Down with the SPLC + The Greatness of Justice Alito

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We will have a moment to give you everything about the SPLC, but first I just have to tell you and give a shout out to our teams. We had two massive events on the turning point side last night, pack crowds at both the Ohio State University. I got lectured about the the Danny is somewhere out there clapping that I said it right the Ohio State University. And then we also had a pastor some of our largest ever in Grapevine. So let's give it SAT two here. 00:02:16 Speaker 2: And plus Turning Point USA drawing a pack crowd at Ohio State yesterday. 00:02:22 Speaker 4: If we could. 00:02:23 Speaker 5: Get every young person when they turn eighteen to be informed and engage in our politics, whether or not you agree with me at showing up at the ballot box, that's a good thing and we want to bring that to our country. 00:02:33 Speaker 3: Yeah, massive, massive event that was the the Ohio State with a vic who's obviously running for governor in Ohio. And then again the Pastor Summit down in grape Vine, Texas. And Laurence Jones, who was the commentator right there, actually was one of the gentlemen on stage, so I want to give him a little shout there. But without further ado, we are going to bring in Tyler O'Neil. He's senior editor for the Daily Signal and he's also the author of a book about the SBLC called Make Hate Pay. Tyler, welcome back to the show. It's good to see you, my friend. 00:03:04 Speaker 6: Hey, thanks again so much for having me. 00:03:06 Speaker 3: All Right, So Blake Prime the pump, give us the content now and now can you get. 00:03:11 Speaker 4: For those who didn't hear about this. So the SPLC is the Southern Poverty Law Center. 00:03:15 Speaker 2: They've been this. 00:03:17 Speaker 4: Kind of goblin on the left for a long time. They were especially prominent in President Trump's first term. There guys that they adopt is Oh, they're they're policing hate in America. They monitor hate groups across America. They run this site called hate Watch. They've been doing it for decades. And what people noticed a while ago and it became glaring in the first Trump administration is they are a far left group and what they exist to do is to label the right as extremists and to say that all the extremism in America is on the right, and that hate groups are always on the rise. They're always warning the Klan is coming back, Nazis are coming back, killer motorcycle gangs are coming back. And so they exist to freak people out about that, to get money, and when they exist to smear people like Charlie as an example as one of those hate figures. 00:04:06 Speaker 2: I mean, let's be honest as well. 00:04:08 Speaker 3: It is I don't think a stretch to say, and I'll let Tyler agree or disagree with me. It is not a stretch to say that they legitimately hate white people. 00:04:16 Speaker 4: SBOC is they are America's top white They are America's top hate group in my opinion. But what we got last night that's incredible and is good news is the SPLC, according to the federal government in an indictment, they were during that period of the first Trump administration, spending literally millions of dollars on informants within the far right groups that they claimed to be monitoring and policing against, including in some cases they were paying the leaders of these groups. In one case, they were paying tens of thousands of dollars to somebody. At the same time, they had a page of him on their hate Watch page saying, this is an extremist that we're fighting against. Please give us money to fight against him, when they were paying him. And so now the federal government has dropped wire fraud charger or not dropped, has brought wire fraud charges against the SPLC, And I think, whether these charges are successful or not, it's a great opportunity to expose how the organization really works. And I think we're going to find a lot of dirty laundry. As our guest Tyler is aware of, there's a lot to find. 00:05:21 Speaker 2: Tyler, that Flora's yours. 00:05:22 Speaker 3: You wrote the book Making Hate Pay, and now we know it's way more insidious and sinister than we knew before. 00:05:32 Speaker 6: Yeah, well, we've long expected, we've long suspected that something like this was going on, but we didn't fully know the details of this informant network. And you got to love when the SPLC does damage control by coming out and making known this clandestine informant program that they've been hiding for decades. But you know, the SPLC, my book title says the corruption of the Southern Poverty Law Center because what they do, their stock in trade is to exaggerate hate. They've cultivated this huge network of donors because the SPLC sued Ku Klux Klan groups into non existence, into bankruptcy in the nineteen eighties, and they've taken that you know, platform and weaponized it to smear conservative groups. And of course, you know, Charlie is exhibit A really after the horrible thing, you know, after the assassination attempt, but he wasn't the first one to face violence after the SPLC added him to the hate map. They also added the Family Research Council that led to a mass shooting in twenty twelve, and thankfully that shooting was largely prevented, but the guy who shot up the Family Research Council told the FBI he did so because of the SPLC map. So the SPLC has this system where they put up this hate map with Clan Chapter and other white nationalists and evil groups that they say are you know, they call this the infrastructure of white supremacy in America. And this map has gotten ever more insane as I've been covering it. So they used to just have the Family Research Council. Then they added Alliance Defending Freedom. They have immigration groups like the Federation on American Immigration Reform, groups that warn't against radical Islam, like the Center for Security Policy and the David Horowitz Freedom Center, and then they started adding So first they started with some of those groups. Then in twenty twenty three they added Moms for Liberty to the hate map, and in twenty twenty five they went you know, that was when they went way off the deep end, putting Turning Point on there, putting Praeger you on there. I mean, this group creates YouTube videos to inform the public, and now they're on a map with chapters of the ku Kluck Plan. That's how insane this has gotten. But the reason it's gotten so bad is partially because the SPLC has this extremely high demand for hate. They have this big donor base that thinks the SPLC is the number one source for hate, and so we have to fund them because otherwise the hate is going to proliferate. Well, the SPLC has long worked to increase the supply of hate to match that demand. 00:08:27 Speaker 2: It now it's funding it. Yeah, exactly. 00:08:32 Speaker 3: I want to underscore this point the SBLC. Check this graphic out. This is the hate grift in one image. And we're taking this from our friends over at Fox. But in October of twenty sixteen, pre Charlottesville, their revenue was fifty one million, eight hundred and seventy one thousand dollars, fifty one million after Charlottesville, one hundred and thirty three million dollars and eighty one one million dollar increase almost eighty two million dollar increase from Charlottesville. Which that now we find out that one of the leaders in the Charlottesville Unite the Right rally was paid two hundred and seventy thousand dollars by the SPLC. So just so you see that that the ROI on that two hundred and seventy thousand dollars is pretty extreme. I mean, if you were Nancy Pelosi, you would be impressed by those returns. 00:09:24 Speaker 2: That's how this works. That's the image right there. 00:09:27 Speaker 1: They're literally putting high school chapters of ours on a hate group next to the KKK and next to neo Nazi groups. And I mean, we can laugh us off. There's an element to this. Remember that there was a shooter that went to the Family Research Council years ago inspired by THESPLC list. But they can't debate us on our ideas. They cannot have dialogue, they cannot actually go onto the merits of why they are right or why we might be wrong. Instead, they must smear us with the age old one liner that you are a racist or that you are a hater. And they're finally realizing the power of Turning Point USA, which is why they put us. 00:10:02 Speaker 3: It was Charlie on lord Ingram's show right after Turning Point was put on the hate map, the so called hate map, which was just a giant griff. We're here at the back at the y REFI studio here in Phoenix, Arizona, with Tyler O'Neill, senior editor of The Daily Signal and the author of Making Hate Pay, which is man that aged like fine wine here, Tyler. So congratulations on that. You might have to update the book and you know, give a second edition or something here with these new revelations. So again, this is what's wild about it. 00:10:36 Speaker 2: Though. 