Gen Z Men in Their Own Words Live from CLS

00:00:03 Speaker 1: My name is Charlie kirk I run the largest pro American student organization in the country, fighting for the future of our republic. 00:00:11 Speaker 2: My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth. 00:00:14 Speaker 1: If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're gonna end up miserable. But if the most important thing is doing good, you'll end up purposeful. College is a scam, everybody. You got to stop sending your kids to college. You should get married as young as possible and have as many kids as possible. 00:00:31 Speaker 2: Go start at turning point. You would say college chapter. 00:00:33 Speaker 1: Go start at turning point, yould say high school chapter. 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I think this is one of the more critical conversations we can have because what you're about to find out, just even from the few minutes I've spent with these young guys, is that their culture is completely foreign. It's like an alien planet to older generations. And by older generations, I mean millennials and on. So you're going to learn a lot. 00:01:49 Speaker 2: I believe here. 00:01:50 Speaker 3: And just to underscore the point, who around this table is going to be old enough to vote in the next generation or the next election twenty twenty eight. 00:02:01 Speaker 2: Okay, but can you vote in the midterm? 00:02:04 Speaker 3: Yes, So we are talking to voters that will determine the future of Western civilization very very soon. 00:02:10 Speaker 2: Let's go around the horn here and talk to you guys about what year you were born. 00:02:16 Speaker 3: Give me your name and all this stuff, and then tell everybody what year you were born. 00:02:20 Speaker 4: I'm Jock Robertson. I'm from Houston, Texas. I was born in two thousand and eight, so. 00:02:24 Speaker 2: Eighteen, two thousand and eight. 00:02:26 Speaker 5: Jason Gabriel. I'm from Manhattan Beach, California. Born in two thousand and nine. 00:02:31 Speaker 6: I'm Duke Denman. I'm from Austin, Texas. I was born in two thousand and eight. 00:02:35 Speaker 7: I'm Van Lamay. 00:02:36 Speaker 8: I'm a student at West Fish Navy Academy and I was born in two thousand and nine. 00:02:39 Speaker 9: My name is Henri Gellick and I'm eighteen. I was born in two thousand and eight. 00:02:44 Speaker 10: I'm Logan Hammond. I'm from Fort Wayne, Indiana. I was born in two thousand and eight, so I'm seventeen years old. 00:02:49 Speaker 11: I'm getting very self conscious about this. Two thousand and eight was the first election. 00:02:52 Speaker 2: I voted in. 00:02:53 Speaker 11: Yeah, and these guys probably don't remember Obama winning an election, yeah, right. 00:02:58 Speaker 2: Which is wild. 00:03:00 Speaker 3: So Charlie started turning point because he watched the Obama mania takeover and he was like, we need an answer on the right. And you guys were born when Obama was elected, and I think you said two thousand and nine. Two thousand and nine, so you weren't even alive when Obama was selected. 00:03:17 Speaker 11: And for all practical purposes, you have no memory of US political culture before Donald Trump. 00:03:23 Speaker 3: You guys were Donald Trump is basically your political experience, right, yea four years of awful Joe Biden. But nevertheless it's basically Donald Trump dominated Joe Biden's term. 00:03:34 Speaker 12: They didn't live through how much. 00:03:37 Speaker 3: He changed every right, And it's like you don't remember, you know, for older people that might be watching this, like you know, pre nine to eleven, when you didn't have to, you know, get a cavity. 00:03:48 Speaker 2: Search to just get through the airport. 00:03:50 Speaker 3: Okay, So, like I just wanted to frame that up for people watching at home, that. 00:03:56 Speaker 2: The world you are living in. 00:03:57 Speaker 3: And have been exposed to and experience is completely foreign to a lot of people. 00:04:01 Speaker 2: All Right, So somebody said, I forget who it was. I think it was you. 00:04:06 Speaker 3: That your basic entire social media existence kind of online discourse, political discourse is memes is memified. Everything's memified. Everything's sort of like joke based. Is that Is that a fair description? 00:04:19 Speaker 13: Yes? 00:04:20 Speaker 2: And if it's not explain. 00:04:21 Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean I think we're living in a different era of civil discourse. I mean I think Charlie did, right, I mean, Charlie was the at the center of this new Internet form of politics and all of us we're getting our content even like some of these guys they are my friends. 00:04:39 Speaker 7: Like when I learned. 00:04:41 Speaker 8: Something about politics, often it's I see one of your guys' videos, send it to a buddy, they send it to me. 00:04:48 Speaker 7: You know, everything is based on that. 00:04:50 Speaker 8: But then also you have the negative of that, which is the memes, right like you get you have all these things, you know, you cirkified memes, the everything, and it's you know, some of it's funny, but some of it's it's like making light of just horrific things. 00:05:06 Speaker 12: And we should expand on what you mean by that. 00:05:08 Speaker 11: So Charlie, since his death, has become, to my understanding, like a stock meme character. 00:05:15 Speaker 12: Practically, it's disgusting. 00:05:18 Speaker 6: You can't you can't scroll Instagram reels without every fifth video seeing a picture of Charlie Kirk throwing out a hat with a gambling advertisement on his shirt, like it's disgusting. It makes me scroll past that immediately. But I think it's awful that they've just totally tried to materialize this good. 00:05:35 Speaker 4: It's fascinating because it's almost like they're desensitizing you to the fact that what happened right, because he's gone. He got assassinated. Been it like the memes in it being out there and the jokes that are made, it desensitizes the public too that it actually happened. 00:05:52 Speaker 2: And that's seen in other. 00:05:53 Speaker 4: Areas of politics as well, I believe, where it's like there's just memes and memes and memes, and it's almost it's like, because you see it so much, you're just used to it. 00:06:03 Speaker 3: Well, I think this is really powerful what you're saying, because I believe one of the reasons Charlie was assassinated was because, you know, Lance Twigs, Tyler Robinson, their larger friend group. We often talk about this video by Turkey Tom that dives into their lived experience, and I think it was very memeified. 00:06:23 Speaker 2: I think it was very disassociative of real morality and real. 00:06:29 Speaker 3: Lived experience, IRL life, you know, versus the meme culture where things become disconnected from the real world consequences. This is why I think we just found out that he came back to his home crying and saying you wish you wouldn't have done it, because it was an instant confrontation with reality that I think the young people like you are being steeped in memes jokes that is disassociated. 00:06:54 Speaker 2: So to ask you guys to elaborate. 00:06:56 Speaker 12: So we say you're in this very online stuff. 00:06:58 Speaker 11: How first of all, what actual social networks are you using X rayss, Instagram versus TikTok And then as a follow up, is this mostly being shared then via are you just in a bunch of group chats? And are those people you mostly know in real life or is it heavily people you know online? 00:07:16 Speaker 2: This is a great question. Yeah, let's just go around the horn. I want to hear from everybody. 00:07:19 Speaker 10: I could start off, so I'm on Instagram. Sometimes I'll go on YouTube shorts, but mainly Instagram and TikTok. I am on x but that's just for political purposes. Most of the people that these reels come from are through my Instagram reels or stuff that I send to friends that I have in real life. Very few are in group chats and it's kind of just you know, you shroll your network. I know most of my algorithm is either short form content talking about political discorse what's going on, and few memes that are relatable. 00:07:56 Speaker 3: So mostly dms to your friends in the app. Right, So you use the Instagram, okay, and most of them, you know, Okay, what about you. 00:08:05 Speaker 13: I am primarily on Instagram. 00:08:07 Speaker 9: That's kind of my primary platform, and everything I see that relates to that just comes through the algorithm. I don't necessarily know the people who are posting them. Which is the most concerning thing to me is because we don't know who these people are, and we know that these social media platforms can get extremely addictive. So when you have this mixture between lack of morality and addictiveness, we see it change the human mind. And I think, as you said about Tyler Robinson and Lance Twigs for example, that is happening to so many of our youth because they're being brainwashed from the things that they are seeing online and on social media. 00:08:45 Speaker 8: Yeah. You know, for me, I'm mostly on like my social platform is Instagram, and I think that the message that needs to be conveyed to the rest of gen Z and honestly even people in these conservative circles, is at the end of the day, a lot of these memes, you know, when I. 00:09:01 Speaker 7: See the videos of jd Vance with the lush his hair and the person that face. 00:09:07 Speaker 8: When I when I see these memes, I mean, I die laughing, but it's gone too far. 00:09:12 Speaker 7: And that's that's the line we have to draw. 00:09:14 Speaker 8: And I think that we have to be able to as a conservative movement, as conservative teams, be able to draw this line, find this distinction because we're going too far and we're getting to a culture that's desensitized. 00:09:29 Speaker 7: Are information Are you. 00:09:30 Speaker 3: In a lot of group chats or do you have like group chats within Instagram? 00:09:36 Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean I'm not really I don't really message for sure. 00:09:39 Speaker 8: I mean people with my school people from my Turning Point chapter. I mean, Henrik, like, these are the people that I'm communicating with on social media, and I think sometimes I think step back and I say, Okay, you know, I've been sent something from someone who's even a conservative on on these platforms, these memes, and it's like. 00:09:57 Speaker 12: What are we doing? 00:09:58 Speaker 7: What? 00:09:58 Speaker 13: What are we going too far? 00:10:00 Speaker 8: This is this it's getting unsensitive. And that's that's where I'm starting to be like, we need to draw the line here. 00:10:06 Speaker 2: So we'll dive into what you mean by that in a bit. 00:10:08 Speaker 6: But you go, I'm on X for politics and then I'm on Instagram for social stuff, and I'll send reels back and forth with people. 00:10:15 Speaker 2: But I've only got one TikTok so far. 00:10:16 Speaker 13: No TikTok with TikTok. 00:10:19 Speaker 6: But I don't have like online friends that I don't know in person. I think that's a little strange. 