Thomas Massie: Hero or Villain?

00:00:03 Speaker 1: My name is Charlie kirk I run the largest pro American student organization in the country, fighting for the future of our republic. My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth. If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're gonna end up miserable. But if the most important thing is doing good, you'll end up purposeful. College is a scam, everybody. You got to stop sending your kids to college. You should get married as young as possible and have as many kids as possible. 00:00:31 Speaker 2: Go start at turning point. 00:00:32 Speaker 1: You would say college chapter. Go start at turning point, yould say high school chapter. Go find out how your church can get involved. Sign up and become an activist. 00:00:39 Speaker 2: I gave my. 00:00:39 Speaker 1: Life to the Lord in fifth grade, most important decision I ever made in my life, and I encourage you to do the same. Here I am Lord, Use me. Buckle up, everybody, Here we go. 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We've got Massy, we got Cassidy Lots going on there, and then Eli Steele, the son of the great Shelby Steele, talking about race, race relations, what's really behind all of our dysfunction. So a pack show. We've got some Iran news to get to, of course, repeatedly, but Luigi Mangioni is back in the news this morning. Obviously, that's a topic that strikes near and dear to our heart here on the Charlie Kirk show, Luigimangioni in a big way contributed to this rise of assassination culture. It's something that Charlie was very worried about. And just this morning Judge Caro, who's overseeing the state case here, has ruled that the backpack that was next to Luigi Mangioni in the McDonald's where he was arrested. So he's sitting at a table, there's a backpack either on a table adjacent to him or on the floor, and they have it has been ruled that the contents of that backpack are inadmissible. That includes they will be pressed. Yes, his cell phone. 00:02:55 Speaker 3: His passport, magazine, I assume is it a gun magazine, bullet man, the bullet magazine, while it and computer computer chip. 00:03:03 Speaker 2: I'm not sure what the computer chip is here. Let's go ahead and play that scene from inside the courtroom. SOT thirteen. 00:03:10 Speaker 4: I find that the search of the backpack at the McDonald's was improper warrantless search, that the backpack was not within the immediate control or gravable area of the defendant, and further, the people failed to demonstrate exegitgen circumstances. Therefore, those items found in the backpack during the search at the McDonald's will be suppressed. However, the people have established that the subsequent search of the backpack at the station was a valid inventory search, and therefore the items are recovered at the station will not be suppressed. 00:03:48 Speaker 2: All right, So the items recovered at the station include the gun, which is key obviously here. But just to go into this rule because I had to look it up when this ruling came through. No, it is typically not illegal to search a suspect's backpack when they have been apprehended under the search incident to a lawful arrest exception to the Fourth Amendment, meaning that for the officer safety, if the backpack is enter around the person that's been arrested, the suspect in this case, then the immediate association with the suspect that's been lawfully apprehended is then fair game. They should be able to search that. There is, however, some exceptions, So if the suspect is in the car and like the police car in the back he's handcuffed and they haven't searched the backpack yet, they may need to get a warrant for that. So this looks to be basically a gray area. My question for this judge would be, what was to say that there wasn't a bomb inside that backpack? 00:04:52 Speaker 3: Ye, it's very strange. You could hear it in the clip where he's saying essentially the backpack was Basically it sounds like too far away from Louis when they detained, Like, what's the distance he were holding the backpack? They could have searched it, but I guess it was maybe on the other side of the table or the cops could get between him. 00:05:08 Speaker 2: It sounds very very ticky tack either tick tack. So, just so you know, the idea of a backpack or a possession being in the immediate association or vicinity of a suspect. This includes clothing, wallets, purses, and backpacks that the person is wearing, caring, or had in their immediate possession. The justification is officer safety, are there any weapons and preserving evidence? So if the backpack is separated from the suspect as a suspect just being secure handcuffed in a patrol car under control with no realistic access. Some courts, like the Fourth Circuit have provided the reasoning that may require a warrant or other justification treating it more like a container as opposed to part of the person. So that's obviously what the judge has ruled here. Apparently by cam footage was used in this hearing to come to this ruling. Very very frustrating though, because obviously they had probable cause, they checked his ID, they arrested him at the McDonald's. The backpack was on the floor or on the table. So two questions the immediately come to mind. What is the distance away from the suspect that it all of a sudden becomes a warranted surge. And by the way, again, what if there was a bomb in the backpack? This feels absolutely like the judge is sympathetic to LUIGIMAGGIONI a cold blooded murderer, an assassin. 00:06:40 Speaker 3: Well, so okay, on the flip side, we should emphasize you see two different headlines and it kind of shows I think, different perspectives of media outlets because some Fox, certainly they're leading with all of this evidence is getting suppressed it's a big win. But other publications are emphasizing they are allowed to use his gun and they are allowed to use his diary, and I suspect that means that they're allowed to use his manifesto, which is two hundred and sixty pages or words approximately, saying basically, he's motivated by how angry he is about the health care system, and that's pretty strong evidence overall, so I think we can be hopeful there's still a lot here. What I will say is the uneasy feeling I've had, you've had, I think a lot of people have had, is it seems like every couple months we get a new development, and it's always away from what we want. So first they're going to seek the death penalty with him. Now they can't seek the death penalty for whatever reason. And now they're suppressing some evidence. Maybe next time other evidence is going to get suppressed. 00:07:38 Speaker 2: It's always one. 00:07:39 Speaker 3: Little development after another in favor of this guy, who we should remind everyone heinously murdered. 00:07:46 Speaker 2: It seems a stranger in. 00:07:48 Speaker 3: Cold blood, a father because he was angry about the industry the man worked in, which the man did not create. The man did not really perpetuate. He was just a CEO of a health insurance company. By the way, guys, I'll have you know, health insurance is not the reason US healthcare is expensive. 00:08:05 Speaker 2: No, well, this is the thing. So big Farmer is watching this whole show trial go on and they're overjoyed. Right. That was an observation that Walter Kern made and I agree with it. And basically it's a giant distraction from the fact that this man is a cold blooded killer who is sparking this rise in assassination culture. We'll let Charlie take it away here toot sixteen. 