: It up it was touching the, Same height it was literally touching THE actual uvu security camera to basically try and. Replicate that and regarding, you know five ten SIX foot I believe i had seen online that the new thing is that, you know the second guy that came through is a, different guy and he appears to be anywhere between six foot six, foot FOUR and I figured i would Go because i'm exactly six foot and you, CAN see, I mean i am taller than that person in the video and in the later VIDEOS that i imagine you guys. Will show there's a retaining wall with a line that is clearly about halfway through the person's head that is walking through, the TUNNEL and, i go who is? SIX foot i go and stand next, to it and it's touching my, Shoulders essentially so there's clearly a high differential taking place in regards. 00:25:11 Speaker 2: To well let's show that. Sixty eight this is obviously the. 00:25:15 Speaker 3: Tunnel where it came down the. 00:25:16 Speaker 10: Retaining stairs what's interesting about this once again, camera differentials but we're about matching roughly as close as we can. High wise Looking the, robinson video he's about, right, here okay roughly about somebody that would land at five. To ten it's about right in the middle of. His face i'm. Six foot this is barely above. My shoulders so there's a clear difference taking place. 00:25:40 Speaker 8: Right here so this is. 00:25:41 Speaker 10: The staircase right, after ROTATING while i was just showing you in the tunnel comes up the s right side of, the rail walking with one fairly straight leg going up roughly right about here is where you see that girl come down the staircase next, to him and he keeps his head slightly down obviously because my phone is right underneath. The camera as close as we. Can replicate he swings close to this railing, right here then he swings out. 00:26:12 Speaker 8: Wide again so. 00:26:15 Speaker 4: YOU know i think this, is interesting and BECAUSE now i have a QUESTION about i don't know that. It's relevant but so here here's the Image That candice. Owens published originally she cut off the top of, his HEAD which i think was. First indicators notice how you don't see the. Top number you get up to about, seventy inches which would put him at five. 00:26:36 Speaker 2: To ten but here is The actual so it. 00:26:41 Speaker 4: Goes all the way up And to, blake's point maybe he's, six foot maybe it's five eleven and a half. OR something, i mean, who knows it's it like to, your point it's like how much of that? 00:26:50 Speaker 2: IS hair i, don't know but it's. 00:26:51 Speaker 4: An approximation so based on those two images that now go back to that, retaining wall what what are the take draw our eyes and ears to what needs to be seen by the audience. 00:27:04 Speaker 2: THERE tailor, i. 00:27:04 Speaker 10: Mean well you see THAT they're i mean they would say that it's almost roughly, the same but it is just. Slightly different to kind of drive that, Fact, that okay even if he is, five' ten then it doesn't matter in this scenario because one camera angles. Play into, it but me as a six, FOOT tall man i am completely different than what that, video essentially portrayed and that also, leads into angling that leads into me using. My iPhone camera so the idea that this is kind of, the new narrative it's. DEBUNKED in itself i don't even need to go down there to really even. Raise this Argument but the internet has kind of been taken over in a sense with. These CONSPIRACY theories and i can understand, questioning certain things, it's human nature but when you can't actually question. Things of substance when the, GOALPOSTS continuously MOVED i figured i would go down to the campus, and you know actually draw. Attention to this so let's see where the goalposts move. The, next time essentially that's my goal, Is, to see okay what are we actually gonna talk About that has why don't we watch, the preliminary hearing see the. Evidence come out i'm out here every single day reporting on, what's going on both inside and. Outside the courtroom all of these people online they, are not here and they're not here, for a reason and the, only you know clips that they're actually using are clips completely taken. 00:28:16 Speaker 3: Out of Context that's. 00:28:17 Speaker 2: What, I'VE noticed yep i. 00:28:18 Speaker 4: Totally AGREE that so i want to so, Because, you're there taylor and thank you. For doing that that was really interesting and it does, show that You guys are you're probably a little bit, taller than him and it shows it that you basically is what we would have expected that based on where your shoulder lines, up to. His et cetera plus he's also hunched over with the gun, potentially you know down one. 00:28:41 Speaker 2: Or two legs we're not sure how exactly. 00:28:43 Speaker 3: How that was i'm significantly. Wider as well that's. 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Wait in line one of her cronies held a spot since two. Thirty, this morning. Okay that's interesting and then we have we have some videos OF. 00:31:30 Speaker 2: You can i guess throw. 