Why Britain Is On the Brink of a Revolution

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So I think we're all excited you're actually gonna be moderating some discussions. 00:01:54 Speaker 4: So I believe I've any just just found this out, maybe a few days acause well, I'm really excited we've all in. I think I've got three debates to moderate, including some pretty neuralgic difficult topics. I think there's one on one on God. You don't get harder than that, and there's one on Israel. And I think they thought, well, who are going to give the hospital pass to let's let's send it to the brit Who cares if he plays up? 00:02:20 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. 00:02:21 Speaker 3: It's not like you have your own reputation to worry about here, doctor, or you of course are very. 00:02:27 Speaker 2: Active with reform in the UK. How things gone over there? 00:02:32 Speaker 4: Things are going extremely well. In fact, in many ways there isn't really a historical precedent for how well reformed UK is doing well. What we're witnessing is really the emergence for the first time in the history of British politics, a new party of the right that is credible, that has increasingly well, very strong popular support. I think we've been leading at about a one hundred and sixty polls poll after poll. We've made some amazing incursions electorally back in May sweat the local elections. Looks like we're going to do extremely well in Wales and in Scotland. So the energy is extraordinary. The moment where we're sometimes polling higher than the combined polling of the Labor Party and the Conservative Party, the two historic parts. 00:03:19 Speaker 5: I want to highlight that that they've had a few different parties towards the left end of the politic. They used to have the Liberals and they're still around, but they're small and they got replaced by Labor. But the Conservatives, and before them the Tories, they're olders. In America, there was a I believe it was a Tory prime minister when the American Revolution were absolutely and they've been the party of government typically in Britain for three hundred years, and it might all go down in flames. 00:03:45 Speaker 3: Well, and you know, are we still a first question, what's the animating factor? 00:03:51 Speaker 4: Well, I think for the one in very important animating factor was a negative one, namely just the routine betrayal and competence of successive laboring Tory governments over certainly over the last twenty five years, over the Tory period. You know, the Conservatives let in in the last in their last parliament from sort of twenty nineteen to twenty twenty four, more legal and illegal migrants than we've seen in our history. Why well, all sorts of complicated reasons behind it. But I think part of the problem was a belief in the dogma of the Treasury that the British economy will collapse if we don't keep the Ponzi scheme going, if we don't keep bringing in hundreds of thousands, indeed millions. 00:04:39 Speaker 2: Of people to help to help prop up the prop. 00:04:41 Speaker 4: Up the economy and do the jobs that Brits don't want to do. It's the same old story. 00:04:46 Speaker 5: Well so appalling just because you did the Biden wave of except they call it Boris way of there and it was I think higher than Biden's level of immigration when you adjusted for the cybluation, untry and with a right wing government. They've had only right of cen governments in the UK until Starmar from twenty ten to last year, and they did the full open borderspiel from the right. 00:05:08 Speaker 4: That's exactly right, and so that's I think that's the first thing that's really driving support for US because reform has been very very clear on migration from the very beginning. It's very clear on the fiscal suicide of net zero and the need to get some energy independence and energy sovereignty. It's been very clear on questions. 00:05:27 Speaker 2: Of free speech. 00:05:29 Speaker 4: We had the passing of the Online Safety Act just just a few months ago, and this is this is really a censorship charter, using the wedge of trying to get some statutory protection for children online, but folded into that enormous piece of legislation was effectively at measures and tools that equip our offcom our media regulator with enormous powers to censor, and even substack is now having to censor certain articles to apply with the legislation. 00:06:01 Speaker 5: I think even I think even x anounced today that they just said some of our material is going to have to be taken down in Europe and you have to watch out for what you post, because. 00:06:10 Speaker 2: Well, you're all in. But we can't defy these last just yet. 00:06:13 Speaker 4: The European Union is developing its own kind of censorship chafter that is even more draconian, and it's it's you know, it's extraordinary what's happening. And so we're very committed to getting free speech right if we ever got got got got into power, and it's quite straightforward to do it. There's just just a few provisions and a few acts here and there that need to be amended or clarified or simply repealed, and that could have an enormous downstream effect on the culture of freedom. 