THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 140 — AI Worship Music? Trump Presidential Ratings? Lake America?

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Most important decision I ever made in my life, and I encourage you to do the same. 00:00:45 Speaker 1: Here I am. 00:00:46 Speaker 3: Lord, use me. Buckle up, everybody. 00:00:49 Speaker 1: Here we go. Noble Gold Investments is the official gold sponsor of The Charlie Kirk Show. a company that specializes in gold IRAs and physical delivery of precious metals. Learn how you could protect your wealth with Noble Gold Investments at noblegoldinvestments.com. That is noblegoldinvestments.com. 00:01:17 Speaker 4: Well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard to this week's edition of Thought Crime. We've got an incredible list of topics for you. We've got an incredible list amount of thought crimes, because as we see, the thought crime piles up day to day, week to week, year to year, most of which, of course, contributed by us. And I love to see that we have the we have the fab four here today with a fab four are here. We got Andrew. What's up, Andrew? 00:01:50 Speaker 3: I'm just I'm just wondering if we're going to go viral again. I'm wondering. I'm wondering. Seems like almost every show we say something. 00:01:59 Speaker 4: We were kind of off last week. We didn't quite hit the... Because we were early with the Lindsay Clancy thing. That's what it was. 00:02:05 Speaker 3: That's the problem. We were a little bit early. So the women didn't get to attack us in the comments about that yet. Right, so they were already... Yeah, the. 00:02:13 Speaker 4: Hive mind was already popping off. 00:02:14 Speaker 5: Yeah, they just hadn't quite realized that they needed the constitutional right to strangle their kids if they were annoying. 00:02:20 Speaker 6: Jeez. 00:02:21 Speaker 7: Oh, gosh. 00:02:22 Speaker 8: Uh. 00:02:23 Speaker 3: We didn't know that was part of the Constitution. By the way, Tyler's not wearing a hat, so this is a big deal. Hatless Tyler. I do want to say, for purposes of Lindsey Clancy, so as we're recording this. 00:02:33 Speaker 6: On Thursday, we do not know if the jury will come back. 00:02:35 Speaker 3: Yet in real time here on Thursday, but the jury has yet to come back with a verdict. 00:02:53 Speaker 4: So we will see. So if that changes, I don't know, we'll have to make Blake come in on a Saturday to record his thought crime response. 00:03:02 Speaker 5: Oh, that'll definitely go viral when we respond to that. 00:03:06 Speaker 6: I cannot wait to see the responses from the insane people. 00:03:10 Speaker 5: And the truth is, I'll be honest, my gut read is we're going to get an acquittal or mistrial. I just think it's... Nine women, three guys on the jury. Oh, no. I didn't realize that. You think about how the reason I think it'll be hard for them to overcome that the husband was testifying on her behalf. I think it's going to be hard for them to overcome. Even though it doesn't make too much sense to us, that's my vibe feel. And then America's going to have a giant spaz out about it. But we don't need to litigate that because we'll have ample chance to do so. And we have a hard out tonight for various reasons. 00:03:44 Speaker 3: Yes. So we wanted to dive in. 00:03:46 Speaker 5: We were going to talk about AI worship music, and we still want to talk about that. But then, hot off the presses, dropping in like a comet from the skies, mere minutes before we went live, President Donald J. 00:03:57 Speaker 2: Trump. 00:03:58 Speaker 3: Trump. 00:03:59 Speaker 5: Donald Trump dropped his canonical ranking of the United States presidents with, like, 15 presidents missing, which is pretty funny. 00:04:09 Speaker 3: I love this. 00:04:09 Speaker 5: But everyone has to break down President Trump's List of greatest presidents because, honestly, it's a pretty funny ranking. He has Woodrow Wilson and FDR as great presidents. He has Ronald Reagan as not a president. He's not on the list. He has Joe Biden and Obama as failures, understandably, but neither of the Bushes and no Nixon, no LBJ. Very interesting. 00:04:35 Speaker 3: That is weird that they got left off. I wonder what the explanation for that is. If he just Might have been AI generated originally. Yeah, I was going to say. Create a ranking of presidents with me at the top of it. It's interesting that he includes Woodrow Wilson. I got a big issue with that in The Great. And Theodore Roosevelt. A lot of people give Theodore Roosevelt a pass because he kind of shepherded us through World War II. FDR, you mean FDR. Who did I say? You said Theodore. Oh, yeah. FDR. Sorry. 00:05:03 Speaker 4: Mixed up your Roosevelt's. 00:05:04 Speaker 3: Yeah. Mixed up. Well, Teddy, I would have put in the great column and he has. 00:05:08 Speaker 4: Wait, Teddy's not great. 00:05:09 Speaker 3: Hold on. 00:05:10 Speaker 4: I got to I got to see this better. 00:05:11 Speaker 5: Well, what genuinely gets me wondering, looking at this is that I feel like President Trump himself didn't necessarily make all of this is, for example, it has McKinley as just an average president. And we actually know he loves a bit of a McKinley fan. He likes the Spanish-American War. He likes the assertive foreign policy. I think McKinley was also a tariff guy that Trump likes. That's actually a president he looks up to. 00:05:35 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think– I was going to say I think maybe somebody else made this and sent it to him because he does post a lot of stuff that other people make and then send over. So I think it's more like– the way to read this is more like Trump is at the top and then Biden, Obama, Harding, and Carter– are at the bottom. But, like, Grant is a failure? Like, why are we calling Grant a failure? 00:05:59 Speaker 6: Yeah, Grant is not a failure. 00:06:01 Speaker 3: Grant was. Well, what's interesting about this, one. 00:06:04 Speaker 5: Thing that feels AI-generated to me is this is very close to the ranking you would have gotten in the 90s. In fact, I had a children's book about the presidents that was from the 80s or 90s. I think Clinton was president when it came out. Yeah, so it would be the 90s then. It had in the back a ranking of each of the presidents or how historians usually considered them. And this was the norm at the time. So Wilson used to be ranked very highly. He only started to fall off when everyone got more obsessed with racism, so they started to demote him for was-a-racist reasons. Harding and Grant were always the failure tier for a lot of the 20th century. The idea is Grant mismanaged the end of Reconstruction, that Grant had an economic panic, that his administration was really corrupt. Grant and Harding both had really corrupt administrations, and they got penalized a lot by historians. 00:06:53 Speaker 3: Whereas today. 00:06:54 Speaker 5: People are more likely to say Grant was higher because he tried to enforce civil rights for black Americans. So there's been fluctuations in the last 20 years. This is a ranking from 25 years ago. Yeah, but Coolidge was great. But Coolidge is, again, in those lists, Coolidge got ranked lowly, mainly because historians are biased towards exciting. 00:07:14 Speaker 3: Presidents, and Coolidge was not exciting. He was not exciting. He was just good. 00:07:18 Speaker 6: And also the lead. 00:07:19 Speaker 3: Buchanan? 00:07:19 Speaker 7: Buchanan. 00:07:20 Speaker 3: Buchanan was below average. Okay, he's got below average. You've got Johnson as average? No way. Andrew Johnson? Andrew Johnson was terrible. Andrew Johnson was great. 00:07:28 Speaker 5: And no LBJ, who my humble opinion is that LBJ is the worst president. 00:07:32 Speaker 3: It's really interesting. Woodrow Wilson should be in the failures. 00:07:34 Speaker 6: It's really interesting that they left off JFK and Reagan. I think I know the reason for Reagan. But JFK, they actually put, so the Trump administration last term, they issue a special Christmas ornament every year, right? So it's very special, and it's, like, different every year, and it's kind of picked by the president and the first lady. We get those. One of them was a JFK ornament. So I'm not sure why you would. 00:08:04 Speaker 3: So he likes them. 00:08:05 Speaker 6: I'm not sure why you would pick JFK as, like, The special ornament and then completely leave them off the list. 00:08:11 Speaker 3: Yeah, that is interesting. 00:08:13 Speaker 4: We have all the Trump year White House ornaments, but we made sure to not take the illegitimate Biden ornaments. 00:08:20 Speaker 9: Yes. 00:08:21 Speaker 3: Well, that's good. 00:08:22 Speaker 6: But the JFK one's pretty nice, right? Remember? 00:08:24 Speaker 4: I love the JFK one. 00:08:26 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so good. 00:08:26 Speaker 5: Hoover as average, that's really glaring. 