00:31:31 Speaker 4: The b roll, they're, literally posting yeah images of them, like camping out, very happy, jolly you know, happy go lucky. Which, is weird actually this is a murder trial and they're very excited to. Be waiting line what are you seeing when it comes to this is this like did you? See these people what's the scene like outside. Of the courthouse i'd. 00:31:55 Speaker 10: Say it's about ninety, five percent press given the national attention that this. Trial is drawn but you do have people that. ARE camping out i did actually see. THESE people today i did not, interact WITH them but i interacted with another group of PEOPLE yesterday that i had gotten, a tip from and it was a left wing journalist that actually tipped me. 00:32:10 Speaker 3: Off to it they. 00:32:11 Speaker 10: Were, wearing freedom shirts believe, it OR not and i guess They Are pro, tyler ROBINSON essentially and i attempted. To interview them they almost immediately clocked me as Contracting. With front lines they had seen my work, in the past and they were not willing to speak, On the issue AND of course, i told, Them you know. I'LL be polite i just want to. Know your opinion why, are you here why are you? Sitting in attendance what interest does it? Have to you and they weren't willing to. Talk to me so, every single day at, least so far you do have people that are basically coming in here getting access to the preliminary hearings That Are. 00:32:43 Speaker 3: Pro, tyler robinson. 00:32:45 Speaker 4: Yeah and they are, actually Getting, Access, Right, taylor yes yeah. 00:32:49 Speaker 10: They're camping out these people are staying overnight in a, lot of cases so they're the very first to, actually get access and there's only a limited, amount of spots so they're essentially making up the. 00:33:00 Speaker 3: PLACES of, people i mean there's. 00:33:02 Speaker 10: Children out here there were PEOPLE, that attended uvu that, witness it firsthand that actually wanted to get into today that weren't able. 00:33:08 Speaker 4: To, get in well it, doesn't surprise me, because you know it's, it's a, cult you, know you know those are the people that are going to have this cultish. DEVOTION to this i think misplaced, moralizing about this right we're wearing. The, freedom shirts yeah they're part of a whole contingent online that wants To rip, down charlie's organization attack his widow. And his family but they see themselves as the defenders Of the, of charlie's legacy, WHICH you know I think that's, erica's job personally but that's. But that's fine anything else you want, To, bring up taylor that you want our audience to be aware of that's happening around the courthouse or, What, YOU'RE witnessing, yeah. 00:33:50 Speaker 10: I mean just, i would say get your information from the. Actual preliminary hearing it's live streamed. For a reason watch it all if. You have time don't just go, on social, media you know because all these clips are being taken. 00:34:01 Speaker 12: Out of. 00:34:01 Speaker 10: Context You Know obviously lance twigs was a very big. Focal point today YESTERDAY it. Was dna evidence so every single day we're seeing new developments and it's always being taken. Out of context so if you actually want to understand what's taking place during, this preliminary hearing. 00:34:16 Speaker 3: You need to just. 00:34:17 Speaker 2: Watch the thing however, Slow, it goes yeah and. It's very slow. 00:34:21 Speaker 4: It's, Very slow taylor thank, you so much. FOR your reporting i appreciate you making some time. For us, tonight, great job, man of course thanks. 00:34:28 Speaker 2: FOR having me i do want. 00:34:30 Speaker 4: To, show this clip and it's we haven't loaded. As seventy two it's the rifle disassembled and put in. Both pant legs this is a really interesting visual because it shows how easy and how quick it is to disassemble a rifle and also how you could store it in. Your pant legs it's, not seventy two assuming since. 00:34:51 Speaker 10: This was the longest piece and then it was causing so much hiccup in his gidea that this is probably maybe what was on. 00:35:00 Speaker 8: His right legs so because when you do. 00:35:05 Speaker 1: See him walking he's kind of this arm is not moving right now. 00:35:13 Speaker 8: As it sits the muzzle of the rifle is just. Below my knee. 00:35:20 Speaker 7: We saw him moving with, no hit movement but he was still able to. 00:35:24 Speaker 8: MOVE his knee i can still. 00:35:25 Speaker 6: Bend my knee the stock is significantly thicker than the barrel and, the receiver action. 00:35:33 Speaker 8: Especially back there but this is gonna be. WELL trick here i wonder if it can go in this side and, under the arm pull it. 00:35:47 Speaker 1: Back, up under. 00:35:49 Speaker 8: Okay what that looks like, from the front is there any indication that. You got that? How's my. MOVEMENT i'm moving i DON'T know. 00:36:03 Speaker 1: HOW i move i think that may be part of the limp was that he was trying to move without. 00:36:10 Speaker 8: Printing the rifle. 00:36:12 Speaker 6: See how it was because that one, pull of shots he's got, his arms out he's walking. 00:36:18 Speaker 8: Up the stairs. 00:36:24 Speaker 1: It's not out of the realm of possibility. 00:36:27 Speaker 10: That, you can. 00:36:28 Speaker 2: WALK all right i just want to show that. Is another example there's a series. 00:36:32 Speaker 4: Of these guys they, tend to, be you know gun aficionados and really, into that space and they're breaking down how that, limp could happen how you could assemble a rifle. 