00:06:43 Speaker 5: You guys are so largely in Britain, they just have supremacy of parliament. They can essentially just if you have a majority, you can pass any law you want on anything, but I want to on the free speech thing. H Can you talk about the islamophobia definition that's been going on in the past couple of days. 00:06:59 Speaker 2: That's another Yeah. 00:07:00 Speaker 4: So this has been a long running debate in the public square over the last few years in Britain, and there's been a big push on the left and now with the Labor Party, which has an enormous majority in the House of Commons, to effectively legislate a different definition and protect or rather protect any anyone who feels themselves to be a victim of Islamophobia. And so there's been a lot of back and forth and actually Parliament has been working very well, has been excellent Tory MPs who've been getting up and pointing out just whatdd an incursion on freedom of speech and freedom of religion this definition would be because effectively, what they're trying to do is to allied sort of beliefs with identity. And so the thought is that you know, to be a Muslim is to have is to have a particular identity, rather than to have that identity and virtue of subscribing to a set of set of beliefs, beliefs that plainly can be criticized in any freedomocracy, and indeed and should be criticized, should be open to criticism. But so the government's back down is trying to tweak the definition and now it's something like anti Muslim, anti Muslim hatred or anti Muslim. Yeah, I think it's anti Muslim hatred. And the problem with that is it just you know, it just bakes in the problem. 00:08:15 Speaker 2: If they have an anti white hatred. 00:08:17 Speaker 4: They technically yes, policy technically yes, I mean there is all of this sort of exists under the equality legislation, but this would be a special provision to be a special protection. 00:08:27 Speaker 2: Which where they're. 00:08:28 Speaker 4: Trying to say by shifting to anti Muslim hate as opposed to Islamophobia, we've kind of solved the problem, but we don't, because again the assumption is there that's somehow to be a Muslim is to be a member of a race or to be a member of an ethnic group, which plainly you're not. You're a Muslim just if you can do the Shahada three times or whatever it might be, you could the three of us could become Muslims on the next half hour. It's completely nothing to do with our ethnicity or race. 00:08:52 Speaker 5: I'm looking at the latest draft definition and it includes as something that would be banned the prejudicial stereotyping and racialization of muslim to stir up hatred against them. That just strikes me as an incredibly broad stereotyping of Muslims. 00:09:06 Speaker 2: To say there's a. 00:09:08 Speaker 5: Common trait that a lot of Muslims have. 00:09:11 Speaker 4: Well, I think that what you would have to say to speak to a trait that a lot of Muslims have is you'd have to pick out some doctrinal commitment, you know, some belief that should be contestable in a free democracy. It's not. There's nothing distinctive ethnically or racially distinctive about being Muslim. As we said, it's simply whether or not you sign up to a belief system. And so what it's doing is it's protecting that belief system, protecting the identity that you have in virtue of signing up to the belief. 00:09:41 Speaker 5: It's an ideological belief. And then you say you can't stereotype a belief system, well what is? 00:09:46 Speaker 2: What is it? 00:09:47 Speaker 6: Then? 00:09:47 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, but what about you know, genital mutilation of young girls. That tends to be something that happens in Muslim African nations. What about the grooming gangs you know that tend to be centralized within a particular immigrant group that happened to be Muslims. So then all this stuff, all of a sudden, these get very sticky. 00:10:09 Speaker 4: Yes, these topics, absolutely right. I mean what's interesting about that is that ironically, this legislation could make people think that criticism about grooming gangs or criticism about female genital mutilation is something somehow a widespread shared is Islamic belief, but it's not. It's actually you know, certainly the grooming gangs come from very particular area of Pakistan, and FGM is localized in parts of Sub Saharan Africa. 00:10:37 Speaker 7: This is Lane Schoenberger, chief investment Officer and founding partner of y REFI. It has been an honor and a privilege to partner with Turning Point and for Charlie to endorse us. His endorsement means the world to us, and we look forward to continuing our partnership with Turning Point for years to come. Now hear Charlie in his own words, tell you about why REFI. 00:10:57 Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you guys about hyrefight dot com. That is why are e f y dot com. Hy refi is incredible private student loan debt in America told us about three hundred billion dollars. Hy refy is refinancing distress or defaulted private student loans. 