THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 109 — Tyler Robinson In Court

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However, people need to understand that the ruling that just came down, and I see this as going viral online even as we speak, that was only about court cameras in the courtroom today as pertains to this specific hearing and possibly. 00:02:09 Speaker 1: Preview hearings in general. 00:02:11 Speaker 3: There's also mention, and I've got this from a reporter that that Grapp wrote as Keeping stated that we've set aside the thirtieth of January, and that might be the one I want to say to our anticipated notion that's coming about Keeping Courton's other court cameras in the courtroom. 00:02:31 Speaker 1: I went to weigh in as well. 00:02:32 Speaker 3: It will be on January thirtieth, So on January thirty is the one that they're making that ruling for. They're not making a ruling yet as of this time for the entire courtroom trial. Blake, Matthew and Maachnez is disunderstanding as well. 00:02:47 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that seems right. It went out in a few places that they'd already ruled, but that's not surprising. Kind of everything about this case seems to take forever, which we complained about on the show today, And I promptly got an email from another person who works another murder trials and she said, it's just always like this. She said she's seen absolute open and shut gangbanger shooting cases take two years to resolve, and so that sadly might be like this, even for something as basic as getting cameras into the courtroom, which we're all hoping for. I think besides that, I guess the main thing we've gotten out of this, because people need something to feast on, is we do have really our first in a courtroom video footage of Tyler Robinson. We have people analyzing his facial expressions because there's not too much to analyze otherwise at this point. Whether his whether the look on his face in profile, which we're showing right now, is he smiling, is he laughing? A lot of people have had that interpretation. I'll admit, I've only gotten a chance to look at it a few times. I'm not sure I see laughing. You can see a sort of grin a few times, but I could understand if someone said it was otherwise. 00:04:00 Speaker 6: Yes. 00:04:00 Speaker 1: And by the way, guys, I'm going to share in the chat right now. 00:04:03 Speaker 3: I just got the the Otter note with the full transcript, so if you guys want to get it in. 00:04:11 Speaker 1: But yeah, so, oh, excuse me. The media access. 00:04:16 Speaker 3: Actually January thirty of this now moved because the hearing is still going on, So they now moved back to February third, So Blake to your point, there we go. 00:04:25 Speaker 1: They're just moving it out again. They're moving it out. They're moving it out. 00:04:28 Speaker 3: I would say, though, if you have does anyone have that picture of Charlie or excuse me, Charlie of Tyler Robinson? This uh, you know where it's kind of zoomed in. It's like a zoomed in picture of him and and Blake. I'll, you know, to your point, I'll say in the chat, I didn't necessarily see him laughing in this video, but there's one spot where I. 00:04:50 Speaker 1: Mean, that's just definitely a smile. 00:04:53 Speaker 3: And you know there are times where Brian Etton, out of News Nation, who does a lot of this reporting, he said that, you know, some times it can be a tactic by defense teams to say, try to look more human, try to smile, try to humanize yourself with the jury or any potential jurors who might be watching. 00:05:11 Speaker 1: So so act normal. 00:05:13 Speaker 3: And yet when you see this specific image of him smiling and you see sort of the way that he's acting, I mean, to me, he looks very smug. He looks very smug. He seems it's a grin. It's a grin. It's a smirk that you see in these images. And we're going to get that up and show you guys in just a second. 00:05:36 Speaker 1: But this is. 00:05:38 Speaker 3: I'm just gonna say it, guys, this was very It's hard to watch, all right, I can say right now it's really hard for me to watch and see this guy yucking it up with his lawyers there at the table and grinning and certainly not looking remorseful, certainly not looking as though he's sad that we're in the proceedings for the death of a good man, the death of a father, the death of a husband. It's just, you know, great, nonchalant and you know, having a good time hanging out, like he doesn't. 00:06:08 Speaker 1: Have a care in the world. 00:06:10 Speaker 3: And you know, I don't know this strategy or what, but I got very upset watching this earlier today. And yeah, I can't even really say publicly what I want, Cliff, I don't know. 00:06:25 Speaker 1: What do you think? What were your thoughts when you saw this, this video? 00:06:29 Speaker 5: Well, I think this was a big moment for everybody, at least for me. 00:06:32 Speaker 6: I mean I texted Tyler about this when I first saw the image of him grinning. 00:06:36 Speaker 1: I think I did the same thing the thing. 00:06:39 Speaker 5: In a weird way. 00:06:40 Speaker 6: I think all of us are dealing with this in different ways, and it still comes in waves and sometimes it still doesn't feel real. This was a moment right when he seeing him like as an actual person. I'm not calling him that he's nice, not worthy of being called a human being, a piece of garbage, but it really just made this thing real again, and I think it was a moment, you know, to see him not just as you know, hey, this prisoner who we saw briefly in the you know, the prison guarb but now to be in a dress shirt and the tie of people surrounding. 00:07:13 Speaker 5: Him defending him. You know, it's a justice system. 00:07:16 Speaker 6: It's going to play its way out, but it was tough to watch. And let me just say this to everybody out there, these trials are going to take time. Okay, it's going to be frustrating. There's going to be so much that they have to prove that he is a person, that he was there, that there is a campus, the campus exists in Utah. 00:07:33 Speaker 5: There are so many, I want to call. 00:07:34 Speaker 6: Him preliminary things, but things that for most normal folks, if you've never been into a criminal trial, if you've never seen one, there are so many mundane things. 00:07:43 Speaker 5: That the prosecutors are going to have to prove that are real things. 00:07:47 Speaker 6: And to us it's so obvious. But in the court of law you have to prove those things. And so I do think we should be prepared for this to be a long drawn out battle. But as Erica said, why not be transparent. 00:07:59 Speaker 5: So that is the that we're looking for. 00:08:01 Speaker 6: We're hoping that this is all going to be on camera and not to glamorize him, but let the people see what this monster did, and let's have an open trial so that there's full transparency. 