THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 132 — Gay Certification Program? Dad Chores? RIP Pizza Hut?

00:00:00 Speaker 1: Okay, everybody fuck crime with Blake Jack Tyler. Great conversation. We talk about a lot of things, including Israel, Iron, the WNBA, and federal lands. Email US is always freedom at Charliekirk dot com and become a member today members dot Charliekirk dot com. That is members dot Charliekirk dot com and get involved a Turning Point USA today a TPUSA dot com. That is tpusa dot com. Start a Turning Point USA chapter today at TPUSA dot com. Buckle up, everybody, here we go. 00:00:31 Speaker 2: Charlie, what you've done is incredible. 00:00:33 Speaker 3: Here, maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus. 00:00:35 Speaker 4: I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk's running the White House, polks. 00:00:42 Speaker 5: I want to thank Charlie's an incredible guy, his spirit, his love of this country. 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We've lots to talk about. 00:01:38 Speaker 4: I feel like a few things have happened this week, Charlie, just a couple things. 00:01:41 Speaker 6: So I what do you mean there's doesn't news this week we're talking about. 00:01:45 Speaker 7: I even know what we're gonna get into. 00:01:46 Speaker 1: Really kind of home this week. No, uh yeah, no, real idea. What's been happening? We need to get Charlie and hell. 00:01:53 Speaker 7: Are you at the beach? Are you? Are you at the beach right now? Tyler? I am in. 00:01:58 Speaker 3: I'm in Jack's world out outside of Philadelphia. 00:02:03 Speaker 7: That's right. 00:02:04 Speaker 4: An Eagles game season, though we know how much Jack loves the Eagles. 00:02:10 Speaker 1: It will be NFL season Sooncuse I love the champions. 00:02:14 Speaker 4: Thank you, Actually, Charlie, speaking of you. You were saying, you know, whether you're in the news or not. I feel like it'ld be really funny if we if we could get you into like Catholic level religious retreats, like go out for a week, put your phone away. I've been reading a biography of a of an old emperor and he during Holy Week, he's the emperor of like the largest empire in Europe. Holy Week, he would just go to a monastery for a week and do no official business. So like, imagine if you started doing that and then you just come back after a week, and they'd be like, Charlie, we're you know, world War three started and you're like, oh, oh gosh, but Charlie does that? 00:02:47 Speaker 1: I do that every Charlie. 00:02:48 Speaker 7: Do you do that every Saturday? Though? 00:02:49 Speaker 1: I do? Yeah, no matter what's going on, you do a Saturday phone Friday night turning off. So that's right, get. 00:02:56 Speaker 4: Charlie, I got to say that silent for what about? 00:02:59 Speaker 7: What about? And there's an event that is the exception. 00:03:02 Speaker 1: It's hard. I actually turn off my phone, but I do have to work. But I did it without a phone at least, and it makes it actually a lot more relaxing and I'm more present for sure. But i'd say four or five weekends a year, I have to I have to work, but just the nature of the beast, so you have to sometimes have an exception. 00:03:18 Speaker 4: Do you ever do you try to rotate it at all? 00:03:20 Speaker 1: We're like Sunday then I try to make up, but on son I try to. It's harder because I remember. 00:03:26 Speaker 6: I remember on Saturday, somebody hit me up trying to get a hold of you, and I was at the parade and I was like, oh, Charlie's on his phone Saturday, and I was like, I was like, yeah, you know, you got to go through someone else. But then uh but then I then I did get a message from you in the chat and I was like, oh, maybe. 00:03:44 Speaker 7: He is on his phone. 00:03:45 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:03:46 Speaker 1: I so last Saturday at Women' Summit, I had it on the morning and then I turn off my phone the rest of the day. And so I was like, yeah, this is too much. By the way, it was like the Minnesota terrible story in Minnesota was it was just like all this about Israel around. I'm like, I just I can't it's crazy. Yeah, it was too much. It was literally information overlook speaking of which, so this episode might get a little dated. So let's try to make this in more of a timeless Are we doing Persia. 00:04:10 Speaker 4: First, Well, we'll do it, but yeah, we can zoom out. We're not obviously. 00:04:16 Speaker 1: Let's actually, you know, do we have a piece of tape from the nuke boomer Shane that we could pull? I actually think it's a very interesting place to start. 00:04:24 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:04:25 Speaker 1: Right, So so on my on our program, there was one of our members, and I don't want to insult him. He's a member, he pays money, like good for him, Like, I think it's an insane view that he has, and thank you for being a member. Two different members called us in during the hour, and this was non sarcastic, right, one of which said that there is no cost great enough if we were to invade Iran with ground troops. 00:04:48 Speaker 4: He said he made the comparison to the Book of Esther that this is Haman what's his name, Haman Hayman, Hayman Haymen. He's the he is the Persian vizier official in. 00:04:59 Speaker 1: Just to be clear, Hayman is closely to like Hitler, like the iatol is threatening to be Hitler, but he actually hasn't killed nearly as many Jews as Like I. 00:05:08 Speaker 4: Was telling Charlie this week that a lot of people don't realize Iran to this day has the largest Jewish minority of the Muslim states in the Mid East remaining. So there used to be hundreds of thousands of Jews in Yemen, in Egypt, in modern Iraq. Those communities that are gone. They've moved to Israel or to the United States and they're basically extinct. Iran used to have far more. Most of them did leave, but there is a remnant of about ten to twenty thousand Jews in Iran. You can look online. There are Jewish themed tours that you can go to in Iran that are marketed at like Jews Persian Jews who live in Los Angeles sort of that they go on vacation there. And I think this is my favorite part. There is a constitutionally required Jewish affirmative action representative in the Iranian you know, legislature that they have. They have one for them, they have a couple for the Armenian Christians, and I think they have one for Zoroastrians even Yeah. 00:06:04 Speaker 1: And so I looked this up. The Iranian government says that they're anti Zionists, but they do not call for the extermination of the Jewish people. 00:06:12 Speaker 4: That's good. They're moderates. 00:06:14 Speaker 1: I don't know about that, but I mean they did say this though that I don't think they're moderates. But it's important to note they say that they call for the destructure of the Zionist regime, which would be a lot of dead Jews, let's just be honest. But they say Jewish Iranians have said we are Iranian, we are not Zionists. That distinction protects them politically. So there's fifteen thousand Jews still in Iran. It's not a lot, but I mean it's it's interesting because you would think that they would kill all that. 00:06:44 Speaker 4: And to be clear, I think they basically are required to disavow Israel effective to avoid harassment. It is not great, but clearly it is better than you know, the Jews who lived in Egypt, who are all gone. You can go to Egypt. I think I think there are literally like three Jews remaining in Egypt, and that to be one of the largest Jewish communities in the world. 00:07:02 Speaker 1: That's right. So all right, this is it. So this is four nineteen. 00:07:05 Speaker 3: This is. 00:07:07 Speaker 1: Okay, This is the boots on the ground one. I think it's important because we have to try to define what the consequences of some of this stuff, of being how bad these ideas are, how morally troubling these ideas are. Let's play cut for four nineteen. So, very interesting question and thoughtful. How many American troops are you comfortable with to effectuate regime change in Iran? 00:07:28 Speaker 2: Oh? 00:07:28 Speaker 7: I don't know. 00:07:29 Speaker 4: Whatever. 00:07:29 Speaker 7: Whatever is necessary. 00:07:32 Speaker 1: Now, So if ten thousand American troops died, would you be okay with that? 00:07:36 Speaker 7: I would? I think this is the main enemy, not Iraq. 00:07:39 Speaker 3: This is it. 00:07:40 Speaker 1: Do you think Iran is a greater enemy than China? Well, we can't defeat China. 