00:08:27 Speaker 1: Look, you've got two options. You can go Maga or Maggionism. You can go Maga, or you can go mam Donniism. You can go Maga or you can know Muhammedism. It's very funny how all the ms Maga is the only option on the right. Neo conservators are not coming back the corporate oligarchs. We're not gonna let happen. So Maga has cemented the worldview of the American right, but the left we don't know it. Could go Maggioni, which is the most extreme. You could go mam donni which is very very extreme. Or you go mohammediuh Muhammedism, which is just you know, Muslim Islamic takeover. You get reform, or you get revolution. We at Magawan reform stuff. Political undercurrent underneath MAGGIONI that cannot be ignored, that should not be dismissed. And that political reality is that is on the American. 00:09:15 Speaker 2: Left one percent. Right, all right, So I want to get into Iran updates here. It's very important. Okay. So President Trump issued a couple new truths over the weekend. It felt like the rhetoric is ramping up once more because the back and forth seems to be with Iran via the pakistanis impossible to reach a deal. Their whole strategy does seem to be waiting out the clock. So go ahead and throw up this truth. It says for Iran, the clock is ticking and they better get moving fast or there won't be anything left of them. Time is of the essence. President DJT. Now, this is in reaction to again negotiations that are ongoing that seem to be netting approximately zero. Now. Over the weekend, we did hear reports that fuel shortages within Iran are starting to accumulate. This was from an Israeli source to Fox News saying they're seeing lines at the gas pump. They are running out of energy, which is ironic. They're having to start plugging some of their wells, which if you know anything about oil extraction, once you plug those wells, you might not be able to open them. Ever. Again, they've run out of storage. They're finding anything they can to store this. The economies in free fall, inflations off the charts, and it doesn't seem to matter to these guys. They are simply playing the long game. They are basically pointing to the fact that America has a short patience, short amount of patients for this war, and that President Trump is incurring political costs, so they're gonna wait it out. 00:10:50 Speaker 3: It's I mean, it's in a lot of ways. It's that dynamic where they might be vastly weaker, but they also care vastly more. There was a line Ho Chi Minh, who was the leader of North Vietnam and supposedly had a line that says, you can kill one hundred of my guys for every one of I kill of yours, but still I am going to win and you're going to lose because I am just that much more fanatical about it. And so, yeah, their economy is vastly worse than ours. They've taken vastly more losses than us, but they're thought. 00:11:23 Speaker 2: They're not. They're not a democracy. 00:11:24 Speaker 3: They don't have to worry about midterm election, they don't have to worry about a Congress getting in the way. They can just say, we'll make our country suffer as much as it takes to drag this out. Yeah, and here's the thing. 00:11:37 Speaker 2: At some point, there's really only two options left on the table. Either you decide to hit them hard again militarily and you start taking out additional targets and you accelerate the kinetic activity in the region. You break the peace fire and you make them cry uncle that way, or at least attempt to. I'm not sure you can as essentially where we're at militarily, but that would be one way. You know, China has said that they were going to stop supplying anything to Iran based on that last meeting with President she and President Trump. However, they'll say a lot of things publicly. Whether they'll follow through on anything, we're still struggling to get China to follow through buying our soybeans for goodness six, So that's a whole question. They said they were gonna buy five hundred Boeing planes. They've only bought two hundred, so on and so forth. This is the way that the Chinese works, so getting them to follow through with anything. We're also seeing reports that there is actual caravans going overland to get through the sea blockade through you know, about a dozen different countries from China over to Iran. So we know that they're still supplying them with something, right, that the regime is desperate, they'll they'll use other means, and those those caravans have been ramping up, all right. So the question then is can you simply declare victory, say get hey, we got what we could. We tried our best. We destroyed their military installations, we destroyed their nuclearpit capacity. Yeah, we'd love to have the we'd love to have the nuclear dust. We'd love to have all the uranium out of there. Even President Trump said they basically it would be very difficult for them to get that out. It would take a very very long time. It's a question of whether or not they could get the nuclear dust out or not. But he said I would feel better getting it. Okay, Well, you would feel better, but it's not necessarily a must have. Maybe all right, so can you just declare victory and get out? Can we just say, hey, listen, it's up to the Iranium people. Now we declare victory. Everything is copacetic. As far as we're concerned, we did a good thing. We're out. If you push us again, we'll be back. But don't push us. 00:13:41 Speaker 3: Well, the downside there is Iran has also shown they're willing to push it a little bit. And if they say, okay, well we're gonna go back to putting a toll on the streets, we're still going to close the straight. 00:13:51 Speaker 2: Yeah, or you just I guess option three would be status quo. You just keep the blockade up. But I'm telling you that that the economic impacked of that a toll on a huge container of oil is one thing. Yeah, it drives up the price a little bit, maybe like a dollar a barrel, But could you absorb it globally? Probably? Right, So it's not ideal, But even the Chinese don't want that. So my point is, could you domestically And here's the concern. If the audience is wondering why I'm concerned domestically, this is having political ramifications. I am thinking about the midterms, and we want to win the win midterms. There is a very good chance based on redistricting based on the Supreme Court decision that we would be closer in the midterms than we thought, even with all the political headwinds, even given the economic or sorry, the historic precedent of you usually lose seats during a midterm race when you're the incumbent power. So the question is can we when you got essentially what's left like depending on whose math you're using, eleven to fourteen tasup seats, can you win half of those? Can you do that and retain control of the House? These are really really important questions for the next two years of the Trump administration. Can you avoid impeachments? Can you avoid the House getting bogged down in constant investigations, chasing the tail the mainstream news media, legacy media going crazy with every new thing that they come out that Tamu Obama comes out with. Can we avoid that fate? And I believe that a big chunk of that is what is the price at the pump? What is going on in Iran? Desperately? I am one of those people that I want to see this wrapped up sooner than. 00:15:34 Speaker 3: We said at the outset that this was not something that the base had voted for. But if it ended in a few weeks, even if they were annoyed, they would get over it. But now those several weeks have passed. We're two and a half months into it at this point, and if this is still going to the midterms or when the midterms arrive, we should just be frank, I think it will be very bad for the party, all right. 