00:08:11 Speaker 5: I agree with Erica on that. 00:08:14 Speaker 4: Yeah, I really think it's it's one of those things where there's a lot of I think a lot of the issues we've encountered with what people say about this. It comes from the psychic overload that people have such strong feelings about Charlie and about what happened to him. They need to engage with it. They need something to react to. And instead of having an unfolding trial with facts, instead of having all that truly actually quite lurid information about Tyler Robinson and his private life, I think that could be satiating a lot of them. But it's taking a long time because these court proceedings take so long, and so they're getting diverted into other things. I think it's a big argument in favor of we should as a country spend more on our justice system, have more prosecutors, more judges, whatever it takes to have faster hearings, faster trials, faster turnaround on this sort of thing, because this is a modern development. You used to be able to do serious trials with serious evidence and serious proceedings within the last hundred years without nearly as much delay for this sort of thing. There have been attempted assassins of presidents who are tried, convicted in a fair trial, and in their case is executed within a two to three month time window. You don't necessarily need this to be that fast, but it feels very disappointing to me that anyone in a high profile murder case is taking half a year before you're even getting to jury selection. 00:09:47 Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's going to continue to drag out. 00:09:49 Speaker 6: And that's why I'm saying that I agree with you, but I think it's our job to kind of set the expectation with viewers of the show. 00:09:55 Speaker 5: And people that love Charlie. 00:09:57 Speaker 6: This is not going to be a four month thing, right. This is going to take a long time. There's going to be jury selection, there's going to be tons of these just things that from an outside perspective you're going to say, well, who really cares about that? Why are they able to drag it out? But that's part of the strategy. And sometimes it's for the defense. Sometimes it's for the prosecutors, you know, to to kind of get the jury mad at the other side or to be frustrated. But I think, you know, the other thing is selecting a jury in this case, you know, to have a jury that's not tampered or people that haven't seen this. I mean, this is unprecedented, right, Charlie was everywhere. I think it's it's hard to find someone, especially now with the news coverage that doesn't know who Charlie Kirk is. And so you're going to have a heck of a jury selection to try to figure out, you know, and some of these rulings are going to be crucial on who the judge lets in, who the judge says, you know, has some sort of bias, and I think that's going to be a key part, you know, to what the prosecution has to do is to making sure that this isn't some issue that goes to a mistrial later because one of the jurors says that, oh, they weren't familiar with it, where they don't know who Charlie is, they haven't seen any of these reports. I mean, this isn't oj like we're in an age now where everyone has access to social media, everyone has access to content, so that to me is going to be a very very interesting part of this process. 00:11:19 Speaker 7: This is Lane Schoenberger, chief investment Officer and founding partner of y Refi. It has been an honor and a privilege to partner with Turning Point and for Charlie to endorse us. His endorsement means the world to us and we look forward to continuing our partnership with Turning Point for years to come. Now hear Charlie in his own words, tell you about why Refi. 00:11:39 Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you guys about why refight dot com. That is why are ef y dot com. Y refi is incredible private student loan debt in America told us about three hundred billion dollars. Hy refi is refinancing distress or defaulted private student loans. You can finally take control of your student loan situation with a plan that works for your monthly budget. Go to yrefight dot com. 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And something that a lot of people have pointed out that could come up in terms of some of the firestorm the media that's already going on is the Utah Witness Intimidation Law. 00:13:00 Speaker 1: And I'll put that out right now. 00:13:02 Speaker 3: So this is something and by the way, this is something that comes up in a number of these cases when people have have followed them so closely that then become so shall I say so, targeted at witnesses and victims. 00:13:19 Speaker 1: So here's what it says under. 00:13:20 Speaker 3: Utah law, person committing witness tampering or intimid intimidation if they attempt to improperly influence the testimony of someone they know they might testify it to prevent someone from testifying, threaten, harass, or retaliate against someone because of their role, engage in conduct intending to make a witness fearful, silent, or less cooperative with the justice process. UTAH specifically criminalizes threats, harassment, public accusations intended to be spreadit. 00:13:48 Speaker 1: Public pressure can public pressure. 00:13:50 Speaker 3: Campaigns that could shill testimony with Chalda story, conduct towards. 00:13:54 Speaker 1: Victims or victim advocates or ever the representatives. 00:13:57 Speaker 3: Public statements even online can meet the definition that the intent is to affect testimony or cooperation. And so this is this is something that has come up in a number of these cases where you know, we have this huge community that gets involved with people have to remember that they. 00:14:15 Speaker 1: Are active cases, and in fact. 00:14:17 Speaker 3: There are laws on the books that govern anyone who can get involved in anyone you know. 00:14:25 Speaker 1: That is that is getting. 00:14:27 Speaker 3: Involved in these cases, and that's serious, that's a very serious thing. And these laws have been on the books for a long time. Blake walk us through why we have laws like this. 00:14:36 Speaker 4: I mean, we have laws like this because those are the things that people do to escape culpability for crimes we and also, frankly, a part of it is also there a way, like our glorious Supreme Court has made it difficult to execute people unfortunately, and so one of the ways they've gone about it is they've said, you have to have some aggravating factors before we will allow heinous perpetrator trader to face appropriate punishment for their crimes. And so you definitely see facets of that throughout the indictment of Tyler Robinson, where they threw in that charge for doing something in the presence of a minor. And I think the witness intimidation stuff comes into that, because when you're doing stuff against witnesses, that's another thing that's considered a valid aggravating factor in cases, and so you get those in play. They're clearly they structured the indictment in a way to make sure a court couldn't swoop in later and say there were no aggravating factors, so you can't try to bring the death penalty in this case. 00:15:47 Speaker 3: I just want to clear up something, guys, because I have this so the official term is and you know, you know Mae Pulpla, if I use the long term, she is recognized as the designated victims representative. 