Thoughtcrime, Ep. CXXVI: The End of Star Wars?

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It's deleted now, but he posted that up on Blue Sky, where, by the way, that kind of thing is kind of normal on Blue Sky. But this is the star of the original Star Wars movies. 00:03:33 Speaker 2: He was the star or at. 00:03:35 Speaker 4: Least heavily featured in the Disney sequel movies. And he is obviously a major fixture not only in American culture and Hollywood and Disney, but also politics now because he just did a video with Barack Obama calling for the death of President Trump. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard. It's thought crime Thursday. 00:03:59 Speaker 2: Blake. 00:03:59 Speaker 4: Now, if you can, can you uh can you explain to us what for the Uh, for the folks that are audio only on the podcast side, what that opening scroll was all about that everybody wasn't able to hear? Oh? 00:04:11 Speaker 5: Well, the opening scroll is, of course the fact that, uh, we have an unusual crew here. Andrew, even though thought crumbs at the same time every single day rememvery single week, He's like, I can't make it, guys, I have I have a scheduling conflict. I have a flight, even though he could have booked a flight at any time. But Tyler, as we all know, he's frequently drafted to go fight in the Spice Wars. We don't give him as much of a hard time about it because the Spice Wars are very demanding. 00:04:41 Speaker 6: He's got to go. 00:04:42 Speaker 5: I think he's in the in the Florida front of the Spice Wars right now, but I can't remember where, so he's missing as usual. So we have our limited crew. We have Jack, we have Rus, we have myself, and then we also have Rich Barris, who is often on our show to talk about the polls. He uh sometimes tells us when the poles are good. Sometimes he tells us when the polls are bad. Rich, what would what do you think, Luke Skywalker's pull numbers would be in the Star Wars galaxy right now. 00:05:06 Speaker 2: If he was. 00:05:06 Speaker 5: Posting images of I don't know who, would he be posting images of a dead version of the. 00:05:11 Speaker 6: No you No, he's not the ever. 00:05:13 Speaker 5: He'd be like a dead dead Admiral Akbar, dead man Makma, but a dude something like that. 00:05:19 Speaker 7: Yeah, I think look, look, look, you know I was talking about this earlier today, and in our world, I don't. I don't think Mark Hamill is pretty much anything right now, right, I mean, look at who he's playing to in his audience. I'm Blue sky Those comments like Jack, I think Jack just said it. They are common over there, but in the greater. 00:05:35 Speaker 8: Public Blake, you know, this guy is like. 00:05:39 Speaker 7: It's sad a little bit, right, I mean, he's sad. He's I don't even think he ever got as big as he thought he himself would get. 00:05:46 Speaker 8: There's a whole story there. 00:05:47 Speaker 7: If you're a Star Wars fan you probably know. I mean, he did have a terrible accident that did stop or at least halt his career for the time being, so he never got past being Luke Skywalker in our world, right and now he's just an angry person. And I think I'm repeating this from Jack Show because I think it bears repeating that. A lot of these guys that we see come out and make these comments, they're just unhappy people, blake right. There's something about them. They're just whether it's unhappy with their career, unhappy with the lives they've led, and they're bitter at things. And often when they're not, often when they're leftists, they lash out at right wing political figures in a way that's reckless, that's dangerous, and it's they're they're trying to fill this void they have in themselves. I mean, I don't have to be a psychiatrist to see it. 00:06:35 Speaker 8: They all share this. It's it's glaring to me. 00:06:38 Speaker 6: Russ. 00:06:39 Speaker 5: I'm trying to I'm looking at the list of Mark Hamill roles that weren't Star Wars films exactly. Let me know the first time you've you've actually heard of one of these films. 00:06:50 Speaker 6: Corvette Summer, The Big. 00:06:52 Speaker 5: Red One, The Night the Lights Went Out in Georgia, Britannia Hospital, Slipstream, Fall of the Eagles, Midnight Ride, not Rider, just Midnight Ride, The Guyver not mcguiver, The Guiver, Black Magic Woman, Sleepwalkers. We've gone in through fifteen years of films at this point. Time Runner Silk Degrees that doesn't even have a Wikipedia page. 00:07:22 Speaker 6: The Raffle also doesn't have a Wikipedia page. 00:07:24 Speaker 5: Village of the Damned Laser Hawk Hamilton, not the musical. 00:07:30 Speaker 6: It's apparently an action film. 00:07:31 Speaker 5: Interesting Watchers Reborn walking across Egypt, Thank you, goodnight. We are now over twenty years in to Mark Hammill's non Star Wars home career. Maybe you've heard of this one, Jane Silent Bob straight Back, Yes, okay, all right, two thousand and one. 00:07:47 Speaker 9: Isn't he also playing himself in that movie? 00:07:49 Speaker 6: I don't know. 00:07:50 Speaker 9: He might have, Yeah, he might. 00:07:51 Speaker 5: I haven't seen it, but I have heard of Jay and Silent Bomb. Then we're back to Reeseville comic book, the movie, The Holy Okay, Kingsman, The Secret Service twenty fourteen, thirty five years of movies before we get to a Star Wars film. 00:08:06 Speaker 10: Doesn't play themselves that I remember are his voice acting roles. 00:08:10 Speaker 6: That's it, that's true. He had. He was more famous as a voice actor. 00:08:14 Speaker 9: Played the Joker. 00:08:15 Speaker 5: He played the joker, A very good joker, I will say, although in a few fewer episodes than I'd have thought. Guess how many episodes do you think he played the Joker in Batman the animated series? Probably fifteen exactly right, Actually fifteen only, and so you know it's actually not much content overall. 00:08:35 Speaker 6: But yeah, no, he's uh, he messed it up. 00:08:37 Speaker 5: He dragged it all into the apparently there was a Joker appearance in Spider No, that's Superman never mind. But yeah, this is but this is a bigger question which was a debated, uh heavily on X this week. This week it was May the fourth, there's that astro chur fake holiday. May the fourth be with you? And I think this year it really sunk in for a lot of people that Star Wars just seems kind of lame, kind of fake, kind of sad, kind of done here. 00:09:06 Speaker 6: Is Star Wars done here? 00:09:08 Speaker 2: Jack? 00:09:08 Speaker 6: And not just because of Hamil? Is it just done here forever? 00:09:10 Speaker 4: So so before we before we get into the meta analysis, I want to say, we are, by the way, we are up in the chat. 00:09:17 Speaker 2: So what's up to Let's see if what's up to some folks in the chat? 00:09:21 Speaker 4: Do Zoo's pedals already in with a with a rumble rant here she says, I was Princess Leah for two years in a row. And how for how we know love Star Wars. Of course, the stupid, godless left wing communist would ruin that too. I'm super feisty about this. 00:09:36 Speaker 2: This is wild. 00:09:36 Speaker 4: What's up Dylan Ivy? He's here all the time. See caboos in there. Unfortunately we can't seem to get him out. That's that's obviously an oversight. 00:09:47 Speaker 2: MK. 00:09:48 Speaker 4: Brandon twenty eight is here, starts in nineteen seventy eight, is here, So so the. 00:09:52 Speaker 2: Gang is filling in, the comments are coming in. But folks, here's something. 00:09:58 Speaker 4: That's actually deadly serious. We're living in a time where political violence is running wild. 00:10:04 Speaker 2: It has been. 00:10:05 Speaker 4: Two weeks since a political assassination attempt took place at a White House correspondence dinner where two people associated with this show, this very podcast were in attendance, right Andrew Mikey were right there, and obviously Erica was there, who is clearly associated as well. 00:10:25 Speaker 2: There's no question. 00:10:27 Speaker 4: And yeah, even though even though we don't have women on the program, but that's a scheduling issue and a programming issue as well. And obviously Charlie Right has been the victim of political violence, and so in a time like this, for someone to post something like that is horribly irresponsible. 00:10:46 Speaker 2: It is disgusting. 00:10:47 Speaker 4: And the fact of the matter is is that Disney fired Gina Carrano over a post that was nowhere near as in Cyndiari as this. She was completely taken out of context with that one. It was horrific the way Gina Carano was treated. She's having a major, major comeback right now, by the way, but here's something that isn't going to come back, and that's Star Wars. And so I've been going out and this has been it's been trending all day here on Thought Crime Thursday. 00:11:13 Speaker 2: It's also something that I want to keep. 00:11:14 Speaker 4: Going because in two weeks time, the newest Star Wars movie is coming out. So Star Wars hasn't had a new movie in russ How long has it been since. 00:11:26 Speaker 2: Ryse Skywalker came out. 00:11:28 Speaker 10: I want to say like it came out before COVID. 00:11:32 Speaker 2: It's been almost it's been over seven year years. 00:11:37 Speaker 4: It's been seven years since there was a new Star Wars movie. This is the first time because that tank so bad and because last Jedi Tank so bad, the billions upon billions of dollars that they had spent in the. 00:11:51 Speaker 2: Star Wars purchase. 00:11:52 Speaker 4: The acquisition from Lucas Arts and George Lucas into Disney fell flat on its face because how bad that sequel trilogy is. And in fact, there's even a rumor that they may be rebooting it. So what they're doing with this new one. It's called the Mandalorian and Rogu, which I guess is Baby Yoda's name, and it's all member berries. They're just throwing as many member barriers as they can at you, and like cute stuff and chots keys. I'm calling for a full on boycott. I'm saying it's fine. It's time for conservatives to rip off the band aid. You need to drop the slave mentality of saying, oh al rightlex Star Wars so much that I just need to spend on my money under I need to bud the marriage. 