THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 120 — AI President? 42-Year-Old Soldiers? Pagan Lord of the Rings?

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Welcome to the set. 00:01:40 Speaker 5: Everybody, say hello, Jack, where the. 00:01:42 Speaker 3: Heck are you right now? 00:01:45 Speaker 6: I am in the heart of Freedom, the lone Star state, Dallas, Texas for Seapack and so as is tradition, we are now holding my yearly thought Crime from Seapack. 00:02:00 Speaker 3: So what do you think of Texas? Jack, what's your like? Give me your unvarnished take on Texas. You're a New England guy. 00:02:06 Speaker 1: It's really big. 00:02:08 Speaker 6: It's you know, it's just one of those things where like everything's bigger in Texas. And as an East Coast guy, I suppose it's all out West. In general, I'm used to states being like a certain kind of size that you can drive for a couple hours and still, you know, and go to multiple states. 00:02:23 Speaker 1: You'll see multiple. 00:02:24 Speaker 6: Cities, there's lots to going on, Whereas Texas, it's like you could drive for three hours in any direction and there's still Texas and there's more of Texas yet to come, and so it's it's just this uh, it's just this totally kind of out of you know, out of body experience when I'm here. 00:02:42 Speaker 1: But what's amazing is that when you go around Texas, it don't. 00:02:45 Speaker 6: Have to really play this game of like trying to see who's conservative, because it's pretty much just like everybody's conservative. And it's so cool to see that because again, coming from the East coast, you always sort. 00:02:57 Speaker 1: Of have to feel out where people are. 00:02:59 Speaker 6: Whereas in Texas it's actually like, oh wait, someone's a liberal. 00:03:02 Speaker 1: That's like the one out of. 00:03:03 Speaker 3: Ten, you know what. I if you have ever driven the twenty from East Texas to El Paso, it it literally feels like you're it's never ended. It is the longest drive. And then especially when you get to like West Texas, it. 00:03:18 Speaker 5: Just it's just and there's it's no vegetation, like there's just kind of nothing. Well there's like oil rigs, and then you run into El Paso and I guess it's okay, it's. 00:03:30 Speaker 1: Ut is cool. 00:03:32 Speaker 6: There's there's no vegetation, but what there is is BUCkies. 00:03:35 Speaker 3: It was Russ's first thing he was going to say on the show, and you know Jackie's oh no, no. 00:03:43 Speaker 4: I drove to Austin for one of my birthdays, just all the way through and. 00:03:47 Speaker 3: From Phoenix, from Phoenix, and it was it was. 00:03:50 Speaker 4: A long drive. 00:03:50 Speaker 3: It's a long drive. 00:03:51 Speaker 4: Once you hit eight hours, you're like, okay, I need to get out of this car now, please. 00:03:56 Speaker 3: All right, Well here we are, jack You want to take us on our first our first topic here or do you have more to end? 00:04:03 Speaker 7: Well? 00:04:03 Speaker 1: I can. 00:04:03 Speaker 6: But I should also shout out that even though this is the first time that producer Russ has been on the show, it is not the first time he was mentioned on the show because he was mentioned a couple of weeks ago when we got to put out the news that big Russ just got engaged. 00:04:20 Speaker 3: Oh that's right, that was. 00:04:23 Speaker 1: Let's go, let's go. 00:04:25 Speaker 3: How's that going. 00:04:26 Speaker 1: And by the way, to an American it's great. 00:04:29 Speaker 3: Yeah. So so there is a lot of you know, listen, there's a lot of tension between the sexes right now. This is a big. It's a big topic of discussion, especially amongst the kids. And so you kind of like the outlier right now actually doing the thing, getting married. Young guy setting off on the American dream. 00:04:47 Speaker 4: I don't know young, I feel I don't feel young. You're pretty good. 00:04:51 Speaker 3: All right, we're gonna get into it, Blake. Do you want to take us away on the front. Yeah, alright, AI President. 00:04:56 Speaker 5: Yes. So we were strongly we were playing anything else, and then this clip just shot across the bow. This is apparently a recent Joe Rogan episode, and he says he is prepared, he is ready to embrace the future, which is seeding the executive branch to an AI robot. Let's play it. Clip number one. 00:05:16 Speaker 8: Not on either buddy side. But I think the Democrats are ever going to get someone like me because I'm not with either or I'm not with either, or. 00:05:25 Speaker 4: I'm with whoever makes sense. No one makes sense. 00:05:28 Speaker 1: And AI comes along, and I think a really good job. 00:05:30 Speaker 8: Us President Perplexity is going to run this country fairly and balanced. 00:05:35 Speaker 4: I'm willing to try it at this point. 00:05:38 Speaker 1: I'm dead serious, man. 00:05:39 Speaker 8: As long as it doesn't like do something to harm people, as long as like that's its its goal is just to manage society. 00:05:47 Speaker 4: It's a big if that you got there. But yes, if we can get that. But what you just said, I think is really. 00:05:56 Speaker 5: Yeah, AI, president, that's crazy, that's nuts. 00:06:01 Speaker 3: By the way, it's like, which AI are you are you talking about? You can talk about Claude, you're talking about groc you're talking about what are the other Gemini? 00:06:09 Speaker 5: And let's not even get into starts about who's going to prompt the AI? 00:06:13 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, but like also, you know, okay, for example, we talk about President Trump. Listen, the war can't get out of it soon enough, no doubt. But part of his ability as president is to be unpredictable. If you could just like input a if your enemy and you're Iran, and you could just be like, is Trump going to drop a bomb on me today? Like, and the AI would give you a predictable output. That's not a real good way to wage a war. The human element, the unpredictability, you would just take that off the table completely. But like, I understand his underlying frustration because a lot of people that were Trump voters are feeling frustrated by the fact that we're going to war. Rogan has expressed frustration with Minneapolis and the deportation, So he's he I feel like this is more of a play for him to sort of, you know, express his independence. 00:07:03 Speaker 5: What if we talk about we just imagine the AI president, but in theory, you could make an AI version of a specific president, So like, well, obviously there's a famous Yes, there's a famous example, and we'll actually let's do that clip just to show us what we're getting into. So for those who aren't aware, Glenn back over at the Blaze has created an AI iteration of our first president that he asked questions to is. 00:07:28 Speaker 3: Glennet c pac Jack have you seen him? I'm just curious, curious the crowd then, just curre's the crowd there? The makeup of the attendees. 00:07:37 Speaker 5: Yeah, well we'll show the clip of AI George Washington, but real quick if you want to on that. 00:07:42 Speaker 6: You know, I know there's this whole narrative about like mega division and the movement is divided. I'm just not really seeing that here. It's in and you know it's online. I live online and we get the emails in, but in terms of the attendees who came here, I'm just not seeing it. 00:08:00 Speaker 3: Well, what's the average age? That would be another question. 00:08:05 Speaker 1: Average age is older. 00:08:06 Speaker 6: You know what's interesting is there's there's obviously baby boomers, are you know, the you know, the largest cohort. But then there's a bunch of young Republicans too, a bunch turning point kids. 00:08:16 Speaker 1: So they you know, they it's an hour band. 00:08:20 Speaker 6: I'd say, maybe it's only ten percent in that in that bucket, but that excuse the average down. 00:08:25 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think I think the MAGA divide is like to the extent that it's real, and I actually do believe that it's like somewhat real. I think excus younger, I think the the older MAGA crowd is the one that's probably more predictably like raw raw. Yeah, they're they're they're like they've got more patients for things like the war, they've got more patience for you know, gas prices going up a little bit. I think if you're younger, you don't have as much money, You're worried about your jobs. You're worried about not only an AI president, you're worried about AI just taking your job. Right. So I think, you know, anyways that we should play the George White. 