00:10:24 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:10:24 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm mostly on Instagram and Snapchat. Instagram is where the majority of the reels and that sort of content, I would say, seeps into my life. 00:10:32 Speaker 2: It's really fascinating the difference. 00:10:35 Speaker 5: In how people act when they're online or even in person showing you something online compared to when they're in person. I've got friends who I know, they're great people. I know they're good people, I know the morality. I've in frints of them for years, Yet I've seen them laugh at completely senseless means. The curkification stuff we were talking about, and for anybody who doesn't know, there's deep fakes of Charlie Kirk that people share. And my friends were dying laughing, and I asked them what's funny about that? And nobody could articulate what it was that made them laugh. It was just some reaction, very overt reaction that happened as a result of seeing whatever content was thrown their way. 00:11:15 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I'm on TikTok and Instagram and then we message on Snapchat and you know, there's Hendrickett said, there's so many of these accounts that create the same exact same memes over and over and over again to where it just fills up the algorithm. 00:11:31 Speaker 14: And then the algorithm algorithm or. 00:11:33 Speaker 4: Is flooded with all these memes and images of the kirkifies and things like that, and then we they get sent to each other and we're all in group chats and stuff like that with my buddies and they all get sent to them and it is like this almost mindless reaction to it, like what is what's kind of what's happening? 00:11:52 Speaker 2: Are they depictions of his death. 00:11:53 Speaker 4: Or no, it's just it's his face normally from one shot or one angle, and it's put on the things, whether it's like Pikachu or another meme that gets added in, Like it's just it's random. 00:12:07 Speaker 3: Is is I've heard that Charlie's featured in this? But what other things are we seeing in this? 00:12:13 Speaker 7: Means? 00:12:16 Speaker 8: To be honest with you, that's like, that's that's one of the main features Trump jd vance. 00:12:22 Speaker 2: What did he. 00:12:26 Speaker 7: And I mean they'll they'll put. 00:12:28 Speaker 8: I mean, I see images on my feet every day of like AI photos of Charlie like with Diddy and Epstein. 00:12:35 Speaker 7: Like that's that's what's getting pushed out. 00:12:36 Speaker 2: So it's from the lefties. 00:12:38 Speaker 8: Yeah, But I honestly, I think it's also now starting to become this culture synonymous with like the uber far right culture as well, kind of the groper culture and all of that, and that's really kind of starting to get tied in now too with this. 00:12:55 Speaker 11: It's the joke, just like anarchic stuff that is just Charlie with Epstein is. 00:13:00 Speaker 2: Funny because it's absurd. 00:13:03 Speaker 12: Will it have a political point at all? 00:13:05 Speaker 8: I don't think it necessarily has a political point. But I also think it's somewhat of a mockery. I think that you know, we hold Charlie to such a high value, and also, like you know, Turning Point is making so many posts honoring Charlie. We're conveying his message, and I think the left their way to respond, because they're completely unproper, is to. 00:13:28 Speaker 7: Just try to mock it as much as possible. How do you do that? 00:13:31 Speaker 8: You make an AI photo of him with Epstein. That's that's the way they find to mock him. I mean it's ridiculous. 00:13:38 Speaker 5: Well, yeah, it goes to the desensitization. I think people see these things and even if there's not really any value or meaning behind them, people will see jokes made about Charlie. That's that's the big one we've been talking about here. But Epstein did he like we're all. 00:13:53 Speaker 2: Talking about and there's not there's not value behind it. 00:13:56 Speaker 5: But when people see that, it becomes more inger in their minds, I think, and just when they interact with serious topics in the real world, some of that unthoughtfulness, let's say, seeps into their own reactions in real life. And I think that's where we've got some concerns. 00:14:14 Speaker 3: It's blurring of reality, it is, it's selling sort of confusion implied. 00:14:20 Speaker 2: You talk about brainwashing as the word it. 00:14:24 Speaker 3: Over time, you could see how this would start to kind of like seep into somebody's actual thinking. 00:14:29 Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, And it's like with Epstein, right, Epstein was a horrible person, right, what he did was inhumane, horrible, But the memes they almost normalize who he is, and so when people think of him, it's like they think of the memes and his island and things like that. They don't so much think about how bad of a person. 00:14:49 Speaker 3: He was well, and by juxtaposing him to Charlie, who was a tremendous human, an American martyr and a Christian martyr, and juxtaposing him with Epstein, it's almost you're almost conveying some of Charlie's goodness on Epstein and conveying some of Epstein's evilness onto Charlie. So you're sort of blurring everything and melding it into one. 00:15:12 Speaker 10: Le necessarily think that anybody who's perpetuating these means or creating these memes ever intended it to be this way. We all live in a digital age, and a lot of people who may not be super involved like we are in real life, they kind of just take the stuff that they see online. They take the elections, and they take the one clip liners, and they don't understand. 00:15:36 Speaker 14: That this is real life. 00:15:38 Speaker 10: They can tell you that they think it's real life, but they don't actually understand the gravity of the situation. 00:15:44 Speaker 14: And so a situation like Epstein. 00:15:46 Speaker 10: Or p Didy or the public murder of Charlie, it all just comes off as something they sell online and it can all blend together in their head. And sometimes I think that are just because of every that's happened in our lifetimes. Obviously, everybody goes through something in their lifetime, but like ours, with it all being digitally recorded and all this stuff coming out through the twenty four hour news cycle through social media, that they don't necessarily take it as seriously as they should, and it just turns into memes and jokes and it's never taken seriously. 00:16:25 Speaker 9: And if I may touch on that real quick, and you guys told me if I'm wrong, But I think within the past past five years, specifically, you know, we've lived through COVID, and I think we've seen a huge decrease in morality over the past five years. I think COVID was a big factor in that, because all of a sudden, people were staying at home, they were not seeing their family members, they were not seeing their friends, and they were scrolling they were on TikTok Instagram, and I think that had a huge effect because just to be. 00:16:52 Speaker 3: Clear, you guys were all about twelve, correct, and that's a dangerous age to be on social media. 00:16:59 Speaker 9: I think everyone could agree that, you know, a twelve yearl probably shouldn't be squirrelling. 00:17:03 Speaker 2: You all were on social media access to. 00:17:07 Speaker 15: Alady, I'm very grateful I wasn't at the time. 00:17:10 Speaker 6: Yes, I was listening to audio books during COVID and it's going on walks. 00:17:14 Speaker 2: That's why you. 00:17:16 Speaker 14: Yah. 00:17:17 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I wasn't too engaged personally in social media. But the thing is, even if you yourself are not on social media, you still get a lot of that concept just by osmosis, because all your friends, all the people around you are, and they're so heavily engaged in it that it's almost impossible to avoid. 00:17:33 Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a it's a really good point. 00:17:35 Speaker 8: And like for me tabling, when I'm doing activism events with Turning Point and going out into the community, I'll have students come up to me and like start like reciting like phrases from like Charlie kirk memes like I don't know if you've heard. 00:17:49 Speaker 7: Like the ai AI songs. 00:17:53 Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, Like there's there's all these different things, and they'll come up to me and they'll be like Charlie, Charlie Kirky and like say all these things, and it's like you're letting this bleed not only into your feed, but into your real life to the point where you'll come up to a training point student and just start resiting AI will slop. 00:18:10 Speaker 3: This is really interesting to me because you know, you know, we're because of what we have to do on a daily basis, we're constantly keeping track of the news, actual facts, source information, reported information, which has a lot of factual issues in and of itself, but at least there it exists within a framework and a context where they get checked by people, in fact checked by people. But it's becoming apparent to me that with so much of this like fake content just controlling your guys algorithms, you're probably especially when you're tabling, you're confronting a lot of just nonsense, a lot of like garbage that people probably assume is real on some level, and it turns out. 00:18:48 Speaker 2: It's just completely fabricated. Is that fair to say? 00:18:51 Speaker 13: Very yes, absolutely. 00:18:52 Speaker 8: And it's gotten to the point also where I think that this is not fully mainstream media, but media personalities are also so kind of pushing this forward. Like you talk about like people like Nick Wednesday's, like they're in their super chats on their podcasts talking about these memes addressing this, you know, and it's it's that when you see a real person then talking about it, not only are you seeing these reels this AI slot, but you're seeing real people talking about it and regurgitating it, and it starts influencing and honestly, I think it's terrible. 00:19:26 Speaker 7: It's starting to influence young men. 00:19:27 Speaker 10: Especially in the most The scariest part about some of these influencers is that it's not actual people watching their entire live streams or their entire videos. They get clipped and then people just find them funny. But when you're perpetually watching that and it goes into your brain. We know that biblically, what comes into your brain, what you hear, what you consume, it turns your heart and it changes your heart. 00:19:50 Speaker 3: Okay, So I want to that you it's a good transition point because we didn't establish this. You guys are obviously here. You're acknowledging that there's an issue. You have some grounding, some good moral framework. How many of you are Christians or Catholics or Christian Protestant I'm Catholic, Catholic, I'm Catholic. 00:20:11 Speaker 2: Okay. 00:20:13 Speaker 3: Do you feel like that has been basically why you've been able to navigate some of this stuff and keep your head on straight. 00:20:20 Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely. 00:20:21 Speaker 5: I think without for me, without my Catholic Christian framework, moral framework, I don't know how I would endure. 