00:12:32 Speaker 2: I need to do this. You need to get in look in two weeks time. 00:12:35 Speaker 4: This is such bad timing for Disney, for Mark Havevell to have completely ripped the mask off and shown us his true face here, because look, he's just telling you straight up he doesn't care about you. He doesn't care about your business, he doesn't care about your family, and in fact, he wants President Trump dead, he wants conservatives dead. 00:12:54 Speaker 2: All of this. 00:12:55 Speaker 4: And I'm Jack, Jack, I'd be remiss. Did we did we even see? Did did he even say anything about Charlie at all? 00:13:07 Speaker 6: Not that I know? 00:13:07 Speaker 2: Actually, Chuck, do. 00:13:08 Speaker 5: You think it's a little long hanging fruit to call for a boycott of a movie that probably not that many people were going to see anyway? 00:13:15 Speaker 4: I said, there's a huge audience for Star Wars. 00:13:18 Speaker 2: The problem. 00:13:19 Speaker 4: That's the point that I'm saying, No, no, no, what I'm saying is blake. What I'm saying, though, is that I still see to this day. So even the White House, right, I love the guys over there, but even they on Star Wars Day, we're hosting memes of Trump as a Jedi and like all this stuff and playing into it. 00:13:37 Speaker 10: It's a cultural it's a it's a cultural fixation in America like that that doesn't have anything to agree with, that doesn't have anything to do with them promoting them movies. 00:13:48 Speaker 2: It's just it's obviously a promotion. 00:13:50 Speaker 9: It's it's absolutely in the zeitgeist. 00:13:54 Speaker 4: Right, So what they need to understand though, is like number one we needed like boycott Star Wars day. But number two it's just conservatives need to have a little bit more self respect that when there are people who literally want to kill you and people who literally want you and your family dead, who want to ruin your family, that we need to stop supporting them with our hard earned dollars. 00:14:16 Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. 00:14:17 Speaker 4: One boycott dump Star Wars, which I've already been doing for ten years. 00:14:21 Speaker 6: I agree with don't You Pirate? Like every movie you watch. 00:14:26 Speaker 2: No comment, I agree with you on that. 00:14:29 Speaker 9: One of the things that, especially with the Mark Hamill side, that's not true. 00:14:32 Speaker 2: By the way, I saw Michael. I saw Michael at the Drive in theater. 00:14:35 Speaker 9: Oh nice, they saw half drive. Yeah, there's one here. 00:14:39 Speaker 2: Literally talk about it on like all the time on the show. 00:14:42 Speaker 6: Okay, Glendelle might as well be like five, it's great, I've gone there. 00:14:45 Speaker 2: It's okay. 00:14:46 Speaker 6: I'll just keep this in mind. 00:14:48 Speaker 10: One thing on the Mark Hamill's side of things, though, too, is like it would be a very different story if Disney was willing to recast Luke because even specifically with the Mandalorian in one of the earlier seasons they brought in a young Luke Skywalker and did uh the RecG uh RecG face to make no it was Luke Obi one wasn't isn't alive because. 00:15:22 Speaker 2: It takes so no. 00:15:26 Speaker 10: So I'm specifically talking about in the Mandalorian Uh Luke comes to get Grogu because he figures out that he's for sensitive and he's gonna take him and create his Jedi school. And so they were already They're already they won't recast these characters, which is if you're if Star Wars wants to just completely move away from Mark Hamill, they have a way to do that, Like they could recast Mark Hamill or recast Luke and just move on, and then it's so much easier to you know, denounce uh Mark Hamill and actually be able to essentially do what they did to Gina Carano after after the After, you know, in twenty twenty. 00:16:14 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think you can get away with recasting Luke. I just I don't see it. 00:16:18 Speaker 7: You should, and they're not going to anyway, They're not going hard. 00:16:23 Speaker 5: This gets at the heart of it, though, which is why I think I think the meta conversation is the is the most interesting one when we talk about like is Star Wars dead? Is Star Wars alive? Why do why is it that we could open this with a Star Wars opening crawl, like it really does happen. We haven't has a tremendous pop culture presence yet in America. Has this tremendous pop culture presence in American life. It's it's insanely dominant. I don't think there's any other movie series we could have that would like be able to have a day that people just automatically think of it on like we have with this made the fourth nonsense. And I think about another thing I saw the other day, which was it was just in the comments on I think a YouTube video, but someone said, I am a teacher, and none of my kids in grade school, actually I think it was even middle school. None of the kids in my class are familiar with King Arthur or the King Arthur mythos. I think it was also in discussion of the Odyssey that we actually have ancient myths in in Western civilization. We have the Greek poems Homer, we have King Arthur, Knights of the Round Table, you have robin Hood, you have legends like that, and all of these are fading away, and instead we literally have people who know the Star Wars canon, and I often wonder do we need Star Wars to die? Just because it just seems very dumb to have a film franchise invented in nineteen seventy seven as a profit making venture. Be are our dominant pop culture lingo? Or if we kill Star Wars, are we just gonna end up where it's all the Mister Beast Extended Cinematic Universe and Marvel slap ers. 00:18:00 Speaker 4: Well so, so, Russ, Yeah, talk to us a little bit about how I'm sure you saw a fandom pulse and a few people were talking about how specifically the Disney Star Wars movies were seen as so unpopular that Disney may be like rebooting them or something. 00:18:17 Speaker 10: Yeah, so that came out a couple of weeks now ago. The essentially the idea is that yes, they're going to essentially just re kind of reboot the universe before the original or the sequel trilogy and kind of move on from there and use essentially probably using Mandalorian and Grogu since it takes place a couple of years after Episode six, as kind of their jumping their jumping point. 00:18:50 Speaker 4: But yeah, yeah, fun idea is like it's like a multiverse thing. 00:18:54 Speaker 2: I guess like Avengers a little bit, where like. 00:18:56 Speaker 10: The universe focused on the original cast. So that's the weird part of this. So then we might be just. 00:19:03 Speaker 2: One of those. 00:19:04 Speaker 4: Even if they don't, that's already just talking about the other day. 00:19:08 Speaker 2: Actually yeah, but if they don't, even. 00:19:10 Speaker 5: If they don't reboot it, that's already happening. So they have Star Wars stuff at their theme parks, and they've scaled back all of the sequel characters. 00:19:18 Speaker 6: So you're gonna run. 00:19:19 Speaker 5: You run into Princess Leah there, you don't run into Ray or Finn or whoever these new characters are. 00:19:26 Speaker 10: It's insane too when you think about it that the only characters that are even popular in the sequel series are the Droids. Like yeah, like that's it, like like Disney's that's the only thing Disney's got going for them is that everybody likes the droids. 00:19:39 Speaker 9: But it's because they don't. 00:19:40 Speaker 5: Talk, yeah, or they can talk the same way. You can just bring back C three po and he's not going to age. He can be in any movie and see three of you had the best scene and. 00:19:49 Speaker 9: So much on Galaxy's Edge. Yeah, so much. 00:19:51 Speaker 10: And even just to Angelo's point in the chat, like the Star Wars hotel was too expensive and they closed. 00:19:58 Speaker 9: They had to close it. 00:19:58 Speaker 5: Yeah, like four thousand dollars to go to and it wasn't that good. 00:20:02 Speaker 6: So it really is. It is interesting how huge Star Wars was. 00:20:07 Speaker 5: I mean, you and I are about you know, I guess actually what You're way younger than me, but at least I remember growing up in the nineties the two thousands has this huge pop culture overhang. Even all three of the prequels were bad, and yet the hype for all three of them was absolutely gargantuan. I remember my school announcements meant was mentioning like on the day of Star Wars, and we would come out, you know, they'd come in for their announcements and at the end, the guy would go and may. 00:20:32 Speaker 6: The Force be with you. It just it pervaded so much stuff. 00:20:36 Speaker 5: It was such a big deal when Disney bought it, and everyone thought, oh now we can get more and they won't be bad because George Lucas. It's just people get so invested in this. You can find threads online on Reddit, of course, where people they'll they'll ask others, how can I make sure that my kids grow up to be Star Wars fans? The same way parents might ask how do I make sure my kids stay in church? Or how do I make sure kids follow our Our cultural heritage is that, it seems the cultural heritage of normy, middle class white guys in America is basically Star Wars, Lord of the Rings and NFL football? 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So my parents were, uh, my parents were like decluttering, downsizing. 00:23:17 Speaker 8: They just moved got the book. 00:23:19 Speaker 2: And they they dropped off some some of my stuff, and uh it brought my Star Wars books in the old like I don't know that it was. 00:23:30 Speaker 6: I knew it. 00:23:33 Speaker 8: I knew it. 00:23:34 Speaker 4: Oh no, ma of them just talk about everything in here. Wait, everything in here is the Stars book, literally every single book in this thing. 00:23:47 Speaker 6: Did you read all those? 