Democrats' Redistricting Humiliation + AMA 265

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There's always a lot happening. But right now there is so much happening that it's gonna be tough to get to it all in this hour. But I want to start first with some personal news on the team front here at turning Point, and that of course, is that it's May eighth, which means it is the fifth anniversary of Charlie and Erica. And I've already said it publicly, but I'm gonna say again on the show that I know for a fact that Charlie is so proud of Erica Kirk, and so in honor of that, the team put together a little something and I want to play it in just honor of their marriage and their relationship, and this fifth anniversary sought one. 00:02:18 Speaker 1: That idea of marriage being a covenant is a big, big deal. In fact, only marriage in the Bible is compared to Christ's relationship with the church. To always prioritize your marriage. 00:02:30 Speaker 3: Do you know what's really. 00:02:31 Speaker 1: Gonna matter thirty years from now, What's gonna matter is whether or not you have the love of your life and you have decided to raise children for young people out there if you want to find meaning, find something worth taking responsibility for. 00:02:45 Speaker 4: Yeah, grateful for you. 00:02:47 Speaker 3: I love you. I love you too, man, I love you so much. 00:02:50 Speaker 1: I love you. Marriage is the most awesome thing ever everybody. 00:02:53 Speaker 2: It's amazing, it really is. 00:02:56 Speaker 3: It's amazing. I think I've mentioned before. 00:02:59 Speaker 5: I came here in twenty twenty two, so they'd already been mary a few years at that point, that he. 00:03:04 Speaker 3: Just had the first kid. 00:03:06 Speaker 5: But I remember it was kind of like it was it was like walking in on a scene in the middle of things, because what I kept seeing was comments from you from Tyler. Really, we talk about it all the time. Everyone was always saying, Charlie's really different these days, and they would always remark how Charlie used to be so much more intense. He used to he used to not do the Shabbat thing as an example, So he was bombarding people on Saturdays all the time, and everyone was saying marriage. 00:03:35 Speaker 3: Really it matured Charlie. 00:03:38 Speaker 5: It rounded him out, leveled him, as you said, yeah, made him, made him into the most complete person. 00:03:43 Speaker 2: Oh, he leveled up completely just in his own abilities when he got married to Erica. And I remember my wife told me because I was one of the people he would drive crazy, especially on the weekends, And my wife was remember when when they got married and we came down for it. I remember we were reflecting on it after it all happened, after they got married, and she was just like, I really hope this is like gonna be a good thing for our marriage too, And I remember, like it really was. And you just saw Charlie enter into his fullness, into the fullness of his strength, and especially when they start having kids. And yeah, I just I know Charlie's very proud of Erica and everything she's been through. I know I don't have to tell this audience all that she's been through obviously with the tragedy, but everything that's happened since, and just how strong and courageous she's been and so here's to you, Erica Kirk. Charlie is smiling down on you, and I know he's so proud of you, and so it's a weird thing to say, but you know, we're this is a day just to remember just the beauty of their relationship. And yeah, happy fifth anniversary, five years. Yeah, all right, without further ado, we got some breaking news on the Virginia front, and we're gonna have Greg Price. You know him from x formerly known as Twitter. He's a conservative strategist and has been following this closely. Greg. Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. 00:05:11 Speaker 6: Hey, thanks for having me, guys. 00:05:12 Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, we had a little aside we had to deal with there. But big news out of the Virginia State Supreme Court. They have struck down the ten to one maps. They are going back to the six to five maps. It feels like, Greg, that it was like the dark Knight of the soul and then all of a sudden, you get the VRA ruling out of the Supreme Court. You get Tennessee and Alabama showing some freaking guts, you got Florida, now Virginia reversing. 00:05:40 Speaker 5: Ken Pucinelli called it, called it on the show, We're going to strike it down? 00:05:44 Speaker 3: And yeah, bam did they ever? 00:05:46 Speaker 2: All Right, give us your take. I know you've been following this closer in just about anybody. Greg. 00:05:50 Speaker 7: Yes, it's a very white pilling day for patriots and especially those of us in Virginia who are happy that we get to keep our Republican representation. But it's a very simple constitutional question. Everything that the Virginia Democrats did here was blatantly illegal in order to get this thing on the ballot in the first place. The way that the Virginia Constitution works is in order to amend it, you have to have two votes in the General Assembly, with an intervening election in between. 00:06:16 Speaker 8: So you have to have one. 00:06:17 Speaker 7: Vote on it, you have to have an election, and then you have to have a second vote on it. And they had to amend the constitution because in twenty twenty Virginia voted for a bipartisan redistricting commission. 00:06:27 Speaker 6: But what the. 00:06:27 Speaker 7: Democrats did here is they passed it in last October, in the middle of the governor's race, and at that point, early voting had started in September and been going on for forty days and about one point three million people had voted, and so they did that, and then there was the election, and then they voted on it again to put it on the ballot as soon as the General Assembly reconvened, and the problem is one point three million people had already voted, and hilariously, their lawyers argued in court that early voting doesn't actually count as the election, that only election day should count. And so it was like, so it was completely unconstitutional how they got it on in the first place. And then they wrote, obviously the completely ridiculous ballot language that said we have to restore fairness by taking four seats away from and completely enfranchising the rural parts of the state. So everything about it was illegal, and the Supreme Court did the right thing. I honestly did not have faith that they were going to do this, but you know, props to them for doing the right thing. And how just deeply embarrassing for all of the Democrats involved, Between Abigail Spanberger and Louise Lucas the crazy Senate pro tem and Don Scott, the Speaker of the House, they invested so much political capital into this and only to get stuffed into a locker by the Supreme Court. Deeply embarrassing for Hakeem Jeffries. You know, the Democrats spent nearly eighty million dollars on this referendum, and just about half of it came from House Majority forward, which is Hakem Jeffries's personal five oh one c four. So deeply embarrassing for him. Deeply embarrassing for Barack Obama, who agreed to be the whole face of vest and cut so many commercials in favor of this referendum. 00:08:04 Speaker 2: Just you know, for every Democrat. We started with an anniversary celebration there. And Barack Obama has recently admitted that his decision to continue continue fighting President Trump has caused tension in their marriage, which is also unfortunate for the former president. I got a graph here. I guess it's not really a graph, but it's a visual of what we're now dealing with. Redistricting update after the Virginia map got struck down, so you got Texas plus five the state. The Court just affirmed that map Florida plus four, Ohio plus one, Missouri plus one, North Carolina, Carolina plus one, Tennessee plus one. They just did their maps by the way, you gotta love just the absolute insanity that broke out in Tennessee. Therms is Justin Pearson clown who went full ghetto by the way, uh and just through this massive tantrum against a police officer when it happened. So that counters California, which went d plus five, in Utah which added one because that crazy court ruling there pending, Louisiana, Alabama, in South Carolina all plus at least one more. The redistricting wars are turning into a bloodbath for the Democrats. There's just In Blake and I were skeptical because we were traumatized from the old way that the GOP did business, which was we talk a good game and then we just completely don't show up for the fight. This time we're actually doing it. I think Indiana had a lot to do with some of this as well. Greg. All right, so we have a crystal ball prediction here, Greg. This is from Open Source Zone. It's a good good account to follow. They have it at Republicans. These are Republican leaning seats. If you want to throw up that graphic, please at two hundred and eleven. So we just plus three Democrats at two poh eight minus four toss ups at sixteen, that's the wrong graph. There you go, that's the right graphic. Toss ups at sixteen, so conceiving of. 00:10:01 Speaker 3: Them here in Arizona. 