00:36:42 Speaker 2: On A rooftop and i just think. 00:36:43 Speaker 4: It's really REALLY interesting and i think really helpful to understand. 00:36:47 Speaker 2: What, probably, Happened. 00:36:51 Speaker 4: Hi folks, Andrew colvett here i'd like to tell you about my friends OVER. 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Sees Both sides you you're you're willing to hear out the, more conspiratorial end and you're also willing to hear out the people, that, are like hey it's pretty obvious. 00:38:48 Speaker 2: From, that vantage point what? Are? 00:38:49 Speaker 5: You? 00:38:49 Speaker 2: Seeing what what how is this? Going, so far well. 00:38:53 Speaker 8: From, THAT vantage point i will now Be on the i'm in On it. 00:38:56 Speaker 11: BECAUSE i'm With tpusa and, andrew faith like this is how lunatic the? 00:39:01 Speaker 8: Internet has BECOME how do i see it? 00:39:04 Speaker 11: GOING right now i happen to think there's substantial prima fascie Evidence To indicate tyler robinson was, on the roof, pulled the trigger was identified, by, his. Mother etcetera etcetera we're living in. A World now whether i'm not in a steam son of this is. Just a backdrop we're living in. A, world now however those, people, no no people like if you don't don't do Vlogs from the. Steam song anymore but we're living in a world where people have sort of gotten back into the Realm Of the Alex, Jones Info wars sandy hook level psychotic conspiracy. Everywhere where now, people are, SAYING all right i believe everything we're being told. Is A lie so i'm going to not believe anything except For that which i've convinced. MYSELF of already i Don't Know if tyler robinson. PULLED the trigger i don't know if he was on the roof and he was the one who. FIRED the gun i know what the preliminary evidence looks, like RIGHT now and i know it's being a jewe at. The preliminary hearing but the insane conspiracy theories that are being floated that are implicating everyone, and anyone involved that are unsubstantiated and unfalsifiable. IN their, Vagueness i Mean I'm seeing sandy hook two point zero. RECURRING right now i appreciate there are some issues, with the prosecution there's some issues, with the investigation and. 00:40:25 Speaker 8: There's some issues. 00:40:25 Speaker 11: WITH the evidence I go where, I can find i, Can appreciate that but to go from there to say that, It's exploding microphones, israel did it. 00:40:33 Speaker 8: And not that Israel might not israel might have had a. 00:40:36 Speaker 11: Hand in this but until you can provide the slightest shred of EVIDENCE other than i can divine an, intention or emotive you have to admit that from the evidence that you. Have right now if you have a more plausible theory than the, one being Presented Which is tyler robinson was, on the roof, took the shot, had the rifle, had the moment. Had the opportunity if you have a more plausible, theory to present you can go ahead. 00:40:58 Speaker 8: And present it but you don't get to manufacture facts out. 00:41:02 Speaker 11: Of whole cloth you don't get to misrepresent what is being induced at this preliminary hearing in TERMS of. 00:41:08 Speaker 8: The dna evidence whether. 00:41:10 Speaker 11: YOU believe in dna, evidence or not don't misrepresent which. Percentage it's favoring whether or not You Believe that tyler robinson was not able to have the rifle, in his legs if you misrepresent that he was shifting his limb from the right leg to, the left leg without contemplating the idea that it might have been a reverse image mirror. Of the video you don't get to, make up facts you don't get. To misrepresent law you don't get to say he's innocent because they haven't proven beyond a reasonable doubt that he's guilty at, a preliminary hearing which itself. 00:41:38 Speaker 8: IS probable, cause. 00:41:41 Speaker 11: I mean we're in a realm NOW where it's i guess in a way it's the Ultimate Flattery, to charlie kirk which is the loss, is so great the loss is so monumental that people have to come up with concoctions to try to make sense of what is. A senseless crime but preliminary hearing is going the. Way it's going the evidence indicates on Probable Cause that tyler robinson should. 00:42:05 Speaker 8: Go to trial if people think that the video evidence is. 00:42:07 Speaker 11: Not clear cut not sufficiently clear that his own, mother identified him you can raise reasonable doubt at the. Trial right now, it's preliminary hearing probable cause, a lower threshold and people don't get to make up facts and misrepresent things to promote their insane conspiracy theories that are not. 00:42:25 Speaker 4: Tendered, to reality, well you know It's funny BECAUSE i've heard i thought that was Really, well said vivo, because you know one of my frustrations in all of this is that because there has been so many allegations HEAPED, on the Org KEEPED on eric i heaped on Myself Or whoever ben shapiro now is in, the you know. The the attention so, here's WHAT'S interesting though. I have questions i. DO have questions i want to Know It was lance twigg's actually. A co, conspirator YOU know when i hear there's only six police, officers at campus that's, frustrating to hear like a in, a really. DEEP profound way i want to know was he? RADICALIZED by somebody i want To Know ABOUT. ARMED queer's slc i want to know was. THEIR money involved i want to know who. KNEW what when i have. Lots of questions but what we're dealing with here and now is Whether Or not tyler robinson was the guy who? 00:43:18 Speaker 2: Pulled? 