00:20:29 Speaker 2: And that's scary to me. 00:20:30 Speaker 5: I mean when I talk with my parents or grandparents, they didn't encounter that sort of stuff in high school, no. 00:20:34 Speaker 3: Because the wider culture still had its head on mostly straight, right. And now what you guys are revealing is that outside of our Christian culture, which is sadly a subculture now which we want to change, but that it's increasingly frightful out there essentially, which is your lived experience. 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That's Noble Goold Investments dot com slash kirk. Own the metal the future depends on. 00:21:56 Speaker 2: I just wanted to get some basic framework careful. 00:21:58 Speaker 3: So Danny's telling me that because he's you know, kind of he interacts with you guys a lot more in this in this age group, that there is a general sort of lack of basic understanding what you want to do and who you want to be, what you want to do. 00:22:13 Speaker 2: With your life? Are you? Is that? First of all? 00:22:15 Speaker 3: Is that accurate? And if it's not accurate for you, is it accurate? Would you say of the wider wider friend group, wider culture in your age. 00:22:21 Speaker 14: Group for me, not so for my wider friend group. Yeah, I would also say aimlessness. 00:22:27 Speaker 10: I would say that they don't carry a lot of purpose in life. The main reason why, you know, some of these memes don't really came across my feet anymore because I don't interact with them because I believe that if something doesn't build me up, it tears me down, and I don't want that in my life. While other people they're not really looking at what builds them up. And I think that they're very apathetic not only to politics, not only to the mainstream media, they're apathetic to life in general. And they they they don't know what's going on, and they don't want to know what's going on in life. I have so many friends that just they don't care, and I tried to talk to them and have genuine conversations about Hey, life actually matters. You know, you're not eighteen forever. There is a world after this, and you have to find out what your purpose in life is because what drives for me is not this life, but where I'm going afterwards. 00:23:26 Speaker 2: Okay, do you guys agree with that? 00:23:28 Speaker 3: Is there a general apathy that you are encountering with young men on your general. 00:23:33 Speaker 5: Say that I've definitely noticed that among many people there is a sort of intentional but unaware self destruction and ultimlainly what I mean, that's a bit of an oxymoron. 00:23:45 Speaker 2: But I'll look around. 00:23:46 Speaker 5: For example, I took a photography class this past year, black and white photography, and so when I was in the dark room, I would look around and you just see blue light from people's phones shining in their faces. It felt like I was in some dystopian You're looking around and people are so engrossed in I'm talking mostly about social media when I say the self destruction, in scrolling and looking at reels, in talking superficial conversations, that often I think we miss out. 00:24:15 Speaker 2: On real experiences in the real world. 00:24:17 Speaker 5: And I've definitely noticed that, and I'm blessed to have had that perspective, and I'm trying to back off from social media and and go out and. 00:24:25 Speaker 2: Experience the world. But it's definitely difficult. 00:24:27 Speaker 5: Like we were talking about earlier, you know, social media is so ingrained in so many of our peers' lives that it's hard to avoid even when you really want to. 00:24:36 Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I think drive is something that really. 00:24:41 Speaker 11: Ze. 00:24:42 Speaker 7: Yeah. So I think my family. 00:24:44 Speaker 8: My family owned small businesses, and I've said to my friends multiple times, Hey, if you guys are looking for a summer job if you're interested. And I'll have friends say to me, why would I work? 00:24:54 Speaker 7: What is the purpose? 00:24:55 Speaker 8: And I think that people have lost all ambition, they've lost drive, they've lost a. 00:25:01 Speaker 7: Sense of care. 00:25:02 Speaker 8: It's all a sense that they don't they say, yeah, they don't care. 00:25:08 Speaker 7: Yeah, they don't care about authority, they don't. 00:25:10 Speaker 3: Like social media is literally turning your generation into. 00:25:14 Speaker 2: Like mush, you go numb in your mind. Absolutely, yea. 00:25:17 Speaker 11: Even the thought I've had since moving over this is also that AI has exploded a lot in the last few years. 00:25:26 Speaker 12: What do you and people you know even plan to do? 00:25:28 Speaker 11: Because I've had this thought where if I was giving my sister's advice because they have young kids, I don't know what I would tell them what their kids should study, for example, because I don't know what will actually even exist in ten years. 00:25:40 Speaker 2: Yeah, do you guys know what you want to do? 00:25:43 Speaker 8: Do you? 00:25:43 Speaker 2: Are you worried that what you want to do will no longer be doable? No? Not quite think. 00:25:48 Speaker 4: I think if my dad has always said this, he's like, AI cannot replicate this. It can't do what we're doing right now, right, And so I think what finds value is to finding things that are going to be sought after people's skills. Right yesterday when the speakers talking about how AI, even if it takes some jobs, that's going to raise the demand of other jobs, right, And so it's specializing in things that are unique to you and unique to humanity almost. 00:26:19 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:26:20 Speaker 3: So but you have good parenting, you have good moral framework from your faith and things like that. 00:26:26 Speaker 2: Generally speaking, we're. 00:26:27 Speaker 3: Talking about this sort of apathetic, mushy existence of just being like glued to your digital device that's in your hand. 00:26:35 Speaker 2: This blue light images. I'll probably never forget that. 00:26:38 Speaker 3: Actually, it's a really powerful description of everybody in an IRL environment where you're supposed to be looking at something physical and yet. 00:26:46 Speaker 2: They're all sploting heads. That's all I saw. 00:26:48 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a fascinating image. So drive this lack of it? 00:26:53 Speaker 14: Is this? 00:26:55 Speaker 3: Do you feel this as well, like when you're thinking about your generation or do you still feel like there's a lot of ambition. 00:27:00 Speaker 2: When it comes to my generation. I'd say yes. When it comes to me personally, no, okay. 00:27:03 Speaker 6: And then on AI, like I want to go into politics, so I don't think AI is going to be taking my job there, But in terms of in terms of a lot of the things that that job would require, writing anything like that. I'm definitely scared that AI is going to be taking over from that, Like if you why would a company hire people to. 00:27:19 Speaker 14: Do it when they can just have an AI to do it. 00:27:21 Speaker 6: And I think that also contributes to some of the apathy of our generation because people use AI. People use AI in school to do their homework, but then they also. 00:27:30 Speaker 2: This is interesting. This is interesting. 00:27:32 Speaker 3: So you asked the question like about AI and is it contributing to apathy, and it sounds like the answer is yes, but kind of in an backwards way because it's not that they're going one to one. 00:27:44 Speaker 2: Well, AI is just going to take my job. What's the point. 00:27:46 Speaker 3: It's they're probably like using it, and therefore it's like contributing to this like overall kind of mush brain replacing their thinking. 00:27:55 Speaker 2: It's replacing their thinking. 00:27:57 Speaker 8: Yes, But what's interesting about AI now is there this new culture on the left specifically, like I mean, for a builder, for someone that wants to innovate, AI is truly the paint brush to the artist, right. AI is something that's revolutionary for people, like for myself my chapter, we actually have a vibe coded AI website that we use for all of our meetings, for check ins for different things. But the problem is now the left, they've come up with this idea that AI is evil, data centers are taking up our water, all these things, and now they're pushing forward, don't use AI. 00:28:34 Speaker 7: But what are these people gonna do? 00:28:35 Speaker 8: What are they gonna do when the world changes and they don't change with it. And now the left to counteract like our new economy is saying, oh, we're not going to use AI and we're going to sit around and take welfare checks because they're unwilling to use AI because it's immoral, don't I don't understand. 00:28:54 Speaker 10: I think that when it comes to the AI, people have always tried to find a way outside of doing their work. I remember when my brother was my age and my mom scolded him for copying a paper off online. You know, people have always tried to find a way out, especially our generation. And one thing, especially with my chapter, that have been trying to focus on is why why does it matter? 00:29:18 Speaker 14: Obviously? 00:29:19 Speaker 2: Why does what matter? 00:29:21 Speaker 14: Anything matter? 00:29:22 Speaker 10: Why does something belong in your life? Why should you do something? You know, people we live in an age now where you can almost put you can avoid any work. People use online gambling to try to make money, People use, you know, the use AI to do their work. They think that that's how they're going to get in life, is you know, pushing stuff off. But we live in an age where you have to have a why for something and you have to explain that why. Because when you actually enjoy something, when you know the purpose of it, you're not going to pass it off, but you're going to take responsibility for it, and you're going to do it with your heart. And that's what we need more of. 00:30:03 Speaker 3: So like in a Broadway, just taking this the why because I'm fascinated from a communications standpoint, right, Like we do a daily show and we're explaining things, and I'm realizing in this conversation that I'm taking certain presumed baseline facts and assumptions. I'm taking them for granted with your generation. Right, So if you were born in two thousand and eight, it's almost like are you telling adults that you need to re establish the why in almost everything? Like why do we care that you know, housings affordable? Or why do we care that the you know, the socialists don't. 00:30:41 Speaker 2: Take over in New York and southern California. 00:30:43 Speaker 3: Like, why is it worth getting out of bed? Why is it worth pursuing a career? Why is it worth it? Like is that kind of what you're saying, like basic fundamental, Like you know, because I would have assumed, you know, some semblance of ambition could be assumed in most people. You're telling me that if you were born in two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine, then maybe I shouldn't have assumed. 00:31:03 Speaker 2: That people like the idea of the end result, but not the hard work. 00:31:07 Speaker 5: And it's hard work and overcoming obstacles that drive development. And when people avoid that hardship, they don't develop in the same way. And that's I think a bit of a scary prognosis for our generation and the future of our country and the world. 