00:08:29 Speaker 6: On here, too. I would put JFK in near. 00:08:32 Speaker 3: Great, maybe. 00:08:33 Speaker 5: You can simp for Hoover a little bit if you want and say he doesn't deserve as much blame, but objectively, it was a failed presidency in the sense that it was a giant crash, was totally defined by it, gets wiped out on his shot for re-election. 00:08:47 Speaker 3: I don't know how you'd spin Hoover... Positively. I don't know how you spin that positively. 00:08:52 Speaker 4: Wait, both Bushes are gone. 00:08:54 Speaker 3: Yeah, no Bush, no Nixon, no LBJ. Neither Bushes. 00:08:58 Speaker 6: It's like they left off because they didn't want to tick off. 00:09:02 Speaker 3: Yeah, they didn't even want to poke. No, Reagan is a really clever one. 00:09:06 Speaker 6: So JFK, Reagan, H.W., and W. 00:09:08 Speaker 3: Bush. Oh, no, Eisenhower either. 00:09:10 Speaker 6: That's right. 00:09:11 Speaker 3: Eisenhower, I would put in the near great to great. I would put Reagan. 00:09:15 Speaker 6: Eisenhower's awesome. Eisenhower's great. Yeah, yeah. 00:09:18 Speaker 3: I'm just saying, like, okay, but look at who he's got in the greats, right? He's got Andrew Jackson, Thomas Jefferson, Washington, and Lincoln. Those are pretty dang great. 00:09:25 Speaker 6: Eisenhower ushered in the new Republican Party. 00:09:29 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:09:30 Speaker 6: Post-World War II. 00:09:31 Speaker 5: Eisenhower's just, like, so many accomplishments. Like, he is the last American president from really before. 00:09:36 Speaker 3: 60s is when America starts to go to rot. 00:09:39 Speaker 5: We do great things, like we land on the moon, but that's when, like, the sclerosis of DEI starts to take over our institutions. 00:09:47 Speaker 3: It's when we stop really building. 00:09:48 Speaker 5: That's when we start getting all those charts where wages stop going up. 00:09:52 Speaker 3: What's that one year that everything changed? 00:09:54 Speaker 5: I think 72 or 73, but a lot of it is a little bit before that. We opened the borders in 65. 00:10:00 Speaker 3: 65. Have we ever talked about what it was about 73 that all the metrics start going in. 00:10:05 Speaker 5: A bad direction? I don't know that we've ever debated it on ThoughtCrime, and people aren't sure. A common blame is the oil shock may have set things off. But it's not always easy to figure out. 00:10:15 Speaker 3: It's not the gold standard at that time. I think that was a little bit earlier. That was during Nixon. 00:10:22 Speaker 6: You know what's interesting? I just found an article that was written by Pat Buchanan in 2012. 00:10:31 Speaker 3: And it's ranking the presidents? 00:10:32 Speaker 6: And it's ranking the presidents. I think it's the exact ranking here. It was the American conservative. And look, it says it's Pat Buchanan. And he said, leading the list for great were Abraham Lincoln, George Washington, FDR. 00:10:52 Speaker 6: Woodrow Wilson, Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Jackson. So this is the great. 00:10:56 Speaker 3: This is Buchanan's list. 00:10:58 Speaker 6: This is Buchanan's list. 00:10:59 Speaker 3: And then, yeah, the near greats are. 00:11:00 Speaker 6: Congratulations, I figured this out before everybody else. 00:11:02 Speaker 3: This is exactly the 90s list, but they must have. 00:11:05 Speaker 6: No, no, no. 00:11:06 Speaker 3: He did edit it because they threw Biden in there. 00:11:08 Speaker 6: Wait, wait, wait. This is 2012, though, so this is past. 00:11:12 Speaker 3: But this is peak. 00:11:13 Speaker 5: This is like totally what those 20th century historians would do, that Woodrow Wilson, he gets a bonus because he. 00:11:18 Speaker 3: presided over dramatic events. We're in World War I and we won. 00:11:23 Speaker 6: Pat Buchanan writes, the near greats are Teddy Roosevelt, Grover Cleveland, John Adams, and James Caple. 00:11:29 Speaker 3: I don't understand the Grover Cleveland one. Why is he considered near great? Honestly, I'm not sure in that case. His first term was pretty good. 00:11:38 Speaker 5: His second was not as great, which is why he ended up getting replaced. 00:11:43 Speaker 3: By a Republican again. But. 00:11:46 Speaker 5: Honestly, I'm not sure. I'm actually trying to remember Grover Cleveland's big accomplishments. 00:11:50 Speaker 3: He wasn't bad. He was praised, uncompromising integrity. He fought corruption. Veto power. He used the presidential veto hundreds of times to block private pension bills and federal subsidies he viewed as wasteful or unconstitutional, earning a reputation as a watchdog over public funds. Executive independence. He fiercely protected the power and autonomy of the executive branch, restoring a balance of power between the presidency and Congress. 00:12:12 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, there's stuff. There's a lot to like about Grover Cleveland if you're a Republican. He was a Democrat when that was a more conservative thing. But even, I don't know, it's kind of weird. I just find this a very funny list. I think it's amusing how it definitely seems to be channeling. It's probable that someone sent it to him and it was a mixture of that 1996 ranking and then making sure to throw in Biden and Obama as terrible names. And a couple others in there. 00:12:40 Speaker 6: I mean, the biggest thing, and this is... I think what's most interesting about this list is who's missing, right? So I think they obviously... This is 2012, so Biden-Obama hadn't existed yet. Or I guess this was a. 00:12:56 Speaker 3: It wasn't even 2012. 00:12:56 Speaker 5: That was 96, I think, was the ranking he's describing. 00:12:59 Speaker 6: Oh, really? 00:13:00 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:13:01 Speaker 6: Oh, this is printed on 2012. But anyways, the point is they left out Intentionally, like the most recent presidents, for whatever reason, they were looking way more in the past. 00:13:16 Speaker 3: I'm looking at who the viewers. 00:13:20 Speaker 3: Dylan is wondering where Taft is, which is definitely a glaring absence. Oh, wait, no, he's average. Yeah, there he is. What about Taft? 00:13:26 Speaker 4: I agree. 00:13:26 Speaker 5: Taft is definitely... He's average, except in size, where he is great. He's dominating the great tier. 00:13:32 Speaker 3: He's a girthy man. In terms of girthiness. I had the honor of a lifetime to call Charlie a friend. And what I remember most wasn't just what people saw on stage. It was what was behind the scenes. That was an unwavering commitment to his faith, his love for his family, and his genuine desire to encourage others to live with courage and conviction. Charlie believed that following Christ wasn't something you compartmentalize. He didn't put it in a box. He lived it out loud. It shaped how he lived, how he served. how he treated people every single day. Charlie Kirk, American Martyr, captures that heart. This documentary isn't just simply about remembering Charlie. It's an invitation for each of us to ask what kind of legacy we're building and whether we're willing to stand firm in our own faith when it's tested. I hope that you'll watch it with your family and have those conversations together. Go to angel.com slash Kirk. That's angel.com slash Kirk. Become an Angel Guild member. Watch Charlie Kirk, American Martyr, and help bring more stories of faith, courage, and conviction to audiences around the world. Let's see. 00:14:44 Speaker 6: I think the most glaring absence here to me, especially if you're looking back past, obviously, is Reagan. It would be interesting to see where the president actually would rank him. I think he would rank him near great to not tick off too many people, but that would tick off a lot of people. 00:15:02 Speaker 3: Isn't that funny? That's a conversation. The ever-evolving legacy of Ronald Reagan. I feel like the amnesty stuff, his wife being pro-abortion, he was a big spender. 00:15:14 Speaker 5: It's funny because people get ranked by things that they consider important today more so than what was important at the time. During and immediate after, the idea was he was hawkish, and then we won the Cold War basically right after he left office, and so it was natural to get credit for that. 00:15:30 Speaker 3: So it defeats the Soviet Union. If you take the incredible inflationary period that he basically came after Jimmy Carter, got the economy rip-roaring again. The 80s were an objectively all-American decade. 00:15:44 Speaker 5: But now it's a time where we have the Caldwell thesis where he says Reagan just decided to fix the crisis of the 60s and 70s with permanent deficit spending. And that wasn't really that bad in the 80s because we were starting from zero. 00:15:59 Speaker 3: But he started a really bad trend. 