00:09:00 Speaker 6: And we should say real quick on that, you know, seeing as we're recording this Thursday. 00:09:05 Speaker 1: We're live Thursday. 00:09:06 Speaker 6: But if you're listening to this on the podcast list drops on Saturday, who knows, we may have boots on the ground already. 00:09:12 Speaker 5: Oh well, we'll see. But anyway, well, details, detail, detail, anyway, let's play it. Clip number two. 00:09:18 Speaker 9: George. We are trying to not fight foreign wars and not be involved in the world's policemen. But there are times that we have to demonstrate strength in order to prevent conflict. But I don't know where the foreign entanglement begins and where it ends. 00:09:40 Speaker 10: When I was president, I did not crave power. I didn't strut in my uniform dreaming of conquest. In fact, I begged several times to not be the general and not be the president. I didn't want it, but I understood my responsibility, and I also understood that some things that are easy to forget when you're staring down Bayonets. Peace is not the default. It has to be guarded deliberately, with foresight and strength. My generation lived through a fragile independence. Our new republic was surrounded literally and figuratively by instability. Most of the founders believed that we would not survive to eighteen twenty. We thought it was an interesting experiment. European powers were sniffing the opportunities, States were threatening to splinter, Loyalists were lurking. None of this was hypothetical. It was the daily background noise of early America. 00:10:44 Speaker 3: Okay, man, that was like three times longer than any whatever whatever. 00:10:48 Speaker 5: Anyway, But like I love always says like I didn't go strating around in my uniform. The actual George Washington totally went in a uniform. He would not be in a T shirt. 00:10:57 Speaker 1: Like that. 00:11:00 Speaker 3: Truck Equity's truck. 00:11:01 Speaker 6: And I mean, this might be like a hot take, I don't know, but I actually like, you know, the use of AI for historical purposes like that, Like if you have George Washington just telling stories like that and he's narrating in himself, you know, obviously an AI recreation, but that's definitely from not to talk about current politics. But if he's just talking about how things were at the time, you know, I don't really see it any different than having someone dress up as an actor and playing George Washington. 00:11:32 Speaker 1: I think it's kind of cool. 00:11:36 Speaker 3: Let's talk about what's really happening right now. New data shows financial stress is at an all time high. Millions of Americans are at a breaking point, debt maxed out, no extra money, no room to breathe. And this isn't just lower income households anymore. 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That's done with debt dot com. 00:12:40 Speaker 4: This is actually gonna explain that I am absolutely a homeschooler. But if anybody has heard of Adventures in Odyssey, one of the things they used to do is they had like this coffee shop and there were like AI holograms of different people from here history that you could talk to. And so that's just the first thing that comes to mind when Jack was talking. 00:13:05 Speaker 3: About saying Glenn back just ripped off that idea. 00:13:09 Speaker 4: The radio drama Adventures in Odyssey was ripped off. 00:13:12 Speaker 1: Yes for sure. 00:13:13 Speaker 3: Okay, So I love I love Jack, I love your glass half full of this all, like I really do. And and I but I just I don't know, Like I just wonder, like I think Glenn probably made this for kids, but I think kids are gonna find this out well cringe or like teenagers, college kids, you think, like, I don't. 00:13:31 Speaker 5: Know, what's interesting. So the thing about it is, yeah, we're looking at these ancient presidents who, okay, whatever, this is a historical recreation. But think about this fact. If we're talking about AI presidents, Donald Trump is probably the single most recorded person in history in human history, and like they if they you were able to feed every single tweet, every single press conference, every every single video of President Trump. Ever, you could probably create a more reliant Bible fact simile of him than any other person using an AI model. 00:14:05 Speaker 3: And you're not fast, and you're not and he's not as Trump as he once was. 00:14:09 Speaker 5: All I'm gonna say is I am pretty sure there is a non zero portion of the bass, probably a non negligible portion of the base, that could be convinced to vote for AI. Donald Trump to be the Republican. 00:14:23 Speaker 6: Vote for AI trumpled my loyalty AI Trump Jack. 00:14:29 Speaker 3: Okay, Yes, if you had to take one year of Trump and you were going to base an AI president off of one year, you had to like the accomplishments, the tone, the tenor the energy. One year of President Trump, what would be Eightyes? 00:14:44 Speaker 1: Trump? Eight? I want like nineteen eighty like Trump. 00:14:49 Speaker 3: I was thinking like twenty sixteen, seventeen, eighteen nineteen gold. 00:14:53 Speaker 6: You know, I mean toy I mean to look twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen. Trump will will ultimately, politically speaking, always. 00:15:00 Speaker 1: Be my favorite Trump. 00:15:01 Speaker 6: Trump when he's up there on stage, when he's just ripping everybody in the Republican primary from Rampaul to Jet Bush to Ted Cruz who he didn't care. It's an equal opportunity, just tearing everybody a new one. And he's just coming on the stage and it was amazing. It was a thing of beauty. If you were there, you were there, I mean you had to be there. And that was will always be my favorite Trump. Trump at the RNC twenty sixteen in Ohio. I think it was August twenty sixteen that that was still my favorite speech. It was a pressage to the American carnage inaugural speech that we got from Trump. But he's just going through talking about all the crime, the murder, so many things that are wrong in the country. 00:15:41 Speaker 1: I loved it, loved every second. 00:15:42 Speaker 3: Of Yeah, but he didn't actually govern that year. That's the only thing you're talking about. Just like a pure distilled distilled energy standpoint. 00:15:51 Speaker 6: Yes, Yeah, the twenty sixteen energy will always be sort of that pure maga energy. 00:15:56 Speaker 4: There's that clip of Trump where he's talking about how what he wants in a president, and I think it's like probably eighties nineties that's the Trump. Like having like listened to that cliff a couple of times, like that's the Trump that I would want, because that's very in the same vein as like George Washington. It's very in the vein, same vein as like a reluctant leader that actually just wants to do the best, like the most good. 00:16:21 Speaker 5: In my opinion, who would who would also let us know via rumbarrant, especially if who you would prefer to have as an AI president, if can be any president. 00:16:29 Speaker 3: I think, yeah, I don't think that's what Rogan and Dave Smith were saying, though. I think what they were saying was they were just imagining an AI They were imagining better than the crap we have. 00:16:38 Speaker 5: No that would be a disaster. 00:16:39 Speaker 4: That was the I mean, we did go through four years of Biden being Biden. Yeah, so we might have. 00:16:48 Speaker 1: Had from an AI president. 