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I teach graduates students PhD students, so I love doing that, but I have another day job now, where as senior advisor to Nigel Farage, Leader Reform UK, and and we are all expecting our next prime minister and twenty twenty nine, well, twenty million nine is the latest that the election can be called, and I'm not sure the country can last that long, but it's possible that the government will fall before that. We're good at getting very good at getting rid of prime ministers. Getting rid of governments is a lot harder. Yeah, Okay, Turkeys don't vote for Christmas, which you have to vote for the government to fall, even if they hate the head Turkey. Yeah, yeah, exactly, we do do. 00:12:39 Speaker 3: We do Turkey at Christmas too, but it's more of a thanks. I don't know, all right, No, stra damis or when would you predict that we're actually going to be able to vote again in the UK? Is it going to be twenty twenty nine or you predict before? 00:12:53 Speaker 4: Well, I mean the first thing to say is that we've got what Nigel is calling our mid terms sort of an American phrase, but we have got a big set of regional local devolved elections next May, so the whole of Wales gets to vote for its local parliament. Same in Scotland. And then there's thousands of seats around Greater London and all around England that are going to be up for grabs, and we're expecting a turquoise tsunami. We're expecting a reform UK to do extremely well in all of those elections, and that will be the last time that the British people get to express their democratic will before the next general election. The latest that can be constitutionally is the first week of August twenty twenty nine, and it could be that Kirstarmer many people don't think he's going to be Prime Minister for that much longer, but whatever whoever, his success would have until the first week of August twenty twenty nine. But it could be that something happens before that. We're expecting a recession, we're expecting perhaps a very tight credit squeeze before twenty twenty nine, so it's not impossible that we'd be looking at a general election twenty twenty seven. I think I'm probably more inclined to say it's going to be twenty twenty nine. I think the last one hundred years the British government's fallen maybe once. You know, when you change Prime Minister, you don't change the British government. You just change the leader of the party who's got the majority in Parliament. 00:14:12 Speaker 5: And it just seems to me, I can't figure out why Labor would call an election just to get killed the whole power. 00:14:19 Speaker 4: While you have it exactly as they said earlier. You know, Turkeys don't vote for Christmas, even if they hate their head Turkey, which they do. And indeed, the whole of the British left is the Turkey, the whole pretty bland definitely. But yeah, the whole of the British left now is really cannibalizing itself. It's it's splintering off into all kinds of different movements. We've seen for the first time ever, really the Green Party now getting into well into double digits in the polls. 00:14:44 Speaker 5: Could we get Green versus reform as it's not unthinkable, it's. 00:14:48 Speaker 3: Not on especially what we have in the United States, Maga versus Mandani, right. 00:14:54 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean so it's very very interesting seeing the parallels between somebody like Mandani and Zach Polanski, who is this the new leader of the Green Party, and it's growing very very fast as a party. 00:15:07 Speaker 2: It's easy. 00:15:07 Speaker 4: I think you only paid like five pounds to get in, so it probably be quite easy to to do some entryism and maybe hijack the Green Party. But as far as we're concerned, it's it's it's fantastic. You know, may may many flowers on the British left bloom because it's basically fracturing the vote between you know, you've got you know, sort of the focus on well, I mean, there are focus on the crescent, you might say, there's that, there's a focus on the rainbow, there's a focus on the. 00:15:34 Speaker 2: Star with the old socialists. 00:15:36 Speaker 4: So it's this is not going to not get to work out well, and and the cracks are emerging. The Parliamentary Labor Party is very welfareist, very very statist. Starmer tried to get a tiny little haircut five billion pounds off our ballooning three hundred billion pounds a year welfare bill and he couldn't get it through even though he had a majority in Parliament of about one hundred and seventy five seats. So and then that's the most, you know, just just a very very tiny, very very small exercise of kind of restraining our public expenditure. So yeah, things things are not looking good on that side of on that on that side of British politics, and on the right, yes, that they're supposed to. So they're also figures popping up. There's a Tommy Robinson's groupe at Low's, there's ben Hepbeves. It's really interesting figures on the right. So it's not like we're completely unified, but that's where the energy is. I think there's a feeling that that's where the policy energy is, that's where the people are, it's where the best ideas are fizzing on the right. 