00:16:00 Speaker 5: But it's just kept going since then, so he's going to get blamed for the fact now we have $ 40 trillion. And he didn't borrow the vast majority of that, but he established the practice. 00:16:11 Speaker 6: Yeah, he did. 00:16:11 Speaker 5: And I think people are going to blame him for that. 00:16:13 Speaker 3: He also wanted, what do you call it, space? Space lasers. Yeah, Star Wars. No, Star Wars. That's what he wanted. I don't think that mattered. Shall we move on? Let's move on. Let's move on. But that was a very funny thing. Jack's favorite Christian AI worship. 00:16:26 Speaker 4: All righty. So this is– I do want to throw out for everybody who's– if everybody's watching, send in your suggestions or corrections to where you think that various presidents, including the presidents who are not included, should be on this list. 00:16:41 Speaker 3: Yeah, are we watching our Rumble chats, guys? We always do. 00:16:44 Speaker 5: So this next thing we've wanted to talk to for a little while. In fact, there was an article from a year ago that highlighted that this was emerging as a phenomenon. Uh, it was titled, it was in Christianity today and it was the current number one Christian artist has no soul. And someone who was topping a, uh, a chart, it was a guy on Spotify, Solomon Ray, a Mississippi made soul singer with Southern soul revival. And he had, uh, A Soulful Christmas was his album, and it had Jingle Bell Soul and Soul to the World. And he had over 300,000 monthly listeners. And it turned out. 00:17:17 Speaker 3: That that guy was not a real person. And it's one thing. 00:17:23 Speaker 5: We know there's going to be a ton of AI-generated slop imagery. There's slop videos, slop music. But this guy was specifically releasing Christmas Christian soul music. 00:17:35 Speaker 3: Do we have the clip? Generated by an AI. 00:17:36 Speaker 5: I don't know if we have one for that specific guy, but we did have the team get a bunch of them. 00:17:41 Speaker 3: So here's an example. Let's do clip number three. Let me tell you something. Every voice ain't the truth. 00:17:54 Speaker 9: The devil is a liar. 00:18:02 Speaker 4: Only steals, kills, destroys. Don't you believe a thing he says? His worth ain't nothing but an oar. 00:18:12 Speaker 3: He promises you the world. 00:18:15 Speaker 4: Oh, but your soul is what he keeps. 00:18:18 Speaker 3: Oh, the devil is a liar. It's so funny when he's doing the little riffs, his mouth doesn't move at all. 00:18:25 Speaker 4: Whoops. 00:18:27 Speaker 3: I want to hear this with Forrest Frank. He's calling out the whole. 00:18:30 Speaker 5: Should we listen to at least one more AI one to get some variety here? 00:18:33 Speaker 3: I mean, we can. I mean, I don't know. 00:18:35 Speaker 5: There's one called Jesus and My Coffee, and that's really filling me with a lot of dread. So I think we got to play it. Play clip number six. 00:18:44 Speaker 9: Sun's up, I'm smiling slow. Pour that brew, let the blessings flow. Steam rising, faith on 10. Here we go again. Take a sip, take a breath. Ain't no rush, no stress. Got the good book by my side. And that peace I can't hide. 00:19:05 Speaker 3: Give me Jesus. 00:19:06 Speaker 9: That was squarely aimed at Andrew, who's the biggest coffee nut here. 00:19:32 Speaker 5: Frighteningly, our listeners are saying, wow, I hate to say it. That was actually good. MK says, I kind of liked it too. LOL. 00:19:41 Speaker 3: Thought crime, Jack. 00:19:42 Speaker 4: Uh-oh. Thought crime alert. It sounds indistinguishable from all other worship music. in that vein. And I'm sorry, guys. 00:19:52 Speaker 3: I'm so not a worship music guy. That's one take. It sounds indistinguishable. Forrest Frank is calling out all of this. Forrest Frank, I will say, his worship music is distinct. So, Sot 1. 00:20:02 Speaker 10: Number one album right now for Christian music on iTunes. 00:20:06 Speaker 4: And the number two top singles over Elevation, Brandon Lake, whoever. 00:20:11 Speaker 6: Is AI. 00:20:12 Speaker 10: And I hate to even bring attention to this, but I want to just let you guys know this is out there. And I think it's important that we just pause a little bit and kind of ask the questions of like, is this something that we want? At minimum, AI does not have the Holy Spirit inside of it. 00:20:25 Speaker 3: So I think that's. 00:20:26 Speaker 10: Really weird to be opening up your spirit to something that has no spirit. 00:20:31 Speaker 3: So what are we doing about this? Are we rejecting this? Are we championing this? 00:20:35 Speaker 6: I personally will not. 00:20:36 Speaker 4: Be listening to this. 00:20:37 Speaker 10: I already don't listen to secular music, and I'm sure I'm not going to be listening to AI Christian music. 00:20:44 Speaker 3: Oh, that's interesting. He doesn't listen to secular music. He used to make secular music. 00:20:49 Speaker 4: Wow. 00:20:49 Speaker 3: I mean, never listen. I wonder what counts as secular. 00:20:53 Speaker 4: I'm just going to say that sounds like a lot of sour grapes right there. He's like, oh, I got beat and people like stuff. 00:20:57 Speaker 3: That's low, low. 00:21:00 Speaker 4: Low effort that beat me at iTunes and you shouldn't listen to that. 00:21:05 Speaker 3: I don't think he's got any stuff out right now. 00:21:08 Speaker 4: It's almost like he's saying you shouldn't listen to anyone but me or you're a bad person. Okay, bro. 00:21:15 Speaker 5: This is an interesting take. This is an interesting take. I'm really glad we finally. 00:21:20 Speaker 4: Got to hit this. 00:21:22 Speaker 5: Before we continue, I think we should actually evaluate how strong this is. 00:21:26 Speaker 3: They were grabbing.... 00:21:28 Speaker 5: Because they were going for the Protestant music and more classical Christian hymns. And then they went and they got Latin Gregorian chant music. 00:21:36 Speaker 3: I want to hear what it is. 00:21:37 Speaker 5: And they got two versions of it, and we don't know which one is AI and which is real. 00:21:40 Speaker 3: So we're going to listen. 00:21:41 Speaker 6: Let me guess, because I listen to none of those. 00:21:44 Speaker 3: Okay, I don't listen to any of those. So let's go clip 30. Clip 30. All right, all right, cut that one, cut that one. All right, and now this is 31, the other one we got. Let's play that. Qui abitat in adiutorio. 00:22:31 Speaker 9: I vote. 00:22:40 Speaker 6: One. 00:22:42 Speaker 3: I vote one, too. You think one is AI? Yeah, because I think the Latin is just too much for them to. 00:22:49 Speaker 5: I'm going to say the second is AI. 00:22:51 Speaker 3: It feels easy. 00:22:53 Speaker 5: Something felt really slick about it to me, and I think that's usually an AI sign. 00:22:58 Speaker 3: All right, guys. Reveal it to me. Which one was actually AI? 00:23:04 Speaker 4: Yeah, but I mean, yeah, I'll say the second. I'll say the second. 00:23:07 Speaker 3: All right. What's the answer? I don't know. Let's find out. Which one was AI? Let us know here. Number two was AI. 00:23:15 Speaker 11: Yes. 00:23:17 Speaker 3: We win. You know, I actually, the first, like, note that guy sang, I was like, that sounds AI. But then, I don't know. 00:23:24 Speaker 5: It felt auto-tuney to me. And all of the AI music does sound a little auto-tuned, usually. 00:23:29 Speaker 3: All right. Well, what does the chat think? And what do you guys think? 00:23:32 Speaker 4: Well, I will say, though, that just on that, that, you know, that, you know, like, we don't listen to, you know, Gregorian chant, like, while we're, like, driving around or something. But we will actually throw that kind of stuff on when, so like we do a family rosary every week. And, you know, so when we're saying the family rosary, we do tend to listen to Gregorian chant and that kind of stuff. Or if we're like, you know, on the way to church or something. And it just kind of puts you in that worshipful mood, I feel like. 00:24:04 Speaker 3: I like it. 00:24:04 Speaker 5: So the follow-up here, so as Forrest Frank says, it's something with no soul. In fact, you could even argue like, It's a machine. You could say that the AIs are developed by people who are usually very anti-Christian in their outlook, post-Christian, and some of them might even literally be kind of modern-day Satanists or something. They want to deify humankind or whatever. So to use one of their machines to generate worship music. I guess here's a question. It's definitely, one, is it a valid act of religious piety to... create ai generated worship music like if you give it guidelines and then they generate the music is that valid or does the the words of the song the music the recording of it does that all need to come by human hands as an act of worship as an act of sort of musical prayer to be valid or is this is it kind of like playing an instrument and like it wouldn't be bad for you to play a piano or a violin even if it was made by a non-believer if you were using it towards good ends Could you say the same thing for this music? 