00:10:02 Speaker 2: What's that? 00:10:02 Speaker 3: Two of them here in Arizona. 00:10:03 Speaker 2: That's right, So conceivably we still could lose the House, Greg right with that sixteen toss up races and the wind is definitely behind the Democrats. It's a midterm with worthy incumbent party. So let's talk about what you see happening here. If you like our chances, are things trending in the right direction? What do we need to focus on? 00:10:25 Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean we have, like there are still months away from November and a lot changes in elections. Things can change, you know, just in a matter of weeks and so but Republicans I think definitely have a real chance of bucking history here and you know, maybe not taking back the House, but massively overperforming in a way that hasn't happened before. 00:10:47 Speaker 8: And another way to think. 00:10:48 Speaker 7: About it is like, as you said, there's there's because of things, because of all the redistricting and because of how polarized the country has become. Even if you think if there's a worst case scenario for the gop On election. There's not that many districts that are too truly toss up districts anymore, and so you know, I you know, obviously the economy needs to get better, gas prices need to come down. Obviously, the pocket you know, it's the kitchen table issues are the things that win and lose you elections. But you know, for for as for for as up for what the approval ratings have been for the administration, the approval ratings of the Democratic Party have been in the toilet and they've. 00:11:26 Speaker 8: Never gone up. 00:11:27 Speaker 7: For that, they are consistently lower than the president. And so that is still a real that's a real problem for the Democrats to contend with. The Other thing is they're caught in a lot of extremely messy primaries right now, which I'm sure you guys have talked about a lot on the show, especially in that Michigan Senate race where you have those three people duking it out, and that's that's an extremely late primary in August, and that's gonna be They're gonna have millions of dollars spent in places like that just on the primaries alone, and they're dealing with lots of similar races like that across the country, and so you know, people have Obviously, people freak out about the midterms, and obviously, you know the headwinds because it's a midterm with the incumbent party in power, you can't say they're in the Republican Party's favor. 00:12:10 Speaker 6: But there's still. 00:12:10 Speaker 7: Tons of things going our way, and we still have a long we're still a long ways away from November. This thing's only just begun. 00:12:17 Speaker 2: I agree, And you know it's funny. I'll talk to Rich Barris, who's sort of famously black pilling right now, which which is fine, but you know, he says, what is the silver lining here is just the Democrats can't get out of their own way, right. They're going more radical, they're doubling down on so much of what got them in this place to begin with in twenty twenty four. So that's the good news. The other good news is, you see, there was a jobs report that came out this morning. It was like sixty five thousand predicted. We actually did one hundred and fifteen thousand. They upward revised March up seven thousand jobs, which is low. And behold, I mean during Biden. Remember it was like every time they would do a job's revision they would cut out all the. 00:12:58 Speaker 3: Games, cooking a million out yeah year at one point. 00:13:01 Speaker 2: So the economy is actually showing massive resiliency. We're actually stronger than all the other rich nations in the world right now from a growth standpoint, and we have oil and we're now becoming a massive exporter of oil. So that's that's a huge These are huge benefits that despite the Iran controversy, despite the Iran conflict, we're actually showing amazing resiliency economically. 00:13:23 Speaker 5: And we should know we still have six months to well five months at this point to get the for around to potentially wrap up be a huge that would be very good, and it might even be you get one of those weird bounces where they didn't like that it happened, but they reward it ending. 00:13:38 Speaker 3: Yeah, it happened a lot with. 00:13:39 Speaker 2: You, Greg, you mentioned you mentioned Michigan. Our favorite guy l Sayed or whatever his name is running for is a Muslim radical leftist and he likes to lecture us on a revamp of democracy and all these things. He wants to pack the court, he wants to bring in the States. He's that guy, and I just find that really galling, by the way, just in general, like he's a first generation America lecturing me and you people. Our ancestors blood has in bones are buried and spilled all over this land and wars and fighting for it and preserving our constitutional republic. And he's gonna lecture us. Anyways. He campaigned with Hassan Piker. Hassan Piker has just reacted to this morning's Supreme Court ruling in Virginia, saying the Virginia Supreme Court denied the results of the districting referendum. Scotus gutted the Voting Rights Act, and Tennessee carved up the last dem district, destroying black voter power in the state. That's actually not true. It's probably going to go to a black Republican woman in Tennessee. But who cares about the details, right, Hassan. Anyways, he goes those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable. This guy's a real peach and he wants to get Conservatives killed. He wants capitalist blood strewn in the streets. He jokes about President Trump being assassinated. He jokes about Senator Scott getting assassinated it, Greg, I just got to get your opinion on this real quick before we lose yet. What the heck is going on with this kind of talk? 00:15:08 Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, if there was ever a case for ending birthright citizenship, especially for Turkish nationals engaged engaging in birthright in birth tourism, I think Hassan Piker. 00:15:19 Speaker 2: Is you should tweak exhibit a of that. 00:15:22 Speaker 8: I mean, yeah, he's just a psycho. 00:15:24 Speaker 7: And and he's a psycho that you know, and you know, we have psychos on the right too, but mains, he's a psycho being mainstreamed by outlets like The New York Times, who Democrat candidates like Abdul lsied or campaigning with. And so this guy's you know, he may sound crazy to most people, but this is now, this is the id of the Democratic Party, if that's right. If Democrats aren't already saying what the things out loud that Hassan Piker says on a daily basis, they're definitely texting it in their group chats and saying it to each other privately. 00:15:55 Speaker 2: And don't forget Jay Jones, who got elected to Virginia's as the Virginia I mean, this stuff is so it's so prevalent, it's so rampant, it's hard to keep up with it. I mean, it really is. That's how sick it has become. There is a rot within Democrats circles it, and it's gonna cost more people their lives. I'm I'm sad to say, I just I don't see them correct in course, Greg Price, thank you Conservative Strategists. Follow him on x and please tweet that out what you just said, Greg, that was brilliant. Mother's Day is coming up, and if you haven't taken care of the important women in your life yet, I've got you covered. 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All right, without further ado, I want to bring in two new GOP nominees from the state of Indiana. That would be Brian Schmutzler, doctor Brian Schmutzler. I believe I'm saying that right an Indiana State Senate GOP nominee. It's official. And Trevor de Veriz, who's also a new GEOP nominee from that state in a in a huge win for grassroots conservatives all across the country. And we'll explain what I mean by that just a second. Gentlemen, welcome to the show, Thanks for having me, Thank you well. Congratulations on a tremendous, tremendous victory in the GOP primary. So now you're facing the general, so I don't get to say state senator elect just yet, but I like our chances. Okay, so let's start with you, doctor Brian Schmutzler. Right, I'm saying it right. I just want to make there sure. 00:18:24 Speaker 6: Yeah, you're saying it right. 