00:16:00 Speaker 2: If you are like me, you are looking at summer thinking about all the fun stuff that you want to do, ensuring that your family and you have many, many rich memories, and ensuring that everything that you've built is protected. I don't know, if you've got like a road trip coming up, or a vacation, some beach place, whatever it is, you gotta feel an urgency. You gotta sense that urgency to protect your family. 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Let's talk about the serious part first. 00:18:18 Speaker 2: All right, let's do that. 00:18:19 Speaker 6: Get to the funny thing. 00:18:21 Speaker 5: It'll we will never stop. It's the it's so funny and it will it will. It will keep people listening because you will not believe what we're going to share. 00:18:30 Speaker 2: But it's so ridiculous. Anyways, I'm gonna play. First of all, rededicate to fifty. This was an opportunity to rededicate our nation to prayer, to God, to worshiping the Lord. Uh, basically rearticulating what the founders believed, right and what the founding of our nation was. Christian it was and JD. Vance did a great job. You gave a shout out to Charlie when he did it, And so I'll start there. Sot one. 00:18:55 Speaker 7: It was obvious to the founders that our faith was the ground upon which a Marria stands. It was our very foundation as a people. And if this foundation were to crumble, so too would the very values that make us Americans. From our religious inheritance comes many of the virtues and institutions we most cherish as a people, our system of justice, our generosity to neighbors, our respect for conscience, and the moral discipline necessary for liberty itself. As my dear friend, the late Great Charlie Kirk put it, all, law reflects a morality. Neither law nor morality appears in a vacuum, but ultimately come from religion. And the morality and religion that formed the American consciousness were decidedly Christian, founded upon the principles and the divinity of Jesus Christ. 00:19:51 Speaker 2: Pretty well said there, Eric. 00:19:53 Speaker 5: Yes, listen, Yesterday was an historic moment in the history of this nation. 00:19:58 Speaker 6: This was a a an epical moment. 00:20:03 Speaker 5: First of all, we have a president who declared on May seventeenth, we are going to rededicate the nation to God. 00:20:12 Speaker 6: Nobody twisted his arm. He didn't have to do that, but he did it. 00:20:17 Speaker 5: And yesterday, which was May seventeenth, we officially, in many ways rededicated the nation to God. 00:20:26 Speaker 6: This is a huge thing. 00:20:28 Speaker 5: And as you know, Andrew, because I showed you my new book. I mean, because I have written a book on the Revolution, which is coming out in a couple of weeks. I have done the research to see that there is no way that America comes into being apart from the revolutionaries, these great men looking directly to God. 00:20:50 Speaker 6: But we've been living in. 00:20:51 Speaker 5: A time where secularists have pushed that away, pushed that away. 00:20:56 Speaker 6: We need to go back to the founding. 00:20:58 Speaker 5: We need to go back to how did we get to be a nation where we govern ourselves? It comes from looking directly to God. They didn't get this in the French Revolution, which is why it went sideways in ten minutes and turns into a bloodbath. Our revolutionaries, from John Adams on down, they understood, we're going back to the Sinai Covenant. Like the Israelites in the wilderness, We're going to govern ourselves because we look directly to God. And so yesterday was a great day on the National Mall. So many wonderful people were there. The President read from Second Chronicles the famous passage. I mean, just an amazing moment in American history. And I believe as a result of what happened yesterday, we're going to feel it because that's a real thing. Really did this, and the House Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson says, we hereby. You know, it's like the government doesn't need to do this, but here we have the Speaker of the House saying this officially, as a member of the United States government, we hereby rededicate the nation to the God of the Bible. 00:22:02 Speaker 2: It was a huge. 00:22:03 Speaker 5: Moment and I was privileged to be one of the speakers. And I just I can't say how happy I am that we did this. I expect to see things. 00:22:12 Speaker 6: Are going to happen because we have officially turned to God and the way we did yesterday. 00:22:18 Speaker 2: Well, and that's so scriptural too, Eric, where we wait on the Lord, you know, with expectation of him doing something in our midst of him acting and moving in our in our country, in our politics, in our families. Right, And I totally agree with you that when we rededicate ourselves to the Lord, when we repent, when we cry out to him that he will heal our land, that he will bring righteousness in ways that we haven't seen maybe for a while. And I pray that that is so true. And when it's coming from the headship of the of the country, namely the political leaders that have been elected by we the people. I do believe that there is a powerful exchange that happens in the spiritual realms. We are not in a war against flesh and blood, but against powers and principalities. Things move when we pray and we rededicate ourselves to the Lord. 00:23:08 Speaker 5: Well, the important thing I think to say is that this is historical, or I should say, we're being faithful to American history. This is not like a bunch of Christians got some crazy idea by doing this. And I write about this in my new book Revolution. I didn't know this really until I did the research. It's not deniable that the men who rebelled against England and said we're going to take up arms to defend our rights. Our rights are given from God. They had a keen sense that this is what the Bible says, and we're doing this because this is what God says to do. So it was not a secular revolution like the French Revolution. They themselves understood this. And I write about it because I think most Americans are a little bit we've forgotten how radically explicitly Christian the revolution was. 00:24:08 Speaker 6: And now I have to be clear. 00:24:09 Speaker 5: This doesn't mean we impose our faith, and neither did George Washington or John Adams want to impose their faith. They believe in freedom of religion. So if you want to be an atheist, if you want to be a Muslim, or you don't want to believe in anything, or you want to be in they said, the government's not going to force you. But where do we get this great idea of freedom of religion. We get it from the Bible. It comes out of the Reformation, is that religion cannot be forced. We are not radical Muslims that are going to convert people by the sword. We are not radical atheists that will throw you in prison. We believe in religious liberty because we believe freedom comes out of the Bible. All the founders quoted Deuteronomy more than any other book, so it is everywhere in our founding. And what we're doing is we're going back to the beginnings. We're saying, you know what makes America great again? We want to make America great again. What made America great in the first place. That is what made America great in the first place. Everybody needs to know that we can't be great again, unless we know what made us great in the beginning. And I think of the two fiftieth, the super centennial year, this is the time for us to relearn