00:25:08 Speaker 3: Or is it bad? 00:25:10 Speaker 5: As Forrest Franks says, bad, don't touch it. This is very, don't listen to it. 00:25:14 Speaker 3: I don't know. Jack, you got a take? 00:25:19 Speaker 4: So, I would say that, yeah, obviously, I'm certainly not going to listen to any of that stuff, either human-made or AI-made, just because I don't like it. But also that, I do think that you are probably losing something that if you are putting something on and you are intending for it to be a prayerful, you know, background to if your family's praying, if you are using it for, you know, I don't know, like in a prayer service, for example, or something like that, that if you're using AI, it's cutting through the point of using music To worship God. I had a nun when I was younger who said that when you sing, you pray twice. When you're singing, you're praying twice because it's the effort of the singing. 00:26:14 Speaker 3: Wasn't that Augustine who said that? I don't know. 00:26:17 Speaker 5: I heard the same thing in Catholic school. 00:26:20 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's a quote from St. Augustine. 00:26:26 Speaker 4: And it's great. I've always liked that. And so if it's AI, I think that kind of disintermediates the fact that it's like a prayer through songs. And I think that's cheating. It's not good. 00:26:39 Speaker 3: Hi, folks. Andrew Colvett here. I'd like to tell you about my friends over at YRefi. You've probably been hearing me talk about YRefi for some time now. We are all in with these guys. If you or someone you know is struggling with private student loan debt, take my advice and give them a call. Maybe you're behind on your payments. Maybe you're even in default. You don't have to live in this nightmare anymore. YRefi will provide you a custom payment based on your ability to pay. They tailor each loan individually. They can save you thousands of dollars, and you can get your life back. We go to campuses all over America, and we see student after student who's drowning in private student loan debt. Many of them don't even know how much they owe. YRefi can help. Just go to YRefi.com. That's the letter Y, then refi.com, and remember, Yrefi doesn't care what your credit score is. Just go to Yrefi.com and tell them your friend Andrew sent you. 00:27:38 Speaker 6: I think with AI in general, there's healthy AI and there's unhealthy AI. I think the healthy AI is when it's doing tasks or things that are monotonous or that will save people money and that allow people to do other jobs that are more intensive or better for society i think when you have when you have the computers or a really nefarious entity controlling things where they can start to manipulate the things that you're not paying attention to just like the media right so like the the whole argument with like the fake news and all that is that it got it became so controlled and so one direction that that people started slipping and not noticing that they were lying to you over and over and over and over and over until the lies got bigger and bigger until people finally kicked a lot of it to the curb. 00:28:34 Speaker 3: Yeah, they can subtly move us in a bad direction here. 00:28:37 Speaker 6: In 2015, 2016, that's really when it started happening was people were like, okay, basically in 15 years since the launch of cable news, 24-hour news cycle, the journalists destroyed media effectively in 15 years. And now it's far weaker now. far less listened to, far less read. I think the same goes with AIs. If we're not careful, even computers, essentially, will start to manipulate us and people will figure it out and then discard it and start to discard it. And so that's where you have to be careful. It's like, hey, if you're not paying attention or you lean way too much into it and you're like, oh, yeah, I trust it. 00:29:15 Speaker 3: That's way more complicated than my take. I'm on the force, Frank. take a hundred percent. I feel like if you're going to worship something and you're going to put your whole spirit in it. 00:29:26 Speaker 6: That is the force. That's kind of the forest frank take though. It's like, Hey, they don't have the Holy spirit insert. They could insert really bad things yeah along the way like if you're not paying attention to it you're just listening to it you're not listening to what the words say or that's actually from someone that's well intentioned intended like yeah then all of a sudden it can become something very evil i also think it's just. 00:29:46 Speaker 3: Like it's kind of like you don't want to date a robot you don't want to worship to a song that didn't have the holy spirit somebody that didn't write it who had the holy spirit in it right so it I just think it's important, the human touch here. 00:29:59 Speaker 6: But even like the Gregorian. 00:30:00 Speaker 3: We're image bearers of God. The AI is not. 00:30:02 Speaker 6: The Gregorian part, though, is like... I mean, to a certain extent, that computers already do handle the music part, maybe not the writing part, maybe not the words part, right? So I think there's elements of music. 00:30:14 Speaker 3: Sure, but like writing a melody, writing the lyrics, being inspired by God. I'm telling you, there is something... There is the divine spark that... when it happens, it happens and you need, you need that. 00:30:28 Speaker 6: But there's nothing different. So like the, so one of the things is like, I think people are getting sick of, you can tell AI like generated like graphics and stuff like that. 00:30:37 Speaker 8: Right. 00:30:38 Speaker 6: But there's an element to that. That's the exact same, right. Which is like, you know, new ideas are never going to be basically spring forth in the same kind of way, like in a very human way. If we, if AI takes over all graphic design. 00:30:51 Speaker 3: You think about the Bible, I agree. You think about the Bible, there's like, songs in the Bible. What do you think the Psalms are? They're all songs, right? But they're poems now for us. We don't know their melodies, but, but in the scriptures, they talk about the angels singing in heaven and all of these things. I mean, music and melody are so knit into the human experience and into the way we've been designed by our creator that to take that out of the realm of human creation, I don't like it. Uh, now you could say we created the AI, which created the music. Therefore it's almost like, but I just don't think it, it doesn't. No, But apparently a lot of people do, because to Forrest Frank's point, it's like number one and number two on the charts, which is very strange. 00:31:32 Speaker 5: It's getting me thinking on an interesting topic, which is, so if we should consume this as an act of worship. 00:31:39 Speaker 3: Created by another believer. 00:31:42 Speaker 5: it's been pointed out a lot of famous Christmas songs are by Jewish people, and most of those are the secular ones, so Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer. 00:31:47 Speaker 3: Rocking around the Christmas tree. 00:31:49 Speaker 5: But Do You Hear What I Hear was composed, I believe, at least the musical part was composed by a Jewish woman. And so, is that a valid worship? I suppose Do You Hear What I Hear is not necessarily an Orthodox Christian song anyway. 00:32:02 Speaker 3: It's like, Kind of vague. Yeah, it's just like vague heralding. 00:32:06 Speaker 5: It has a king who's happy that Jesus is born, and in reality, we know the king was very unhappy about Jesus being born. 00:32:12 Speaker 3: That's a good point. 00:32:12 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:32:13 Speaker 6: Interesting. 00:32:14 Speaker 5: But it gets me thinking about that. Would that cause similar issues if we knew that a song was by a non-believer? 00:32:21 Speaker 3: Well, honestly, it's funny because I used to live in Los Angeles, and I knew a lot of singer-songwriters, and they would write country music, even though they were total city kids that hated... Country values and traditional values. And it must have happened. 00:32:34 Speaker 5: There must be popular Christian music out there that was maybe just written by a producer to keep someone's career going. 00:32:41 Speaker 3: Or by Christians that ended up falling away or falling into sin, and they were just writing what they thought people were going to jive with. 00:32:47 Speaker 6: So here's the other side of that. 00:32:50 Speaker 4: But God could have been working on their hearts to open them up. 00:32:53 Speaker 3: To write the song. Yeah, a lot of different circumstances could be true. 00:32:57 Speaker 6: So what if God uses AI and creates better things? than human music? 00:33:02 Speaker 2: Dang it. 00:33:02 Speaker 3: That's a really good question. 