00:23:49 Speaker 9: Yeah, no doubt for those who. 00:23:51 Speaker 5: Can't, For those who can't see that, there's about there's about fifty books in that box. 00:23:54 Speaker 9: The last the legos. 00:23:57 Speaker 6: Did you even did you read the Crystal Star? 00:24:00 Speaker 1: Jack? 00:24:00 Speaker 6: Did you read the Crystal Star? 00:24:01 Speaker 2: I think that in here I see dark dig for that. 00:24:05 Speaker 6: Dark Saber, dark sabers bad right here? 00:24:08 Speaker 2: What are you talking about? We've got the A. C. Crispin Han Solo trilogy. Gosh, I love that. 00:24:14 Speaker 8: Oh that's a good one. The Han solo ones. Yeah, he got them all. 00:24:19 Speaker 2: Three Crystal Star right here. 00:24:20 Speaker 5: The Crystal Star is so terrible. That's one of the worst ones. For those who don't know. In The Crystal Star, Luke joins a cult of people worshiping like basically a blob of crap from another dimension. 00:24:32 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really really bad. Vision of the future. 00:24:36 Speaker 6: Is this the one that's the one that was like the last song. I think that's where Luke and Mara get married. 00:24:42 Speaker 2: No, no, hold on, hold on, hold on. I think it's Outbound Flight the Timothy's On. 00:24:49 Speaker 7: Jack and I were just talking about how he had all the books. 00:24:55 Speaker 2: I knew he was right here. 00:24:57 Speaker 8: I knew you're gonna put books up one. 00:24:59 Speaker 4: Of my I have a Timothy's On one that signed somewhere. I don't know where it is. 00:25:02 Speaker 8: Can I ask you something? 00:25:03 Speaker 7: Jacks as a fan and as somebody who like thinks about this. 00:25:06 Speaker 4: So I'm like, I'm like, I'll own it right like I was a big, big, big Star Wars fan. 00:25:12 Speaker 8: Let me ask you something. 00:25:13 Speaker 7: Then if you don't mind, Jack and I don't want to go out of order, but do you? Doesn't anyone else feel like Star Wars has lost some of its relevance. It's not only just that, I mean how Disney's managed it since they bought it, but also that it's lost it's it's relevant. So it was like super popular, you know when when at first I'm not even talking about the prequels or what we all remember but before that, our parents generation. 00:25:35 Speaker 2: Is that I can't I can't actually see what they're saying. 00:25:38 Speaker 5: It's clearly it's clearly lost some but Rich, I think you might have some sense on this. 00:25:43 Speaker 7: It's like the Nazis, you know, that's who they're portraying, and we just don't have that. 00:25:47 Speaker 5: Yeah, but also mindset, Rich, I just had this thought, since you're a Polster and you think a lot about how things are portrayed, how things look, how people react to things. A thought I've had is one reason Star Wars is fading out is the fact that just Disney bought it and they released they started making spin off movies and these TV shows, And there's a sense to me that. 00:26:10 Speaker 6: Even if those were good, even if all of them were. 00:26:12 Speaker 5: Nine ten out of ten quality, that they just took something that was scarce, something that there were only a handful of films for. If you were a fan, you just presumably had seen them, and now suddenly there's over there's twelve movies, and there's dozens of TV show episodes. Suddenly, even if you're a fan, you presumably haven't seen everything. It's way too hard to see everything unless you're super die hard, and there's like a saturation. Someone would look at that and go, that's too much stuff. I'm not getting into that. 00:26:42 Speaker 9: Is there anything to. 00:26:43 Speaker 2: That the young adult Jedi Prince books. 00:26:46 Speaker 8: Yeah, I think that, I actually do. I agree with that. I'm not thinking that I have any like data to back this up. 00:26:52 Speaker 7: I'm just saying that there is a saturation of the market that happened with Star Wars that didn't even exist when we were kids. And I remember, I mean, guys, you had the first three movies for years and that was it. And then when we got older and technology got better, they wanted to tell the story, you know, Anakin's story, the prequels, right, which I know my niece and nephew love. But I was still young, young enough myself to want to see them, and of course was. 00:27:17 Speaker 8: Dying and go bring them and I did. 00:27:19 Speaker 7: And then outside of that, I think you had Saturday Morning cartoons and there was a cartoon and it and just blows it up and throws. So we're used to getting something from Star Wars in drips that can last a generation. They just come and dump everything out there. And by the way, I think the quality of them has not been the same, right that we we've seen from from the other whatever you want to call them, you know, basically iterations of this entire story. They're actually talking a lot more quality. 00:27:54 Speaker 4: Before I was talking to no, and there there was Star Wars a lot before there was like there are a couple of anime series. 00:28:00 Speaker 2: Is yeah, what's that. 00:28:01 Speaker 7: I was trying to think rebels something. 00:28:03 Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, I'm talking about the eighties. The eighties. 00:28:10 Speaker 8: Oh, that's true. 00:28:12 Speaker 2: There was there there was some e Wok movies. 00:28:14 Speaker 4: There were some you know, there was some some extra you know, extras out there. 00:28:19 Speaker 7: Amerca had an animation or something to in the eighties. 00:28:22 Speaker 4: Yeah, and there's the Star Wars Holiday special. This isn't even all the Star Wars books that I've read, by the way, this is just all the ones that I've purchased because when I was younger, I would do the library a lot. 00:28:31 Speaker 2: So like people are like, where are the throng books? 00:28:33 Speaker 4: And like I just always had those from the library, even though I've read those many, many many times. So it's like it's like, look, guys, you know, this is this is what it comes down to. 00:28:43 Speaker 2: Like if you actually care about. And I haven't. 00:28:46 Speaker 4: By the way, I haven't opened one of these books or a star anything with Star Wars on it in ten years since I originally called for hashtag dumped Star Wars in twenty sixteen, when the writers of Rogue One led a massive anti Trump Twitter campaign, I've actively campaigned against them since then. And excuse me, no, I've I've seen the films. I just haven't paid for the you know, Last Jedi and what was the other one, The Rise Skywalker, and and yes I did stream those, and it's just it's it's so ridiculous that conservatives will not get involved. 00:29:26 Speaker 2: And my kids have never seen it. They know as Star Wars is. 00:29:29 Speaker 4: Their friends have like told them all the spoilers at this point, so it's like they don't even they're not even and and by the way, they're not even interested, Like my kids have zero interest in it at all. 00:29:40 Speaker 2: They just know. They just think it's funny that, like they know, if I bring it. 00:29:43 Speaker 4: Up, they're like, oh, Daddy says, we can't you know, have Star Wars in the house. So they just had to like bring it up to like troll me basically, but they don't actually you know they're not actually into it. 00:29:52 Speaker 2: No, I'm not selling these books. 00:29:53 Speaker 4: I see Zezers pedals saying that I should sell these books to collectors. 00:29:56 Speaker 2: No, absolutely not. 00:29:58 Speaker 4: I'm I'm just holding on them for now. 00:30:00 Speaker 2: You know. It's like it's just it's it's like my it's my burden. And it's The sad thing is Star Wars. 00:30:06 Speaker 4: Wanted to come back and actually do the books as a movie series or say that that's like a separate universe if they're doing the multiverse thing and retcon like all this stuff and fire Mark Hamill and apologize. 00:30:19 Speaker 6: Maybe nice, that's where that's where you go. Alright, I haven't read. 00:30:23 Speaker 5: Most of those books. I read a few in high school. But because I have certain tendencies autism, I what I would do is I in college would waste time by just sitting on Wikipedia, which is the Wikipedia for Star Wars. 00:30:38 Speaker 6: When I was reading these we didn't have no no Jack. 00:30:40 Speaker 5: I would just sit on Wikipedia and I would read the different summaries of the books and like the different characters and how they all connected, and it was really funny. And so the thing is, people say, oh, it'd be great if they made those books into movies. But once you really look at them with a neutral with a neutral eye, and you're not in middle school anymore, you realize. 00:30:58 Speaker 6: A lot of these are seriously bad. 00:31:00 Speaker 5: But everyone says everyone's saying, oh, Grand Admiral Thron, he'd be so cool if he was, if they made a Star Wars movie about Admiral Krunt. And then you read the books and you go his superpower that he has to defeat the defeat the good guys is he has super super art analysis powers, like he went to Space Oberlin and got got in master's degree in art history, and so he can look at their paintings and their pottery and go, oh, the way this pottery is designed. I can tell this civilization. They'll they'll respond to a superficial act of overwhelming force that doesn't have any depth behind it, and so he'll he'll surprise them really hard and then they'll just surrender instantly with his his super art analysis powers. 00:31:39 Speaker 4: Like I mean, I mean, look, I'm not gonna hate on Grant Admiral Throne. He's actually a great character. The point is though he actually works in the series. Like that's why it's actually good, right, It's it's it talks about the fact that he understands everything about that culture to the point of like having it's kind of like, you know, I I you know, thought it was kind of similar to like Thomas Jefferson having a copy of the Koran when he got into the Barbary Pirates Wars. So I want he wants to understand his adversary. And the point was that Throm was actually winning like for a long long time. 00:32:08 Speaker 10: I mean, this is this is gonna be sacrilege to Jack because I actually like Rogue one. 00:32:15 Speaker 2: But the reason, I mean, if you like Girl Boss feminist movies. 