what many of us, myself included, had forgotten or weren't so clear on. 00:25:23 Speaker 3: I mean, as you guys have been saying, it really is of existential importance for real. Charlie loved that line John Adams that our constitution was for a moral and religious people, and it was wholly inadequate to the government of any other that cited a lot just to say, oh, you know, this was a society founded on Christian belief and principle, and it requires that to work. But we often glide past that second part that it's required for it to work. And I think about a lot of the stresses our system is under right now, where you especially have the left contemplating much more aggressive reaches beyond what I think our constitution is supposed to have, where they're talking, let's just one percent pack the Supreme Court, let's create entire new states just to cling to power ourselves. Let's do mass amnesty for every illegal immigrant. And you can't help but think, okay, well, this is this is a political faction that has abandoned religion loudly trumpets that it's abandoning religion, and as a result, they don't see merit to the endurance of this Constitution. They don't see as much of a problem with burning down things that have lasted for two hundred and fifty years and been successful. It's all blow it up now to get power right now. And I just think of what John Adams trail. 00:26:40 Speaker 5: You know, it's a total but we have to be clear, it is a betrayal of America. You can have a country, but it won't be the America that we've had for two hundred and fifty years if you if you don't understand the basics, if you don't understand that our rights come from God. 00:26:56 Speaker 6: I was interviewed by National. 00:26:57 Speaker 5: Public Radio a couple of days ago about this, and they're like, did you know that Pete Hegseth is going to speak and that he says that our rights come from God? 00:27:08 Speaker 6: And I was like, I don't think Pete Hegseth came up with that concept. I think it's in. 00:27:15 Speaker 5: You know, it's in our founding documents, Like that's the whole nation is based on that. So the fact that you have major journalists that are unaware of this is a staggering drift away from the basics. 00:27:26 Speaker 6: But that's kind of where we are right now. 00:27:29 Speaker 5: It's almost unbelievable, and that's why yesterday was so important. 00:27:32 Speaker 6: And you know, but the left they've forgotten everything. They've forgotten how to laugh, they've gotten how to choice. 00:27:39 Speaker 2: We'll get at that. We'll get into that in just a second. But one word here is that you know that Charlie has that famous clip where he's talking about how all the thirteen colonies had a statement of faith, and even Maryland, which was Catholic, how the God has mentioned four times in the Declaration. It ends in a prayer to the supreme Ruler, the ruler of the nations, which is Jesus Christ. I mean, it was so saturating the founding generation that it affected the way that they spoke, their turns of phrases, the way that they constructed the document itself, the Declaration and the Constitution. But people kind of missed the end where he says the reason we have a constitutional crisis today is because we have a Christian document and our people are less and less Christian, and those become incompatible. And that's the real takeaway. We need revival in this land if we are going to see a reconstitution of the America that we've always known and loved. What's made it such a shining city on a hill and a beacon of freedom for the world over. So we need people to reconnect with Jesus, to meet Jesus, and we need a rededication. All right, Eric, we got to get into it. You said that the left can't take a joke anymore. They've lost their sense of humor. Couldn't agree more. They are absolute shrills. They are hall monitors. They are the fun police. I don't know what's gotten into them, but they're complete. They're like puritanic girl, uh, secularist. It's the it's the craziest thing. And they've they've struck again. They've done it to you this weekend. 00:29:11 Speaker 6: This is one of the best. 00:29:13 Speaker 2: And they're they're writing hit pieces on you the Daily Beast. Maga pastor. Are you even a pastor? Eric, I don't know. I'm not, okay, that's what I thought. 00:29:21 Speaker 6: I'm aware of. 00:29:22 Speaker 2: Maga pat They're so bad at the like Christian thing. They don't even know who pastor is and who's not. Maga Pastor makes bonkers claim about Trump's ballroom. Okay, Eric, I'm gonna play the way they cut by the way on the left like Lefty Twitter, Blue Sky. You are famous today, like this thing is gone, like they're. 00:29:41 Speaker 6: Making they've made my book break into the top one. 00:29:46 Speaker 8: Is. 00:29:46 Speaker 6: It's not coming out for two weeks. 00:29:47 Speaker 2: I put put that book up on put that book up on the there it is. Everybody, get your copy pre order today. Revolution. I saw Eric, we had breakfast in DC a couple of weeks back, and uh, I read like the first ten pages. This thing's beautiful, Eric, it's so well written. I want to say that you've gotten even better since Bonhoeffer. Yeah that was the like international, mega, huge bestseller, millions of copies. Whatever. You're really good at this. I mean as a historian, Eric, you are becoming so elite. 00:30:20 Speaker 6: You're very kind. 00:30:21 Speaker 5: This is this story is much more fun, happy, obviously than the Bonhoeffer story. And it's unfortunately extremely important that every American know this story, which is why I wrote the book. 00:30:33 Speaker 6: But I mean, yeah, so yesterday. 00:30:35 Speaker 2: Well, let me let me play the clips. Eric, I'm gonna play the clips. Yeah, you're you're also a show host yourself, so you can't help it. But I'm gonna I'm gonna commandeer it. This is the way they edited what you said, top fifteen. 00:30:48 Speaker 5: It's hard to believe that it would take two centuries for the Lord to raise up a great man to bring that ballroom finally to stand where. 00:30:58 Speaker 2: It needs to stand. 00:30:59 Speaker 5: It's a destraordinary We only had to wait two hundred years. 00:31:04 Speaker 2: So this is the way they edited. And you're okay, now I got the full because these people are liars, and if you did not know that they are liars yet, Eric, yes, this would be case in point exhibit A. 00:31:17 Speaker 6: No joke, no joke, Yeah there is. I mean, think about this, right. 00:31:21 Speaker 5: I'm invited to speak of the National Wall about something that to me is one of the most important things in the history of the world, which is God's hand in American history. And that's because I wrote the book on the Revolution. They wanted me in my speech to focus on two times when God did something miraculous. So I submit my speech, they put in the teleprompter, and I talk about the escape from across the East River, this incredible miracle in our history in seventeen seventy six, and then a few months. 00:31:54 Speaker 6: Later the crossing of Delaware. Two miracles where we lean on God, we look to go and God delivers us. 00:32:02 Speaker 5: And that's the whole story of America. And that was the point of my speech. 00:32:04 Speaker 2: But Eric, you make a lot of jokes when you speak publicly. If you've ever heard Eric speak, he's kind of weaving really serious stuff in the midst of like offhanded jokes. And this is what it was. Here's the fall, Eric, Here's the fall SOT four. 00:32:20 Speaker 5: It was thirty years after we won our independence, the British challenged us again in the War of eighteen twelve, burning parts of that city named after George Washington. 