00:10:37 Speaker 3: The SBLC after Charlottesville has this huge boon. It's some of the main funders that are being mentioned were George and Amal Clooney, Tim Cook, Tim. 00:10:45 Speaker 2: Apple, MGM Google. I mean, this is as mainstream as it gets. Your tho, No, it was. 00:10:54 Speaker 6: I mean Charlottesville is exhibit a of the graft here because we we often forget, you know, in the months leading up to Charlottesville, the SPLC had a different hate map. They had a Confederate monument map that they put up on their website, and they had on this map, I kick you not, they say these monuments are causing turmoil and bloodshed. And on that map they didn't just include, you know, statues of Roberty Lee, which we can all debate about, like I could understand people being frustrated a little bit. And then there's some statues where they actually the statue actually said white supremacy. As far as I'm concerned. Yeah, get rid of that statue. Roberty Lee represents a lot more than that, and you know he was a noble Anyway, we don't need to get into we don't need to relitigate that issue. But the SPLC put on this Confederate hate map. They put middle schools, high schools, elementary schools, they put military bases. And I get that you don't like these things being named after Confederates. It's one thing to say that, it's another thing to have a hate map that's scary, that says oil and bloodshed and then is directing people. And in the midst of this, you had a lot of people going to monuments and knocking them over. 00:12:12 Speaker 2: Well, this is the early days, is the point. Yeah. 00:12:15 Speaker 3: To the extent that this work product by the SBOC is influential, it's hard to overstate it, right because look at I'm going to show you a clip of Joe Biden talking about why he decided to run for presidenttnaight. 00:12:30 Speaker 7: When. 00:12:33 Speaker 8: I spoke to the mom who lost her daughter. It's a consequence of those neo Nazis and race white supremacists come out and fields in America with torches carrying Nazi banners singing the same sick anti Semitic bile was sung in Germany in the thirties, and when her daughter was killed, they fresh went to the then President Trump and said, what do you think? He said, they're very fine people on both sides. I knew then, I knew i'd do something. That's how I decided to run. 00:13:08 Speaker 3: Okay, so that's just one clip here. So he says he decides to run because of Charlottesville. You mentioned that they were tearing down all these statues in part because of the sblc's map. Since we're starting to see the work product here, remember this from the inaugural address top ten. 00:13:25 Speaker 9: A cry for survival comes from planet itself, a cry that can't be any more desperate or any more clear. And now a rise of political extremism, white supremacy, domestic terrorism that we must confront and we will defeat. 00:13:44 Speaker 2: So you have to ask the question. 00:13:46 Speaker 3: Obviously this is coming after January sixth, right, so at white supremacy, this is the line domestic extremism. Now you have to ask the question. When Chris Ray says there's no you know, FBI informancy does this, he can sort of technically say that because hey, guess what, they might have outsourced the informants that were in the crowd that day. 00:14:08 Speaker 2: Do we know anything about that, Tyler. 00:14:10 Speaker 6: That has not yet been confirmed, but I highly suspect that there might be a connection there. 00:14:17 Speaker 10: I think it is. 00:14:19 Speaker 6: We can't go enough on this issue because Biden repeated it over and over again, the left used it. And by the way, you know, right after Biden got inaugurated, according to the SPLC, at least and now we have documents backing this up, many different agencies in the Biden administration went to the SPLC asking for advice on how to combat the domestic terrorism threat. So the SPLC was funding and then directing the social media posts of and then helping this guy bring people to Charlottesville on one side. We talk about very fine people on both sides, which is twisting. 00:14:59 Speaker 2: Trump's words out of co Yeah, it's a total. 00:15:01 Speaker 6: Only one of the sides there at Charlottesville was funded by the SPLC, and that's not the one that they claim to be on the side of. 00:15:09 Speaker 3: Well and Tyler, I mentioned earlier that the SBLC is absolutely brazenly not even this is not even a question. They are anti white, So when they talk about domestic violence, domestic violence extremism, that is anti white. That is their code for we don't like white people, and we and I can prove it to you. This is a flashback to Mark Potok who had a in the in an interview, had a handwritten sort of poster on his wall, just a post documenting the decline, celebrating the decline of the white population in the United States. Look at that thing. That that's a a man who is celebrating, who is eager about the coming uh, you know, minority majority of white America. Now, that is racism. That is racism right there. Okay, go ahead, ty, I don't mean to cut you off. 00:16:08 Speaker 6: Yeah, Well, they didn't hide like the left is long said. Remember that emerging the new emerging majority they called it, where they said that because of Obama's victory in two thousand and eight, suddenly there's going to be this coalition of the ascendant that's always going to keep America in the thrall of the Democratic Party. And meanwhile, if you say that they're importing people from foreign countries, if you're having a lot of illegal aliens, if you say, you know what, Biden essentially admitted by opening the border in twenty twenty one. If you say that they're trying to replace people, you're somehow branded a racist. 00:16:45 Speaker 2: No, No, I'm sorry, I'm concerned. 00:16:48 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're an anti Semitic conspiracy replacement theorist right and they have to stress together to you. 00:16:57 Speaker 7: Yeah. 00:16:57 Speaker 6: The SPLC has been leading that charge in condemning people for this for forever. And it's like, no, I know a lot of people who want to enforce immigration law, who want to make sure that every person who comes here comes here legally for reasons that are honoring our country that have nothing to do with race, frankly, But the way that the left has been pushing this constant like oh, minorities should take over will have infinite power. I think that has been exacerbating and part of what we saw with ESPLC is exacerbating racial you know, racial divisions in the country. 00:17:34 Speaker 2: It was always by design. 00:17:35 Speaker 3: Tyler O'Neill, senior editor of The Daily Signal and author of the book Making Hate Pay. For a lot of Americans, the healthcare system is reactive. You get sick first, and then you wait for an appointment. Then insurance decides what you're allowed to have and suddenly the medication you need is delayed or it's not available. That is where All Family Pharmacy is different. This is not a typical pharmacy. It's family owned. I know these guys. They're great guys, works with license doctors, and is built around a simple idea. That's the idea that you should have the freedom to make informed choices about your own health and the ability to prepare ahead of time so you're not reactive anymore. 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She's one of my faves, and she's got a new book out called Alito, and the subtitles really good. The justice who reshaped the Supreme Court and restored the Constitution. So much to get into with Molly. Welcome back to the show. 00:19:21 Speaker 11: It's great to be here with you guys. 00:19:23 Speaker 3: Well, congratulations on your book. I want to get into what happened to Virginia in the second half of this interview. But tell us why this book, why Alito, and why now? 00:19:33 Speaker 12: Well, I'd previously co authored with Carrie Severino, a book on Cavanaugh, and when we wrote that, we interviewed a ton of high level people and they were all saying, you know, there's this giant on the court and nobody ever talks about him, Alito. 00:19:46 Speaker 11: And they don't talk about him. 00:19:47 Speaker 12: Because he just quietly gets his work done and returns to his suburban home. 00:19:52 Speaker 11: He does not seek celebrity. 