00:16:00 Speaker 1: This should be officially recognized. 00:16:01 Speaker 3: As a designated victim representative, and so that means she has a right to attend the trial. But as such a lot of these witness intimidation laws could potentially if the Dutch decides to cover the designated victim representative as well with humans, they cover Erica and I mean Blake to your point, they're the basic reason we don't want people intimidating victims in the trial, because we want actual justice. Well for the same reason we want actual justice. So that's why these laws on witness intimidation also cover victim representative intimidation as well. 00:16:37 Speaker 6: Yeah, and if I'm understanding this correctly, why I think this opens up a can of worms in a good. 00:16:42 Speaker 5: Way is because now all of a sudden, you know, look, defamation all of us know, you know, some of the vile things. 00:16:48 Speaker 6: We've seen and some of these horrific things that people say about us or anybody that's involved. 00:16:52 Speaker 5: With Charlie or New Charlie. 00:16:54 Speaker 6: You know, the standard for defamation is pretty much impossible in the United States, I mean for public figures, it is pretty much something where to be successful in a defamation case against the public. 00:17:04 Speaker 5: Figure, it's just very rare. 00:17:05 Speaker 6: But now I'm hearing this and I'm thinking to myself, you know, now it makes it I think, much more doable that if Erica or the state wanted to go after somebody that is literally threatening her in a way or defaming her in a way that could intimidate her as a potential witness or as you know, the victim representative. Am I saying that correctly? Does that open the door where it's much more liable for somebody to go after somebody that now has that label, because with defamation it's pretty much impossible. 00:17:37 Speaker 1: Yeah, it can be. 00:17:38 Speaker 3: It's ultimately up to the judge. It's helpingly up to you prosecutors in this case. But yet it does give her an official standing with the court and in the trial. So what it means and this has come up another case is where in other parts of the country where people have been aroused, intimidated and then taking. 00:17:59 Speaker 8: It up with the and they've they've gone back and. 00:18:03 Speaker 3: Found rulings on their behalf and said, look, you can't interfere with someone who's directly involved with a trial like this maybe what they view as a form of witness intimidation jury and actually tampering with. 00:18:16 Speaker 1: A jurid trial. 00:18:17 Speaker 3: And by the way, you know, just from a personal perspective, I want everyone to comment on astrial if you disagree, if you think if you're one of these people who is I've been calling them the Robin Simps, So the Tyler Robin Simps who actually support Tyler Robinson and they think that he's completely innocent and think that there's no way if he could have done it, and think this. I want the Robinson to be out there. I'm not calling for them to be arrested or charged or anything like that. And I think they have a perfectly fine First Amendment right. It would be wrong for the Robinson people asking questions. You've perfectly had a right to ask questions in the country called the First Amendments that said people should be aware if you use the laws are on the book. 00:18:58 Speaker 1: And that's just why I'm. 00:18:59 Speaker 3: Reading that because very simply victim just threading here. Victims have rights. It's really simple. There's a Bill of rights for victims and it includes the victims to not be the freedom to not be publicly harass intimate, to use protection from activations mobization of followers who have harass or attack. 00:19:15 Speaker 1: And so this means that in a. 00:19:17 Speaker 3: Sense, and I'm reading this, Erica is now officially tied to the prosecution and the prosecution can take actions to protect her. 00:19:26 Speaker 1: And that's that's just something too. That is going to be another another feature of this case. I believe going. 00:19:32 Speaker 4: Forward, it's possible. I feel like that would be what you're alluded to, would be a stretch, but I guess I would probably appreciate it. 00:19:40 Speaker 1: It's not a stretch. It's the law. 00:19:41 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it's the law, but it would be there's laws, and then it's how do you use those laws? I would be I would be very pleasantly surprised if we saw if we saw it used in that way. 00:19:53 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. 00:19:54 Speaker 3: I'm just saying I have no idea if it would or it wouldn't. But we have seen people they charges for victim intimidation before another state. 00:20:04 Speaker 4: We have we have I'd have to read more on like what they specifically did in those cases. 00:20:08 Speaker 1: Though, well, again we're just talking about the liability. So this the fact that she is now the. 00:20:13 Speaker 3: Official designation, meaning that there are certain laws that apply to Eric that prior to this did not. 00:20:19 Speaker 6: And if I had to ask you, how long how long do you guys think that this lasts? I mean, what what's a real I mean, is it we talking about a year and a half? Are we talking about you know, three months? 00:20:28 Speaker 5: Like what's the prediction? 00:20:30 Speaker 4: I mean, if you really want to know, if it's a capital case, if he gets the death penalty, he could this could be a thirty year thing. You've seen how often they love to drag these things out, even without that it's a it's a great cause of the left to get people who have life in prison out on parole somehow, especially if it is life without parole. We're given that promise all of the time and doesn't pan out. You see these things they love to commute sentences nasty. There are just people out there who love criminals. They love letting criminals get out, They love letting people who've committed heinous crimes rome free in society again. So I feel rather unfortunately, I just can't truly imagine this being over over for tragically many years, they'll find some way to perpetuate this case far beyond what it should be. 00:21:23 Speaker 6: Do we have any intel on how he's funding his defense? I mean, does he come from any money? 00:21:28 Speaker 1: Like it is? 00:21:29 Speaker 5: Are these public defenders? 00:21:30 Speaker 3: So it's a it comes from a public pot of money. And so who's given a public plot of money that was granted to him? This is also under youth governed by Utah law. Could I could pull up in a second. 