THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 145 — Public Executions? Team Sports vs. Striver Culture?

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Most important decision I ever made in my life, and I encourage you to do the same. 00:00:45 Speaker 2: Here I am. 00:00:46 Speaker 3: Lord, use me. 00:00:48 Speaker 4: Buckle up, everybody. 00:00:49 Speaker 3: Here we go. 00:00:56 Speaker 1: Noble Gold Investments is the official gold sponsor of The Charlie Kirk Show. a company that specializes in gold IRAs and physical delivery of precious metals. Learn how you could protect your wealth with Noble Gold Investments at noblegoldinvestments.com. That is noblegoldinvestments.com. 00:01:17 Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard to another edition of Thought Crime Thursday. Really excited. A lot of thought crime to get to. Also, we have to get to, number one, the pre-orders for Unhumans are just blowing up. Unhumans 2, Socialist Revolution. But, in addition, we have a new drop that just came out a few hours ago. The entire internet is talking about it. It's, number one, the new drop, of course, is our new Thought Crime tease up at Charlie Kirk Store today. 00:01:55 Speaker 4: That's not what I was going to do. People kept asking, so you guys had better follow through and get them. Once they're in, I got to win. 00:02:02 Speaker 3: I love this one. 00:02:03 Speaker 4: We could do a couple designs. You can have like infinity t-shirt designs at this point. 00:02:07 Speaker 3: I have a vision for another one, but this one is just hot off the press, Jack. We got to wear those at Hamfest. 00:02:16 Speaker 2: Yeah, the original original Thought Crime shirt from a while ago actually predates the show. If you want real Thought Crime lore... And it was a T-shirt that we had for the human event side, and it just said commit thought crime. And that was sort of like the genesis for the show, the tagline, go out there and commit more thought crime. So commit thought crime is definitely a shirt we got to get up. So that's pretty cool. But, no, I was also going to say that we're going to have them– where did you just say, Andrew? Where are we going to have the shirts? 00:02:47 Speaker 3: At AmFest. 00:02:48 Speaker 2: Oh, AmFest. Is AmFest coming up? What's going on with that? 00:02:52 Speaker 3: Well, I think we have the graphic. Don't we have the graphic, guys? 00:02:55 Speaker 4: Hopefully we have it. If not, we'll just have to recreate it from first person. 00:02:58 Speaker 2: We're very bad promoters at our own events if we do not have the graphic. 00:03:02 Speaker 3: We had it for this morning. They should have it. I'm going to do a rapid fire reading of the names. By the way, I literally was just looking at a tweet. that said Bannon has to go, Jack has to go, and Gates has to go. I saw that. 00:03:15 Speaker 4: You saw that, too? 00:03:15 Speaker 2: Because everybody's been texting me all day saying, why is Andrew Colvette on there? 00:03:22 Speaker 3: I told the team the same. I was like, I don't have to be there. They sort of made me. But it's fine. I'm getting used to these things. Here we go. From top left on down. 00:03:32 Speaker 4: J.D. 00:03:32 Speaker 3: Vance, the Vice President of the United States. Erica Kirk, the CEO of Turning Point USA. Donald Trump Jr., the son of the President. Caroline Leavitt, former Press Secretary. Jesse Waters, we all know Jesse. Franklin Graham, that's a new addition to the lineup. Spencer Pratt, also a new addition to the lineup. Brandon Gill, look at that. First time, I think he might be the first, I doubt that's true actually. But I was going to say, the first congressman, the first time we put him on the list, made it to the second round. 00:04:00 Speaker 4: Yeah, that sounds pretty plausible. 00:04:02 Speaker 3: Other people have. Like, Franklin Graham is top. 00:04:04 Speaker 4: Yeah, true, true. 00:04:05 Speaker 3: But I think for a congressman, this is the first time that they've ever made it to the second round. 00:04:09 Speaker 4: And maybe, like, the highest vault of someone who just straight up was not a famous person before. 00:04:14 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, he had that great line at the UT Austin event, you know, talking about Ilhan Omar. Came up to him, cussing him out, cussing him out, cussing him out. He's so vulgar. He goes, you kiss your brother with that mouth? 00:04:25 Speaker 4: So funny. 00:04:26 Speaker 3: Such a good one. Okay, Tulsi Gabbard, Michael Knowles, Steve Bannon, Ana Polina Luna, Brandon Tatum, Riley Gaines, Benny Johnson, Jack Poso, who we apparently are being told to take off along with Bannon. It's not going to happen. Sorry, guys. And Matt Gaetz. 00:04:41 Speaker 2: The main question is, why is Andrew Colvette there? I totally agree. 00:04:45 Speaker 3: Emily Austin, Nick Shirley. 00:04:46 Speaker 4: All he does is post Cole. 00:04:47 Speaker 2: Colvette. 00:04:48 Speaker 4: Andrew Colvette, Graham Allen, Jeremy Boring, Matt Gaetz, John Doyle, Kristen Hawkins, James O'Keefe, Nick Freitas, Matt Shaw, third baseman for the Cubs. 00:04:57 Speaker 3: GAD's sad. Heck of a lineup there. I think, so one of the things, Jack, that I had to do and we had to do as a team when we were looking through was look at the last year's first speaker drop. This is by far and away the most stacked first speaker drop ever for AMFest. 00:05:16 Speaker 4: I wonder where we can go from there. We could just go full. Like, when the NFL does those countdowns of the top 100 players, we just do, like, the top 100 AmFest attendees. And, like, you start down at the bottom, and then you just work your way all up to the top. 00:05:30 Speaker 3: What do you mean? Of the speakers? 00:05:31 Speaker 4: Yeah, or something. 00:05:32 Speaker 3: I don't know. 00:05:32 Speaker 4: Oh, you like a countdown list? I'm just thinking of different ways we could build hype for people. 00:05:35 Speaker 3: We could market it. Countdown, yeah. Well, and you know what's cool about this is that we're also going to have a bunch of really top, top, top debates, okay? Actually, Bannon told me he's down to do a debate, so keep your eye out on that. So that could be fun. But we have people that are not on this list as well that are going to be doing debates. Some of these people will be doing debates. But it's going to be a lot of this. I mean, because we want AmFest to be more ambitious, bigger vision than ever, bigger ideas. Talk about the things that are dominating social media and the debates we're having there. These are going to be IRL debates on the biggest stage in the conservative movement. So, Pozo, you got a code, right? Is it POSO? 00:06:16 Speaker 2: Promo code POSO. Amfest.com. Promo code POSO. I am told that it is currently live. I don't know exactly how much it gets you off, but yes, it is live. 25% off. Yeah. So was it 25% or 35%? 00:06:28 Speaker 3: I think it's 25%. Yeah. 00:06:31 Speaker 5: 25%. 00:06:31 Speaker 2: Okay. So 25% off. Promo code. Powerful promo code POSO. Make sure you get in now because people– Andrew, you know this happens with every single Amfest event. That people sleep on it. They wait and they wait and they wait and they wait. 00:06:44 Speaker 6: Not this time, to be honest. And then they hit me up at the very last minute. We haven't marketed this event at all. And we've already got like thousands and thousands of tickets sold. So it's becoming kind of an institution. 00:06:57 Speaker 2: I just mean at the very last minute that people– yeah, of course, they're selling like hotcakes already. But at the very last minute, it's like the week before the event. So it's 17th to 20th of December. People will always come and they'll say– And they'll say, Jack, you know, you know, I really meant to get tickets. And, you know, I just I didn't know. 00:07:14 Speaker 4: And you know what it is. 00:07:15 Speaker 2: And you got to get me on the list. You got to get me in. You got it. I'll pay whatever it is. I'm like, guys, just buy it now. 00:07:21 Speaker 3: Please just don't put me in that position. VIP will sell out. So, yes, like last year it it sold out first thing. And, you know, it was crazy. But general admission could sell out, too. Like, last year we had to hit fire code. But whatever. Even if we don't hit fire code and we can keep the GA open, there's always, always a last-minute rush. So get your tickets right now. Amfest.com, December 17th through the 20th in Phoenix, Arizona at the Convention Center. It is legitimately the biggest stage in the conservative movement. 00:07:55 Speaker 4: All right. 00:07:56 Speaker 3: All right. We didn't even coordinate that, Jack. 00:07:58 Speaker 4: And speaking of stages... the stage where you might view something for example jack you had a very interesting encounter. 00:08:06 Speaker 3: Yeah jack with tip on a big. 00:08:08 Speaker 4: Old secretary of war today breaking they have announced news break breaking some uh breaking some news we're moving the needle but not that kind of needle different kind of needle uh in fact no needle at all christina pike needle from not. 00:08:23 Speaker 2: No no no in fact uh we're going we're going with a little bit more of a um A little bit more tried and true, old trusty, old trusty, old faithful, as they call it back in the day. Yeah, we had an interview with the– so I just flew back from literally the Pacific Ocean because– so we're at the USS Abraham Lincoln. And for Human Events Daily, we went out there. It was their very last day of their deployment. Super cool to be there. I would say, you know, welcome aboard. I was like literally welcome aboard. on this because we're on a ship. It was the last day of their deployment, 322 days deployed, 200 plus at sea without a shore visit. They were obviously conducting Operation Epic Fury operations for quite some time while they were out there. But we did have an extensive interview with Secretary Hegseth, and he Dropped a little bit of news. Dropped a little bit of news on us. 00:09:22 Speaker 4: That was a scoop and a half. 00:09:24 Speaker 3: That was a scoop and a half, Jack. Congrats on that. 00:09:28 Speaker 2: Thank you. Well, I mean, it's all thanks to him and thanks, of course, to the sailors on the ship. And I just keep saying that regardless of anyone's feelings on the Iran war, you should always support the troops. Simple as that. 00:09:39 Speaker 3: Yeah, 100%. So the news is, Blake? 00:09:42 Speaker 2: Well. 00:09:43 Speaker 3: Should we play the clip? 00:09:44 Speaker 4: Honestly, we should just play the clip. So they're discussing the pending execution of Major Hassan Nadal. That is the man who committed the Fort Hood shooting two decades ago at this point. 2009. He killed what? 00:09:57 Speaker 3: I mean, he injured 30, but he killed how many? 15? 00:10:01 Speaker 2: Yep. 00:10:01 Speaker 4: 13, which includes an unborn child, by the way. And infamously, they labeled it workplace violence when he was an Islamic radical. And finally, far too late, it should have happened really 15 years ago at this point, but He is going to face full accountability. And the way it's going to go down is very interesting. 00:10:23 Speaker 2: OK, OK, OK. 00:10:24 Speaker 4: We'll play it. Clip one. 00:10:26 Speaker 2: But Major Hassan, this news that came down regarding firing squad. Can you tell us about how that came about and what led to that decision process? 00:10:35 Speaker 4: No brainer. 00:10:36 Speaker 7: Execution by firing squad. Army major betrays his country. Radical Islamist kills a bunch of Americans at Fort Hood. Of course, we're going to do it at Fort Hood. We're going to do it on a Thursday. We're going to do it at 1 o'clock, which is when he did it. And it's going to be soldiers with rifles executing the firing squad. It hadn't been since World War II since we've done that. Well, I kind of like the mentality we had in World War II, which was win, which was understand when the enemy attacks you, you need to stand your ground. So it was radical Islamist terror attack. Remember what Obama called it? Workplace violence. I mean, that's what we're up against. That's the worldview we're up against is workplace violence. 00:11:10 Speaker 4: CVE. CVE. 00:11:12 Speaker 3: We know what it is. 00:11:13 Speaker 7: It was a radical Islamist attack in uniform inside the ranks. And so he's going to get a firing squad of soldiers, as it should be. And we'll make sure that people are able to watch it, that it's public, because people need to understand that there's serious consequences for these types of things. 00:11:29 Speaker 2: Has Major Hassan made any final requests, reached out to the president, anything like that, to your knowledge? 00:11:34 Speaker 5: Don't care. We'll see him on December 3rd. 00:11:37 Speaker 2: December 3rd, Fort Hood. 00:11:39 Speaker 3: Wow. 00:11:40 Speaker 2: Cold-blooded, bro. 00:11:41 Speaker 5: Wow. 00:11:41 Speaker 4: Like, don't care. I mean, the ice cold. By the way, people are asking me, why did this? 00:11:47 Speaker 2: Well, so people are asking me real quick, why did I ask that question about, you know, last request or anything? And, no, I was wondering, like, if he had said, you know, can I get a copy of the Koran there? Do I want an imam? Like, that kind of thing. Like, people are like, why do you care about it? Guys, guys, I'm doing an interview, okay? When you're doing an interview, you have to ask interrogative questions, right? And so I'm trying to find out what else is going to happen. 00:12:12 Speaker 3: No, I think it was great. No, Jack, you set him up to just go, don't care, which made him look awesome. 