00:19:53 Speaker 12: He's not flashy, but he's been on the court now for twenty years and he's the one who has delivered some of the these major landmark opinions, most notably the Dobbs decision that overturned Rob Wade, which was an issue that the conservative legal movement had worked on for fifty years. And he has this really interesting approach to originalism that is less theoretical or philosophical than some of his colleagues like Scalia or Thomas, and very practical. And when we're at a moment where people are either saying you have to be super principled and who cares about the effect of those principles, or we don't care about principles, we just. 00:20:33 Speaker 11: Want to win. 00:20:34 Speaker 12: Alito embodies this blend. He's very principled and he thinks about how to strategize toward a win. He's very prudential in how he approaches things, and I think that's something that the entire country could learn from. 00:20:49 Speaker 4: It's all very good and it is appreciated. I think ever since Scalia died, there was a lot of attention on Thomas. We have a Clarence Thomas photo behind you. I think all of us, like Tom a lot. He's definitely has that approach of he's often the only guy on the court who will say, we, actually, we should throw out this thing that's one hundred and fifty years old because it's not in the constitution. But as you say, Alito is the one who authored some of the decisions that we wanted most. He's the one who actually Dobbs had delivered it. I want to ask about something that really caught my attention. You were talking about this with Mark Halpern on his show just the other day, and it was specifically about the Dobs case, which we've never fully resolved. Who leaked that decision, as you might remember that it was leaked before it came out. We're not sure who did it, what their motive was. I know you have your own theories about it, but you also mentioned something that really caught my attention, which was, and Halpern was theorizing about this that when it dropped, one of the possible motives was they were trying to frankly, spark violence against justices because if one of those justices were killed or died, the ruling would be canceled. You can't rule if they hadn't come out yet they'd have to cancel the ruling basically because you wouldn't have the majority anymore, and that there was this incident where they were the justices on the conservative side, we're asking, can we get this ruling out so that this sort of damicalles isn't hanging us over anymore. And you said one of the liberal justices was on board with it, but another justice was not, and that seemed very interesting. Could you relay that story for our audience? 00:22:22 Speaker 12: Yes, well, to write Alito, I interviewed nearly one hundred people, which means I have a lot of great stories from what was happening on the court or near the court. And after the Dobs decision was leaked, you remember this, people's lives were immediately threatened. The justices had to wear bulletproof vests, they had to go to secure locations. Left wing groups had published their home addresses where they lived, in some cases with spouse and children like young children, and people were swarming these places trying to commit violence or otherwise threaten the justices into changing their mind. That is a violation of federal law, by the way, and Merret Garland wasn't doing anything. The media were flat out celebrating. But when the justices met in conference, they were shocked to learn that the liberal justices said they were nowhere near having their descent done. So usually to issue an opinion, you have the opinion, but you also have the discent. They said, oh, we were not done. So some of the justices were like, hey, we're out here dealing with left wing violence and attacks. 00:23:28 Speaker 11: Could you wrap it up? 00:23:29 Speaker 12: And they said, oh, you know, well, first off, as you alluded to Justice Bryer, who's a solid liberal on the court, but was a solid liberal he left. He was a gentleman, he was beloved by his colleagues. He seemed the most amenable to trying to hurry things. And then, according to my sources, Justice Elena Kagan went to his chambers and screamed at him not to accommodate the conservative justices. And this is matched by what happened, which is, even though they'd had many, many men months to work on this, they said they couldn't possibly get their descent done until June. And then once the descent was filed, they included in it a footnote to another case that was nowhere near being done yet, knowing that that would further delay the release. So there's a pattern here of behavior among the left wing justices, including what we've seen this term, where they're slow walking a decision that they think will hurt the Democrat Party. 00:24:27 Speaker 11: But I mean, I think this is. 00:24:29 Speaker 12: Like explosive stuff, and being able to get in there and tell some of this, some of these behind the scenes stories, I think is illuminating and very different from what left wing media would tell you about what's happening on the court. 00:24:41 Speaker 3: Man, that is a really damning picture of Alena Kagan. I mean, that is really So who do you think leaked the Dobbs decision? 00:24:50 Speaker 2: Do we do? You your theory of it? 00:24:53 Speaker 12: So unlike Mark Halprin, I do not think it was one of the justices, And everyone I spoke with, you know, they might have different theories. Nobody thinks is a justice. They view that as too reckless. And it was Helpern's theory that it was in fact, Alena Kagan. He said, she's the most political. She has the closest relationship with the reporter who wrote the piece. He was saying, so, but I think most people think it's a clerk. It had to be someone who had access to the documents in question that year. It's a fairly small universe of people. There are some clerks who were, you know, highlighted in the press as having some particularly strident viewpoints related to abortion and relationships with ordering question. But I don't think we'll know until that person admits it. We won't know for sure until that person admits it, or unless that person admits it. Because the investigation that was done was kind of a joke. 00:25:48 Speaker 3: Well, and I would it sort of would follow. Maybe it was a clerk for Kagan. I mean, you know, if there was already an existing relationship there with the reporter, it kind of makes a lot of sense to me. 00:26:00 Speaker 2: I've heard her name. 00:26:01 Speaker 4: Do you think it would be possible? Maybe she did not personally do anything, but she strongly signaled she wouldn't mind if it happened. I guess I don't know what range of actions as possible here. 00:26:13 Speaker 12: I just would first off, I'll say, you know, there were three justices on the LA Well, there were four justices who did not want to overturn Row, and that would be Chief Justice Roberts, and then the three liberals Sodami, oor Keg, and Bryer, And so they all had hired clerks knowing that the big case of the term would be overturning Row. So they were hiring some of the most strident people, and I would say probably, you know, they were the ones who stood to benefit from the leak those chambers did either. I don't think they actually wished death upon their colleagues. I think they were hoping that they could peel Kavanaugh or maybe one of the other justices away from overturning Row. 00:26:56 Speaker 11: There were already reports about. 00:26:58 Speaker 12: This in the New York Times at Brier and Roberts for trying to do that, so that seems the more likely scenario. 00:27:04 Speaker 2: But I do it. 00:27:06 Speaker 12: It's hard to do a conspiracy with multiple people, but certainly the climate of the left was do whatever it takes to preserve this so called right to end the lives of Unmorrish. 00:27:17 Speaker 2: I tend to agree with you. It's probably a delay tack to see if you. 00:27:20 Speaker 3: Could pull and peel one of the conservative justices away, but it's still a very interesting theory. 00:27:26 Speaker 2: Mollie Alito's name has. 00:27:27 Speaker 3: Been brought up a lot with Clarence Thomas about whether or not they're going to retire. Right we have fifty three Senators, This would be probably an ideal time, given that the midterms are uncertain at best. 00:27:41 Speaker 2: What do you make of that? 00:27:42 Speaker 3: Do you think there's any chance that either of those justices would step down? 00:27:45 Speaker 12: Well, I've long been saying I don't think Alito is going to step down at the end of this term. Technically I don't know, but there was a reporting last week that said his chambers or his world is kind of getting the word out that he does not intend to retire. Toms Is, you know, openly and long said I'm going out feet first. So if you believe that, then it's not either of them. I do think, though, that people spend way too much time focusing on these two and they should not wish either of them to leave the Court because they are far and away the most solid, consistent originalists on the court, you know, constitutionalists on the court. 00:28:22 Speaker 11: But there is a third justice who is also in his seventies. 00:28:25 Speaker 12: Who has served even longer than Justice Alito, and that's Chief Justice John Roberts. 