THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 138 — The Lindsay Clancy Case

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It's number one in the news, it's number one online, and we're. 00:01:46 Speaker 2: Going to dig into it. 00:01:48 Speaker 4: And yes, this is the case of Lindsay Clancy, the woman who has admits, by the way, does not deny that she strangled her own own children. So I can tell you that right now that if you don't want to listen to this episode, if this is something that you know it's a little too heavy for you, it's just not your style, it's not your speed. 00:02:09 Speaker 2: Hey, that's what. 00:02:10 Speaker 4: We're gonna be talking about, and we're not gonna be graphic about it. 00:02:13 Speaker 2: We're not going to talk about those things. 00:02:14 Speaker 4: What we're going to talk about is the fact that she is getting people online. 00:02:19 Speaker 2: Who are supportive of her. 00:02:22 Speaker 4: And I don't just been supportive in terms of saying like, oh, big Pharma played a role. I mean they're actually saying she didn't do it, or even that she may have done the right thing, which is insane. Let's see who all we have to and I believe we have Blake, nef Blake. 00:02:39 Speaker 3: I am locked and loaded and ready to go, and I am amped up to discuss this extremely horrifying case. 00:02:47 Speaker 4: Yeah, indeed, and we've got Tyler Tyler back from sabbatical. What's up, Tyler? 00:02:51 Speaker 3: Hey, it's good to see. 00:02:52 Speaker 5: What's last week? And I walked in a few minutes later. 00:02:55 Speaker 3: What what's your shirt? Of your hat that you have? This is? 00:02:58 Speaker 6: This is a phoenix? Is the Valley hat schedule was just released today? 00:03:02 Speaker 3: Okay? Is the does the Valley represent kind of like your hopes at the start of the season, and then you go into the Valley of despair valley season, and then you come out after the season's over. 00:03:13 Speaker 6: The valley is where all of us Arizona sports fans always live every year, which is deep in the Valley of we. 00:03:20 Speaker 2: Call it the also knows the Uncanny. 00:03:22 Speaker 3: Valley not winning? Yeah, the Deep Valley if not? And I hope the Valley of Hopes well. 00:03:28 Speaker 4: Someone someone else who uh knows about sports fans and sports teams not winning. 00:03:33 Speaker 2: We got Cliff Maloney, What up, Cliff. 00:03:36 Speaker 7: Good to be here, Jans, thanks for having me. 00:03:39 Speaker 6: Philadelphia's been far more successful in the last fifty years than than Arizona. 00:03:44 Speaker 2: So yes, we have and in fact we and we've got Lebron now. So we'll have to have to see. 00:03:49 Speaker 4: Uh. I haven't really made a comment on it yet. I'm just sort of wait and see. 00:03:54 Speaker 6: Yeah, immediate immedia L that it's in immedia. L. You're gonna have to live with that for hour her the embarrassment, I know, I know. 00:04:02 Speaker 3: Speaking of embarrassment, I thought, I'm looking at the Sun's history. I thought, you guys at least want a conference championship during the Nash days. But no, no, no, they have not. They went in to the finals in twenty one and then ninety three. I guess was that a was that as a Jordan one? 00:04:17 Speaker 5: That's it? Yeah, that was lost to Michael Jordan's Okay. 00:04:20 Speaker 3: It's at least an honorable guy to lose too. 00:04:22 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that is what it is. Jordan and Giannis. 00:04:29 Speaker 3: All right, gentlemen, should we dive right in? 00:04:32 Speaker 2: So let's let's let's dive in and so. 00:04:34 Speaker 6: To speak, speaking of speaking of Lebron James horrible situations. 00:04:41 Speaker 5: Yesius, bad takes, it takes. 00:04:44 Speaker 2: Yeah, No, this this all we do here is about all we have a bad takes on this show. Why we have that exactly? 00:04:52 Speaker 3: And I'm talking I was talking about the clans. 00:04:56 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I know, so so I threw out kind of a little bit at the beginning. This is what we're going to talk about tonight. Might be the entire show. I don't know, but you know, for anyone who's been living under rock, it is obviously the saddest and most horrific murder trial in America that's going on right now. And a if you didn't know this, in the Boston area, a mother, young mother, three beautiful little kids. Father comes home, finds the mother has jumped out the window, is injured. He, you know, calls nine one one, tries to get her help, goes inside and finds the children's bodies strangled to death in the basement with exercise bands. Lindsay Clancy herself is now paralyzed permanently from the I guess the waist down, I believe, and she survived her fall, which was a suicide attempt. And the big crux of this story is the fact that she was on an extremely large amount of pharmaceuticals and it just an entire big pharma cocktail. And she is essentially declaring she's not disputing that she killed the children her to her own children, but what she's saying is that it was sort of a temporary psychosis induced by big pharmaceuticals. 00:06:19 Speaker 2: Blake anything else you want to add to that. 00:06:21 Speaker 3: Yeah, So there's so many layers to this. So, yeah, the defense claimed no contest that she did it. But the idea is she was totally she was like completely not sensible to the world due to her level, like the amount of drugs she was on. In fact, I want to I want to rattle off the list here because I think. 00:06:40 Speaker 2: I figured you would have it. 00:06:42 Speaker 3: Yes, let me see here where they Okay, the reported list of thirteen different psychiatric medications that she was prescribed over a period of just four months. Over four months, she got put on these ambient clonazeppim, diazepam, prozac. Uh uh, I am a tra gene. I can't even read. I can't even read all these adavan, remoran saraquel, Zoloft, trazodone, high hydroxyzine, h amitra, emit trip pitoling, and bus aprony. I guess it's good that I don't know all of these off the top of my head. I recognize several of those. You can see other's anti anxiety meds in there. There's antidepressants in there. They shows. The idea is she was failed by the system. Put on all of these drugs way too quickly, drove her mental state into a total disarray and caused her to commit this heinous crime. I will note her husband's scene. As far as I know, they did divorce. Her husband is remarried to someone else, but I believe he has taken her side in this case. I should also know they are both suing the pharmaceutical companies and I think the hospital that she went to for all of this, so they do have incentives here. But what's really wild. 00:08:01 Speaker 4: And by the way, and I don't want to say that, and I don't want to say that they necessarily don't have a point either, and I want to talk about that, but but yes, yes, I. 00:08:10 Speaker 3: Think they have a point. On the other hand, what I would say is, let's say, let's imagine a different situation. I think that if a nineteen year old male was put on a similar amount of drugs and stepped and went and did a school shooting, for example, and tried to say I should be found not guilty because it was just caused by those drugs, I don't think anyone would remotely entertain that for a second. We would say, even if those contributed heavily, that is such a monstrous act, you're going away for life. I think there is a bit of a double standard in play here that would not apply to anything except, sickeningly enough, a mother killing her own children. And that's how I feel about this. I'd say, even if this contributed, you're getting convicted. But what's wild about this is, and this is what we really want to dive into, is the number of people just they're they're conjuring up an entire alternate reality about this. 00:09:04 Speaker 4: So well, well, hey, hey, before we before we get into that, let's let's go around. And I know that the cases on is still ongoing, but just you know, first glance, you know, when when you look at something like this, you know, what do Let's say, what we all think would be the you know the requisite punishment for this, And. 00:09:23 Speaker 2: I would say, look, I would say, if there weren't. 00:09:26 Speaker 4: Uh, these medications involved, I would say death penalty. But because they are involved, I would call that a mitigating factor. And I would say, you know, she should be locked up for life, she should be committed for life. But I I think in this case I would not support the death pality. 00:09:40 Speaker 3: You would, you would not. I could understand that. I could say, I could say, as a mitigating circumstance, yeah, that you might be spared the death penalty, But I think and I don't think that's on the table in Massachusetts anyway. I would consider this still murder. You should go to prison for a murder suitable length of time I mean years, yeah, for life, for life. Most I would entertain is like, I don't know, twenty five years or something where it's like a significant chunk of your life. Tyler, how do you fall on this one? 00:10:12 Speaker 6: Well, I'm like, I saw so many questions around this whole thing because I'm just reading through the hellscape that has read it, and uh, just seeing some. 00:10:24 Speaker 5: Of these crazy people face to face, which well. 00:10:26 Speaker 4: I want to I don't want to, like, I don't want to go to the crazy yet. I dont want to go to the crazy yet. I just want to kind of get like our general take on the case before we go. 00:10:34 Speaker 2: To the crazy. 