00:32:19 Speaker 9: I liked it for other reasons I didn't. 00:32:21 Speaker 8: I'm curious. 00:32:24 Speaker 10: Here's the thing I looked at it as and this is where I looked at the Mandalorian as well. One of the things that the Mandalorian did was show that Star Wars could be a universe, right, and so you could you could have other stories in the universe. And I think that's where for me, that's one of the reasons I didn't like the the sequel series, on top of just how badly it was written, was the fact that we kept going back to the Skywalker family. It was like, the only jedis that could exist had to have the last name Skywalker, and I was like why, Like it's a galaxy, Like why can we not do other things? 00:33:05 Speaker 7: You know, when they had branches of other stories that they were telling, showing that it wasn't limited to that. It's exactly yeah, they can contradicted themselves or greatly limited themselves. 00:33:15 Speaker 8: I agree with that there's. 00:33:17 Speaker 4: A whole like there's a whole civil war with the Karelian system that there's stuff with like you know, the Nastling pilots obviously, which is what Rogue one is based on. 00:33:27 Speaker 2: So there's a whole series called Rogue Squadron at one point. There are other. 00:33:31 Speaker 8: Species that could be a JETI. 00:33:33 Speaker 7: It doesn't even have to be a human. There could be other species. They could have went in a lot of different. 00:33:38 Speaker 4: I would say that it's not just Star Wars, even though Star Wars are just the largest one. 00:33:44 Speaker 2: It's it's it's so much of this has. 00:33:47 Speaker 4: Been done to every like cultural artifact that's been passed down in that people have just sort of like you know. 00:33:55 Speaker 9: I mean, they're doing the same thing to Marvel, right, it was just bring. 00:34:00 Speaker 4: Indiana Jones, so so stop paying for it. That's it's it's really as simple as that. We just have to stop paying for it. 00:34:07 Speaker 10: Yeah, Jones, Justake was on Wookipedia. I was on marvel Pedia looking up all the different stuff. 00:34:16 Speaker 8: I didn't want to be. I wanted to be an archaeologist like Indiana Jones. 00:34:20 Speaker 4: That that's the whole reason they actually would sell. They would sell what do you call it, like encyclopedia style books, like reference guides for star wars here. 00:34:33 Speaker 6: I remember this. 00:34:33 Speaker 5: I would read Barnes and Noble and I would flip planets. 00:34:37 Speaker 9: And movies just sit in the middle of the sections. 00:34:39 Speaker 5: Like they'd have the planets, they have the starships, and I. 00:34:45 Speaker 4: Like I had that stuff memorized. I had that stuff down pat Like I could tell you the companies. I could tell you who made everything which which I mean later when I joined the Navy, it was kind of like it was kind of like a Navy intel was like, ah, yes, I I remember these type of things. 00:35:03 Speaker 7: Man, because it was laid out in the same format, right, it was the same idea, yeah, the. 00:35:07 Speaker 8: Same way, yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, yeah. 00:35:09 Speaker 4: So I'd be studying like a Chinese, you know, defense firm, and I'd be like, ah, yes, this is like the Kuwat drive yards or whatever. 00:35:17 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I know all about that. 00:35:18 Speaker 5: Do we have Do we have the Kathleen Kennedy clip about her making everything lame and. 00:35:23 Speaker 6: Gay taking gay? Because I think I guess we don't. But anyway, the. 00:35:30 Speaker 5: I think I'm glad about it, dying for the for the reason I said, which is it did exert this huge pull over people. But when I do think about the fact that, as as you say, Jack, there's a lot of people out there who have memorized a lot of guys our age who have memorized every single fact about every Star Wars ship ever, which is all just stuff, all stuff that was just churned out as mass slop in the nineties early two thousands, and that usually means it's been at the expense of any Basically, anything else you could memorize would probably be better than Star Wars arcana. You could know more about a useful like a hobby that actually requires skill. 00:36:08 Speaker 6: So learn a lot about how to fly fish, learn a. 00:36:10 Speaker 5: Lot about how to make stuff out of wood, learn a lot or even just learn a lot about your country's history. Be one of those guys who curates infinite information about the American Revolution, or the Civil War, or you know, the Chinese dynasties or something, any form of let's just call it male autism is better than memorizing Star Wars information male autism. 00:36:32 Speaker 7: That's a great point. 00:36:33 Speaker 6: To that extent. 00:36:34 Speaker 5: I think it's probably a good thing if we can have Star Wars put out to pasture, even if it just means get into other cultural artifacts. I think it is really sad that we've had cultural lineages that have lasted for hundreds of years that might be just getting broken because everyone spent twenty years being. 00:36:51 Speaker 6: Obsessed with Star Wars until Disney ruined it. 00:36:53 Speaker 10: I mean that gets That gets back to the idea that like when you go to the movies, it's either something from a franchise, something for something, something that's a sequel, something that's a prequel. 00:37:06 Speaker 9: There really wants to be a new Star Wars. Yeah, there always wants to make Star Wars. 00:37:10 Speaker 5: I really like this is a comment from Rega who says the fall of Star Wars is like the fall of a false prophet amen, which makes sense because the Jedi literally dressed like their prophets, but they are false prophets. 00:37:27 Speaker 8: Isn't that true? 00:37:27 Speaker 7: Of all the humanities now though we said, the same thing that was just said about movies is also true of music, and it, or it has been for years, we're always getting you know, it's not picking on one genre. I'm just saying, you know, for a good five years, it felt like every new rap song was really just an old R and B song or an old rock song retooled put with a different drum beat. Then there was great remakes that were here and there, and some people they had their own collection of music, their own collection of art, and then maybe in their fourth album or something, they would make a classic and it was actually kind of good. 00:38:02 Speaker 10: You know. 00:38:03 Speaker 7: For instance, I was in Guns and Roses did that three albums later and remade a song that people loved and still played to this day incessantly on the radio. But they had their own collection of music. And it feels like the humanities are just exhausted now and everyone's just kind of recycling. 00:38:19 Speaker 8: I'm not saying here, I'm not picking on, you know, the all. 00:38:21 Speaker 7: Artists, but there is definitely a decline in original everything, original thinking, original art, and it's I was actually just talking about this my wife the other day because our kids were asking about various things, and we're trying to explain because now. 00:38:36 Speaker 8: When they do these remakes in a movie, there'll be a gender swap, or there'll be a race swap or. 00:38:42 Speaker 7: Something, and we'll have to explain, oh, this is how they did this in the new one, in the original one, right, Marvel did it too, by the way, the Marvel series they did this as well. You know, it's just if you're a Witcher fan. Some people might be Star Wars fans. Others might be Witcher fans Witcher fans, which which I am. One had this big blow up over how that was done the way. 00:39:06 Speaker 2: It's a great Polish series by the way. 00:39:08 Speaker 9: Oh yeah, I've got the books. I got to sit down and read them. Amazing. 00:39:12 Speaker 10: But to your game, I think a lot of this comes from, and I think a lot of the the streamer culture or streaming culture has kind of allowed for this because and it's it's streaming culture and it's TikTok culture. Our attention spans have just warped to almost non existence, and so thus we're not creating anything. 00:39:35 Speaker 9: We're not. 00:39:36 Speaker 10: We're just we're pulling snippets from other things and mashing it together. And so we're we're no longer creating actual, real, well real things. 00:39:47 Speaker 4: Can I can I add something of that because Star Wars itself was, if you want to talk about it was obviously a mashed together piece of a lot of different other previous elements. Blake and I were talking on Twitter earlier about how the Star Wars music was, you know, evocative of a previous film, King's Row, where you know, the main Star Wars theme is actually like very very very similar to that, and how the opening scroll comes from other stuff Flash Gordon Akira, Kurosawa films. But here's the here's the key difference, and Russ, here's the difference that I think a lot of people are are are overlooking is that those older pieces, and even the original Star Wars film itself when it was just called Star Wars before George Lucas started lying about having all these other movies made, was that because he didn't have any of it written out any It's such a hack. At the start was Star Wars was a good story on his story told, a story told a classic heroes journey. 00:40:55 Speaker 2: You know it has it's. 00:40:57 Speaker 4: A classic tale, right, It's it's a kid who is a peasant who becomes a knight, he fights the evil lord in the castle and the old wizard to save the princess. Right Like, that's a very classic medieval style just at its core story which then has other and you know, and the one wizard helps him along his way again. It all fits together within the archetype of stories that have been told for. 00:41:27 Speaker 2: Thousands of years. 00:41:29 Speaker 4: But the problem with so much tough today is they've totally lost that because. 