00:28:31 Speaker 11: So I would say, if you're. 00:28:33 Speaker 12: Trying to pressure, why not go for him? And also I wouldn't be shocked if he stepped down. 00:28:39 Speaker 2: Mollie, I think that's a really fascinating. 00:28:41 Speaker 3: I mean, I think we'd all be totally okay if John Roberts stepped down, if he did us as solid and did it sooner than later, I'd be okay with that as well. I'd be curious two names that you would like to see replace any of the justices should they step down. 00:28:57 Speaker 12: Oh, that's one thing that people have a lot that is going for good justices. I think Judge Katsis on the DC circuit is incredible. 00:29:06 Speaker 11: I think Amaltha parr Andy Oldham, Naomi Row. 00:29:10 Speaker 12: I mean, there are a lot of really good judges who would be who would be great for this slot. 00:29:15 Speaker 3: Now I'm going to investigate all of those names you just mentioned. 00:29:19 Speaker 2: Virginia. 00:29:20 Speaker 3: What is the explanation that you're hearing around the Beltway for why we spend one hundred and it's probably going to be like one hundred and fifty million dollars on the corn and race to beat a conservative Republican in a primary when we can't get investments in a Virginia, you know, election that determines for House seats. What are you hearing people say? 00:29:40 Speaker 11: I have no explanation. 00:29:42 Speaker 12: It's long been known that the Virginia Republican Party could use a lot of assistance. But this was a national issue. This effects who controls the House of Representatives, and still you didn't see much national interest. There was almost no money going into this. There wasn't the type of ballot chase operation that you need to have in order to actually get the ballots in the box that are gonna that are gonna matter. 00:30:05 Speaker 11: And this was truly a winnable situation. We were, I live. 00:30:10 Speaker 12: In Virginia, deluged with ads and money from the left to try to pass this and it only passed with like one percent. 00:30:18 Speaker 2: And ninety thousand votes. Yeah. 00:30:20 Speaker 12: Yeah, so it could have been winnable, and I honestly, it's so frustrating. 00:30:25 Speaker 11: I don't even know what to say about it. 00:30:26 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:30:27 Speaker 3: Well, and I have stories about this too, Molly. I mean, there was a whole plan that we put together for groups that you would know the names of, and nobody wanted to fund it it. Yeah, and people people think that we're like made of money or something like. On the turning points no turnpoint action C four, it's way harder to raise money there and we already have like huge chemistylsee. 00:30:47 Speaker 4: Who we just profiled one of a million groups and they have ten times as much moneys exager. 00:30:52 Speaker 2: It's really depressing. Molly. 00:30:53 Speaker 3: Congratulations on the new book though, and Alito check it out today. Everybody get yourself a copy. Molly Hemming was great. Thanks all right, Blake. We lose a very winnable race in Virginia. We got outspent, but we only lost by eighty to ninety thousand. To put it in perspective, the no which is what we were in favor of. We wanted to know to keep the the old maps, which is a six' five. Map they got. It got more votes than win Some seers for governor last. Cycle so that's that shows kind of that Winsome seers was a weak, candidate but it also shows that. 00:31:28 Speaker 2: Peace, yeah it was so. 00:31:30 Speaker 3: Winnable, uh every single county except for, like Uh fairfax in the north and maybe one OTHER i, FORGET i went more. Right if you look at the, MAP i think we have the image here you can you can visually see that the entire state Of virginia voted more more to the right on this except for very small little sections of Northern. Virginia and then there was one other county there But, blake what what do you make of? 00:31:57 Speaker 2: This and what are the? TAKEAWAYS i mean the big. 00:32:00 Speaker 4: Takeaways first of, ALL i feel Like i've lived through this four or five times now Where virginia has been written off and then we end up losing a pretty important race very. Narrowly so it, HAPPENED i THINK i, REMEMBER i think k Was Ken, COUCHINELLE i was over a decade, ago written, off, underfunded loses by a tiny, margin and it's happened. Repeatedly this is the state we have been competitive in when we have decided to be competitive in, it and then other times they just totally write it. Off and it's very. Upsetting it's very upsetting that this race wasn't taken super. Seriously this was Five house races that were effectively up for grabs in a close. Race AND i can't help but wonder If republicans IN dc liked the idea of not contesting. THIS i think remember the whole push to redraw some of The house seats in other, states In, texas In. FLORIDA i think it was pushed. Along it was pushed along By President. TRUMP i think maybe some of them IN dc liked the idea of him getting egg on his face by losing this one and, saying, see we told you. So when this is a lot more extreme than anything they did In texas Or. Florida it's a much more radical mutation of the. Map it's a much more aggressive grab in terms of what share of seats they're giving. Themselves and we've seen them do this. Before they kind of like the idea of leaving the party hanging in the. Wind and as you, said we had a, plan people weren't ready to fight, it and we lost this close. 00:33:34 Speaker 3: Race, yeah it's really frustrating as well when you consider that one hundred million dollars was spent to Defeat Ken paxton. Unsuccessfully, okay Maybe cornyn got a few more votes Than ken pax but Now Ken paxton's you, know surging in the. Polls it's probably gonna win that that primary race For senate In. Texas and that's are on our, crime that's r on our. Violence you're spending one hundred million dollars in A Texas senate primary in a deep bread state that's still a deep read state Where ken has by the, way been a supporter of the, president is totally on board WITH maga and has proven that he can win statewide. Races but no one hundred million dollars gets dumped in To. Texas and by the, way here's the dirty little. Secret when you pour money into these big ad bys in a state Like, texas guess who's getting. Paid the media, consultants the media. Buyers they're taking a big chunk right off the. Top so they love ad. Bys they love ad. Bys, Meanwhile virginia gets twenty, million twenty million dollars AND i think The democrats what spent like sixty seventy million dollars on this. 00:34:32 Speaker 4: And they love ad, bys which you can look at the numbers and a lot of ads don't have a big. Impact you can spend a ton of money to move, things not a. Lot and, yeah as you, say they don't like nearly as much the distributed, idea like What Turning point action does of get lots of get out the vote people on the, ground how people who know their neighbors are interacting with. Them that doesn't go through the same consultant apparatus as everything. Else it's a different model of. Politics AND i will tell you that we you Know tyler would would tell the. Story i'll let him tell it because he was more directly. Involved he put together a whole group of people that are based In, virginia that are based IN dc conservative, groups and put a proposal together to train those groups to deploy our ballot chase efforts the way we do it and the time frame it would. Take and there was a big proposal put forward and it was turned down and people didn't want to fund. It so it is what it, is you, know it's you, know until our side invests the same amount of money and enthusiasm in gootv in canvassing and voter, relationships voter reg as it does it with consultants and media, buyers we're going to continue to come up just short and the country's going to really be damaged as a. 00:35:49 Speaker 3: Result that's just the bottom. Line we have to be demanding more ballot, chase more, canvassing because, yeah you got to have the media, Spend you got to have the air war and the ground. War they have to come to get other in the, medium in the, middle because, listen you can't do one or the. Other and by the, way if you're gonna continually get outspent when you're sitting on mountains of, cash which if you kind of tally it, together all these packs and all these these groups on the, right we have a lot of cash right, now and you can, say, oh we're keeping our powder drive for the. 00:36:16 Speaker 2: Midterms you just lost four house. Seats you lost. 00:36:19 Speaker 4: Five house, seats lost five house. Seats and also like if they're outspending it on other things and we don't see that being, spent now is the time you do. It every race that goes, badly you have the people who realize something's wrong two weeks out and they come in and say where can we spend the. Money and As charlie could tell, you you spend it, Now you spend it. Early you can't deploy new ballot chasers in the second half Of. October you have them out there meeting, people laying the groundwork. Now in, fact we've been doing it for months for the races that we're involved. In, yeah that's why you win these. 