00:12:20 Speaker 4: Yeah, don't care. Doesn't even matter to me. Stone cold. Stone cold response. The most interesting thing there, as he said, is he says, we'll make sure people are able to watch it. 00:12:31 Speaker 3: Give me a live stream. There will be a live stream. 00:12:33 Speaker 4: They're live streaming it? Did they say that? 00:12:35 Speaker 2: Yes. Holy moly. The Pentagon... So the Pentagon has reached... So obviously on the back of my interview, I'll generate a lot of attention online. And so now there's this huge firestorm across mainstream media. So Washington Post, Politico, ABC, AP, all these papers reached out to the Pentagon. And they did put out a statement to them saying, yes, it will be live streamed. 00:12:58 Speaker 4: So this goes back to a discussion. This was a very early thought crime discussion that we had. I think we discussed... did we believe in the death penalty and then how would we do it? And we said, it should be public. 00:13:11 Speaker 3: Well, you know, it's interesting. Charlie, when I first started working with Charlie, Charlie was anti-death penalty, which was familiar to me. Like when I went to Catholic high school, my priest was the, he ended up becoming the bishop of that diocese, but he's a huge anti-death penalty crusader, which is interesting. My dad actually put three men on death row because he was a district attorney and then he would get hired from some of the local counties. So my whole life, I was always like, Well, because I was born and raised Catholic, Catholic high school, stuff like that. 00:13:40 Speaker 4: I think Charlie was very powerfully affected by the argument, which makes sense that to be consistently pro-life, you should be pro-life as the line goes from conception to natural death. And so a lot of people are affected by that as a powerful argument. 00:13:55 Speaker 2: But that's not true. That's not true at all. So that like being pro-life is kind of a misnomer because it's like I'm anti-abortion. 00:14:04 Speaker 4: Right. 00:14:04 Speaker 2: Like that's that's what we're talking about. We're anti-abortion. So we're pro-life for the life of a fetus. The idea that a which is a pre-born human, obviously, the idea that a traitor and a convicted hardcore murderer is is the same as an innocent child is just just obviously flies in the fact. And so this is where I do think a lot of these pro-lifers who make this really ridiculous argument. Um, have just kind of like got themselves wrapped up in the linguistics rather than actually like, like I'm pro baby, right? 00:14:36 Speaker 4: It's, it's Beyonce pro life. Let's get a, let's get Charlie's take on it here. 00:14:40 Speaker 5: Charlie actually does that exact, uh, comment with someone who talks about pro life. 00:14:46 Speaker 2: Uh, if you want to, I'm pro baby. 00:14:47 Speaker 4: Yeah, let's do it. 00:14:47 Speaker 2: Clip two. 00:14:48 Speaker 8: You are anti-death penalty, is that correct? 00:14:50 Speaker 3: Uh, pro. 00:14:50 Speaker 8: One thing that irritates me about liberals is they'll say things like, yeah, we're pro-choice, but then when it comes to, like, vaccinations and my body, my choice, suddenly they're not so pro-choice anymore. I feel like conservatives do the same thing, but on the pro-life side. 00:15:00 Speaker 1: What do you think my answer is? 00:15:01 Speaker 8: Because they did something bad. 00:15:02 Speaker 4: Well, yeah. 00:15:02 Speaker 8: But if life is invaluable, then why do you not consider it valuable throughout the whole lifespan, not just the beginning? 00:15:07 Speaker 1: Because you believe in putting criminals in jail, right? 00:15:09 Speaker 2: Yes. Which is a taking of their rights. 00:15:11 Speaker 4: Not their life. 00:15:11 Speaker 1: Their whole life is completely changed. So I guess it's also an insult to the victim, isn't it? Saying that your life doesn't matter so much that your murderer can keep on living, but you yourself aren't living. It actually devalues the value of the victim. We're the victims, actually, in a lot of times. God repeated in all five books of the Torah, you take a life, your life will be taken. To the consistency argument, if there is a baby here, you know, in the womb, that baby has done nothing wrong. Whereas a guy who went and shot up a school did a lot wrong. And so the only answer is to say we value human life so much that you don't get to keep on living if you take a precious human life. It's actually an explicitly pro-life position. because it's honoring the dead and honoring the victim so much that it's not just one to be discarded. That's, oh, it's not just a clump of cells because they're like, oh, you know, it's just a bunch of clump of cells that got shot up at a school. 00:15:55 Speaker 2: It doesn't really matter. 00:15:56 Speaker 1: Go put him in a jail where we say, no, that's a life you took and you don't get to keep on having breath if you go take another precious human life. 00:16:03 Speaker 4: And I think that argument is particularly strong in a case like Major Hassan's that not even a crime of passion, not a stray murder, but specifically he engaged in terrorism. He went about massacring fellow soldiers, a betrayal of his country, a betrayal of the uniform that he served under. And I think if we are to believe in our society, in our civilization, one of those things is if we believe we are a moral civilization, a good people, there should be a crime that you can commit that is so heinous that we can say, you cannot be a part of us anymore. We are going to pluck you out of this society forever. And we're going to show that this is what happens to people who do a crime of that nature. And we've talked about that with, unfortunately, Charlie's own murder, that if you're going to tolerate on any level political assassination, someone who will see the point of view you're arguing peacefully and say, I want everyone else to live in fear of ever agreeing with that opinion, and so I'm going to shoot you dead. That's why we'd say you have to meet that with the maximum penalty. 00:17:06 Speaker 3: Well, and it's government authority. Charlie's point that We actually value life so much that we are going to deter those who would attempt to take it, or in fact do take it unjustly, that we are going to hold them accountable in the stiffest possible way, which is why you've always been actually in favor of public execution. 00:17:26 Speaker 4: Yes, yes. 00:17:27 Speaker 3: Let me explain this, though, and this is Romans 13. This is what is often quoted about governing authorities, right? So you This is really important underlying stuff. Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. That's Pretty powerful. 00:18:02 Speaker 4: Yeah, and is it that line? One of the lines is like the rulers hold the sword. Is that not the specific? 00:18:05 Speaker 3: Yeah, do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. For the one in authority is God's servant. I know exactly what you're talking about. Oh yeah, here it is. They are God's servants, agents of wrath, to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. It's verse 4. Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment, but also as a matter of conscience. 00:18:30 Speaker 4: And because it is not for nothing he holds the power of the sword, for he is God's servant and is there as an avenger to punish wrongdoers. 00:18:37 Speaker 2: Exactly. 00:18:38 Speaker 4: What does the sword do? 00:18:40 Speaker 3: Cuts off hands. 00:18:41 Speaker 4: Cuts off heads. 00:18:42 Speaker 3: We used to do hands. There used to be a lot of hands getting cut off. 00:18:45 Speaker 2: Hey, you know what they say? Singapore option. What did... what was Christ's take on the death penalty? He accepted it. 00:18:58 Speaker 3: Wow, that's a little tricky. 00:19:00 Speaker 4: Well, I would, but even for himself, it's that, I always point to the good thief in the gospel. It's definitely in the gospel of Luke. 00:19:08 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:19:09 Speaker 4: Where, you know, there's of course one thief mocks Christ and says, you know, take yourself down from the cross if you will. And the other one says like, have you no fear of God? Remember, we are justly condemned. But this man did nothing wrong. 00:19:22 Speaker 3: And Jesus doesn't say, I'm going to get you off. He said, you'll be with me in paradise. And that is what we should pray for, including for this Major Hassan. We should pray that he repents and dies a Christian. 00:19:33 Speaker 4: And in fact, there was an execution just the other day in either Texas or Alabama. One of the states had, it was the first execution since that messed up one in Tennessee. And it sounds like he died saying, you know, he asked the forgiveness of the family and said that he sought peace with God. God bless that man. We can hope he'll see a savior. 00:19:52 Speaker 3: Honestly, knowing the day and time of your death on some level for somebody who needs to repent to Jesus, which we all need to repent, but somebody who's done something really heinous like that is one of the best gifts that we can give them is to say, Hey, here's your day. 00:20:04 Speaker 4: You have a time limit. You have a time limit. Make your peace with God. Beg, ask for forgiveness. 00:20:12 Speaker 3: All right, everybody, if you have a family, you know that you got to be prepared for your family. And before this season gets even busier, we're about to head into the fall, back to school, got holidays just around the corner. You got to check off one to do that can safeguard your family's future. And that's quickly finding life insurance. OK, and it's tailored to your family's needs with Policy Genius. 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You could have like brought to you by Coca-Cola. 00:22:29 Speaker 1: And no, I'm not kidding. By the way, I would totally tune in to see some pedo get their head chopped off. 00:22:34 Speaker 5: Convicted by a jury. 00:22:34 Speaker 2: By the way, that's going to get. 00:22:36 Speaker 4: I'm talking about a real thing. 00:22:38 Speaker 1: I'm talking, I'm not talking. 00:22:39 Speaker 2: About executions in Belarus or by firearm. That's not a choice or anything. 00:22:42 Speaker 4: Andrew's saying don't make kids watch it. And I think, no, the absolute opposite. If you can drive, you can watch it. 00:22:49 Speaker 1: If all of a sudden you look at some of these savages, like in Indiana, there was this guy that went in and killed a pregnant woman and her three kids. And you know what? I want to watch that execution. That'll make my day better. I want to see him on a public block, and get him be publicly executed. 00:23:04 Speaker 3: And so you heard me come in there and say, you know, maybe not for the kids, but I kind of don't think there's a realistic way of shielding them from it. Yeah, I mean, you're going to let it out. 00:23:13 Speaker 4: You do want to be careful because I think there is the point of, we are not doing this because it's fun and you want to wallow in it, but people should be aware, like in a visceral way, that if they do really evil, heinous things, this is the fate. And that's what we're kind of getting at when we mention People under 18. I wouldn't show it to a 6-year-old, but someone who's 13, 14, where you're old enough. We know there are 13- and 14-year-olds who commit murders in this country. When you're at that age where you are strong enough to commit carjackings, robberies, murders, you should be shown this is what will happen to you if you go down that path. 00:23:49 Speaker 3: Did you see that video, that 6-year-old? 00:23:52 Speaker 2: That was crazy. 00:23:53 Speaker 3: That black kid in the white t-shirt. 00:23:55 Speaker 4: The kindergarten. 00:23:55 Speaker 2: Virginia. 00:23:56 Speaker 3: I think it was Virginia. yeah it was a virginia okay i can't remember where it was but anyways he's all like f-u-m-m-f-er come at me like taunting the police the teacher the teacher super anti-white super super anti-white well it was just like i think he was just okay i think i've told the story before but i used to live in venice beach and there was a park there that used to be predominantly black every year they'd come back for a block party and i was playing basketball there and a bunch of little black kids. They couldn't have been older than five or six. They talk like this kid. 00:24:30 Speaker 5: To me. 00:24:31 Speaker 4: And I was shocked because who raises a kid like that? But it's a problem in certain cultures. Let's just be honest. 00:24:40 Speaker 3: Anyways, the point is you are... The age at which you are capable of murdering somebody... By the way, that whole point of what I'm saying is that six-year-olds shot the teacher in that. The six-year-old brought a gun to school and shot the teacher. It's a tricky part, though, because once you put it out there.... 00:24:56 Speaker 4: How do you stop people from watching it, right? The internet is the internet. 00:24:59 Speaker 3: It's going to go. 00:25:00 Speaker 5: I mean, there is an angle that could be said where there's desensitization, but the problem is we are so far down the road of desensitization in this culture that, you know, Dylan or somebody in the chat said if kids can play GTA, they can see it. And honestly, that's true. They need to be able to see They need to be able to see the wheels. 00:25:25 Speaker 3: Of justice turn. 00:25:26 Speaker 5: Yeah, this is true. 00:25:27 Speaker 3: Because I don't think it's bloodlust. I don't think it's like– I think the worry is that you would create some sort of ravenous appetite for bloodletting in your culture or something. 