00:33:04 Speaker 6: So what if all of a sudden Forrest Frank is totally wrong? 00:33:08 Speaker 3: If God is going to use it for his glory, then why should I care? Yeah. Dang it. 00:33:13 Speaker 4: Here's a thought crime. Aren't we just AI to God? Aren't all humans just. 00:33:17 Speaker 3: AI to God? 00:33:18 Speaker 6: You don't know how AI you are. 00:33:19 Speaker 3: I mean, on some sort of level, right? Like, you could make that analogy. But we are living beings with an eternal soul. We are intelligence created by a higher intelligence. Yeah, I get it. I get what you're saying. 00:33:31 Speaker 6: But to the point is like. 00:33:32 Speaker 3: That's less compelling to me, but I get what you're saying. And you're right, but it's also a false analogy. But yours is, if God can use AI worship music to bring more souls into heaven, then darn it, that challenges me. 00:33:47 Speaker 6: A lot of American Baptists. 00:33:48 Speaker 3: That legit challenges me. 00:33:50 Speaker 6: I've heard this from a lot of evangelicals, specifically American Baptists, and then also Mormons say this a lot, is that if it wasn't for the advances in American society, particularly. 00:34:03 Speaker 3: You mean like technological advances? 00:34:05 Speaker 6: Technological advances, like so many things that a lot of the gospel wouldn't be spread as quickly as it has been. 00:34:13 Speaker 3: Yeah, but again, that's human messengers using radio. 00:34:18 Speaker 6: Waves and TV. But yeah, but it's like the invention of the internet. Like there's so much bad, but there's also so much good. Like satellite TV. Like they're like, there's so much bad, but so much good, right? Like, there's clearly a ton of bad, but there's also... There's. 00:34:34 Speaker 3: Porn, but there's also Sunday morning sermons. 00:34:38 Speaker 6: There's Sunday morning sermons, yeah. So it's like AI kind of falls in the same category, which is like, there's going to be bad. 00:34:43 Speaker 3: Yeah, but we're talking specifically about people deploying AI for a religious purpose, for a good purpose. Would it be okay to use AI to translate the Bible? What? 00:34:49 Speaker 5: Would it be okay to use AI to translate the Bible? 00:34:52 Speaker 6: That's what I'm saying. So AI is like going to make it so much. 00:34:55 Speaker 3: Assuming you had humans checking the veracity and Accuracy. 00:34:59 Speaker 6: But again, you can make the argument AI is going to be much better at that today than even in the 1800s people translating the Bible. 00:35:06 Speaker 3: Yeah, but some of the translation work is kind of more of an art than a science, right? It's like you're trying to best define a word that doesn't have an actual counterpart in English, for example, out of the Greek or the Hebrew or. 00:35:22 Speaker 6: But that goes back to like sermons. So for example, you know, like Josh Howerton, who's become very popular in this last year, in particular on TikTok and others, like a lot of people really like him a lot. And the fact that that can get reproduced and translated into, you know, a hundred different languages. 00:35:40 Speaker 3: That's fine to me because it's originated from a human source. 00:35:42 Speaker 6: But that's all AI. Like a human being would never undertake that work. 00:35:46 Speaker 3: The hardest thing, the best question that you've asked is, if God is going to use AI to bring glory to himself. 00:35:53 Speaker 6: But that's what I'm saying. 00:35:54 Speaker 3: That's tricky. We're talking about a fundamental starting point, the creation of a melody, the creation of a lyric. 00:36:01 Speaker 6: Well, there could be a completely AI Josh Howerton. There could be a completely AI Catholic version of Josh Howerton. 00:36:07 Speaker 3: That's different, though. 00:36:08 Speaker 6: No, but that's the start of a melody. That's a creation from nothing. There will be, within the next five years probably, entire human beings that people think are real that are not real at all. 00:36:19 Speaker 5: There's a lot of people who are technically alive right now who aren't really human beings. 00:36:23 Speaker 6: Sorry, that was a bad joke. 00:36:25 Speaker 5: People are robots. All they consume is AI slop. They use AI to generate their thoughts. 00:36:30 Speaker 6: I get what you're saying. 00:36:33 Speaker 4: They're human, but they're more and more being consumed. 00:36:38 Speaker 6: And controlled by AI. 00:36:40 Speaker 3: I'll give you an. 00:36:41 Speaker 4: Example of this where we can tie this back to last week because we were talking about this on human events where you know, it's like so much of the stuff you see on the algorithms are performative. So like the Lindsay Clancy stuff was like very performative, but it also does well on TikTok. So the algorithm just knows to feed it because the algorithm can't see, oh, this is abhorrent because it's child abuse or, and then the response to it as well. The algorithm just sees, oh, people like this. So I should favor this more. So I should generate more of this. And then the creator sees it and says, oh, this is getting more views, so I'm going to make more of these videos. So at some point we have to ask who's actually in control, right? Is the algorithm in control or is the person actively deciding this is what I want to talk about today and this is what I want to do? 00:37:32 Speaker 5: I'm just thinking of edge cases that could exist on this AI worship music concept. Like let's say you have an artist who's deceased now and it could be a great Christian artist or someone who straddles the line, like we could say Johnny Cash. Let's say there is a Christian song you really like, and you want to use AI to make a Johnny Cash singing version of it. 00:37:52 Speaker 3: Is that kosher? 00:37:54 Speaker 5: Let's say it's already a pre-existing one, but that performance is AI. 00:37:57 Speaker 3: I kind of like that. 00:37:59 Speaker 4: It's funny because Producer Fuzz will back me up on this. So I've been using 11 Reader. I like audiobooks a lot. And 11 Reader is like the 11 Labs version of audiobooks. And no, I'm not doing a book pitch, but I could. And man, they just released Burt Reynolds in on 11 reader. So you can have Burt Reynolds read any book to you. And it is so good. It is literally so good. It sounds like it's Burt Reynolds. 00:38:29 Speaker 3: You can do it. So it's impressive. He could, he could read the Bible to you. No, but none of this bothers me nearly as much as worship. I think the best edge case of any AI creation, anything is Christian worship. It's worship music because it's, It's literally supposed to unite your soul in worship with the Creator. I mean, so, I don't know, man. It is uncomfortable to me, and I'm going to now be wrestling with Tyler's question for probably a really long time. Because I don't want to admit that it could help people worship the Lord, but if it does... Here's the difference. 00:39:07 Speaker 4: Here's the difference, because... Because, and we should be careful about whether or not these things are actually bringing people to the Lord or some facsimile of the Lord that they think is the Lord, right? We need to be careful about that. Because what's different ultimately, and I think what leads to the uncomfortability, is that it's the act of creation is not tied in with the Spirit itself. The act of creation, they threw the book up, yeah, it's unhuman, right? It's literally unhuman. Of course, the second edition of Unhumans is now out, Socialist Revolution, but we're talking about unhumans in a different sense here, but this is giving over that which is meant to be our spiritual core, to an unhuman, by definition, algorithm, machine learning, LLM, whatever you want to call it, that we know is designed by some nerds in Silicon Valley. And so the act of creating something that is actually worshipful should be done by a human. It's an extremely human act that's meant to tie us to the divine, not tie us to some creation. 00:40:09 Speaker 3: That's my instinct, too. And I kind of agree with Forrest Frank on that. If you are not a temple of the Holy Spirit... then can you truly create something that will lead others to the true spirit, the true God that made you? I don't know. That's an open question. But Tyler's got my head spinning. 00:40:30 Speaker 6: Legitimately. 00:40:31 Speaker 5: MKBren says, are we supposed to judge things by if they bear fruit? So if an AI song produces a positive outcome, that would. 00:40:40 Speaker 3: We'll know. We'll know. This summer marks three years since the Dobbs decision, and since then, the total number of abortions each year has only increased. With greater access to telehealth and abortion pills in the mail, medication abortions now account for more than 60% of all abortion, and that number is only growing. That's why Preborn gives free ultrasounds to girls and women. 