00:21:44 Speaker 1: Exactly about his legal team. 00:21:46 Speaker 3: But yet it does come from a public pot of money they did give him act because it's a capital case, they are then giving him access to a higher amount of funds they would if then if it were a you know, if there was just a misdemeanor case, phony gates. Because the capital murder case, they are giving him access to far more fund because of course, this is why the state wants this, because they don't want let's say he's convicted. They don't want him to be able to come back around on to feel and say, oh, I had the ineffective you know, ineffective council or. 00:22:16 Speaker 1: Something like that got it. But yes it is. It is a taxpayer funded and we'll say. 00:22:21 Speaker 2: To people. 00:22:24 Speaker 9: This Christmas, you got to give the gift of food security to your friends and family with an amazing deal from our friends at My Patriots Supply. 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It sounds like he was frying while she was waiting for There was a portion of this that was held behind closed doors while they were sort of making the argument regarding the cameras, and Brian Netton mentioned that his mother was all At one point they asked for the family to stay in the courtroom, but then the Joe ashually asked them to leave the courtroom during the during the trial failure or during that argument phase, and said the mother was outside the courtroom, out of the courtroom, just crying. 00:24:09 Speaker 1: And look, I. 00:24:11 Speaker 3: Keep saying over and over, you know, for people who have been telling me that Tyler Robinson the plants, you know, this isn't this isn't real. Well, it's sort of like, guys, his parents were the ones who who turned him. 00:24:26 Speaker 1: In and if they thought their son was. 00:24:29 Speaker 3: Was innocent that if we falsely accused. You know, they have all the opportunity in the world to speak. 00:24:34 Speaker 8: The media, the eyes of the water on him today. Not one of them walked up the media and said my son was innocent. We have the Odwold thamously referred to himself to the Patsy. And you just don't see anyone from the family coming out and saying that that they believe he didn't do it. They believe he was innocent. 00:24:54 Speaker 1: Just that happened, and it certainly didn't happen today. Day the opportunity to be shosi if not. 00:24:59 Speaker 3: And look, we see these images of Pilate Robinson, sick images of him. I've just got a new image, by the way, I'm going to send it as well, just this sick image of him, very well, very clear that he's grinnamed and you know, caught in fourte. 00:25:17 Speaker 4: He just looks weird too. I guess that's not that's not the best. Yeah, there is, he really grinning. 00:25:23 Speaker 3: Well, Charlie's family is going to go through Christmas with oddly Dad, he's sitting there dreading. 00:25:29 Speaker 6: Can we not talk about how he looks like data O'Rourke has nobody made that comparison. 00:25:33 Speaker 4: Yet he does. Wow, he does. 00:25:37 Speaker 6: Kind was the first time I saw don't first time I saw that, Jack, You made a good point. 00:25:44 Speaker 5: I want to elaborate on it. 00:25:45 Speaker 6: That ruling was interesting when they said, hey, we need to clear out, we're going to make some decisions about cameras and we're going to have some debate on this, and I don't want the public in here, and they obviously, you know, the defense said hey, we want to request the family can and the judge did not go with them, right, the judge went with the prosecutors. But I find that to be very very interesting because a lot of times you'll see judges start to go one direction, and if early on they're going the direction of, hey, we're gonna, you know, be with the defense, that becomes a problem if you're obviously rooting for the prosecutors. And so I think some of these early decisions can kind of show what type of temperament the judge is going to have. 00:26:26 Speaker 5: And for the judge to say that Tyler. 00:26:27 Speaker 6: Robinson's family does not get special treatment, they are not allowed to stay in the courtroom, that all members of the public have to leave, I think that's a big win, and I don't think we should we should glance over that. That was a big ruling from the judge today. 00:26:41 Speaker 3: And so one of other things for people to understand is that is that so people are asking will Erica testify? And so likely I mean, it's certainly possible that anyone can call witnesses, but it's more likely that as a victim of presentative that she will giving a statement. 00:27:01 Speaker 1: Not during the trial phase. 00:27:03 Speaker 3: But there's two phases to a death penality trial and a definitely trial in those states. 00:27:07 Speaker 1: Including the state of you know state. 00:27:10 Speaker 3: In Utah that Dave, the victim doesn't testify until so there's a conviction. Then there's another phase with the conviction state, there are testimony brought in and that's when you hear what are called victim in fact statement, and those victim in fact statements are the ones that come in there. 00:27:27 Speaker 1: I'm told that we have a donation. 00:27:29 Speaker 4: Uh, yeah, well we have. We have Caden again. He's he's he's a frequent donor, So thank you again, Cad. He says, hey, friends, hope you are well today, and thank you very much, Kate. And we have a second one. But it's a it's a lighter topic, So I would like I don't want to hit it until we're ready to move on to the next one, because I don't want to take this very serious topic with it. But we are aware of your earlier one. Who is that from from b Jordan. We'll be reading off yours in a sec here. But do we have anything else we want to hit on this? 00:27:58 Speaker 1: Uh? This? 00:28:00 Speaker 5: I have one last question. Do we think that he testifies Robinson? 00:28:06 Speaker 4: I mean, technically we don't even know if he has. He hasn't entered a plea yet, correct. 00:28:10 Speaker 1: Not a formal plea. 00:28:11 Speaker 4: No, yeah, he might just plead guilty for all we know he could. 00:28:15 Speaker 3: So as far as we know, yes, he easily could. Just he could plead guilty. And I'm looking at the chat again. In the chat, just most people that are just appalled the. 00:28:26 Speaker 1: Same way that I am. To see him smiling, to see him grinning, lapping it up. 00:28:32 Speaker 3: Go ahead, man, lap it up, go ahead, he'd laughing it up, Lap it up as much as you want. 00:28:37 Speaker 1: Please continue to do so. 00:28:39 Speaker 4: Namar Stan asked, can they have cameras in the courtroom or not? They have not ruled on that for a trial. He ruled that they could have cameras in the courtroom today for today's hearing, but we do not have a ruling on the overall trial. We likely won't have that for many weeks. That is the cursed reality we live in. We all want to see this move more quickly, but. 00:29:02 Speaker 1: That is. 00:29:04 Speaker 4: The situation we have right now. If both if both of the. 00:29:07 Speaker 3: Sides hearing, the hearing is until Ebry third, So yeah, we got. 00:29:13 Speaker 1: Two months before we even get an ex hearing on that. 00:29:16 Speaker 4: Just yeah, it's it's a It's as stressful for us as it is for everyone else. I can assure you. 00:29:23 Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm blake. I actually when you say thirty years, I kind of hit me in the gut. 00:29:26 Speaker 5: But you're right. I mean, this thing could be a very, very long process. 