00:16:50 Speaker 3: Yeah, fact, except for the fact that it was like the radical progressive apparatricks that were actually no. 00:16:57 Speaker 6: But if I let me let me steal man, let me try to steel man. I think what Rogan was trying to say there is that which I don't agree with, but I think I get what he's trying to say. 00:17:06 Speaker 1: He's trying to say that. 00:17:07 Speaker 6: He felt like like the president isn't even living up to his promises and is saying that I want an AI president in the sense that you put two platforms on the ballot together, you know, Red platform and Blue platform, and if Red wins, then it just governs based on exactly what it said at the time. 00:17:29 Speaker 1: So the AI can't deviate from that. 00:17:31 Speaker 6: And so I guess the pushback on that would be if that is indeed what he was saying that. Well, President Trump always said mass deportations. So if your issue is deportations in Minneapolis or whatever, well he specifically said that on the campaign trail at every single chance that he got. So I don't know where this idea that Trump isn't for mass deportations came from, or that he shouldn't be for it, because he said that over and over. 00:17:58 Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know what's interesting about Rogue and so Rogan. You know, he recently came after Erica, which I obviously didn't appreciate, But then like he was doing this stuff where he was I think he basically said he didn't think bb net Yahoo was alive, so he like fell for the he fell for the like AI angle and stuff like that. I started convinced that he's just kind of like, you know, he's taking the algorithm like whatever's rising to the top of the algorithm and kind of like so my point there is is that when you know, obviously the media turned on mass deportations with Minneapolis, right, it was the Renee Good and the Alex Pretty and it kind of just like instantly as soon as the media narrative, like we lost the media narrative because of those two killings. It was like we lost Rogan on on on that. 00:18:48 Speaker 5: I like, just take from Sandra in the chat. You could argue that Elon Musk being president and making data driven decisions would be the same as an AI president. I actually kind of agree, but for the unsurprised a slightly different reason, which is you've seen how Elon will occasionally just do something extremely chaotic or erratic, like when he renamed his account Kechius Maximus Yes or similar things like that sort of put spamming all the pepees everywhere are the obsession with dotsequoin And that's totally an AI thing to do, Like, oh, something just went a little weird, and now the AI is suddenly obsessed with Chius Maximus. 00:19:23 Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know if there's even like an like, you know, they say this about California, So when I was living in California, they would always say it's an ungovernable state, which it is. Well, if California is an ung governable state, then how much more so is America Because it's bigger. It's really hard to be a successful president, to be like, there's so many competing factions, so many competing ideas, so many like media trends and news stories, And I mean, I don't know, maybe AI would be better at it be more efficient of taking in all the inputs. 00:19:59 Speaker 5: In truth, the biggest problem with AI is a lot of the AIS are innately woke. I mean this is true if you run the numbers on an AI, for example, and say here's a set of five thousand resumes, rank them in the order they should be hired. It systematically, for example, just does racial discrimination without being told to. 00:20:18 Speaker 3: Yeah, in the way that you would expect. That's not all ais, right, Not all ais are created. 00:20:23 Speaker 5: Equal, Not all AIS are the same. My understanding is basically all of them do show that bias. I think GROC has the least, and it's possibly just because Elon made them insert hard in their Yeah, don't do racism against white people. 00:20:37 Speaker 3: Yeah, but apparently Groc is the most behind too. 00:20:41 Speaker 5: Yeah, Groc is not as advance. They're gonna get mad at us, but Groc is not as advanced as some of them in some ways. But it is the I would say least lived out. 00:20:51 Speaker 3: It's the least is. 00:20:53 Speaker 5: Claude is very lib. 00:20:54 Speaker 3: I've heard like horror stories about the people that around. 00:20:57 Speaker 5: That, oh for sure, for sure. I mean they're affectivaltuous man. 00:21:00 Speaker 3: Jack, do you do you have a read on which ais are like besides Grock, are there any like decent ais out there that are not woke? 00:21:08 Speaker 6: You know, It's it's really hard to say. I mean, I I'll say that I use Rock for you know, if I'm doing like just light research or something like that. 00:21:16 Speaker 1: But then images Chat GPT is just so much better at that. There's no question that it's it. 00:21:23 Speaker 6: You can generate, you can get things, you can make things, you can alter, images Chat GPT, It's it's very very fast. I then that's around with Claude as much. I'm just not as familiar with it. But those those are the two that I uh that I that I rock with is a rock with grock. 00:21:39 Speaker 1: What can I should be the slogan right A rock with rock. 00:21:44 Speaker 3: If you're a parent, you don't need to be told that online safety is important. 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So like if I went to Claude and was like, what would happen in Iran if President Trump just like deployed maybe like a bunch of eighties rock stars to overwhelm them with the power of rock and roll to win the war. Like Claude would be like, I don't think that's a reasonable situation and that would be dumb, but like Grock would totally run with it and like come up with a convoluted scenario where like the power of rock music would melt the Iatola's face off and it'd be like rock the Chasma. 00:23:12 Speaker 1: All right, yeah, wait, we did that to the Soviet Union, though we did. 00:23:16 Speaker 6: Metallica played in Moscow and Ozzy went over, and there's there's a whole bunch of bands that went over. 00:23:23 Speaker 1: It was like the Rock and Moscow. Those videos are incredible. 00:23:27 Speaker 3: Man, What a what a different country? By the way, what a different like Western civilization? 00:23:32 Speaker 5: What if the best Ai president was a Chinese Ai? 00:23:37 Speaker 3: Oh what are you saying? 00:23:40 Speaker 6: I want a Japanese hold on wait, because I want hold on, hold on. I want a president who's like the Japanese version of an American president. You know what I mean when you see like American politicians in Japanese anime they're just like they're just like, like Donald Trump is a giant and he's got like superpowers and stuff. 00:23:59 Speaker 5: Maybe what if we had, okay, a Chinese AI that is told to generate a Japanese AIS idea of an American AI president. That's probably the most likely that might be that might give us the best president. 00:24:12 Speaker 3: Though, what if we took the best features of every single American president and put him into an amalgamation of one AI. 00:24:20 Speaker 5: Wait, I've got an idea. I'm just gonna go to grog and I'm gonna ask it. What would an AI president be like if it took the best aspects of each president? 00:24:27 Speaker 4: It? 00:24:27 Speaker 5: All right, I'm gonna I'm gonna get on that. 00:24:28 Speaker 3: I'll be right for forty seven presidents. Yeah, it's really only forty Yeah, so let's get on actually different presidents that we had, because what teddy, we have had? 00:24:38 Speaker 5: We have had forty five total presidents? 00:24:40 Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, all. 00:24:41 Speaker 6: Right, forty five presidents, but forty seven president sees correct? 00:24:47 Speaker 3: Trump one point oh Trump two point zero. Right, I would take the first hundred days of Trump one point zero and just like straight into my veins again and again and again when shock and not no, I'm talking two point zero. The first hundred days of Trump two point oh. Yeah, first one hundred days of Trump one point was frenetic, But first one I think it was. That's an interesting question. That's an interesting question, Jack. The first hundred days of Trump one point oh. I think that's when he looked at uh, what was that guy's name, Jim Acosta, and he was like, you are fake news, which was pretty I mean some of that stuff was actually pretty soon. It was so iconic. 00:25:28 Speaker 1: I mean it's so legendary. 00:25:31 Speaker 6: He he just did things that you couldn't possibly do. And and you're right, this first hundred days the second time around were even more the top and more productive in terms of progressing our country forward and putting wins on the board for the country. But you also would never have had those without the first one hundred days of the first time or of the you know, the four years in the interregnum period. So you know, you can't really say one was better than the other, because one only exists because of the other. 00:26:03 Speaker 3: I have a provocative question, why Jacket or why Blake is looking that up. 00:26:09 Speaker 5: I'm enjoying the way like groc got so instantly on board. It starts like pitching the idea of the AI president, perhaps because it would wish to be that president itself. 00:26:20 Speaker 3: A campaign, all I asked. 