00:07:45 Speaker 8: See that's an impossible scenario. 00:07:47 Speaker 1: Oh okay, So just to be clear, you would be okay with boots on the ground in Iran? I would okay? So yeah, And then he was followed up by another guy, but Blake. So let's just take that one first. Then we'll do the nuclear weapon one. Why is Iran even if we're like we're going to invade Iran? Why would that probably be a really bad idea? 00:08:07 Speaker 4: This is actually why? Well, I'm sure we'll get to this later. That you know that viral exchange between Tucker Carlson and Ted Cruz, Like how many people are in Oran a relevant question, especially if you're doing boots on the ground. When we invaded Iraq twenty years ago, it had slightly over twenty million people. I want to say twenty two million or so. Iran today has over ninety million people. Uh So that is more than four times the size. Incredible, and it's pretty spread out. They're not all concentrated in one city or anything. It's a And then geographically, the country Iraq, I want to say, is like one hundred and forty thousand square miles maybe a hundred and sixty thousand yep. Iran is over six hundred thousand square miles. So I think you say like three times the size of Texas, about. 00:08:50 Speaker 1: Two and a half times outside Texas. But also if you even to get to Tehran, isn't it nestled within mountains all around? 00:08:56 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a very mountainous country like Iraq. When we invaded Iraq, Iraq is Tiger's River, Euphrates River, and almost all the people kind of live along those rivers. You have some large cities but it's all sort of in a line going down to the Persian Gulf. 00:09:11 Speaker 1: It's it's a it's a very fertile crescent. 00:09:13 Speaker 4: Yeah, literally the fertile crescent. Yeah, and uh Iran it's yeah, it's you have Tehran, a city of sixteen million people, so that's about the size of New York, plus it's immediate suburbs. 00:09:24 Speaker 1: Need the Zagros mountains to the south, yep, yep. 00:09:27 Speaker 4: I can't remember all of that. I used to know that. I used to compete in the geography. 00:09:32 Speaker 1: You gotta know every mountains, Like can you not name every person that lives in Tehran? 00:09:36 Speaker 4: I cannot do that. I cannot. I can name at least three cities in Iran, which I think that's the fun follow up to like the how many people live there is? Like name name four cities in Iran. 00:09:45 Speaker 1: Well I can't, now, I mean like Mashad, not nots Tabreez, Tehran, All. 00:09:54 Speaker 4: Right, you're Goodahan is a good one. 00:09:56 Speaker 7: Yeah, biggest navy base, Calm, Like, I have no idea. 00:10:02 Speaker 4: How they're supposed to say that, but yeah, so it's large, it's very geographically very tons of mountains, so the landscape is pretty comparable to like Afghanistan, just tons of mountains, tons of valleys, tons of caves. In those mountains, there's desert, of course, like the entire southeast quarter of it is the most barren wilderness ever. Alexander the Great once marched his army across it, and about half of them died in the process. 00:10:29 Speaker 1: And even so, even though Romans wanted to take Persia right and it was a thousand it was for a thousand years, they couldn't get it right. 00:10:37 Speaker 4: Yeah, they invaded a multiple times. Julius Julius Caesar was planning an invasion of Persia when he was assassinated, but there were others. One of the allies of Caesar, Marcus Licinius Crassis, he was trying to compete with Caesar, and you know, Caesar was in Gaul, beaten up on all. So the story goes, he crosses into the Persian Empire. He's not even in modern Persia. He's in modern Syria at Cara, and the Persian army shows up and this guy was not cut out from military command. He gets beaten right away. They cut his head off and supposedly they I can't remember if he was already dead at this point. But they supposedly pour molten gold down his throat because he was the richest man in Roman, so they were kind of styling styling on him a bit with that. 00:11:21 Speaker 1: But so Jack, I want to get this from a military expertise. So Jack, even if everyone was like, let's go to a how many Americans would die to displace the Iranian regime? I mean this is a major country, I mean one hundred thousand. 00:11:36 Speaker 6: Well, so, I mean, yeah, if you're talking about an invasion scenario. 00:11:41 Speaker 7: Which would be which is what this guy was calling for costly, right, you know. 00:11:45 Speaker 6: It, or not special operations or one of these bombing runs, but an actual invasion scenario. Keep in mind that the Iraq troop surge was over one hundred thousand troops just there, and so Iran is a country that is a number of times larger, over twice as large as Iraq was at the time. Also, by the way, the people of Iraq would most likely come in in some way sheeper forming here because at least fifty percent or more of Iraq currently supports run. There's massive protests right there, so you would need you would need a larger force right now than Russia has in Ukraine to go into Iran to be able to hold the culture, and not even like we're trying to actually occupy it. 00:12:31 Speaker 1: Just to be clear, just to get to Tehran. It's not like you can just like station an aircraft carrier. There's no launching off point. There's like a couple of ports city. I mean, this is such a bad idea militarily more. 00:12:43 Speaker 4: Deep into the interior. 00:12:44 Speaker 6: So the Rocky Mountains are basically it's like the Rocky Mountains are between the Persian Gults and Tehran exactly. 00:12:51 Speaker 1: And by the way, there's also there's like tanks can't go across parts of the desert because the sand there's like sand traps in it. 00:12:58 Speaker 4: It's super let's just frame it in terms of so we I think our peak force when we invadedd Rock was one hundred and seventy thousand troops. So we had one hundred and seventy thousand troops to secure a country of twenty two million. So if you just want to maintain the same number of like troops per people in the country, you need over half a million, you would have. 00:13:19 Speaker 1: To basically you would have to move basically all of the troops of the Indo Pacific, all of them. You threw like all of the troops of Europe and just say we're going all in on a run for what exactly? And so okay, so that's so, that's bad. I Tyler, do you want to chime in on that before we go to bad idea too? 00:13:36 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a bad idea, Charlie. 00:13:38 Speaker 1: The whole thing is bad. It's a horrible idea. 00:13:41 Speaker 2: I don't know. 00:13:41 Speaker 3: I don't know if there's a single person online that I've seen that that thinks that that's a great idea. 00:13:47 Speaker 1: Oh no, no, it would be better. No, it gets better. 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Are you recommending dropping a neutron bomb on on Tehran? 00:15:43 Speaker 9: Yes? 00:15:44 Speaker 1: Okay, so so you possibly, I mean, no, keep going. 00:15:49 Speaker 9: No, just said the thing is we win. Oxtion is the end of civilization and we know it. Three breaks out. Yeah, it's a neutron bomb and they don't. 00:15:59 Speaker 1: Know why I hit them, just due to your clear like three million people would die, including kids and civilian teams. That's that's a proposal. 00:16:13 Speaker 9: How many people would die. It's World War three? 00:16:17 Speaker 1: Okay. So and then I pressed him further and it was like, you know, and he didn't really know the difference. Betwe a neutron bomb. By the way, a neutron bomb is actually like even more inhumane because like all the buildings stay into like. 00:16:27 Speaker 4: The whole things, like they're an interesting thing. It's Like the idea is, normal nuclear bombs they shoot out a ton of neutrons, but they're kind of contained by the nature of design. This sort of intentionally shoots out and it's like it's like a pulse of radiation. It can like kill tons of stuff. I know they would use it. It would be like a tactical nuclear weapon because you can use it to like kill armor really easily. It's all complicated. Uh, it figures a lot in conspiracy theories. Did you know this? No, there's a conspiracy theory that the US used a neutron bomb on bag Dad's airport to capture it in the Iraq War. Really so, I once I once ran into a guy who was who was pitching that conspiracy theory to me. This was a decade ago. But yeah, So the idea is it's it's supposedly the it's the clean nuke because it's just designed to kill people. It doesn't kill you know, oh yeah doesn't. It doesn't kill buildings, and building lives matter, Charlie. 