00:10:34 Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, see, I like jumping straight to the crazy because. 00:10:37 Speaker 4: Uh no, I know we'll give me the crazy believer, I love fothing crazy with a. 00:10:41 Speaker 3: Suitable sentence, what sentence would you pick Tyler for this? I agree? 00:10:45 Speaker 6: I agree with you where it's like one of those those scenarios where it's like she needs to go away for a long time, you know, the premeditation element of trying to kill your kids, no matter what influence of drugs and what cocktail, what you're going through, how much severe depression you're going through, everything else, it's that's beside the point she killed. 00:11:07 Speaker 3: Like to me, like to me, insanity defense should be reserved for, in my opinion, when you are are totally out of touch with reality. So like, if a mentally handicapped person kill someone because like they don't even understand that they're hurting them or that they're killing a person. I get that there. But a person who has enough frankly presence of mind to be able to kill one child then another, then the other and to wait until someone left the home to do it, because otherwise they would be stopped. That is a person with enough presence of mind to be punished for this crime. Yeah, her faculties were clear. 00:11:45 Speaker 4: Right, Well, let's get let's get let's get Cliff in before we before we go go all the way down. 00:11:50 Speaker 7: Yeah. 00:11:50 Speaker 8: Look, when I first read the headlines to understand, like you guys said that she told her husband to leave the house, right, it's about as premeditated as it gets to plan to conjure to have him leave the house, and to have a woman strangle three of her own children immediately, you know. Not even knowing what state it was, I'm thinking, yes, death penalty one hundred percent maximum sentence in a state like Massachusetts. 00:12:11 Speaker 7: Maybe it's life in prison. 00:12:12 Speaker 8: I think the one pause I have is blake when you read off that list of medications that she's on. I mean, there's no world where a doctor or any type of medical system should be prescribing it from what I know, I mean, she's taking all of these at once. 00:12:29 Speaker 2: I think it was multiple doctors too, by the way. 00:12:31 Speaker 4: I think it was a case where like one doctor prescribed some stuff, but they didn't maybe didn't know that the other doctor, you know. 00:12:37 Speaker 2: What I mean, how they can do that sometimes. 00:12:41 Speaker 8: Yeah, But to have any argument against at least life in prison, I just think I'm with you, guys. She made these decisions. She was not out of her mind. She might have been medicated. But to tell your husband to leave the house, strangle your three kids, you belong locked up in prison forever. 00:13:01 Speaker 2: That's That's where I'm at. 00:13:02 Speaker 4: That's that's not a prison or some kind of you know, mental So I've I've talked about this before. My dad worked at cliff you know, the Narstown State Hospital in Narstown, PA. And you know, his entire career just under thirty years, which was a psychiatric hospital, still is psychiatric hospital. It was a much larger when the you know, the asylums were more well funded. And he did work in one of the buildings where the criminally insane did take up residence and you know, folks who were deemed unfit to stand trial. John the Pond was there for example when my dad was there. So a guy who just went completely notts and was like killing the Olympic team. And there's a whole movie about it. I think it's called Fox Catcher. It's pretty movie actually, and just kind of lining up the whole story, and you know, and has worked with that. So it's it's something I've always been aware of, and it's you know, as a society, I do think that you need a place for people like that, whether or not it's you know, in this case, chemically induced or whatever. I think that every society throughout history is always going to have a certain quotion of people that for whatever reason, have a break with reality. And it's clearly what this was, and as such, you need a place to stick those people, to keep them away from everybody else and their own kids. 00:14:27 Speaker 2: By the way. 00:14:28 Speaker 8: Indeed, yeah, let me make the plug here that I feel like so many politicians are scared to say, which is we need to bring back these insane asylums. I mean, I just feel like, yeah, exactly, there's got to be a I mean, if you guys walk down the street of any major city, right, the amount of mentally disturb people that are not just homeless, they're not just drug addicts, they're not just alcoholics. We've seen it on subways. We've seen so many cases these people are mentally disturbed. And so you know, these politicians want to always have compassion, and especially the the cities with these Democrat leaders. 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It'll go, there's, oh, there's a bunch of vagrants who are committing crimes, where people are doing dozens of crimes and getting arrested and then released and they're not being held that long and they're not being charged, and this will get brought up, and people will plind out, Oh, well, it's because we cleared out the asylums. And when you bring that up, what always then follows up is like liberals will come out and they'll say that was Reagan's fault. Reagan's the one who emptied out the asylums. 00:16:53 Speaker 5: They know that. 00:16:53 Speaker 3: I don't know if that's true or not. I think it's false. But even if that's the reason, Okay, Ronald Reagan has been dead for twenty two years. Ronald Reagan has not been in office since I've been alive. You could refund them. There's been Democrat mono control of Congress at the federal level. There's been Republican mono party control at the federal level. There are individual states that are red or blue. Why doesn't somebody just do this, Just go and say, enuf, we're gonna try. 00:17:21 Speaker 2: To do it. 00:17:23 Speaker 4: Yeah, funny enough, Blake, It's actually it's actually Jack Nicholson's fault because. 00:17:29 Speaker 2: Really one floor of the Cuckoo's Nest. 00:17:32 Speaker 4: Yeah, this whole, the whole defund the metal institutions push goes back to one floor of the Cuckoo's Nest. And this, by the way, the same way that the anti nuclear trend in the nineteen seventies goes back to the the film The China Syndrome, which is also the name of my first band, and and in you know, it just became this like you know this like, oh my gosh, we can't have nuclear power. 00:17:56 Speaker 2: Everyone's gonna die. 00:17:57 Speaker 4: Same way One Floor of the Cuckar's Nest came out in that era and suddenly it was like, oh, we have to shut down all these asylums, nurse ratchet, they're so bad, they're so terrible. You're gonna have an Indian throwing a water fountain through the window. 00:18:09 Speaker 2: You know, it's so bad. 00:18:10 Speaker 4: And and they just they just started doing it, and so you can, Yeah, like Reagan was part of it, but there are lots of Democrats part of it too. 00:18:17 Speaker 2: It's like, whatever right. 00:18:19 Speaker 4: We can we can point out that there are things that Republicans and Democrats likewise have done that we disagree with. Nixon also had price controls, by the way, we disagree with that. And so you know, the idea that we're going to sit here and play this partisan game with it, it's like you're just kicking the can down the road rather than actually doing what we need. 00:18:37 Speaker 3: To do exactly. But guys, I think we've speaking of kicking out the can down the road. We need to engage with who really belongs in the asylums, which is basically all of the all of the true crime podcast obsesses or I don't know what else to describe it as, but this is the insanity around the case. Jack or Tyler, whoever, whichever of you has the better, maybe you can one up each other. What's the most insane thing you're seeing people do. They're not even going with They're not even debating the question of okay, does this qualify as the sort of murder where someone should go away? They're they're embracing a truly alternate version of reality on this case, right. 00:19:16 Speaker 4: Yeah, Tyler, what do you Well, let's see what are you seeing on Reddit? I know you know you're a big reddite side railed right sideline you before. 00:19:23 Speaker 6: I'm just scrolling through all of the debates that are being had about and again, it just is it's kind of reminiscent of some of the things that we've seen in recent months. 