00:36:50 Speaker 3: Things there's an estimated just so people are aware, now ballot chasing is not a silver. Bullet you can bring the dog food and the dog won't eat the. Food Kamala harris's canvassing organizations ran into that because nobody wanted to vote for. It so it is a both And but in this, instance there was a really, viable worthwhile cause to get, behind and people would Have and there was five hundred thousand low Propensity republicans across. 00:37:12 Speaker 2: The state Of virginia that we could have. 00:37:14 Speaker 3: Chased five hundred. Thousand we just would have needed about eighty ninety thousand of. 00:37:18 Speaker 2: THEM i want to talk. 00:37:21 Speaker 3: To you about an issue so Many americans, face and that's health. Insurance there's an ORGANIZATION i really really appreciate Called Christian Healthcare MINISTRIES chm is a faith based alternative to health. Insurance and this is real, Stuff folks like you gotta listen. In WITH, chm you're not paying into a company's profit. Margin you're investing in a community with less overhead than the. Competition you get reliable support through the giving and prayer of fellow. 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Charlie ten missing science tips with access to classified, stuff nuclear, material. 00:38:41 Speaker 2: Aerospace they've all gone missing or turned up dead in the last couple of. 00:38:44 Speaker 1: Months, WELL i hope it's, random but we're going to know in the next week and a. 00:38:49 Speaker 7: HALF i just left the meeting on that. 00:38:50 Speaker 5: Subject so, yeah pretty serious, stuff but we're going to be, enough. 00:38:54 Speaker 7: HOPEFULLY i don't, know, coincidence if you whatever you want to call, it but some of them would very important to, people and we're going to look at it over the next all. 00:39:04 Speaker 3: Right so this story has been really getting people people's attention because it is seemingly very. Concerning here to help us unpack that, Is House Oversight Chairman Representative James comer from The Great state Of. Kentucky he And Eric Burlison Representive burlson are leading the charge to get answers. Here welcome back. 00:39:24 Speaker 2: To the, show. 00:39:24 Speaker 7: Sir thanks for having me. 00:39:26 Speaker 2: On so of course it's great to have you back. On it's been too. 00:39:29 Speaker 3: LONG i will, Say, congressman you were originally skeptical about. This you thought it was kind of a crazy conspiracy online, thing and then you looked into, it and then now you're sending letters to a lot of agencies at the federal government looking for more. Details what can you tell us about? 00:39:47 Speaker 7: This, well when it's first described to, you if you haven't studied, it you, think, oh that's not. Possible if that had been, happened we would have learned about it by. Now but what happened is there was such a space of nearly three, years you, know something happened about every three months or, whatever and you're up to ten either missing or, deceased all connected with our nuclear, program all very important scientists and people that contribute to the intellectual property of our superior nuclear, program which is the envy of the. World and then you, think, WELL i wonder what the government's been doing about. It AND i could tell you just in the week since we started requesting information and announcing our. Investigation i'm pretty confident that the government really wasn't even aware that this was. Happening i'm almost positive THE fdi wasn't. Aware now some of the AGENCY'S nasa And department Of energy will say they've been looking into. It, well they don't even have a formal team of investigators to look into something like, This so we're concerned that this has just now become realized by our investigative, authorities and specifically THE. Fbi we feel that we can play a role in this investigation because WHAT i found is chairman of The Oversight committee over the last three years spanning two, administrations is a lot of these government agencies never share information with each. Other so we're trying to get all that information in FROM, nasha from The department Of, energy from THE, fbi from The department Of war to see if there are some obvious missing links that we can piece this together and try to find a. 00:41:25 Speaker 4: Solution So, congressman do you want to lay out what you think is the most alarming or the most interesting. Connection Because i'm a little more skeptical compared to a lot of, People i've been looking at the specific, cases AND i Guess i'm not quite sold. YET i, know as you, said there's the line they're all connected to the nuclear, program BUT i feel like that's if it's, true it's only true in the most broad based. Way LIKE i, know one of these eleven he was he worked At, novardes a pharmacy company that's not super nuclear. Related another is not a. Scientist she's. Missing it's an interesting, case but she was an administrative assistant At Los, alamos and her family says she didn't have access to classified. Information so give us the give us the strong case for there being something, here and it's not people sort of finding patterns where they don't necessarily. Exist, WELL i hope. 00:42:17 Speaker 7: There's nothing sinister. HERE i just don't believe the odds are good enough to have the level of confidence that this is. Unrelated and if you look at what the way that our adversaries, operate let's say this is one of the usual. Suspects you always have to Suspect, China, Russia, Iran North korea of any type of. Visius but when anytime there's a major cyber, breach it's always some small country that most people would have a hard time identifying on the. Map so you, know there are lots of countries that would love to have our intellectual. Property there are lots of countries that would love to do things to lead us to think that there's something sinister, there and people are trying to get our nuclear capabilities and create uncertainty and unrest within the government of The United. States so What i've been concerned about is that no one's really looked into. This just in the last few. Days has this reached the radar of THE. Fbi we want to look at all the pieces to See i'm not you, know there are some members that are going ON tv, saying, oh this is. SINISTS i think a member or two said this could be aliens or something like. THAT i, MEAN i did A tmz interview and the, Look i'm confident it's not. Aliens but at the end of the, day there are countries that have a history of trying to do things like, this and maybe if for no other reason than to spook people into working in the nuclear, PROGRAM i don't. Know there are lots of reasons why someone could be doing, this or a country could be behind this that that wasn't just to steal the intellectual property of the nuclear. PROGRAM i agree that administrative assistant shouldn't have had any classified information or shouldn't have had any type of intellectual property that would be unknown to a foreign. Country, however if that person was an easy, target if your goal is to scare or spook anyone from participating in the nuclear, program then maybe your goal was. Achieved so we just want to look at. THIS a lot of times when the government says they investigate, Something i've learned that they. Don't AND i could give you a lot of examples that are in the news now of former cases THAT i don't think thoroughly got. Vetted and the one at the top of the list would be The epstein investigation was never thoroughly investigated by THE us. Government so we've got this. Situation we're taking it very. Seriously america has reached out to a majority of members Of congress in the last few days in both, parties just with lots of. Questions so we're going to do everything we can to get. Answers and hopefully this is. Related Like President trump, said he hoped it would be. Unrelated but if it's, not then we need to put cautions in. Place we need to protect those, workers and we need to protect our intellectual property for our nuclear. 00:45:12 Speaker 8: Program. 00:45:13 Speaker 3: YEAH i mean To blake's, point though there are specific, ones whether they're not all, connected maybe six of them are, connected maybe four of them are. CONNECTED i mean because some of them are uniquely weird. CIRCUMSTANCES i, mean there's no even you admitted these are really fascinating. 