00:31:23 Speaker 2: Honestly. 00:31:24 Speaker 3: Yeah, So would you say that there's a lack of ambition or is it unfocused? 00:31:29 Speaker 2: Ambition? Unfocused? And what do they aspire to? If anyone? Yeah, your what does your generation want? What do they want out at? Success? 00:31:37 Speaker 8: Fame? 00:31:39 Speaker 2: Success fame? 00:31:40 Speaker 14: Yea, social media fame? 00:31:42 Speaker 3: Okay, social media fame clicks. Yeah, that's like the most common ambition. 00:31:47 Speaker 5: Maybe it's a searching for human connection off off that because fame clicks that sort of thing. It's a sort of people want to connect. They want to have a group they can call their own and someplace they can call family among other people. And a lot of people are misguided in believing that being on social media often is going to provide that. When it doesn't, it pulls them further away from that. But the more they're involved in that social media, the less they realize that, and it just continues. 00:32:16 Speaker 14: Yeah, I think because you have to go ahead. 00:32:17 Speaker 6: I'm just going to say you have to take the step off of social media. Maybe social media is a great tool for connecting with people around you, But if that's all it is, and you just stay sending reels back and forth and you never actually have a human interaction, you've gained virtually nothing. 00:32:31 Speaker 9: Social media is a good tool when you use it right. But we grew up in a way where, you know, my parents didn't have experience with social media, so I didn't have like an Instagram teacher who was like, use this responsibly. Yeah, So when we were just thrown into COVID as twelve year old kids, it's like this is the only way we can have a human connection now. That kind of formulated our minds, and I get a lot of hope being here because I'm surrounded around a lot of like minded people. Yeah, and it gives me a lot of motivation to keep moving forward. But I think my generation is missing that because we grew up in a way where we had no one educating us on how to have human connection when you can't see people face to face. 00:33:09 Speaker 11: There's been proposals lately in the US and other countries to essentially ban kids sixteen or under or eighteen under from a lot of social media websites or heavily newter what they're able to see and receive or catachen basically heavily regulate social media for people who are minors. 00:33:27 Speaker 2: Do you guys agree? I big concern for that, actually. 00:33:30 Speaker 5: I think that when you take that away, people just want it more and there will always be workarounds. There will always be ways to get through things. My school, for example, they block a lot of online websites and games and stuff, so kids aren't messing around during class. People use VPNs, they get around. There's always a way to get around that roadblock, and that's putting a bandit on the issue, it's not solving it. I think somehow, some way, there needs to be a cultural shift. People need to become more aware and actively seek hardship and human interaction in the real world, not on their phone. 00:34:02 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's a cultural change. It's not something you can just change by writing it into law. 00:34:07 Speaker 14: I think that the. 00:34:08 Speaker 10: Issue is I'm homeschooled. I live in a very Christian homeschooled community. I have been more my parents have taught me. They help me experience these things like social media, but they guide me through it, teaching me how to do these things. 00:34:26 Speaker 6: Now. 00:34:26 Speaker 10: I have friends who their parents said you're not allowed to have social media until you're sixteen eighteen. Now they're eighteen, twenty two years down the line, and they turn out the same way. And they're also the people who push out the kirkified memes. And it's not pushing it off. I advocate for teaching. I believe regulation should be in place, but you also need to teach how to responsibly use social media and how to put down the phone at times. I think that that's a big thing, is you need to teach them put down the phone, go. 00:35:00 Speaker 14: Pursue other things. 00:35:01 Speaker 10: And when you're scrolling something, you need to ask yourself, does this contribute to my life? Or is this contributing to human connection? I honestly don't scroll unless my friends are sending me stuff now, and it's a way that we can actually bond over stuff we see, rather than just interacting with a computer algorithm. 00:35:24 Speaker 9: And Blake, to add on your point, I believe it was Australia that just did the regulation in the UK is about to do it, and I think it'll. 00:35:31 Speaker 15: Be very interesting to see what the results of that are. 00:35:34 Speaker 8: Ye. 00:35:34 Speaker 9: Now, I do agree with you because it's not just an issue about the tool. 00:35:38 Speaker 15: It's an issue about our society as a whole. And how do we fix that? 00:35:43 Speaker 8: Now? 00:35:43 Speaker 9: I think that's a question that we all have to ask ourselves, is how do we fix something that we didn't necessarily allow happen to us, but it just happened. 00:35:52 Speaker 15: How does my generation go about solving this issue now? 00:35:56 Speaker 7: Well, I think it's all about communication. 00:35:58 Speaker 8: I think we're kind of talking about this pan Doras Box effect of taking away social media and these children just wanting it more. They crave, Children innately crave. 00:36:09 Speaker 7: What they don't have. 00:36:10 Speaker 8: When you put the cookie jar they're going to reach, you know, and so I think that we have to have dialogue. I think Charlie did a great job with so many people on the left were so against right wing policy because they didn't understand it and what they were being fed through the algorithm was negative. But when Charlie went into the public sphere, when he went and he said, this is the truth. This is biological, this is biblical, this is scientific. Look at this. Put it straight in their eyes. They can't ignore it. 00:36:42 Speaker 7: Social media. 00:36:43 Speaker 8: It's just a conversation that we need to start having. We need to say, you know what this is here, but there's a better way to deal with it. 00:36:51 Speaker 7: It's social. 00:36:52 Speaker 13: This is what you concern everyone is. 00:36:54 Speaker 15: You don't have to pay to download Instagram. 00:36:57 Speaker 9: So Instagram's not relying off of a certain prime for them to get their revenue. You are the product and that is so important to define because you have to ask yourself why are they doing this? And we see, like as Charlie used to say, we live in the most suicidal, perverse, depressed, drug addicted generation. So we have major issues we have to solve. So why are these social media companies they're clearly profiting off something and we're not paying a dime by downloading them. And I believe that they're profiting off our addiction through the algorithms, through the AI that goes through and it sees what you're interested in, and it makes it so hard that once you start scrolling, makes it so hard to get off, because you say, I want that extra sense of dopamine, I want to scroll one more time, and that just one more time turns into ten fifty, one hundred, and I think it just builds off itself and turns into a very harmful. 00:37:49 Speaker 3: I often talk about how our culture, and you've seen this a lot, we build up antibodies. But before you build up an antibody to something, you have to get sick with it first, right, Seeing this in some of this conspiracy nonsense around Charlie's assassination, it's almost like it took us ten months and the preliminary hearing for the social media of it at all to sort of start fighting back for the truth. But for ten months it was bleak. Right, It's like, so you know what I hear you guys talking about with just social media in general. I thought that was a really good point you made that your parents didn't grow up with it, so they didn't know how to necessarily teach the next generation that was social media and natives how to use it responsibly, and that that is a gaps. Like my parents taught me how to balance a checkbook. Nobody's balancing checkbooks anymore. They don't, you know, it's like that was. 00:38:37 Speaker 13: They might not know what to check exactly. 00:38:38 Speaker 2: You guys don't even know what a checkbook is. But it's just that's that's what. That's a really fascinating point, Like how old are your guys'. 00:38:45 Speaker 5: Parents just curious in forties, forties, fifties, sixties, fifties. 00:38:50 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so okay, so. 00:38:51 Speaker 3: Gen X parents, Okay, this is all really really fascinating. I think you just opened a lot of people's eyes to what you guys or your lived experiences. But let's talk about let's talk about the politics of it, all right. So Charlie was known for really impacting young men specifically and changing the way they saw politics. 00:39:16 Speaker 2: And President Trump. President Trump had historic gains in. 00:39:20 Speaker 3: Twenty twenty four with young men specifically, but those gains have fallen away. Why why did that happen? First of all, and second of all, you know, talk about what you guys are seeing about President Trump, about conservatives, mostly negative, mostly positive, and maybe you guys are conservatives, so speak about yourself, but also your wider friend groups. 00:39:47 Speaker 2: It doesn't matter where we start. How about we start here. 00:39:52 Speaker 14: Shoot, I don't think I have a good answer there. 00:39:55 Speaker 2: Well, the vibe around Trump, was it bad? Is it good? 00:40:00 Speaker 5: I think that there's a sort of general movement on Instagram, for example, social media when we talk about people who are more extreme righters, people are right or leftists, Marxist, that sort of thing, really vitriolic, negative things are pushed, and whichever side that's from, that's what people typically see. 00:40:24 Speaker 9: I think. 00:40:24 Speaker 5: So I would say that for the most part, because the content that creates the most engagement is the most extreme, emotional extreme, the one that creates the most visceral reaction, because that's what gets views and clicks. 00:40:37 Speaker 2: This is just the way it is. 00:40:39 Speaker 5: I would say mostly negative things because to be honest, the positive things sometimes they may seem more tame than a crazy accusation that's made. I mean with conspiracy theories, like if Kennis Owens makes a crazy claim, you know that's going to get more views and more clicks because it's so outlandish. 