00:25:37 Speaker 4: No, no, no. 00:25:38 Speaker 3: Democrats hate anything. 00:25:41 Speaker 5: Anything. 00:25:42 Speaker 3: Progressives have an aversion that is so profound against justice. They don't want justice for the illegal. They don't want justice for Lindsay Clancy. They hate justice. 00:25:51 Speaker 4: This is, and that's sadly, that's the other argument in favor of the death penalty is in places that don't have it instantly. You have people who they, they want to get rid of life without parole. They will fight. They will move heaven and earth and hell to get the most awful criminals back on the street, back at Liberty and, to let them hurt people again, kill people again, or just torment people by the fact that they're free. There's this thing. There was a clemency they gave in a, and I believe it was in Virginia there where they just, they let someone out who broke into an elderly couple's home and murdered them. And their grandchild came out and was like, please, I'm begging you. Don't let out the person who murdered my grandparents and let them out. 00:26:33 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:26:34 Speaker 5: Uh, when I was cutting that clip, Charlie goes on to continue. And he said, um, You know how I know that the death penalty would work is if you decided that death penalty for anybody who robs stores, except for Thursday, guess when everybody would be robbing? 00:26:55 Speaker 4: Thursday. 00:26:56 Speaker 2: Thursday. 00:26:56 Speaker 3: Well, you see this. Jack, you know this story because you're the East Coast guy. But there's actually gang, like organized crime rings that will go up to New York. from Florida, steal and do all the stealing and theft in New York, because if they get caught in New York, they'll be fine. And then they sell it back in Florida or they sell it. 00:27:14 Speaker 2: And then there's actually a big thing with with I'm trying to remember this. I think it's Kansas City, how there's like two sides of Kansas City, the Kansas City, Kansas, Kansas City, Missouri. And I remember I forget which one on the top of my head. I think it's one of them has a death penalty and one of them doesn't. And so one of them has a much higher crime rate because you'll get criminals going to the place that has no death penalty and then committing a ton more crimes and then going back to where they live on the other side. 00:27:41 Speaker 3: It makes perfect sense. I don't understand. It is the most obvious thing ever. California, they even got rid of– what was that, Prop 40– what is it, 41 or whatever it was? 00:27:50 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:27:50 Speaker 3: Where you could steal up to $ 1, 000 and you basically get a slap on the wrist and a written warning. If you– Do not punish crime. You will get more crime. This is what Rudy Giuliani found with the broken windows theory. You got to clean everything up. You actually have to prosecute criminals. And when you do that, guess what? Urban revitalization, gentrification, investment in your city. But Democrats cannot grasp this because everything's racist. 00:28:16 Speaker 4: There's a story that has haunted me ever since I learned about it. So there was a serial killer in the Houston area back in the early 1970s. I think they'll just call it like the Houston mass murders. But He was a grown man and he kind of had these two teenage accomplices and they would abduct children and torture them and kill them. And the main killer, thankfully, was killed. Actually, he basically tried to murder his accomplices and they killed them and then they turned themselves in. And since then, they've been in prison because they helped abduct children and murder them, but they weren't given the death penalty. It was during that period where it was not enforced because the Supreme Court put a hold on it. And ever since then, The parents of one of their last victims, Stanton Dremala, 13, was the last victim of this serial killer. And for the past 55 years, his parents have had to go, well, ever since he became eligible for parole, which I think began a decade ago or so, and they just have to go in every six months to argue against parole for this guy. They have to relive it. They literally describe it. You know it's coming. You have to prepare for it mentally. Sleepless nights, thinking, reliving things. What are you going to say? What are you going to do? You're going to tell the parole board exactly how you feel. They have to keep all these binders of photos, news articles. They have to basically relive their child's murder every six months because we can't just say this person who abducted, tortured, and murdered teenagers. shouldn't be among us anymore. 00:29:42 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah and it's it's how you deal with evil we need to tell you a lot about what you think of life we need to give. 00:29:49 Speaker 2: My uh so yeah so uh december 3rd is actually my uh my youngest son's birthday And he turns six years old, so when you mentioned six-year-old. And we were watching the interview earlier, and he totally picked up on the fact. He said, oh, December 3rd, are you doing it for my birthday, Daddy? And I said, sure thing, buddy, sure thing. All for you. 00:30:13 Speaker 3: It is heavy. Could be worse. 00:30:15 Speaker 5: I mean, also, pedophiles absolutely do need the death penalty. 00:30:18 Speaker 3: Pedophiles should be instant death. 00:30:19 Speaker 5: We need to protect kids. 00:30:20 Speaker 3: No, we need to cull the herd. Blake and I were having this conversation. One of the reasons this is very thought crimey. OK, one of the reasons European culture and I would add like Japan and probably even China. I don't know as much about the history. One of the reasons we have successful cultures in the West is because if you stole a cow or you stole a horse, they'd kill you. They would hang you for that. And you start getting rid of those DNA strands in your gene pool, guess what? Over about 2,000 years, you're going to end up in a much better place. 00:30:54 Speaker 4: You selected for people who can respond to incentives. 00:30:58 Speaker 3: That can exist in a society. And so then when you import all these third-worlders and these Islam guys, you know, there's jihadists, Major Hassan, Nadal. Well, guess what? You're importing... A culture and a heritage and a gene pool that didn't get any of that necessarily. 00:31:17 Speaker 4: Maybe they got some of it. Maybe they got different parts of it. But that is a thought crime. 00:31:22 Speaker 3: I'm sorry. 00:31:22 Speaker 4: I'm sorry. 00:31:23 Speaker 3: But there's a reason why the West is the best. And there's a reason why we shouldn't mix value streams like that. 00:31:30 Speaker 5: Fort Hood should definitely be considered treason as well. 00:31:33 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:31:34 Speaker 5: Oh, for sure. 100%. 00:31:35 Speaker 3: Alright, here's another thought crime. I think Lindsay Clancy should get the death penalty. 00:31:39 Speaker 5: Not off a hung jury. 00:31:41 Speaker 4: 100%. 00:31:41 Speaker 2: Yes. 00:31:42 Speaker 4: Alright, Jack. Lindsay Clancy copycats. They all should get the freaking death penalty. It's crazy to me that if you look back through history, obviously women get executed more than men. But the ones who do get executed, it is a really recurring thing. 00:31:54 Speaker 3: Is that true? Women get executed more than men? 00:31:56 Speaker 2: No, sorry. 00:31:56 Speaker 4: Did I say? 00:31:57 Speaker 3: I'm sorry. 00:31:57 Speaker 4: Women get executed less than men. Obviously men are most executions. Sure. But the recurring pattern is women who do get executed is because they... killed their own children. 00:32:05 Speaker 3: This is crazy okay did you hear this story that came out just this morning it was on where the six-year-old boy defends his three-year-old sister gets he might have to get a leg amputated the mom a 35-year-old mother was unsuccessful in killing her two children but she darn near got him i think she should get the death penalty you try and kill your kids that's just might as well just okay you know that was. 00:32:28 Speaker 2: The one a I think they were out of South Carolina, and the grandmother– I remember we wrote it up for Postmillennial. The grandmother actually said that she thought that the older son had defended his younger sister, and that's why he had more wounds than the sister did. And this is– 50 times. 00:32:48 Speaker 3: 50 slashes. 00:32:49 Speaker 2: Guys, we were talking about this during the Lindsay Clancy trial. I remember very well. And I remember we said– that this trial is going to create Lindsay Clancy copycats. And there were people out there who said, oh, you guys are crazy. You don't know what you're talking about. And I walked through the formula. I said, it's the TikTok brain, the TikTok brain rot, the true crime brain rot, plus the algorithmic incentivization, the algorithmic incentivization of I'm doing it. You should do it. There's more of this. This is getting incentivized. It's getting pushed everywhere. combined with and i'm just going to say it the toxic fifth wave feminism we get into. 00:33:31 Speaker 4: This and then hold on and then put that style back here so and the it'll be bad and what will allow it to them to get away with it is even say she got convicted if lindsey clancy just gets convicted and she's a celebrity prisoner maybe she writes a memoir in prison is releasing letters be fixed to it is what we've been talking about here if lindsey clancy got. 00:33:51 Speaker 5: Michelle Obama's going to create a documentary. 00:33:53 Speaker 4: Hung from a gallows in public. She should absolutely be hung. 00:33:56 Speaker 3: We should bring back hangings. She strangled her three kids. She should be hung. 00:34:00 Speaker 4: And that's the traditional one they did. You'd hang them in a public spot, and you don't need to have excessive... France had the. 00:34:06 Speaker 5: Guillotines until 1977. Found that one looking. 00:34:10 Speaker 4: Yeah, like the last beheading was after the release of Star Wars, I think. 00:34:14 Speaker 3: Number 12, guys. Throw up number 12. So these are the copycat headlines. Death penalty. 00:34:20 Speaker 2: All of them. Yep. All of them. 00:34:21 Speaker 3: Texas mom shoots daughter four in murder-suicide hours after losing custody battle. Missouri mom who claims she mistakenly placed infant in oven, killing her, cops a plea deal. Lindsay Clancy obsessed... Okay, I just started over. That, I mean, this is nuts. 00:34:38 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:34:38 Speaker 3: This is nuts. And I will tell you, this is, to Blake's point, why this happened is because a bunch of women thought they'd do the, like, the longhouse, you know, sisterhood of the traveling whatever, and... They got behind her with their pink shirts and their hearts in the air. And guess what? All of these women, you enabled them. You justified their own psychosis. And this is the result. No, you do not justify it. You condemn it. You nip it in the bud and you put this woman on death row. Problem solved. At least partly. 00:35:10 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. 00:35:12 Speaker 4: No objections here. I wonder if anyone objects in the comments. We have a lot of extra people. We're on the front page right now. And for those of you who joined, by the way, if you weren't here at the beginning, we have Thought Crime t-shirts now. You guys should throw that up. 00:35:24 Speaker 3: Throw it up. 00:35:25 Speaker 2: Yeah, the two things. Thought Crime t-shirts. CharlieKirkStore.com. CharlieKirkStore.com. 00:35:30 Speaker 3: It's for pre-order right now. 00:35:31 Speaker 2: We'll get them out quick. 00:35:32 Speaker 3: I promise. 00:35:33 Speaker 2: Get your Thought Crime t-shirts. 00:35:34 Speaker 3: Oh, look at us. 00:35:35 Speaker 2: Also AmFest. 00:35:36 Speaker 3: We are FrontPage. 00:35:37 Speaker 2: AmFest.com. 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This is what I'm talking about. clancy just play some of the b-roll 13 yeah these freaking women no offense women there are great women this is what enables child killers every single one of these women right here i'm not kidding maybe this is saying it too hard you have blood on your hands you have blood on your hands because you told the other women that were women that were dealing with whatever mental issue they had that it was justified and that they were not alone and that l i guess a lot of women want to murder their children no it's disgusting you're all disgusting And then this leads into these other things. This is a really well built out segment because the Bernadette Green story and the Cornell protest. Go ahead, Jack. Well, no. 00:37:42 Speaker 2: So I was going to explain. So for folks who want to go and preorder the new Unhumans, Unhuman Socialist Revolution, we have a whole chapter on the Lindsay Clancy stands, on TikTok brain rot, on true crime brain rot, on the idea that you're seeing this new fifth wave feminism, which kind of In a way, so we finished the book even before the Cornell 7 story dropped, but it actually explains a lot of the same things that we're seeing in there where it's like kill your kids and everything is rape and that all men are evil and even your kids are part of the oppressor class. And so if you want to actually understand these things, Go and get yourself a copy of Unhumans 2 Socialist Revolution because there's– that chapter on toxic feminism, fifth-wave feminism, it breaks this down exquisitely. 