00:19:35 Speaker 3: It's like people just. 00:19:36 Speaker 2: Like, look, you go to Reddit. 00:19:39 Speaker 4: You go to Reddit, you're basically going to the cancer factory to begin with, So you know, like you know what you're getting into. But I would like to hear what's going on over there down at the old cancer plant. 00:19:49 Speaker 6: Well, I think some of these things are pretty obvious. So there's the there's the the baseline argument about you know, the what was prescribed, and there's a clear confusion about the facts, right, And it looks like a big debate exists out there, and so a lot of this is a misunderstanding that all of the drugs that are on the list were prescribed to her at the same time. 00:20:19 Speaker 3: And that's from what I'm reading. 00:20:21 Speaker 6: That's that's the that's the argument and the debate that that's not true, that the facts in the case that have been coming out. And again I haven't been watching this closely, I know, like very little about this. I'm just reading, you know, third party documentation of this on the worst platform. 00:20:38 Speaker 3: And let's get let's get into a few of the other ones. So like some of the specific stuff people are alleging, wait but but. 00:20:45 Speaker 4: Hold on, hold on, like and I'll just I'll even I'll respond to that though, that these types of drugs just because they're first of all, you know, mommy brain is real. So when you have a child, now I think our youngest was eight months or she didn't just have the child, but she was in that in that you know, one year window, and that mami brain is one hundred percent real, that all sorts of things happened with hormonally, with women, spiritually, biologically, all that when they have a child. That also doesn't mean that you know, it's. 00:21:15 Speaker 2: Okay to kill your kids. 00:21:17 Speaker 4: But the idea that you're taking those drugs at the same time, you're experiencing all of that. You know, hormonal activity is going on, is it even if you took it one time and so you know to the point of oh, well she taking them exactly at the same time or together, they stay in your system. This isn't like, you know, like an aspirin or something like. These are very serious anti psychotic drugs. Sah, you said Cercle, I think le Michdel you said, closet panther. 00:21:46 Speaker 2: It just very serious mind altering drugs. 00:21:48 Speaker 6: So some of the arguments that are being made is that she kept going in seeing a specialist and then rejecting the drugs that were prescribed or saying that the drugs weren't working on her within just days after getting prescribed the drugs, and then she's being put on other drugs. 00:22:08 Speaker 3: And then was she still just taking the other drugs still. 00:22:11 Speaker 6: Or from what I understand, and again I don't know, I'm not watching this closely, but the answer to that is no. But some people think that she was and and and therefore the the evaluators were doing her and doing a severe injustice by just piling on more drugs when she had already been prescribed to other drugs. 00:22:34 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a bit of that. 00:22:35 Speaker 4: Well, by the way, guys, this is this I just I just happened to click over. This is now the lead story on Daily Mail. Like that's how big this case? 00:22:42 Speaker 3: Yeah? No, yeah, if you're not paying attention, this is just like a gigantic thing like this is there are people this is all they've been watching all week or all the past two weeks, because I think we're on day eleven of the trial or so as we record this. 00:22:53 Speaker 4: But okay, I'll explain that that article when we get to that point. 00:22:58 Speaker 2: But there's yeah, there's the crazy has. 00:23:01 Speaker 3: Well let's get let's let's dive into the crazy. We've been beating around the bush on this. So guys, here's what's going on with the true crime people. So we've said they're not like the defense is not contesting that she killed her kids. The prosecutions, there's there's an agreement on just okay, this is basically a medical case, a pharmacase. But people online on TikTok there are die hard Lindsey Clancy supporters who believe that she is has been framed from the start. By her husband, and their main arguments for this are, well, let's let's read one of these for example. 00:23:35 Speaker 4: So well, actually, Blake, I don't even know if you're looking at it, but that's literally what the lead story on Daily Mail is. 00:23:43 Speaker 3: All right, Oh yeah, let's just get into it. 00:23:44 Speaker 4: So heines slurers about Linda Clancy's ex husband Patrick explode. Now his family is beaking out as murder trial grips America. 00:23:51 Speaker 2: So there you go. 00:23:52 Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, so, as an example, a lot of this is on TikTok. It's like really really intense TikTok things, and they just come up with various things. So here's an example. Throw up the Midnight Scroller comment. The police pulled up to a house with three dead babies, a critically injured woman, and an unscathed man, and they believed the man. They believed the man is what she says another one Christine on TikTok. She says her theory and this is something we just heard about today from one of the girls in the office. So when she was found the mom because she jumped out of a window into the snow and was found kind of knocked out and like nearly died because she was freezing. She says, my theory he killed her, the meaning the mom so attempted to kill her much earlier in the day, and all the crap on the phone and the picks and the searches on her phone was him using her phone for the alibi he needed, and that's why her body tempt was eighty two people saying, has anyone thought maybe he the husband, was the sociopath and they're conjuring up all of this. One I saw the other day and I can't find it now, but a lot of people they're just straight up bringing astrological reasoning into this. And they're saying, Lindsay lind Leo, and I'm a Leo, and so they're saying a Leo would never voluntarily kill her kids ever. But I think the husband is a Gemini or something, and I guess it's a total Gemini move to do evil stuff, and so. 00:25:21 Speaker 4: And so in addition to in addition to this, so well here, let me let me go back to the Daily Mail piece because I don't go to change that. 00:25:28 Speaker 2: So let's see. 00:25:31 Speaker 4: So some critics have accused Patrick of missing warning signs and failing to protect his own children, which I you know, I would certainly agree with, but some have Some cruel viral posts have suggested without evidence, that Patrick was somehow involved in the murders. 00:25:49 Speaker 2: Let's see, let's see, lets see, let's see. 00:25:51 Speaker 4: They're supporting that Patrick and his new wife, Rachel have been targeted by online. 00:25:58 Speaker 2: Trolls and hit with death threats. 00:26:00 Speaker 4: They've been docked, They've had their personal information posted publicly in a campaign of digital harassment. 00:26:07 Speaker 2: A colleague noted that Rachel is his new wife. This happened several years ago. 00:26:15 Speaker 4: This happened in twenty twenty three, and the relentless online scrutiny had clearly worn her down in recent months, even as she continued pushing forward with her life and career as a fertility doctor at a New York clinic. 00:26:26 Speaker 2: It's been tough. She's hanging in there. 00:26:29 Speaker 4: He relocated from the Boston suburbs to Manhattan four months after May twenty twenty three, when his children were killed. 00:26:38 Speaker 2: It also says, yeah, It. 00:26:41 Speaker 4: Just says they've been doxing them, they've been going out after them. They've been trying to claim that his relationship was some kind of. 00:26:51 Speaker 2: You know, some kind of motivator. 00:26:53 Speaker 4: Others have accused him as a form of a form of neglect for leaving Lindsay home alone with the children that night in January twenty twenty three, even though her own treating doctors had assured him that she was no danger. That it's you know, it's going completely nuts. People are saying, let's see, let's see. 00:27:14 Speaker 3: Well it's one of those. 00:27:15 Speaker 2: Wait, wait, wait, hold on a second. This this happened at night? Is that what it? 00:27:20 Speaker 3: I don't I don't believe. So I think it happened he like went or maybe he went out to run an errand at CBS or something, and that's when she did it. 00:27:26 Speaker 2: Basically, I would like to know a time of day here. 00:27:29 Speaker 4: I think I think that actually, I think that makes a big difference. 00:27:32 Speaker 3: Wait are you going Jack, Are you becoming open to this? 00:27:37 Speaker 4: No? No, I'm saying it's actually worse. You know, was it like because it says, oh, she was up at night, Well she. 00:27:48 Speaker 3: Was up at night, like she was part of the argument for why she was going nuts. Basically, no, no, no, okay, no, between five and no. 00:27:53 Speaker 4: No, but sorry that that article is no, that comment was incorrect because I know this is between five and six, so that's like normal dinner time, you know kind of time. Okay, right, that comment was incorrect, So there you go. Daily mail, even the Daily Mail gets things a little bit a little bit off. Yeah, well or maybe maybe it's just out of context. 