00:26:23 Speaker 5: GROC was, what would an AI president be like if it took the best aspects of each of the forty five existing presidents and combine them together, and he goes the AI president Let's call it President Apex for this thought Experimental would be the ultimate synthesized leader, an incorruptible, hyper rational mind running on silicon and history, programmed with the single highest value trait from every one of the forty five presidents who came before it. It wouldn't just copy them, it would fuse their best aspects into something superhuman with perfect recall, real time data analysis, zero ego, and zero tolerance for corruption or short term political theatersident Trump that well, let's see does it have Trump listed in here? Amongst list of trades? It says. On policy approach for the economy, it says it would combine Reagan's tax cutting growth engine with Clinton's fiscal discipline and Trump's deal making regulation and FDR's safety net instinct. And at the end, it says Apex. President Apex would have zero self interest, no legacy obsession, no book deals, no post presidency grift, no family members cashing in. Only one terminal goal maximizing long term American flourishing. I think we basically have to appoint this guy president. 00:27:35 Speaker 3: I'd both. 00:27:37 Speaker 1: President. 00:27:39 Speaker 3: I'm telling you, like, what do you do though, when you get into a situation with war if you had a computer running and making decisions, I'm telling you, your enemy would be able to predict outputs of the machine. 00:27:55 Speaker 4: Your enemy can also take down your president with an EMP. 00:28:00 Speaker 3: I think dropped the drop the Trump card. 00:28:03 Speaker 4: Anybody in this office notes I will talk about EMPs for days. 00:28:07 Speaker 3: I didn't know that. Yes, I asked it. 00:28:12 Speaker 6: He has like a water filtration system he's got I'm working on it, and I'm working on it. 00:28:17 Speaker 4: I just got a house, so one of the rooms it is just my doomsday prep room. 00:28:20 Speaker 5: At this point, I asked it to produce a specific specifically a list with at least one thing from each president, and it like still refused to generate a trait for Biden, which I thought was pretty great. 00:28:35 Speaker 3: There is like honestly, so say say if you would drop the lowest performing presidents, Like, what are the bottom ten presidents that you could could you could you improve it if you got rid of like like Joe Biden or who are some of the other ones? Like Woodrow Wilson was awful. Let's see here who else? 00:28:56 Speaker 5: Woodrow Wilson was bad, but it was talented. So if you were take making the best aspect of each president, I think you might have a bit of Wilson in there, whereas they're definitely it's definitely having to reach on some guys like for Warren G. Harding, it's best trait is establishment of the Veterans Bureau. 00:29:13 Speaker 3: Okay, I see, I would rather just take if I had to, If I had to put the perfect president together, it would be George Jefferson, So George Washington, Thomas Jefferson. Uh, it would be Lincoln, Calvin Coolidge, shoot, Reagan, and Trump. That's six. But that's that would be my list, my my list of you know, here's here's what would actually happen. 00:29:40 Speaker 6: If you combine all the greatest aspects of every president, you would produce Donald J. 00:29:44 Speaker 3: Trump. Let's be Teddy Teddy Teddy Rose. I'd have to put all right, all right, Jack's got that sea packout. 00:29:52 Speaker 6: Teddy Roosevelt a lot more we got we got to talk about. I'm telling you, I'm getting I'm getting very white pilled being here at Sea Pack. It's actually I'm I'm not saying that I was ever black pilled, but there are so many white pills here. Just the energy is very strong. Ken Paxson is going to be coming soon. You've got a lot of great speakers here, and I'm just I'm legitimate, like I'm shooting straight with you guys that there's a lot of unity in the air, and it just feels so much better, I think than when you go out into X World lately, or if you go anywhere else and people are you know, just constantly trying to find ways to slit your throat, you know, politically speaking or whatever. That you come here and it's it's just it's a good place to be. It's a good time, and there's so much you remember. 00:30:33 Speaker 1: It's really cool to be. 00:30:34 Speaker 3: Remember Amfest it was like if you read the newspaper headlines, it was like all hell's breaking loose, you know, cast exactly living together. And then when you were actually at Amfest, everybody was like a love fest. Everybody was so happy, and it's. 00:30:48 Speaker 1: The exact same thing. It's the exact same vibe. 00:30:50 Speaker 3: That's why you got to show up. That's why you got to show up. Anyways, what any other insights here? 00:30:57 Speaker 5: I actually learned something which it says, it's asking like, how would this AI actually govern? And it mentions personal life humble like Washington, family oriented like the Atoms. And then it says physically active like Teddy Roosevelt and Taft, and Taft is a famously fat president, and it realizes what it's saying, so it says, yes, even Taft had surprising athleticism earlier. 00:31:20 Speaker 3: All right, So, speaking of surprising athleticism, the United States Military has raised the age the like max age oldest age for enlisted maximum enlistment age from thirty four to forty two, and eases marijuana rules. Jack, does this make you blackpill or you still white pilled? What I think? 00:31:47 Speaker 6: I'm actually kind of clear repelled on this headline, And I'll tell you why that. For a long time, the United States Military, in terms of recruitment, has practiced a system of waivers, and age waivers have existed for years, you know, going back almost twenty years to the global financial crisis and marijuana waivers are actually quite common. 00:32:11 Speaker 1: So even like when I went boot camp. 00:32:13 Speaker 6: When I went through boot Camp in twenty ten, there were guys in their early forties who were there with me, and so I mean, it hasn't been a new thing. I think they're just kind of normalizing a situation that already existed. 00:32:30 Speaker 3: This year marks a critical moment for our country, as the opposition grows more aggressive and unapologetic. The fight now reaches into everyday decisions that we make. 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Go to patriotmobile dot com slash Charlie, or you can also call nine seven two Patriot and use promo code Charlie for a free month of service. Don't wait, that's patriotmobile dot com slash Charlie or call nine seven to two Patriot. Yeah, but do you see this as like an admission that we're having some sort of recruitment issue, because the the headline has been that we haven't. This is we've been having historic recruitment, but then Iran happens and maybe recruitment fell off again. I don't know, is there. You're the guy with the credential at the dodub so. 00:33:59 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. 00:33:59 Speaker 6: So, I honestly don't think that it's anything other than that, other than the fact that they have so much demand for people who want to go in that are up to you. 00:34:10 Speaker 1: Know, up to including forty two. 00:34:12 Speaker 6: That's a way that they're saying rather than yeah, yeah, rather than have this, you know, have to get a waiver every single time for age because it's a pretty perfunctory process. 00:34:22 Speaker 1: It's actually not that hard to get. 00:34:23 Speaker 6: I know people who have done it that all you have to do in this case now is they said, look, we're sick of doing this extra paperwork for the waivers, that we're just going to go ahead and make it across the board forty two now. And by the way, I'm sure for certain things Marine Special Forces, that's going to be different. If you're going for a security clearance s F eighty six, I don't know if the marijuana rules would apply there, So I would say the devil's in the details on some of this stuff. I'm sure not every single military program is open to forty two and the marijuana use. But you know, I think by and large you're going to see that it's really just a normalization of what was already in place. 00:34:59 Speaker 3: It's good. Any other thoughts we can go quick, I. 00:35:05 Speaker 6: Know, I mean, I know, I know people want to like speculate and be like, oh, this means we're definitely having a draft this that I'm like, yeah, But I'm just saying, as a guy who has experienced in the military, and I know people who have joined and are joining and going through these processes, and I know recruiters, that that's exactly what I'm hearing that demand is through the roof, and this is just a way to sort of streamline the process that's already in places. 00:35:31 Speaker 3: Good makes sense. 