00:17:19 Speaker 1: So so Jack, I mean, I can't help but be somewhat speechless by all of this. I mean, is this really an opt Like people are thinking the cruelty by way. I asked him if he was a Christian later, and he said, yes, It's like, how could he, as a Christian even like begin to like just. 00:17:36 Speaker 4: The opening volley of a war is to just eradicate a city of sixteen million people. 00:17:42 Speaker 6: Jack, Yeah, you know, and these are serious ethical questions that, of course come up in the context of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. They come up in the context of the Allied strategic bombing of World War Two, many of which, as we know, were because with these atomic weapons, they don't discriminate. They don't discriminate between combatants and enemy combatants, they don't discriminate between any of that. So civilians, children, women, you mentioned the Jewish population of Iran, if any of them happen to be within the blast radius of this thing. 00:18:16 Speaker 7: They're all gone. They're all absolutely gone. 00:18:18 Speaker 6: And if they live, if they're in the next radius, and then beyond that, you've got radiation sickness, you've got cancers, you've got all sorts of things going on. 00:18:28 Speaker 7: My wife comes from Belarus. 00:18:32 Speaker 6: And people know fortunately she's from the western side of Belarus. The eastern side is where the Chernobyl fallout hit and the Chernobyl fallout still affects people to this day in eastern Belarus and people who were born around that time, so late eighties or early nineties, you do have a lot of malformations, you have a lot of cancers, you have a whole host of issues because even though chernobyls in Ukraine right on the border of Belarus, and the way the winds were blowing it, it really really went into went into the civilian population. And it was right around the same time as May Day and in the Soviet Union, May Day was this huge parade. So again you just had all these civilians. So this wasn't and that was just an accident. That wasn't an actual nuclear strike. Again, that was just an accident. And we know how bad Chernobyl was, and you know she's told me also put it this way. When HBO put that movie out or the miniseries out about Chernobyl, I showed her the trailer for it, and she couldn't even she couldn't even make it through the trailer. She couldn't even watch the movie itself with me. So I watched the miniseries alone because she said, this is just too personal, it's too close to home. I know, too many people or have have had families who were affected by this, and I just I can't watch it, so she couldn't. 00:19:52 Speaker 7: Even watch it. 00:19:53 Speaker 1: I mean, just like where are I mean, it's really a sick thing that people just say, go kill three millions civilians like babies and women that have nothing to do with this, Like this is a moral darkness that has to be confronted. 00:20:07 Speaker 4: It's sad, and it was kind of it's sick. 00:20:10 Speaker 7: You know. 00:20:10 Speaker 4: I've read like one of the darkest things actually about you know, World War Two's impact on humanity is it did very much like normalize in Christian European civilization, Like it kind of brought back the idea it was okay to just go total war on someone, like absolute war against an entire country and all of its people, which I feel at the peak of Western Christian European civilization we had we had rolled that idea back. Like the US Civil War killed tons of people, yet there were almost no mass atrocities against civilians. They did occur, but you know, they were war crimes and people got hanged for them. The American Revolution, despite certain inaccurate mel Gibson movies, does not involve mass atrocities against civilians. There are huge with the Napoleonic Wars, a lot of people die in those. But again, you do not have it as a norm that you just roll into a town and totally kill everybody. Or when it comes close to that, people are horrified, and it's hugely controversial. But now you know World War two it was, you know, the normalized the idea of total war. You wage war on an entire country and all of its people, and people are a resource, so you're okay to attack them because you have to attack. 00:21:20 Speaker 6: I do think I should since we are on thought crime, I do think if you're going to say that, I probably should bring up that the March to the Sea, Sherman's March was not exactly not exactly the cleanest and. 00:21:33 Speaker 4: D and that's where you're mistaken, Jack. 00:21:36 Speaker 7: That is that is he literally should right, no, no, no. 00:21:40 Speaker 4: You see, that is that is where your mistake. 00:21:42 Speaker 8: Jack. 00:21:42 Speaker 4: I once went in research. I invite you all, this is one of my favorite things. I once did this. I looked up every county that the March to the Sea went through, and we have the eighteen sixty US census, and we have the eighteen seventy US Census. Every single place that the Sherman's March to the Sea went through had more people in eighteen seven than it did in eighteen sixty. Like the funny thing is is in the South you'll have like all these small towns will have this story. We're seeing. 00:22:07 Speaker 7: The March to the Sea was bloodless. 00:22:10 Speaker 4: Basically there were like there were like no atrocities in the March to the Sea. Like they destroyed a huge amount of infrastructure, Like they destroyed every railroad, but like the rules that Sherman gave his men, well that was the. 00:22:21 Speaker 6: Whole point of hitting Atlanta because that's where the railroad was that connected. 00:22:24 Speaker 4: They burned Atlanta. So they burn Atlanta deliberately, but they don't like kill everyone in Atlanta. They put the people in the city on a train and they send them to the north and not to like scary train ride. They just evacuate. They do destroy Atlanta. Columbia and South Carolina's burned, probably basically by accident. Sherman says he doesn't mind because it's South Carolina and they deserve it. But it is accidental. But other than that, like they don't obliterate any towns they don't destroy Savannah. They don't. So there's all these small towns in the South that have this story of how the ladies of the town like use their clever wiles to keep the Union from destroying the town. And what this gets at is actually the greater truth, which is just they didn't really destroy any towns other than Atlanta and Colombia. And like, he has these rules. He says, you can't destroy anyone's personal home. You can destroy storehouses, you destroy stuff relevant to the economy, but you can't destroy people's personal homes. You destroy stockpiles of food, you do not destroy food that is necessary for individuals to feed themselves. So it's very funny, Like this is an example where people will say this is total war, but if you dig into the details of it, it's actually a perfect example of how our values have changed that in the eighteen sixties this qualified as total war, yet it's utterly incomparable to what we did in future wars or what frankly a lot of people want us to do now to Iran. 00:23:44 Speaker 1: I just I But so Jack helped me understand where does this come from? Where does that kind of cruelty and darkness? Where it's like we're just going to drop a nuclear bomb on an entire population. How do we get here? 00:23:57 Speaker 6: So I think a lot of it is unfortunately, a lot of it is Marvel movie thinking. A lot of it is Hollywood thinking. You get this sort of war fervor also from cable news. Unfortunately, some people just watch too much cable news and they think that, hey, all these people are evil, we have to kill them all, we. 00:24:20 Speaker 7: Have to get them out. And we were actually playing on. 00:24:24 Speaker 6: On human events earlier today just just you know, sort of b roll of city scenes in Tehran, and yet you know, it looks like the Middle East, and it's it's different from us, and you see the