00:29:30 Speaker 4: I mean, it's truly horrible. I was I once read in in the seventies. Uh, there was a serial killer in Houston and several of them. In fact, it was a group operation. So one of them died and the other went to prison for life, and due to some glorious quirk of the judicial system, that person is eligible for parole. And so they literally were a group that abducted children and murdered them. And every couple of years, the parents of one of their last victims have to go to the court to present their arguments for why the person who murdered their child should not be out on the streets again. And this we'll just this will continue as long as they are alive. And I just think about what a tragedy that is for a person who, like their entire life was a waste. They used it to destroy other people's lives, and we preserve them for some reason. I don't understand it. I don't understand why we moved away from justice as a principle that our state can wield. But that is what we have, and it leads to a lot of re traumatization of people like those parents, like Erica Kirk, like a lot of people. 00:30:43 Speaker 3: Well, Blake, are you familiar with that case in Cliff You might know this because the Philadelphia Mumia Abou. 00:30:48 Speaker 1: Jamal Fry, Mumia, no kill me. Yeah, so, Mumia, this is a guy who you think about this. 00:30:56 Speaker 3: He's killed a police obviously black panthers, who shot a police off officer in cold blood before I was born in nineteen eighty he killed him in nineteen eighty one, that he's sentenced to death in nineteen eighty two, and years and years and years go by. Twenty years go by, he's still alive. He's still in death row. He's filing a field, filing a field. The widow of. 00:31:20 Speaker 1: The police officer who is so young, Maureen. 00:31:22 Speaker 3: Faffner, the wife of Danny Fawkner, you know, widow of Danny Falkner, is begging over and over, we're just justice to be done on this. 00:31:31 Speaker 1: And then eventually, thirty years after the murder. 00:31:34 Speaker 3: Because things have become so woke in the city of Philadelphia that in twenty eleven, the prosecution simply agrees to change his sentence to life without parole. So he gets life without parole. He's in gen pop and this is what they can do there. 00:31:49 Speaker 1: Now. He became sort of a quasi celebrity. 00:31:52 Speaker 3: You have, you have like rage against the machine and all these people coming in for him, and so blake to your point, this is a big problem when we wait so long to execute murderers that emotions fade, memories fade, people move on to other things, and different narratives can get in. In this case, they waited so long that the case was actually taken away, the sentence was actually taken away, and now we just have life in closing. 00:32:20 Speaker 4: And there's a shortage of justice people. I think there is a psychic feeling across America that they think there's a lack of justice for things that have gone wrong. You often hear that in reference to COVID, that lockdowns were obviously a catastrophic decision. A ton of people suffered a lot, and then nobody ever was really held accountable financially, criminally, socially even for what they did. Like at a minimum, someone responsible for something that bad should feel a little ashamed to go outside and that never happened. And I do feel that's one of the important arguments in favor of capital punishment. There should be a high profile way something that goes on semi regularly if you're in a society with crimes that reminds you people who do grave works of evil will be ripped out of society like the cancers that they are. And I don't think it's a surprise that when you have a society afraid to execute the worst malefactors, you have a society that is increasingly detached from any principle of right and wrong. Whatsoever. 00:33:27 Speaker 2: Look, I know there are a lot of choices when it comes to who you choose for your cell phone service. There are new ones popping up all the time. But the truth is there's only one that boldly stands in the gap for every American that believes that freedom is worth fighting for, and that is Patriot Mobile. 00:33:42 Speaker 9: For more than twelve years, Patriot Mobile has been on the front lines fighting for our God given rights of freedom while also providing exceptional nationwide cell phone service with access to all three of the main networks. 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I mean Trump's first term, the First. 00:34:33 Speaker 6: Step Act, right, A lot of people in the right criminal justice reform, we were all about it. 00:34:38 Speaker 5: But here's the big difference. We were talking non violent. 00:34:41 Speaker 6: And this is where I think a lot of people on the left have kind of lost it, not just with defund the police, but it becomes. 00:34:46 Speaker 5: At any law in the books. 00:34:47 Speaker 6: You know, we need to have sympathy for those because the justice system is flawed and it's just not true. Right, Obviously the justice system can be flawed, but this idea of like soft on crime across the board, it's kind of this vicious like they're just all in on that. And to me, like you said, when you have these things that are very very much not what I would call nonviolent, these horrific crimes, I think it should be the opposite. Like you said, we should make an example of these. 00:35:14 Speaker 5: People, and I took. 00:35:15 Speaker 6: Look, I spent a lot of time being against the death penalty, probably ten years, and to be frank with you guys, This was probably the moment where I realized when. 00:35:23 Speaker 5: Something hit close to home with somebody that we knew. 00:35:27 Speaker 1: That. 00:35:28 Speaker 6: You know, it's easy to theorize about that and to say, well, you know, I don't trust the government to kill somebody, but in certain circumstances it is very justified, and obviously I believe this is one of those. 00:35:39 Speaker 4: We got a question from a Gibberish nation asked, can the FEDS go back and charge Robinson with causing Charlie to lose his federal rights by murder and thereby seek the death penalty if it is not obtained through the state court. I suppose the most important question is is that do you guys know is that a capital offense? Deprivation of civil rights? In that matter, that would be an important question. Obviously we have you. 00:36:04 Speaker 3: Would you would you would have to charge him with a form of terrorism. 