00:43:18 Speaker 4: The trigger okay and can you get proved probable cause to take this to? A. FULL trial okay i want to show these two images back to back because this was actually something. That happened today we got to see The Video of tyler robinson in the holding room after he. Turned, himself in, okay that's him that's him from that's a still. From, That video okay now go to the still from the parking garage. The day, before similar, Shirt SIMILAR hat AND i was i think from testimony that He was wearing converse shoes when he, turned HIMSELF in and i believe that's what was described in this. Image as well so go back to. That other one and, by the way you see a profile shot of him. IN another time i just like this one because the. Shirt is clear and go back now to. The parking grush go, Back. And forth viva i'm told there's no evidence. That that's him i'm looking at that going that. Looks, Like HIM uh and i guess the newest the newest theory is that this person in. 00:44:17 Speaker 2: Body double is. 00:44:18 Speaker 4: A body double body double there we, can never see even though it was with a family friend and it was. 00:44:24 Speaker 2: With, his, parents. 00:44:25 Speaker 11: Yeah no, Appreciation, Appreciate, that, like okay fine you say it's, a body double then try to raise, That. As reasonable doug right now we're at probable cause as to whether or not he committed the crime for which he, should STAND trial and i appreciate people saying the video or the images of him in a black shirt and the different clothing doesn't. Look, like, him okay fine you can raise those. Arguments right now you're at probable cause for the aggregate. Of THE evidence his dna is, on the gun, not, The GUN sorry his dna is on the screwdriver. And the towel and he. Was on campus he was not a. Student on campus his own mother. Called him in this is the probable cause. Stage of it if you want to argue it's, a body double. It's not him they. Don't match up he's got a limp switching from one leg. To the other you'll do. That at trial and it's not to say he's got to. Prove his innocence it's that probable cause versus proof beyond a reasonable doubts are two different thresholds at two different stages, of the proceedings and people need to understand that, the bottom line, he was arrested detained in the clothing that he appears to be wearing the day. Before on campus that's probable cause. On his face SET, Aside the dna set aside the text messages which people can tear. Apart on trial but this is The insanity that i'm, calling it psychotic Delusional Insanity that Ben shapiro the News, of the day he admitted on his show he got a call, from his security got A Call from charlie kirk's security right after, the shooting, saying you know an update of sorts. 00:45:59 Speaker 8: On the shooting. 00:46:00 Speaker 11: Like that's crazy they deduce from that that he was somehow, in On it that masad because his security or form of masaude that that's how they would coordinate between the two of them to confirm that The takeout by massad. HAS been, established i mean it's so insane that you would go with that outlandish theory as opposed to these, are prominent conservatives and at the time, after the shooting, my understanding, is you know people were fearful that this might have been a coordinated attack targeting Other prominent, conservatives candace included, by the way by, her own statements and that they jumped. To his agent his Security are, former massad agents and so they are calling to give him an update on the Confirmation of the massad Assassination Hit. ON charlie, kirk i mean you're dealing with people positing theories that really can never be falsified and that don't even make sense, on the simplest most reasonable. Interpretation of things so my interpretation is that more. Likely Than not ben shapiro got, A call said. KIRK'S been assassinated i think people knew he was dead. Well, in advance uh, Watch Your, back tucker carlson. Watch your back we don't know if. This is isolated the shoot is still. On the loose but this is the delusion of conspiracy theory that there are people are entertaining right. 00:47:15 Speaker 8: Now when it comes to. The, actual evidence yes they. 00:47:18 Speaker 11: Now have evidence he was detained in the clothes that he was appeared in in the on the campus. The day before maybe he's got. A good defense maybe someone else was wearing the. 