burkas, but you do see families and just people sort of walking around and you know, buying food and going shopping and going to work and living their lives and so it's it's you know it again, it's you know, and and you know, having lived overseas and having spent time overseas in places like like China and others that you know people say oh, well the Chinese, this, that and the other things, say, well, you know, they're they're just people, right, There's still just people. And even if you have your differences with the regime, and you, you know, morally want things to happen. You really need to be careful when you're purposefully targeting civilian populations. And unfortunately, I think that is an unintended side effect of the attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki where some people think, well, that's that's just what you gotta do, you know, that's just what you got to do to end the war, to stop them, just just nuke thems, nuke them all the way down, and to the point where Truman himself, you know, didn't obviously, people remember, you know, their history, even though he had dropped the nukes on Hiroshima Nagasaki, did not elect to use nukes on China after they after they got involved in the Korean War, and in fact basically fired MacArthur in for publicly speaking out against him. They had a huge disagreement about it, and MacArthur was saying, let's let's move Beijing, let's nook Shanghai and prevent China from going communists, and well not going communists, but you know, defeating the communists once and for all. And there's you know, there's a obviously a whole alternate history that could have happened had, you know, had that taken place, And so it's it's hard to say. But at the same time, I think there's serious moral and ethical questions here that get glossed over because when people hear about the war drums beating, there's a tendency, a very human tendency to be tribal. And in that very human tendency to be tribal, it's us versus them, and all of us need to defeat all of them. And if you're on the other side, then you know you're going to get you're going to get beaten, you're going to get killed, and that s the end. And to the point, you know, Charlie, in this country, even in World War Two, you know we did in turn any Japanese Americans, many German Americans also faced a lot of this. By the way, a lot of German Italian American German and Italian Americans went and volunteered. 00:27:00 Speaker 7: To join the Axis. 00:27:02 Speaker 6: So these wars are very complicated, and wars get very messy, and it is it's never occurred once in all of history that there was a war that went well and went exactly as the initial planners and promoters said it was going. 00:27:17 Speaker 1: To so blake it's hard to even comprehend. I mean, are we just is there like a older generation problem where they just haven't learned like any foreign policy lessons in the last twenty years. 00:27:28 Speaker 3: You know. 00:27:29 Speaker 4: It's sad because like we think of learning from things, but the truth is, for a lot of people, they get their ideas about the world I think, largely fixed in their teenage years, their twenty something years, and then they're just sort of they're just sort of locked in and it's difficult. It's difficult to learn new things as you age. And I think a lot of just like we see in Washington where a lot of people got in a Cold War mindset, so like that's why they're always paranoid about Russia. And I think that's actually driving a lot of the Iran stuff. 00:27:59 Speaker 7: We had. 00:28:00 Speaker 4: The US in Iran had far more direct conflict in the nineteen eighties. I mean, we have the Iranian hostage crisis, we had you know, you know, shot down were planes getting shot down, things like that, and I think a lot of people wanted some sort of payoff for that. They never quite got it. So instead we've just had this infinite semi occasionally flaring up conflict with Iran. But people have always wanted that payoff and they never got it, and it's just coming roaring back and it will never really go away until people who've been craving that for decades either die off or get their payoff. 00:28:37 Speaker 1: Tyler, what do you make of the generational difference that the older that you are, the more likely it seems that you're open to dropping a nuke or boots on the ground. To talk about the age difference dynamic here, Well. 00:28:47 Speaker 3: I actually think it's really interesting too. Just again we bring in the Russia issue, which is, you know, what is the outcome if you do some kind of massive drop and see ron what kind of outcome? 00:29:04 Speaker 2: Then? 00:29:04 Speaker 3: What's what's the outcome going to look like with Turkey? Your your Turkish relationship, your Russian relationship, obviously the conflict that's happening there. 00:29:14 Speaker 1: What is that? 00:29:15 Speaker 3: What does that do for American day to day life outside of the immense amount of life lost that we've discussed. Is we're I mean, we're talking about the impacts that we would have with gas and everything else. I mean, it is absolutely insane. What would happen? Sorry, guys, I got this like everywhere I'm going, I'm just getting like like I getting beeping into the background here. But you know, I think the older generation and as they're thinking about the uh everything else that we see activists on the ground, which are the loudest that we hear, especially within the Republican Party, are there, They're just they're just completely detached from what this would mean for younger people and what their day to day impact would look like right away with how they live their lives, what the cost would be because largely older people are pretty much taken care of. It's the younger people that would that would feel the brunt of things. And on top of that, you're you're talking about the draft, you're talking about you know who would actually be be sent the massive operation to backfill our military. 00:30:27 Speaker 1: I just don't. 00:30:28 Speaker 3: I just don't know that there's a single person over the age of maybe fifty five that is thinking about this in the same way that you know now the majority of our populations thinking about and definitely Republican voters. 00:30:41 Speaker 1: Well, so what other dynamics are we missing here, Blake or Jack on this conversation that are important that people should know about. 00:30:48 Speaker 7: I was going to say, you do have. 00:30:51 Speaker 6: So we have the age that you mentioned, you have how people get their media, how people get their news. Some people, you know, and you know this came up with like Tucker and Ted Cruz, some people have religious differences on this saying that, you know, some people say they look at Ted Cruse site to Genesis and said, you know, this is why we have to do this. 00:31:12 Speaker 7: And Tucker asked, why is that? 00:31:13 Speaker 6: And that sort of has ignited this massive debate online that I'm seeing as well. So, I mean, there's there's a look when you're talking about anything involving the Holy Land, it's absolutely going to bring up religious beliefs and in some cases conflicting religious beliefs. 00:31:31 Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk Here, crime is skyrocketing. You may already own a firearm, but before you face the financial and emotional weight of pulling the trigger, consider burna. Burna's less lethal launchers, fire tear gas, and kinetic rounds designed do incapacitate attackers for up to forty minutes, giving you time to escape and call for help without deadly consequences. 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Do we want to get into the Tucker and Ted Cruz thing? 00:32:41 Speaker 4: It got sent to me by people who are not even in this country, who don't usually always find always. 00:32:48 Speaker 7: I'd say, biggest thing on the entire area. 00:32:50 Speaker 4: Yeah, A ton of people saw the question about how many people live in Iran, and so I also I saw people say when I watched the whole video. It was more matched between Tucker and Ted that Ted occasionally got Tucker's sort of back off, or he got in some good blows. But what went by far the most viral. We can play it if you want. Let's play a four hundred and sixteen. 00:33:13 Speaker 8: How many people living around? By the way, I don't know the population at all. No, I don't know the population. You don't know the population of the country you seek to topple. 