00:16:41 Speaker 5: So we just discussed with Steve Dais and our last guest about the recurring Republican problem of elect people to restrict immigration or do other bold things, and they just get these feed of Clay in office. So I suppose one obvious concern is reform wins the landslide twenty seven or twenty nine. Do they have the stone to go through with a big immigration cutback or moratorium or are there big sweeping things or is there going to be a lot of are people going to worse out at the at the brink. 00:17:10 Speaker 4: Yeah, somebody told me, I think it was about a year ago that the process, there's a name for that process, what happens to you as you go in and the melonification malonification, which I think actually in retrospect is probably unfair to Georgia and Maloney who is reputed to have come in with talking tough on migration and then actually folded as soon as she as soon as she got in. But actually I think if you look at her numbers, what she's done, her track record, it's been pretty impressive. So it's going to be very, very challenging. We're going to be up against one of them, you know, one of the most effective blobs as it were, as you call it in England in the world, is enormous inertia, huge resistance probably to almost all of our program despite we're having widespread popular support across all the different parties getting regaining control of our borders. So it's going to be extremely difficult. We're going to be up against the judicial industrial complex, the human rights. 00:18:02 Speaker 2: I'm very fascinated. 00:18:03 Speaker 3: That was actually my question about legally, what are you guys going to because we trump gets stopped at every judge, every district judge with a gavel in a robe, and I can only imagine, just knowing the nature somewhat of the English intelligensia, that you're going to be up against a real stiff fight. 00:18:24 Speaker 1: Look, I know there are a lot of choices when it comes through who you choose for your cell phone service. 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Good to be with you. 00:20:03 Speaker 2: Yeah, honored to be with you. 00:20:05 Speaker 3: You're also joined by doctor James Or from Cambridge and this is an issue near and dear to his heart as well. So we're going to have a fun, well not of fun. It's a serious and important conversation. You have been traveling around interviewing persecuted Christians in South Asia, and I think a lot of people a lot of discussion right now is about Nigeria. This is kind of if you're going to talk about this topic, that's where you're focused on. But you know there are other areas of the world that we need to be aware of where Christians are being persecuted actively. Right now, please tell us about some of your stories out of South Asia. 00:20:39 Speaker 8: Yeah, one of the things we heard repeatedly in South Asia was stories of Christians being affected by the anti conversion laws in India. So multiple states now twelve states in India have past laws that make it illegal to change your religion and illegal to encourage someone else to. 00:20:57 Speaker 6: Change their religion. 00:20:59 Speaker 8: So right now there are dozens of pastors in prison under these anti conversion laws. And one of the interesting things is the inducement, the idea of inducing someone to change their faith is illegal. We actually had an interview and we've aired it now on Voice the Martist Radio with a human rights attorney who is talking about if you set up donuts and coffee before your church service, the government can come in and say, hey, that's an illegal inducement. You're giving donuts and coffee away, You're tricking people into changing their religion. That's the kind of silliness that these laws are based on. Here's the other thing, though, it is not illegal to reconvert someone to Hinduism. In fact, an Indian member of parliament just in the last few weeks has presided over what they call a reconversion ceremony, reconverting people back to Hinduism. 00:21:50 Speaker 6: They can do that by force. 00:21:52 Speaker 8: But if a Christian invites you to church, if the Christian gives you donuts and coffee, that's an illegal inducement to change your religion. 00:22:00 Speaker 2: Wow. 00:22:01 Speaker 3: So twelve states had to look this up. There's twenty eight states in India, so we're at nearly half of the country of India. It is now legal And I don't know population, you know, at what percentage of the population that would make up, But that that is striking, especially for a British former British run colony, if you will. 00:22:21 Speaker 2: But so. 00:22:24 Speaker 3: When did that start changing? I'm curious when did that those laws start passing. 00:22:28 Speaker 6: Well, they really took a lot of momentum. 00:22:31 Speaker 8: When Prime Minister Modi, who has come out of this Hindu nationalist movement called the RSS. 00:22:38 Speaker 6: That is his background. 00:22:39 Speaker 8: He's the Prime Minister of the whole country of India and so he has brought that philosophy to. 00:22:44 Speaker 6: The highest levels of the Indian government. 