00:18:25 Speaker 2: Okay, good, you know me, doctor Brian, Doctor Brian, that works, future state senator, Doctor Brian. Tell us why you decided to get in this race and just your experience running and what you saw, what you learned. The floor's yours, man. 00:18:41 Speaker 9: That's kind of a long story and getting in the race. My grandfather was actually a state senator in the sixties and seventies down in southern Indiana, so kind of always been in my blood. A lot of things happened with some anesthesia, access and affordability stuff that I had worked on. And then I'll be honest, Charlie, Charlie getting assassinated got me really mad and motivated. I kind of kind of have a connection with with Turning Point itself. Lucas Miles Is is my pastor. I'm also the vice president of Turning Point Faith and so you know, after that happened, I got really mad and motivated, and then kind of the final straw for me was a redistricting vote. And so after that happened, I was in. I was fully in and over the next few months here we are. So yeah, it was, uh, it was. It was a lot of different things, but but Charlie was a big part of it. 00:19:28 Speaker 2: Yeah, well said, that's a beautiful story. Thank you for sharing that. Actually, and by the way, Pastor Lucas Miles is amazing. He's a great patriot, he's a great pastor. He's been on the show a number of times. He's leading the uh make Heaven Crowded tour all across the country, so we've been putting him on the road, so I know he gets back on Sundays for you guys. But a great guy. Trevor Derees devrise. Either way, I'm not sure. Uh so you tell us the same same question to you, why'd you get in this race? What'd you see when you were running? What'd you learn? 00:20:00 Speaker 10: Yeah? 00:20:00 Speaker 11: So, really it came down to, over the past couple of years, it just feels like every day Hoosiers are being squeezed and struggling more and more each day. And it just seemed like every time we went to our legislators voicing our concerns, our comments and our opinions, it just seemed like they weren't actually listening to us. And really, as the reason I got involved is very similar, Doctor Bryant. You know, my church is very heavily involved here locally. I go Living Stones in Crownpoint, Indiana, which that make Heaven crowded to where they're stopping at our church here in July. So it super excited about that. And really, it's just when we saw Christian values and conservative values start to really slowly drift away in Indianapolis, it was really time for the next generation of conservative leadership to actually jump up and fight to keep the Overton window from sliding further further left on a daily basis. 00:20:58 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really well said, I think, and you know, you see this what you guys did and what you accomplished, and we were grateful to play a role at turning point action. Tyler Brett and the whole team just did a tremendous job in Tennessee. Help Gosh, there's so many states I want to get to. I'm looking at my call sheet here, but it did a great job in Indiana and we're just so proud because I think what you guys have done. The courage that you exhibited stepping into the fray has had knock on effects. And you see this in Alabama where there's a literal tornado warning going off the you know, the feed gets cut out because of the winds were so high. And they passed the redistricting map in Alabama following the VRA ruling from Supreme Court. You see in Tennessee where they put up with a bunch of petulant children and black panthers getting in their face to pass through that new map. In Tennessee, We're seeing a courage and a backbone and a fight in the GOP in conservative movement that we had never seen at least in generations, because we're finally fighting, we're finally pushing back. And I think what you guys did made such a huge difference. You proved the model. You prove there are consequences if you get entrenched rhino old school GOP from the Bush era that refuse to realize what time it is with the fact that we are in a fight for our lives in this country. And I'm just so proud of you guys, and I'm so grateful that you did what you did. And uh, I mean literally, we have clips from all of this, by the way, maybe we play them, but genuinely, a nation thanks you for what you did, because it is the knock on effects are going to prove extraordinarily valuable for the rest of us. Either one of you can take it, Blake, you can take it. 00:22:38 Speaker 3: No, I'm I'm so glad. Oh yeah, you go, you go, you're the guests. 00:22:41 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no. 00:22:43 Speaker 6: I mean, you know, I was honored to do it. 00:22:45 Speaker 9: And I think you know, Trevor and I are both both strong Christians, and I think we both believe that God called us to this, and and you know, it is bigger than just just Indiana. I mean the people of my district Senate District eleven. Obviously I'm gonna I'm gonna represent them well. But I think, like you said, we're representing a movement. We're representing a movement of youth in the Republican Party and Christian Conservatives. You know, we're gonna go down to Indianapolis, and I think you know, Trevor can speak to this too. 00:23:13 Speaker 6: We've got a. 00:23:14 Speaker 9: Tech string with all of the challengers who won, and we talk a lot about our faith, we pray together, we do all kinds of things together and that's going to fundamentally change the state House in Indiana. 00:23:25 Speaker 2: That's amazing. Yeah, well said I'm going to play this. Well, actually, I have a question before I play this. I was going to play justin Pearson this this black panther out of Tennessee. 00:23:35 Speaker 3: Anyways. 00:23:36 Speaker 2: But you know a lot of people were trying to diagnose what the message was from Indiana, and they said, Trump still is the man in the movement, and yes he is, but I think on a local level, on a fundamental level, this was bigger than Trump. This was explain that if you will, what the sense of betrayal that people had at the local level, you know in Indiana, Trevor, you can take this one just that that what they were really motivated by here. 00:24:04 Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I think doctor Brian said it. 00:24:07 Speaker 11: Well, you know, Charlie lit a fire that really started in a little small bonfire that just grew to just a wildfire across the nation. 00:24:17 Speaker 6: You know, I never the day he died, very clearly, right. 00:24:21 Speaker 11: I was with Who's Your Leadership Series Class Many and a Family Institute in DC, and we were actually in the floor of Congress and we came out of that and we heard that Charlie had been shot, and we immediately, all sixty five plus of us started praying on Capitol Hill, you know. And really it's just people locally woke up heavily after Charlie was assassinated, and people noticed and realized and started paying attention far more than ever before, because the question kept saying, Okay, who's picking up the microphone and we are all Charlie Kirk. We need the lock arms and start moving forward together to make sure we fight to saved our state, our country, and just save America for our children, our grandchildren and the generations that come. And when it came to the conversations we were having regularly, you know, redistricting was an important topic, but it was never number one. 00:25:17 Speaker 6: It was always Hey, that was really frustrating. 00:25:20 Speaker 11: And then as I dug in deeper and started to looking at the voting records of my legislators, people got more upset. People were frustrated. Our taxes are rising. Government you know, is overreached in big government. It's just growing. And that's really what broke the camel's back is people are waking up. People are tired of sitting back, and we've realized how complacent and asleep at the wheel Indiana has been over the past couple of years. 00:25:46 Speaker 3: No, it's it's a good point. 00:25:48 Speaker 5: One of the topics Charlie really was harping on in the last couple of years. He would talk about the need for red states to really step up and be as powerful as as powerfully read as bluest are powerfully blue on this show, we're endlessly covering what they do in California because it's so extreme, or what they did in Virginia. 00:26:06 Speaker 3: They took over. 00:26:07 Speaker 5: They want a big election, and they just they just failed on their redistricting, thank you, but they've rammed through everything else to make it as blue as California, Oregon, Washington, New York. And we have a state like yours, Indiana, totally very red, consistently electing Republicans, and it's a big state. 00:26:25 Speaker 3: It's a big enough. 00:26:25 Speaker 5: State that if you're acting in a really red way, you can have a national impact. 00:26:30 Speaker 3: People will notice it. 00:26:31 Speaker 2: I want to play this clip and get your guys reaction because you talk about your Christian faith. This is a state Senator Travis Holdman, who lost by over twenty points, and he's saying revenge and retribution is not a Christian value. St. Eight. 00:26:44 Speaker 12: Well, I have one lesson for people, reveringe and retribution. 00:26:47 Speaker 6: There's not a Christian value to me, and that's what this was all a value, right. 00:26:52 Speaker 12: And I'm not bitter about it. 00:26:55 Speaker 6: It's just the fact. 00:26:57 Speaker 10: And there's life after serving in the Danna Senate, remembering to find out. 00:27:00 Speaker 2: With smug doctor Brian your reaction, Yeah. 00:27:05 Speaker 9: This isn't revenge and retribution. 00:27:06 Speaker 6: It's accountability. 00:27:08 Speaker 9: When our elected officials fail us, they need to be held accountable. That's what this was, not direct retribution and revenge. 00:27:17 Speaker 2: Trevor. 00:27:18 Speaker 6: Yeah, I couldn't say any better myself. 