00:28:12 Speaker 3: Yeah, but just to get the scale of it, like throw off, throw up the tmzuh screenshot that I showed. So this is a TMZ gossip rag article about it. All the nings walked out. These are the top comments on it with the most thumbs. I just want to know when the husband is going on trial. And then we have a person in the medical field, a nurse doesn't know to cut down the street not across. I guess that's some you know, they're trying to find something suspicious about it. She's innocent. When is Patrick getting indicted? And then another he's guilty and people are they're they're just posting his like his face and saying, oh, he kind of does look a bit like Sam Altman basically, So I guess they're just deciding he has an evil face. And this is this is consuming hundreds thousands, dare I say millions of people are building these castles in the clouds. Again, No, and on the defense team is alleging this. Lindsey herself has never alleged this. Like a lot of them are basically saying he he would be such a narcissistic psychopath that he did it and then he gas lit her into thinking that she'd done it. They're they're dreaming up realities like that in this case. 00:29:16 Speaker 6: Well, the crappy part about this whole thing, and as you read this and read these people making up these random things is now shifted from as the facts come out and as the trial is happening. Yeah, and we and we see some of this right now. They're shifting from Okay, well he didn't and now we're seeing like ripples where like, okay, maybe he didn't do it, but he is now sketchy and look at like like you said, like they're like cleaning in on his face and saying how he's a terrible person. And the reality is, you know, for whatever, you know, for all it's worth, like other people have come in and been like he's always he's always been a good he's always been. 00:29:58 Speaker 3: A good dad. He was always But that's how they would trick you. 00:30:03 Speaker 9: Hi, folks, Andrew Colvett here, I'd like to tell you about my friends over at why Refi. You've probably been hearing me talk about y Refi for some time. Now we are all in with these guys. If you or someone you know is struggling with private student loan debt, take my advice and give them a call. Maybe you're behind on your payments, maybe you're even in default. You don't have to live in this nightmare anymore. 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We're doing a second edition of Unhumans, The Secret Archie of Communist Revolutions and how to crush them, and this was called so it's going to be called unhumans socialist revolution and kind of talk. 00:31:18 Speaker 2: About what's going on right now. 00:31:19 Speaker 4: And we actually have this like vocabulary chapter where we were like describing the vocabulary of the toxic left, and one of the entries is actually the word narcissist and it says narcissist definition any non left wing individual who says no to a left wing individual, narcissist. 00:31:39 Speaker 7: Yeah, how many chapters? How many more chapters? You guys got ten? 00:31:43 Speaker 4: We're doing ten new chapters. So it's ten full new chapters for all the things in the last couple of years. 00:31:49 Speaker 2: And and actually, so here's our end. 00:31:50 Speaker 4: Then, so each there's a definition producer Foz came with the idea. 00:31:53 Speaker 2: It was genius. 00:31:54 Speaker 4: And then there's always an example sentence after that, so it says, example, her conservative husband told her he didn't want to donate five thousand dollars to plan parenthood. He must be a toxic narcissistic abuser. 00:32:07 Speaker 2: Anyways, like what they mean when. 00:32:09 Speaker 3: They use these Yes, yeah, but anyway, I think we've got we have a clip. We have all these clips, and I don't think we've played any of them, so I feel bad. We have eleven. So this is a conspiracy theorist explaining their version of the case, and I have no idea what they're going to say. Actually, I haven't seen this clip. Let's queue up clip eleven. 00:32:26 Speaker 10: Lindsay was charged with the murder of Cora, Dawson, and Callen. The accusation is that they were murdered with three exercise bands wrapped around their necks. First Dawson, then Cora, then cal Lindsay pled not guilty. Lindsay to me, looks scared and confused. Lindsay is already silently sobbing in her chair when prosecution is going into the day of January twenty fourth, twenty twenty three, it was a snowy day. Cora and Dawson were in preschool, but they didn't go on tuesdays. Lindsay took Korra to a check up that morning, where the doctors suggested pedia acts because Korra was having trouble going to the bathroom. Patrick was home with the boys. The two of them texted like normal. When Lindsay got back with Cora, Patrick returned to the basement to work. Lindsey put down Callen for a nap and then takes the older two outside to play. That afternoon, Lindsay searched for both pedia acts online as well as take out three V. Prosecution claims that she was searching for how far it was to figure out how much time she had to find the phone number for the closest CVS, which she did and calls and ask about the kid's pedia Axe, which they say they do have in stock. Patrick claims to have made the call to Lindsay from CVS, saying they didn't have the on brand, they only had the generic version, but the evidence shows that he purchased the pedia Axe, so then she looks up the. 00:33:43 Speaker 7: Restaurant three V. 00:33:44 Speaker 10: Right she texts Patrick and asks if he's okay with takeout. He says yes, He claims to leave at five point fifteen. He claims Dawson was eating chicken nuggets on the couch, but in the evidence photos there is not a crumb on the kids plates on the counter, so apparently during this trip murder suicide crunch time, Lindsay also stopped to. 00:34:03 Speaker 3: Do the dishes. 00:34:04 Speaker 10: Patrick leaves for CVS and three V, and Shannon the DA says that's when the clock starts she then takes the children to the basement. Shannon said that Lindsay takes the children to the basement, she separates Dawson from Cora and Kalan. 00:34:17 Speaker 3: Okay, so so we heard a little bit of the weird stuff there. They oh, there's no there's no crumbs on plates in the photos and that that you know in the This. 00:34:27 Speaker 4: Is what they do, Yeah, this is what they these And we've talked about the cancer that is the true crime community on this show for years, even even when Charlie was still here and co hosting, because it's it's what they do is they take these cases of obviously guilty people. And in this case, keep in mind, in this case, Lindsay Clancy's lawyers are not contesting the facts. They are not contesting what the state alleges she did. They are saying, yes, she did it. They're using a different type of defense, basically insanity play. In this case, it's a medically induced insanity, pharmaceutically induced. 00:35:08 Speaker 2: And yet you. 00:35:09 Speaker 4: Will get these people who say, ah, but there the other the plate was didn't have any crumbs and he said he was eating. 00:35:18 Speaker 2: The chicken cut. What does it matter? Why does that matter? 00:35:22 Speaker 4: What if even if there were, if the chicken nuggets were somewhere else, does that change anything? Does that actually change anything? No, it doesn't. But what they do is they stick into something that they claim is an inconsistency to then try to paint this. 00:35:37 Speaker 2: Bigger, broader picture fitting what they believe. Is. You know, they're true my truth. 00:35:44 Speaker 4: Quote unquote, that that somehow, ipso facto the husband did it, when that's not how a chain of logic works. That's not evidence of anything. It is simply the normal type of thing that comes up in an investigation. Or perhaps one person says something, perhaps they misremembered, perhaps they perhaps that you know, in recollections, especially when you're dealing with an emotional situation, maybe the chicken nuggets were for breakfast or you know, for lunch or whatever. 00:36:15 Speaker 2: You know, the point of the matter. 00:36:16 Speaker 4: Is that doesn't change any of the salient points of the case. But you've got this guy, which, by the way, anyone who's a trained investigator would know, because that because guess what percentage of cases have you know, have something like that one hundred percent. But what you have to do is just focus on the material evidence. 00:36:35 Speaker 8: Well, let me make one comment that I think that you know anyone who's saying, well, why were the plates full of these chicken nugget crumbs? If you're insane enough to strangle three of your children, and then the argument is that, oh well, then who would then go and do the dishes? 00:36:51 Speaker 7: A crazy person would. 