00:32:32 Speaker 6: You may be familiar with that city. 00:32:35 Speaker 5: They burned parts of the city, including the White House, which at that time, if you can believe it did not yet have a ballroom. Yes, it's hard to believe that it would take two centuries for the Lord to raise up a great man to bring that ballroom finally to stand where it needs to stand. 00:33:00 Speaker 2: It's extraordinary. 00:33:00 Speaker 5: We only had to wait two hundred years. 00:33:03 Speaker 2: It's perfect. There was laughs. Everybody was in on the joke, except for the freaking shrill Democrats in the media. 00:33:09 Speaker 5: So Andrew, this is what's so hilarious is that the crowd instantly got the joke and left. Any fool listening to my speech up to that point knows this is just a dumb joke meant to get a laugh, right that you know. And two hundred years later, God raised up Man to create that ballroom, as if that's God's plan for America? 00:33:32 Speaker 6: Is the ballroom? 00:33:33 Speaker 5: Like I'm joking around, right, okay, So all my friends said, oh, that was a great line about the ball everybody gets a joke. I then find out that David French who has trumped arrangement syndrome officially the doctors have confirmed it, and others are on X freaking out that I seem, according to them, seriously said God has raised up Donald Trump to create the ballroom, like they believe this and they don't understand that I'm joking even though everybody knows this a joke. Then I read the Daily Beast has written an article about it. The uh, there's another major article about it. I can't even think I saw it this more, Huffington Post wrote an article about it, and the Jerusalem Post mentioned this, like everyone is freaking out not getting that it's a joke, and you just think this is, on the one hand, the funniest thing ever because it's promoting my book. And the other thing is like, it's kind of sad that that here's a moment of joking about the ballroom. They cannot get the joke. They are so enraged by President Trump that they. 00:34:41 Speaker 6: Have to attack. It's it's almost unbelievable. 00:34:44 Speaker 2: It's almost unbelieving. Guess what, God has a sense of humor, and we're we're we're just gonna assume that this means you're going to have a new New York Times bestseller on your hands here with the new book on the Revolution. I mean, why not, Eric, because you know that would be the that would be you getting the last laugh. Okay, I will beg. 00:35:01 Speaker 6: I will beg your audience to please pre order. 00:35:04 Speaker 2: Put it up, Put it up, please, there it is. 00:35:07 Speaker 6: Please. 00:35:07 Speaker 5: And in fact, I'll say this, we never did this before. If you pre order it through my website, Ericomtaxes dot com, we will send you a PDF. You could start reading the book immediately. 00:35:17 Speaker 6: I've never done that before. 00:35:17 Speaker 5: Because the boo doesn't come out officially until June second, it's a big beautiful book, like the big beautiful ballroom, if I can say that. But you have to put a Ericmeataxis dot Com get the book. 00:35:27 Speaker 2: Everybody. God bless you, Eric, God bless you, and make God bless the United States of America. Thank you, my friend. We have a very nice treat in store for you, and that is Alex Marlow, editor in chief of Righte Bart and I check it every day multiple times, most of the time multiple times. And he's also hosted The Alex Marlow Show. Alex, welcome back. 00:35:51 Speaker 9: Well, he's great to be back with you guys. Thanks for having me yet again. 00:35:53 Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. I mean you're one of our regulars, Alex. You can't get away from us. It's just gonna be. This is the way it is now. You know your story. By the way, I've I have pulled the audience informally about which of our regulars they like, and your name always comes up. So you're stuck with us, Alex. Love it, Love it all right. So let's talk politics. You know there's a lot going on. Namely, Senator Cassidy was just successfully primaried in Louisiana as a senator. That's a huge People like I don't think most people realize what a big deal it is for a sitting senator to be primary. 00:36:33 Speaker 3: Yeah, and just pretty bad, really badly because it wasn't even a full primary where he lost head to head with somebody. 00:36:39 Speaker 2: It was the. 00:36:40 Speaker 3: First level primary, and so he got third place among the Republicans, doesn't even make it to the runoff, so he he knows months out that his time in the Senate is done. 00:36:52 Speaker 2: Yep. Julia let Lowe pulled away with that one with forty four point eight percent of the vote, and John Fleming will be her challenger with twenty eight point three percent. Bill Cassidy came in third, as Blake said, at twenty four point eight, so a distant third and be up against Jamie Davis, it looks like for the Democrats. So what do you make of this particular one? And then we're going to move on to Thomas Massey. 00:37:18 Speaker 9: Yeah, First of all, both of those candidates seem good. I think Trump and Doris let low the other candidate, we've done stuff with him, a lot of bright parts. So there's a huge improvement and really awesome stuff to see this, but it's so rare, and that's the shocking thing is that we haven't seen this happen since twenty twelve with Richard Luger getting primaried, and its senators tend to just keep their spots in the primaries until they get unseated by the other party, and that is just not how the country should work. And so it's really good where the voters actually hold people in power and just shows you money external influences really do manipulate so many of our elections. But Cassidy was a bad guy. He was right out there front and center, grand standing against President Trump after all the J six stuff, and it was such a loser move. And then I'm glad that he got his come up in politically, and it's a great signal the basis ending to the establishment. If you're gonna throw down against President Trump over nonsense mainstream media hokum like Jan six stuff, then we're gonna vote you out. And so it's fantastic. 00:38:15 Speaker 6: I love it. 00:38:16 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean candidly. I mean I haven't ever shared this, but I remember when Charlie was trying to get Secretary Kennedy through the confirmation hearings and Cassidy was once again a thorn in the side didn't like some of Kennedy's stance on you know, vaccines or whatever. I mean. I think Senator Cassidy is a doctor, right, So he was much more in the establishment camp and was very nervous about that, and Charlie kind of swallowed his pride and reached out to him and said, hey, get on board with this. You know. If not, there's gonna be huge problems for you. It turns out there was problems for him anyways. Obviously it's not Charlie's falter or turning points fault. But President Trump definitely took notice of that impeachment vote and wasn't gonna let it go. I don't think anybody should be surprised by that. Next up is another race that President Trump has weighed in very heavily, and that is involving Thomas Massey in Kentucky. Now it's become sort of a proxy fight on many things, on Epstein, on the Iran War, on Israel, foreign money. What are you making of this? It seems to be a dead heat right now, Alex. If not Massy might be a little bit behind, depending on the polisc. 