00:45:27 Speaker 4: Case there's fascinating. CASES i want to highlight one of. Them this Was Monica, reza a metallurgist in The Los angeles. Area she was hiking An Angelus National forest with two friends who said they were maybe forty sixty feet in front of, her and they turn around and she's, gone never been seen. Again and this was there was a thorough search for this. Woman they've looked around the area have not found. Her that is. Fascinating and the case. 00:45:51 Speaker 3: The nunorero she was forty seven mit. Physicist this was covered when it happened shot to death at The Brown. University, yeah, shooting which was like a very mysterious shooting as, well there wasn't a whole lot of details about the. 00:46:05 Speaker 4: Mode we believe we have the perpetrator of. That he was he's believed to have also conducted another shooting that took place At brown and it's very darkly, fast. Fascinating he seems to have Been he was a classmate of this man twenty years, ago in, fact got better grades than, him and he might have had this motive that his life hadn't panned out the way he wanted and this guy who was in his, classes they were both From. Portugal he maybe thought this guy had the LIFE i should have had snapped committed a heinous. 00:46:33 Speaker 3: Murder, well very, fascinating BUT i, mean at the bottom, LINE i think it's really important that you're leading the charge. Here the oversight has a powerful role to play here and to get answers because one way or the, other we want to know what this. Is and there's no, Doubt, congressman that this has completely captured. 00:46:49 Speaker 2: The imagination of. 00:46:50 Speaker 3: PEOPLE i, mean we're getting emails from our audience to left and. Right final word to, you, Sir, well WHEN nasa. 00:46:56 Speaker 7: Says they're investigating, this there's no agency or department or to be WITHIN nasa equipped to investigate something like. This same with The department Of. Energy so we believe that sometimes you can figure things out by getting all the information in one, place and the government has a terrible history of doing, that dating all the way back To septemer. Eleventh different agencies knew different things about those. Terrists if they had shared the, information then we might have Prevented september. Eleven so we don't know for sure if something sinister happened, here but we're sure going to do everything in our ability to try to figure it. 00:47:29 Speaker 2: Out, well, again thank you for leading the charge. Here. 00:47:31 Speaker 3: Congressman it's great to see you. Again come back. Soon The House oversight powerful. Role you guys got all kinds of stuff going on this. Week by the, way you're voting to kick Out congressman left and, right and you Know i'm kind of here for. It if you have an update on Ilhan, omar let me, know. 00:47:45 Speaker 7: Sir, well she's in a lot of trouble and we're doing everything we can to drain the. Swamp he's just get rid of three in a. Week that's a good, week. 00:47:52 Speaker 3: But we got a long way to, go, yes, Sir all, Right god bless, you. Sir keep up the great, work and we look forward to updates on that. One all, Right so we want to get into this this. Story it's we call it the creepy Gay dad, story and it's just worth. Highlighting shane mccainally is a four Time Grammy award winning country music. Songwriter he's written hit songs Like Seven, Summers Body like A Back, Road Mama's Broken, heart and. 00:48:22 Speaker 2: More. 00:48:23 Speaker 3: Uh he seems to write kind of, whatever wherever the wind's, blowing he writes. It he's written songs Like John, Cougar John, deere And john three, sixteen kind of evoking This Southern christian titles this, One that's, one one, title Oh, wow one song with three three sort of parts to, it traditional biblical, values all this. Stuff but he's also written songs for LGBD q shows Like Queer. Eye he Corote co wrote a song entitled y'all means y'all with lyrics like if you're torn between the x'es and the, wyse you ain't got to play the hand your delt play a side, Eighteen. 00:49:00 Speaker 11: Please y'all mean all. 00:49:04 Speaker 10: Tax, easily. 00:49:11 Speaker 3: You ain't got to Play, Okay, Well i'm, Sorry i'm psy. 00:49:16 Speaker 2: APOLOGY i apologize for playing. THAT i didn't realize. 00:49:18 Speaker 4: That i'm. Sorry is country music has got to be the type of music that can most easily be generated with AN. 00:49:23 Speaker 2: Ai probably all, Right. 00:49:26 Speaker 3: So sean mccaanally legally married his gay Lover Michael baum In january of twenty, seventeen but they apparently Been they had a commitment ceremony in twenty, twelve so they've been together for like fourteen. Years but they weren't able to have biological but they've been their two, dudes so they can't have biological. Children so they they got their first two, children, twins the twins Boy dash and Daughter, dylan via surrogacy in twenty, twelve be for procuring another newborn via surrogacy In october of twenty twenty. Five the new baby is a little boy Named. Texan, uh and it seems to be a Named. Texan yeah t E x S O. N and now they're going viral because, uh they posted a video laughing at this baby after the baby cried out for, mama and there is no. 00:50:16 Speaker 2: Mama there's no mom around because there's just Dude. Pop there's just two dudes. 00:50:23 Speaker 3: Around AND i actually find this to be excruciating to, Watch so my apologies. 00:50:28 Speaker 2: AGAIN sat, Sixteen, Hey hey who do you? 00:50:34 Speaker 11: Want Or? Pop no mama. 00:50:40 Speaker 7: There i'm so sorry you have two. 00:50:47 Speaker 3: Choices so they thought this was. Funny it ended up exploding. Online many of you have probably seen this clip AND i find it horrifying to. Watch but since, then another video is. Reserved when mccainally and his Lover bomb have played a game with their, kids their, kids uh to you, know find? Out they would they WOULD i guess they would point to each one of them and the kids had to say who was more like whatever they were pointing, out And i'll play the. Clip you'll get the. Idea and this one's pretty disgusting because they, say which one of your dads is? Hornier sounds? 00:51:28 Speaker 2: Great top, Seventeen who's? 00:51:34 Speaker 4: Richest. 00:51:36 Speaker 3: Okay they have since set their accounts to, private But shane mccanally has talked To Daily mail defending his, post saying people have been saying some awful. Things he's the happiest baby in the. World they thought the clip was going to be self deprecating quote, unquote because most babies say data before. 00:51:55 Speaker 2: Mama we found it. 00:51:56 Speaker 3: Hilarious he's five months, old he's he obviously doesn't under Stand. English all, Right, blake do you want to go? 00:52:05 Speaker 2: First this is? 00:52:08 Speaker 4: Gross and, unsettling and children should have a mom and a, dad and policy should incentivize. That and also country music is. 00:52:19 Speaker 3: Bad all, Right so the may, no it's not like. COUNTRY i grew up with country and it's, great all. Right so here's WHAT i will. SAY i totally agree our policies should enable a mom and a. Dad kids need a mom and a. Dad they need the feminine and the. Masculine that is the Way god. Intended god intended for the building blocks of society. 00:52:41 Speaker 2: To be male and. 00:52:42 Speaker 3: Female we learn important lessons from our, Mothers we learn important lessons from our. Fathers, now the argument is that these children need. Love that is a fairly compelling argument for a lot of people in a lot of. Places when it comes to, adoption when somebody has already been, born the whole other can of. Worms when you're talking about, surrogacy surrogacy is essentially renting the womb of a woman to then implant a baby and you, know manufacture one that you. 00:53:15 Speaker 2: Want. 00:53:15 Speaker 3: Okay SO i have a much much bigger problem with gay couples getting babies procuring them via surrogacy THAN i do with. Adoption, Adoption i'm still very uncomfortable with but at least you could make the. 00:53:30 Speaker 2: Argument that these people need. 00:53:31 Speaker 3: Love, okay these babies need a, family they need somewhere to, go and if, not they're gonna be in a foster care. System but, surrogacy to me is completely an. Abomination i'll just be. HONEST i find it, disgusting especially for gay. Couples, okay, now if you are a couple that is struggling with and your male and a female and you're struggling with fertility, issues, okay you have my. GRACE i don't love, it But i'm going to extend a lot more grace to that situation THAN i am a gay. Couple and the REASON i think that this has sparked such a backlash play is because it's the same thing for me as seeing a gay couple kiss on like a movie or A tv show instantly. GIVES i have a visceral reaction to. IT i don't want to see. IT i think people saw, this they felt their hearts were broken for this baby that wants its, mom and it's just something so viscerally reactive when you see a gay couple. 