00:27:19 Speaker 13: Really. 00:27:19 Speaker 11: At the end of the day, this was taking control of the situation at hand and keeping everyone accountable. If you do a poor job at your day job, you're going to get fired. If you're not listening to your boss or to your coworkers, you're going to get fired. So for them to think that they can go off and do whatever they want and honestly lie to everyone saying that constituents didn't want this, it's false. 00:27:45 Speaker 6: So they did the wrong thing. 00:27:49 Speaker 2: Well said, gentlemen, and congratulations godspeed in the general. We like our chances and God bless you both. Thank you for your courage, thank you for your kind words about Charlie. It means a lot to us. Thank you, God bless you both. 00:28:01 Speaker 6: Thank you so much. Thank you. 00:28:04 Speaker 2: All Right, it's safe to say that the Democrats are taking this poorly. We got a smattering of clips, but I want to start with this guy, Justin Pearson, who used to be this really like buttoned up, like clean shaven dude. Then he turned into a black panther. Similar pattern we've seen from a lot of like some black people, like they find their roots eventually or something, whatever they think it is. They go on this journey and then they come out looking like this and it's an unfortunate thing anyways. Uh, so he's like a known race huckster and a wannabe black panther. It gets physical and threatens a state police officer after the Tennessee vote on redistrict game. It's not twenty. 00:29:04 Speaker 3: Wrong with you, dis. 00:29:07 Speaker 6: Wrong with you? 00:29:09 Speaker 7: Hey? 00:29:14 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's him, uh calling the police officer. Boy. I mean this is he thinks he's Malcolm X, but he's like a he's like Tamu Malcolm X is what he is. So here's here's his reaction, uh, calling it a racist tool of white supremacy. Twelve. 00:29:31 Speaker 14: These maps are racist tools of white supremacy. At the behest of the most powerful white supremacists in the United States of America, Donald J. Trump, Memphis is the most beautiful place on the planet. It's the place that raised me, my brothers, my parents, my grandmothers, and where my ancestors bones rest. And what you are doing today is eviscerating the only black majority congressional district in our state because we are majority black. We are here because this Republican. 00:30:07 Speaker 15: Party has to seek to steal elections and seats because the President and the party have refused to address the pain, the suffering, and the struggling of everyday Tennesseeans. 00:30:20 Speaker 2: So he says that Memphis is the most beautiful place on the planet. Now, no disrespect to Memphis. 00:30:25 Speaker 3: I think a lot of people would dispute that. 00:30:28 Speaker 2: Yeah, I Memphis' murder rate is kind of through the roof. There's a lot of crime, a lot of problems there. I remember when we hosted our event at University of Memphis. It was it was it was a I got overrun. 00:30:43 Speaker 3: I don't think I was at that one. 00:30:44 Speaker 2: Now it got overrun. I mean the university was just completely it was Kyle Rittenhouse, that's right, and they messed with it the ticketing, and then it got overrun by all these like activists, like you know justin Pearson became a really like almost violent situation. But that's you know, that's what happens. Stacy Abrams not to be outdone, is getting in the mix. Top five. 00:31:05 Speaker 13: We have to sit what Tennessee is doing next to the fight that's coming out of Louisiana, next to the fight that will follow in Mississippi and likely in South Carolina. We are watching in real time the restoration of the very laws that pretended racial neutrality but were intended to deny black and brown voters the right to participate in democracy, which is one of the principal goals of authoritarianism. They do not want the people who may disagree with them to be heard. And right now in the United States, race is the strongest predictor of political leanings, and so it's a lucky toofer. They get the partisanship, but they also get the white supremacy that they seek. 00:31:46 Speaker 2: Oh, white supremacy. Well, Linda Lydia moynihan, who's been on this show, was on CNN and she has something to say about that. I thought it was a really good point. I want to shout it out SOT eleven. 00:31:58 Speaker 16: It is a little ironic. Woman who is likely going to win the ninth district in Tennessee is a black Republican women. As a result of this redistricting effort, It's likely going to be a black Republican woman who beats that old white man. 00:32:10 Speaker 4: Could I make this. 00:32:13 Speaker 2: Actually, we're going to come back to that. It's a great point, and that is true. The leading candidate for that seat is now going to be a black Republican woman. So much white supremacy going on in Memphis. It's just shocking. Really, it's shocking. It's just so obnoxious. It's always the same thing. 00:32:32 Speaker 5: It is like they have been run We've been running the same playbook at this point longer than almost anyone watching the show has been alive. Yep, it's been the same thing seventies, eighties, nineties. 00:32:44 Speaker 3: America's racist. 00:32:45 Speaker 5: They're going to bring back Jim Crow, They're going to bring back slavery, they're going to bring back all these things. It's obviously untrue at this point, it's comedically untrue. You're actually I think I think the stat is still true that you're more likely to have a black lawmaker representing a region that's not majority black with Republicans. 00:33:05 Speaker 3: Then with Democrats. 00:33:07 Speaker 2: That's good. 00:33:07 Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, it's like Tim Scott has won a statewide race in a state that's not majority black. 00:33:11 Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing. These are all retreads from the heyday of the civil rights movement, and it's about darned time. Listen. I'm not saying that we didn't have racism and white supremacy in the United States in the nineteen fifties and sixties, and some things were done to correct some of that, and guess what, some of it was a complete overstep and an overreach. It was extra constitutional, and some of those values were getting far enough away from the nineteen sixties that we finally woke up as a country. A new generation emerged that wasn't tied to old lessons that potentially went too far, and we woke up to some of those excesses. All right, that's a good thing. The recalibration, the defanging of the R word racist at everything is a good thing for the constitutional republic by which we stand, all right, for which we stand. I will tell you that this was one of Charlie's guiding lights. His guiding principle was that America is not a racist country. We're not a bad place. As a matter of fact, we are historically good and not racist. We are the antithesis of that. People have taken advantage of our generosity, they've taken advantage of our color blindness, and they have worked us like a bunch of suckers. Well, that era is coming to an end, I am proud to say, and you heard it directly from the Indiana State Senators elect. I think they're gonna be the future Indiana State Senators. That Charlie lit a fuse in them, they lit a fire, and that he inspired them to get off the sidelines, to get in those races and to take back power from the old GOP establishment that refused to fight for the voters. What did Charlie say more than anything, Well, he said a lot of things, but he said, we want a conservative party or Republican party that is as conservative as its voters. We are watching in real time. Yes, we have a lot of challenges, there's a lot of people that want to take us down. There's a lot of people that want to infiltrate the movement and discourage us, divide us. Well, guess what we are watching in real time the fruit of so many years of labor, and Charlie deserves so much credit for what you're seeing unfold right now, and it's really heartening to see. These are white pill after white pill moments. The gutting of the VRA, which was unconstitutional. We're gonna get a massive boost from that. In the House. You're seeing state senators in Indiana fight back. You're seeing the redrawing of the maps against absolute infantile tantrum throwing in Tennessee, against a tornado watch in Alabama. And you're seeing that the accusations, the slings and arrows of these radical race hucksters like Justin Pearson and Stacy Abrams are falling flat because we don't fall for it anymore. God bless the United States of America, and God bless all of you who helped make this happen. This is a proud day in our country. 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Danny, Who's up first? 00:37:46 Speaker 12: We got Kelsey first? 