00:40:58 Speaker 3: I had the honor of a lifetime to call Charlie a friend, and what I remember most wasn't just what people saw on stage. It was what was behind the scenes. That was an unwavering commitment to his faith, his love for his family, and his genuine desire to encourage others to live with courage and conviction. Charlie believed that following Christ wasn't something you compartmentalize. He didn't put it in a box. He lived it out loud. It shaped how he lived, how he served, how he treated people every single day. Charlie Kirk American Martyr captures that heart. This documentary isn't just simply about remembering Charlie. It's an invitation for each of us to ask what kind of legacy we're building and whether we're willing to stand firm in our own faith when it's tested. I hope that you'll watch it with your family and have those conversations together. Go to angel dot com slash kirk. That's angel dot com slash Kirk, become an Angel Guild member, watch Charlie Kirk American Martyr and help bring more stories of faith, courage, and conviction to audiences around the world. 00:42:04 Speaker 6: I would say specifically, objectively false content specifically around President Trump is so high on Instagram, specifically, so I have friends that are do not love President Trump as much as I do, and they will send you reels all the time, and I will instantly go look it up and. 00:42:20 Speaker 2: See if that's true. 00:42:20 Speaker 6: It's just objectively and it happened just I would say, specifically Trump with Epstein. That's maybe the tons of AI photos that people think are real, fake stories, fake documents from the Epstein files that say Trump was on the island. All the time, I see it and my friends believe it, and it's awful, and I think that that has contributed a little. 00:42:45 Speaker 11: You say that just also because I wanted to ask what issues they care most about, and is it is this what's standing out? Like they'll say my top political issue is Epstein justice or take. 00:42:57 Speaker 12: Down the Epstein. 00:42:58 Speaker 6: A lot of my friends would say that, yes, yeah, useless Epstein. 00:43:01 Speaker 4: Like justice, But it's just people they want to know. There's almost like a taboo around Epstein. And with the files, they people heard that there's extras left right, and they weren't all released, and so people think that they're protecting people in power, right, and a lot of times that's Trump, right, And so I think almost there is a there's just like a there's a taboo around it, and so people talk about it more and then they cause and then it causes discourse, and then people make things up now too to be like, oh, well this actually released, but. 00:43:36 Speaker 12: It did not. 00:43:36 Speaker 6: And I would add specifically on the Trump Epstein thing, it's it's not all totally fake, like Trump's saying that the Epstein files were a Democrat hoax that totally fed into it and let it led it to be even more when we know that's not true. 00:43:50 Speaker 3: So he yeah, what he was specifically referring to, and actually I was Kad said this pretty well in an event that I was with him at. 00:43:58 Speaker 2: He was saying that the. 00:44:00 Speaker 3: The hoax he meant, like, the pursuit of coming after him was the hoax, right, because they didn't do this when Joe Biden was president, and all of a sudden it became this like you know, this driver. So that's what he was getting at. But yeah, he wasn't saying that Epstein in it of itself was a host. 00:44:18 Speaker 5: Well, and just like here, I think the meetings are misconstrued. So a lot of people don't realize that. And that's another issue because when there's not clarity, people run with what may not be true. 00:44:27 Speaker 2: Maybe it's true, maybe it isn't. 00:44:28 Speaker 5: They don't know, but people run with things and that should be difficult because I mean, right here, I think that's the perfect example of that. Like I'm in the same boat now with that explanation, that makes sense. But a lot of people, especially those who are less engaged in politics, let's say, I don't think that they consider that deeply. Some of the stuff they hear, so they'll hear some crazy headline or something and they'll internalize that and then just be like, Okay, that's my politics. 00:44:51 Speaker 2: But we saw this. We saw this with this video of Charlie at Aspen. 00:44:57 Speaker 3: Right, you guys probably heard about that story, yes, where he asked, you know what the succession. 00:45:02 Speaker 2: Plan for a turning point was? So then Erica had it as part of our intro. 00:45:06 Speaker 3: Video Women's Leadership Summit, and then that I said something along the lines that we decided to troll the trolls, meaning the trolls were. 00:45:13 Speaker 12: Like the video, so then we want to you don't want to just let them have. 00:45:18 Speaker 3: So we released it on our terms and so as a troll to the troll, the internet took that as we released an AI video like somehow, and then it became this thing and then it was like on PBDS podcasts that and they were so mad at us for really you know, and like we dealt with it and we like corrected it, but I couldn't believe how far it, like so that you'd ask Groc and Groc would say, yeah, it's. 00:45:41 Speaker 2: An AI video, and we're like how this, Like, God, it wasn't. I never said it was. 00:45:46 Speaker 13: An AI vide about it is that I want to throw How bad is it? 00:45:49 Speaker 11: Where someone if you assert something, someone will just outsour us like, oh, here's the here's the AI. 00:45:54 Speaker 12: I asked AI to think for me here. 00:45:56 Speaker 10: It's like your generation would understand this of people just like reading the head lines. Now, imagine if the headlines were just. 00:46:04 Speaker 14: All you saw. 00:46:05 Speaker 10: Yah, yeah, people are just people are just reading a memafied version of the headlines. And let's say you accidentally made a slip up in what you said that is instantly being clipped like before if it was in the newspaper. You can't just go out and take like one segment as somebody accidentally mispronouncing a word, but now it's it's the cliped version. 00:46:28 Speaker 9: Yeah, And that brings up such an important point because I think where my generation gets their news from social media? 00:46:34 Speaker 8: Now. 00:46:34 Speaker 9: I actually asked Shaw before I came out here. I said, weird question, but where did Charlie get his news from? Because I really wanted to get that information, because, to be honest, I don't know what to believe online anymore because the limit of entry to go on social media and post content there is not anyone can do it right. 00:46:53 Speaker 13: And when you bring up headlines, there can be a headline and it has nothing to do with the relevant story. It can be totally unrelated, which is the concern I see because I just want a. 00:47:02 Speaker 9: Way to get straight news that is all about facts, and we don't have that in our generation. 00:47:06 Speaker 5: I read I read an article the other day that was about recently there's an incident with Ice where there was an legal immigrant who was being arrested. He drove and tried to run over the Ice agent and was shot. And it was talking about how all of these headlines were talking about father of how many people who's been working in Houston for thirty five years building homes, is shot in terrible incident, and then you read five paragraphs down and at that point they're like, oh, he was trying to kill the guy. But the people who read the headlines or just read the first paragraphic there. 00:47:40 Speaker 3: Is a huge felt need that I'm just like I'm realizing of just like a it's like a full time I'm not committing to us doing this, but like there maybe we should of just like seeing the new like disinformation that like your generation the. 00:47:58 Speaker 13: Tail end of gen Z. 00:47:59 Speaker 3: By the way, we talked about gen Z, you guys here at the very end, there's only a few more years of gen Z. 00:48:05 Speaker 2: Then we're already at gen Alfa. 00:48:06 Speaker 13: That's right, ye. 00:48:09 Speaker 9: All this. 00:48:11 Speaker 2: Yeah so so. 00:48:13 Speaker 3: But the point is of seeing this stuff that you guys are getting fed and then somebody basically doing videos of like this is what the kids are seeing, Here's what actually is the truth, because it sounds like you guys are just literally don't know where to go for truth and mean for it. 00:48:29 Speaker 7: And sorry. 00:48:31 Speaker 8: The thing that I am finding most concerning for the right, for the conservative movement is it's unfortunately I think it it's come with the passing of Charlie is Charlie was the bedrock of the conservative movement. He was what felt like kept everything together, and now it's fragmented. 00:48:48 Speaker 7: We have all these different fights. 00:48:49 Speaker 8: We've got Candice and Shapiro and and so it's so difficult now for the conservative movement because there's so many people, actually the younger generation, that are hearing this from them and hearing that from them. And now we have a conservative movement that's completely divided, and it's it's absolutely terrible to see. 00:49:11 Speaker 3: I would love to submit that some of those names you just mentioned are actually liberals. 00:49:16 Speaker 2: But that you that you think you. 00:49:18 Speaker 3: Think that there can they at least used to be associated on some level with conservatives. 00:49:24 Speaker 2: But anyway, some of this is is a. 00:49:26 Speaker 12: Little black pilling, and Charlie says, we can't black pilt. 00:49:29 Speaker 13: So I know. 00:49:29 Speaker 11: Another culture I've seen that feels stronger among young men that it did in my own generation is there was at least a culture of maybe self improvement, like guys who get really into the. 00:49:41 Speaker 2: Gym, for example, thrill into that. 00:49:44 Speaker 12: Is that still going with guys? 00:49:45 Speaker 4: That's a possi It's big. I mean, there's influencers, and their whole thing is looks maxing right, making. 00:49:52 Speaker 2: Your say some of the names, the big names. 00:49:58 Speaker 13: To take advice from them, Andrew m. 00:50:01 Speaker 16: Lava even without the end one of them that just came out, one of them died apparently because he was injecting gold into himself and he went in the strain. 00:50:13 Speaker 8: So I think that goes back to this online culture that's unreal. It's it's a false reality, and these people are watching it sitting in their living room saying, wow, I'd love to do that, but they have no ambition, they have no drive, and they're looking at this and it just makes them feel sad. When you when you see someone like clav who is un like ungodly looking and just like I mean. 00:50:36 Speaker 7: His chin, his chin is like it looks like a knife. And you see that and you're sitting on your no I'm. 00:50:42 Speaker 8: Serious, when you're when you're sitting on your couch without purpose, without drive, you see that, and that's that's why we have these suicide rates, especially in young men, and. 00:50:51 Speaker 10: It's a huge issue and people. This is where I think the beginning of the apathy came from, was when you first started having any type of you know, social media, because it gave you an essence of somebody being in their real life, but actually they're showing this glamorified version of their life. 00:51:12 Speaker 14: And I think even for me it's hard. 00:51:14 Speaker 10: It's great being at this chapter Leadership summit because I see some of these chapter presidents. I look at their chapters and they're huge, and I'm like, oh my gosh, I wish my chapter was like that. Then you meet them and you're like, we're honestly like the same type of person. And then I meet twenty thirty more chapter presidents for that one that have the exact same size chapter as meet or less with the same struggles. And that's just what personally I'm experiencing here is like, you honestly feel like you're with real people who have the same struggles as you. But when you have this social media where you know the person who is you know, we talked about the extremes go viral. The average person doesn't go viral. It's when they do something that is not average, and people will will use things to make that artificially happen. And I think that's one of the biggest issues in our dating culture right now is people's standards are so high because of what they see on the internet. People's standards for themselves, they don't try to pursue them because they're so atrociously high that they just seem unpursuable. 