00:36:53 Speaker 8: Go and do anything that seems out of the ordinary, because you just strangled your three children. So Jack, you're exactly if you're right, people laser focus on some of these points. But it's like you're missing the whole point of her strangling her children and then acting like she's gonna have coherent thoughts and make decisions that are in tune with reality. 00:37:12 Speaker 7: It just doesn't add up. 00:37:13 Speaker 8: And by the way, like you said, she's making this not guilty plea, but she's not saying that her husband did it. And look, this has been years and if you have any leverage on her, if you have any threat on her, what could you even have. She lost her three children, the most important thing that pretty much any person on the planet, if you're a parent. So it's like, of course they would come out and make that argument. 00:37:36 Speaker 2: They're not. 00:37:37 Speaker 8: They're not accusing him of anything. This is just online goblygoot because people are bored. 00:37:42 Speaker 7: That's what it is. 00:37:43 Speaker 3: But is it that I guess it's their bored And by the way, Jack will appreciate this. We got Zusan's pedals donated and she pointed out that this is they're getting their crackpot theories from the movie The Housemaid. Remember when we talked about that, Tyler, Ah, yeah, told you about that. I told you reminds people that goes on is I believe Sidney Sweeney is a housemaid and she goes into some superficially idyllic family and then it turns out the husband is secretly abusive and for no. 00:38:20 Speaker 4: Reason, no reason, Yeah, they murder the husband and then she gets away with it, like they murdered the husband together, I should say. And then so it's Sidney Sweeney and a man of SAFREDA Safred is the is the wife. Sidney Sweety is the epitonymous housemaid, and you know, she gets away with it, and then that sets up the rest of the series where she then gets hired out by other women who are in similar situations and then she goes and then kills their husbands as well. And I said, when this came out that if you guys remember you can go back and blake. 00:38:55 Speaker 2: Thank you for reminding. 00:38:57 Speaker 4: Us of this that I was spurging out that this is turning uh, feminists and female brains into absolute mush, and it is weaponizing women. It's what do I call I think I called it radio Rwanda for women when they're listening to this stuff, because it was completely insane, and I had so many people pushing back on me saying, oh. 00:39:19 Speaker 2: Jack, I watched it. I just thought it was a thrill. 00:39:21 Speaker 4: Like, no, I don't think you'd understand what's going on on a subliminal level here. 00:39:24 Speaker 2: And this is really really really bad. And let's see this. 00:39:31 Speaker 4: Yeah, I see someone in the in the chat is actually saying, you know, a bunch of them are on Apple podcast. There's another guy or maybe that's a podcast. I don't know, but I slower books down and it's just it's just it's horrific. It's just it's it's horrible stuff. It's discussing stuff, and it's turning women against men. 00:39:48 Speaker 2: And here you go for for example. 00:39:54 Speaker 3: So what can we do about the I I feel like we can joke about this, but this feels like it's something of like a wider menace, like, for example, we have jury trials in this country. Twelve people is the norm. You need unanimity to convict, and when you are This feels like it's happening at scale, that there are millions, tens of millions, possibly even women who are marinating in true crime stuff, who are marinating in stuff like the housemaid Like. They love using they love talking about gaslighting and narcissistic personality disorder and all these things, and they love to dream up these scenarios. They love to embrace these scenarios. They love people turn these into their full time job. This feels like some sort of threats to the republic. 00:40:47 Speaker 4: Dare I say, it's it's something where you know, do you what do we think? What do we think is the reason behind this? Do we think that do we think that it's It's just like these of mind moms who are bored. I personally think that they kind of get a thrill about it. It's like I know something that nobody else knows, and I've got I'm uncovering the truth that you know, the establishment. I don't exactly know who the establishment is here in this case. It you know that they don't want us to know and that there it's it's you know, the heart of you know, hardcore feminism is of course rebellion, and so it's like this rebellion against the established order. 00:41:33 Speaker 2: And in. 00:41:36 Speaker 4: Female media, this is every single story is the same story these days. Whether it's whether it's Housemaid or whether it's Bridgerton or whether it is The Handmaid's Tale, they're literally all the same story. It's just like like this like women's and not just liberation, like in terms of go to the workplace, it's like anti male propaganda. 00:41:56 Speaker 3: All right, Cliff, Yeah, what are you saying? 00:41:58 Speaker 8: Yeah, this this infatuation with the true crime and like you said, Jack is hey, I know something you don't know, and. 00:42:04 Speaker 7: I want to be creative and I want to you know, uncover the truth. 00:42:07 Speaker 8: It's kind of pulling from the major conversation that not only are we not having it, but like the mainstream is not having it, which is like maybe these SSRIs and these drugs and all these things are not the way to cure some of these mental illnesses or these people that are having you know, mild depression, and we just throw them on all these medications. I mean, not to tie everything back to the twenty twenty four election. But one of the greatest things about MAHA was this idea of maybe the medical institutions aren't correct right, Maybe the mainstream people that we've listened to for the last decades are getting this wrong, and we shouldn't be over medicating every single person that walks into a doctor's office and says, hey, I feel sad. Well, great, let's try to concoct the perfect medication lineup so that you don't feel sad anymore. Really, what we do is, you know, we numb people out, and we put everybody into this category that they need medical and so I don't know how we get the conversation back there. But for me, there are so many people, even growing up, I feel like, you know, in the late nineties and the early two thousands, even the Riddle and Boom and this idea that like kids that had too much energy, especially young boys, had to be medicated out of that and we had to figure out a way to calm people down. 00:43:20 Speaker 7: I just wish that that was more of the conversation. 00:43:23 Speaker 2: Wow, guys, guys, we gotta comment in here. I love this. The on rumble. 00:43:30 Speaker 4: Someone afol ten nineteen says the fact that not a single person giving commentary here does not have a uterist, nor can or will ever experience childbirth should exclude your opinion, grow and birth a child and then talk to me. 00:43:48 Speaker 2: Are the Foyd's okay? Boys? 00:43:49 Speaker 4: Are the Foyd's okay? Yeah? The majority of us are fathers actually and we have children, so actually, no, we do have kids. And this is about maintaining your household. This is about understanding how how relationships work, understanding how our world works. And you know, we're talking about common sense. This is literally common sense stuff. And yeah, by the way, I'll even go to that level and say that I do think that the father, I don't know if he has criminal you know, liability, I don't I don't know if I'd go so far as to say that, but just on a on a pure you know, just just I don't know, just real talk that you know, if you know that your wife has is on all those drugs and you know that she's going down this this this rabbit hole, then you do actually have a duty to your children to get them away from her, and whether if that's for a period of time and say like, hey, I'm gonna you know, we're gonna go visit the grandparents or something. Whatever it is, right, you got to do what it takes. 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In quotes, it's very sad. You know. I have a thought, Cliff, I feel we mention, you know, the desire always putting kids on pills. My big brain take is I feel like America would have better mental health if we basically never talked about mental health ever. And I think there are a few things. One, we have a constant desire and this spans all manner of illness. I think America, even relative to other First World countries, has a sort of attitude that anything should be curable through the medical system, and so they want a pill for anything, even a problem where it's really just you should tough en up, you should change your behavior. I think we talk a lot like we over We use overly therapeutic language for things like get therapy is an insanely common piece of advice for people on everything, and I just think a lot of problems would be whether you could actually describe them in pharmacological terms or not. It might be more useful for the person if the common response was you you just need to behave better, you need to act better, like it's actually just morally wrong what you're doing, as opposed to, oh, you actually have this disorder that we've classified in the DSM and in these eight different ways. It's just a suspicion I have. And I feel like America, for example, whenever we have that, you know, a mass shooting, and we'll say America needs to be talking more about mental health. Well, we didn't have mass shootings fifty years ago, and we were never talking about mental health. Then, in comparison, something about this all just seems off to me. It feels like misdirected focus. You know what, I googled. 