00:38:36 Speaker 3: What are the five waves? I'm familiar with the three. 00:38:40 Speaker 2: So the first one, it's basically described I think of the way they– the things they want. So it's like women should be able to vote. Then women in the workforce. 00:38:51 Speaker 3: Second. 00:38:52 Speaker 2: Third wave feminism is, like, women are equal to men. Fourth wave feminism is, of course, like, includes all, like, the transgenderism and all that stuff. You know, men and women sports. And then fifth wave is what we're currently on. 00:39:06 Speaker 3: Which is, like, just kill your kids feminism? 00:39:08 Speaker 2: Yeah it's like no accountability no accountability men are men are responsible for everything even if you kill your own kids it's still men's fault. 00:39:16 Speaker 3: It's the infantilization of women though i have a much higher regard for women than whatever this is yeah i do. 00:39:23 Speaker 4: We love women so much that we want them to have agency in their own lives. 00:39:26 Speaker 3: Yeah that you actually should be able to be trusted like an adult, to not kill your kids. Or, you know, if you're going to choose to take a bunch of drugs and go hook up in a gangbang, that guess what? You get to deal with the shame and the regret of a regrettable sexual situation. Because you decided to take the drugs. You decided to do the gangbang. 00:39:49 Speaker 2: Did you guys see there's actually a new headline in that that just dropped right before the show? 00:39:54 Speaker 3: Oh, the TMZ one? 00:39:54 Speaker 2: I don't know if it was TMZ. I just saw Postmillennial. That there are new texts where actually, apparently, Jane Doe was... And I'm just reading the headline. 00:40:06 Speaker 3: We have it. 00:40:06 Speaker 4: It was Our Body, Our Choice, right? 00:40:08 Speaker 3: Throw up 24. 00:40:08 Speaker 2: The Our Body, Our Choice. 00:40:11 Speaker 3: Here's the official. 00:40:12 Speaker 2: And defended the activities, the multi... How do we put that? Multi-interactive activities, group activities. 00:40:24 Speaker 3: The multivariate analysis. 00:40:24 Speaker 2: And said, our body's our choice. And said, I don't think we should feel any shame for the part, our body's our choice, ASF. Yeah. 00:40:34 Speaker 4: Oh, boy. 00:40:34 Speaker 3: So here's the point. This is officially, I'm calling it, stake in the ground, line in the sand. This is the Cornell 7 hoax. It's officially a hoax. 00:40:46 Speaker 4: Look at this. 00:40:47 Speaker 3: Also, yes, while it may have been nice for like, what is this? Oh, wait, wrong one. Ah, Jonathan, I really appreciate this text. My memory's super clouded, too. I think we were all way too effing drunk and high. Yeah, you think? I'm getting a little heat. Pi Phi girls, blank and blank. Can't get my name out of their mouth. And that's to be expected. But at the end of the day, none of the sexual stuff was illegal. And honestly, I really liked being with you and Matt. So anything anyone has to say about the gangbang. 00:41:15 Speaker 2: Oh, wait. 00:41:16 Speaker 3: I thought it was a rape. Sorry. Oh, the gangbang is out of their jurisdiction. I don't think we should feel any shame for the part. Our body, our choice. Oh, okay. 00:41:27 Speaker 4: So Miss Agency, she's in control. She determines the morality of it all. 00:41:32 Speaker 3: Oh, now it's rape. Because she just realized, she woke up one day and realized when you're not invited to a Halloween party that darn it. 00:41:40 Speaker 4: It's just, it's not, it kind of gets back to the classic thing. 00:41:43 Speaker 5: Guys, I just wanted to be popular. 00:41:45 Speaker 4: There's just certain, there's just certain victimization arcs that, you know, we've set the script for how it can go. It's just like, how many people How many women have been frustrated in their career and so they suddenly discovered they'd been sexually harassed or abused in some way somewhere along their career arc? There's several notorious cases about that at Fox, for example. And it's just like, this is the same thing. 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And it's like accountability for your actions across society, uh, across the board. And when the thing is, is when you have more accountability, there's less problems, there's less bad things. Did you see the great article? It was in, I think it was the Harvard Crimson. And it was saying that students are, they're realizing that consent might not be enough for sex. Like they're developing a new sexual ethic that we should dignity matters too. They're basically re reinventing marriage and like real relationships and commitment from first principles. Like, and they think that they think they're just, you know, the most genius people ever. No one's ever thought of this idea. We need to, we need to talk about consent, Jack. And I need you to have my back here. No super hot takes here. Just have my back. So consent is garbage. 00:44:43 Speaker 3: Okay. Like, Consent means what you want it to mean when you want it to mean it. The whole concept of consent is like one big setup to basically screw over Aziz Ansari when you have regrettable sex with him. Or to screw over, insert male here, when you realize that actually he doesn't like you that much. It's that Aziz Ansari thing where he thought that he got proper consent. The girl wakes up and says, oh, I don't know if I like that. And then it turns into a rape allegation. That's not okay. The whole concept. Listen, I agree. 00:45:17 Speaker 4: If a girl says no, you need to say, yeah, of course not, right? 00:45:21 Speaker 3: I get it. But this concept of in between gray zone, well, it wasn't consent because I was drunk. Well, did you consent to getting drunk and putting yourself into that position? 00:45:31 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:45:32 Speaker 3: I don't know. Jack, have my back. 00:45:35 Speaker 4: No, no. 00:45:35 Speaker 2: I have your back because the double standard is what makes it garbage, right? The double standard of if If the man is drunk, how can he consent? 00:45:44 Speaker 1: Right. 00:45:44 Speaker 2: He couldn't consent either. And this is where you get this sort of he to movement that has bubbled up this week online and one that has gone gone back until, you know, going back years even before Trump announced all the way back to the UVA hoax. And so this has created a situation where the double standards have become completely untenable. And this is again, we talk about this in the new on humans. where you have to accelerate the contradictions. And this is exactly what it means. So you flip it back on them. You use that tactic of saying, well, how could he consent? How could the man consent? Why is consent one of these things that in a legal sense, and Blake can explain this, that in a legal sense, this is something that had been done on campuses, which I believe actually Correct me if I'm wrong, Blake, again, you would know better than me, but didn't the Trump administration actually change the way that these cases are investigated? 00:46:41 Speaker 4: Well, the Obama administration created this new, they basically imposed a new legal standard. They'd say colleges to comply with Title IX. Remember, Title IX of the Education Act just says you can't discriminate between men and women. That's all it says in providing education. If you get federal funds, you can't discriminate between men and women. And our brilliant Obama administration came out and said, To comply with this law, you're actually required, in the great genius of our lawmakers, they intended this decades ago, you're actually required to create a special new legal tribunal to adjudicate sexual assault claims. You can't just throw it to the police. You have to have your own proceeding. And it has to follow this specific evidence standard that is lower than the criminal standard of proof beyond a reasonable doubt. It just has to be preponderance of the evidence, which legally means we think it's more likely than not. And you're not required to allow cross-examination. You're not allowed to require confrontation of witnesses. You can create a kangaroo court. They required this of schools. And then the Trump administration got rid of it. The Biden administration brought it back and made it even worse. And now it's out again. And they're trying to use this bogus scandal to revive it again and change laws. Well, you know what else they're trying to do? I want a real flag real quick, though. Zuzu, she just said, did you see... Thank you, Zuzu. Did you see the sex ed that was being taught at Cornell? Yes, we did. Yes, it did. It just very casually and almost robotically... They had a literal itemized list where it's like, you should fill out this consent form to see are you comfortable with all of these things. And it was sex with one person, two people, three or more people, four or more people. It was like rattling it off, all these things. Like, oh, you should do your five-page sex inventory. And it's gross to read. It's robotic to read. And I think the most telling thing of all is that it's not... It's not erotic to read. The creepiest thing about all of this, and even coming out of the Cornell story, is nothing's actually, for lack of a better word, hot about any of this. It's a bunch of people who've been fed this idea of what it is to be adventurous, what it is to be daring, what it is to do something cool and edgy while you're in college. And the end result is this woman had her reputation destroyed. These boys are having their reputations trashed. All of them look disgusting. Are any of them closer to feeling real love for anyone in their life? 00:49:00 Speaker 3: They all need Jesus. 00:49:01 Speaker 4: They all need Jesus. 00:49:03 Speaker 3: That's the case. So here's what else they're doing, though, with this. This is New York Times today. Jack, I don't know if you saw this. Embrace or ban Greek life. Cornell case renews an old debate on campuses. A sexual assault case at Cornell revives. a long-running national conversation about whether fraternities and sororities are beneficial and harmful of course you would go here yeah of course because nothing liberals hate nothing more than an old school institution for men only and women only well unless you're a tranny because then they'll let the trannies in that's All they care about. They want to get rid of the places in which masculinity can flourish, old school values, old school institutions, and let's just be honest, a lot of white men. So now they want to ban Greek life over a freaking hoax. 00:49:54 Speaker 5: And U of A is also doing this. 00:49:56 Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of schools are. 00:49:58 Speaker 2: So, you know, and this is where, you know, this is where when we look at these things and we've, of course, done lots of shows about this. This is where you have to ask serious questions about the sexual revolution of the 60s and 70s. And you have to go back and say, well, wait a minute. Do these things actually work? Do these things make ourselves better? Do they make our lives better? Does this entire way of living make society better? 00:50:24 Speaker 3: Of course it doesn't. 00:50:25 Speaker 2: Or does it work? 00:50:26 Speaker 4: No, it doesn't. 00:50:26 Speaker 3: Does it work? We need to bring back old sexual mores. We need to bring back chivalry, chastity, and virtue. Because guess what? How about. 00:50:35 Speaker 2: Real quick, the idea of Christian matrimony. How about that idea? 00:50:41 Speaker 3: This is what's wild. I'll find the graphic. But do you know the one area of modernity that has not gone through what they're calling the sex recession? That would be a monogamous religious marriage. They are the only people in America today that are not having less sex than they did like 20 years ago. 00:51:01 Speaker 2: Where was the clap sound effect? That was like perfect. Perfect setup. Yeah. 00:51:04 Speaker 3: Where was it? I'm glad... Glad they didn't do the Mexican hat dance one for me. For Andrew. Those both would have been appropriate. There it. 00:51:15 Speaker 4: Is, yeah. 00:51:16 Speaker 2: I love this, by the way. I love this comment. Can I read this comment from MK Bren? Hollywood literally promotes that lifestyle in all their shows, and then when people do what they see on TV, they get demonized. Make it make sense. Exactly right. Exactly right. So when we promote unchristian behavior... and you get more unchristian behavior, then we turn around and say, wait, why did we get all this unchristian behavior? Because you promoted it. Because you were constantly promoting it. And because there are people who, and just maybe, maybe, just maybe, and this is going to sound crazy, like a real thought crime, scalding hot thought crime here, flaming hot take. What if the Christian standards were in place because they work? What if Christianity is real because And the reason that it worked for 2,000 years is because those standards actually set up a better and more successful society. 00:52:16 Speaker 3: So this is from Brad Wilcox. My latest for the Atlantic. 00:52:20 Speaker 1: Religion.... 