00:52:20 Speaker 3: I think that's a really good insight. I I think you're talking in broad strokes. You could call it conspiracy culture too, sort of disinformation culture. 00:52:33 Speaker 8: These people are synonymous with the same like, it's the same circles. Like if you look at Clavicular, they're they're interacting with some of these people that are promoting these conspiracies, promoting all these different things. 00:52:43 Speaker 7: It's it's kind of the same particular. 00:52:45 Speaker 10: And Nick Fuint has did a lot of content together. Yea actual, yeah, Andrew take. 00:52:49 Speaker 9: You know what. 00:52:49 Speaker 5: I think gen Z has a fear of commitment. And because there's a fear of commitment to let's say, religion, faith, having a relationship with God for example, that absence that whole and somebody's soul gets. 00:53:01 Speaker 2: Filled by all this it gets builled by all this stuff. What about Israel, we're. 00:53:08 Speaker 7: Here, what about Israel? 00:53:09 Speaker 2: Exactly exactly? Yeah, I mean it's we're talking about conspiracy culture. Listen. I have very complex views. 00:53:19 Speaker 3: I find jew hate to be extraordinarily evil, but I have policy differences with Israel, and I'm America first, for example, So I'll just put that out there. I but it's there's no denying that, especially for younger people. It has become the catch all, like you know Ziosberg, and it's like Jews burging is literally what happens online for like, it's ninety percent of the wedge issue that I see. So what are you seeing around the Israel topic for people that let's just say, there's a boomer watching gen x er okay, boomer that wants to understand what you guys actually think about Isra, what you're perceiving that the vibe is about Israel in your generation. 00:54:06 Speaker 5: Tell them, I'm really glad you brought that up, because we were actually talking about this outside. 00:54:09 Speaker 2: We knew this would get brought up. We were certain of it. 00:54:12 Speaker 5: And the reason why is so many people, I mean, so many people will automatically default. 00:54:20 Speaker 2: Too if they don't fully understand something. Blame is Reel. The Jews did it. And I think it goes back. 00:54:25 Speaker 4: To the meme culture toomes are more than Charlie, more than Epstein, like they are all over the place, whether it's saying Israel owns Trump, whether it's saying this has happened because of Israel or whatever the case might be. 00:54:40 Speaker 14: It almost people. 00:54:41 Speaker 4: Are defaulting to it now, and it's like the cat exactly, I get cornered. 00:54:48 Speaker 2: Well, of course, you would say, because you're a Zio show. 00:54:50 Speaker 4: Exactly, and because it's being normalized now, it's in the way of people think and they see it online and then it starts to influence their mind and so it's like maybe they weren't they had no problem with Israel, but now they see all the memes and they start to believe the falseness and the whatever the case might be. Now they're like, oh, well, this business went bankrupt because of them, or whatever the case might be. 00:55:12 Speaker 2: Does this even have a guess? 00:55:15 Speaker 9: And obviously that's morally wrong, and I will you know, we've had issues like that in our country and that's something that is obvious. But also like to address the boomers, I would first say America is the greatest country. 00:55:27 Speaker 13: To ever exist. 00:55:29 Speaker 15: Yea, we all around this table agree with that absolutely. 00:55:32 Speaker 9: However, we face some very key issues in our nation right now, and I think we need to focus the mess belief first before we get involved in foreign policy. And I think that's that's the biggest thing with my generation. It's because we've grown up in a society that needs help, and we get frustrated when we see help going to other nations when it's not being focused on us. 00:55:51 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:55:53 Speaker 11: Well, in question, I was going to ask, since you mentioned since it is everything like a business goes under and they say Israel or whatever, is there even a policy expression of this meme, like does this translate to any actual political demands or is it almost they blame the Jews or blame Israel the way you might otherwise blame, you know, gremlins or something. 00:56:18 Speaker 5: There are a lot of people who they'll joke about it and don't think of that seriously, But the jokes are so constant about Israel did this, Israel did that that it honestly makes me start to think that maybe these people do believe that. 00:56:32 Speaker 10: To a certain it started a problem a lot of people, you know, because of the reason Trump won in twenty twenty four is clearly because young men like us were unheard. We were attacked by the left. If you are straight, if you are white, if you are a male. If you are all. 00:56:49 Speaker 14: Three, you are their worst enemy. You are the scum of the earth. 00:56:53 Speaker 10: You are kicked out, you were just berated, and you are the worst person in their lives. And if you add on being a Christian and being a conservative, you're the plorable. 00:57:04 Speaker 14: You're there. 00:57:06 Speaker 10: They think that we should be shot and and they carried that out on Charlie. But then they go and some of us has posted a picture in front of the pickup the mic stand, and they go and they say, you need to be curked. 00:57:18 Speaker 4: I mean, last night, we're at the baseball game. Two girls got pushed down a stairway by an angry attendee and then she ran out of the stadium. And I don't know, I think the girls are okay, but like they got pushed down a stairwell because they were in a freedom Sure. 00:57:34 Speaker 6: Like somebody told some of my friends that they should be kirked and then pointed to their neck right here in a very clear attempt to say that. 00:57:40 Speaker 2: And then someone else was weirrid to me about it. It's a removal from also at the game. 00:57:44 Speaker 7: Is that the game last night? 00:57:45 Speaker 8: Yes? And to say to say to the older audience, by the way, because you guys keep saying it into even you guys, that's a verbal now to get curved. 00:57:53 Speaker 13: That's a verb. 00:57:54 Speaker 8: That is a verb that people use literally like to refer to assassination. 00:57:59 Speaker 7: They will say kirke. 00:58:00 Speaker 3: When it started with Luigi Mangioni and the United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson, I think is his name, and you pull this and it's something like between eighteen and thirty nine self described liberals. It's basically almost thirty percent believe that political violence is okay. Yeah, So it's distinctly had a huge ramp up with young people that are progressing, and. 00:58:22 Speaker 10: I'm concerned at how much's ramping up and young younger conservatives who are there. 00:58:28 Speaker 14: They're not truly anti Semitic. I hope you guys know that they are. 00:58:34 Speaker 10: So there are some, but that is a minority that leads the thoughts, and there's sheep that follow that, and they just hear it, and so then when they hear actually, there weren't six million Jews. There were only two hundred thousand that were killed in the Holocaust. 00:58:51 Speaker 14: And people people tell me, Logan, that's a fact, and I said, where did you hear it? 00:58:54 Speaker 10: Well, there was this Instagram reel and I'm like, I tell them, stop listening to the reels. 00:58:59 Speaker 7: Do your research. 00:59:01 Speaker 10: That is, there are so many people that you can go and talk to who are Holocaust survivors, who will tell you about that pain and it gives them a dose of reality for a moment, and they're they're upset about what's going on. But then they hear that Benjamin yet now who controls Trump? That a lot of them. Something that's really misinformed right now is they're telling people that where in Iran because of Israel? Like that's the big talking point right now, when I will talk to them and point to so many other reasons why we're in Iran outside of Israel. And I take the Matt Walsh approach on the Israeli topic. I'm America first, and I think that we should aid our allies when they need aid, when it benefits us. But a lot of people feel ignored and then they go to the extreme. 00:59:49 Speaker 9: I think it's important to make a key differential here between Israel, the Israeli people, the Jewish people in the Israeli government very much. When I say I'm America first, that's not me saying I'm anti Israel at all. I have disagreements with the Israeli government personally. That's my personal stance. I've seen things in this war. For example, I'm not convinced that they want this war to end. The war that we are in in Iran and that you know goes by. 01:00:15 Speaker 3: So when JD is pursuing the MoU correct, you see some consternation and hand ringing from the Israeli government. 01:00:21 Speaker 13: Absolutely, that's what you're getting at. 01:00:22 Speaker 9: Yeah, that, Or you know last week how there was the story of the United States and Iranian negotiators were coming to meet and there was supposedly a plot to assassinate the Iranian negotiators. I don't know if that's necessarily been confirmed yet, so I'm cautious when I say that. But we have to make that differential, because I'm not seeing that differential being made. 01:00:42 Speaker 13: And I think that's why so many. 01:00:43 Speaker 9: Boomers are like, what are you guys talking about. It's because we're not necessarily talking about the people some people are, and some people are being antisemitic about it, and they're saying it's the Israelies, it's the Jews, it's all that. 01:00:54 Speaker 13: That's not the case. 01:00:55 Speaker 9: I'm specifically talking about the Israeli government, and I think it's very important we make that. 01:01:00 Speaker 3: And by the way, I just want to underscore that's my position as well, and I think it's so. 01:01:05 Speaker 2: Critically important to this discussion. And I know this mattered a lot to Charlie. 