00:22:46 Speaker 8: Now they have talked about a national anti conversion law. So far that has not happened, but there are individual states where they have passed these anti conversion laws. 00:22:56 Speaker 6: And you know, when they talk about. 00:22:57 Speaker 8: It, it sounds like a good idea, like, hey, we don't want people to be bribed or forced to change their religion. And I think all of us would say, yeah, that's true, we don't want that. But then, like I say, when you get to what the law actually says, and some of the laws, there's one state that says, if you want to change your religion, you need to go before a magistrate and say that you're going to change your religion. And if you want to talk to someone else about changing their religion what us Christians would call evangelism, you need to go before a magistrate six months before you have that conversation, and you need to appear and say, hey, in six months, I'm going to talk to my neighbor about coming to church with me. 00:23:37 Speaker 6: I just want to get your okay, mister magistrate. And it's like you read that and you're like that that's ludicrous. No one could do that, No one would do that. Yes, exactly. 00:23:46 Speaker 8: So when you have that conversation, then they can come in and say, well, hey, six months ago you didn't go to the magistrate. 00:23:51 Speaker 6: That was illegal. You're going off to jail. 00:23:54 Speaker 2: You've you know. 00:23:56 Speaker 3: It kind of makes me think of this story that's kind of percolating and we haven't talked about it yet, but Rep. Mark Warren Walker from North Carolina, he's a Trump's nominee for religious freedom and he's just been waiting for a committee hearing, so we can't seem to get that through. He's getting blocked apparently by a political form of political foe. But these are the types of stories we need to be educated on about why those types of posts are so important within the Trump administration. 00:24:25 Speaker 2: Let's kind of keep going around the map here. 00:24:28 Speaker 3: So we talked about South Asia, there's issues in Central Asia, and there's obviously Nigeria. Highlight the stories that you think are our audience needs to hear most well. 00:24:39 Speaker 8: I think of Nigeria obviously it's in the news. Just on Sunday there was another raid on a church. Thirteen Christians kidnapped out. 00:24:48 Speaker 6: Of their church. 00:24:49 Speaker 8: Right now, we don't know was this Boko Haram, was this isis West Africa Province. Wasn't just a criminal gang that wants ransom. They're trying to fundraise and so their kid napping people for ransom. 00:25:01 Speaker 6: Right now, we don't know that. 00:25:03 Speaker 8: But this is happening again and again and again, and I think at some point you start to ask the question, well, is the Nigerian government incapable of stopping these kinds of attacks or do they not have the will to stop these kinds of attacks? 00:25:17 Speaker 6: And those are valid questions. 00:25:20 Speaker 8: Since President Trump named Nigeria as a Country of Particular Concern earlier this year, it's going to be really interesting to see how the State Department plays that out and what tools are brought to bear to help Nigeria. Again, typically, it's not the government of Nigeria that is persecuted Christians, it is these terrorist groups, It is Islamis from among the Fulani tribe, it is other sort of smaller players. 00:25:44 Speaker 6: So it's going to be interesting. 00:25:46 Speaker 8: To see how that CPC status plays out and how the State Department sort of acts that out in our relationship with Nigeria well. 00:25:54 Speaker 3: And one of the more surprising things. I don't know if you've heard this story, doctor or but Nikki Nase of all people, has been helping raise awareness. You can throw up two sixty two. She's been She have a keynote remark on combating religious violence and the killing of Christians in Nigeria. She's been working, willing to work with the Trump administration to raise awareness on this. I mean, this is a I have to say. I've not traditionally been a fan of the rapper known as Nicki Minaj, but I mean, what good for her? How many Christians have been silent, how many conservatives have been silent about the persecution of the Christian Church in Nigeria, the slaughter of Christians? And then Nicki Minaj comes here and she helps make it a national news story, an international news story. It already was one, but raising the profile of that story. Have you seen movement even at Voice of the Martyrs since she's gotten involved. 00:26:52 Speaker 8: Oh, it is interesting to have other voices that you weren't expecting. Bill Maher did the same thing. The issue of Nigerian persecution. So you have Bill Maher and you have Nicki Minaj and if you have President Trump all talking about the persecution of Christians in Nigeria, I don't think any of us would have predicted that at the beginning of this year. 00:27:12 Speaker 3: Yeah, let's take our sites to Syria. There's kind of conflicting reports, but I know that Christians are getting targeted in Syria as well. 00:27:24 Speaker 2: What can you tell us there? 