00:37:47 Speaker 2: All right, Kelsey, please ummute yourself and welcome to the show. Yes, Hi, guys, Hi Kelseys for calling in. 00:37:55 Speaker 10: Yeah, thank you, And if I may quickly say, happy anniversary, Erica beautiful. So the question I have for you is that an an organization that I like and I financially supported for years, sponsors and online voice who consistently produces disgusting slander against Erica. I'm torn because this organization does good, but I hate that they continue to support the liar, and I don't know if I should continue to give to the organization. What might Charlie say about the moral ambiguity in this situation, or is there something about how show sponsors work that I'm unaware of as a listener that could bring peace of mind that my money goes to the work of the ministry and not the pocket of who I believe to be an evil doer. 00:38:44 Speaker 3: Well, Andrew, you you do most of our work with the advertising. 00:38:47 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're talking about Preborn, I'm assuming. 00:38:53 Speaker 10: Yeah, I wasn't gonna name names, but. 00:38:54 Speaker 2: Yeah, I figured it was. I figured it was. I probably should have left it ambiguous as well, but I kind of assumed that's what because I've heard so much about it. Preborn is a is a sponsor of Candice Owen's show, and that is, I know, frustrating because they've been a sponsor of our show and for a long time, and we love the work that Preborn does, and you know, it's interesting. If it was a different category, then maybe I would feel more I guess, you know, one way or the other about it. But because it's saving babies, you know, God will use that which was meant for ill and he will use it to bless people. And you know that's a lesson that we get from Joseph in the Bible, and and I just I believe it right, and you know, God will use all things for his good and his glory, and and so we trust in that. And it's listen, it's saving babies. And if if, if that's one of the good things that comes out of that partnership, then I'm I'm I'm all for it, actually, And and I've thought hard about this, and I've thought, you know, should I make a fuss, Should I send emails or make phone call? And it's kind of like you know, and you to your other part of your question where you said, is there something about sponsorships that you're unaware of? Yeah, Sometimes you're locked in in contracts and you could get yourself into legal liability issues if you pull out of a contract without cause beforehand. Now the question is is their cause? I would venture to guess yes there is. But if you're locked into contractual terms, the easiest option is probably just to continue on. And when somebody has a large audience, which Candice does, there's no denying that she does, then you're probably gonna get a lot of you know, referrals, and so anyways, we want to bless babies more than we want some sort of you know, feud to take priority over that. And yeah, we didn't start the fight. She did, but at the same time, it's babies and I want more babies. 00:40:48 Speaker 5: What I would say, I would also add, even if we're not looking to pick a fight of that nature, if you feel strongly about it, I would encourage you to send them an email. You could say I have concerns, I might cease support or I might support you more if you were to make a different decision of this nature. People same less if they if they made that, and I know i've I don't. I wasn't able to find it on shortness, but I know some people have done that, and they have sent replies of that nature, basically saying, you know, we have tractual relationships. We do hear from people about this. You might you they're they're pretty frank, and they do. I think in their letter they mentioned you our chief goal is saving babies and we try to avoid waiting into fights of that nature. And I think that's I think that's a very good Christian point of view for them to take. 00:41:32 Speaker 2: Yeah, And again, if it was a different category, I'd probably be more upset because, like I said, they do sponsor this show, and we're grateful for their sponsorship. And that's not why I'm saying it. If, by the way, if I had a moral objection to one of our sponsors, we would have no problem being like, hey, this partnership is done. But again, it's saving babies and that's a huge thing. And so and they do a great job, by the way, they do a really good job, and they've really embraced technology and lead gen to find these moms, to work with the clinics to get where they're at in these urban cores a lot of times where a lot of other groups just simply aren't equipped to go, they don't have the resources to go. They go where it's hardest, they go where it's legally fraught, and so you know, I'm just I'm really proud of our relationship with them and Dan, Dan does a great job with that organization. So in general, I get your concern. In this case, I put that aside because the mission is too critical. So great, hope that is so sure your question? 00:42:31 Speaker 10: Yep, thank you? 00:42:33 Speaker 2: Who's next? Anthony. Anthony's back, our boy, Anthony, welcome back to the show. 00:42:40 Speaker 17: Thanks guys. How y'all doing. 00:42:41 Speaker 3: We're doing lovely. 00:42:42 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great dead that's good. 00:42:44 Speaker 17: Hopefully Andrew won't be doing good come Monday when my braze beat his Dodgers. 00:42:49 Speaker 2: Well, listen, the bats are coming back to life for us. So you know they went they went sleepy for a little while, record clubs, book cubs. I've gone on this home winning streak that's just insane, and they about lost a couple of times. They pull it out right again, almost like Game seven in the World Series when Miguel Rojas hit that home run. We're down one. 00:43:14 Speaker 17: What's that we lost? We lost our first series to the Mariners. We were ten zero to one in series this season going into Seattle. 00:43:21 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, well listen to Braves have a lot of talent. I'm not a huge fan of Atlanta in general. I think it's got too much traffic, too much corruption. They run elections like their a bunch of Somali pirates. But whatever, continue, what's your question, Anthony? 00:43:36 Speaker 17: All right, So my question is this, So what we just saw in Indiana with the state primaries, do you think that's gonna send a shockwave through the rest of the GOP. Not like it at every single level now, Like, hey, we've allowed you career Republicans to be in office for X amount of years at every level, you've now really haven't been working for the people. People are upset, and now we're just gonna primary you get y'all, do you think they're gonna start listening to this or are they just gonna push it to the side, like, well, this is just a little bit of a speed bump type thing. 00:44:10 Speaker 2: Well, so you're familiar with the expression or the term arbitrage, right, yes. I think what happened in Indiana was this arbitrage opportunity that has been missing from our formula on the conservative side because we focus so much on swing states and getting swing races over the finish line. And so what would happen is you'd get like these really conservative, dynamic people out of these swing districts because we were putting all these resources into candidate recruitment and base turnout. But what we left was all these deep red states that were getting you know, corrupt over time, They're getting soft over time, complacent over time, and so we would constantly complain that the Democrats had these these total fire breathers out of these deep blue states. They would send their most radical people from California, wherever. Meanwhile that our deep red states were getting softer inside, often more moderate, more moderate, because they the establishment Republicans became entrenched in power. The arbitrage comes when you realize you can primary these people and the voters are deeply unsatisfied with their product, their work product, and then all of a sudden, you're starting to see that states got the memo. This is why I think what you saw in Alabama happened when there's a tornado coming through. They got the memo, and they still pass the maps, despite the fact that the power shut off immediately after because the winds were so high. I mean, it was a dangerous situation, they still got those maps. 00:45:30 Speaker 5: I would like to add this the GOP establishment. It's the establishment because they hold offices and they hold power. And what we see is in stay after state they just there aren't these guys there anymore. They're losing office, they're losing power, they're retiring, they're being driven out, and eventually just there is no establishment to reassert control. 00:45:48 Speaker 3: And that's that's very hard to see. 00:45:49 Speaker 17: I'll be honest. At my GOP caucus in my town, we have a town board woman who went against the people on a solar farm. She had over four hundred people assigned their petition, Over sixty people were going to town board meetings, and she basically told the people, well, why should I not approve this because they filled out all the correct paperwork, so I should approve it. And I told her, in our cos mean to go. In any other GOP party in a strong state, you would have been censored immediately because you went against your constituents. I go, this is a town level and I created an uproar. And now from what I've been told is people in the caucus want to nominate me for being on the vetting process for our local candidates in my town's GOP. And I told them, I go, guys, I'm not afraid to rock the boat. You come after me, I don't care, well. 00:46:35 Speaker 2: Good for you. We need That's exactly what we need. We need people that stand on principle and that aren't cowed by a little complaining, because that's what they've done to us for years. They just complain. Shriek whale yell and we fold like a cheap suit. Not anymore. That era is gone. Who's next? We have Mark Mark, Mark yep Mark. Welcome to the show. Please ummute yourself. 