00:54:20 Speaker 4: Behavior it's just it's unsettling to see that and then to be reminded of the bigger picture, thing which is kind of. 00:54:26 Speaker 2: Without a thought. 00:54:27 Speaker 4: THAT i don't think anyone ever really did much to vote for. This it just sort of was a legal void that stuff flowed. Into we've made it so you can basically purchase children for order in The United. States it's popular to do it here from around the. World that's how all Those chinese billionaires get their one hundred. Kids they'll buy a hundred different. Surrogates we've entered a brave new world as it were. Done there's a lot of dark things that people can do with. 00:54:53 Speaker 3: That charlie had an absolutely relentless passion for learning up close and. Personal in every waking, moment every spare moment that he. 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ME i really appreciate the opportunity to talk about all this with your. 00:56:53 Speaker 2: Audience, YEAH i mean. 00:56:54 Speaker 3: Listen, So The story Of everything is a feature documentary adaptation Of return of The god, hypothesis the book THAT i have right. HERE i remember when this came out and everybody was talking about it because it's kind of like a science first look at, creation. RIGHT a lot of times people will argue for the you, KNOW i guess intelligent design through a theological, lens but you were doing it with a science first. Perspective why don't you tell us about that in this film and then we'll play the trailers of. People it's really well. 00:57:24 Speaker 10: Done, yeah thank. 00:57:25 Speaker 13: You. 00:57:25 Speaker 2: Well. 00:57:25 Speaker 10: Yeah the book and the film describe and tell the story of the discovery of three of three major discoveries that reveal the reality of a transcendent and active mind behind the, universe in other, words an intelligent agent with the attributes that traditional, Theists jews And christians have long ascribed To. God SO i call this the return of The god, hypothesis and that's what the film is. 00:57:52 Speaker 3: About, WELL i, mean that's that's A i want to get into what those three discoveries. Are but let's play the trailer BECAUSE i will tell you a bunch of people sent me this and we got to get you on to do, this AND i was like, yeah, yeah, okay. Ok and THEN i looked at the trailer AND i was, Like, wow this is like somebody has done a phenomenal job executing on this. 00:58:12 Speaker 2: Vision, Today i'm going to tell you a story which may seem very. 00:58:19 Speaker 7: Strange, Galileo Kepler newton each tried to explain events in the history of the. 00:58:28 Speaker 2: Universe has the universe always been? 00:58:30 Speaker 10: Here or is it? 00:58:32 Speaker 9: Finite is there something else that would lay these questions to. 00:58:35 Speaker 10: Rest it reopens that question of ultimate. 00:58:38 Speaker 2: Meaning how in the world did this? 00:58:41 Speaker 10: Start the simulation theory the. 00:58:43 Speaker 2: Multiverse you can't trust what's in front of your. 00:58:45 Speaker 10: Eyes without, guidance we would get a life unfriendly. Universe many organisms have beauty beyond anything that's relevant for their survival. 00:58:54 Speaker 9: Value the concept of life' is a cosmic phenomenon sure to have many. 00:58:58 Speaker 13: Consequences the, question then what does want. 00:59:06 Speaker 2: To do about really beautiful? 00:59:09 Speaker 3: Stuff, HONESTLY i, Mean i'm so used to people pitching, projects, doctor and they don't look great If i'm being, honest. 00:59:16 Speaker 2: But this looks. 00:59:17 Speaker 3: Beautiful tell us about how long you guys have been working on, this and THEN i want to hear some of THE i want to hear some of the three. 00:59:26 Speaker 2: Discoveries. 00:59:27 Speaker 10: Yeah, Absolutely. Well the embarrassing thing about the film project is, that with some delays that we encountered during the final phases OF, covid that it actually took five years to produce the. Film, wow it took me three and a half years to write the, book so the film was even more extensive. Project but we have twenty two different scientists and scholars who are in. It the filmmakers are fantastic. Storytellers so this is not a sermon on. Tape this, is you, know a genuine, story and it's the story of two, stories the story of two competing views of reality and how modern science has revealed that one of those stories clearly provides a better explanation for what we. See the two stories are the thing that we've all heard that life arose and the universe arose from undirected material, processes, or As Richard dawkins put, it from, blind pitiless. Indifference and the other story is that instead there's a, mind a, creator a creative intelligence behind the, universe and we can tell by looking, at As Saint paul put, it the things that are. Made so but it, is as you, say as science first, approach and it. Involved the producers did a fantastic. Job there are four hundred visual. Effects the cinematography is. Gorgeous they take you deep out into, space deep into the interior workings of the. Cell you can see the digital information in THE, dna what it. Does you can see the, nanotechnology the little miniature machines inside the. Cell so it's a very powerful visual representation of the. Evidence it's there's a very strong argument that runs through, it but it's also just some very compelling story, telling not only about the story of the scientists making the discoveries that are pointing To, god but how those discoveries have affected their own thinking and their own, lives and in many cases have affected a kind of intellectual first and sometimes even religious conversion among the scientists who have encountered these really powerful. Evidences for a mind behind the. 01:01:32 Speaker 3: Universe, YEAH i, remember actually THE i forget his, name you probably know, it, doctor but the guy who was sort of first behind the mapping of the human, genome and he was became a Strong. Christian yeah, yeah you Begin yeah, exactly so a theist and there is something really, profect like creation is so intricate and beautiful and complex that the people that study it most deeply tend to be persuaded that there is a there is something behind. Creation I'm i'm thinking of you, know The artemis two launch right where there was the gentleman that was on board and he was looking at The majesty Of earth and he, Said i'm not really a theist at, all but LIKE i started praying and crying and. Weeping and apparently this is a very common experience for astronauts when they come. Back go, AHEAD i can see this IS i. 01:02:22 Speaker 10: Had a piece about that when The artemist guys were still in space at foxnews Dot com at their. Website this has been a very common. Thing we send people up into, space they look back at that beautiful blue jewel through the window in their space capsule and they if they were religious before they become even more, religious and if they, weren't they become open to. It there's a kind of experience of a spaceflight, epiphany if you. Will it goes back to the, astronomers or, sorry the astronauts in The apollo mission And apollo, eight they The. Bible they read The biblical account of creation From genesis On Christmas day in nineteen sixty. Eight the current head OF, nasa The administrator OF, Nasa Jared, isaacsman has said that his time in space convinced him that quote the heavens declare the glory Of. God and this is one of the passages that the current astronauts emphasized as a result of their. Experience, so, yeah it's kind of cool, thing, really and we've seen. 01:03:29 Speaker 2: That and in. 01:03:31 Speaker 10: Addition to the kind of intuitive sense that there must be something behind what they, see because you look at that beautiful blue jewel from space and then there's the darkness behind. It and as far as we, look we know no planets there anywhere near as friendly to life as our planet. Is and then when you analyze it from the standpoint of, physics as far as all the what are called fine tuning, parameters all the parameters that have to be exactly right in our local solar system and in the universe itself to make life. Possible the most obvious implication of all that fine tuning is that there must have been a fine, tuner and this is one of the things we cover in the. 01:04:13 Speaker 4: Film let's elaborate on one of the points you mentioned in. Passing so you mentioned the big picture stuff about our planet and what's exceptional about, it but also you, said as you put, it the nanotechnology in cell that the smallest level that we can look at that that seems to defy comprehension as something that could arise. Naturally could you elaborate on that. 01:04:34 Speaker 10: Point, well, Absolutely i've been