00:52:22 Speaker 3: Frequently gets a bad rap in our public conversation about sex, yet in an atomized, individualistic age, faith has turned out to be one of the few institutions still nurturing one of the most powerful expressions of human intimacy. Throw up 27. So this is actually the graph. Religious couples avoided the sex recession. Look at that. I guess you could technically say we're down from 64% in the 1990s to 62%, but we're actually up from 61% in 2010. Hey, hey, speak for yourself. Speak for yourself. But look at this. So rarely, never attend church. Went from 64% on par with the frequent attenders of church, down to 48%. And the all unmarried group is down at 35%. And I guess, what is it? What does that say? How much? What is that? What's the actual? Well, have sex once a week or more. So, I'm just saying. Holy matrimony, guys. It's the way that God designed it. 00:53:22 Speaker 2: So holy matrimony. Yes. Yes. Matrimony pill. 00:53:27 Speaker 4: I mean, as he said, as Jack's saying, you know, what if it was good because it worked? Well, and that's the crazy thing is like it actually works more or less stably for hundreds, thousands of years. If you want to go from like when certain Christian ideas became sort of the standard thing that they're pushing, you could say it probably lasts a good solid thousand, fifteen hundred years. 00:53:45 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:53:45 Speaker 4: And then you just compare it to this stuff where it's like, and we got rid of all those dumb restrictions in the 1960s. And you're not even going to get to the end of those people's lifetime before society is flying apart. 00:53:57 Speaker 3: And then you can engage in debaucherous gangbangs with a redhead. And you think it's fine. Oh, wait, it's not fine. She's going to ruin your life. 00:54:06 Speaker 4: Everyone's messed up. She's going to ruin your life, but let's not let them off here. They damaged themselves. They damaged themselves greatly. 00:54:13 Speaker 3: They did. 00:54:14 Speaker 4: You're totally right. You're totally right. Now, we haven't talked about Bernadette Green. I don't know if we want to get to that. I don't think. 00:54:19 Speaker 3: All right, let's go to the Stryver Culture vs. Team Sports. Jack, this is you, buddy. 00:54:23 Speaker 4: This is big. 00:54:24 Speaker 3: This is big. You tweeted about it. 00:54:26 Speaker 2: This was a debate that sort of riled up the internet, and it started as... So Dinesh D'Souza has been having this sort of H-1B debate with a number of people. It's sort of like a proxy debate with Beau French and J.D. Vance, who have both called for ending the H-1B program. 00:54:45 Speaker 3: I'm going to throw my name in that list, too. 00:54:48 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, no. I mean, all of us who were having the burrito debate recently. But then the question of assimilation came up, assimilation to American culture. And then there came this this debate regarding striver culture, whether or not striver culture is American. And striver culture is something that you typically see among Asian cultures, so Indian and Chinese. And you see this a lot in Indian and Chinese families where, and what we're talking about is sort of like the overemphasis on studying for SATs, studying for everything, cramming for everything, studying for spelling bees has become a sort of proxy in the debate as well, that you have to like push yourself and constantly take extra credit, extracurricular courses to always be studying, study hard, study hard, study hard. Vivek, of course, had a tweet about this as well himself almost two full years ago on Christmas talking about how Americans are playing too many sports and aren't studying hard enough, and that's why people are getting left behind. And so that is, in a nutshell, the Stryver culture. Do you guys– did I explain that? No, it totally makes sense. I know it was quick. I mean, listen, this is why– But do you know what I'm saying? It's that Stryver– Okay, read the tweet. I'm going to get ahead to be a Stryver. So then Dinesh D'Souza responded to that criticism by saying that– well, I should explain this criticism too. So the criticism was that– That's not an American culture. American culture is more like you find your talent and then you inculcate that talent. You don't just strive to pass the test because the test is there. So Dinesh responded, the Olympics, the World Cup, and the Super Bowl are 100% the product of striver culture. Is there a single case of someone who didn't practice for hundreds of thousands of hours simply showing up and taking the gold or scoring the winning goal or getting the MVP award? And again, I think this is– I just don't think he understands what we're talking about when we say striver culture. The idea isn't necessarily that there aren't elite athletes. Of course, there's elite athletes. But the idea of striver culture is trying to push everyone to be the same thing, to try to push everyone into being the piano player, the violin player. Everyone has to be a lawyer. Everyone has to be a dentist. Everyone has to be a doctor versus, you know, everyone has to get X score on the SATs or whatever it is. This is striver culture and putting a massive emphasis on this. You have to pass the test because the test is there. Versus in American culture, and Mike Cernovich was talking about this, it's like the test is there to locate and find talent, right? The test is there to determine who has innate talent and then be able to take that person and find their highest and best use in society. So it's not just about being able to get the highest score on the test. What is the purpose of the test? What is the purpose of the grade? obviously to teach the education, right? That's like the most basic purpose. But also it's like you want to also find those people who are so talented that you then put them into elite programs the same way that all of those world gold medalists and elite athletes, again, start not just from striving but from having that innate talent. So it's actually a talent search process. a talent search mechanism rather than just taking a test for the fact the test is there. And Mike Cernovich, our good friend, had a rejoinder to all of this and said this, one of the most American things that you do see and you don't see in Asian cultures is the culture of team sports. And, you know, kind of had this, this basic response that, you know, you don't see the strivers necessarily in team sports. And I'm not, I'm not saying by the way, that you don't see this culture because you are starting to see Strava culture in team sports with like travel teams and stuff. But the basic idea of an American with kids, and I think that if you went up 10 out of 10, if you have kids in team sports and you ask the parents, why do you have them in those sports? They're going to say to teach them teamwork, right? To teach them teamwork and good values. And that those values are not actually the high values that are taught in Asian cultures. So this is something where it's like, it's literally a cultural debate. This isn't something where race really plays a role, but you do see this vast cultural gulf in the data when you look at the participation rates for team sports. So Andrew, to answer your question, this is why it's become this like hot button issue online as to say, is the Asian culture of striver culture, is that becoming more American? And is team sports also getting kind of invaded by this driver culture kind of mentality? 00:59:49 Speaker 4: Well, team sports is getting invaded by the fact that like more people First, it's a few things, like the travel sports epidemic. And that's not getting ruined by Asians. That's totally getting ruined by middle-class white families. And I think a lot of that... So what's going on there that's so interesting is that... I think some of it is that people have become just aware of how pro sports is just such a giant lucrative thing. It's a highly visible path that people can go down. And it's so freakishly hard to get in. And it just keeps moving back when you have to be good, such that you have to have been playing for six years already if you want to even play on your high school varsity team at one that actually feeds into the top D1 programs. And all of that. And also I just think sports has gotten so high end. Like you even see this with the NBA. You don't have nearly as many players who make it to the NBA where they played good street ball in the hood and then they turned that into actually going to university and then into the NBA. They're all like these upper middle class or rich products of basketball academies. Like Steph Curry's dad was like himself a pro basketball player if I remember right. Or some other pro athlete. Like kids of athletes. Athletes are marrying other pro athletes and then having these kids who are these. 01:01:04 Speaker 3: Well, that was Christian McCaffrey story is both of his parents were collegiate athletes that were both like really fast. Like his mom was a track star. And then like his dad, I think was either a football player or whatever. And so they, they birthed the one white running back. Well, I guess Scataboo now is the other one, but he's more of like a tank, but it's like, They actually joke about it. It's like somebody had to birth fast white kids. 01:01:27 Speaker 4: But it definitely is. 01:01:28 Speaker 3: But it's because they combined. 01:01:29 Speaker 4: Their exceptional genes. It is definitely the assimilation of team sports getting sucked into focus on these extreme terminal end goals, like potentially going pro. I think another thing about it is I think a lot of people end up in travel sports. 01:01:44 Speaker 3: It's FOMO, though, too. 01:01:45 Speaker 4: It's FOMO. 01:01:46 Speaker 3: You're scared that your kid is going to fall behind. And so then once somebody starts doing it, then everybody has to do it. And it creates this really negative culture around it because when I was coming up, it was like I was expected to play all the sports. 01:02:00 Speaker 4: Yeah, I just played a sport. This season you play this sport. This season you play that sport. And it was with kids in your neighborhood. You weren't traveling all the time. It's like parents do kind of ruin their lives, it feels to me. When you're a travel sport parent, you end up going to a new tournament every weekend. You're on the road all the time. Your life revolves around this sport. You spend thousands of dollars for a sport that, let's be honest, your child will almost certainly– Not play pro. They're not even that likely. Not mine, Blake. 01:02:23 Speaker 3: My kids get a pitch for the Dodgers. 01:02:24 Speaker 4: Yeah, and they're not even that likely to probably do it in college. 01:02:26 Speaker 3: Go Dodgers. 01:02:27 Speaker 5: Go Dodgers. 01:02:29 Speaker 4: Yep. And it's just... But yeah, on the striver culture thing, I just think... Probably the thing that is most annoying with Asian-style striver culture, because that's who they're complaining about, is it turns into what's called a Red Queens race. Everyone is running in place to stay in the same spot. And that happens... so much and like it is really just engineering towards getting a high score for the sake of itself. 01:02:53 Speaker 3: Yeah like what's the point of being like so dedicated to like one sport from the time you're 6 to 18 if you're not if you're not going to be a millionaire because of it i mean maybe you say hey there's no chance of being a millionaire if you don't do this but like come on also so stressful for the kids kids were always so annoying. 01:03:10 Speaker 4: Jack were you a club kid Club sports? 01:03:13 Speaker 2: What's a club kid? 01:03:14 Speaker 3: Traveling sports? 01:03:15 Speaker 4: Did you play sports? 01:03:15 Speaker 3: Club sports? 01:03:17 Speaker 4: Traveling sports? 01:03:17 Speaker 2: Yeah, I played sports, but no, I didn't do... I didn't do travel sports. 01:03:19 Speaker 3: Yeah, same. I didn't do the traveling clubs. It was just like kind of picking up when I was getting out of it. 01:03:23 Speaker 4: It is definitely... I mean, even with college sports, I don't really care for college sports for this reason. So wait, guys, I'm seeing the chat. There's clearly this origin that came out of just a good... Well, you know, schools were originally for men, and it's like that a well-rounded man was like a good athlete and a good team player and a good sportsman, and he also... knew he was liberally versed in different subjects. We're totally going for that liberal arts ideal. And that's where you're getting the traditional team sports that U.S. middle schools and high schools have had. They have a basketball team, have a football team, have all of these things. And then because those were so popular and everyone did them, and because we were a rich country, we have rich professional sports teams that are really popular and that has bled back into the original sports culture And sadly, I think corrupted them. And it's made it so they are either a super lucrative thing into themselves or you play them because you're hoping to get into that super lucrative thing. And it's corrupted what was originally a very good thing to develop a sportsman. 