01:01:09 Speaker 3: You are not anti Semitic if you have policy difference differences with Israel, if you want to see the war end, if you want us to stop giving them federal funds every year. Right, there's basically an ongoing annuity of about four billion dollars that we send to Israel, which, yeah, in the whole scheme of the federal government is kind of a drop in the bucket. 01:01:29 Speaker 2: But it's still very symbolically important. 01:01:31 Speaker 3: You're not anti Semitic if you have questions about a lot of things, right, And I think that where this dialogue first broke down is that there was a jump by groups like the ADL and even some conservative Jewish people or allies of Israel to castigate everybody as anti Semitic that just had honest questions or had honest policy disagreements. And I just really really want to make that clear that that is not okay actually, and it's contributed to making this such a toxic conversation. Hi, folks, Andrew Colvett here, I'd like to tell you about my friends over at why Refi. You've probably been hearing me talk about y Refi for some time now. We are all in with these guys. 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Just go to yrefi dot com and tell them your friend Andrews sent you. 01:03:03 Speaker 11: This is maybe wish casting on my part, but I have seen some people online opine that they think anti Semitism is becoming more to use the slang term. 01:03:14 Speaker 12: Cringe, yes, because the people who most. 01:03:17 Speaker 11: Energetically push it are really obviously really stupid. 01:03:21 Speaker 3: Well, there's a there was actually a Babylon but I haven't seen many babilom Be headlines like that actually, but I happened to get this one sent to me because it was about Candace and it was like Candas is actually an Israeli opt to make make anti Semitism look retarded, And I was like, that's really fun, actually, And I do you talk to some of these like og anti semits from like. 01:03:42 Speaker 2: Uh, who's og? It's been going on for. 01:03:46 Speaker 3: It, right, and like yeah, in like twenty sixteen, like Trump one point zero right, and a lot of these guys kind of got washed out of this like ideology and now they're just like looking at it as kind of like low iq slock and like, are you seeing any turn of the corner in this stuff at all? 01:04:03 Speaker 9: Yet? 01:04:04 Speaker 8: You know, I think that people are starting to fade out. I think that and this is probably a scary thing that people are willing to say that Jews are all terrible people because of a Trent and now the trend's fading and they're not, which is terrified. That's that is even scarier in itself, that the trend is fading, so now people don't agree with it because these people are willing to say atrocious things just because they're sheep, just for a trend and just for sheep. But it's also on the more pro is real side, I mean, like the ideas that have been pushed forward, that saying Christ is King is anti Semitic. I mean, it's going so far on both sides, when truly in the conservative space, this is you know, Nicholas fuente Is and this is Ben Shapiro, it's probably more in the middle. 01:04:50 Speaker 4: Yeah. 01:04:50 Speaker 3: Well, and even Fuentez is calling it low IQ anti Semitism stuff, right, so anybody else? So you said, you see it kind of maybe fading a little. 01:05:00 Speaker 8: I think it's fading, but I think that it's I'm. 01:05:02 Speaker 2: Still really strong. Yeah, do you see any change. 01:05:05 Speaker 10: I've seen it in the arguments and conversations. 01:05:08 Speaker 2: I have people that it's faded. 01:05:10 Speaker 10: They've started they've started to still try to insinuate the ideas, but then they are so scared to tell me where they heard it. Because if they say, well I heard it from Candice Owan's clip, I'm like and then they're like they're like yeah, and I'm like, come on, do you have another source? 01:05:29 Speaker 14: And to like you kind of have a point? 01:05:31 Speaker 3: Well, and this is what this is where it's true, there is nuance and there should be nuance in this APAK is very influential. You know how I know that is because you have guys like Ted Cruz and others that that openly sort of say these things, and I don't, for the life of me, I don't understand, you know, why they say some of this stuff. But there's also truth on the other side that, like, you know, zero point zero two percent of the world's population can't be responsible for every single ill either, right, And so it's like, I wish we could have an adult conversation about this, but we're talking about social media and the kids. So you know, it's like the nuance is obviously lost. Do you guys see it's point? Is this wish casting or do you see it kind of like normalized. 01:06:11 Speaker 2: To see it as a symptism normalizing? 01:06:14 Speaker 3: Yeah, Like like no, I mean, because yeah, it is it getting cringe and like I. 01:06:19 Speaker 4: Think so because I think going back to the memes, I don't want to keep talking about them, but like the more brain rot it becomes the more like just typical and the silly. 01:06:30 Speaker 2: It's like they jump the shark exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, do you guys? 01:06:35 Speaker 6: A common thread of everything we've talked about on social media, whether it be Israel or anything else, is that everything we're talking about is extremely low substance. There is no actual substantive argument to any of this. It is all just a meme, a headline. There's no points to it, there's nothing to back it up. There's no evidence that applies. 01:06:55 Speaker 14: To everywhere here. 01:06:56 Speaker 6: And the thing is, if we can convince our generation that your burden, the burden of proof to convince you of something needs to be a lot higher than that. 01:07:05 Speaker 2: I totally agree. This is what we found with this whole. 01:07:08 Speaker 3: Like Charlie Kirk conspiracy stuff too, is like almost all of the allegations in the conspiracy slop have been are just completely baseless. 01:07:16 Speaker 2: There's no evidence of proof. 01:07:17 Speaker 3: And they then what they do is they put the burden of proof on you and it's like no, no, no, no, no. You came with the allegation, the burden of proof is on you crazy old posts. 01:07:26 Speaker 2: Yes, and then they'll exactly. 01:07:28 Speaker 3: So I think when I talk about we build antibodies to this, like you, as young men that are going to be steeped in this and in this space, you have to remember that there is a burden of proof. I mean, our whole justice system is based around it. You know, recklessly smearing people is a really gross thing to do, and that's basically what it sounds like the Internet's become. So I don't know how much time we have left, but we probably have to get close to wrapping up soon. But the point of politics, right, let's bring it home here. President Trump was gaining popularity. Then Epstein happened, Midnight Hammer happened, second Iran strikes happened. Lost a lot of you know, you could see it from the podcast, whether it's Joe Rogan, Theo Vaughn or whatever. Right, he lost some of this coalition that had supported what can bring it back? 01:08:14 Speaker 9: Ending this war before the midterms. I think it's quite simple. I think what frustrates Americans so much right now is the economy. I'm not content with the current stay of the economy. In polls show that the American people, specifically gen Z is not either. Now, I think if we end this war and I ran, we will see the economy trend in a positive direction immediately. I'm not saying everything will get better with the snap of a finger, but I think if President Trump goes in and ends this war before the midterms, I still think we can see success when it comes to our next next one. 01:08:45 Speaker 2: So you think it's economic, what about etein about. 01:08:49 Speaker 8: What I see with it is cultural and kind of bringing back to what you were just talking about Charlie. 01:08:56 Speaker 7: So my to give some background for me. My dad was there the day Charlie passed. 01:09:01 Speaker 8: He's the head women's soccer coach at UVU, and there were some people that we knew in the audience that were accused of killing Charlie by Candace. And so these conspiracies that are getting so far, I do think if we handle this properly, some people are going to start awakening to these conspiracies and start saying, you know what, maybe Candace is too far. 01:09:26 Speaker 7: And maybe here's the thing about Candace. 01:09:28 Speaker 8: Candace, if you're listening, last week, you're telling me that Israel did it, and this week you're telling me a random person in the audience, did where is your baseline? Where's your knowledge? And what's your story? If someone says I agree with her, who do they agree with? 01:09:44 Speaker 2: Which episode? 01:09:45 Speaker 3: Yeah? 01:09:45 Speaker 8: Which episode? Which state of mind do you agree with? And I think that we can find some rationality. And I think if we push forward common sense hopefully, And when I say common sense, I don't think the best way to go forward to say, you know what, the left is so crazy, let's go so far right. How about we break it down like Charlie did, get a little bit more common sense, and then we can hopefully defeat these people that are trying to push forward these absolutely insane rhetoric and that cultural change will change everything. Culture is the epicenter of political life. 01:10:23 Speaker 12: I want to hear from the rest of you on what can be done to reassemble the coalition. 01:10:27 Speaker 2: Even in part I think Henrick's point, I agree with a lot of that. 01:10:31 Speaker 6: I think it goes into something that Charlie really talked about, which was the renting culture. And I think that that's something that our generation, especially as we start to live on our own, that's something that we're really going to face. Right. So, the average age of home first time home ownership in America is now forty one saw that it's insane. 01:10:50 Speaker 2: It's insane. 01:10:51 Speaker 6: So we're just renting. Like I was talking to these guys earlier, like if you're renting a home and you ding a hole in the wall, you don't really care. It's not yours to deal with. It doesn't hurt your property value. 01:11:00 Speaker 12: You own a home, you want to fix that hole in your wall. 01:11:03 Speaker 8: Right. 01:11:04 Speaker 6: I think that that funnels all the way down to even voting. Right, So if you own something, if you have a family, if you have things that really matter, you are going to be incentivized to participate in your culture. Whereas if you're not, you just don't really care. 01:11:19 Speaker 5: Yeah, gen Z has a dearth of purpose. I think that's what a lot of this boils down to. We've got cultural issues, there's economic problems that are current that people see and they check out. They don't like what's happening. Of course, I think we all feel that there is a hole in so many people in their souls. I you know, for me, I am so incredibly grateful that I have faith, that I'm growing a stronger connection to God, to Jesus, that's my rock. I'm able to know who I am and know that what will happen to me will be, in the long run, a part of a greater plan, something bigger than myself. For people who don't fully commit themselves to do something greater than that, something something metaphysical, beyond what we are, I I worry about the nihilism that comes from that, because if I didn't have my faith, I would be I think, a completely different person because everything would seem meaningless. 