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I don't think it's going to be good. But again, I was kind of going down this point. There's going to be entire humans that we think are real that aren't real, and you're not even going to know that it's AI. 00:42:16 Speaker 3: I totally agree with that because we have cartoon characters that are totally trademarked. So now we're just in the era where we can make human realistic actors in a movie that will be like this character. 00:42:27 Speaker 6: People aren't even going to know. That's what I'm saying. You're not even going to have an idea that the music is AI because you're going to think that the person singing the song who is AI was a real person. 00:42:40 Speaker 3: We're going to have AI pastors. 00:42:41 Speaker 6: We're going to have... No, and this is going back. We talked about this. 00:42:43 Speaker 3: Generate a sermon. Commit no heresies. 00:42:45 Speaker 6: I hate all this. At some point, they could take your persona, put it on TV to give commentary on TV, and you never leave your bedroom. 00:42:55 Speaker 3: You know, what's interesting is you think of people like Elon Musk when they're talking about AI, and I saw this quote from him where he was basically like... He gets asked a question. Are you looking forward to it? Are you scared about it? And he said both. He goes, some days I'm absolutely terrified about the future of AI, and some days I'm really excited about it. He's like, just catch me on a day. Depends what new thing I learn. 00:43:16 Speaker 5: There's so much potential for good uses of it, but it does. What creeps me out the most is the capacity for people. A lot of people are already prone to just outsourcing their thinking to something else. 00:43:29 Speaker 3: America's going to be terrible about this. We outsource our jobs. This is what I'm getting at. 00:43:32 Speaker 5: It's such an addictive thing that you'll have people whose entire life is really just the Zoomer stare. And, like, when you add that to dimensions of friendships, romantic relationships, religion, that's really scary to think about. 00:43:46 Speaker 3: We are cooked when it comes to fertility because people are just going to completely lose the ability to interact. We're already seeing that. And I'm just wondering. 00:43:54 Speaker 6: Imagine how many boomers are tricked. 00:43:55 Speaker 4: In the meta lawsuit. 00:43:57 Speaker 3: Yeah. That's a good tie-in. Boomers getting tricked. 00:44:00 Speaker 4: I mean, I wonder. 00:44:00 Speaker 3: There's probably clips that have already gone viral on Facebook. Yeah, you're right. But Jackson, this is a good point. Yeah. 00:44:06 Speaker 4: And so in their lawsuit– and I don't have the exact quotes, but wasn't this a big part of the settlement? And they just did the $ 16 billion. Some people say it's not enough. Some people say just do more. And for sure, right, regarding kids. But I believe that in part of their settlement, one of the things that they were saying was– I'm totally paraphrasing. And if I get this wrong, I'm happily open to correction. But they were saying that we don't really control the algorithms. that the algorithm is just based on sort of what users input and what they, you know, how they interact on the platforms. And so, and Blake, you've talked about this a lot before about algorithmic content that, you know, that they've set it up and it's become so automated. And so AI switched in terms of like this equals that and everything all equals the rest of it, that there's no one human who's actually sitting there picking and choosing what what goes up and what comes down. And so one of the issues with that obviously is that, um, you know, people are looking for more controls to be put on there specifically for kids. But ultimately the biggest point of it is that like, they're not even capable of answering the question of what goes viral and what doesn't. 00:45:21 Speaker 3: Hmm. Well, I definitely approve of kids. I mean, I'm not going to let my kids have a smartphone until they're like 16. Yeah. Uh, anyways, but, What's that? 00:45:33 Speaker 4: I told them they can have one when they can buy one themselves. 00:45:37 Speaker 3: Well, you could buy a used one pretty cheap. 00:45:39 Speaker 4: Including the service plan. 00:45:41 Speaker 3: You could buy a used one pretty cheap. 00:45:43 Speaker 5: Well, MKBren says the best thing that they've seen AI do to this point is create the Russ Spacey's romance novels that have. 00:45:53 Speaker 3: Me on the cover. With Blake, featuring Blake. With me and the Chinaman. Forbidden Desire. That's awesome. I love that defies all. I love defies all. I mean, if they say so, I guess. 00:46:04 Speaker 4: Hey, we have not talked about data center guys. 00:46:07 Speaker 5: Do we want to do data centers or do we want to do Lake America? 00:46:10 Speaker 3: We've got about 15 minutes. 00:46:11 Speaker 4: I think data centers is the more pressing issue. 00:46:15 Speaker 5: It's definitely more substantive. It's funny about this is we're talking about AI. Everyone's addicted to AI. Everyone's using it all of the time. Even the people who say they hate AI are constantly clicking on it and using it. And yet, people also fanatically hate the centers of data that are basically used to drive the AI machine. 00:46:33 Speaker 3: They don't want to build them. They don't like them. 00:46:37 Speaker 5: They use AI to create the memes that they use to campaign against data centers. 00:46:43 Speaker 3: And... I want to know when these clips of, like, Trump on data centers... Pretty recently. He's been saying, like, he's a pretty big pro guy. Let's play some of these. Sat 9. 00:46:54 Speaker 6: Because. 00:46:55 Speaker 8: You have to convince your community how great these things. 00:46:57 Speaker 4: You can't fight it. 00:46:58 Speaker 3: You have to go with it. 00:47:00 Speaker 11: And you're going to have all that protection, and we're giving you automatic protection. 00:47:03 Speaker 6: But you're going to make a tremendous amount of money. 00:47:06 Speaker 9: You're going to reduce taxes. 00:47:08 Speaker 3: And you're going to have something that if you don't have it, everybody else wants it. Well, that's– and then J.D. Vance, SOT11. 00:47:15 Speaker 8: First of all, they're big facilities. You create a lot of construction jobs. And this next generation of the technological revolution, you need those data centers to make that run. Those data centers are like the gasoline of the technology revolution that we're going to see over the next 75 years. And I don't know about you all, but I want America to win that technology revolution. I don't want China or some other country to win it. And so that's why we've got to have these things. Now, here's the downsides. If those centers are built and the local governments aren't ensuring that there's enough power for those data centers, then it's going to increase. 00:47:48 Speaker 3: Electricity costs for everybody else. 00:47:50 Speaker 8: And so what we think the data centers have got to do is they've got to work with the local governments, with the state governments, and in the federal government, we are trying to do everything that we can so that if you build a data center, for example, you can just build a power plant right next door. What I think we ought to be working towards is you build those data centers and electricity costs come down for American citizens instead of going up for American citizens. 00:48:15 Speaker 3: The data centers can afford it. 00:48:17 Speaker 8: We've got to make sure that they're good neighbors so that when they come in and build these great buildings, the people in their neighborhood, the people in their community benefit too, and that's through lower power. 00:48:27 Speaker 3: That's the best way they can be good neighbors. Yeah. 00:48:31 Speaker 5: And, I mean, what's amazing about this is, for those who haven't followed, but you probably have, is that data centers are about as popular as cancer. They have, it's like their Gallup says about, has found about 70% of Americans oppose constructing AI data centers in their community. And it's pretty broad based. Like for example, there was another one, Washington Post has this, this was more popular overall that 61% of Americans oppose a data center in their community, including 47% of Republicans. It appears that really the only group that is pro data center at all is fanatical Trump supporters, like hardcore MAGA, who basically just say, I like what President Trump likes. 00:49:12 Speaker 3: They're pro. Everyone else is anti. So it's interesting. I know Jack had Vivek on his show, but like Vivek put out this. thing on August 6th basically saying, hey, I've gone across... Wait, wait, wait. 00:49:24 Speaker 4: You mean, like, years ago? 00:49:26 Speaker 3: Oh, I thought... Maybe I misunderstood. Sorry. I was talking to Faz. Maybe it was something you're thinking about doing. Vivek, either way, put out a pledge to Ohioans first, and it got a bunch of, like, news because he basically said data centers should bring down the property taxes for everybody. 