00:36:07 Speaker 1: I wouldieve to be a capital of them. 00:36:09 Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be my guess. 00:36:12 Speaker 4: I'm sure that entered their mind as a way terrorism. Maybe they could get some sort of federal murder charge. They're always creative with those. If they cross, if they if they cross federal property to do it, or something like that. I wouldn't be surprised if that's on the table. But part of that is that's one of the things about it taking so long. Are you going to suddenly come in and charge him if this verdict is finally reached a year from now, a year and a half from now, that is something I'm not sure of. I'm sure they would make a show of it. But again, by the time that would be done, you might be in a new presidential administration, might be a Democrat. 00:36:50 Speaker 5: And let's be careful what we wish for. 00:36:52 Speaker 6: Obviously we want justice for Charlie, but you don't want to get in the habit of the federal government coming in and finding some law or something that they can what's John Stossel's book, Three Felonies a Day right, if the. 00:37:02 Speaker 5: Government wants to come If the government wants to come after you, they can. 00:37:07 Speaker 1: So. 00:37:07 Speaker 6: I do want justice here, but let's just get the win here in Utah and not try to find a way the federal government can come in and try to Yeah the answer the questions, Yes, of course, if the Feds wanted to do it, they could try to do it. 00:37:20 Speaker 5: Be unprecedented, but they could try to do it. 00:37:23 Speaker 6: I don't think we want to be in the position where the federal government God willing, it's not jd vance after twenty eight I don't want them backdating things and coming after us for random acts that they deem as some sort of federal offense. 00:37:36 Speaker 3: No, but you can, I mean, you certainly can add that if Jared Chauvin got federal charges added to his state charges, so I mean, this wouldn't be the first time that there were two sets of cases. And I'm not saying it's prudent necessarily do so, but certainly, just in a basic answer to the question, yes, the federal government can do that and certainly have the right to do that. 00:37:59 Speaker 4: They didn't, all right, it looks like it looks like I just want to say because they did donate, and we always try to read those I said, I do it when we got change topics. But the chat is super locked into this topic. So I think we're staying zeroed in on the Robinson saga. But I wanted to call this so b Jordan two four five six three donated twenty dollars and said, appreciate the show, guys, We appreciate you. Jordan, hoping the Sharon more situation might come up this week. For those who don't know, the coach of Michigan football got caught. I believe impregnating an undergraduate not advised. That would be an amazing topic. But we have a more serious topic that is very close to our hearts that does deserve our full attention this week. But I agree, it is a very fun story. And again, thank you for your support, thank you for tuning in. But yeah, on this one, yeah, you're you're right, turning point. We have to stay focused for Charlie. We have to watch this case we anyone else. Someone's just to Chad eighty nine says Antifa being a terrorist organization could be a for a federal charge. I guess you would have to find You would have to be able to prove that he even considered himself acting as an agent of Antifa. So that would be something where if we have a very thorough look at his discorded messages, any chat groups he was in, you might be able to find that. But if he's not, if he never uses Antifa to describe himself, if he's not in contact, that could be tough. It's always there are things that can bring you down, So I don't. I guess I would encourage us to view this trial as by far our best shot to get the accountability we want for Robinson, and we would only consider alternatives if that's just not going to come to pass. That's my thought. 00:39:43 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:39:43 Speaker 3: And also as an example of the Maggioni case, depending on where you take this, you know, you got to make sure you have a judge that actually believes in up holding the law. So the leading Magdioni was charged under federal terrorism and. 00:39:55 Speaker 1: Do you judge in that case? 00:39:57 Speaker 3: This liberal yards actually threw it out, threw out the terrorism charge because he said that, well, this isn't terrorism. That when Magdioni murdered the healthcare CEO, and the judge, as a liberal, said that it wasn't terrorism because it was only murdering one person and that his actions weren't intended to cause harm or intimidation to others, despite the fact that he was like Tyler, Robinson wrote political slogan on the bullet had a manifesto, had all the intent in the world to spark what he called justice for you know, it's probably issues in the healthcare system and equality and the healthcare system and yet the judge said, and the judge actually part of the ruling in that because in the New York just beeven a state judge. 00:40:46 Speaker 1: So I made to double tacked myself. 00:40:49 Speaker 3: But I remember it was a terrorism charge and I thought, I'm talking about it. But he said that the rate of the statute was written was that it affected. 00:40:57 Speaker 1: Harm to civilians and under the state. 00:41:00 Speaker 3: Actually we ruled that healthcare workers don't count as a civilian because that only means the public at large. I mean, it was the most twisted ruling and the most twisted reading of the statute. 00:41:11 Speaker 1: That I've ever seen. And I'm like, this guy. 00:41:13 Speaker 3: Must obviously be a liberal to say that, oh, well, if you work for a healthcare company, you're not a civilian. It's like, yeah, that's exactly how all marks think. 00:41:21 Speaker 6: Yeah, at one point I'll make I mean, you know, I've seen a lot of these different cases where the law can say, you know, the sky is blue, but if a judge says, hey, you know today it's red, it's like it really, once again, there are flaws in the justice system, and some of these judges and some of the rulings. 00:41:38 Speaker 5: It can be as clear as day to all of us. 00:41:40 Speaker 6: And you know, I mean, these judges are elected, right or they're appointed by somebody that we elected, and that system is supposed to work, but sometimes it's just broken and it stinks and you got to power through it. 00:41:50 Speaker 1: And so. 00:41:53 Speaker 3: I've been asked, say what what is the psychology of a Robin sint And I'll let you guys this, So do you guys know? So a Robin so Robin Zimbb is who and not just ask questions about the public narrative. Let you asked a question, do you I ask a questions about evidence? To ask questions about the FBI? Fine, go ahead, person, mimm right. But there are people that are full on Tyler Robin Zimberg who were just. 00:42:15 Speaker 1: Like this guy didn't do it. I don't believe the parents. 