00:48:30 Speaker 6: I googled this just because I was interested what would come up, you know, on the AI platforms. All right, I guess I AI had this, but I was My question was because this is really that the entire focus on self, the. 00:48:45 Speaker 3: Craziness is really. 00:48:48 Speaker 7: Vaulted. 00:48:49 Speaker 3: I think since. 00:48:50 Speaker 6: Socialda advent of social media, since women have stopped watching because for about it almost I don't know, sixty seventy years, women were really into soap operas. So they filled up their time. When life became a little bit easier in the modern in the modern era and the you know, post industrial revolution, women turned to soap operas. And then soap operas really existed for a long time, a long long time, like from like the forties until like we were basically like teenagers and so most of us on because we're all about we're very similar in age, and so it's been since that time when like soap operas took a nose dive, and now they're into. 00:49:35 Speaker 3: The true crime stuff, the vampire fiction. 00:49:39 Speaker 6: And yeah, I'm sure there was some kind of bridge there that I'm missing, So that got to to the true crime piece. But I googled what did women do before soap operas? And it says heavy domestic labor, local social visits, and reading magazines and newspapers, which sounds like a really much very simple time. 00:50:01 Speaker 3: This does get to something bigger, which is there's I guess two constants one women getting distracted by things like that. So I mean before you had soap operas, had you had moral panics that women were reading too many novels that were firing their imagination, like old eighteen hundreds novels. Yeah, and then you've also had different iterations of women, like concerns with like women's specific mental I mean mental illness, we should say. So in the fifties during the soap opera era, the you know they had like women were on a lot of what were they take like benzos for example, was like a drug they would take more at that time, and like they would take tranquilizers and then if they were going really loopy, you know, husband would have them hauled off to the asylum, and a lot of cases that might just be wanted to replace the wife with a new wife. And classic classic point in like old fifties movies and stuff. And then before that you had like the hysteria panics, so women were having fainting spells, they were developing these hysterical issues, and that was constantly talked about in the eighteen hundreds, and then by nineteen twenty or so it's almost never talked about. And we get different cycles of what mental illnesses are manifesting for people. And I think that's very interesting and I think it points towards stuff that we're inclined to describe as like a highly clinical technical mental illness are often social. They're manifestations of social trends that people hear, Oh, this is what a person does when they're a little loopy. This is what a person does when they're depressed, when they're in distress after they have a baby, and that manifests, so to put it another way, is, for example, is a lot of postpartum depression caused by the fact that people talk about postpartum depression a lot. I think that's worth considering. 00:51:48 Speaker 7: Let me give you guess. 00:51:49 Speaker 2: It does seem I was just gonna say it. 00:51:52 Speaker 4: It does seem like it's it's used as an excuse. 00:51:55 Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead, Cliff. 00:51:56 Speaker 7: Yeah, it's one of my favorite quotes. Dana White. 00:51:58 Speaker 8: They grilled them in some interview because he's made some anti you know, men going to therapy quotes, and he says, I'm gonna paraphrase this. 00:52:05 Speaker 7: There's some some language here, not good for the stream. 00:52:08 Speaker 8: But Dana White says, quote, I believe that as a man, there's all this talk about men's mental health. 00:52:12 Speaker 7: I can't stand that crap. Yes, guess what. Life is hard. It's a nasty, ugly world out there. 00:52:17 Speaker 8: It's not perfect, and you can't afford to be a man and talk publicly about, oh my mental health. 00:52:23 Speaker 7: We all have bad days and good days. 00:52:24 Speaker 8: And I believe that as a man, you suck that crap up. Usually, if you're a man, you have a lot of people relying on you to deliver your wife, your kids, possibly other family members. If you run a business, every one of your employees. Yeah, there's no time for men's mental health. You're an f and man, get up, put your f and shoes on and get out there and be a man. And I just think that narrative has kind of been lost. But I agree with Dana White. I mean, sometimes you just got to toughen it up and deal with it. You don't have to sit across from a therapist. You don't have to just manifest in it. You got to figure out solutions, and times have to be tough to create those solutions. 00:53:00 Speaker 6: Well, and that goes back to my point I originally kind of brought up, which is, you know men and for sure men are having way more psychotic breaks today than they were you know, twenty thirty fifty years ago, right, So this is not just it's some of this is an application problem of you know, modern conveniences and that like to that point is and I totally agree with you, Cliff, is that you you usually can get over and work through most problems in life by like actually like committing yourself to work and doing the right things and keeping yourself busy enough where these things don't become you know, a mental mental anguish in your head. 00:53:44 Speaker 3: And that's the point with women was that women had. 00:53:47 Speaker 6: A lot more of that, right, Like, I mean, some of the question here is like are women doing things that they really aren't built to do, which is you know, high performance job that they're thrown into that they you know have, Like we're seeing all the tiktoks and things like that that they are clearly communicating that they don't really want and they wish they didn't have, like those those tiktoks that the show of, like women like arguing for you know, full time work weeks and things like that, but you know, even at home when they were at home. Women pre the forties or thirties, when soap operas began, and they were named soap operas because they advertised soap because of the listeners to the soap operas, because they were cleaners that. 00:54:32 Speaker 3: Were straight up like spot like the show was brought to you by. 00:54:35 Speaker 6: They were all sponsored by soap. That's why they're called soap operas and so because they were they were washing floors by hand, and they were scrubbing base boards every day, and they were boiling hot water so they could wash their clothes because they didn't have modern conveniences of modern washing machines, and they were cooking meals from scratch because there was no preparation convenience that existed, and so there's all these things that it's like the same. 00:54:59 Speaker 3: It's the same, is you though, right, whether you're a man or or a woman. 00:55:02 Speaker 6: And you have you know, mental ineptitude, you have mental breaks, you have you know, crazy things that are kind of coming at because the people aren't working as hard as they once were people. 00:55:15 Speaker 5: And again actually that's some beauty of modern convenience. 00:55:19 Speaker 3: People aren't working as hard and they're like and there are other phones all the time, which means, like, I do think social media psychosis is absolutely central to this as and I completely fan TikTok well not ban TikTok Instagram. 00:55:33 Speaker 6: I think that adds to I mean I think, I mean social media and modern modern technology exists because of our ability to like some of this goes back to like some of those things wouldn't have got developed if we were forced to spend all our our days and hours in the field, right, Like how much time would you actually have for a cell phone and content on a cell phone if you were if you were trapped in a field every single day, or again on your hands and knees, scrubby with water that you have to boil yourself over a flame like right, like you wouldn't have as much. The reality of most of our problems is they're self created, their self induced, because you have so much time to be able to do those things. 