00:27:25 Speaker 8: Well, the Syrian government, the new Syrian government now almost a year old, a year since the fall of Bashir al Asad, they're in Syria. What they have said to the rest of the world is we want religious freedom. We want a Syria that is safe for every religion. We know that there are Syrians who are Christians and then there are Syrians who are Drews and there are Syrians who are Muslim and. 00:27:47 Speaker 6: We want to all live together in peace. 00:27:50 Speaker 8: And the rest of the world here's that, and we're like, yes, that's great, we want that too. What they're saying though, inside Syria is very different, and we have had contact Syrian pastors. 00:28:01 Speaker 6: Who have are hearing from the government or hearing from the soldiers. 00:28:05 Speaker 8: You Christians just you wait, wait, till we get our feet on the ground, Wait till we get our government established, then we're going to take care of you. So what they're telling the rest of the world the Syrian government is not what they're telling Christians living inside Syria and Christians there are understandably very concerned. If you're a father or a mother and you have young children in Syria and you're a Christian right now, you're asking yourself every single day is it safe for our children? Is it safe to raise our children here? Or should we try to go somewhere else. That's a huge challenge and that's just reality of following Christ right now in Syria. 00:28:41 Speaker 3: Well that's a thank you for that update, And you know it occurs to me and you guys. Kind of flag this for us is that during the Christmas season, persecution of Christians actually increases. So you know, for our audience listening, what do they need to know about that, Why is that a thing? 00:28:59 Speaker 2: And what can they do to help? 00:29:01 Speaker 8: Well, if you hate Christians, if you hate the Gospel, what better time to make a statement like that than on the day Christians are celebrating. 00:29:10 Speaker 6: The birth of Christ. 00:29:10 Speaker 8: So Christians have been targeted in recent years in Democratic Republic of the Congo, in Bangladesh, in Nigeria, in Egypt. And so we want Christians here in America. As you gather around the table, as you are with your family, as you're with your loved ones, we hope that you'll remember to pray for Christians who live in hostil aarias and restricted nations. They are at more risk around the Christmas season, more risk around Christian Holy Days. And so as we gather together in safety, let's pray for the members of our spiritual family who don't have that safety and just pray that God will protect them and during this Christmas season. 00:29:50 Speaker 3: Yeah, and we have a URL here as well that I want to make sure we put up and vom dot org slash Charlie vom dot org slash Charlie. So if you want to be a voice for religious freedom, if you want to stand with your brothers and sisters in Christ around the globe that are facing persecution and in some cases genocide, please please please this Christmas season when they need you the most, consider being a part of what Voice of the Martyrs is doing. 00:30:23 Speaker 2: We love this organization, we love what they're doing. And Todd, I just you know. 00:30:28 Speaker 3: Really really appreciate you highlighting these areas of the world where we need to be praying. We should be praying for the persecuted church. We should be doing what we can to contribute financially, especially right now. 00:30:40 Speaker 2: And you know, final words to you, Todd, Well. 00:30:44 Speaker 8: When you come to that website, we'd love to send you a free book that has stories of persecuted Christians. And this is a way to be inspired all year long as you read the stories of people who would rather go to prison, or rather be beaten, or rather be killed then deny their faith in Christ. I think there's great lessons and great inspiration for all of us who are Christians in these stories. 00:31:07 Speaker 3: That is vom dot org slash Charlie to get involved to help out. 00:31:12 Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Todd, God bless you. 00:31:14 Speaker 6: Thank you. 00:31:17 Speaker 2: Good conversation is about showing respect. 00:31:20 Speaker 3: It's how we create a space where people are able to share their ideas and to be heard. Charlie knew that TikTok has always strived to build that kind of place that thrives unrespectful connection, where curiosity fuels connection and we can share what's on our minds and learn from each other. When ideas meet respect, good things happen. 00:31:39 Speaker 2: On TikTok. 00:31:40 Speaker 3: You can find a mechanic explaining the why behind a problem most of us wouldn't even know how to name, or a father sharing a lifetime of knowledge with his viewers. Viewers who listen, discuss and respond. TikTok turns connection into community through small acts of understanding. You can feel it in the comments in the thank you from a stranger. 00:31:59 Speaker 2: Halfway across the world. 00:32:00 Speaker 3: World TikTok is a place where respect opens the door for discussion, and discussion helps us build something. 00:32:06 Speaker 2: Real. 00:32:06 Speaker 1: Portions of our program are sponsored in part by TikTok. 