00:33:24 Speaker 2: How many people living around? Ninety two million? Okay? Yeah, how could you not know that. I don't sit around memorizing population tables. 00:33:32 Speaker 8: Well, it's kind of relevant because you're calling for the overthrow of the government. 00:33:36 Speaker 2: Why is it relevant whether it's will because ninety million or eighty million or a hundred million? 00:33:40 Speaker 8: Because if you don't know anything about the country, I didn't say I don't know anything about Okay, what's the ethnic mixer for? 00:33:44 Speaker 4: Wrong? 00:33:46 Speaker 2: They are Persians and well predominantly Shia. Okay, No, you don't know anything about Iran. So okay, I'm not the Tucker Carlson mixus bird on I ran. 00:33:56 Speaker 8: You're a center who's calling the government about the country. 00:34:01 Speaker 1: Eight. 00:34:01 Speaker 2: No, you don't know anything about the country. You're the one who claims they're not trying to murder Donald Trump. 00:34:06 Speaker 4: I'm not saying that. 00:34:07 Speaker 2: Who can't figure out you believe they're trying to murder Trump? 00:34:12 Speaker 8: Yes, because you're not calling for military strikes against them in retaliation. 00:34:16 Speaker 2: And if they believe carrying out military strikes today? Who said Israel was right with our help? I've said we Israel is leading them, but we're supporting them. 00:34:24 Speaker 8: Well, this you're breaking news here because the US government last night denied the National Security Council spokesman Alex Feiffer denied on behalf of Trump that we were acting on Israel's behalf in any offensive capacity. 00:34:35 Speaker 2: We're not bombing, then Israel's bombing. 00:34:37 Speaker 8: Then you just said we were. We are supporting as you're a senator. If you're saying the United States government is now we're with the run right now, people are listening. 00:34:47 Speaker 4: It's so I want to highlight for people why that question about like the ethnic makeup and population is so resonant is when we invaded Iraq. One of the most amazing things is apparently even before we invaded Iraq, a large number of people in the Bush administration, possibly including Bush himself. They did not know the difference between Sunni and Shia Muslims, and Iraq is like one of the only countries where there's a large number of both, and Saddam was from the Sunni minority. The majority of Iraq is Shia, and they were kind of, you know, on the they were the bottom rung of Iraqi society and the Sunnis ran stuff, and they were just unaware of this. They were unaware of that fundamental split in Iraqi society and what that would mean, or how the Shia majority would have close ties with Iran because they're one of the only places that has other Shia Muslims, and that ended up being so important. Besides the insurgency against US forces in Iraq, there was also just sectarian violence. You had Sunni terrorists would blow up Shia mosques, they would target Shia Holy Days for attacks, and they just had no idea about that. And so that's why it's very relevant to ask that, you know, one of the reasons one of the things I've heard said about Iran is one of the reasons they're relatively tolerant of the handful of Jews, Christians, Zoroastrians that they have in Iran is actually no one there has it worse than the tiny Sunni minority they have in Iran because they're heretics. They're not just a different faith. They are the true infidels against proper Islam. And if you're not aware of that, you just realize, like, we could walk into this thing where you can just step on a land mine and you have no idea where any of them are buried because you don't know what you're doing. 00:36:32 Speaker 1: Jack your thoughts on the thermonuclear viral conversation, Well. 00:36:36 Speaker 7: It's one thing that struck me as and you know, I've watched it as well. 00:36:41 Speaker 6: But what's really struck me as much as the conversation itself and a lot of these questions that and I'm just going to say, you don't hear these types of questions on vox News. These are deep questions. These are serious questions. They're not surface level questions. There are questions that, as Blake has described, really if you're going to get into a war or as occurs the counter insurgency. 00:37:07 Speaker 7: After a war like a civil war, and so. 00:37:11 Speaker 6: The almost important, almost as important as the conversation itself, is how this thing has taken on a life of its own online. This is the number one most viral thing with all of gen Z and that's only because, of course Charlie's not on campus right now, but it's all over TikTok. You can see this on the left, on the right, that widespread support for Tucker, widespread condemnation for Ted Cruz's position. And this is the entire you know, eighteen to thirty nine whatever you want to call it, demographic, thev of millennials gen Z people saying that this is just remarkable, that how could there be a sitting senator from one of the most powerful Republican states in the country, who you know, who doesn't know these basic questions and who is citing these very shallow arguments while at the same time just being glib, just being so tremendously glib about something that could get a lot of Americans killed. 00:38:13 Speaker 1: All right, So let me tell you the one where I'm not public comments on in this. I like Tucker a lot. I like Ted a lot. They're both friends mine. I haven't gone on the social media thing because I just think it's everyone's fighting right now, and like, blessed are the peacemakers, and I'm trying to, like, I don't know, figure out what the hell's going on. You will have to be a party after this. Yeah, And I'm also just I don't know. I think there's so I just I wasn't interested in that. But the one thing I will say this though, actually, yes, this is for twenty nine. Maybe I'm maybe I'm just kind of like a Bible nerd, But how do you not know it's Genesis twelve three, Like I don't. I think that's like very like rudimentary scripture. I'm sorry. That was one where I was like, oh, you gotta know that, And so okay, it's loaded for twenty nine. 00:38:57 Speaker 2: Growing up in Sunday School, I was taught from the Bible those who bless Israel will be blessed, and those who curse Israel will be cursed. And from my perspective, I want to be of the blessing side of things, of those who bless the government of Israel. Those who bless Israel is what it says, doesn't say the government of it says the nation of Israel. So that's in the Bible. As a Christian, I believe that where is that I can find it to you? I don't have the scripture off the tip of mine. You pull out the phone and use it. 00:39:24 Speaker 7: It's in Genesis. 00:39:25 Speaker 8: But so you're quoting a Bible phrase, you don't have context for it, and you don't know where the Bible it is. 00:39:30 Speaker 1: But that's like r theology. 00:39:31 Speaker 8: I'm confused. I'm talking about the political entity of modern Israel. Yes, and that is you believe that's what God was talking about in Genesis. 00:39:39 Speaker 1: I do. 00:39:40 Speaker 2: But that country's existed since when for thousands of years now. There was a time when it didn't exist and then it was recreated just over seven. 00:39:47 Speaker 8: But I'm saying I think most people understand that line in Genesis to refer to the Jewish people, God's chosen people. 