00:56:14 Speaker 2: Well, Tyler, two things on that. 00:56:16 Speaker 4: First of all, that's an absolutely brilliant point. I was gonna make a different response when you said they were not working as much. But when you pointed out that you were talking about like manual labor, that's one hundred percent true because many of the things that you're describing there are also linked with increases in testosterone. And so when we're in raw Nationalist was here and he was talking about his book, that's exactly what he was saying that you know, we used to do these things so much more at society, and as a testosterone is a regulator. It's also a strengthener, but it's a regulator. So it's regulating that behavior so much more, particularly in men, but not just men, in women as well. Obviously, we don't want to go full you know, w NBA with the testosterone here. 00:57:03 Speaker 2: But you know, one of the. 00:57:05 Speaker 4: Things that I was going to point out is, and I had a long conversation with Mike Schernovich about this, the other day, because you know, talking about this case, but then also talking about how you see you see a lot more of these. What men do, unfortunately, which is even worse is family destructions, and you probably see more men do family destruction rather than just straight up child killing, where it's particularly associated with losing their jobs. And you see a lot of high net world, high net worth men will lose their job or they get caught having an affair, and you see a headline this, you know, like a couple times a week lately, where suddenly they because they're all of their status is wrapped up in their job. And that's kind of what I was saying a couple of weeks ago, when I was saying that, you you know, we shouldn't center our entire lives around capital and the accumulation of material wealth and status in that then they will go and like kill their children, kill themselves, killed their wife. And I think that that's a big part of it. I think that that's it's people putting their you know, wrapping their entire lives around that material item. And I'm not saying that's what the Lindsay Clancy case. I'm saying, this is what you see when men commit these family destructions because they think, oh, my life is over and all of these people, you know, the wife, the children, they all exist because of me, and if my life is over it, then their lives have to be over too. And that's what creates this mental snap because I'm like, you know, I would just you know, would I would be totally fine losing every single They could zero out my bank accounts, I can zero out my social media. As long as I have my wife and kids, I'll be fine. I'll go get a job at a gas station, I'll go. 00:58:46 Speaker 2: Work at wahwah. I really would not care in the least. 00:58:50 Speaker 4: But for me, the reason I work and that I have anything is for my family, not the opposite. 00:58:58 Speaker 6: Yeah, And I think that's where everybody is is where it's like the lack of priorities within society. And again you can blame social media for a lot of this, where it's like constantly the confusion of what's most important. You know, what's going to give you solace, what's going to do you know, kind of bring you home, what's most important? Right like, whatever whatever's get each individual is getting bombarded with right now, whether you're a man or or a woman. But you know, in particular, I wonder women are getting bombarded. 00:59:30 Speaker 3: I think way more. 00:59:31 Speaker 6: And I say this feeling bad for women, because I think women are far more bombarded by this stuff. You know, even in just conversations you know, I'll have you know, with with women in my life and with like friends of you know, and spouses of people. 00:59:50 Speaker 5: It's like it's like there's like a total lack. 00:59:54 Speaker 6: Of priorities sometimes with some people where they're they're not focused on those things that are the most part, which is again their family, their kids, their relationships, right, They're focused on a billion other things, you know, feeling depressed because of the vacation that wasn't as good as the neighbors or you know, not having the dress or the home or the flooring or the whatever. 01:00:21 Speaker 3: Right. 01:00:21 Speaker 6: That's like that's being thrown at them. On Instagram, you know, the tiktoks have been just horrible because it's it's not just the short content that's just like silly, goofy stuff, but it's the commentary on again like that soap opera type stuff, which is commentary on what's happening online and wanting to know, like. 01:00:43 Speaker 3: What's going on online all the time with all. 01:00:45 Speaker 5: These different things, and. 01:00:47 Speaker 6: It's just it's just brain rot. And again it's just this misprioritization that's again disproportionately affecting women. And because they have more time on their hands, and and I think the. 01:01:01 Speaker 3: Answer they just invest more time in it. 01:01:03 Speaker 6: I do think the only answer though, is like to this point is like to me, it's like, is that manual labor, Like the only answer. 01:01:10 Speaker 3: For Tyler force women into manual labor. There we go, right, societies problems. We're gonna take women, We're gonna delete their Instagram and we're gonna make them do that old time washing on the washboards. 01:01:24 Speaker 6: I think men, I think men are falling, yeah, kind of for this too, right, because we don't do men don't do I don't do nearly enough with my hand, Like I'm not picking up a shovel every like once or twice a week and digging something. 01:01:39 Speaker 3: I'm not doing project like. 01:01:42 Speaker 6: And again this is part of why I'm like so anti you know this whole just like depend on cheap labor to do a bunch of stuff. Is like I think in America, we're not teaching young young people, particularly young men, to do stuff early that they should know how to do like just basics like men. 01:02:01 Speaker 3: And I think men. 01:02:02 Speaker 6: Actually yearned for this, By the way, I've had conversations with many men who are like man, if I could just learn how to frame, I would I would learn how to frame. 01:02:09 Speaker 3: If I could just learn masonry, I would do masonry. If I could just learn how to which I will know you can do these things. 01:02:14 Speaker 6: In fact, it's easier than ever to learn basic electrical or like you know, you know, think plumbing, Like men like actually kind of want to do that stuff. And the question is is like for me because I'm not a woman, but like do women want to do those things? And kind of the answer I get the vibe from is that, like, actually, I think men are like probably more interested in doing those things, the manual labor stuff that they're supposed to be doing, then women are wanting to do in today's society, and that might be kind of controversial. 01:02:47 Speaker 9: But hi, folks, Andrew Colvett here, I'd like to tell you about my friends over why REFI. You've probably been hearing me talk about why REFI for some time now. We are all in these guys. If you or someone you know is struggling with private student loan debt. Take my advice and give them a call. Maybe you're behind on your payments, maybe you're even in default. You don't have to live in this nightmare anymore. Why Refi will provide you a custom payment based on your ability to pay. They tailor each loan individually. They can save you thousands of dollars and you can get your life back. 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They're holding her up and they are holding a rally, a rally for Lindsay Clancy next week at the Plymouth County Superior Court. 01:04:17 Speaker 2: Organize us in your city. 01:04:19 Speaker 4: They're trying to turn it where Pink the peaceful support she deserved. 01:04:24 Speaker 3: I'm like, so you're saying I should go and maybe, you know, maybe I'll find a wife there. 01:04:29 Speaker 6: The most damning thing that was done here was they made this on AI and whatever platform, whatever AI platform enabled this, deserves to be hit with tariffs. 01:04:42 Speaker 8: Yeah, the only the only comment I was going to make is Tyler. The entire realignment away from you know, society has pushed and you can push with tyranny as long as you want to push people away for manual labor. But I think eventually there realignment. I mean we're seeing it now. You know, these welders, these plumbers. 01:04:58 Speaker 7: Any of these trades. 