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On the gun eventually it will turn out which again we can trace back to him from the text messages and from his interactions with his parents and. 00:49:54 Speaker 2: TURNING himself in i. 00:49:55 Speaker 6: Think any one of those legs of that stool would be enough to clear problem cause and probably, get a conviction and instead we have all four. 00:50:03 Speaker 2: Of THOSE things and i. 00:50:04 Speaker 4: Think it's fascinating at that point to highlight, the, constant objection objection objection. From the defense we saw this first with, the compilation video which was. A huge bombshell i mean that, that video alone that compilation tracing his steps on campus the four times he visited according, to the state was a. Really big revelation, SOCIAL media was i mean on fire. About it yesterday this is the second time that they seem to have been fighting tooth and nail to block at least certain Parts of this twig's video, recording INTERVIEW right so i can only imagine that it's gonna be the next big explosive. Piece of it it seems like the judge is going to be redacting a number of pages from the twenty two page kind of, transcript of it which means we're gonna lose big, chunks of it which the family Represented for the, kirk family said we want. It all published if you're gonna, it as evidence we won't. It all published and then, the, judge says hey just to call. My shot here most of the stuff we're redacting is just the text messages which have already been sort of publicized in. 00:51:09 Speaker 2: The charging, document. 00:51:11 Speaker 11: No, true but yeah but the judge said he's going. To consider it it's just a question of not really not publishing it. To the public so it's not that it's not going to be factor into. The judge's decision he's going, to determine relevance so he'll. He'll consider it but again, at this stage, come trial time everything's going. 00:51:26 Speaker 8: To be different it's going to sort of. 00:51:27 Speaker 11: Start from scratch but just, to you know to get to the issue that like you can convict him on any one of, the four things you don't know, the text, messages the provenance the authenticity needs to BE. Proven his dna that's a, double edged sword just to not get into. The conspiratorial ground if there's eighty nine and NINETY five percent Dna Of, of tyler robinson there's five and eleven percent, of somebody else is a five and eleven percent of it being someone? Else reasonable doubt you couple that with all of the, other circumstantial evidence and you know it'll be a separate issue to. Prove AT trial so i don't think you get there on the preliminary hearing even based on what's Been a juiced but what do you? Do get here and this is where people accuse me of BUYING into the fed narrative and, they call, Me you know GOBBLER of. THE fed slot i sincerely and genuinely believe other, people were involved and right now we're getting. Confirmation, of, It tyler sorry twiggs was more involved than. We ever THOUGHT if his dna is on not, JUST the towel a towel is EASIER to understand dna. On the, Screwdriver, You know lance Twiggs Knew that tyler robinson was engraving whatever fascist. 00:52:36 Speaker 8: You know thing he was. 00:52:37 Speaker 11: Engraving on bullets so you're dealing with people who were aware of a. 00:52:41 Speaker 8: Plot in advance couple that with the actual level on Or at. 00:52:45 Speaker 4: Least viva hold on. On that note you can't deduce That yet that twiggs knew. ABOUT the plot i have stated multiple times from this chair that if we do find out that he was engaged as a co conspirator or it's had advanced noticed that this was going to happen and they tried to cover the tracks with, THESE text messages i want the guy held accountable to the max extent, of the lot don't, get me wrong but you can't deduce that. FROM the fact i mean they were gay lovers in living in the same house that they could, have shared towels they could have. Shared Even screwdrivers screwdriver I'M just. SAYING i could i don't think you could deduce that he was complicit or a co conspirator just from, From, the. 00:53:27 Speaker 11: Well no well complicit when when he's. Texting his LOVER remember when i was engraving. THE bullet, casings i mean and that's not something that you witness your lover doing and you, don't ask, second. 00:53:38 Speaker 8: YOU know, questions i mean. 00:53:40 Speaker 6: THAT'S something an antifa person would. 00:53:42 Speaker 2: You know he could have. 00:53:43 Speaker 4: JUST been, doing, I mean, listen I agree like i've never engraved a bullet, with you know screw communists or, something LIKE that But i, THEY if you i don't know if You've Seen the. Turkey tom, VIDEO if not i actually PUT it. ON x today i really encourage you to see it because it's a whistleblower friend that reached out to this YouTuber and it's i think it's got like almost close to two million views. On this thing he published it all the way back In Like, What october october and it is an inside look into this world that that these kids. WERE living in i actually was talking to a reporter that's on the. Ground reporting there gave me a call today and he watched it last night and, HE was like whoa like? It IT is and i think the word he, used was like now you can see really clearly how you could the moral disassociation and the just disassociating from reality that this world they. Were Living in lance. Twigs was supermanic he was prone to these huge emotional shifts and waves h, and You know uh robinson. Was comforting him according, to, This FRIEND right and i have every reason to believe that that. Video is credible i've been. Told it's credible, so it's like you could see why this world was completely, Bizarre and weird and it doesn't necessarily lead me To believe that twigs knew anything was. 00:55:05 Speaker 2: About, to happen. 