00:46:57 Speaker 8: Hi, guys, can you hear me? 00:46:58 Speaker 2: Yes, sir, we can right on? 00:47:00 Speaker 8: Okay, real quick, guys, what is sock sock twenty five? When you say sock twenty five? 00:47:05 Speaker 2: Oh, socked, it's like clip sound on It sounds for sound on tape. Yeah, And it's just it's a video. It's a broadcast expression. 00:47:14 Speaker 8: Every time I hear that, I go, why does he keep? 00:47:16 Speaker 2: It? 00:47:16 Speaker 8: Just sounds like you say it sock. 00:47:20 Speaker 2: I sprought it up that people. I guess that makes sense that nobody knows what that term is outside of broadcasting. So yeah, no, that just means like throw the clip up. 00:47:28 Speaker 18: Yeah, because he used to say clips. Okay, I got that all the way. It was bugging me. 00:47:32 Speaker 8: Number two Gold Cubbies half my family in Chicago. 00:47:35 Speaker 2: There we go and I like watching them. They're fundl there. 00:47:39 Speaker 12: Like over half of their pitching staff has gotten hurt this year too. 00:47:42 Speaker 2: Like that's the whole epidemic. 00:47:43 Speaker 12: There are three their three best starting pitchers have gotten hurt. Two of them are out for the year. So if they get trade for some pitching at the deadline here, watch out, they might might win it again this year. 00:47:54 Speaker 2: Yeah ten years well, hold on, hold on, I want to talk about this really briefly. Mark, There isn't it but ep of pictures going down. 00:48:02 Speaker 3: Well, you see this. 00:48:03 Speaker 12: So I worked for Ohio States baseball team too, and we saw this. I saw this there as well, that like half of the pictures that we had would blow their arms out. With Tommy John, it's they're over using their arm because the new focus has been on velocity instead of command. So they're having these kids, starting at like twelve years old, just try and throw as hard as they possibly can, and their ligaments just can't take it by the time they reach high school. 00:48:25 Speaker 2: In college, John's is a pretty successful surgery, so these guys come back pretty strong, but it takes a year off. 00:48:31 Speaker 12: Yeah, We've had guys that have gotten it like four times. Tommy John, I don't know what ligaments are even pulling from. 00:48:36 Speaker 2: But yeah, exactly. 00:48:37 Speaker 5: I can't follow baseball super closely because the Twins have been sacrificed by their owners to just be a cash cow. 00:48:44 Speaker 3: That will be terrible forever. 00:48:45 Speaker 5: And so although technically they're competitive because the Ale Central it's the worst, it's the worst division in like the history of baseball, and so they might win it with you. 00:48:54 Speaker 3: Know, pifty record. 00:48:56 Speaker 12: Well the Indian is usually. 00:48:57 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, the Indian. We're calling them the. 00:49:03 Speaker 2: All right, what's your question? Mark? 00:49:05 Speaker 8: Okay, So here's the thing. It's more of I think of a statement. 00:49:09 Speaker 18: I think that, especially with your high school in college chapters, I think that we need to create a storyline. And the cool thing about our position right now, the Republican position versus in my opinion, I call them the democratic communists. 00:49:24 Speaker 8: That party. 00:49:26 Speaker 18: Yes, I know there are moderate Democrats, but what the party has become, it really has become authorititorium, authoritarian and in my opinion communists. But the thing that they do well is they actually create a storyline and they stick to it. In my opinion, one of the things that I think that we do poorly is creating a storyline. For instance, Iran, that Iran war is a pain, but the long term effects of that. I've heard a couple of your students come on and they complain about that. But the law long term effects if that pans out, where we can remove all of their nuclear or nuclear arms. Not to mention forcing China to pay retail for oil. That weakens them militarily, and it actually strengthens us from a manufacturing point of view, because we can't beat slave labor in China. But if we increase China's ability to the cost of their manufacturing by forcing them to pay retail on oil, right, not to mention Venezuela. 00:50:32 Speaker 2: Well, it's just it's not just the price they pay, by the way mark, it's the fact that, yeah, they've been getting cut rate oil from Venezuela and Iran for a long time. We've taken that off the board, but it's also the where the money flow is going. So that money, even though it's discounted, it's flowing into the coffers of Iran, It's flowing into the coffers of Maduro at the time. Now that's no longer happening. It's actually going into a peaceful country that wants to work with us and be a part of you know, civilization. Right and so right, what was happening in Venezuela is becoming a playground for the Russians, the Cubans, the Chinese. Yes, that's off the board. 00:51:08 Speaker 8: Now, yes, And this is my point. 00:51:11 Speaker 18: I want what I would like you guys to do, and start with your high school and college chapters, is help them understand the long term. And one of the ways that you do that is you give them I call you know, you call the sales pitch a storyline. The benefit, the beauty of where we are is we don't need to lie. We don't need to create a line of propaganda like the communists do. We need to actually just explain to them the truth. And so this is why our position is strong. But this is why I'm so worried about the midterms right because these state elections bug me. And every time I hear I just feel I just got a bad vibe. I don't want to be doom schooling and you know, getting all bombed out of here. But basically, I don't want to lose any more elections because if we do, we're at a critical critical point here, and I just feel that our message needs to be stronger as to the long term up fact of what we are doing. 00:52:07 Speaker 2: What you're saying, I get what you're saying, Blake. Do you do you have a thought here? 00:52:11 Speaker 17: No? 00:52:11 Speaker 3: It makes it. 00:52:12 Speaker 5: It's always it's always a struggle. It's a struggle. Messaging intelections is always hard. And we know President Trump has a almost he's an extreme natural at it, but a lot of people Charlie was a great natural at it. 00:52:25 Speaker 3: But it's a huge challenge. 00:52:26 Speaker 5: Otherwise politics would be a lot easier than it is, and you're going against opponents who are also good at it. 00:52:30 Speaker 2: Uh. 00:52:32 Speaker 5: I I do feel we have something of an advantage and that I do think the left is getting over time more nakedly awful. I feel like we're a lot more likely today to see left wingers who will just celebrate, for example, Charlie's murder. They'll gloat about really nasty stuff. They'll celebrate Luigi. They are producing guys like this arsonist in California, and they're they're doing some work for us in terms of embrace seen the most destructive, nastiest parts of their impulse. And we're also saying this, let's be frank with some of the most nasty people on our side are the ones who are also saying, oh, actually we need to team up with the left to bring down this administration. 00:53:13 Speaker 3: And I think that's helping us. 00:53:14 Speaker 12: So the new thing is like the burn it all down politics, where yeah, acceleration. Yeah, students think they can just burn it all down and we'll build up from scratch, when that's never been the case. So you really have to kind of show them how that's not possible, that's never been possible, that you're only going to make that's perpetually worse. 00:53:30 Speaker 2: Well, and here's what I will say. We've tried to make that point. This could be politically damaging in the short term the Iran conflict, and absolutely the right call geopolitically. In the long term, it could end up blessing this country for generations, and I agree with you. We need to do a better job of communicating that while also not frothing at the mouth for you know, war, because we don't want that either. All Right, everybody, I'm so excited about telling you about our friends at Alliance Defending Freedom eighty F is dedicated to advancing free speech, religious freedom, and sanctity of life, parental rights and God's designed for marriage and family. They've scored huge legal victories like helping to topple Roe v. 