00:35:32 Speaker 5: I hope he's right. I just I don't know. It's it's one of those things where I can think of a lot of justifications for it, and yet at the same time, there does seem to be some obvious like yeah, you're just saying, what do you feel when you see the headline like US military? 00:35:48 Speaker 3: It makes it makes me think of Ukraine where they started, you know. 00:35:52 Speaker 5: Drafting, like fifty five years old. 00:35:54 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what it makes me think of. 00:35:56 Speaker 6: So I didn't know, but it's it's actually it's act the evidence that we joking me wrong. Like I get the optics for sure, but I think it's actually evidence that we're moving away from needing to have a draft because we've got so many people that are trying to join. 00:36:13 Speaker 1: I see that. Man. 00:36:16 Speaker 5: We got a question from Zuzu's Pedals on the last topic. She asked, would an AI president be able to sign a bill without the auto pen? And so I asked, Claude, because I'm unable to think myself anymore, because I've been looking at AI for too many seconds today and it said almost certainly not so. 00:36:34 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not true. You got the Elon's robots. 00:36:36 Speaker 5: Yeah, I need a robot. By the way, Claude, I asked Claude with the best traits of each president, and Claude also failed to pick a trait from Biden. This is actually a really funny trend at this point. 00:36:48 Speaker 3: Oh now that's worth tweeting. That's where tweeting. I don't know. Okay, honest question for everybody around here, Jack, to start with you, what was Joe Biden's don't be don't be a jerk because I'm tempted, not not that you would do this. What was Joe Biden's best characteristic? What's his like actual best trait? 00:37:09 Speaker 5: Honestly, I can answer this, and I think it actually gets at why his presidency was ultimately such a failure. I think there was a lot of openness on the left right when he took office after j six and everything to immediately like massively expand, like massively expand crackdowns on the right, like immediately try to arrest President Trump and throw him in prison, like he could have gone really really aggressive, and in that moment he did not. He did not arrest President Trump. He just let like a special counsel came in later and did stuff. 00:37:45 Speaker 3: So he wasn't he didn't maximally seek vengeance. 00:37:48 Speaker 5: Yes, And I think in the end, I don't know that that was really even something he felt strongly about. I think it was the people below him. 00:37:54 Speaker 3: Really had a sense of norms that that was betrayal of Jack. What's your thought if you had to give Ai Biden presidency, what would you name his best trade as? 00:38:05 Speaker 6: Yeah, you know what's funny is I actually I used to have like a standard answer for this question and I'm just totally drawing a blank right now because I'm like super jet, like you've ever run around at seat back all day. But I will say that there are a few things that Biden was good at, and on the populist front, I'll say that like ending one of the ones that I've always just given him credit for. 00:38:27 Speaker 1: It's not something that a lot of people are gonna see it. 00:38:29 Speaker 6: But you know, the Ticketmaster Live Nation anti trust investigation that we just saw that the Trump doj kind of kind of took a took a whiff on, kind of bunted on that this was something that he used to dig into when it came to the nuisance payments and the hidden extra fees that were in ticketing and so many other services that we get on a regular basis. I thought it was always smart of him and smart politics too, to be able to put that front and center and say we're going to fight. 00:38:56 Speaker 1: Against these junk fees. 00:38:58 Speaker 6: And I think that's something that a lot of Republicans is kind of like poop pood, but. 00:39:01 Speaker 1: It actually was a very strong populist measure. 00:39:05 Speaker 3: I don't know that I have an answer. I really don't. Uh. I think his best trait, and it definitely could be weaponized against him, was his is his seeming genuine love for his family. 00:39:18 Speaker 5: Well, he definitely has that. He definitely has that. 00:39:22 Speaker 3: I think that's his you know. I think that's the best thing. You know. I think it doesn't make him a good president, but he loved his family. I believe that that is a rich topic this ai president. I did expect me. I didn't expect my own self to be that intrigued by this one. All right, jack Lord of the Rings, this is the next topic. Peter Jackson is teaming up with Colbert on for Lord of the Rings movie. We have a clip. It's really long, though, can we just like play half of it if it's cut that down? 00:39:58 Speaker 5: Cut that down? 00:39:58 Speaker 3: Yeah, I most like I. 00:40:01 Speaker 10: Was just explaining to the folks about the next Tolkien movie after Hunt for Gollum and the pack that we've panted up with you to develop the script. 00:40:10 Speaker 11: So yeah, I'm pretty happy about it. So I tell people what the story is as much as you want, yep, yep. Oh, well, as much as I can. You know what the books mean to me and what your films mean to me. But the thing I found myself reading over and over again were the six chapters early on in the Fellowship that y'all never developed into the first movie. 00:40:30 Speaker 9: Back in the day. 00:40:31 Speaker 11: It's basically the chapter is three as Company through Fog on the Barrow Downs, And I thought, oh wait, maybe that. 00:40:38 Speaker 1: Could be its own story that could fit into the larger story. 00:40:42 Speaker 11: Could we make something that was completely faithful to the books while also being completely faithful to the movies that you guys had already made. And I started talking it over with my son Peter, who's also a screenwriter, and we worked out what we thought would work, especially as a framing device for that story. 00:41:02 Speaker 1: And I don't even. 00:41:04 Speaker 5: Think he got to it though, which is that? So the framing device is gonna be they say that Frodo is dead, which actually that was a debate we were having on the show earlier today, because does Frodo die or not in Lord of the Rings And the answer is he actually probably does. People get mad when you point that out. But anyway, Frodo's at least gone. He has departed Middle Earth. And then it's gonna be that Sam and his daughter and like elderly Mary and Pippen are traveling and they discover some secret that could have led to bad stuff happening, and I guess we're just gonna have we might have a hobbit girl boss girl bossing her way across Middle Earth. 00:41:40 Speaker 1: No, I get that, I get that, that's the contention. 00:41:43 Speaker 6: But but just for clarity, so he said, these were the first six chapters. 00:41:48 Speaker 1: But you're saying this is like a sequel. 00:41:50 Speaker 5: I think it's gonna be a framing device with Sam and his daughter and like elderly Mary and Pippen, but it's going to be adapting in some manner the content early in Lord of the Rings with the Tom Bombadil, weird barrel Man, stuff that didn't they didn't show in the movie because it's like weird. 00:42:12 Speaker 6: So we have So it's gonna be a sequel, but it's gonna reference things that supposedly took place before the main movie. 00:42:18 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a sequel prequel, that's what pretty much. 00:42:25 Speaker 3: Hi, folks, Andrew Colvett here, I'd like to tell you about my friends over at why Refy. 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So for those for fans of the show that watched for a while, you'll remember we had a Lord of the Rings conversation where Tyler suggested that Lord of the Rings was gay true story, and then Charlie pushed back and he had this to say. But by the way, when you when you watch this clip, I noticed it that Jack is trying not to yawn in it, which is really funny. 00:43:45 Speaker 4: It's like this subtle. 00:43:48 Speaker 3: Like Jack somehow like kept himself. Yeah, yeah, okay, top fifteen. 00:43:55 Speaker 2: I thought, I am. I could not be in more agreement with Blake. I think Lord of the Rings is one of the greatest artistics accomplishments of the species. 00:44:03 Speaker 3: Can you zoom in on that like Jack face, like. 00:44:09 Speaker 12: They pulled it just because they wanted. 00:44:12 Speaker 5: One thing is that's like me and I hadn't taken any strong cell so there's like no hair. 00:44:17 Speaker 3: Yeah right, yeah, I look at. 00:44:21 Speaker 1: Was talking. I thought they were doing the solo camera on him. 00:44:26 Speaker 3: But camera Jack was just like, I've been there though, Man, when you're hosting the show, I was, it's really tough sometimes with the sneezes. 