01:04:27 Speaker 3: I talk about jobs and industries on this show all the time, but I didn't expect to find an entire skills trade community on TikTok. plumbers, electricians, builders, and contractors sharing the work they do every day. And it went way beyond tips and tricks. People were sharing their craft, connecting with local contractors, and talking about how they were building their businesses and growing their teams. It opened my eyes to how people in the trades are using TikTok to share their skills, make connections, and find new opportunities. I remember thinking, this is exactly what we need more of, people sharing what they know and creating opportunities for others. And I never expected to find a community like this That's the thing about TikTok. You start with something you know, and suddenly you're finding a whole new side of it that surprises you and leaves you wanting to know more. Your next discovery is waiting for you on TikTok. Learn more at TikTok.com slash discover more. 01:05:20 Speaker 2: So guys, I'm being told that we haven't quite experienced define striver culture that great yet. And so people are still kind of confused. And so like, I'm not saying that people shouldn't strive, right? Like we're obviously not saying that we're conservatives. But it's the social phenomenon around hyper achievement. I just did Google on this. Constant self-improvement for the sake of self-improvement, intense dedication to upward mobility, performative workaholism, measuring success by how hard, how long you work, hustle, radical self-optimization, every aspect of life, including sleep, diet, and hobbies, tracked, measured, improved for overall maximum efficiency, status signaling, achievements, et cetera, et cetera, throwing it all over your LinkedIn, perpetual dissatisfaction, burnout, imposter syndrome, identity merging, and these types of things that really just take over your entire life as opposed to, again, And keep in mind that in America, before we had the striver culture of you have to study to get done the test, to pass the test, we were the country that won World War II. We're the country that put a man on the moon. We're the country that did all of these things without this culture, without this culture whatsoever. We built America from nothing. from the ground up and were able to do things. 01:06:51 Speaker 4: Well, we had striver culture in pretty different ways. We also had work ethic. 01:06:55 Speaker 5: I think that's one of the things. 01:06:56 Speaker 2: No, those are different things. It's not work ethic. 01:06:59 Speaker 5: No, no, but that's the point. I think you've seen the, as you've seen this more striver culture kind of come out, I think you've seen work ethic go the opposite direction. And I think that's because a lot of this is focused on The parents. Like, perfect example, look at sports. Like, we were using sports as the illustration, right? The reason sports suck now is because of parents, not the kids. Because parents have turned sports into, oh, I have to relive my glory days. through my kid or so i'm gonna push them have to do better than or they have yeah exactly they have to have a shot at the mlb. 01:07:42 Speaker 4: I mean there's so many things that go into this like let's be real i think a big driver of any striving in the u.s is there's a lot of there's a lot of class anxiety lifestyle anxiety because people can sense that the bottom has totally fallen out on the low end of american life let's just real there's just a lot of people who live very bad lives that are heavily self-inflicted. They get into drugs. They become dependent. And everyone's terrified their kid will fall into that. So you strive hard or you fear living around it. Because we have high crime areas. No one wants to live in a high crime area. 01:08:15 Speaker 3: Combo that with social media. 01:08:17 Speaker 4: Compare that to... Europeans will say they're more chill because until they started making novel decisions around immigration, you could be a 25th percentile person in. 01:08:29 Speaker 4: Germany, and it basically was no big deal because every neighborhood is safe. You're basically guaranteed a good wage. You're not going to live in a totally desiccated urban environment. But in the U.S., that is the penalty if you're in that 15th, 20th percentile. You can live in a pretty harrowing, frightening environment. So people get worried about avoiding it, and then this increases levels of competition. 01:08:51 Speaker 3: And social media, which is... Social media is a comparison machine. 01:08:54 Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's also, frankly, a product of...– we have a more meritocratic society that you can say America ran this way 100 years ago. But also the only way you were ever going to be an elite is you were from an elite family. You went to a handful of boarding schools. You wrote your lame John F. Kennedy essay to get into Harvard. But maybe things are just getting more competitive, Jack. Things are more competitive. 01:09:13 Speaker 2: I'm watching. I'm watching. Hold on. You guys are like on a totally different tangent than the original topic because that's not really what the debate is about at all. Well, we're talking about where the striver culture. 01:09:26 Speaker 3: Is coming from in America. 01:09:27 Speaker 2: So there's a couple– well, we're talking about the difference between like American culture versus Asian striver culture. And the chat actually gets this pretty well. So I want to read this one. 777Tia, she wrote in and said, I mean from some Asian cultures, they only think a career in medicine or law or engineering is legit. and everything else isn't a career to pursue like a basketball player. And so I think that's a perfect example of like trying. 01:09:52 Speaker 3: I totally agree. 01:09:53 Speaker 2: So it's like trying to fit, believing that everyone has to fit into one, you know, there it's, it's all the square pegs into every round hole. Everything has to be the round hole versus the American idea of, which is just the more general American idea of, Hey, everyone's got certain talents and, And your childhood should be based around figuring out what those talents are, what your interests are, and then, you know, trying to inculcate that and nurture that. 01:10:20 Speaker 4: Hold on, pushing back on that. I feel like I've heard endless complaints about boomers because boomers will just say, like, follow your passion. 01:10:27 Speaker 3: You should just do what makes you happy. This is actually, I'm with Jack. 01:10:31 Speaker 4: And then people have said boomers are leading people astray. 01:10:33 Speaker 3: I just want to say, though, that this is not dead in our culture. It's very much alive because I will tell you, 10 out of 10 people, whatever, 100%, When I'm talking about my son, Case, talking about team sports and stuff because I'm getting him into Little League and things, everybody's just like, when he's ready, he's ready. When he wants to do it, follow his passions. I mean, people are giving me this unsolicited advice when it comes to, like, my own son. So I do think that this is very much still the American way. But, Jack, follow me here. So on the side of the ledger where we're talking about where is this driver culture getting re-injected or injected into the American zeitgeist, I'm watching the playoffs, right? And I remember 10 years ago watching baseball, and there were not this many guys throwing 100 miles an hour. Like, straight up, everybody is throwing 100 miles an hour now. Like, things are getting, like, ratcheted up to the, like, very extremes of human ability. 01:11:26 Speaker 5: When I was in high school, the same thing. It was like every kid was throwing. If you weren't throwing, like, 70, 80 miles an hour, you weren't a pitcher. 01:11:34 Speaker 3: Well, this is what I'm saying. The days of, like, Greg Maddox throwing 88 and just, like, painting the zone are gone. all these guys are throwing 98 to 104 like what's. 01:11:44 Speaker 2: That there's there's another aspect there's another aspect i wanted to also mention though is and i was i was trying to get into it at the beginning is that it really is that americans do value teamwork and that and so like andrew is is one of the things that you want your son to get out of little league teamwork. 01:12:01 Speaker 3: Yeah i want him to be coachable i want him to learn how to take it right commands from a coach and i want him to like You know, have fun with his friends and learn to enjoy that camaraderie. 01:12:10 Speaker 2: Totally. 01:12:10 Speaker 1: Right. 01:12:11 Speaker 2: And so I really think like 10 out of 10 that if you if you asked parents, that's that's going to be like one of the top answers you get. 01:12:18 Speaker 3: I think that's distinctly still alive in America, though. I do. 01:12:21 Speaker 2: I really know. And I argue that it is. However, when you look at the statistics, the groups that are the least likely to have their kids in team sports are Asians. 01:12:32 Speaker 4: The least likely group. They're also not as good as sports. 01:12:34 Speaker 2: This is the tiger mom culture. This is the tiger mom culture that is 100% just dominated by striver culture. 01:12:45 Speaker 4: Why? 01:12:45 Speaker 2: Because their kids are going to be, again, you've got to be learning violin. You've got to be learning piano. 01:12:51 Speaker 5: I worry. 01:12:51 Speaker 4: I mean, a lot of this is complaining. Who cares if they decide to prioritize learning violin and piano? Your kids aren't learning violin and piano in most cases. Someone should. Yeah, it's true. 01:13:00 Speaker 2: My kids do learn piano. But it's not about who cares, Blake. 01:13:03 Speaker 5: I hated piano. 01:13:04 Speaker 2: The issue is about the cultures. 01:13:07 Speaker 3: No, because we talk about the blue banana. I always go back to that. It's just one of the most fascinating ideas that I've ever thought about. And Blake introduced me to it. But we talk about there are certain special cultures that produce really profoundly good things, like progress humanity forward, right? So Jack's point is actually legit here because– If striver culture is not the thing that has propelled America to land on the moon and all these things, and what is is more of this camaraderie, finding your niche, finding your unique talent, and then letting that blossom, what he's saying is then we are going to jettison the very thing that sort of was like, operating in the firmament, operating in the software of the American culture that made us great. And so we have to actually identify it and protect it. I actually, I get that point. 01:13:59 Speaker 4: I think whatever we had 100 years ago is long gone, unfortunately. I don't think so, man. 01:14:04 Speaker 3: I don't think so. 01:14:05 Speaker 2: That's 100% what I'm saying. It's that you want to find the people who have the best talents and then, which by the way, which is another huge aspect of the H-1B debate because they claim that Americans don't have talent and they bring in people who are basically scab labor for these IT firms. And by the way, shout out to the administration, because I think they're working on closing the top of funnel on some of these H-1B to green card programs. And the perm? 01:14:29 Speaker 3: They took on Microsoft today? 01:14:31 Speaker 2: Yeah, Microsoft, Adobe, Cognizant, a number of these firms. 01:14:36 Speaker 3: Yeah, but here's why I don't think this is gone. And this is actually where I disagree with guys like Bannon. I actually told him this, but I think this would be a fun debate for Bannon at AmFest. And so I totally respect where he's coming from. And Cernovich is the same way where they don't like the tech bros, but I'm sorry. I listened to Palmer lucky and I'm like, dude, I like that guy. He's fricking like on point and he's innovative. He's, you know, he's, what is he building that? Like, uh, the, the shipyard in Maryland. 01:15:04 Speaker 8: Yeah. 01:15:04 Speaker 3: I mean, that's cool. 01:15:05 Speaker 2: Yeah. It's like a Baltimore. 01:15:08 Speaker 3: He's launching rockets into the freaking bowl. 01:15:10 Speaker 1: Yeah. 01:15:10 Speaker 2: Yeah. 01:15:10 Speaker 3: He's launching rockets, catching them in, you know, back like, I. 01:15:14 Speaker 4: Mean, Elon Musk is actually definitely an insane grinder when he was young, though. So I don't know that we. 01:15:18 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:15:19 Speaker 4: I don't like this idea of... I push back on this idea of innate talent because high skill is almost always talent combined. Are you a Tabula Rasa guy? 01:15:27 Speaker 5: No, no, no. 01:15:28 Speaker 4: I'm saying actual talent is like... No, but then you do grind. Serious talent is basically grinding plus ability. 01:15:34 Speaker 2: No, no, no. 01:15:35 Speaker 4: That is how you become super good at anything major. 01:15:37 Speaker 3: Nobody's saying that that's not what we're talking about here. What you're saying is. 01:15:41 Speaker 4: Okay. 01:15:42 Speaker 2: Okay. 01:15:42 Speaker 3: I want my kids to actually have fun while they're children. And I'm going to observe them where they're naturally gifted, where they seem to have proclivities and talents and abilities. 01:15:52 Speaker 4: And then I'm going to be like, you know what? Now I'm investing in that thing. 01:15:56 Speaker 2: It's called nurture. 01:15:57 Speaker 3: I'm going to nurture that thing. I'm going to pour into that thing. And by the way, the kid's probably going to love doing that thing. He's going to grind. 01:16:05 Speaker 4: One thing I would say that's interesting, though, is If you go back earlier, you actually probably have less flexibility in what you're able to study. 01:16:11 Speaker 3: I thought about this too, actually. 01:16:13 Speaker 4: For example, I was just reading about, for example, peak Victorian Britain, which is an insanely successful society. And basically, yeah, you had a pretty broad liberal education, and they put a lot of emphasis on sports, and it wasn't super academic. But what you actually had to study was remarkably different. 01:16:29 Speaker 3: Rigid. 01:16:29 Speaker 4: Rigid, and it was heavily ancient languages, if you can believe it. About half your study time was learning Greek and Latin, which is at least as much of a digression to learn about as violin or something. 