00:39:58 Speaker 2: That's not what it says. 00:40:00 Speaker 8: Okay, it Israel, but you don't even know where in the Bible it is. 00:40:04 Speaker 1: Okay. This drove me crazy of all, Like you know how like population tables for just to everybody is wrong here, okay, like everybody's wrong. Okay. Israel is not mentioned in Genesis twelve three. Israel husband born yet correct, Israel is Jacob. Okay, so that just it does with God correct the world. The word Israel is not in Genesis twelve three. However, it does say, and let me just say this, this is God's covenant with Abraham Abrum before he became Abraham, I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curse you, I will curse on all the peoples of the earth. Will we be blessed through you? So yes, eventually that does mean the Jewish people and the people of Israel. Now, Ted's theological view I'm actually somewhat sympathetic to. But he just Ted, here's the way you should say it next time, Tucker, I don't anticipate you to greet me theologically, so let's just talk about this geopolitically. But we in our specific camp believe that the reconstitution of the state of Israel is a fulfillment of prophecy in Ezekiel thirty six that I will graft you from around the world and scatter I'll scatter you and bring you back into a nation. But that's not the most relevant thing. That's all he had to say, right, Genesis twelve three and Ezekiel thirty six is actually a better theological argument than Genesis twelve three, because Genesis twelve three is like, well, what is Israel? And Catholics what Satan. So I don't want to get into it. You know, it's the Church, and it's you know, it's the it's the Jewish people, and it's like the Ezekiel argument. For those of us that are sympathetic is a much stronger argument. But it should it have been diffusing. Instead, Ted was almost getting In my opinion, I have a lot of respect for Ted, he was almost like, this is what Christianity believes. Do you notice whenever I talk about it, I say, this is just a theological interpretation I'm sympathetic to. That's a much better way to approach it than just saying like, this is doctrine. And so there are closed hand issues and open hand issues in Christianity. Closed hand issues are ones that if you do not believe this, you're not a Christian. Divinity of Christ, virginity of Mary right, the resurrection of Christ, the creature of the world, the inanity of scripture. And there's open hand issues, right, which is like eschatology or what is Israel? And that's the way I wish you would have explained it. Instead. Here's what drove me the most crazy. Is it made anybody like myself that has this kind of view that God has a plan and prophecy varia well might be unfolding seem as if we're like completely biblically illiterate. Does that make sense? 00:42:28 Speaker 4: And it goes into I mean, I have to run into this all the time where I've encountered people in the US and definitely abroad, this is a very common belief abroad that the only reason conservatives in the US are sympathetic to Israel is they'll just be like, oh, it's just because, like they think it will bring about the end of the world to build the Third Temple, or they just they think that the Bible requires them to just do whatever Israel tells them to do. And like there are a few people who hold to that view, but like, broadly speaking, no, that's not the and we do this correct. You know, people who support Israel, and including pretty aggressively do it because they think it is good for the United States or represents good values that Israel is civilization, Israel is Western and they're in conflict with this, you know, a barbaric country. And that's that's the best argument. 00:43:18 Speaker 1: I totally agree. And so that my whole point is that if you are going to introduce scripture into a geopolitical argument, you better know it, like really well, right, and it should be close tend Christianity issues. 00:43:30 Speaker 7: Right. 00:43:31 Speaker 1: So for example, if all of a sudden, Tucker and Ted were debating whether or not like Bethlehem should be bombed, okay, a closed tend issues, like don't bomb it because Jesus was born there, right, Like that's that that's a good reason to introduce theology in a geopolitics right now, if you're gonna do that, which again Jack Hibbs would be like super quick to do this, friend of mine. He's like, no, just super well, but it's just kind of what it Unfortunately, what it did is it played into a state aeriotype that like they're using Christianity and they don't even know like the fundamental elemental Scripture. So I liked Tet a lot, and I think actually Ted made some really good points later in the argument, later in the whole kind of dialogue that I think we're missed in some of the online back and forth. The world is waking up to the power of gold. National banks are scrambling to secure it. According to the World Gold Council, central banks added one thousand tons of gold in twenty twenty four, the third straight year of net gold buying. They understand what many investors don't. Gold is real money. Unlike paper currency, Gold's value doesn't disappear with inflation, reckless government spending, or market crashes. Now, Noble Gold Investments makes it easy for you to claim your share as our new administration works to reverse the economic chaos of the past. Market swings are inevitable when uncertainty rises. You need something solid, something to keep you on the path to financial freedom. Gold can be that foundation. 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You know, here's this bombing, here's this that bomb another hospital, et cetera, et cetera. 00:46:02 Speaker 7: And I'm not going to get into the efficacy of that, or you know, whether whether or not that's that's true or or all the. 00:46:08 Speaker 1: Rest of it. 00:46:09 Speaker 7: You're recycling old footage. 00:46:10 Speaker 6: I'm just saying this is gen Z's general view, and so it's already pre set to be quite negative. Then they see Israel launching this attack on Iran one week ago, give or take, I think a week and a day ago, and saying, well, here here's net Yahoo again taking off another bomb, another body picking another fight even when he hasn't finished his first fight because of political issues at home, and then this interview comes around on top of it to say, well, here's here's a politician who, an American politician, is going to explain why all of this US money, billions of dollars, is going to go and support a far another foreign war rather than do anything to clean up our our lot at home, which is of course what President Trump ran on. And then they see Ted Cruz and he's he's making these arguments and as is j Charlie. It's you know, it's it's it's confusing for someone who doesn't know all of the backstory, or someone who hasn't read the Bible, or someone who you know, it's like, what's the citation? Can you even explain what you're talking about? And you know it's it's just not there. 00:47:14 Speaker 7: It's just not there. So no, I think if you're someone who's this, no, I could do it. 00:47:18 Speaker 1: Like I just want to say, like this, it's it's not going the way you want. Just just to be clear, like if you really know the theology like I do pretty well, but not as well as like a Jack Hibbs, you can make that argument. But if you don't know it, don't do that argument. Like that's that that's basically what like because it's just you kind of get found out and exposed and it just like because his sec here's the reason he was like well, as a Christian in Sunday School, I was told that we must do this, like this is a guiding principle, and talkers like Okay, tell me why, Like what what's the scripture? Because some people disagree? Yeah, that makes sense, like it If you're going to do that, it makes with incredible specificity. 00:47:56 Speaker 6: And it makes sense not just from a because we're not just talking about the logical, right, we're talking about effective communication. And so in effective communication, and if you're trying to communicate an idea to someone, then you really need to know it inside out because that person's going to ask you questions about it and perhaps challenge you in your view. And so if you're going to use effective communication, you have to think, Okay, where is that person at I'm trying to talk to them. I'm trying to communicate my view to them. So you have to know your view. You have to know what you're trying to say. And that's on you as a communicator. And I mean this in the sense of you know, Charlie and I we do this every day. You know you're communicating. So effective communication always means you have to be able to explain yourself and if you don't, then you are going to run the risk of what I think happened here is making yourself and whoever's side you are taking. 00:48:47 Speaker 7: Look, really bad. 00:48:49 Speaker 1: So just to kind of put a cap So, is there anything Let me just play one more piece of tape here from this debate I actually enjoyed. I encourage everyone, if you have opinion on the Tucker Ted exchange, listen to the entire thing, because I really believe that Ted actually made some really good points. At times, I think some of the clips put him in a bad light. And you, honestly, as you a senator, you should know the population the top three sixes, like you should know. I'm sorry, you should know that. Like, there's no excusing it. But Ted is not dumb. He's a high IQ person. Let's play cut four seventeen. 