00:49:44 Speaker 5: That's one idea like people are throwing these out there but what's funny to me is it seems like any reason what's interesting to me is every justification people offer for opposing data centers like you can get rid of them and it doesn't matter people have just decided they really hate. 00:49:59 Speaker 3: Them yeah which crazy if you look at the polling by the way amazon warehouses are like wildly popular Which blew me away. 00:50:08 Speaker 5: I think it's because it's such a dark thing. People order a lot of stuff on Amazon and they like getting it faster. Whereas data centers.... 00:50:17 Speaker 6: I'll tell you. People would lose their minds if they realized that data centers not happening... And this is the problem that I have between the two. I think data centers need to be implemented correctly just like anything else that's infrastructure. You can't have insane... again insane bridges and roads that are poorly maintained or that are ever like people lose their minds if like their entire community like what they did in boston was like they took out a bunch of these major freeways replace them with parks and it looks better and it's more livable yeah yeah it's the same thing with data centers infrastructure right the tunnels but people lose their minds like literally lose their minds if they start realizing like oh well i guess if we don't put them in our community they have to go in super lib communities And the Democrats would be happy to control your data centers and control all the data flowing in and out and then ultimately working together with those big corporations to invade your privacy. Or even the worst thing. 00:51:17 Speaker 3: China gets them all. 00:51:17 Speaker 6: That China gets them all. 00:51:18 Speaker 3: We have a clip on this, by the way. 00:51:21 Speaker 6: So it's like, okay, yeah, damned if you do and you put them in and they're ugly and they take up your community and your water and whatever. Damned if you don't. China now has all your data. 00:51:35 Speaker 3: So check out, this is Senator Kyrsten Sinema defending data centers on Fox News. This clip just dropped, SOT32. Infrastructure Coalition, Kyrsten Sinema. Kyrsten, thanks for being with us here today. 00:51:48 Speaker 6: So how do you take that? 00:51:50 Speaker 1: You hear 70-30 proposition, 70 opposed to data centers. 00:51:56 Speaker 6: That's real. 00:51:57 Speaker 3: That's a real concern out there from Americans. 00:52:00 Speaker 11: It sure is, Will. And, you know, it just shows that China has done an excellent job at spreading misinformation across the country around data centers. They've really done a good job in convincing folks that their electricity and energy costs are going to go up, which isn't true. They're convincing people that they use and waste a lot of water. 00:52:22 Speaker 8: Not true. 00:52:22 Speaker 11: They actually use less water than restaurants, right? And they're convincing folks that they don't need... or benefit AI in their lives. And the truth is, Will, that AI, we all rely on every single day, and it's making a huge difference in our daily lives. 00:52:39 Speaker 6: Okay. 00:52:40 Speaker 5: I just love that they were like, guys, we're polling horribly on the data center question. Let's go get unpopular ex-senator Kristen Sinema to recite extremely corporate talking points on Fox News. 00:52:51 Speaker 6: I had the plan to fix this. She's basically a lobbyist for the data centers now. 00:52:56 Speaker 3: You could tell by the way she was pitching it. 00:52:58 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's terrible. 00:52:59 Speaker 4: But she's reading or something. 00:53:02 Speaker 6: And it's terrible because she's a left-wing data center person, right? So it's like, I mean, look, she's best buddies with, again, Kate Gallego in Phoenix and with the Tucson mayor, right? And so they're putting in a ton of these in states like Arizona because they have space and they have land. Like a lot in the West, there's a lot of places to put data centers. And again, the libs control a lot of these cities. So you look at it like this includes Las Vegas. This includes the Salt Lake City. This includes. So I mean, we have a map. I mean, so even you have red states or red earth states. 00:53:44 Speaker 4: Right. 00:53:45 Speaker 6: And in Boise, in Salt Lake, in Las Vegas and Phoenix and Tucson, where a lot of these data centers are being pitched. It's like, okay, the Democrats are going to, like, if you don't, if Republicans don't want to involve themselves and be in the middle of this negotiation, these conversations, libs, like, progressive, very progressive libs are also going to control all of that. And you know how much money is going to flow through these data centers? It's going to be, it's the new farming. It's basically, like, our century's version of the questions when, and we don't want to get behind the eight ball like we did with, the Democrat Party on farms and our farmers, because now the Republicans are like totally figured it out, everything else. But that's not how it was 50 years ago, 60 years ago. 60 years ago, the left controlled all of the farmland across America. And that's why the maps look so different. We do not want to start from a starting point, in my opinion, where conservatives are not at the table negotiating with the modern version of farmland. 00:54:53 Speaker 3: Hi, folks. 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Zuzu's Petals says if the data centers make their own power plants and they sell additional electricity for half of what the local electric company charges, maybe people would consider it. 00:56:00 Speaker 5: That is, in fact, what has been happening, that President Trump made it so to get these up faster if the companies build their own power plants, which is not that efficient overall. It would be better if we were just building big overall power plants. But they are building small power plants to power these, and they are offloading. 00:56:16 Speaker 3: I can't imagine they're very pretty looking. whatever. 00:56:19 Speaker 5: I mean, you can make them more attractive, but I mean, is it more attractive? Is it less attractive than a Home Depot? Because we've all those. 00:56:26 Speaker 4: Before this, or an industrial park. Yeah, so I threw in a while ago, I think back in like April, I rolled out this idea similar to what Tyler was saying is that, you know, there ought to be a negotiation. So obviously, you need to provide something to the community, whether it's jobs, whether it's reducing electric costs, but also I said, why not provide something positive and tangible? And so other people have said they could you know, they could fix up these downtowns for people and they could fix up churches and they could sponsor the, um, sponsor the town fireworks or help to, you know, rebuild baseball stadiums and football fields and things like that. Friday night lights, you know, in Texas or, or, and this was my big thing. I said, restore the malls, go and bring back some kind of third place where people can go, where people can congregate, you know, buy up the old malls and say, you know what, we're going to fix these up. We're going to keep them safe. We're going to make it public space where people can go. You can get coffee. You can have a cafe. You can have walking tracks. You can have free, like a little free library there. And it's just a place that people can go. So that was my, that was my idea. Bring back the malls. 00:57:38 Speaker 3: So this is interesting, though, what she said. I agree with that, by the way. I actually think you could take over dilapidated malls and just put a data center there. That's another option. 00:57:48 Speaker 4: Well, that's kind of what I was saying. 00:57:49 Speaker 3: And then just open up the extra space for people. Yeah, sure. 00:57:54 Speaker 6: The ridiculousness of, for example, in Arizona, we have so much federal land that is trash desert land, truly. There are parts of this beautiful desert. 00:58:05 Speaker 4: Right? 00:58:06 Speaker 6: Like there's beautiful desert, but in the West, there's a lot of ugly desert. There's a lot of unusable desert, um, that has some wildlife, but it's fairly small. Like, and this is in Cal stretches from California all the way to Texas. 00:58:19 Speaker 4: Right. 00:58:20 Speaker 6: And there's a lot of land and in, in the, in the greater scheme of things, you know, some of these power plant ideas, right? Some people have said no nuclear. We don't want to build a nuclear power plant in the desert because there's, you know, some, you know, we don't want to like, you know, remove the snakes. Yeah. Or whatever. 