00:55:06 Speaker 11: Well If the turkey tone video was the one describing a prior incident where two, lovers you know got themselves basically to get psychotically enveloped in, A murder conspiracy i'm not sure if it's that. 00:55:18 Speaker 4: Video, Or, not no it's it's it's a friend that is describing the world that they. Were living in, It's You know lance, twigs would nest he would, get really depressed and he wouldn't get off the floor out of, the living room and he would just sort of slowly gather like a hoarder all these. Objects around him lots, of drug use was IT, black market hrt, lots of drinking. Lots of vaping. 00:55:41 Speaker 8: You might be we might be describing sort of. The SAME thing when. 00:55:44 Speaker 11: I Say That that lance, TWIGS had it. 00:55:47 Speaker 2: I see it i see what, YOU did there i see. 00:55:48 Speaker 11: What, you did no because it is you're describing a world, of ABJECT insanity, which, i hold yes is but the bottom, the bottom line when people are posting, online in advance something big is going to happen, At you Know. University of utah wouldn't Be great if. Charlie gets shot that leads me, to believe, that you know Above And beyond lance, twigs being somehow, if not involved at least aware of other people. Were as WELL and when, I see that i don't buy the, YOU know buy i. DON'T buy anything, I QUESTION everything and i don't take For granted that tyler. 00:56:25 Speaker 8: ACTED alone was i don't. Believe he. 00:56:27 Speaker 11: Was it's. 00:56:29 Speaker 4: Viva you just made me. THINK of something i want to play, this clip again. WHICH is interesting i didn't clock it until you just said. WHAT you said i POSTED this on x and then we. JUST played it i believe. It's cut seventy this Is From that turkey tom video Talking about which discord server, he confessed in because. 00:56:50 Speaker 2: Apparently he was. Active in. TWO this isn't i don't know if, there's anything here but play. 00:56:55 Speaker 7: Cut seventy profession message to their old. Friend group server it's interesting to me that he sent it in this server And not to, lance's New server because i'm not sure. Why that is it could just be that he was less familiar with, the people there but based on the kind of, messages sent there which we're gonna, go over later it could be that he wanted to avoid having anyone say something that resembled support for his actions. 00:57:17 Speaker 4: In the original so that's, where, He's confessing right and that's the time code Nine, fifty seven eastern which would have been. Seven fifty seven he turned himself in, around nine o'clock so about. An hour later it's interesting because There's two different discord servers he was involved. 00:57:36 Speaker 8: In too that. We know of. 00:57:41 Speaker 11: Not to, get too conspiratorial but when We're Told that thomas crooks was not involved in any, social media activity and, then you know you. 00:57:48 Speaker 8: Get reports coming out that he had multiple. 00:57:50 Speaker 11: Social MEDIA footprints do i Believe That that tyler robinson was only involved in two discord chats? 00:57:57 Speaker 3: With? 00:57:57 Speaker 11: A service, no I don't and i'd love to know each and every individual who, was on them if. They've been investigated, how people knew allegedly, apparently in advance something was. Going to happen, how you know he's confessing to his boyfriend ABOUT remember when i was, engraving those bullets and then he goes to the discord servers to confess to what he did where on, The discord servers even according to, the official narrative they're already talking about having noticed What Happened. 00:58:21 Speaker 8: TO charlie, KIRK i mean i don't believe that there were only. 00:58:24 Speaker 11: TWO discord servers i don't believe that there was nobody of relevance on Any of. THOSE discord servers i Don't Believe, that george zin that old pervert who was subsequently arrested for and pleaded guilty to child sex abuse material on his cell phone after he admitted or purported to admit that he was there as a distraction to the shooter to allow him. 00:58:42 Speaker 8: To get away was? 00:58:43 Speaker 11: There by accident so, all THAT said do i believe that it was an Exploding microphone that masad planted because they used pages to kill Some terrorists in Gaza In. The, west bank no because there's no evidence to suggest that at this. Point IN time do i refuse to ever believe it possibly. In, the future no but there needs to be evidence to. 00:59:01 Speaker 4: Support, certain things well, That's exactly right that's, what you. 00:59:04 Speaker 2: SAID is, key i mean my mind is completely open To. ALL of listen i want to. KNOW the. 00:59:10 Speaker 4: TRUTH i totally i have lots of questions when It comes to, first of all you, Said, exactly right viva? Is there evidence do you have actual proof or is it just vibes and. 00:59:23 Speaker 2: Like, gut feeling okay that's not how. 00:59:25 Speaker 4: You convict people that's not how you do this, In Our, process thank god. By the, way and secondly if that stuff comes out, in the future It's not like i'm. GONNA fight it i think there's this perception among some Online that, LIKE we're like i don't ask, questions, like, no. 00:59:39 Speaker 2: No, no no no. 00:59:39 Speaker 4: NO no no i want to know the truth on. All this Stuff but what i'm looking at the evidence that has been presented at court in this, preliminary hearing to, as you said reach the burden of probable cause, is extraordinarily. Compelling YOU know AND i just i think there's some. 00:59:56 Speaker 