00:42:17 Speaker 3: I don't believe any of it. You know, he needs to get off. We need we need to work to get him off. And that makes you a Robinzimberg. 00:42:24 Speaker 7: This is Lane Schoenberger, chief investment officer and founding partner of y REFI. It has been an honor and a privilege to partner with Turning Point and for Charlie to endorse us. His endorsement means the world to us, and we look forward to continuing our partnership with Turning Point for years to come. Now hear Charlie in his own words, tell you about why Refi. 00:42:44 Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you guys about why refight dot com. That is why are e f y dot com. Why refi is incredible private student loan debt in America told us about three hundred billion dollars. 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I only eat amateur burgers. 00:43:42 Speaker 1: Jack, Yeah, so have you. 00:43:43 Speaker 3: But do you guys remember Brian Coburger as in the murderer up in Idaho of those sorority girls. 00:43:50 Speaker 4: Oh oh, the guy who looks like Richard Hanania crossed with Josh Holly and. 00:43:55 Speaker 3: It kind of looked a little bit like like Robinson anything. 00:43:58 Speaker 1: He doesn't lie. 00:43:59 Speaker 3: So the pro Burgers are a subset of the true crime community where they completely believe that Brian Coburger is innocent, that he was set up, that someone else did that, and they have formed it's kind of a mini cult. They have this parasocial relationship with a variety of people who leave the pro Burger cult, and it's basically like a fandom cult of him. They have shrine, they have song, they have like edits of Brian Coburger. Obviously, you see this a lot with the leading MAGIONI through rating and you see you even see people taking trips to go and visit the places associated with Brian Cooberger because they believe so strongly in his h in his innocence. But it's beyond, it's so far beyond just you know, oh, I think this guy didn't do it. It's literally become their identity because I don't know if it's like you don't have meaning at home or you're disconnected and disassociated with life. It is female coded. Bad to say it is true, it's it's very female coded. Where yeah, they will completely allow this to subsume their identity. 00:45:14 Speaker 4: Well, what's funny is I have to imagine really deep down they would not want him to be innocent because clearly their actual thought is that he did do it. They just this is weird to say. They think it's hot. I guess, like he's this dark killer person. Like, I don't think they would find this guy. 00:45:31 Speaker 1: Terribly hypristophelia what's that one? Hypothelia? So hyperstophelia is a high bristol. I'm sorry my audio is being messed up again. So hy Bristophelia is a paraphilia. 00:45:46 Speaker 3: It's a type of sexual attraction for people who commit serious crimes. He saw this with the Columbine shooters. They see this with a variety of fillers. He saw this with the Boston Bombers, Bilders on I have where people who are I believe it was, oh god, there are Ted Bundy got married while he was still in jail, and you know, they they believe that they are super attracted sexually to bad boys, criminals, medians, and they want those typical risky, you know, risky relationships, and so they're attracted to criminals. So yeah, Ped Bundy, I wouldn't surprise me if there were people who were attracted to Jeffrey Dahmer. It's absolutely a certain paraphilia that's out there, and it's this desire for intent risky relationship. 00:46:33 Speaker 4: Yeah, you want to Jeffrey Dahmer get letters in jail just saying like please eat me, Jeffrey please. 00:46:39 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:46:39 Speaker 6: And this is this is why you see I mean a lot of the true crime documentaries. It's kind of wild to me how many of these serial killers have so many lovers right that they're exchanging letters with me. And it directly comes from, like you said that, that weird desire to be with the bad boys. 00:46:54 Speaker 4: If you will, you even get funnier version, funny subversions of that, Like didn't Martin Screlley had that journalist fall in love with him while he was in jail, and I think she did she leave her she like left her boyfriend or even left her husband over it. And this was a purely non physical relationship. He was in prison the whole time, and then he got out and I think they quite promptly broke up once he was out of prison. 00:47:17 Speaker 1: Weird, weird, Yeah, Martin Strelley exactly. But Martin Skerelley do nothing wrong. 00:47:23 Speaker 5: Jack's part of the cult. I love it. 00:47:26 Speaker 1: You know, Martin Skelley was not a murderer. Martin Strelley was a farmer. 00:47:29 Speaker 5: Bro Oh, okay, got I got it. 00:47:31 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a little like his his crime. It felt odd it. I just felt like it wasn't spectacular enough to get a woman swooning for you over it, but she was really into it. And then he man. I haven't heard about that guy since he kind of tried to get Baron Trump into that crypto thing. But I guess that's getting a little off topic. 00:47:50 Speaker 3: He's on Twitter. I see him there every once in a while. He does like spaces and stuff and guys just do me favor. Through that picture of Tyl Robinson up again, from the court today. Please do that much of good things with all of us. Just do it, because there is something I want to say. 00:48:07 Speaker 1: When we look this picture. 00:48:09 Speaker 3: It is not the behavior of a patsy. Guys, this is not the behavior. This is not the way it would look. This is not the way that a person would comfort themselves if they were thinking, Oh I was set up, Oh I shouldn't be here, Oh you got you gotta get me out. 00:48:24 Speaker 1: I was falsely accused. This guy doesn't look upset at all. 00:48:27 Speaker 3: I didn't know here we got in a single one of these images or videos, any image of him actually looking upset. 00:48:34 Speaker 1: It's not there. 00:48:35 Speaker 3: He's happy, he's grinning, he's smug. He's smug about what he did. And look, you know, say what you. 00:48:41 Speaker 1: Want about me. I don't really care. 00:48:42 Speaker 3: Honestly, I've never cared people, probably all sorts of things. But this guy, this guy's sitting there looking slug. He's sitting there looking smug. It's simple as that. 00:48:52 Speaker 6: The other thing that bothers me is the longer that this case goes, it's just going to continuously be more attention. I mean, obviously I want attention to honor Charlie, but It's just going to be more fodder for all the trolls, right, every time that this is live, every time it's out there, every time there's something new, and this grin obviously, you know, the first time we're seeing him, it should make us all burn inside. And I'm sure the people that you know praise him, and the people that celebrated the death of Charlie, you know, they love seeing that, right, This gives them something else to share, something else to celebrate. 