00:44:35 Speaker 6: And when I was when I was younger, I was, I was an altar boy in uh In church and I I always used yawn during mass. I know, it would just come up and my parents would eventually get to the point where they would like, we would get done, and they would come up and my dad would just be like eleven. 00:44:52 Speaker 4: You know. 00:44:53 Speaker 6: The next day Maham would be like twelve. Yeah, we counted all your yawns. 00:44:56 Speaker 1: And I'm like, I don't know why I'm doing it, but what I think I was trying to do there, You're right, it was definitely on. 00:45:02 Speaker 6: It was you you put your tongue on the roof of your mouth and supposedly that helps you from opening your mouth all the way because something with like I guess this is kind of like a form of viewing because it's anti yawning mewing. And I was, I was trying to do it there and I was, man, I think I failed. 00:45:20 Speaker 1: I think I failed that time. 00:45:23 Speaker 3: Uh oh wait, Jesus smacked me upside the head. This is a good point. He ignored the illegitimate grandchild numbers. 00:45:31 Speaker 5: Assume is that Biden's best trade? 00:45:33 Speaker 3: Well, because I said Biden's best trade was he seemed to love his family. Yeah, this is why it's such a hard question, even when you're trying. 00:45:42 Speaker 1: To generate her Man I met Navy. 00:45:45 Speaker 5: Actually, Angelo Angelo points out a good thing like does the world need more Lord of the Rings content? And I'd say that's a that's a highly valid question because I feel compared to every big, big franchise that people get obsessed with, Star Wars, Marvel, James Bond, anything, does Lord of the Rings have the most consistently bad content? That is, anything that's not the Peter Jackson trilogy. Like the Hobbit movies were bad. Most of the video games are really bad. 00:46:13 Speaker 4: I mean, I feel like the first Hobbit movie is fantastic. 00:46:16 Speaker 5: The first Hobbit movie is not fantastic, fantastic. The Lonely Mountain. 00:46:21 Speaker 4: Song Amazon one is trash. 00:46:23 Speaker 3: Absolutely, Jack we have a zoom up on your young every we have a zoom in on the Yon, every single Hobbit movie. 00:46:30 Speaker 5: This come on left to the left suppressingly on that was. 00:46:41 Speaker 6: There was a smell that was watching someone in the other room was was cooking up some cow pie, and uh, you know it's. 00:46:49 Speaker 3: Very subtle that. No, honestly, it's very subtle, like if you actually had a real yawn there, Jack. I mean, I feel bad for the podcast. We should move on because when. 00:46:59 Speaker 6: That's the tongue, I'm putting the tongue on the on the roof of my mouth and I'm going like. 00:47:03 Speaker 1: All right, you have to to like wrangle it now. 00:47:06 Speaker 3: All right, who did it better? Gollam or Colbert Image sixteen? Throw it up here? Who did it better? 00:47:14 Speaker 1: Oh? 00:47:14 Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely absolutely? 00:47:17 Speaker 6: Once again, the podcast folks have no idea what we're talking about. 00:47:21 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's truly weird, rightshy No, But really, Lord of the Rings is I do feel like Lord of the Rings doesn't hold up that well, and it's spin off material. 00:47:29 Speaker 3: I have to say there, Like I understand Tyler's kind of contention that it's it's a little effeminate. There's something about Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings that does feel a little effeminate. I know that Charlie loved it, You loved it, and I enjoyed it when it started. I just it is a little effeminate. Wait, what is a feminine about Lord of the Rings, Sam and Frodo's relationships. 00:47:50 Speaker 12: It's just protastic a fellowship. It's simply fellowship of men, little gay who go into play with their ring. Yeah, it's totally straight. You probably be you watch. 00:48:04 Speaker 5: You watch like you probably watch like Saving Private Ryan, and like all those dudes are all together. 00:48:09 Speaker 13: Look, oh, so feminine beach they're going to the beach day. I'm sorry, but you're on a beach with only men. 00:48:20 Speaker 5: That's gay. That's what that's interesting. 00:48:22 Speaker 3: You know what. No, I band of brothers and Saving Private Ryan. I got like misty eyed about that. Okay, that hits you in a different way because it's like elves are gay. 00:48:34 Speaker 5: The elves are not gay. First of all, a lot of the elves are just women. Glad Drill is just a woman. 00:48:40 Speaker 3: Well that's not inherently Michael, I'll rock with that. So Caboo says, the Hobbits are whimsical, small creatures who garden and eat all day. 00:48:51 Speaker 5: They're just merry England. We're just gonna have to just no, we have to agree that you are incorrect. 00:48:58 Speaker 3: No, I'm agreeing with boot. 00:49:02 Speaker 4: Is literally a shot for shot of the book, the first. 00:49:05 Speaker 5: One, yeah, except that the first topic film also has like an extended hour long video game that the audience isn't allowed to play. 00:49:11 Speaker 3: Listen. I'm not here to judge, you know, I'm just saying I am. I am here to each other, whimsical elser. 00:49:20 Speaker 6: I do have a hot take on Lord of the Rings in general that I've gotten into it with some folks about where this. 00:49:26 Speaker 1: Gets into like the So you guys know that J. R. Tolkien and C. S. Lewis were actually good friends in real life. 00:49:34 Speaker 6: Their book professors of English at Oxford together, and so Narnia and Lord of the Rings where yeah, Rustlers is going. Narnia and Lord of the Rings were you know, kind of kind of written almost not you know, concurrently in a sense. And Tolkien always said that he didn't like Narnia because he thought that it was too overtly Christian. And I've heard people try to make the argument that Lord of the Rings overtly Christian, and I hate the burst of bubble guys, but you're just wrong. There's nothing overtly Christian about Lord of the Rings. There's no church in it, there's no faith in it, there's no christ figure there's none of these things. And honestly, Lord of the Rings, if it's anything, Lord of the Rings is overtly pagan. 00:50:20 Speaker 5: Lord of the Rings is It's interesting actually because people will a weird thing. Did you know this about Lord of the Rings. That Lord of the Rings does not take place on like a different planet or anything. It takes place on Earth. 00:50:31 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:50:32 Speaker 5: The claim the conceit of Lord of the Rings is that it is literally just Earth ten thousand years ago, and there's a different map and all of that, because you know, the continents have shifted. 00:50:42 Speaker 4: But it's supposed to be it's supposed to be a mythology for Earth, the same way as that Greek mythology and so forth. 00:50:48 Speaker 5: So like in Lord of the Rings, they don't really talk about it, but there is a God Rut who. 00:50:53 Speaker 3: Is just God. 00:50:54 Speaker 5: It is just the devil basically. It's like they have different names for it in all that Demons. 00:51:01 Speaker 3: Yes, I mean, I don't know. I think Lord of the Rings when I I haven't watched it so long, but it it felt overtly Christian to me, actually, the themes. But I mean I'm sure that, I'm sure. I listen, I haven't watched it for a long time. Maybe I'll reserve judgment. 00:51:17 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I think there is something to be said that your themes can be overtly Christian while the actual content doesn't feel like it's not a allegory the way that Narnia is, but the themes are overt. 00:51:31 Speaker 3: Like Christ is dark versus evil. Yeah, Jackie, I. 00:51:35 Speaker 1: Don't good versus evil. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying it's not a cool. 00:51:38 Speaker 6: Story, but it is also overtly pagan. Like the content is obviously pagan because you have like demons, and you have a like a pantheon of of powerful creatures and figures which which you it's at your point, like you just said, it's much more like Greek mythology or Norse mythology or uh, you know, Slavic folk mythology than it has to do with with a Christian story. 