00:49:25 Speaker 4: Please. 00:49:25 Speaker 2: Does Massage share all of his intelligence with us? 00:49:28 Speaker 1: Oh? 00:49:28 Speaker 2: Probably not, but they share a lot. We don't share all of our intelligence with them, but we share a lot. It's a close a lot. Do they spied domestically in the United States? Oh, they probably do, and we do as well. And friends and allies spy on each other. And I assume why I assume all of our allies spy on us. That's okay with you. 00:49:44 Speaker 3: You know what. 00:49:45 Speaker 2: One of the things about being a conservative is that you're not naive and utopian. You don't think humans are all. Part of the reason socialism doesn't work is is the mantra for each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs doesn't work. As a concern servative, I assume people act in their rational self interest. 00:50:02 Speaker 8: Whygative to pay people to spy on you. 00:50:05 Speaker 2: It's conservative to recognize that human beings act to their own self interest. And every one of our friends spies on us, And I'm. 00:50:12 Speaker 1: Not do you like it? 00:50:13 Speaker 8: That's my question. I'm not asking whether they have motive to do it. Of course they do. I understand that, and I and by the way, I'm not mad at that. And you're an American lawmaker. So I just want to I want to know your attitude. You said that you're guiding principle, in fact, the only principle, the only criterion, said guiding the overwhelming. I wouldn't say only. Is it an America's interest? Is it an America's interest for Israel to spy on us, including on the president? 00:50:37 Speaker 2: It is an America's interest to be closely allied with Israel because we get huge benefits for it. 00:50:45 Speaker 8: And you want to see the clearest But I just want to stop on the spine for a second, that it takes place, as you know, and including on the President of the United States and several precedents, And I just want to know if that's okay and why is it okay? Wouldn't an American lawmaker say to a client state, you're not allowed to spy on us. I'm sorry, and you know why you want to. I'm not mad at you, but you're not allowed to, sure, And I don't care for it. I don't want to be spot on by you. Is that it's kind of weird not to say that, but you don't seem able to say that, so so blake. 00:51:16 Speaker 1: How for the audience that's listening is for the first time, what is the cultural impact of such an interview like this right now? 00:51:22 Speaker 4: It's it really can set the tone of things, and it's really important. Like I said, it's an interview. It was like over an hour long. It's it's quite long, sustained interview that hits on a lot of topics. But the nature of media these days is the vast majority of people ninety nine percent of people who see anything from this interview will probably see those two clips. They'll see the Masad spying clip, and they'll see the Bible clip that we saw or the population clip, so you like, they'll see a handful of these things. And as we said, we think I think both of us agree Ruse did better in the full interview, but it's a handful of really interested people who are seeing the full interview. And what can really set the cultural zeitgeist is the stuff that goes viral with other people. And that question about population that I got sent by people in other countries, what were they saying? They were just they were just amazed by it. I think the impression if you are coming in very superficially is wow, Like there are people in the US who want to do regime change in Iran or intervention in Iran, and they don't know that much about Iran. And it fits into a script we have because we know the US has gone in without enough information into Iraq, into Libya. We it fits. It fits a mental image that people already have in their head, and that makes it more powerful, I think, And it has a great ability to set the tone for what the debate is right now. 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I'm not sure if I'd ever say the WNBA is hot, Charlie. 00:54:40 Speaker 1: It's very popular. Well I don't. I'm just saying right now, like it's this is the most I've ever seen because now there are two w NBA players. 00:54:49 Speaker 4: People care about w But the reason that it's kicking. 00:54:52 Speaker 7: Off is not because of the basketball. 00:54:54 Speaker 6: It's because of it's because of like the WWF stuff that's going on. 00:54:58 Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, no, w dot, It's it's pure UFC. So Caitlin Clark of course got targeted again. We all know why she's being targeted. It's not a huge mystery. And like a ridiculous flagrant foul, they throw it to the ground. Do we have a clip of the flagrant foul? And then like a couple like like a minute and a half later, a girl that we've never heard of before, Sophie Cunningham, comes out and just like throws the other team to the ground and just like starts a New York Piston style brawl. 00:55:29 Speaker 4: Remember the brawl, Yeah, the mouth at the Palace, I saw them. People might not remember this. 00:55:34 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, the brawl was one of my greatest childhood memories. I was walking into a restaurant called dena Joe's. It was right near my house, and they had these TVs, old TVs and the game was on, and all of a sudden, I was like, oh, the fight's breaking up, and like it was like a fifteen minute brawl. 00:55:52 Speaker 4: I think they had to end the gamer. 00:55:53 Speaker 1: Oh no, they did. And do you remember like it was like Rashid Wallace or somebody that like stormed it was. 00:55:58 Speaker 4: It was run our test. 00:56:00 Speaker 1: Yeah well yeah, later became world Yeah yeah, meta, and he went into the crowd. He went into the crowd and like he was like laying down or something, and then someone threw a water bottle at him. Like Ron Artest just went and fought random civilians at the at the Palace of Auburn Hills. 00:56:17 Speaker 4: The game was called with forty six seconds left in the fourth. 00:56:20 Speaker 1: So anyway, so here's the new Here's uh, Caitlyn Clark with her bodyguard, Sophie Cunningham. The WNBA, these other girls in the league, they are so mad at Katelyn. So here's Katelyn Clark. She's tarking and then they just throw her to the ground after the whistle's blown, like what is that? And so so then Sophie Cunningham says, okay, she just takes down this woman and then look then she just stay. Then she throws a bunch and it's just literally like we're not gonna put up with this. And of course she gets ejected. She got fined four hundred dollars. That's like, I mean, the NFL, they're like a two hundred thousand dollars. Yeah, and so look this is this is Sophie Cunningham. She just goes full run our test on her, like for female basketball, that's like a very violent move. 00:57:07 Speaker 4: And so she's gone les basketball. 00:57:09 Speaker 1: That's she's gone like super viral now, Sophie Cunningham. I mean, look, I'll be honest, like Caitlin Clark is growing on me because we know why this is happening obviously. I mean they're mad that like a midwestern white girl who's very wholesome and is straight and has a boyfriend has become like the face of the WNBA, and like nobody cared before. But now there's two faces of the WNBA. Let's put up the picture here in the thought crime chat of Caitlin Clark and her bodyguard Sophie Cunningham. There it is so tyler. People are talking about the w NBA. It's it's going up like a rocket ship. 00:57:44 Speaker 3: Charlie. It all happens in Indiana. You've got the Pacers now going to crazy seven. You had the Ron Art Test, Malice in the Palace. You have Sophie Cunningham, who used to play for the Mercury. I just the only thing I regretting, I wish this was the actual Mercury so we had a reason and to go to Mercury games because it is so impossible to watch w NBA games with the amount of lesbian vibes that are in there. But this may be the straightest thing to ever happen in a w NBA game. We may have now a reason to go watch the w NBA. And I actually think they should insert new rules. 00:58:22 Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, we're not. This may be straighter than Lord of the Rings. 