elaborating on that for about thirty years, now so you better ask be careful what you asked. For but, yeah the big discoveries of modern molecular biology have shown that once you open up the inside of the, cell it's not at all what people thought In darwin's, Time darwin's so called, bulldog his great Proponent Thomas Henry, huxley in the eighteen sixty said that the cell is a, simple homogeneous globule of undifferentiated. Protoplasm it's just a blob of. Jelly and if you think that's what the, cell the simplest unit of, life the smallest unit of, life, is it's pretty easy to imagine how a few simple chemical reactions might produce something like, that but it hasn't turned out to be. So, instead starting in the nineteen fifties and, sixties in a period of rapid exploration and discovery in the field of molecular, biology scientists began to discover the inside the. Cell there first of all large information bearing, molecules the most famous of which is THE dna. Molecule watson And crick elucidated its structure in nineteen fifty. Three in nineteen fifty, Eight krick had a kind of epiphany and realized that along the spine of THE dna molecule there are, subunits chemical subunits that are functioning just like alphabetic characters in a written, text or zeros and ones in a section of machine. Code this is a stop press moment in the history of science and the history of, biology because prior to that people were trying to explain the origin of life from simple. Chemistry they were trying to get from chemistry to. Chemistry, now After, crick we realize you've got to get from chemistry to. Code how does the? Chemistry how does do undirected chemical processes produce an elaborate information, storage transmission and processing, system which is what's been discovered and instead we know chemistry doesn't do, this but we do know something does make, code and that is. Intelligence Bill gates says that THE dna is like a software, program but much more complex than any we've ever. Created Richard dawkins and said the same, thing. 01:06:49 Speaker 3: Doctor when does the film come out and how do people watch? 01:06:52 Speaker 1: It? 01:06:52 Speaker 8: Yeah. 01:06:52 Speaker 10: Fantastic the film Opens april thirtieth in theaters that's Next, thursday and it people can get tickets by going to The story Of Everything dot film and yeah that we appreciate the. 01:07:07 Speaker 2: Interest, yeah, absolutely so check it, out get your. 01:07:10 Speaker 3: Tickets you guys are doing like an, event, Right it's like A fathom. Event, like so On, thursday there's gonna be theaters all over the country that people can watch us. 01:07:17 Speaker 10: At, well this is a week long, opening so it's not just a Typical fathom. Event this is A fathom functioning as a full on. Distributor so we get a week. Guaranteed we're in over five hundred theaters already and we're adding them daily as more and more interest is coming. In our pre sales are very. Strong we're hoping to kick over into a second week and then there'll be a digital release beyond. That so, Great so, PLEASE i do encourage people to see it in theaters, though because it was really The the producers made this with a big screen in. 01:07:48 Speaker 2: Mind it. 01:07:48 Speaker 10: Is it's JUST i didn't see it on a big screen until a recent, screening and it's just. Gorgeous there's four hundred visual, effects great. Cinematography you go deep, out way out into the deep into the interior of the, cell and there's a fantastic story that goes with all the beautiful. 01:08:05 Speaker 3: Imagery, yeah AND i encourage, everybody take your, friends buy a bunch of, tickets take your, friends, churches do this with. 01:08:10 Speaker 2: It you, know if it doesn't have to be a. 01:08:12 Speaker 3: Church you've got that friend that you've been working on for a while and they're, open you can and they just need a little intellectual equipping to get over the. Hump so we talked about This artemis two, clip AND i just really want to play it for people BECAUSE i just thought it was so it was so beautiful the way he described, It it's not twenty one on the. 01:08:33 Speaker 13: Ship i'm not A i'm not really religious, person but there was just no other avenue for me to to explain anything or to experience. Anything SO i asked for the chaplain on The navy ship to just come visit us for a. Minute and when that man walked, In i'd never met him before in my, life BUT i saw the cross on his, collar AND i JUST i broke down in tears like. That it's very hard to fully grasp what we just went. Through and in these short you just said it's been a week since we them, back but it's been a week of medical, testing physical, testing, doctors science objectives. Like we have not had that, Decompression we have not had that reflection. Time So i'm basing this on what we. Saw and when the sun eclipse behind the, MOON i think all four of. US i turned To victor AND i, SAID i don't think humanity has evolved to the point of being able to comprehend what we're looking at right, now because it was. Otherworldly it was, Amazing, wow just. 01:09:25 Speaker 3: Incredible all, Right SO i have a question for, you if you want to react to that so. 01:09:30 Speaker 10: WELL i was just going to say that connects with a very strong theme in the, film which is the fine tuning of the universe that allows for life and the fine tuning of our planetary system that makes life on Planet earth. Possible we have a section in the film precisely on what they have been seeing and, describing which is all the intricate parameters that were set up just right to make life on Planet earth possible and some, beautiful beautiful. Photography one of those parameters is actually the possibility of an. Eclipse the distance between The earth and The sun exactly matches geometrically what you, need given the size of The moon in relation to The, earth to make eclipses, possible and that we can have eclipses is one of the things that makes it possible for us to make basic discoveries about the universe and the. Cosmos so there's a book Called The Privileged planet that's co authored By Germo gonzalez And Jay. Richards Jay richards is featured in the film describing this and that book makes the argument that not only is our planetary system fine tuned or designed for, life it's fine tuned and designed for us to be able to make scientific, discoveries that, is to know something about the cosmos and its. Creator so the intuitive response of the astronauts is well supported by scientific evidence about just how incredibly designed are minetary system. 01:11:00 Speaker 3: IS i have so many questions for, you Doctor, mara and we've got two minutes left in this, segment but it's it's like one QUESTION i would have for you is if somebody who's not a believer came to you and, said you, KNOW i don't believe because you, know we're all just you, know primordial, goo you, know the product of and we've evolved and all this. STUFF i, mean what's your what do you? Do what's your first? Reaction your first, answer. 01:11:25 Speaker 10: WELL i go right back to where we were talking to the subject we were talking about before the, break which is that in the interior of the cell you have these information bearing molecules where the information is being used by the cell to direct the construction of the proteins and the protein nanomachines that make it possible for living organisms to stay. Alive and we know from our experience that information computer code always comes from a, programmer and in, fact whenever we see, information we trace it back to its, source whether we're talking about the information in a computer, program or in a section in a, book or a hieroglyphic, inscription or the information we're transmitting back and forth to between. Ourselves right, now information always issues or comes ultimately from a. Mind so the discovery of information at the foundation of life in every living cell is a powerful indicator of the activity of a designing mind in The in the origin and history of life, itself we wouldn't attempt to explain the origin of the iPhone apart from the mind Of Steve, jobs Right, so the fact that we can't see the creator doesn't mean that we might not be in possession of an artifact or of a system that is bearing witness to the existence of a prior. Cause it's completely legitimate scientifically to reason from effect back to. Cause and in the case of, information the cause of information is always a. 01:12:56 Speaker 3: Mind creation declares his glory the story Of everything in theaters nationwide Beginning april, thirtieth twenty twenty, Six Doctor, meyer thank you for your time. 01:13:06 Speaker 2: Today, Wonderful thank you very. 01:13:07 Speaker 8: Much. 01:13:08 Speaker 4: Yeah for more on many of these stories and news you can, trust go To charliekirk dot. 01:13:16 Speaker 2: Com