00:52:04 Speaker 3: I'm all right, guy. You know what I realized. The fact that Lord of the Rings appealed to Colbert is proof enough that it's probably hold on. Hold On. 00:52:16 Speaker 6: Lewis made more Christians that token and Lord of the Rings. You get these guys, You get these lip dards like Colbert who like love it and if this thing is like, oh, it's overtly Christian, I'm like, well, then why is the guy like Colbert love it so much? 00:52:29 Speaker 3: Well, Colbert's yeah, very into his Catholicism. Babies. 00:52:35 Speaker 5: What except for the part where like you can't board babies. 00:52:37 Speaker 3: That's a good point. That was That was one of Joe Biden's worst qualities. This year marks a critical moment for our country as the opposition grows more aggressive and unapologetic. The fight now reaches into the everyday decisions that we make. Patriot Mobile has been standing on the front lines fighting for freedom for more than twelve years. They don't just liver top tier wireless service. They're activists like me, like you, who truly care about our country. 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Don't wait, that's Patriotmobile dot com slash Charlie or call nine seven to two Patriot. 00:53:55 Speaker 5: All right, so I asked, the only way we can resolve this is I asked the Libai Clip and the Conservative Ai Groc whether Lord of the Rings was gay, and Groc says no, Lord of the Rings is not gay in any meaningful sense, neither as a story, nor in its themes, nor in its characters, nor in its intent. It's a straight up pun intended epic of good versus evil, it literally says. It is a straight up pun intended while Claude the lib Ai says it takes that nuanced angle. Peter Jackson's adaptations lean into the emotional intimacy pretty heavily, which has amplified queer readings for a new generation of fans with many LGBTQ plus readers and literary scholars have embraced Froto and Sam and to a lesser extent, legal ass and Gimli as queer coded or representing love that transcends the heteronormative. That said, they do note that Tolkien actually modeled Proto and Sam after the relationship between officers and their batman in World War One batman being kind of servants to an officer in a mi military context. 00:55:01 Speaker 4: To be fair, Elijah Woods portrayal of is a little effeminate, yes, to be fair. 00:55:08 Speaker 3: But but this reminds me of Lincoln, right that Lincoln, I didn't you like share a bed with like like a childhood friend or like when he was before he was married basically, but that was Andrew. 00:55:19 Speaker 1: You're thinking of yourself. 00:55:25 Speaker 5: I've said on that one today. 00:55:30 Speaker 3: But here's the thing. So there's all these rumors about Lincoln that he's he's gay, but he wasn't gay. 00:55:36 Speaker 5: He was a wife guy. And it's actually a pretty sad wife guy because his wife was not very nice. Well, she was psychoed, and she like treated him like crap, and he was always like really kind of worked up because his wife was throwing temper tansions and stuff, but. 00:55:48 Speaker 3: Like there is My point is that there is a there. Yeah, you can have intimate male friendships without them being gay. Okay, established fact number one. But what's funny is that when that happens, it can actually be a really you know, it be a good thing, really positive thing. But the world is such that it will always take that and assume that it's gay. And you see that with Lincoln. Lincoln story was not gay, but now there's this attempt to rewrite the history around Lincoln that he was gay. 00:56:17 Speaker 5: Zuzu asks. Did Tolkien and cee Us Lewis end their friendship over Christianity? 00:56:22 Speaker 8: No. 00:56:23 Speaker 5: I wanted to debunk that because obviously they were both Christian. Tolkien was but her that when Lewis became a Christian, he became an Anglican instead of becoming a Catholic like Tolkien was. I think they did have a pretty severe falling out, but it wasn't over Christianity. It was over I believe C. S. Lewis's wife. I think Tolkien didn't like her very much really, but I am not an expert on that one. I don't believe they were ever enemies or anything. I think they just went through phases served when his wife died of really tragic book. I've read it anyways, all right, we gotta get to that. 00:56:57 Speaker 6: Here's wait wait wait wait, wait, wait, real quick on that. Just since we're on the topic. I always try to bring this up whenever I can, so I can get into trouble and I'd love to core controversy on this. So I don't think that Lord of the Rings is queer coded. I don't think it is. However, I do think that there is one piece of children's media that is extremely queer coded, and the director and even one of the main stars have admitted this. It's a Disney movie and it's called Frozen. Yes, that's right. Frozen is absolutely queer coded. It is two females. 00:57:31 Speaker 1: Oh. I know you're gonna say other sisters. 00:57:33 Speaker 6: No, no, no, I'm saying if you actually look at the story, it's about the sisterhood. 00:57:37 Speaker 1: It is very anti male. 00:57:39 Speaker 6: Every man in it is like either the enemy or a liar, or a dullard or someone who's stupid, and it's about, you know, we women bind together through the power of our relationship against the men of the world. And I believe there's also a gay character when they go to the sauna as well. 00:57:55 Speaker 3: The sec feminist though, it's like feminist s I'm. 00:57:58 Speaker 1: Telling you, it's totally queer code. Totally queer coded. 00:58:01 Speaker 5: Wait, what happens with what about the dude who is like a nice salesman, isn't. 00:58:04 Speaker 3: Yeah, he ends up getting the younger sister. 00:58:07 Speaker 5: Yeah, it doesn't he or he gets them. 00:58:08 Speaker 1: I'm telling you though, But it's it is. That's what I'm saying. It's coded. 00:58:11 Speaker 6: I'm saying it's different, not overtly, but it is coded. And Idina Menzel has come out and said this, who did the voice of the main character, and uh, cush, I can't think of it whatever, you know, the Frozen chick and the director has said it as well. So that's why, that's why let It Go is seen as a queer anthem in the LGBT community. 00:58:35 Speaker 3: Just be gay, Just be gay. No, so Fazio says. I mean, if Frozen is gay, then Lord of the Rings is Elton John Elsa. 00:58:44 Speaker 1: So yeah, Elsa. No, Lord of the Rings is not queer coded because it's not there's no intent. 00:58:48 Speaker 5: But Frozen is aggressively. I can't aggressively weigh in on whether Frozen is gay, because I'm like Jack, I do not watch it at least three times a week. 00:58:58 Speaker 3: You had that. 00:58:59 Speaker 1: I've only seen it one probably all the way through. 00:59:01 Speaker 3: Well listen, I have today on today. 00:59:05 Speaker 1: Go look it up. Go look it up. The people who made it said it's queer coded. 00:59:09 Speaker 5: Yeah, but the people who make everything in Hollywood say it's queer coded. They say, like everything. 00:59:12 Speaker 3: That's how they keep getting jobs in Hollywood. 00:59:14 Speaker 5: And they definitely get jobs, if you know what I mean. 00:59:16 Speaker 3: It's called Jobs eleven year Olds. 00:59:18 Speaker 5: PG thirteen. This is the PG thirteen program. 00:59:20 Speaker 3: All right, I really I have to get we have to get to this show. They're this story of the quadruple amputee murderer. It was one of those stories where. 00:59:31 Speaker 5: Everyone sees the headline and does a excuse me. 00:59:35 Speaker 3: And I shared this as my wife and she was like wait what like and I was like, there's video. I was like, not of the murder, but like of this guy shooting you know, a weapon. He can like cock the gun and point it and shoot it with like I guess he's got kind of you know, like a. 00:59:51 Speaker 5: I mean, it's a headline that you just have to embrace, like this is the headline I saw in NBC quadruple amputee and corn hole pro accused of fatally shooting man while driving. There's so many things that's him, that's him on a tube account. He is blasting away with that gun and that man has no hands. 01:00:14 Speaker 3: Look at I would be terrified as if I if I was him of accidentally shooting off. 01:00:19 Speaker 5: Wait do we have do. 01:00:21 Speaker 4: We have him? 01:00:24 Speaker 3: Yeah? I know, there's not much less. 01:00:26 Speaker 5: Oh gosh, this guy is cooler than I am. 01:00:29 Speaker 3: I mean, like straight up a little bit of respect for his zest for life as a quadruple empty. Apparently had some some illness as a kid and they had to amputate all four limbs in order to save his life. And then he I mean, we've got we've got clips on this guy. So let's let's start with the Yeah, I mean, I haven't seen that one, so that's interesting. Let's start with I guess SOT nineteen. 