00:39:33 Speaker 9: Yeah, it's a dead he and it's one of these things where if you pull the Bright partners room, there's gonna be a lot of people who are comfortable with Massy and there's gonna be some people who are not. I'm in the camp that would like to see him lose. I think that he's built up his brand as an online grandstander. I don't see him making a lot of productive votes. He seems to be the guy, and jad Vans was very articulate about this. Whenever Trump needed him to make sure something passed, then Massey is dependably not there, and also out on x every app where he uses the platform to try to fundraise and get clout by suggesting that Trump's government is covering up for pedophiles, which I don't believe that to be the case. I believe we should all get all full information on Epstein, but I don't think that Donald Trump's government is going out of their way to try to protect pedophiles. That's Massie's entire online brand, and he always is the vote that the Republicans need and can't get, and he loves it. He delights in that that to me is just so counterproductive. And I think the state he can of Kentucky can do better. 00:40:29 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, listen, my take on Massy is we like Massey. I like some of his principled stands. Charlie liked some of Massy's principal stands, namely anti war. He loved that he was a good Maha fighter. He liked that principal budget hawk like that. But you know, Blake and I were talking about before the show today and go ahead, it was your thought. 00:40:52 Speaker 3: It was just yeah, Charlie liked a lot of things about Massey. He said he was a favorite congressman of his for a long time. But Charlie was all so a guy who supports President Trump. He supports getting as much as you can done with this administration because he recognizes where in a national crisis, time is short, and I don't think he would have a lot of patients for Massy. For example, when the Iran action happened, even if Charlie himself would have been very skeptical of that, Massy basically he went on and he said, LITERALLYSA bombing a country on the other side of the globe won't make the Epstein files go away, suggesting the war is this wag the dog effort to distract from the Epstein files or another thing he said is I vote with the GOP ninety one percent of the time because nine percent of the time they're starting wars, bankrupt in our country, or covering up four pedophiles. He's totally leaned into this brand that the administration is this pedophile cabal, which is the stuff you can find on Blue Sky, It's the stuff you can find in the worst conspiracy swamps. And frankly, I'll go further. I'll say I think that a lot of the file releases have vindicated Resident Trump's warnings, which is there's a lot of salacious gossip. It's made a lot of people look bad. It's been embarrassing for a lot of people, but it has not exposed some massive pedophile cabal. That's why. That's why people haven't been charged. If someone can show me this specific person should be charged with crimes against children. 00:42:17 Speaker 2: I'd love to see some people charge from it. But that's that's another topic. I'd agree with your your main point, though, sure that essentially, you know, listen, there was some calls on X over the weekend to get you know, will you endorse Thomas Massey. Listen If Thomas Massey wins, I'm I'm going to be good with it, Like I'm totally good with it. I think we can work with Thomas. He's got some great positions and he's got some to your point, he has made his whole brand about pedophile protection with Rocanna. By the way, Rocanna has stood Sholder's shoulder trying to make much of this political football with the Epstein thing with women that have been accused of actually soliciting some of the miners of that that that were abused. So I'm saying I have an open mind here, but at the end of the day, I say I will do what jd Vance does, SOOT seventeen. 00:43:08 Speaker 10: Being independent, having your own opinions is one thing. Voting against the party on every single issue, you're eventually going to make too many enemies. And that is the problem that Thomas has had. It's not one issue, it's not three or four issues. It's that every time that we've needed Thomas for a vote, he has been completely unwilling. 00:43:27 Speaker 2: To provide it. 00:43:28 Speaker 10: That is why the President of the United States has trained desire on Thomas Massey. It's because we can never count on him for some of the most difficult votes. And when you always vote against the party. You can't expect the party to actually. 00:43:41 Speaker 2: Back yet, so listen, that seems to be pretty logical. Listen again, I don't hate Thomas Massey. I actually like so much of him, just like Charlie did. But at the end of the day, we got a slim, slim majority and we got to get stuff done. So, Alex, you had another thought that you wanted to convey on the Massy race. Yeah. 00:44:03 Speaker 9: So the positive thing about Massy is he is a real American individual and I do like that, and I want to encourage people to be individuals. But his job as a Congressman is to vote. And when you're consistently voting, that make the job easier for the Democrats and for the bad guys politically, then that becomes a major problem for me. And think about the One Big Beautiful Bill Act, where he opposed that, and that was essentially what people voted for in the twenty twenty four election. Trump wanted this, he talked about the whole time. He wonted One Big Beautiful Bill that's going to get his agenda going, and Massie stood in the way of that. That's just a sign that he's in it for himself. And you know, I don't love the glow up that his wife died and did the big glow up and then got the younger wife immediately. That that's also off putting to me. But all that matters to me is how does he vote? And he's a Republican who votes problematically a lot, and that's what it comes down to. So I'm rooting against him. But again, an interesting individual. 00:44:53 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean listen when it comes to his personal life, I mean listen, from all I can tell, he was a devoted husband for many years and his wife died unexpectedly. My heart goes out to him about all of that. And I don't I don't subscribe to any of the salacious stuff that that people are slinging. I get the optics of it, Alex. I just to your point, what matters to me is, you know, is he going to be a part of a team or is he not? And listen, I understand, like I like I said, I love his principal stance on war. I think you know, Alex Clark has been out publicly defending his Maha bona fidez love that love the budget Hawks stuff. But at some point, you know, jd Vance made a point is, you know, this is politics when you when you fight the party and what the the agenda of so many of your colleagues are trying to get accomplished constantly. Eventually you're you're gonna have a lot of enemies. So again, if he gets elected, I'll be happy. If he doesn't get elected, we're gonna deal with that reality as well. 00:45:54 Speaker 3: Bill Kalsid, he just lost his primary because he was a senator who voted to convict Trump after January sixth. That was the reason and he lost this primary above all. And so if you are the number one thing that annoys Republicans for the most part is deciding to be a giant thorn in the side of the president from their party, especially when they would prefer to be in conflict at war with the left. And I think there are plenty of lawmakers who have navigated the dynamic of disagreeing with President Trump on specific issues, sometimes strongly. There are multiple lawmakers who do that on multiple issues, including even on Iran itself. But Massias carved out a special brand for himself in that regard and that unsurprisingly has created a lot of conflict. 