01:12:17 Speaker 2: And there's a. 01:12:19 Speaker 5: Serious problem, I think with a lot of people still feeling like they are meaningless. And Charlie, you know, for me, he he absolutely helped me to strengthen my faith, my conviction. And for people who don't have that same sort of connection, I frankly don't. 01:12:38 Speaker 2: Know what they what, hope they have, what they can do? What do you think can be done? 01:12:45 Speaker 8: You know? 01:12:45 Speaker 14: I mean, you know, gen Z. 01:12:49 Speaker 4: I think a common threat I've seen is people feel like there's promises that were made by the administration, whether it be Trump failing to release the Epsteine files at first or the economy. I mean, I had to pay one hundred and seventy bucks to fill up my truck the other week, right like I don't think gen Z likes to see that. I shouldn't have to go a breed of twenty five bucks, right. I think gen Z's economy, I really do think it goes back to the economy and just the quality of life because we were promised a we were promised good economy. Sorry, we were promised low gas prices, low groceries, And I think if things like that start turning up, I really do think it will. 01:13:30 Speaker 3: So when we talk about that, do you think there's an understanding just basic economics with gen Z? For example, for example, you had, let's just say, for around number sike twenty five percent inflation in four years under Joe Biden. You can't turn that around and turn that off. By the way, getting prices to drop back down in some categories is probably never gonna happen. Yeah, is there a basic understanding about or when you print all this money that it actually inflated asset prices, but it makes people that don't own assets i e. Homes, equities, things like that, it makes them poorer because you know, it makes makes normal basic goods more expensive like these kind of concepts. 01:14:10 Speaker 2: Are you guys trusting gen Z knows? 01:14:13 Speaker 13: Yeah? 01:14:14 Speaker 14: I think you're getting to the point. 01:14:16 Speaker 10: And I think that the Trump administration in almost all respects are doing an incredible job and falling to a lot of promises. But the issue is in our present day age and the way the algorithm works is we're allowing the left because they they are on a twenty They are on a twenty four to seven, three hundred and sixty five days a year election cycle. They have been campaigning for twenty twenty eight, since the day after the election in twenty twenty four. What we have to do is, like any bad habit, you don't defeat it by just erasing it. You replace it. And so we need conservatives to do I think it's not what Trump can do it. How can we show people what Trump is doing currently? Because there are so many championed things that you don't see unless you're a TPUSA student and you're reading, you know, the articles and you're having the conversations with people who know what is going on and you're watching the right podcast. They don't have that, you know, students are just watching these base lists, and we know the left doesn't have the IQ to have some of these intelligent conversations. They just want to put out this slop, as we call it, the internet slop. They want you to scroll and read that rather than actually knowing the truth. And if we could put on display the incredible things that Trump is doing in gen Z language, like the the Trump accounts. 01:15:45 Speaker 14: Like those are incredible. 01:15:46 Speaker 10: Let's put those on display more in a language that gen Z can understand, and they'll see all the incredible things and it will be replaced it happens to twenty four. 01:15:56 Speaker 15: I agree, And look, let's look at this from a wide perspective. 01:16:00 Speaker 13: Under President Trump. 01:16:01 Speaker 9: You know, very low unemployment rate, stock market is doing extremely well right now, and I think the most important thing when we look into our future, economic development within the past year and a half has done exceedingly well, and that contributes towards our future. 01:16:20 Speaker 13: Now, the moment that I believe that this war is. 01:16:23 Speaker 9: Done in Iran, I think that'll have a positive impact on what I call the now economy, what we currently see. So what President Trump needs to focus on is communicating to the American people that our top priority is getting this war and Iran over with, and I think that will really help support him with the independence and a lot of the Republicans who voted for him, who are upset with some of the policies he's put in place, because. 01:16:48 Speaker 2: More specifically young men. 01:16:50 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, the key of this conversation, they think is, you know, young men were so enthusiastic. 01:16:57 Speaker 2: I'll never forget going around with Charlie in twenty twenty four, Blake, remember this and. 01:17:00 Speaker 3: To see a red hats all these young men like basically being like the other party is a bunch of weak ninnies like Kamala, what are we gonna do here? 01:17:08 Speaker 2: Beta males, and then like Trump is like masculine and strong. It's gonna come through. 01:17:12 Speaker 3: But at some point there was a disconnect, and I don't know if it was Epstein or if it was Charlie. Yeah, Charlie passing, yeah for sure at least sustaining it. But we were already talking about this with Charlie. Charlie was very keenly aware after Epstein and Midnight Hammer that there was some of the support was flagging, right, So the you know, I just it's you're saying, you're saying it's a messaging thing. You're saying, it's getting it back into the jet stream. 01:17:40 Speaker 10: When two weeks before Charlie passed I spoke to a leadership congress and my speech was about the work he did and how that has won us twenty twenty four, that won us the next generation. And at the end of that speech, I said, the entire purpose is to keep hope for a generation, to keep fighting because the cause is going on. I did not realize the work God was doing in my life at that moment, because two weeks later, when Charlie passed, it was a Downstrom effect that we started to lose this voice of unity and reason, and we spoke about it. How you know how much a leader can change a movement, And I think we need to revive how Charlie did it, Like I think we're fighting this fight within turning point and it's just something we're having to learn as chapter leaders. How do we be like Charlie in our community? How did he lose these things? And I think it's not following the clips of you know, Charlie owning these very very ignorant people. It's where he has the genuine conversations with the transgender student who is struggling with their identity and the person who's struggling with understanding why we're mistreating immigrants and the genuinely misinformed people who he just educated and had these important conversations. That's that's the movement, and that's why so many young men and young women followed him was because he made you feel like you knew what was going on and. 01:19:24 Speaker 2: He had an authority with his voice too. People. 01:19:26 Speaker 3: So the white pillar for me here listening to you guys, is that there is so much green space here for people to speak the truth. Yes, to tell the truth to a generation that's getting lied to so much now that the how is a really interesting and it's a really interesting challenge. 01:19:44 Speaker 2: I'm being told we need to wrap up. I have one last question for you, just curious as we look to twenty twenty eight. You guys are conservative young men. 01:19:55 Speaker 3: Is there somebody that you're thinking that you would like to run for president in twenty twenty eight. 01:20:00 Speaker 2: There's no right or wrong answer. I'm not trying to dance or Rubio Okay, fans or Rubio fans or Rubio. 01:20:09 Speaker 13: Actually there's a lot of time, but i'd say right now, Marco. 01:20:12 Speaker 14: Yeah, I feel like Ruby's leading, but I can see Vance taking. 01:20:15 Speaker 8: It as well. Yeah, No, I think I don't know if that's in the time now, but I would say Rubio more realistic. 01:20:21 Speaker 2: Interesting, Well that went slightly different than I anticipated. 01:20:26 Speaker 3: Do you feel like that's amongst your chapters, Like it's a discussion, it's a discussion. 01:20:33 Speaker 4: Well, I've had a couple of conversations with people about that, just between the two of them, Like, they're both really strong candidates, and so people we've just gone back. 01:20:39 Speaker 3: And forth, so like kind of like a fifty to fifty what you say, yea and like, but it's it's safe to say it's not negative on one or no, it's. 01:20:48 Speaker 5: Like it because they're both positively both strong figures, strong candidates, strong leaders. 01:20:52 Speaker 4: Anyone. 01:20:53 Speaker 6: Anyone who wants Rubio would be fine with Fancy anyone who wants. 01:20:56 Speaker 14: I agree, Yeah, it's more about tone. 01:20:59 Speaker 10: I think that somebody was explaining to me that they really like kind of a common sense tone that Marco brings to it. And then other people tell me they love how JD can get fired up and he can you know, just own someone. 01:21:11 Speaker 2: He's really good. 01:21:12 Speaker 3: They're both really good actually, but JD has really impressed me with his going into enemy territory. 01:21:19 Speaker 11: Yeah, all quality meme templates. 01:21:23 Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly. 01:21:25 Speaker 6: I love. 01:21:31 Speaker 13: Every day j D. 01:21:32 Speaker 9: JD is still young, and and the reason I said Marco as of right now is because JD can do great things in our Senate. JD can connect to gen Z very well, and I think he may even be able to do more positive work on the outside than in the inside because gen Z respects JD vance so much. And I think Marco I think he's even keeled. I think he's very professional. But to be honest, I think we're all content with whether it's j D or Rubio. I think they're too great candidate. 01:22:01 Speaker 2: What if it was j D and Marco. I'm just. 01:22:07 Speaker 6: Optimistic looking at us where we have a great slate of candidates, and then looking at the Democrats. 01:22:13 Speaker 14: Were campaign, I think. 01:22:20 Speaker 3: This is a great way to end it because the future is bright. Charlie always believed in that, as Blake said, he did not believe. 01:22:26 Speaker 2: In black pilling. 01:22:26 Speaker 3: That was our one rule on the show, no black pilling ever. And you know, and I will say that JD has just been phenomenal honoring Charlie. 01:22:37 Speaker 2: I really respect the heck. 01:22:38 Speaker 10: Out of him for that. 01:22:39 Speaker 3: Yeah, anyways, guys, this was really fantastic stuff. You have to get the band back together next year at CLS. 01:22:47 Speaker 8: This is I love it. 01:22:48 Speaker 3: I love it. 01:22:49 Speaker 2: Let's do it all right, guys. Talk to you guys soon. 01:22:55 Speaker 4: For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to Charliekirk dot com