2: People that won't believe. They're lying, eyes, you know. 00:59:58 Speaker 11: Well there are people who still insist nobody Was Killed. At sandy hook there are people who insist, that the, destruction you know tearing down and raising of The Building at sandy hook was an indication that no one. Was KILLED there do i think, It, was SUSPICIOUS yes because i think, The You Know sandy hooks school was destroyed to cover up some of the corruption of the school that they didn't actually invest the monies that they, were given, in you know for the purposes. Of GUN safety do i think it's weird that they raised a leveled and dug up the dirt of the. CRIME scene here i can appreciate, the official narrative, which is, That you Know university of utah wanted to clean up a traumatic crime scene so they could get back to university. Activity AS normal, if I believe and i might very well, that you know there might have been people at the university that were involved in not, securing THE roof telling tpusa that the, roof was secure that they don't need, their own drones and might they want to destroy and cover up, and you know bury their. 01:00:57 Speaker 8: OWN crime scene i could. 01:00:59 Speaker 11: Believe that, too, but, again theories beliefs and that for which you have the slightest shread of evidence are. Three Different things and i'm able to understand and DISTINGUISH between, what. 01:01:09 Speaker 8: I believe what, i can PROVE and what i. 01:01:11 Speaker 11: Can reasonably argue and for, the time being if there's a Better Theory than tyler robinson having, TAKEN the shot i appreciate all the holes everybody. Wants to poke they'll do. That at trial that's what. Good lawyers do he didn't have enough time to. Assemble the gun he couldn't have been running around with it. In his legs it's not him in the black shirt versus the maroon Shoot. The sure shirt they'll raise. That at trial but until is, a better theory and until there's the slightest shred of evidence to support exploding my theories a, second gunman theory a trapdoor theory un tells the slightest shred of evidence to support that you can float unsubstantiated and thus. Unfalsifiable conspiracy theories it makes you look, like an idiot. 01:01:49 Speaker 8: And it makes you look at an. 01:01:51 Speaker 11: Idiot and untrustworthy but the bottom, line right now in the ordinary course, of criminal, prosecution preliminary, hearing Probable Cause. Here's tyler robinson here's some images sufficiently clear that his own. Mother identified him the rifle identified. By his father fragments determined to, be a bullet not. An exploding microphone and if it is, an exploding, microphone my goodness the defense will be that much easier. 01:02:14 Speaker 8: Come trial time. 01:02:15 Speaker 4: There you go and, by the way medical examiner says it was a gunshot wound. To the neck there's no mention of an exploding. Mic or anything, they just viva. 01:02:23 Speaker 2: We gotta go. 01:02:24 Speaker 4: I'm so sorry we're gonna do a little bit of a hand Off here with jack over. To his show, that was, Excellent my friend thank, You so much. 01:02:30 Speaker 8: Thank, you very, Much gosped everyone god. 01:02:32 Speaker 2: Bless You, man. 01:02:35 Speaker 4: All right if you're like me in, summers upon us you're thinking about all the fun you want to have. With your family you're thinking, about leisure time maybe you got. A family vacation you're probably not thinking of like checklists in, your personal life like. Getting life insurance but you. Gotta do it and. Here's What's great policy genius makes, it super. 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Is very compelling one OTHER thought That i think viva brought up is that it's this sort Of compliment to charlie That people because charlie, was so important he was so incredible and, so JUST influential That i think it's hard for a lot of, People, to think hey maybe. It's this dude it's not two year old that just climbs up. 01:04:51 Speaker 6: On a roof it's not satisfying to think that some weird loser who lived with his furry boyfriend and they did a bunch of and lived in, their furry nest that that guy could almost just change the cours just he could he could kill a world Historical figure like charlie because he was a wretched person. 01:05:13 Speaker 2: Who embraced violence and that's what drives a. 01:05:15 Speaker 6: Lot of theories it's just like we get The stuff with kennedy because you don't want to believe a president can be taken. 01:05:20 Speaker 3: Out, that. 01:05:21 Speaker 4: Way totally Totally We have Jack Posobic Now. Human events daily he's been on the ground. In, the courthouse jack good to. See you man give us a little color from. 01:05:32 Speaker 11: The. 01:05:32 Speaker 2: Scene, today yeah, Look you know. 01:05:35 Speaker 12: I'll be blunt i'm kind of hot about what happened in. The court today we did not get what we were told was. Going to happen we did Not Get the, lance twiggs video which was said from the very start, that that's, where in fact the defense was the one that first stipulated it that it was going. To be coming we had kind, of been, expecting i think to, get at least if not, the full video but at least the audio of the Recording, with lands twigs which is, the trans boyfriend and the defense moved, to block this moved, to redact this and the judge instead of he made one ruling and then was about to allow the audio to be played and then very quickly agreed to. Even more redactions and. 01:06:29 Speaker 8: This of course happened. 