00:46:39 Speaker 2: And listen, part of this is the Trump dynamic. There's there's no doubt. I'm sure Trump played a part in this relationship devolving down. I've seen, you know, certain allegations from Marjorie Taylor Green about how this, how this has happened, and listen, I want us all to be in peace and to be rowing in the same direction. I want unity. Hopefully if Massie ends up pulling this out, we can do this. Just one more note, by the way, like there's a lot of groups spending a lot of money in this race, which one I think is a distraction. I think it's taking resources away from other races to beat Democrats that are more important. So that's my first perspective. Turning point. Action is not involved in this race. We're not spending money, we're not doing it, and so we're gonna let the chips fall where they may. But I will say, you know, if there's a tweet here from Stephen Miller that I thought was interesting because Rocanna says, you know, Thomas Massey's a man of character. He's the type of congressman our founders in vision. I hope his constituents will see the courage, independence and serah love of country he brings to the job okay, and he's quoting a New York Times opinion column. Steven Miller comes back a says Conna is among the most radically liberal anti Maggat extremists to be found in all of Congress. This is the equivalent of being endorsed by Rachel Maddow. I do think that that's interesting. There's a whole discussion here, Alex about where the money's coming from. There are packs, there is the A pack, there's Israel aligned packs. It's not foreign money, by the way, that's a misconception online. Commonly, these are Americans that do care about Israel, whatever you think about that. However, there is another side of the coin here where apparently it's only between like three and five percent of the funding on Massy side, who's actually outraised his competitor Goarin. But yeah, there's only three to five percents coming from Kentucky. So he's getting a lot of support from outside as well. And so you know, if you're going to make that critique on one side, you can make it for both. In this race, there's a lot of a national attention. We understand how it's gone, all right. I think we've made our point clearly here. All right, last point, Alex Marlow. The Iran War drags on. Okay, this is becoming a whole thing. Democrats have basically staked their entire political fortunes on calling Republicans racist. After the Supreme Court ruling gutted Section two of the Voting Rights Act, We're getting really these racial, racially gerrymandered districts, especially in the South. Those two dynamics Iran and racism from the left. How are you and how are you looking at all this? How is it going to play out? 00:49:08 Speaker 6: Yeah? 00:49:08 Speaker 9: I want to look at this in a neutral way because even though people in our audience they're going to be so just numb to just being called racist and fascists and all that stuff. But the Democrats really do think this is going to be motivational in terms of voting because they're trying to frame it up as the Republican racist redistricting is what they're fighting against and is giving them a narrative? Is there probably their clearest narrative in a while. I was playing a bunch of clips on my podcast earlier today just going through how the talking points clearly went out. It's the entire party they're all framing it is so all the redistricting is based in racism, and they think they can win on it. I haven't seen fresh data, but they really do think this is the case. So mark that down. This is happening, and they do think this is a winning issue to frame it this way. I hope the American people burned out on it. They don't stand for anything principally, but I think that's a very important point. The next thing Iran. As you mentioned, the Democrats know that the longer the Iran War goes out goes on, the harder it's going to be for Republicans to win in a midterm. So they want to see it go on. They want to see it prolonged so that they can continue to dunk on Trump for this stuff they're not looking from to wrap it up and the clear victory. Iran also, ironically would like for things to go on longer because they know that Trump's going to get a bunch of political pressure both from his party and from the Democrat party at home. The media obviously trying to make it so that right a narrative that we've lost the war no matter what happens. And so these are the two big things that I think are headwinds for President Trump heading into the midterm season kicking off in full flight. 00:50:36 Speaker 2: I will tell you what I mean. Maybe it's just me, maybe I'm biased, but every time they sling the racism slur at us, I just feel like it falls flat. I feel like we're gonna have Eli Steele on next segment to talk about this. He had a great essay out over the weekend explaining what drives so much of our racial dysfunction in here. But we'll just we'll give you, we'll give you a taste of what Alex is talking about. Eight. I have to just shuttle the truth down the street. There are people in. 00:51:04 Speaker 3: This hostile anti black administration that would rather Black. 00:51:08 Speaker 6: Americans pick Cotton, then. 00:51:10 Speaker 3: Pick the president, then picked their congress person, and then picked my senator. 00:51:16 Speaker 2: Well that's just civically idiotic, actually, because a sitting senator is chosen by the whole state, and they don't have the votes in the South to get their their senators, and in most races anyways, the point is they Alex, You're totally right. I mean, I've got I've got fourteen clips of this that I could choose from as well, and that's what they're staking their whole thing. I will tell you this, I would prefer this over the anti ice narrative after Minneapolis where we had Rachel Good and Alex pretty that were killed. 00:51:46 Speaker 9: Yeah, I think we got to be able to beat this. We got to be able to beat this one. It's not a strong one. 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You do not want to miss this opportunity to see this on the big screen. Hillsdale dot edu slash Revolution to locate a theater near you and buy tickets for Revolutionary American one more time. That's Hillsdale dot edu slash Revolution. All right, without further ado, I want to bring in our next guest, and that is, of course Eli Steele. He is. He's a filmmaker, an American, proudly whitegiltfilm dot com and you can find him on stub substack Man of Steel dot substack dot com. Welcome to the show, Eli Steele. 00:54:08 Speaker 8: Keep having me. 00:54:09 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, it's an honor to have you. You know, Charlie had your father on the show a couple of times. It was always a great pleasure, and you've really taken up his his mission and you're doing a great job. I was really profoundly moved by a piece you wrote you published on x I'm assuming it's on your substacks as well, but you said you're basically taking issue I think kindly gently with Gad's ad as positioned suicidal empathy. Who's another guy that we love on this show, and I think I think Gad's contribution to this discussion is important. But he said White. You said this in your piece. You said White stood accused by history. They had failed the founding idea of all men are created equal and were stigmatized as a group, whether or not they had personally owned slaves or enforced Jim Crow. The question that haunted many of them was not how do I feel for you? But how do I prove I'm not one of the racists. This condition of societal guilt, not the emotion of empathy, became an organizing principle of American public life. You underscore that you believe that so much of our racial dysfunction in this country is caused by fear, not empathy, Explainser. 