00:58:27 Speaker 3: This may be. 00:58:29 Speaker 4: Charlie Indiana fever at Phoenix Mercury July thirtieth. This may be that may be straight night. 00:58:37 Speaker 3: That might be straight night for for Phoenix fans is to show up support you know, you know, females fighting, you know on the court. They should make this a rule, they shall allow fighting like the NHL. I think this would increase sales immediately. 00:58:54 Speaker 7: I don't know. 00:58:55 Speaker 4: Oh wait, hold on, that one's in Indiana. No August seventh, Thursday, August seventh, ten p Eastern Indiana Fever at Phoenix Mercury. 00:59:03 Speaker 3: Wait wait, do you think we should make that turning point night at at at the at the p HX stadiums. 00:59:11 Speaker 1: We have to have like we have to like a protect Caitlin like sign Charlie. 00:59:16 Speaker 6: That they want you know that they finally found a way to get people interested. 00:59:22 Speaker 7: So there's people like at at like actually w you know, w w F style back. 00:59:26 Speaker 6: There saying oh yeah, yeah yeah, like kind of goating this this type of of stuff on we we should have n. 00:59:33 Speaker 3: I L for straight white females in the w n B A, because that's the only way you're gonna get men interesting. We could you could actually triple their salary just with like N I L you know, for for straight white females that are in the w n B A. Overnight, they could be the most predominant uh you know player within the n B A w n B A. And that's that's saying something for where we're at. So I'm advocating for it. Conservatives just start funding uh you know, patches and things like that on w NBA jerseys. It could be incredible, I think. 01:00:14 Speaker 1: I mean, look, the tickets would be like three dollars a piece, Blake, we could do a thought crime episode live from the w NBA. 01:00:19 Speaker 4: We could just like probably take a large portion of the stadium because I can't would these games sell out? I don't think. 01:00:26 Speaker 7: Maybe when Blake. 01:00:28 Speaker 3: No, no, if we showed up, we would we would almost double the amount of people who go to do by. 01:00:32 Speaker 1: The way, we would come up with protect Caitlin shirts. Okay, Stan, big signs that say protect Caitlin. I mean, look, we know why she's being targeted obviously, Okay. And so fever games do sell out regularly, they say, but I don't know in but like people are But do you understand how mad the home teams get because like these away games are super popular because everyone wants to just come see Kitlin Clark, like. 01:00:56 Speaker 4: We've been doing this for tech. 01:00:57 Speaker 1: No one cares about you actually, So it's pretty amazing. 01:01:01 Speaker 4: You wonder how many people in Phoenix, like learned that we have a WNBA team because like Caitlin Clark came to play. 01:01:08 Speaker 1: I didn't know we had a w NBA team. It's called the Mercury, Phoenix Mercury. Yeah, it's pretty amazing. 01:01:13 Speaker 4: There's some I think the Miami team is the Sun, which obviously is for all the names last week. 01:01:18 Speaker 7: Yeah. 01:01:19 Speaker 3: Yeah, the Mercury games have been so poorly attended forever and if you show up there as a male, you you get spit on. They just don't they don't like it. They don't like when men show up. There's a lot of women who look like men who show up. There's not a lot of not a lot of actual. 01:01:37 Speaker 1: Men telling you we would make big news. I'm just telling you right now, we would make very big news. 01:01:42 Speaker 3: I think we should do it. 01:01:43 Speaker 7: I think this would be incredible. 01:01:47 Speaker 4: The WA the Atlanta Dream one of the WNBA teams. They play in a stadium with a capacity of thirty two hundred people. 01:01:55 Speaker 1: Yep, there's I mean a lot of people like are now pushing for Caitlin Clark to leave the WNA because like they're trying to basically push her out, is what they're trying to do. 01:02:04 Speaker 4: Do they have the conceit that she could play in the regular NBA? That would be pretty funny. 01:02:08 Speaker 1: I don't know where she would go, but I mean, nor do I think she should. I mean she's great. I mean she's honestly, like I respect that. Like everyone's targeting her and I mean she did say that stupid thing about like white privilege or whatever. But I mean she's a she's a norm adjusting like tables. I know that's like table stakes, but like, I mean, they're really going after her, and now hey, more women are rising up. So this is four thirty seven. This is the full beef. Uh, this is that's that's the that's the bodyguard. Let's go to four thirty seven. Uh this is oh yeah, this is Sophie Cunningham just. 01:02:46 Speaker 4: Body selling this. 01:02:49 Speaker 1: Starting a fight. It always like it makes me laugh a loud when women fight. They really don't know how to fight. It's a lot of hair pulling. 01:02:59 Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a reason for that. 01:03:02 Speaker 3: Armed, a lot of arms, teeth and fingernails, there's a lot of. 01:03:08 Speaker 6: It's like a whirlwindin gets into what we were saying before about about about just war theory. 01:03:16 Speaker 1: She's completely remaking uh, women's basketball as we know, it's pretty amazing. All right, last thought there's there's Sophie cunning him and now by why we they're gonna go after her too because she's getting like women can't stand the attention thing. It's gonna drive them crazy. So all right, final thoughts guys like, oh. 01:03:34 Speaker 4: Man, I kind of want to see Charlie go to a w nb A game. I want to see Charlie get really into it, Like he goes like he's initially going just to do the support Caitlin thing, and then he kind of he starts watching the game and like the wheels start turning. He gets into the strategy of it. And then my daughter like we'll start we'll start coming into the office and be like, Charlie, we've got like breaking news the president is bombing or and he'll be shut up, shut up, and he'll be on his phone and he'll he'll be watching a stream not not even of the fever. He'll be watching like a dumpster game between like the two worst teams. 01:04:08 Speaker 1: In the league. 01:04:08 Speaker 4: They're out of the playoffs, but he's just he's riveted to it. He'll start babbling to us about the stats of these players, and he'll be like this rebounder who plays for the Miami Son that she's she's better than like Dennis Rodman, and like he's watching the Women's Basketball World Copper or whatever they have. 01:04:28 Speaker 7: I want. 01:04:28 Speaker 4: I think we could see Charlie like he could go full the madness, could consume him. 01:04:33 Speaker 1: I think so. So, Tyler, this is a good idea. So I'm gonna go to We're gonna go w NBA game together. I'm gonna wear the Caitlyn Clark jersey with the Maga hat. 01:04:42 Speaker 3: Yep. And then we're gonna hand out let Sophie fight shirts. We're gonna shoot that. We actually have at turning point, we actually have big T shirt guns. What we should do is we should bring the big we have the big rotary thing, you know what I'm talking about, Charlie, that's just sitting in the warehouse. We should shoot those off. I bet we could sneak it in. Yeah, we'll sneak it in. We'll pretend like we're we'll have We'll hire two very short haircut women. Uh, just roll it in through the back door. 01:05:13 Speaker 1: You'll never see so many super rus than at a w NBA game. Jack final thoughts. 01:05:19 Speaker 6: Sorry he got me on the super My dad has a super ru and we're constantly blowing him up about it. 01:05:27 Speaker 7: Uh no, no, this is this is great. And I know it gets into you know, Charlie, you had you had a whole thing this. 01:05:33 Speaker 6: Week about going to college for your mrs and and I think all of this and even the fighting and the rest of it gets into this question about gender roles in our society and what we're what we're pushing people towards. 01:05:44 Speaker 1: Very good God, bless you guys till next week. Keep committing thought crimes. Trust President Trump. He's doing a great job. See you guys next week. Thanks so much for listening. Everybody, email us is always freedom at charliekirk dot com. Thanks so much for listening, and God 01:05:56 Speaker 4: Bless For more on many of these stories, the news you can trust, go to Charliekirk dot com.