00:32:12 Speaker 2: What is the I mean? 00:32:13 Speaker 3: So we're talking about persecution all over sort of the developing world Asia, Central Asia, Africa, the Middle East certainly, what's the state of Christendom in Europe in the UK? 00:32:27 Speaker 4: Well, I guess it's post Christendom. And you could say, maybe the story of Europe in the twentieth century, maybe even the nineteenth centuries, how to put Humpty Dumpty back together again after the fall of Christendom, look after the fall of the Holy Roman Empire. And you could think of even the European Union as an attempt to come up with some sort of secular sequel to Christendom, like a way of trying to, you know, bind Europe together into us, a single collective entity. But I remember back in two thousand and four five when they were trying to push through a constitution on the EU, there was an attempt made to make reference to just the Christian and Jewish inheritance of Europe, as well as the Hellenic and Enlightenment ones, and there was a huge political battle over it, and in the end they said, nope, we're not making any mention of it at all. So that's the sort of broad context across Europe, you might say. In Britain itself, you know, there's evidence, I think some evidence that there's been a quiet revival over the last five years, big spikes in Bible buying, big spikes in commitment to God at least some kind of spirituality. So there is some interesting, interesting science. But broadly speaking, the institutional church, the Church of England, has chronically failed Christians in Britain, for in England for many, many years now on all of the really sort of hot button political issues. It's taken aside. Now, you know, that's not something that the church should should really be doing it, certainly shouldn't be doing it as aggressively as it has been doing it. I was saying to somebody the other day that actually, you know, the bishops in the House of Lords are voting more often against the Conservative government than. 00:34:07 Speaker 6: The Labor Party. 00:34:09 Speaker 4: My friend, my friend Ed West calls Britain. He says, were with the world's only left wing theocracy. 00:34:16 Speaker 2: Jeez, that's a bad that's a bad recipe. 00:34:19 Speaker 3: Anyway, So the final final segment here, we only got about two minutes left. You're going to be at Amfest. What does a British Man do surrounded by tens of thousands of conservative America. 00:34:33 Speaker 4: Well, actually, you know what, I've had some practice because I was at Charlie's memorial. I managed to make it over in time from England, and that was if it's anything like that, I'm deaf really looking forward to Amfest and Charlie invited me back in August and I just assumed that it wouldn't happen, and I but it did. I'm just thrilled to be here. And I remember saying what is amfirst, and he explained to me what it was, and then I said well, well, you want me to speak, what do you want me to say? He said, I know, I know exactly what you're going to say. Say, don't worry, I'll uh, I'll tell I'll tell you exactly what to say. 00:35:04 Speaker 2: I'll write your speech for you. 00:35:05 Speaker 4: And and I never followed up with him, So but I'm just thrilled to be here and I hope I can honor him on stage and and and honor him with the various debates that I'm I'm privileged to be moderating. So yeah, I can't can't wait. We don't do that kind of thing in England. And yeah, to just and yet yeah, maybe this is something we could we could bring over. But yeah, the energy, the momentum, the sense of excitement that the vision that's just holding the movement together is just or inspiring. And it's just great for us to bring back, as I've said before, bring back some coerkchews to to Britain. 00:35:34 Speaker 3: Well, and and you're gonna have reform fests, that's gonna be And then you're gonna you're gonna have in your Mentee is gonna be there. 00:35:43 Speaker 2: He's gonna be finishing up. He's gonna be. 00:35:47 Speaker 3: Finishing he's gonna be the final speaker on Sunday, and of course I mean JD. 00:35:51 Speaker 2: Vance. 00:35:51 Speaker 3: There's a bit of an insight, Jo, Well, it's not an insight. It's been published, but uh, an unfortunate headline about your relationship with JD Advance Vice President Jade Vance. Who's amazing. He's gonna be We're grateful to have him on the on the Sunday. 00:36:07 Speaker 4: So it would be a great, great climax to a fantastic event. 00:36:10 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's truly truly gonna be something. And you'll see the rowdiness and the different different ideas and the different factions and facets of the conservative movement, but this is what it's all about, bringing everybody together and let's have the debates, but let's be unified and let's let's kick off our push into twenty twenty six on a high note. And that would there's no better way to do that than to remember the incredible legacy of Charlie Kirk. 00:36:34 Speaker 2: And so we're looking forward to it. 00:36:36 Speaker 3: It's gonna be a bittersweet, but Charlie would want us to make the most of it. 00:36:40 Speaker 2: Thank you, doctor her great to be with you. 00:36:42 Speaker 7: Bet for more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to Charliekirk dot com