00:41:33 Speaker 2: It's just slop on top of slop on top of slop. 00:41:38 Speaker 11: I want to talk to you about an issue so many Americans face, and that's health insurance. 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I mean everything we just said and everything we just talked about right there, that these are European stories. 00:43:19 Speaker 2: White culture, rich, it's called white culture. 00:43:22 Speaker 7: Can I just put you blatantly say what I want to say here, which is maybe. 00:43:26 Speaker 8: Disney is having a hard time finding. 00:43:28 Speaker 7: The the spirit of these stories because culturally it's completely foreign to who works at Disney now, and. 00:43:37 Speaker 2: We're getting into crime territory. 00:43:39 Speaker 8: Can we get into the thought crime territory? 00:43:43 Speaker 4: This is one I said this before about Game of Thrones, that Game of Thrones is white culture. And when the new one came out, the Duncan Egg prequel series came out, people liked it so much because again it was just a solid story which follows that archetype again and that there's no you know, princess in that one, but again it's a peasant who becomes a knight and gets a squire who turns out to be a prince and he goes on to fight for valor and honor. And people loved it and it was really simple white culture. 00:44:13 Speaker 7: And guys, all of these stories they have you know, roots in whether it's Polish or Germanic or you know, all the way to England King Arthur. Obviously, that is what Disney used to do and nobody did it better than Disney and who originally ran that company, Jack We were just talking about this guy Patriot through and through right. He allowed him, He allowed Mickey Mouse, the product of his company to be used to push American anti communism propaganda all over the world. Now look at the company, Now look at what it stands for. 00:44:48 Speaker 8: Now look at who runs it. 00:44:49 Speaker 7: It's like if I was going to, you know, if the roles were reversed and let me just pick like something that's foreign to me, right, and I was going to write a story about Maha or. 00:45:01 Speaker 8: Something, I wouldn't know where to start. 00:45:03 Speaker 7: And I'm not ashamed to say that, while I can read a few books, it's not my culture. It's not the spirit of my own worldview and my own belief so I'd have a very difficult time trying to capture it. I could try to write a story about a gin and get super creative, and it may seem very very. 00:45:21 Speaker 8: Common to people in the East, but to me it is a foreign way of thinking. 00:45:24 Speaker 7: So I would have a very difficult time capturing the essence of that story. 00:45:28 Speaker 8: How on earth are we supposed to expect. 00:45:31 Speaker 7: People who don't even believe in that Western view? They don't believe in so many of you know, it could be religions, it could be historical world views, and they just don't have it. They don't like it in fact, they might even detest it. They're actively working every day to try to stamp that out of our current culture. So why would we ever expect them to reduce Cinderella and get it right, or to reduce snow White, which they bombed and get it right. I mean, they couldn't even redo Little Mermaid. I mean this is like it's they're just not understanding what made those stories great or special or appealing and to the again, and what what is the What was their audience at the time and still is largely today, right, I mean, whether we want to admit it or not, it's still very much a white, white European culture. 00:46:21 Speaker 10: And that's and that gets to the core of what Disney has been doing with Star Wars with Marvel is they've taken two boy brands that are very much lifting boys up. Like perfect example, the original trilogy is very much just to Jack's point, it's it's it's a kid who who rises up and becomes a hero, and they're turning it into girl brands. And they're they're throwing in everything that they can because they don't they want to destroy masculinity, they want to destroy manhoods. So that's what they're that's that's the plan. 00:46:58 Speaker 5: We have a comment, Dan and nineteen sixty one argues Disney Star Wars is not Star Wars. I have bad news for you, Dan, it is actually this is part of freeing yourself, is freeing like the true freedom is not I reject the new stuff. The true freedom comes from I reject the strange hold that this ephemeral pop cultural artifact had over me, because in the end, in the end, Star Wars is just a reasonably well made seventies movie that was so well made. It got some sequels that were also popular, and some prequels that were popular or at least made very good mementical content if you were a millennial. And then they just got a ton of spin off content, because that's how you do things. 00:47:43 Speaker 6: You make video games and books and all these things. Look but that's all it is. 00:47:47 Speaker 4: Right now, I think of Star Wars like an ex girlfriend. Get them out of here. 00:47:52 Speaker 6: Every every one of those books, Jack. 00:47:55 Speaker 5: Imagine if instead of reading that book you read literally anything else. 00:48:00 Speaker 7: US history and US history, crisis and foreign policy. 00:48:03 Speaker 5: You could have read every single flash Man novel, Jack, and it would have been awesome. 00:48:07 Speaker 6: And then I could talk about flash Man with somebody. 00:48:10 Speaker 4: I mean, I mean I did spend time learning like a foreign language, and like. 00:48:13 Speaker 6: No one cares. 00:48:14 Speaker 5: Now now ellms can just do that foreign language technology overtake it. 00:48:21 Speaker 2: But no, you're exactly right. 00:48:22 Speaker 4: You're exactly right that it's it's something where it's like you you need to have the I don't think we should get rid of culture, right. 00:48:32 Speaker 2: I don't think we should. 00:48:33 Speaker 4: We should say that good culture is something that we should see at the ground on. But I do think that we should use our force for good the way that we can, the same way by the way that we led a massive brought boycott of the Super Bowl halftime show and bad money, right, we were. 00:48:53 Speaker 2: Very successful, very successful. 00:48:55 Speaker 4: With that, and they'd not like to talk about it because and Rich you remember, like this reminds me of the Bad Bunny situation. That Bad Bunny was a guy who was popular with a certain very popular with a. 00:49:06 Speaker 2: Certain demographic, but not with the broad culture. 00:49:11 Speaker 7: And by the way, I didn't get in trouble here. 00:49:15 Speaker 8: But this is what the show's all about, isn't it. 00:49:17 Speaker 7: Why was the halftime show super popular compared to Bad Bunny? 00:49:21 Speaker 8: But I mean there were even polls on this. 00:49:23 Speaker 7: You could see the downloads after the you know, I mean after the Super Bowl? What were you guys showcasing versus what they're trying to ram something else? 00:49:34 Speaker 8: What Jack said is true. 00:49:35 Speaker 7: They're trying to ram an artist who represents and appealing to a sliver of the population down the throat of the entire population, all right, who probably you know, seventy percent of would not agree with half the things that come out of his mouth. And then TPUSA was just showcasing Americana. The artist that headlined it is somebody who's been widely popular. And again, not to get into this, but I think the masculinity impact of this is it can't be understated either. We didn't even use this with Star Wars. The prequels were successful. They didn't strip out the masculinity of Star Wars and the prequels did they know when the greatest scene at all three of those, Anakin and Obi Wan, is one of the most masculine scenes ever. Right, I got them high ground, but get it right, But get into it? 00:50:18 Speaker 8: Am I wrong? 00:50:19 Speaker 7: Right? 00:50:19 Speaker 2: We have good? 00:50:20 Speaker 7: Okay, let's read the muscular time show showcase like what was people wanted to feel good at that time? They didn't want somebody cramming something down their throat. They just wanted to celebrate Americanism, have a good time for a half hour, and enjoy themselves. 00:50:34 Speaker 8: We have a good masculine scene, much more successful. 00:50:37 Speaker 6: We have a good masculine scene from the prequels. Let's play. 00:50:40 Speaker 9: Let's okay, let's go. 00:50:42 Speaker 6: I don't think the system works. 00:50:45 Speaker 12: How do you have it work? 00:50:48 Speaker 1: We need a system where the politicians sit down and discuss the problem. I agree, what's in the best interest of all the people, and then do it. 00:50:56 Speaker 12: That's exactly what we do. The trouble is that people don't always agree. 00:51:01 Speaker 2: Well, then they should be made to by whom. Who's going to make them I don't know someone. 00:51:06 Speaker 6: You, of course, not me, but someone someone Wise. 00:51:12 Speaker 12: Sounds an awful lot like a dictatorship to me, Well, if it works, he's. 00:51:26 Speaker 8: Got across the rubicon, he's got across the room. 00:51:28 Speaker 5: But what's great about it, But it's so masculine about it is that in a lot. 00:51:31 Speaker 6: Of Star warspreakels really understand women. 00:51:34 Speaker 5: Because Anakin says he supports a fascist dictatorship, murders a bunch of women and children as part of a massive war crime, atrocity, goes on psychotic, megalomaniacal rants, does a bunch of insane things like that. And it's also like a weird poudy guy a lot of the time. But because he's hot, she just falls in love with him and marries him instantly after knowing him for a week. And so this is a highly accurate portrayal of male female relations in mine. 00:52:00 Speaker 2: Keep in mind she was also like his film Babysitter. 00:52:04 Speaker 4: Yeah, we're like creepy grooming, like. 00:52:07 Speaker 9: Like the first movie was ten years younger than her. 00:52:10 Speaker 4: Yeah, for no reason whatsoever, the Reasonny's nineties. 