01:06:30 Speaker 12: Right about it so it's around the four o'clock four, o'clock hour local and, they, basically said oh we don't have time, for this now so we're going. To break early and It's something where i'm looking, at, IT going look i, Want justice here but at the same, TIME as that i think transparency is part. Of that justice and having full transparency means having full access. 01:06:55 Speaker 8: To the evidence and. 01:06:56 Speaker 12: This individual who was Closer To to tyler robinson than anyone, in terms, of you know leading up, to the shooting it seems to me that his evidence would, Be extremely relevant his testimony would, be extremely relevant not, just this interview but he conducted Another interview in, april this year and the fact that we have been blocked from Seeing That is i'm. I'm just, livid I'M livid AND i am, I would say i'm just speechless that, here we are three days now that we've spent in this courtroom and we're still not getting key. Evidence. 01:07:36 Speaker 4: Like that, jack you know it's interesting there's taking. SO much, time i mean these they're fighting. Tooth and nail first it was in, the compilation video which. Was extraordinarily damning then they're fighting tooth and Nail On this lance twigs record AN interview. Which i agree how is that not the most relevant thing to establishing the fact that, this guy confessed the fact that he, had a motive and the fact that he had this frankly a gay lover that also contributed, to the motive and he was the closest. Person to him this seems like the most relevant piece of information. 01:08:11 Speaker 2: At this point that they basically. 01:08:13 Speaker 6: Said it themselves when the, defense is objecting, they basically say this evidence is going to be so strong that presenting it now will prejudice his right to a fair trial because they will blast it. Out to everyone and basically they're saying everyone will see the evidence published in all, the news Outlets About how tyler robinson confessed, and is guilty and so you just have to save that for the trial or. 01:08:35 Speaker 2: Will be unfair that's basically what the. 01:08:36 Speaker 6: Defense, is arguing. 01:08:37 Speaker 4: Yeah and, Just, TO say jack i read somewhere that it's going to be ten million dollars that this could cost upwards of ten million dollars by the End for The state of utah to Defend This, this tyler robinson because it's going to drag out so long, like this. 01:08:53 Speaker 8: Well and and you know. 01:08:55 Speaker 12: It's, it's clearly look they've got a very high, Profile Defense lawyer richard Novaken. From southern california he is extremely well known for, his defensive clients and he's extremely well known for this type of litigation where he's able to come into the, courtroom and, bring you know bring up. These constitutional defenses and you're going Up Against These Utah provo utah county attorneys and they don't have anyone from out of. Town coming in, who's you know bringing in, the big guns. So to speak and so when you're looking at when you're looking, at the, CASE you KNOW i guess i would speak to a lot of like THE misinformation that i see out, there as well because, we're, people saying, WELL you know i don't want to hear. THE government narrative i don't trust the government, Because you Know, fauci and. Covid, et, cetera sure fine there's lots of reasons not want to, trust the, government Believe me but i'm not asking to hear. THE government's argument i don't want to hear. That at, ALL IN fact i i want to see what, the evidence IS and then i want to hear the direct testimony of the Person Who knew. Tyler Robinson Best. That's land's twigs that's why they're fighting so hard. To block this and it Seems that though twigs was given we're told he was given this limited immunity use immunity in the case, for his testimony that he has been cooperative, to a point at least in terms of turning over. His cell phone so. 01:10:28 Speaker 2: That's how we got, the text messages, that discord. Messages et cetera. 01:10:33 Speaker 12: And so the idea that we can't, see that evidence and that the public can't, see that evidence it seems to me as flying in the face of the ideals of not just Victim rights For erica and charlie's parents who this has been an incredibly trying. Week for them there's no question having to sit there just Feed Away from tyler robinson and to go through all of this again and this is, Just the start this isn't even the, actual trial yet but then to be told that you can't even have that evidence to be played, in open court it really really creates a situation. That's incredibly frustrating having sat there now, for three days and don't, GET me wrong i think we've seen a, lot of evidence but with knowing that there is more evidence out there that is still being held back creates. 01:11:26 Speaker 4: A massive Frustration Jack Psoba, human events daily he's been in there being a support to the family and, reporting the facts recording. What he's seen thank, You, SO much jack. I appreciate it 01:11:41 Speaker 10: For more on many of these stories and news, you can Trust go to charliekirk dot com