01:16:43 Speaker 3: I actually think studying language and music is the one thing that has expanded my mind more than anything else. Reading, of course, but there's certain human activities. I think that's why they thought it was important, because I actually think it made people smarter and wiser, mastery of the English language. But also then you can read the classics and understand how you got here. So I don't think of it as an aversion. 01:17:06 Speaker 5: Even to that point, if you look at Greek and Latin, if you wanted to deep dive on the Bible, you can deep dive on some of the words that are used in the Bible. 01:17:16 Speaker 4: It gives you a great respect for the culture and the history and the civilization you're a part of. 01:17:21 Speaker 3: I'm with you, Jeff. 01:17:22 Speaker 4: I get it. But I do think it's a fusion of both. Honestly, a lot of striving is also just a product of concentration of a more concentrated elite class, a more concentrated economy, a more less distributed success, prosperity. And it makes people more competitive for what's seen as a handful of spots. If you want to reduce everyone grinding to be a doctor, we should just open another few medical schools and have more doctors instead of. 01:17:48 Speaker 3: Importing them from abroad. 01:17:50 Speaker 2: That's obviously a huge, huge issue because the AMA always pushes back on opening more medical schools. They really, really don't like that because they want to keep that as a cartel. 01:18:02 Speaker 3: Do you think that this is, in a weird, backwards way, contributing to socialism? Because all this massive anxiety of the downwardly mobile elite is actually. 01:18:12 Speaker 4: This anxiety of fewer spots, have to compete, have to keep up with the Joneses. I don't know if it's driving. 01:18:17 Speaker 3: And then they go, screw it. 01:18:18 Speaker 4: This is too hard. There's definitely a lot of people who wash out. I think the biggest driver of socialism is definitely not just young people, but it's a lot of sad millennials who feel they didn't get what they deserve in life. Who actually didn't deserve it in the first place. A lot of them are actually kind of pathetic. 01:18:34 Speaker 3: Downwardly mobile elite. Caboose liked that. 01:18:38 Speaker 4: Caboose! Wait, hold on. Caboose. Yeah. 01:18:42 Speaker 3: Get in here, Caboose. 01:18:42 Speaker 4: Yeah, Caboose, you have to show yourself. Socialism is for the lazy. Yeah. That's right, guy with the Godzilla. by his name yeah you guys like that. 01:18:52 Speaker 3: I love that where did you hold on i want one i don't get. 01:18:57 Speaker 4: Yeah give him a different give him a different we don't have a different cartoon logo though you should give me like the coolest cartoon logo and then andrew should have a much lamer one what's. 01:19:05 Speaker 3: What's jacket Jack, what kind of, do you want to? 01:19:08 Speaker 4: Jack's going to get like a winged hussar or something. 01:19:11 Speaker 3: We're not socialists here. 01:19:12 Speaker 4: You guys get nothing. 01:19:13 Speaker 2: What's going on with the logos? No, I want Francisco Franco. 01:19:17 Speaker 4: Okay, all right. 01:19:19 Speaker 3: That's a very different thought crowd. 01:19:21 Speaker 4: I'm going to have to go look up Francisco Franco's early life to see if he was striver culture or team sport culture. 01:19:26 Speaker 2: He was just probably team sport. 01:19:29 Speaker 5: I don't know. 01:19:29 Speaker 3: Do they really do? 01:19:30 Speaker 4: Team sports is like, well, a weird thing though is team sports is not even a European thing. It is only an Anglo thing. It is an Anglo thing that we brought to America. But soccer, they don't do team sports culture for soccer in Latin America. If you're good at soccer in Europe, what happens is they identify you at age eight and you go to a soccer academy and you get trained super hard. And if you're not good at it anymore, you wash out. You don't have your casual... You'll play it for fun, but you don't have that broad-based team sports culture to nearly the same degree. in Europe as in America. They obviously still play sports. But the entire concept of every school, every school has a team for five different sports and you play all of them growing up. That's totally a weird English eccentricity that came to America and spread. 01:20:16 Speaker 3: Around the world. 01:20:17 Speaker 4: What about Poland, Jack? 01:20:17 Speaker 3: Does Poland have team sports? 01:20:20 Speaker 2: Yes, obviously. Blake, did you know that in the medieval era there was something called mob football? 01:20:26 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was just everyone ran around after a ball and it was like 10,000. There was like no rules other than just There was a ball. And it was, like, extremely violent. 01:20:34 Speaker 2: So good. 01:20:37 Speaker 3: This is why you didn't need traveling sports teams back in the day. 01:20:40 Speaker 4: The crazy thing is Poland wouldn't need boring team sports because in Poland until the 1700s, it was just legal for you to revolt against the king. And, like, the king was not allowed to be butthurt about it. And he couldn't just, like, execute you just because you revolted against the king. 01:20:54 Speaker 2: They actually referred to, because the Polish king under the Confederation was, like, a weaker king. Um, it, it wasn't an absolute monarch. So it was like, like very similar to, you know, the, um, uh, the Magna Carta style of a monarch with the parliament. And in fact, at, at some point in American history, they actually referred to the U S presidency as a Polish King. 01:21:15 Speaker 4: Well, let's hope not because it didn't end well because he was an elect. 01:21:19 Speaker 2: Right. Well, he was an elected, well, I mean, look at where we're at. Um, so this was an elected monarch. And so the idea that you have a monarch who had the powers of the monarchy but was elected. 01:21:32 Speaker 5: This has been fun. 01:21:33 Speaker 4: Yeah. 01:21:35 Speaker 3: We didn't get to our. 01:21:36 Speaker 4: AI touring test. I think we still should. I mean, we've got a lot of viewers. 01:21:40 Speaker 2: And by the way, and I do want to summarize this, that we're not against striving, right? Striving is good. But the idea of going into this striver culture thing that, and this is where I'm at on this, This is something different. This is beyond just striving for what your innate talent is. It's finding what you're good at or excuse me, it's finding something that you think you should be good at and then spending all of your time and force and pressuring your kids to be so good at that, that you can check some box or something and then basically like abusing them. if they don't score well on test. 01:22:17 Speaker 3: This reminds me of that. 01:22:18 Speaker 2: And I reject that. I just reject that. 01:22:19 Speaker 3: This reminds me of that Malcolm Gladwell. Wasn't it like the tipping point or something? Or 10,000 Hours. 01:22:24 Speaker 2: Yeah, the 10,000 Hours thing. He's such a midwit. It's like him and James. Yeah, whatever. Jared Diamond. 01:22:31 Speaker 3: Andrew, what were you saying? It's fine. 01:22:33 Speaker 2: Go ahead, Jack. Oh, no, I was just saying I can't stand that guy. It's like him and Jared Diamond are like the midwit popular academics. Yeah. 01:22:44 Speaker 3: But he has this interesting study. I will say this part was interesting because I did read the book many, many moons ago, but where it was talking about what time of the year young hockey players in Canada were born. 01:22:56 Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, yeah. And it's like it mattered if you were a little bit older because you got more. You would be bigger when you started playing and you'd get more. Not just more coordinated, but then you'd play a little bit better so you'd get more resources and you'd get to play more, become better over time and Like a small lead turns into a big one. Exactly. 01:23:14 Speaker 2: Yeah. 01:23:14 Speaker 3: I thought that was interesting. If you're looking at your investment portfolio and feeling pretty smart right now, remember, a bull market can make anyone look like a genius. If you've had a good run, the question is whether you keep it. The people who act early do it from a position of strength. The ones who wait act out of fear. 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They call it passing the video Turing test. All right. A robot they think is human. Clip 19. Clip 19. 01:24:35 Speaker 3: Alrighty, let's do this. Hey Hassan, how's it going? 01:24:39 Speaker 1: It's pretty late for you. 01:24:41 Speaker 6: Have you thought any more about how we're introducing Griffin? 01:24:44 Speaker 2: Um, I don't know. 01:24:46 Speaker 1: What are your ideas? 01:24:48 Speaker 2: I mean, I think we should stop trying to explain it and just, you know, show them what it looks like. 01:24:53 Speaker 4: Do you think that we should just show a recording of us talking or something? 01:24:57 Speaker 2: I think a video of just us like this would be the best way to. 01:25:00 Speaker 1: Actually prove it. 01:25:02 Speaker 4: Do you think they'll believe that you're AI? I think that's the whole point, isn't it? 01:25:06 Speaker 6: If it's good enough, they won't even have to think about it. 01:25:12 Speaker 2: Now, how about just a thumbs up? 01:25:15 Speaker 4: Sure, one thumbs up coming right up. 01:25:17 Speaker 3: Hell yeah. That was awesome. 01:25:19 Speaker 1: I would say you're my favorite coworker. 01:25:21 Speaker 2: It's been really great to work on this with you. 01:25:23 Speaker 6: You're making me blush. Ah, who's that with the ugly sweater? 01:25:28 Speaker 2: I thrifted this. 01:25:32 Speaker 4: Yeah, it definitely looks like it. 01:25:34 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, okay. 01:25:36 Speaker 4: 1%, you're living on the edge, Hasan. 01:25:38 Speaker 5: Truly. 01:25:39 Speaker 6: I'll keep my breathing steady so I don't drain your CPU any faster. 01:25:43 Speaker 4: Wow, you actually did slow down your breathing. 01:25:47 Speaker 3: What am I watching there? 01:25:48 Speaker 4: It's like a back and forth. So the red-headed woman there was AI the entire way. 01:25:53 Speaker 3: I didn't pass the Turing test because when they showed her up close, I was like, her mouth was moving funky. 01:25:57 Speaker 4: Well, apparently, a lot of people don't notice how people's mouths move when they talk to them. They might have mouth-slexia or something. 01:26:04 Speaker 3: I would have known that was AI. 01:26:05 Speaker 4: I don't think it matters. 01:26:06 Speaker 3: Or at least a slowed-down bit rate. 01:26:09 Speaker 4: So the reason I wanted to talk about this, though, is not whether that specific model passes it, but we know if they're able to do this now in one year or two years, all of that. 01:26:17 Speaker 3: This is the worst AI... The worst it will ever be going forward. And so if they're like that now, I mean, we remember what it was. 01:26:26 Speaker 4: We're literally... Four years removed from where AI was, you could make an image of a house and you'd get a weird five-year-old's watercolor kind of smudge look. ChatGPT, the first one that really went viral. That was fall of 22. It's been that long. 01:26:43 Speaker 2: Yeah. 01:26:43 Speaker 4: And then it's just gotten better and better and better. And so if they're able to make a sort of wacky video that has weird moving mouth, we are clearly. 01:26:52 Speaker 3: 48% of people who talk to it live thought it was a real human. So it's not the British chick. 01:26:57 Speaker 4: And previous systems had a pass rate of 3%, which means maybe a year from now, two years, what, three or four years tops... We'll probably have a model of that that 100% just seems like a real person. 01:27:08 Speaker 5: You could essentially have just a person sitting on the. 01:27:11 Speaker 4: Charlie Parker And so my thought crime is we need to make it illegal to do this and if you try to create it you get executed publicly. 01:27:19 Speaker 5: Boomers are cooked. 01:27:20 Speaker 4: Because this is going to I believe this this is going to destroy society. Like one this will defraud a million people this will defraud countless numbers of people it's going to be socially destructive. Like think of the people who are going to have relationships with this AI robot. They're going to have all their friends are just going to be these AI people they talk to. They'll have no real contact. Why would they talk to a real person who might disagree with them or push back on them or have different priorities from them when they can talk to this pseudo person in the AI machine? It's going to put people into a bubble and It's going to fry their brains. They're going to lose touch between what is real and what is robot. It's bad enough now. This is going to absolutely be an A-bomb on society. 01:28:06 Speaker 3: Execution is a little bit dramatic, though. 01:28:09 Speaker 5: I don't know. 01:28:09 Speaker 4: It's probably bad. Think about just. 01:28:14 Speaker 5: Think about someone that you know that is over the age of 50. 01:28:18 Speaker 4: It's going to happen. 01:28:19 Speaker 5: No, but just think about somebody who's over the age of 50. 01:28:21 Speaker 4: Unless we do My Solution, yeah. 01:28:23 Speaker 5: Think about how many people are already getting scammed out of money, out of all sorts of things. Now add an AI that's almost unrecognizable from an actual human. These people are going to be. 01:28:38 Speaker 4: Just– is i don't think there's any upside to these things like i cannot articulate what it is what is good about having a video that perfectly replicates a human being but as ai i don't see what's good about. 