00:52:17 Speaker 7: Hey, well, listen, there was some weird stuff in the first three as well. I mean, Luke almost fell in love with his sister, all right, I mean, let's. 00:52:23 Speaker 4: Get that was but that's because it was to begin with, that's because it was originally supposed to be but they did it. It was originally supposed to be a love triangle. And then Lee Beckett, who was one of the actual main writers of the series, because George Lucas is you know, a hack and a liar, had she died, I think like in the process, you know, in between Empire and Jedi and and. 00:52:50 Speaker 2: So they were. Lucas was like er. 00:52:53 Speaker 4: Er sister and just kind of like threw it out, threw it out there, and like clearly clearly knew that there would be like this huge issue with the kiss scene, but just like didn't care. 00:53:04 Speaker 8: Didn't care. 00:53:05 Speaker 7: And by the way, we can't skip with with the Han Solo thing, like even his character because this got away from us when we were talking about this, even him masculinity was really really American. Right here, you have this guy he's not you know, he's a borderline bad guy's a thief, he's a he's a smuggler, and he gets a second chance and he does right. 00:53:25 Speaker 8: Like like whyatt Art was a. 00:53:27 Speaker 7: Criminal, guys, and before he was the most famous lawman ever. Why att Art was a criminal, you know, but he turned. 00:53:33 Speaker 4: His he and bridge to your point, to your point. So this is part before the prequels, there was something known as the Special Editions. Yeah, and the biggest controversy of that, and this was even in the late nineties. The biggest controversy there was that George Lucas didn't understand why it made Han Solo's character so cool to shoot Grido first. And this was like this huge thing in the nineties where George Lucas is edited. It edited that famous scene in the canteena where Han Solo realizes this guy's about to shoot him and he just shoots him first, and changed it to make the bounty hunter shoot first and then Han like dodges and then fires in self defense, which just totally changes the character. But again, because George Lucas is a liar and a hack, he didn't understand why that made such of a big difference. 00:54:32 Speaker 8: Oh, I thought you were gonna play that scene. Yeah, you know. 00:54:36 Speaker 7: Look, I maybe you guys is Star Wars fans, you can tell me, but I don't know if it's true or not. But I thought we were going to get a Han Solo movie after Disney purchased it. 00:54:45 Speaker 8: But we did, we. 00:54:47 Speaker 6: Did, and it was so bad. It's actually really funny. 00:54:50 Speaker 4: That's the only one that I that's the only Disney Star Wars movie that I will defend. B Yeah, but the nerds don't like it because it's just like a comedy. 00:55:00 Speaker 9: Yeah, but it was supposed to. 00:55:02 Speaker 6: It was supposed to be a comedy and. 00:55:04 Speaker 5: Then they they, uh, yeah, like they. 00:55:13 Speaker 7: Want and they wanted for to do something else, but he was like, no, I'm gonna do King. 00:55:18 Speaker 2: Of You're saying to have him in it, as he was saying, yeah. 00:55:22 Speaker 7: It was there was supposed to be, like he was gonna do it, and it was gonna be something totally different. 00:55:26 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I was talking about but yeah, they never they never did he did. 00:55:30 Speaker 2: Maybe you know, maybe that's something that's could potentially they could be discussing if they do this. 00:55:35 Speaker 4: Uh like Russ was talking about the alternate universe, you know Timeline. 00:55:40 Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, we're gonna We'll probably get a recast. Who knows what I'm. 00:55:45 Speaker 4: Saying Like with but what I'm saying with with Han Solo, you could if there is a reason. I'm just saying that, if you do a different universe and he's still alive both in the universe and in real life, you could have Harrison back as Hanzolo. 00:56:02 Speaker 10: Oh yes, yes, I just feel like that's a terrible idea. 00:56:08 Speaker 8: It's it's a lot. 00:56:09 Speaker 10: It's a lot, especially because you already have you already have like Lea is already like both Carrie Fisher and Leah like like. 00:56:17 Speaker 9: Carry Fisher's dead. 00:56:18 Speaker 10: So unless you are gonna unless you're gonna just seeg her entire character or AI like we talked about the other like a couple of weeks ago, like you've got to recast her character. And so that also gives you an opportunity to recast all of the characters, go back to maybe right after episode six and start telling those stories rather than having old versions of these characters, because we have to because Mark Hamill's old and decrepit, and so is Harrison Ford. 00:56:51 Speaker 7: So I think Harrison Ford's a deal breaker for me at this point anyway, because of what he did with the last Indiana Jones, which is to me unforgivable. 00:57:00 Speaker 10: But that's Disney's fault though, So but don't you stand Jones is Disney's fault. I have always been the proponent they should have recast Indiana Jones, pretended it was just like James Bond, where you just ree the character, just. 00:57:14 Speaker 6: Keep making it. They could have had twenty Indiana Jones movies with a young guy. 00:57:17 Speaker 10: Keep it, keep doing period pieces. They just they replaced him with whatever actor is hot that like in those guyst So at the time when they were they were talking about it, they'd been talking about Chris Pratt would have been a perfect one. 00:57:32 Speaker 9: It would have been fantastic. 00:57:35 Speaker 4: And Chris Pratt in the Jurassic World series literally just is Indiana. 00:57:42 Speaker 10: That's his that's his uh, that's that's him doing the audition right there. 00:57:46 Speaker 6: Yeah, that even gets this. Yeah, and so well, I'm in Indiana Jones. 00:57:52 Speaker 8: We got that. 00:57:53 Speaker 7: And then I heard and I don't know if this is really the way they we're gonna go, but Shia lah Buff was going to like branch off and basically taking and do. 00:58:01 Speaker 2: Something I love. 00:58:04 Speaker 9: I would have loved. 00:58:05 Speaker 10: I would have done if they would have He's not stable, but I would have loved if they done that because I like child. 00:58:12 Speaker 7: I thought when he did it, when he played the role he played in Crystal Skulls, I could see it, and I'm like, this could work. 00:58:19 Speaker 4: Actually, I'll even I'll even like just to be fair, right, you know, I don't show Indiana Jones four and five to my kids, But I actually thought that the the not saying the execution, but I thought the plot, like just the way it was laid out and sort of the mystery in the artifact in Diodestiny was actually kind of cool. 00:58:41 Speaker 10: Yeah, it wasn't a bad It wasn't a bad plot point. You just had a You just had an actor who could move because he's again one hundred years old. So then you're trying to have him play a character that's supposed to be kicking acid, taking names, and he's just. 00:58:55 Speaker 9: Not doing that. 00:58:59 Speaker 4: The way they brought in Operate they used the Nazis in the sixties and they brought they brought in like Operation paper Clip, and how that you know showed in mads was it matts Mickoton right, was the was the main guy? 00:59:12 Speaker 2: Yes, which is phenomenal, which is question. 00:59:14 Speaker 4: There perfect, and and like he was going to go back, so he was going to go back in time to you know, a certain point in World War two to like win the war for the Nazis. I was like, that's not bad, that's that's I'm sorry, that's not a bad plot. 00:59:27 Speaker 2: That's just not a bad plot. 00:59:29 Speaker 7: Which would undo half of what the original Indiana Jones movies exactly. 00:59:34 Speaker 4: No, but that that that raises the stakes a little bit, not only for like our world, but also for the actual series itself. So it makes sense that like Indiana Jones would you know, would have like a personal stake in it. 00:59:45 Speaker 2: I don't know. 00:59:45 Speaker 7: I'm trying to think I'm an eighties baby. 00:59:48 Speaker 2: I was. 00:59:49 Speaker 8: I'm an eighty one baby. 00:59:50 Speaker 7: I'm trying to think how many Raiders of the Lost Ark slash Indiana Jones themed birthday parties I must have had. 00:59:58 Speaker 8: I'm telling you, he was it. 01:00:02 Speaker 9: Uh is also just so good, that's my face. 01:00:07 Speaker 2: It's an Easter movie, by the way, movie I was. 01:00:12 Speaker 7: I saw it and I was still kind of young when it came out. I mean I wasn't a little kid, but I was getting older. But uh, I went and I saw that movie. I can't believe I just remembered this. It popped in my head, but I just remembered this. I got home, saw the movie in the theater, which I'm not sure my dad wanted to wanted to have my mother take me to, but she did. And then I come back and I'm like, sleep this movie had such a huge impression. 01:00:33 Speaker 8: I loved it. 01:00:34 Speaker 7: I wasn't scared of it at all, but had such a huge impression. I was sleepwalking and doing the Three Trials in my sleep and went to the top of the steps, and my mother and aunt almost had a heart attack because of course I'm ready to do a leap of. 01:00:49 Speaker 8: Faith off the top of the stairs. 01:00:50 Speaker 7: And if you guys don't know what it's talking about, what I'm talking about, it's incredible. 01:00:56 Speaker 11: This Mother's Day month, you can help make motherhood possible. If you've ever joined us providing ultrasounds and saving babies with preborn, thank you. There are babies alive today and mothers celebrating this year because of the gift of an ultrasound that helped her know the truth of the baby that was growing inside of her. 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So remember a couple of weeks ago we were talking about Ai val Kilmer. So they made the Ai val Kilmer you know, obviously passed away, but they put him in. So what if they got rid of the Oh and Dylan is asking, what's my favorite Shi film? 01:02:28 Speaker 2: Obviously Holes, Like it's not even a question, and. 01:02:32 Speaker 6: Not sorry he made a padre Pio movie. 