00:49:20 Speaker 5: And they're just pieces of garbage. I'm gonna continue to say. 00:49:23 Speaker 3: That, absolute and utter pieces of garbling garbage pad something. 00:49:29 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, we have we have a good we have a nice message. We have this one from Kyrie McCallan. Another I see her in the chat all the time. Kyrie donated to ten and says, please give us who love Charlie, his family, the Charlie Kirk Show team and all the teams of Turning Point, some practical ways that we can share the arrows, as Ali Stuckey says, that are being directed at all of you. You know, I think the best way is uh no know the details of this case read the indictment. Charging documents are online that the evidence against him is online and you can also go read a search a guy named Turkey Tom. There's a video you can look up called I Believe it is the man who killed Charlie Kirk. Obviously he's presumed innocent, but that is the title of the video. Let me make sure I have that exactly right. Ohait, it is titled the man who Killed Charlie Kirk. And there's also a if you prefer reading, there's a substack post that you can find by the same person. And what it gets into is it gets into the evidence about his personal life, his relationship with his boyfriend, the evidence you know that the stuff people have said is weird, such as him calling his boyfriend my love in their messages, the guy saying that is in fact how they talk to each other. If you guys want to help share the arrows, learn those facts because the most common thing you see is you see the Robin simps as as they're calling them. Who are going to just say, oh, he's a patsy. Oh there's no evidence for this. Oh, I think it's all fake. In truth, I think they're saying this because this is a drawn out process and not enough of it is on TV. Basically for them to feel like it's real, but it is real. The evidence in this case, we believe is quite strong. If we thought it was fake, if we thought they had the wrong guy, we would obviously be freaking out because we care deeply that the correct person be brought to justice for this. So the best way you can share those arrows is know those facts. So if it comes up in passing, you're able to say, oh, man, did you hear about this? Did you hear about the stuff that they were into? Did you hear about this nesting? Because it really is a bizarre case. You could make a fascinating There will be fascinating true crime documentaries about all of this one day, because it is lurid. It is incredibly a setting to see the life, the lives that these people were leading, and to think that this allowed a person to go and to just go and randomly strike down a person as great as Charlie. So maybe you have your own thoughts, Cliff, but that's my thought on how to share the load. 00:52:16 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, of course referring to you know, the public perception of what's happening in the trial, But I also want to say what Charlie want us to do to share the arrows is to go do the work. 00:52:26 Speaker 1: Right. 00:52:26 Speaker 6: Obviously, I'm not always going to pitch that we got to be out chasing ballots, but I wouldn't be doing my job if I didn't get out there, you know, get involved, find a way to advance our cause when it comes to the political scene, when it comes to the ideology of trying to reach new people, that's the way to share it, right. I'm not saying you have to ignore the trial. Obviously we're all going to follow along. 00:52:44 Speaker 5: We're rooting for justice for Charlie. 00:52:46 Speaker 6: But at the same time we have to double down. We have to go out there. Turning Point has to survive. Turning Point has to thrive in terms of not just campus, but all the Turning Point action, all the efforts, the things that we're doing. 00:52:59 Speaker 5: That's what this is all about. And when I think. 00:53:01 Speaker 6: About what Charlie would be telling me right now, it would be yes, honor him, follow the trial. 00:53:07 Speaker 5: But at the end of the day, we cannot get distracted. 00:53:11 Speaker 6: And what I mean by that is not that we're gonna not give him the homage that he deserves, but he would want us to do the work and So for all of you out there that have done certain things, whether it's twenty twenty four or before, twenty twenty six is coming up, and that's a huge opportunity for us to get involved and to truly make a difference when it comes to figuring out ways to do the work as Charlie would want us. 00:53:34 Speaker 4: To do exactly exactly Like in the end, a lot of the nastiest stuff that's said, it's said because it wants to it wants to hurt the mission. It's people on the left who promoted, oh, actually a maga guy did this. They say that for ideologically motivated reasons, and people from other aspects do it. They want to ultimately, for whatever thing is going through their head, they want to tear down the things that Charlie fought for, the things that Charlie died for. And so along with what I suggested, Cliff is absolutely right to do the work. You want to be engaged. If you're in Indiana, we've been talking about that. They just had that vote on their redistricting map and it failed. It failed not because of Democrats, it failed because of Republicans. And so we've been saying, turning point, action will be taking action on that. If you're in that state, that is an easy way to get involved with something right now that is relevant. But I know other people are saying they want to find out other facts. Some people mentioned Paramount Tactical. I was just looking at their videos the other day. They have great videos just talking about the details of the case, how we can know what happened or why some things people are saying about the bullet. For example, there's been a lot of claims, oh, this bullet could not possibly have been what killed Charlie. And there's some great Paramount Tacticals one. There's other gun experts who've dived into that, and believe me, you'll hear from more. You'll hear more from us on that in just a matter of a few days. But we have I think one more message here and then we'll close it out because we have this hard out here. Eb Dim the Ninth, Ebdim the Ninth me I'll go with that, Ebdom the Ninth, be blessed in the Lord, Brother Blake and crew. Thank you so much for that. Thank you to everyone who tuned in for this, and we'll see you next week, amfest. I believe we're doing thought crime on stage at Amfest next week. We encourage you to tune into that, and tune into every other part of Amfest until then, and until always, keep committing thought crime. 00:55:41 Speaker 7: For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to Charliekirk dot com