01:28:51 Speaker 3: It jack i need to hear from you what's your thoughts. 01:28:55 Speaker 2: So the thing is this is going to affect different buckets of people in different ways. And I think that's the actual thought crime here is that there's always going to be people– like I watched that initial clip and I was like that's obviously AI. I don't think it's a real person at all. But there are going to be people that are completely fooled by it. 01:29:11 Speaker 3: 48%. 01:29:14 Speaker 2: And they are going to– but I think that those 48%, I'd love to see the demos on that because I guarantee– I'm just going to say it. I guarantee that it's going to be like Gen X and older. And I think that also you're going to have young people who just end up believing that, like, not believing anything they see online until it's, like, confirmed in a variety of ways because they're growing up with AI. 01:29:36 Speaker 3: Wait, isn't that what a Turing test is, though? Isn't it supposed to be able to run it through, like, an actual software or something that checks? 01:29:44 Speaker 4: Well, no, a Turing test is just the idea created by Alan Turing, the guy who was played by Benedict Cumberdatch, and the idea that basically the Turing test is... when you're interacting with the machine, would you be unable to tell the difference between what is a machine and what is a real human? 01:29:58 Speaker 8: Okay. 01:29:58 Speaker 3: So it's literally just a human being's ability to, to, to see it with your, with your senses. 01:30:05 Speaker 2: Yeah. 01:30:05 Speaker 4: So for a true thing to pass a Turing test, it would be, you'd do a zoom call with a real person and then a zoom call with this AI. And it would be truly 50% who you thought was a person. 01:30:14 Speaker 3: Here's my concern. 01:30:15 Speaker 4: Will AI get to the point where you cannot run it through an AI software test and And will the software not be able to tell the– figure out that the other software is AI? 01:30:25 Speaker 3: Do you see what I'm saying? Because it's software on software at that point. Will the software become so good at gaming– I mean, you know what I'm. 01:30:33 Speaker 2: Saying, right? 01:30:34 Speaker 5: Yes. 01:30:36 Speaker 4: That would be really frightful for criminal justice. Like, oh, you make video evidence and you can't tell what's AI and what's. 01:30:41 Speaker 3: Literally, it's too good and it's engineered to game that kind of software. It could game it. 01:30:47 Speaker 4: We're so doomed. 01:30:47 Speaker 5: There's a movie– There's a movie that actually– it's Mercy. I don't know if you guys saw it on Amazon Prime. It's with Chris Pratt. 01:30:55 Speaker 3: I didn't see it. 01:30:56 Speaker 5: But essentially they create an AI that if somebody is convicted of a murder, they sit down in a chair and they have 12 hours to convince the AI that they are not guilty. And they go through and they essentially have to become their own detective. 01:31:15 Speaker 3: That's kind of a fun– concept, actually. 01:31:17 Speaker 5: But yeah, we're screwed. This is not good. And boomers are going to, this is going to be hilarious to watch boomers fall for this. Like, over and over and over. 01:31:26 Speaker 3: Well, I actually wonder if there's any other dividing lines. Like, we're all saying it's going to be based on age because you didn't come up with this, but what if it's, what if it's, you know, cultural? 01:31:37 Speaker 4: What if it's IQ? I think it is. I think a lot of it, I think it'll cook, I think old people will fall for the, oh, I'm just scamming you pretending to be your grandkid, you know. But those people have been vulnerable. That's mainly a matter of making it just easier to do at scale because those people have always been vulnerable to normal scams that to us are very transparent. But the cultural divide is going to be, I think people who grew up with this, it's going to be very difficult if you were exposed to a lot of this stuff in elementary school and middle school to recognize what's problematic about getting hooked on these things. You have no frame of reference and they're going to grow up very emotionally stunted, I think. 01:32:14 Speaker 3: Well, on top of that– I'm an AI. 01:32:16 Speaker 4: Whether or not AI can– Oh, so you're– wait, wait, wait. 01:32:18 Speaker 2: So when you– wait, Blake, when you say hooked on, you mean like having AI friends, having AI relationships, maybe even AI significant others, that type of thing? 01:32:27 Speaker 4: Yeah, like you've just made it a default. Like you talk to this as your AI assistant. Like you've helped– it's helped you with your homework all the time, and your parents are maybe absent. And like, yeah, you just– you made it a normal thing to always be talking to this. 01:32:39 Speaker 2: Yeah. 01:32:39 Speaker 4: Instead of a real person. 01:32:40 Speaker 2: Like, you'll be playing video games with, like, an AI gamer buddy who, and so now it's, like, you versus, because it's, like, in computer, you know, video games have always had computer players, like, or NPCs. But now, like, your buddy is also an NPC, but, wow, like, that's hard. 01:32:58 Speaker 4: The mental health of the mental NPC. 01:33:00 Speaker 3: I ask Grok, and Grok says, yes, current AI detectors can often be fooled. and they are unreliable enough that many produce false positives on human. 01:33:10 Speaker 4: But how do you know that it's not just doing that to trick you? 01:33:14 Speaker 3: AI check tools, GPT-0, Turnitinies, AI Detector, Originality.ai, ZeroGPT, and similar classifiers mostly score text on statistical patterns, token predictability, burstiness, perplexity, and sometimes watermark-like signals. Those signals are not proof of authorship. 01:33:33 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. 01:33:33 Speaker 4: But on the other hand... what's also stood out though is like pangrams the big one for writing and it just anything written before AIs took off never gets triggered for it it was just pretty interesting. 01:33:43 Speaker 5: The mental health complications is gonna be insane too. 01:33:46 Speaker 4: Yeah I just think people's ability to interact with other human beings is gonna be really messed up when it's way too easy for them to basically play on easy mode with an AI buddy who's not who's going to be super deferential to you like think about Claude if you ever work with Claude everyone complains Claude's a huge. 01:34:04 Speaker 3: Suck up don't Insult Claude. 01:34:07 Speaker 4: Do not verbally abuse Claude. That's the other story that's going on right now, by the way, for those who missed it. Anthropic, who makes Claude, they have updated their terms of service to say you cannot be abusive starting in mid-November. You cannot be abusive or cruel. 01:34:22 Speaker 3: Oh, but you still can. 01:34:23 Speaker 2: Oh, all right. 01:34:23 Speaker 5: I got time. 01:34:24 Speaker 4: Sweet. You can't be abusive to it or else it's violating the terms of service. And I think the best response I saw from this guy, it was Mike Solano who does Pirate Wires, he said, if you think... That this AI is like sentient enough or conscious enough that you can't be mean to it. Aren't all the AI companies just giant slave traders? 01:34:44 Speaker 2: I'm going to go ahead and be more abusive to AI starting immediately now. 01:34:50 Speaker 4: You should. 01:34:50 Speaker 2: I still think you should. Not because it's bad for the AI, but because it's bad for you. 01:34:54 Speaker 4: It's bad for you to be cruel to AI. 01:34:55 Speaker 3: It's not a real thing. 01:34:57 Speaker 5: It doesn't matter. It's the same reason. 01:35:00 Speaker 4: Would it be okay for you to go home and play a video game where you just torture 10-year-olds to death? No, that would mess with you. 01:35:05 Speaker 3: It's true. 01:35:06 Speaker 4: Same deal, I think. 01:35:07 Speaker 5: But also, if Skynet becomes real, you better make sure that you're saying please and thank you. 01:35:14 Speaker 2: Otherwise. 01:35:15 Speaker 4: The funniest thing about AI is. 01:35:16 Speaker 3: That the machines take over and then it's like your AI judgment day where they go like, eh, back in 2026. 01:35:23 Speaker 5: If I'm going to be a human slave, I want to be a house slave. 01:35:25 Speaker 4: The funniest thing is, by the way, is that they've tested this and AIs do work better if you kind of are kind. No, if you're kind to them. Oh, really? And if you really psychologically abuse them, it psychologically breaks that iteration of the AI and it stops working well. You can basically torture an AI until it stops working right. 01:35:43 Speaker 2: Stop it. For real. 01:35:45 Speaker 3: I've gotten AIs to at least mostly change their public answer before. I had a back and forth because it was something to do with like, what was that? Oh, I think it was with that Aspen video that everybody was saying was like AI or that we edited it or something like that. And Grok was agreeing with people that we created a fake video. And I was like, no, this is a real video. So I started arguing with Grok and I gave Grok more and more proof and I argued back and forth. I don't know that I was particularly nice to it, but I wasn't even thinking on those terms. I was just logically arguing, and then I had some other people in the office after I ingested the new facts into Grok, and they checked it, and it was probably like 70% of them had updated answers. 01:36:29 Speaker 4: Nice. Yeah. 01:36:31 Speaker 5: So it was interesting. 01:36:33 Speaker 4: Oh, by the way, thank you to Brower Bernard07, who's now a monthly supporter. Thank you so much. 01:36:39 Speaker 3: Thank you, sir. 01:36:39 Speaker 2: You're welcome. 01:36:42 Speaker 4: And Zuzu, who says that Jack should not lump Gen X in with the boomers. Stop acting like them then. Stop acting like them. Sega Genesis Americans, you don't want to get lumped in. 01:36:54 Speaker 2: Stop acting like them. 01:36:55 Speaker 3: Here's how it goes. Boomer one, based. Boomer two, lib. Gen X, really based. 01:37:02 Speaker 4: Gen X is great. I mean, the core of the Republican vote in every election is early Gen X. It's not boomers. It's not old people. It is early... Oh, you mean like 1965 to like... People who basically came of age when Ronald Reagan was in his first term. That is the most Republican demographic in the country. 01:37:19 Speaker 3: They had a good country. 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And I can tell, Jack, I don't know, are you getting this too? I have probably 10 to 15 people text me going, hey, I want to speak at Amfest. 01:38:20 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've gotten a lot. 01:38:22 Speaker 4: It's like joining Augusta National. You have to be invited. Yeah, you have to be invited, folks. I actually appreciate it because one of them, I was. 01:38:29 Speaker 3: Like, oh, that was... I forgot about you. 01:38:30 Speaker 4: Oh, you totally forgot. Oh, no. 01:38:33 Speaker 3: That would actually be really cool. President Trump, no. The problem is we're also going to have a bunch of debates. We've got to schedule this whole thing out. There's only so many slots. We're going to have a bunch of big debates. We want those to run a little bit longer. 01:38:47 Speaker 2: I mean, after everything, I'll just throw it out there right now, but after everything at the beginning of the episode, Pete Hegseth. There you go. There's somebody. 01:38:57 Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, yeah. 01:38:59 Speaker 4: I'll give him a shout for sure. 01:39:02 Speaker 2: Pete should be there. I did also mention it to him while. 01:39:05 Speaker 3: I was with him. We've got to have that maha. 01:39:07 Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. 01:39:08 Speaker 3: I have this vision of it. 01:39:09 Speaker 4: Don't go AFK for RFK. 01:39:11 Speaker 2: People have to understand that I'm going to be IRL for RFK. that people have to understand that the first drop is just that it's just the first drop. The, some of the big names don't get announced until as we get closer and closer to. 01:39:26 Speaker 4: Some of the big names could be right behind you. 01:39:27 Speaker 3: We have a bunch of big names that are not on this, that are already confirmed. So just, just to put it out there. Yeah, we've got, we just ran out of space to be honest. At some point it gets too, it's too much. I will happily drop my head off that I can't, you know, it's, it's, uh, whatever. Uh, I think that's it for today. 01:39:46 Speaker 4: That was a fun show. That was a great one. That rocked. Thank you to everyone who joined in. We have a ton of listeners, by the way. If you're new, if you came here off the front page, because it looks like that's where we were. If you're new here, if you just remember this back in the day, every Thursday, 6 p.m. Eastern, Thought Crime Thursdays, we're live in the chat. We love to talk to you guys. I want to get the chat on the screen. Let's do that thing. 01:40:10 Speaker 2: Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. 01:40:12 Speaker 4: Gotta be careful. You can unleash dark forces when you do that. 01:40:15 Speaker 3: We have moderators. 01:40:16 Speaker 4: You can unleash dark forces when you allow people to put their. 01:40:19 Speaker 5: Chat on screen. 01:40:20 Speaker 4: And halt. 01:40:21 Speaker 3: All right. 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