01:02:39 Speaker 4: I mean I haven't seen it, but Holes is just amazing, And so what if they had all right, so what if they had AI versions of the young characters? But the actual actors have nothing to. 01:02:50 Speaker 2: Do with it, so it's all AI. 01:02:52 Speaker 4: But like, just like the val Kilmer one, it was good, Remember it was like really good, really realistic looks exactly like them. 01:03:00 Speaker 2: Would we be okay with it in that sense? I mean it's different. 01:03:06 Speaker 10: Yeah, I think it gets to a deeper thing where I think currently we can't write good movies right now because everybody wants to put their own their biases into their scripts and into their stories. So we're not going to be able to have actual deep, uh filmography from in these universes because because we're just gonna have some blue hair le sense. 01:03:32 Speaker 5: People can sense the decline in their civilization. They know the old stuff was better, and they desperately try to grasp at it by making retreads of it. 01:03:41 Speaker 2: People are people in chatter, They. 01:03:43 Speaker 7: Are those classics, and that's what that's what's so sad. And so because you you find yourself trying to appreciate the original, you know, form of art, the original idea, the original story, and you can't do that with these rewrites because. 01:03:59 Speaker 8: Whether they know what we're they don't know it. 01:04:01 Speaker 7: They are like perverting it with these new age ideas that or their new age. They're old ideas, but they think they're new, they think they're progressive, and they. 01:04:09 Speaker 9: Just destroy it. 01:04:11 Speaker 10: That gets to the core of of it is that we we grab on to old actors and old movies and are and this is a weird phenomenon that we have is where our instant response to oh, all of this, all of this star Wars is crap. Let's go back. And the first thought in our money was, oh, we got to bring back the old actors. 01:04:34 Speaker 9: It's like no, no, no, no, no, no. 01:04:36 Speaker 10: It has nothing to everything to do with the writing, has everything to do with the story is. 01:04:42 Speaker 4: Told shot, it wouldn't fix it. 01:04:46 Speaker 2: It's still not going to fix it. 01:04:48 Speaker 6: I mean, even if. 01:04:49 Speaker 7: Mark wasn't old, he'd still be the same Mark he was, just it was hit because he is hidden better and a better story. 01:04:58 Speaker 10: I think Mark Hamill is a terrible actor other than being a voice actor. 01:05:02 Speaker 2: So that's yeah, and earlier on good events. By the way, Andrew has haunted virus. I heard, so, I heard. That's why he's not on today. She's got that. He was on that cruise a man. 01:05:14 Speaker 9: Angelo agrees with me. 01:05:15 Speaker 5: Thank god, terrible we should it's man, you know, we're almost out of time. I need to I know none of you guys followed the instructions to do it. We were all supposed to watch animal farms so we could talk about it. And then, oh my gosh, man, if we're talking about things, they can't make good movies out of excuse me. 01:05:35 Speaker 2: Wait, but you actually watched it. 01:05:38 Speaker 6: I mean suffered through. 01:05:40 Speaker 8: It endured, it suffered, suffered. So that's that's see this is true. 01:05:45 Speaker 2: What what was it? 01:05:46 Speaker 6: I feel bad. 01:05:46 Speaker 5: I feel bad. I want to say like I will know. It was distributed by Angel Studios. Angel Studios has made good films that we like. I'm not King of Kings was great. I think they've done good stuff. They'll do good stuff in the future. They did not write this movie. They distributed it. It was directed by Gollum Andy Serkis, and it's it's really jarring how much they could mess it up because it's a pretty simple story. Like, Okay, if you're adapting a one thousand page book or this big long series, it's hard to think, how do we cut this down to ninety minutes? Animal Farm you can read in an hour maybe two hours, and it's. 01:06:22 Speaker 6: A very short book. It's a very basic book. 01:06:24 Speaker 5: It's extremely obvious what they intend with it. You could basically do a one D literal word by word scene by seeing adaptation of Animal Farm. It would be good, it would be easy, and people would watch it. And instead they just totally mess it up. So first of all, they take all the hard edge out of it because they want it to be a friendly kids movie. So almost nobody dies in. 01:06:46 Speaker 6: The New Animal Farm, Like they don't do that, Like they don't they don't have in the book. 01:06:51 Speaker 5: It's actually really gruesome because they have the dogs are ripping animals throats out after they confess, you know, because of the show trials in. 01:06:57 Speaker 6: This one, and like they even stuff that we're someone doesn't die. 01:07:00 Speaker 5: So like Snowball is chased out of the farm and you know, it's kind of implied he probably would have been killed, but they don't show it. They keep him as the enemy forever in this one. They just sort of like they just kind of bullyside him out of they like make him leave. He just moves away. He's like, I'm not welcome an animal farm. I'm gonna leave. 01:07:17 Speaker 6: They don't. They just sort of force him out. 01:07:19 Speaker 4: Uh. 01:07:20 Speaker 5: And then the other big thing which people noted is it's now it's now about capitalism, Like the the threats to the farm is that it's gonna get foreclosed on by the bank. 01:07:31 Speaker 6: There's an evil man in the Socialism movie. 01:07:36 Speaker 8: This is basically blast blasphemy. Uh. 01:07:39 Speaker 7: But and point out that in the old white European culture Disney movies, people died you had to be taught as a child in these stories, these fables. 01:07:50 Speaker 8: People died. That's life. 01:07:51 Speaker 7: There's there's tragic consequences for for bad actions, and sometimes people bad people do very bad things. An Animal Farm, it just sounds like you're gonna take all you just described a different story. I mean, base that's really the truth. So again, I really think that's what it comes down to. We're just there are different We're trying to take stories from certain cultures that recognize certain truths and twist them into a different kind of form that maybe is what they feel is more acceptable to this time or a new worldview, and it's not that makes it a different story, that makes it some that's tragic for me. I was looking forward to watching this. Now I guess it's probably not even worth watching if they do this. 01:08:40 Speaker 4: Did we say, By the way, Blake, do you know speaking of the distribution of the new movie was Angel, do you do you know offhand who it was who like funded and distributed the nineteen fifties Animal Farm the cartoon? 01:08:54 Speaker 5: The cartoon was better than a nineteen fifties Animal Farm distributor? 01:08:58 Speaker 6: Is it gonna be Walt Disney? 01:09:00 Speaker 4: Is I don't know exactly which company it was, but famously a lot of the funding for that actually came from the CIA. 01:09:09 Speaker 6: That's great, see how it used to be great? 01:09:11 Speaker 4: And it was seen as this like Cold war propaganda piece against the Soviets. 01:09:17 Speaker 2: The actual CIA was behind it. He's totally right. 01:09:20 Speaker 7: It was produced by produced by John Hallis and Joy Bachelor, and funded in large part by the Central Intelligence Agency. 01:09:28 Speaker 9: Is that the CIA actually did it. 01:09:31 Speaker 6: One thing, Oh, I forgot another funny thing about the new animal farm. And so in the original. 01:09:35 Speaker 5: Story, they just straight up they just have like a communist revolution against a farm and it's a normal farm. 01:09:40 Speaker 6: And so you know, the old. 01:09:41 Speaker 5: Pig old major gives the speech where he lays out animal communism and they just they. 01:09:45 Speaker 6: Just overthrow that. 01:09:46 Speaker 5: In this one, the actual peril is at the start that basically the evil Mega Corporation is going to buy the farm and then just kind of kill all the animals. They're going to go to a laughterhouse, slaughterhouse. But they take us out and then that's what makes them revolts, is they're all gonna die. But then they just overthrow it. And then then the more the evil mortgage comes in, it has a very It kind of makes me think of the way angry commy redditors think it's unjust for them to ever pay rent because the mortgage on the farm that is oppressive. I think it was literally one thousand dollars, and so it's like you could just picture that like rhetoric. 01:10:23 Speaker 2: Like they make me pay a thousand dollars for my apartment. 01:10:27 Speaker 6: Nobody's ever been more oppressed than me. 01:10:30 Speaker 5: Uh, it's just oh, and there's also bad They try to just they just try to make it like a you know, it's not funny. There's like fart jokes in it and stuff. They should just make a dark animal farm movie. I think the fifties one is basically dark animal far. It doesn't it doesn't go well for old Boxer in that one's oh. 01:10:49 Speaker 6: No, yeah, it's it just really is that one. Actually, they should just take that movie and re release. 01:10:53 Speaker 9: I mean, we're showing b roll right now. 01:10:55 Speaker 2: Animation one is pretty good animation. 01:10:58 Speaker 7: I was hoping that all they were gonna do is make a higher tech version of this, because this this is actually good. I mean, there was no there's no reason to do what Blake is explaining they did. That's terrible and you know the scene where they where. 01:11:14 Speaker 8: Snowball gets it? Who is it? Is it Trotsky? But like, see the thing the thing is, they're like, we don't. 01:11:22 Speaker 7: Do this anymore. They were they were trying to emulate a real event, to teach a real lesson and make draw a parallel, and we're just we we have this. 01:11:32 Speaker 8: I don't want to say it's a it's the problem is. 01:11:34 Speaker 2: That the human like the White Army kind of. 01:11:37 Speaker 7: Yes, they're drawing parallels to a real thing, and you're not. You don't want to lose that, Jack, So why would you sugarcoat it or tone it down or make it softer? 