01:05:00 Speaker 8: You know, you can go to a ten month apprenticeship and come out making six figures. And so you look at the cost of a college degree skyrocketing, the value of the college degree after you get out plummeting, and so I just think you're going to see a natural realignment because there's going to be a demand for this. So whether men want to do it or not, I think they do. I agree with you, you know, I think i'd love to learn some things. I'd love, you know, how to work on my car at a much higher level than I'm able to. But I feel like society has pushed us into so many of these things that looking down on manual labor because we've been told not to be the person stuck doing it. But eventually, these jobs are going to need to be filled, and no, I don't want cheap labor. I want Americans to take those jobs. But that realignment is coming well, and. 01:05:42 Speaker 6: It's going to get worse with robots and yeah, AI, and it's like this problem is not going to get better, and it's even scarier when you think about again, I had. 01:05:56 Speaker 3: Never thought of that dystopia, Like I don't think Isaac Asama, I've ever had a book where it's the future, robots are doing all the manual labor, and what happens is everyone is in pods watching true crime podcasts all the time. And what will even the crimes be because everyone will be so inert in their pods, Like, who's going to even have the energy to get out and commit a hanous murder? 01:06:15 Speaker 5: No? 01:06:15 Speaker 6: But just like this self crime, self harm. 01:06:18 Speaker 3: Self harm. 01:06:19 Speaker 6: Now this is the whole point, right, Like the Lindsay's crime is going is the crime of the future, which is it's it's going to be self harm, and the discussions and the deliberation will be over people's capability of being able to commit self harm. 01:06:34 Speaker 3: I just feel like people are going to be so cooked, Like we won't even have like people are going to barely be able to get married and have kids sufficient to supply insane crimes for people to obsess over. In part of the problem I need AI generated true crime. 01:06:47 Speaker 6: This is the problem is that like yeah, I mean there probably will be. 01:06:52 Speaker 3: That might help society. We just ani generate fake crimes for people to fixate on, and they'll just be debating whether whether this AI person should be convicted, and we just won't tell them that it's all fake. We already have fake crimes that people are debating. It's called Reddit. That's true. That's true, and Reddit's filled with robots. Everything is going to be it's going to be robots all the way down. Tyler. AI generated crimes, AI generated conspiracy theories, AI generated podcasts. We may we may be AI generated ourselves soon. That's what they want. That is what they want. 01:07:28 Speaker 5: That's what the people want. 01:07:30 Speaker 3: That's what the lords want. The overlords want. If you want a vision of the future, imagine a Reddit thread going on forever. 01:07:39 Speaker 2: Cliff, did you, Cliff, what reasoning? No? 01:07:42 Speaker 7: I just said, it all comes back to Reddit. That's the full circuit moment, full circle moment. 01:07:46 Speaker 2: Yeah. 01:07:47 Speaker 4: Cancer, it's brain Rod cancer, the Internet, It's it's uh, it is the cancer Palace. It is the cancer Palace of the Internet, the cancer factory. 01:07:55 Speaker 2: Guys. I think is that are is that our herdbreak? Folks? 01:07:59 Speaker 5: I think so. 01:08:00 Speaker 3: We went a whole hour on. 01:08:01 Speaker 4: This and as as you predicted, Blake, Cliff, anything you want to shout. 01:08:05 Speaker 8: Out Nope on Twitter at Maloney. 01:08:08 Speaker 7: Appreciate you guys. 01:08:08 Speaker 8: We've got a great partnership right now at Citizens Lines with Turning Point Big thanks to Tyler working in our four stage Pennsylvania, Nevada, Arizona, and New Hampshire trying to build that red ball. 01:08:18 Speaker 7: Appreciate you guys having me. 01:08:20 Speaker 6: Next week we'll have some major announcements with Cliff and others where we're going to be launching our get out the vote strategy and inviting people into those states. 01:08:31 Speaker 3: Particularly Arizona. 01:08:32 Speaker 6: We're going to be encouraging people to come to Arizona, so you can kind of pre register and look out for this at tpaction dot com slash one hundred. This's tpaction dot com slash one hundred. We want to get as many people here plan your vacation to come spend a week in Arizona in October. 01:08:47 Speaker 5: We'd love to have you, Cliff would love to have you. 01:08:49 Speaker 3: We're going to be. 01:08:49 Speaker 2: Out races in Arizona. 01:08:52 Speaker 5: We're going to be putting a lot of splinters in our knuckles. 01:08:55 Speaker 3: Shout out, shout out. 01:08:58 Speaker 2: Do you want to promote anything? 01:09:00 Speaker 3: Oh no, no, I'm not I'm not much of a promoter. We should turn into next week's stock Crime. We can talk about all the things that we skipped this week, which will be the things that we skipped last week. I mean, we should do like thought crime after Hours, and it's like every topic that we included in the title of an episode but then never got to so we could finally debate, like is vacation overrated? Is everyone faking disabilities? We could watch a meme video from eight months ago that we've all forgotten existed, that we were totally going to debate. 01:09:27 Speaker 2: Vacation isn't overrated? 01:09:29 Speaker 3: Just people Jack don't don't weigh in on it. We have to do the thought crime extra credit episode. 01:09:34 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay. 01:09:36 Speaker 6: I mean, Blake, you could promote people doing physical labor from now it's talk to It would be. 01:09:40 Speaker 3: A huge hypocredit if I promoted physical labor. 01:09:45 Speaker 6: That's not true. They never doing door knocking? Does that counts physical labor? I feel like walking accounts. People don't want to knock on doors and talk to neighbors. 01:09:57 Speaker 4: Guys, did we just solve I think we literally just solved the problem of TikTok feminism right there. If you just get your woman to be a door knocker, then it'll all match. 01:10:09 Speaker 3: Well, they don't want we want? Are we sure we don't want the true believers, the people who say that this guy that Time's husband murdered their kids and Gassler? Are we sure we want those people? 01:10:18 Speaker 6: Knock time out? The feminists we don't want knocking doors. The great conservative women that are out there that have their their heads screwed on straight. 01:10:26 Speaker 4: We just tell her, just tell her, tell her, and Biggs is tell her any Biggs is on their side. 01:10:34 Speaker 2: No, it's and and we. 01:10:35 Speaker 6: Need less feminists on doors. We need less of those people on doors. All right, make this super clear. We need to pursue the whole thing. 01:10:45 Speaker 2: No, the whole thing is I. 01:10:46 Speaker 6: Guess it's you know, it's one of those situations. It's like sit at home, go crazy. 01:10:51 Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess it does mitigate their ability to go more crazy. It's it's an interesting balance. Maybe we could have them knock on AI generated doors. Well, I'm getting I'm getting layers, thin layers of my brilliance. 01:11:04 Speaker 5: We could put them in VR headsets and make them think they're knocking on doors. 01:11:07 Speaker 3: Yes, and then they knock on the door and they were just like, if you elect Andy Biggs, he will get to the bottom of the Lindsay Clancy case and get justice. And they'll be like, yes. 01:11:16 Speaker 6: I mean that this brings us to the when the robots look so much like humans and they not start knocking on doors like that's like they We're gonna have a whole debate, dude. 01:11:25 Speaker 3: I just watched the robot door Knob. 01:11:26 Speaker 4: I just watched that that movie. You know, that movie series Megan. There's like a spin off called called Soulmate. I just watched that last night, and that's crazy. 01:11:36 Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's it's it's you know, similar kind. 01:11:38 Speaker 3: Of probably even crazier when you watch that three times speed like Jack does. 01:11:42 Speaker 2: No, No, I watched that one. I watched it one at two X. That one was at two X. 01:11:47 Speaker 4: But then I then I tried to do another movie at It was just really bad. 01:11:51 Speaker 2: It was Aaron Eckhart. It was awful, and he had like a dog. 01:11:53 Speaker 6: And I watched everything at point five X and then I have to keep I wonder you because I'm so distracted. 01:11:59 Speaker 3: He really wants to marinate and Lord of the Rings like all the scenes that he thinks as. 01:12:03 Speaker 2: Imagine how how long Lord of the Rings is at point five? 01:12:09 Speaker 3: All right? 01:12:10 Speaker 6: All right, the gay and slow mo is like not not what we want to see. 01:12:14 Speaker 3: Tyler is an expert on that sort of thing. Jack. The way we got to get out of here. 01:12:20 Speaker 4: So what we learned tonight, or we learned tonight, is there is a cure for feminism. It is hard labor. It might be door knocking. We're not sure if Tyler is ready. 01:12:28 Speaker 2: To co sign that. 01:12:29 Speaker 4: But one thing we certainly have learned, young men, if you are in the dating scene. If you run the dating pool really quick, way to know whether or not you're talking to a crazy person. Ask her her opinion on Lindsay Plancy. Ladies and gentlemen as always go out there, commit. 01:12:45 Speaker 5: More buck time. 01:12:51 Speaker 3: For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to Charliekirk dot com