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Please support them all right, who's next? We have Anne, Anne, Welcome to the Charlie Kirkshaw. Please umute yourself so. 00:55:18 Speaker 4: Before I get my question and I wanted to say, I really loved what you did with Charlie and Erica today. That just makes me so sad and I feel so bad about you guys and Erica. So happy universary to Erica. 00:55:30 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:55:30 Speaker 4: And the other thing before I got to buy question was I really liked what Anthony was talking about, and I wondered if he was discussing whether this is going to be a scare for all the other legislators, and he was talking about the state, and I was just wondering if you guys thought that the federal you know, people were having problems within the Senate and you know in the House, but do you think that what's been going on with Indiana is going to give us scared to them? Because I'm always thinking about the Save America Act. It was just a little addition to my question. 00:56:05 Speaker 5: We can hope, we can hope it's always tougher. I mean, senators they serve six years, they are they always got where they are by having a big base of power. I mean, we look at Lindsey Graham. People have wanted to unseat Lindsay Graham for ages, but he's been around a long time, he's got he's very. 00:56:22 Speaker 3: Good at politics. 00:56:22 Speaker 5: He's good at getting Trump support, he's good at getting institutional support. And they're older, they can kind of care a little bit less. It's just tough for a lot of money too. 00:56:32 Speaker 2: I will tell you look at Texas with Paxton in Corn and Corn it's a effort that has been a thorn in Trump's side. But the national apparatus, the Senate apparatus, if you go to like Fox News, all these guys going Fox News. So we need corn, and we need corn and we need corn, and the base doesn't like him nearly as much. Paxton is winning in that race, and yet they're gonna dump one hundred to one hundred and fifty million dollars in a Republican primary. This isn't to beat Dems. This is what they're spending to beat a fellow Republican who's more popular with the base in that stay. 00:57:02 Speaker 3: It's just challenging. 00:57:03 Speaker 5: State level Republicans are more responsive to the base as a rule. This is one reason we like more local types of government. They are more responsive to people. That's why a lot of the you know, the first wave of us turning the tide on Wolk was school board elections, local parents in their local schools. 00:57:19 Speaker 3: But you had another question. What's that question? 00:57:22 Speaker 4: Yeah, So I'm concerned about I think everybody is. And there was another question just before me actually about this. I'm concerned about the direction of where a lot of the podcasters are going. They've basically pivoted one hundred and eighty degrees through pro Islam and anti Trump, you know which I don't. I think we all agree that they were sort of not doing that while Charlie was alive, and now they're suddenly doing it. And when I was watching the TPUSA event with Michael Knowles and Matt Walsh, Michael has said this, I've heard it several times in his podcast that he doesn't think it's really a concern about these podcasters because it's really just online. But I think that's Naiven ignores that young people are listening to this, and you know, these are people that Charlie fought so hard to get and helped us win the last election. And I also heard Amy Kozak say that he went to Amfest and he was really surprised because he ran into some young people who really look favorably on Nick Fuentes and his type of America. First and he said they were receptive to counterpoints and he was able to sort of try to pivot them back. So basically, I was going to say, I think you guys need to I think you need to address this more. I know you've probably been trying to stay out of the pray, especially with the canvas stuff, but I think this has always been a podcast that you know, has been trying to at least reach the young people, and I think you need to address that. And I also wondered what you're doing to counter these kinds of malicious messages then the high school and college chapters, because one of the things Matt Walls said, which was really a great answer, was you know, you're right, the Republicans aren't necessarily doing what we want, but when you look at the alternative, the alternative is so much more. 00:59:12 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:59:13 Speaker 3: Of course, of course, Danny, you wanted to say something. 00:59:16 Speaker 12: Yeah, the best way to just go about this is to expose these people for not having principles themselves, because you see them flip flop all the time. What we've seen with students, especially is talking to him, is that they actually what makes it click with them more than anything else is if you actually show them clips of somebody or writings from somebody that they alternate what they hate more than anything as hypocrisy. These students. The example is Flintess. We have a clip from him a week ago. If we want to throw that up, basically saying that Democrats want us all dead, we could play that. Well, that's the tweet. So we have a tweet from him saying that he's basically going to vote Democrats, support Democrats, and then literally one week ago he put out this clip. 00:59:59 Speaker 19: You know what a lot of He's Israel critical counter Semitic influencers do not realize is that the left wants to kill us, like they literally want us dead, and they will work to effectuate that. They want to silence us, they want us debag deplatformed, and ultimately they would prefer if we all just died. 01:00:21 Speaker 12: So that was what a week ago, that was April twenty seven, Okay, throw the tweet back up. Then then this tweet was yesterday yesterday, and it says the Republicans totally betray their voters and broke every single promise. So I'm switching sides and voting Democrats. So he's voting for the side that he just decide that he says wants us dead, and I think I think you are. Yeah, And so I sent this to a bunch of my friends who follow fwent to us and think he's funny, more of like a meme culture type thing. And even they were like, yeah, I don't really I can't get along with this guy anymore because and more than anything, like, I feel like I'm being lied to when no one has set principles and you keep changing up all the time and lying just to get clicks. Whatever is the new thing. 01:01:00 Speaker 5: This was the thing that gave Charlie a lot of power over time, because Charlie got stronger and stronger the more time went on. And one of the things that helped in the most was how genuine Charlie was at all times. Even though Charlie changed his positions, he was very good at owning his change of positions and he wasn't a weather vane where he'd switch one week to the next or switch and then switch back. He evolved and people could recognize that, and it made him people really like him. But what's happening with a lot of these other influencers like Nick, and they're very talented people. If you watch a one days stream. He's incredibly funny. He's very they're they're very good at holding an audience in the moment, but they are also they're they're kind of slaves to getting attention as opposed to values. So they're they're willing to just say outrageous things because it will get attention, and they're very combative over like market share, and so they tend to feud with each other. That's also a very funny thing. So you have Dan Bilzeri and another one of these guys is now saying nick fent nick quit is a fed. Whether he is or not, they're always accusing each other of these things and feuding. And I think you're correct that people they're not idiots. They notice these things. If they're paying attention. 01:02:10 Speaker 12: You're not going to reason with them just straight up on facts. The best way to reason, especially with college students these days and high school students, is you have to actually show the hypocrisy to their face. And until you do that, your mate basically just wasting your tea. 01:02:23 Speaker 2: And I want to say one other thing too, And I think I get frustrated with because there's a lot of you know, ink that's been spilled in the press about you know, whether you know the great perifocation or whatever they call it, of turning point is a very important distinction here. So basically, if you break down fentis his main two kind of driving impulses. That's about the I guess what would you call it, the the changing demographics of the United States, the loss of the white population or whatever. Right, and then Israel. So one place where I can say that we are firmly not in alignment is on it Israel. Right, you know, Listen, we have geopolitical differences with the state of Israel, with bb Net and Yahoo about war all that stuff, but that doesn't mean that we scapegoat Jewish people, and we actually you know, have we don't hate them, right. Jew Hate is a scapegoating that is evil and ancient, and it's a road to nowhere. It's a road to destruction. Charlie was very much against it. But like two people misunderstand the immigration aspect of that conversation. So somewhere where where our students are probably hearing us and heard Charlie, is that we want an immigration moratorium in this country. We've had too much. It's too much, and so some of these kids are really sympathetic to that argument because they see the fruits of that after a couple generations, and they agree with us on it. But the outside observer might understand that as like, oh, it sounds like groper language. Well, actually, just turns out that we've just had too much immigration and we want that to stop because we're getting transformed the erasure of American culture. 