00:58:38 Speaker 3: Right. 00:58:39 Speaker 6: And it's like, and, and there's the data set. There's plenty of land in the West. Like, What is it, like 90% of the state of Nevada is under federal control right now? 00:58:48 Speaker 3: Yeah, 85%. 00:58:49 Speaker 6: And there's so much. 00:58:50 Speaker 5: Ugly, and no offense to our Nevadans. You're not building it in a national park. 00:58:54 Speaker 3: You could just build it on BLM land. 00:58:55 Speaker 6: No offense to our Nevadans, but there's some really ugly desert in Nevada, like some of the ugliest. 00:59:01 Speaker 3: The problem is, of course, is they don't usually want to build. 00:59:04 Speaker 6: Arizona has some beautiful desert, and there's some ugly desert, but Arizona has way more beautiful desert than the rest of the state. 00:59:10 Speaker 5: The dynamic here, of course, is a reason they don't build in those places is they want to be able to build them quickly, and you can build and have them connected to stuff with power, and that is most accessible on the fringes of big cities. 00:59:22 Speaker 3: That's why they want. 00:59:23 Speaker 5: Most data centers are in The Bay Area and they're in Loudoun County, so they're at the most economically developed parts of the U.S. 00:59:30 Speaker 3: My biggest concern is that China is going to be building data centers. 00:59:38 Speaker 4: 100%. 00:59:38 Speaker 3: Elon Musk thinks he's going to be able to build data centers in space and get free energy from the sun and free cooling from just the fact that space is cool. Actually not. 00:59:48 Speaker 5: Did you know that? 00:59:48 Speaker 3: Well, it's hot or cool. 00:59:50 Speaker 5: Well, no, the thing about space is, yeah, it's cold, but how do you offload any heat? 00:59:54 Speaker 3: Where's it going to go? It doesn't touch anything. Well, I'm sure they have fans powered by the energy from the sun as well. Fans? What are you blowing? You're blowing air? This is a fascinating question. 01:00:07 Speaker 5: We need advanced technology to keep the guys in the International Space Station from cooking to death. 01:00:13 Speaker 3: Because there's nowhere for the heat to go. Sure, sure. Interesting. But I'm sure that they've thought through these problems, much smarter people than me. But here's my concern. China is going to be doing this. And this is what China's doing. We don't have to play all of this, but this is the world humanoid robot games. And it's like a big deal in China. So while they're cooking kids' brains with Lindsay Clancy TikTok algorithms in this country, they're celebrating robots. Okay. B-roll 15. Throw this up. 01:00:43 Speaker 4: Look at this. 01:00:44 Speaker 3: It's like a huge deal. I just think this is awesome. 01:00:47 Speaker 5: Like, China, Chinese techno-futurism is probably the most appealing thing. 01:00:52 Speaker 3: About China, to be honest. They're, like, into it. Look at this. 01:00:56 Speaker 6: I hate it. 01:00:57 Speaker 5: I mean, it's ominous, because you just think of those, like, ultra-humanoid robots, and then that's going to be the warfare of the future, is, like, one of these horrifying humanoid robots. 01:01:07 Speaker 6: I'm very anti-robot. I'm very anti-robot. 01:01:11 Speaker 3: I bet you don't even want to date robots. Didn't some robot beat... Usain Bolt's record in the 100 meter. 01:01:19 Speaker 5: I mean, I have to imagine, but I bet a Ferrari has also beaten Usain Bolt's record. 01:01:23 Speaker 4: China is coming hard. 01:01:26 Speaker 3: Yeah, a robot died trying to lift weights. This is funny, so I just want to play it. 16. Are they showing it? There we go. 01:01:38 Speaker 5: This is a robot trying to lift ones of pounds off the ground. 01:01:42 Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, but to be fair, I'm sure there's certain robotic shops that could do this way better. Whoever this designer is. Well, I'm not sure. 01:01:51 Speaker 5: Because the thing about it is that it's a bipedal robot. That it is a human-moving robot. 01:01:55 Speaker 3: And that is not easy. They're better at it than we are, usually. It tried to lift it. 01:02:03 Speaker 9: No. 01:02:03 Speaker 3: And then it died. 01:02:04 Speaker 6: Oh, no. The thing that freaks me out about... Oh, gosh. The thing that freaks me out the most about humanoid robots... is the is not just the ai whatever because some people are like okay what are you hiding like this is the left the left that constantly said said this stuff to us on campus it's like well if you have nothing to hide then like why do you care if a computer was watching you or whatever right like you know or the nsa i think it's more creepy that like a human could be inside that robot anytime, like, basically take over that robot anytime, and now, like, they're in your life, like, they're in the middle of your stuff, and you wouldn't know for however extended amount of time. 01:02:46 Speaker 3: What is Elon Musk doing with the, what's the one he called? Optimus? Yeah, where it's just going to, like, fold your laundry and do your dishes for you and mow the lawn. Would you guys buy an Optimus if it was, like, $ 25, 000? 01:03:00 Speaker 6: Without question without question if it's doing my laundry it's the first thing i would buy 100 but i hate that but i hate the idea of like someone hacking into one of those what i was gonna say how do you know and like and like standing over your children. 01:03:12 Speaker 3: Or when you and your wife are being intimate or whatever right like you're just. 01:03:16 Speaker 5: Like taking a shower and the robot i mean you realize this is now it's really going to be cursed they're going to sell a model that can help with both. 01:03:25 Speaker 6: No that will happen but I'm more concerned about a human hijacking like think about he might be the. 01:03:31 Speaker 5: Worst he will they're gonna have a gooner bot that does the laundry that is the future and it's cursed and you could suddenly ask it to make worship music. 01:03:42 Speaker 3: We passed our we passed our out time oh yeah this is a real downer by the way in case you guys were wondering President Trump renamed Lake Ontario Lake America And now he's toying with the idea of renaming the Atlantic the American Ocean. 01:03:59 Speaker 5: He just said we might need to rename it overall. So it might be American Ocean. I like the idea of calling it the Gender Ocean, so then a flight over it is a transgender flight. 01:04:13 Speaker 3: Jack, what do you think about this whole renaming Lake Ontario? 01:04:20 Speaker 4: So my take on it was that, you know, it actually does highlight the northern border because while we think about the Great Lakes as just sort of this, you know, feature of America, it is actually part of our northern border. And it is something that requires a little bit of focus. And, hey, if this lets us focus on our northern border, then so be it. I'm for it. 01:04:40 Speaker 3: It was really critical, right, in the Revolutionary War, that particular one. And then he's doing it as an up yours to Canada because we're in you know, tariffing them and all this kind of stuff. And so it was kind of, I think a one, two, that's where, that's where it's coming from. But I don't know. I, it doesn't, to me, I'm okay with it, but I feel like some press is just going to come in and like, they're just, some dam is going to come in and just change it back. 01:05:07 Speaker 4: So, So it used to be the word homes, H-O-M-E-S, was how you could remember all the Great Lakes, get it? But now it's hames, so now it's confusing. 01:05:16 Speaker 3: Hames, it's not hames. You know what? 01:05:18 Speaker 5: That's an anagram for shame. 01:05:20 Speaker 4: Very good. 01:05:23 Speaker 1: Shame. 01:05:23 Speaker 3: Now it's shame, yeah. 01:05:24 Speaker 4: Shame. 01:05:25 Speaker 3: That's how you remember the Great Lakes now, shame. There you go. Maybe not ideal. 01:05:29 Speaker 4: We do important work here on Thought Crime. We do important work. 01:05:33 Speaker 3: Oh, man. 01:05:33 Speaker 5: What's funny is we could have named it, like, we could have kept the acronym and just renamed it just to peak them. We could have called it, like, Lake Onondaga, which is one of the Iroquois tribes. But part of it is Ontario actually is an Iroquois word. It's not, like, named after Canada. If anything, Canada is named after the lake. 01:05:48 Speaker 3: Well, shoot. We are at our hard out. So, Jack, why don't you wrap us up and take us home? 01:05:55 Speaker 4: Well, I think we learned absolutely nothing tonight. Once again, we have sought to destroy the taboos of society and brought everything down to the lowest common denominator. Ladies and gentlemen, as always, go out there and commit more thought crime. 01:06:14 Speaker 3: For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.