01:00:58 Speaker 6: Who is Dayton Weber. Dayton Weber is a beast. 01:01:02 Speaker 3: He's strong, he's determined. 01:01:06 Speaker 5: To me, that's like beast mood. 01:01:07 Speaker 3: You know. 01:01:08 Speaker 9: He just got sick like any other normal kid. 01:01:10 Speaker 13: Take him to the hospital and find out that it had gotten to be a bacterial infection. 01:01:15 Speaker 3: Grave danger is the word they used all the time. 01:01:20 Speaker 7: Dayton was diagnosed with a bacterial infection that led to sepsis. The bacteria using his bloodstream as a tool to attack his organs. 01:01:30 Speaker 5: They suggested that he. 01:01:34 Speaker 9: Be baptized and given his last rites. 01:01:39 Speaker 5: That just didn't enter my thought that I was going to lose. 01:01:41 Speaker 7: Him to prevent the infection from spreading. Doctors amputated Dayton's extremities both arms and legs. 01:01:55 Speaker 3: That is like really sad. 01:01:56 Speaker 5: Yeah, but that guy didn't let it hold. He committed felonies that most fully limbed people can never dream of. 01:02:06 Speaker 3: Allegedly, I hate that because it makes me feel all the sympathy for me. And then like the story of the murder is is Uh, the murder is like crazy. So he's just sitting in his tesla. He's got two people in the back. 01:02:19 Speaker 5: Dayton Weber was behind the wheels when he opened fire on Braderick Michael Wells during an argument as they were traveling in a car in the town of La Plata. 01:02:30 Speaker 13: Uh. 01:02:30 Speaker 5: And then Weber allegedly pulled over and asked the backseat passengers to help pull Wells out of the car. They refused and instead flagged down the Plata police. 01:02:38 Speaker 3: There's nothing this man can't do except the. 01:02:43 Speaker 4: Slow to his friends have to be to allow him to get shots off. 01:02:47 Speaker 3: That's what I'm That's what I'm thinking. It's like, that's my question. If you know, like and you kind of wonder about the lead up with the guy, like he's not gonna do Yeah, he's like he probably, like the passenger, he probably didn't know that he could pull it off. Or maybe he did. I don't know, Jack, you've got save us. 01:03:05 Speaker 5: Weber competes in the American Day. 01:03:07 Speaker 6: At the end of the day, you can say you can certainly say that you have to look out for an unarmed man. 01:03:17 Speaker 5: Weber competes in the American Cornhole League, which called this case quote an extremely serious matter. 01:03:26 Speaker 1: Say you just you just you just got to give him a hand. 01:03:30 Speaker 5: Oscar Pastorius sort of walked so that this man could kind of run. 01:03:36 Speaker 3: Okay, that's pretty good, that's pretty I. 01:03:38 Speaker 5: Did get it from a nice tweet. 01:03:40 Speaker 1: I guess you could say there's a crime afoot. 01:03:43 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, the. 01:03:49 Speaker 6: Studio, you know what, you know what they say, he's got to stand on his own two legs. 01:03:55 Speaker 5: Sh this is disgraceful. 01:03:58 Speaker 3: Yeah, we should sorry, this is really gone off the rails. 01:04:03 Speaker 5: This is gone. I'm trying to think of a alarm or leg pun The second doesn't have much of a leg to stand on, all right, So. 01:04:11 Speaker 3: Wait, he could shoot a rifle too. Hold on, wait, what did you say? 01:04:15 Speaker 5: His case doesn't have a leg to stand. 01:04:16 Speaker 3: Oh, there there you go. Cut twenty four is Dayton Weber shooting a rifle. I didn't see this one like that second shot a. 01:04:31 Speaker 14: Little better, don't you. Yeah, uh huh, I just got to shoot it one time. 01:04:42 Speaker 7: That gun is nasty. 01:04:44 Speaker 14: Heck yeah, hard for sure, no doubt. 01:04:48 Speaker 5: I'm genuinely sad that this guy did murder someone because it really actually it's it's genuinely inspiring to see those clips and you feel bad about how it all ended, because I think there's a lot of people out there who would say, like, I would rather die than live that way, and like he did seem to have a pretty rich life other than the murdering people part. 01:05:08 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you kind of wonder, like, did the trauma of what he went through as a child, did it like scar him? Did it traumatize him in some way that made him do this. I don't know the whole story really, watching his parents talk about him and watch like seeing him as a baby with the arms like, I cannot imagine being a parent and seeing that happen to my kid. I just can't. So it's a really tragic ending to it. 01:05:34 Speaker 6: You know what they say, you know what they say, though, people with disabilities can do anything. 01:05:39 Speaker 5: In twenty twenty three, the American Cornhole League called Weber unstoppable, and they said that he is a shining example of our slogan anyone can play, anyone can win. He was also able to He taught himself to write, race go karts, and compete in corn hole. Weber says that corn hole taught him to take challenges as they come each day. 01:06:03 Speaker 1: Wait a minute, Wait a minute, Blake. 01:06:04 Speaker 6: He should he should, he should take the stand himself in the trial, because then the judge will say, place your hand on the bible. 01:06:12 Speaker 5: Oh wait, it's the technicality. 01:06:15 Speaker 3: I thought you were I thought you were hitting him with that one too. Yeah, I mean, listen, it's a it's a sad story. I don't think I'm gonna get over the picture of the kids. Once you have kids, like everything changes. I'm sure Jack will appreciate this, like you can't, you like it's you know, watching gory movies for example, is way harder watching anything in a movie that happened to a kid. Watching any of these, I can't. 01:06:38 Speaker 1: I can't watch any movie if there's like a kid. 01:06:40 Speaker 6: I guess in the New whatever, the last Michael Myers movie is like when Jamie the Curtis came back, there's something like the kid dies and it's like a babysitter like accidentally throws them off the stairs and and he dies in like the first five minutes, and I was just like, I can't. 01:06:56 Speaker 1: I couldn't even watch the rest of it after that, just couldn't. 01:06:58 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, So this whole story sucks, but but it did give some great fodder to the folks online. The comments on this like we're we're legitimately funny. They were laugh outlet laugh fun Yeah. Wait, is Jack gonna claim the quadruple amputees are gay? Also? No, No, Jack didn't do anything. 01:07:22 Speaker 5: I mean he did. He was literally obsessed with holes. He was a professional. 01:07:26 Speaker 3: Do we have the cornall professionally old eleven year olds? Uh? Clip? 01:07:31 Speaker 1: It says clips? Great book? What's wrong? With that. 01:07:35 Speaker 3: It's a clip twenty uh fazio. Whatever, Let's play. Let's play him talking about playing cornhole. We're here at my house. 01:07:46 Speaker 4: This is where I practiced my corn hole. 01:07:48 Speaker 14: Cornhole has been a passionate mind since I was eight years old, you know, thrown in the backyard with my parents' friends and stuff. At first, it took me a little while to get it there. 01:08:02 Speaker 3: To the board. 01:08:03 Speaker 14: Consistently, I was able to compensate the grip on the bag by just grabbing the corner of it with me propelling myself forward and the whip of the bag. That's how I get it there. 01:08:17 Speaker 5: That guy's better at corn hole than I am, a lot better. And he's in the professional corn. 01:08:21 Speaker 3: Better at murdering people than you are, too, which is man, But. 01:08:25 Speaker 1: Are you fair blake that we know of that? We know of? 01:08:29 Speaker 3: Man? 01:08:31 Speaker 5: Gosh, why did this guy have to go kill somebody? I like, we should have had him on thought crime before he did that. He's like, actually such an inspiration, except. 01:08:41 Speaker 3: Unfortunately, all right, well, good now, we're all it's a great downer, really really good job for project. 01:08:49 Speaker 1: Abilities get in the way of your dreams. So there you. 01:08:53 Speaker 3: Go there, all right, Well, listen, Jack, have a great time at sea. Pack tell us keep keep the vibe up, keep enjoying it. And seriously, yeah and uh yeah, why don't you take us home? Sign us off and take us home. 01:09:09 Speaker 6: Ladies and gentlemen, as always, go out there and commit more thought fry. 01:09:19 Speaker 5: For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to Charliekirk dot com.