01:03:53 Speaker 3: Go ahead, blads, No, I mean, allow. 01:03:54 Speaker 5: Me to add before we go, since she asked it at the top. I will die before I start simping for Islam. Oh yeah, talk aboutation is what's unacceptable for the West. 01:04:03 Speaker 3: It is an alien and is a bad It's a bad religion. It is a false. 01:04:06 Speaker 12: Religion, and they want us all dead too. 01:04:08 Speaker 2: Yeah. I totally disagree with any sort of sympathies for Islam. Yes, you on the micro you will meet nice Muslim people on the macro. They are here to conquer us. It is completely incompatible with Western civilization. There's a reason they don't. They don't the reverence for the state, and they worship past the state. They point to Mecca when they pray. Their loyalties are not with the state. 01:04:30 Speaker 5: There's a reason there are fifty majority Muslim countries and they're not moving to them. 01:04:34 Speaker 2: All right. Next question we have Elizabeth. 01:04:38 Speaker 8: Oh, Hi, Danny, Hi, Andrew, how are you today? 01:04:42 Speaker 2: Hello? 01:04:44 Speaker 4: Okay, So I thought I would try and do something that I think would be a fun question. 01:04:49 Speaker 8: Socrates drank the hemlock. 01:04:51 Speaker 4: Do you agree or disagree with what he did? 01:04:53 Speaker 2: All right? 01:04:54 Speaker 5: Oh, that's a very fun question. We haven't got one like that, all right. First of all, if you guys know what she's talking about, yes. 01:05:00 Speaker 2: We should give give the Okay, I explain it for Daniel, but for others, that's it's a great way to do it. 01:05:07 Speaker 5: So Socrates, of course, famous ancient Greek philosopher, probably he's kind of the first famous philosopher in history. 01:05:15 Speaker 2: In ancient Athens, Charlie employed the Socratic method, Yes. 01:05:18 Speaker 3: The Socratic mend. 01:05:19 Speaker 5: He's the name of the Socratic method, which is the idea of going back and forth asking questions to find clarity or drill down find holes in an argument. And they're called that because Plato a student of Socrates. He wrote these dialogues where Socrates is usually the main character. Plato's Republic, which a lot of you have heard of, that is a very long Socratic dialogue about government, and so people will assert things like this is how a government should be run, and Socrates is kind. 01:05:43 Speaker 3: Of this annoying guy. 01:05:44 Speaker 5: He starts asking questions that pick away at it. And there's many of these dialogues. But famously, what happened to Socrates in real life is he annoyed enough people in Athens with his questions that they put him on trial on charges of impiety. He was asking questions about the the gods of the city. They accused him of corrupting the youth with his ideas and possibly other things. They were Greek, and they put him on trial. He defended himself, but notably an aspect of it that's important is he could have probably saved himself if he had apologized, or if he'd asked for mercy. But in the story in the dialogue Plato's apology, which we think is likely an accurate version roughly of how he did defend himself, he basically just he doesn't back down from his positions about what he believes, and when they find him guilty and they are in the sentencing phase, he gets to propose what his penalty should be. And he could have said I think I should be exiled rather than killed, and instead he memorably proposes I should be given free lunches from the city for life because I've helped you all think better. The jury did not take kindly to that, so they were going to sence him to Basically, he either could be executed or he could drink the hemlock, a poisonous drink, and he could kill himself. And I think he even had I'm going off memory. I think he might have even had an opportunity to escape. But he declines to do this. He thought this would not be morally becoming. He would accept his fate for what he did. Now, obviously, as Christians, we don't approve of suicide generally, but I think there is generally a place for if it's like that, or if you're basically being ordered to do it, forced to do it, and maybe you have to do it to save other people, then there can be some marginal opportunities there opportunities in a good way. But like we're understanding of people who are forced to well, this is pre Christian, and he's also pre Christian. He is not in a Christian world. Christ had not come. He was not in the Jewish context. 01:07:42 Speaker 2: And by the way, unlike the Left, we don't judge historical figures and heroes based on current understandings of moral principles, for example, like we the left does with Thomas Jefferson and slavery, et cetera, et cetera. 01:07:53 Speaker 5: You know, one of the most interesting things about Socrates, by the way, is in his dialogues, he speaks about that he kind of has a voice that speaks to him. I think he calls it his demon, and this is one of the reasons they accused him of heresy. He seemed he basically claimed he had this private God talking to him all the time. And it's interesting to think about that because Socratic philosophy, Platonic philosophy had such a huge impact on Christianity. If you read early Christian thinkers in the days of the Roman Empire in the two hundreds, the three hundreds, the four hundreds, a lot of them are channeling Greek philosophy. They actually had this thought was Greek philosophy was Platonic philosophy sort of enabled by God as a way for us to explain the Trinity, to. 01:08:36 Speaker 2: Explain by the way nation, And there's a lot of people that believe that Alexander the Great, for example, who united so much of the known world at the time and created all the roads and the systems of roads, that that really enabled the spreading of the Gospel to be good. So there's a lot of one the Greeks did that enabled the spread. 01:08:52 Speaker 8: Written in the. 01:08:53 Speaker 5: New Testament is written in Greek. Why was everyone speaking Greek across the Near East because of Alexander the Great? Because of these Greek peoples. What is the version of the New Testament that or the version of the Old Testament that was used in ancient times is still used by the Greek Orthodox Church. When we had that Orthodox priest on they used the septuagen which was translated by a group of seventy rabbis at the command of a Greek ruler in Egypt. And so it's interesting to think about all of those things with Socrates that there may have been a providential role even in this person who's not in the Bible, who's not a biblical figure, and yet played such a pivotal role over the course of history on Christian thought, on the spread of Christianity. 01:09:34 Speaker 2: Around There was a reason that the Romans really admired the Greeks, so it was like the Greeks were the apex of philosophical thought and order and those sorts of things, and the Romans always felt like this was a cheap, knockoff version of it, at least in historians tend to agree. But that's a very interesting aspect of Roman culture, of how much they elevated Greek culture in their own. 01:09:57 Speaker 5: Yeah, and so Socrates, I think I would. I would certainly support him standing fast for his principles to the point of death. And we certainly know that Charlie wouldn't endorse that as well. Charlie was pro bravery, Charlie was pro thought. Charlie was a very pro Socratic method. And so if you want to learn a lot, obviously you want to study the Bible, but another set of ancient texts you can go very far studying. 01:10:23 Speaker 3: You should read Plato's dialogue. 01:10:25 Speaker 2: Give him, give him a couple books to read. 01:10:27 Speaker 5: Well, the one, the one to start with. The apology is what it's called. It's like apologetics, that's where it comes from. The he's giving a defense of himself. This is one of the most authentic Platonic dialogues we think we think it may actually reflect what Socrates said, like they possibly wrote it down. The Republic is a famous one, the Symposium. 01:10:45 Speaker 3: There's a is. 01:10:46 Speaker 2: There any good like synopsis or a book? Modern books that kind of break it all down make it easier. 01:10:52 Speaker 5: To there probably are, although come on, let's let's tell let's challenge people. The apology is not long. 01:10:56 Speaker 3: You could read it in a not long amount of time. 01:10:58 Speaker 5: Let's go go read some Greek philosophy MH. 01:11:04 Speaker 2: For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to Charlikirk dot com