01:11:48 Speaker 2: Yeah? 01:11:49 Speaker 7: I just I just don't agree with that version of it all. 01:11:51 Speaker 8: Of course, it's too. 01:11:52 Speaker 6: Late for us to fully explore this topic. 01:11:54 Speaker 5: But what was the last pure kids movie like this is not not you know Pg. Thirteen but truly aimed at children film that that went really hard in terms of how's death doesn't shy away from dark concepts because kids actually can handle it, like the way the Old Animal. 01:12:18 Speaker 7: Well, you know, there's like, well, go ahead, does somebody else have any ideas? 01:12:21 Speaker 6: Because I don't have a good answer. I'm trying to think of one. 01:12:24 Speaker 7: Well, like, man, I'm going to show here, I'm going to show my age here, but go ahead. 01:12:29 Speaker 6: Watership Down. 01:12:30 Speaker 9: Oh yeah, Watership Down? 01:12:31 Speaker 2: When did that come out? 01:12:32 Speaker 6: That waste nineteen seventy eight? 01:12:34 Speaker 8: Well, yeah, see, I'm going to go back. 01:12:36 Speaker 7: I'm going to go back to the seventies and maybe some in the eighties maybe, But you know, Rankin and Bass, who I thought maybe produced the original line of farm and they didn't. They used to do a lot of others, including holiday specials. One of them like uh Nester the Long Ear Christmas Donkey. His mother dies. It's a horribly tragic scene. You have to just deal with it and go. 01:12:55 Speaker 8: Through it, you know. 01:12:56 Speaker 7: And there's a whole lot of honest things about the Roman Empire and about the human nature. Uh recent, I don't know, my girl. 01:13:06 Speaker 6: It's talks in the house. 01:13:10 Speaker 5: One my girl, and that that's not superun that's a super grim and graphic Actually, if you want to be horrified, read the plot summary of the the book The Fox and the Hound. 01:13:19 Speaker 6: It was just really messed up. 01:13:22 Speaker 2: Well does it does it have to be on screen? 01:13:24 Speaker 9: Because he does lose his mind? 01:13:25 Speaker 5: I was thinking, I'm thinking on screen because there's a lot of there's a lot of children's lit that's better. 01:13:29 Speaker 6: It took longer for children's lit to get really bad because I. 01:13:31 Speaker 4: Was going to say the the Bridge to Terabithia, I. 01:13:39 Speaker 6: Mean the movie add up to there's a movie. 01:13:43 Speaker 4: It's about there's a movie, yeah, two thousand and seven. I think it's Have You Say Your Name? SAARs Ronan is the is the main I think, and I think she dies in spoiler alert. 01:13:57 Speaker 9: Does the novel is? 01:13:59 Speaker 5: The novel is from seventy seven, but the book, I I the movie is the movie is a straight. 01:14:05 Speaker 2: Out of book that there's a lot of that's rob Yeah. 01:14:11 Speaker 5: Okay, the book, so the book is from seventy seven, that the movie does one straight adapt it with with the death kept to the same and it's it's hilarious. You can find a lot of gen Z kids deeply traumatized by watching British Terabithia. I actually did read the book when I was a kid. I don't feel that it does the sad opening, but I think the rest of it is a very lighthearted thing. 01:14:33 Speaker 6: I'm kind of thinking what stands out to me, like the Fox and. 01:14:37 Speaker 7: His brother dies, Bax his brother died. 01:14:40 Speaker 6: Yeah, there's there's hero. It's not just that there can be a death. 01:14:45 Speaker 5: What stands out to me about, for example, The Fox and the Hound is that I don't even know if anyone specifically does die in the Fox in the Hound, but it's that the whole thing is pervaded. 01:14:54 Speaker 6: It is like a kind of terrifying movie at times, Like the bear is actually really. 01:14:57 Speaker 2: Scary in that movie. 01:14:58 Speaker 5: Yeah, and how a bleak Like they don't they don't reconcile, they don't, they don't they realize they're just innately going to be a part. 01:15:07 Speaker 6: And it doesn't. 01:15:08 Speaker 5: It's not a super depressing ending, but it's much more you're going to grow up and grow apart from people. 01:15:15 Speaker 4: That's why there's a there is a bigger I think topic there to just you know, we don't have time tonight to get into it. But how in those especially Walt Disney era films and just in a lot of kids lit and kids content from that time period, there was a lot more like the happily ever after wasn't always required that you know, happily ever after and everyone lives and everything's fine. You know, that wasn't always guaranteed. And in fact, some of these stories worked out in such a way where it was like, no, we're going to teach you that bad things happen and you're gonna deal with it, and you're gonna. 01:15:52 Speaker 2: Be old yeller, right, you has to shoot the dogs, old yellow. 01:15:55 Speaker 5: Yeah. 01:15:56 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, there's there's other lessons to be learned. But I think Blake the in the Wold getting isn't necessarily where the red fern grows. 01:16:05 Speaker 4: It's it's not just about the fact that whenever the you know, the cutoff was, it's the fact that that's gone. 01:16:12 Speaker 2: Now it's totally gone. 01:16:14 Speaker 10: Yeah, it's because yeah, yeah, And I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that, like we've just lost the ability to to tell deep stories without you know, pandering to one side or the other, Like yeah, you can, you can portray themes that you know, forty to fifty think of any of the Walt Disney films, like they all hold up today, like the old Disney animated films all hold up today. 01:16:42 Speaker 9: Why is that because. 01:16:43 Speaker 4: Because they were all based on white culture, well that ancient stories. 01:16:47 Speaker 10: That because the the themes of those of those animated stories hold true to today, they hold and the whole true once we're all dead and gone, like they continue to hold true. And the problem is we no longer write stories two that that hold onto those anchors of culture, of society, of of theme. 01:17:15 Speaker 7: Right, So aren't we Isn't that because we're projecting what we want to be instead of what that that old you know, that ancient culture, uh, that conveyed what is you know, like absolute truth? 01:17:30 Speaker 8: This is these are the realities of life. 01:17:33 Speaker 7: Maybe we want to make them better, maybe we fight to make them better, and God knows, we hope for them to be better, but we don't. 01:17:38 Speaker 2: Maybe that this is how it is. 01:17:43 Speaker 4: Yeah, go ahead, Jack, I was gonna say, Rebido and the Chad had a great, a great example of what Blake's talking about. 01:17:49 Speaker 2: Pinocchio really dark scenes in it. Oh my god. 01:17:55 Speaker 7: Even their Christmas special was dark. I mean, and it ends, you know, to some degree better, But yeah, it didn't end with total tragedy. 01:18:04 Speaker 8: But you don't always get what you want. 01:18:06 Speaker 7: Pinocchio is a great example that Jimmy Crickett bounces on him and he's like, look, you're just gonna learn and you're gonna have one catastrophe after another. 01:18:13 Speaker 8: And I'm and you're gonna learn the hard way, kid, and that's what he does. That's a great one. Who said that, Good for you. That's a great exit. 01:18:21 Speaker 5: We're hitting our heart out time. This is a very fun topic. We did get one last donation from Zuzu's Pedals. Thank you very much, Suzu for being such a supporter. She says, we need another Frank Capra and a conservative to go to film school and make great movies. That is, in the end, the only substitute. We can't We can't beg Hollywood and we can't beg a bunch of libs to please make good movie slop for us. 01:18:42 Speaker 6: We must make our own slop and unslopify. 01:18:44 Speaker 13: It isn't that right, No, And that's that's and that's why we did. That's why we did the halftime show that we did. 01:18:55 Speaker 4: That's why we dialed it in to the type of Americana rock country music that people in Middle America who are totally underrepresented in and certainly underrepresented when it comes to Super Bowls that they want to listen to, and something that wasn't pandering to them and condescending to them, and something that celebrated that part of America too, rather than and he noticed. If you go watch, we didn't attack anybody. We very deliberately did not mention bad Bunny. 01:19:26 Speaker 2: Uh leave me. 01:19:27 Speaker 4: I wanted to, and I was like, you know what, and nobody told me not to. I said, but I just made the decision. I said, you know what, I'm not even going to mention his name. I want to keep it positive. And that's what wan positive, good alternative culture. But it's got to be good, right, it's we didn't you notice there wasn't anything political about it. 01:19:45 Speaker 2: It wasn't political. 01:19:46 Speaker 4: It wasn't like here's a conservative message like no, no, I mean the obviously yeah, we you know, we talked about turning point, but there was no overarching like go vote for Donald Trump or something like that. 01:19:59 Speaker 11: No. 01:19:59 Speaker 4: No, it was good American culture and that's how people responded to it. 01:20:05 Speaker 2: That's why got the numbers. 01:20:06 Speaker 4: Did number two largest YouTube live stream in history up till you know, up till now. 01:20:12 Speaker 2: And this guy's the limit. I think the market is absolutely there for that. 01:20:16 Speaker 6: Yeah, all right, well we have hit against our time limit. Thanks for griding along. Everyone. 01:20:21 Speaker 5: We hit a lot of fun, a lot of fun stuff, but we have to head out. It's late in the evening even here in Phoenix, and so all of you go home, keep committing thought crimes, me Minnie. 01:20:41 Speaker 7: For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to Charlie Kirk dot com