00:55:19 Speaker 8: Thank you for having me and my first time on the show. So you already mean I know that I am death, so I have a debt bastion. But to your question, yeah, I mean you're pointing. I was just something that the very fundamental Rishia. We're talking about collective guilt here. America have practice, you know, racism, rather slavery or deprecation or I'm a boshin street. And it's another thing that's very important to remember that America was the very Christian country and the an the Ship of Wife movement was a Christian movement, and wish for I'm a christiananity with white because Christian Andy had been kind of the further, she was playing slavery, she was playing depredation, and that was the shoe problem. So righte America, which always prior to double Haavy, that innocent of Havy, that you know, especial things, and the civil rights movement said no, you are not innocent. You enslaved up and that created a huge ball out or a collision in the nineties. Dishies were right in America realized, oh, we're not on the top morally as we thought that we were, and that spread to all of rhight in America. Whether you were a slave owner or you actually pertipicated its depredation, or even you didn't, you're right again really not of the condemnation. And I think that story was missed, even this whole shoe shadow empathy question, because this sort of focuses on the individual. Empathy begin as a individual emotion, and you're kind of trying to steal that out. I'm arguing the opposite, that there was a collective judgment from the outside on white America and that went into the mind and many people and they said, Okay, how do I achieve innothing? How do ie moral authority? And my father obviously called this bulsh innocent, because only true innoting can be done proved tru mean the repenty. In other words, if we had done it the right way, we would have focused on developed the people that we had a prayer, and then we focused on white redemption. Then what we call the lat what we call the post disease liberalism, So it became all about whine redemption rather than actually doing the much more difficult work coming together of the country. And we carry the damage. 00:58:01 Speaker 2: No, exactly, Eliah. 00:58:03 Speaker 3: It's it really feels like a regression to you might even say pre biblical morality that Charlie loved to site that in the Old Testament. One of its innovations is to say you do not punish children for the sins of their fathers, that individual's choices matter, individual decisions matter, whereas many other moral codes don't take that, they do consider it normal to do collective punishment. In China, a very common punishment was if someone committed treason, you killed their wife, their children, their parents, sometimes even their their friends and associates, and that was totally normal. And this is doing the same thing that it's reviving, this pre biblical morality. If you are responsible for the decisions of your ancestors, in fact, your entire your entire race, you're responsible for those. 00:58:55 Speaker 1: It is. 00:58:56 Speaker 3: It is blood guilt, and they've brought that back and it's created this psychosis and. 00:59:01 Speaker 2: People I do agree though. It's fear, your fear of being stigmatized with the racist word, fear of being called a bigot. We have turned that into American society. Is the number one insult, the number one you know, assault on somebody's character conceivable. Right, It doesn't matter if you're a pedophile, if you killed somebody, you know, we'll let you out of bond without cashless bond if you did those things. But if you're a racist, then that is the number one chief sin that you can commit as an American. And how they did that is really really fascinating. Now that doesn't so what we've done, ELI is we've completely cut out the knees from logical conversations, common sense conversations about crime, about education, about fatherlessness, and instead it's just it's a blanket pejorative they can sling at you to make sure you're not allowed in polite society. You're not allowed to run for office, you're not allowed to lead a company, you're not allowed to be a part of a church. If you are the R word, they will take you out of everything. And that has created a paralyzing fear in the American body politic. And I think we're finally the further we get away from the nineteen sixties, we're finally seeing a true reawakening where we can have actual discussions about race, politics, culture and these sorts of things. That's why I think your piece is so powerful. Eli. 01:00:22 Speaker 8: Yeah, And I think this that piece is very helpful in many ways because what he is doing is she is quite I think where you just symptom. Yeah, you could call it shoes shadow empathy. I mean, I agree with it, but I don't think it's invaluable because I think it helped a lot of people focus on what's going on in the country, and maybe you could get deeper beyond that because I think that he was talking about blood like you know, you know, paying to the stings of the bothers. That is about the most anti American principle. Yes, a nation of individuals. We both are to quiet Europe where the first done how all the power we said, no, everybody had to share, everybody individual We created you know, the whole bounded principles are all around the protection of the individual and what the what we should call them, you know, bad actress or something like that, based on an opportunity in the ninetiesh they said white America is guilty. That's our power. That's when my father's days. The white guilt is literally the same da black power. Not only that, across Europe we have colonialism and now you have colonial guilt. So now you see how white is all across America. This is why when's George glorying happening. You had the UK, you have swedom been the Germany all buried down to black lives matters because the responded to this Russia and guilt which we should kind of called rat guilt in general, but all of it it, oh, i'd be the whole purposehip is to undermine the individual and forced us into a tible. She shindy back into I guess what you're calling the pre biblical time where we are tible. This is very anti Russian and this is why my father and I we believe the most distrusted force they're going on in the Russian work, because if you do become tible and we would have to read Ben A Marrow Christ somewhere else. 01:02:35 Speaker 2: Well, that's and there's nowhere else to go at this point. And I think it's very telling when you look at that SBLC story to Eli, how they knew that if you could weaponize white supremacy, if you could create a boogeyman that that rested upon this foundation, this narrative that had been created in the post nineteen sixties world, then you could monetize it. You could weaponize it, you could send it to the DOJ, and you could criminalize it. You can do all of this with the cudgel of racism, of guilt, of fear that has paralyzed our culture. And if we are paralyzed by this fear, we will lose Western civilization. We will lose confidence on ourselves, the confidence we need to build this this uh, this uh this civilization that we that we know and love the greatest that the world has ever known. Eli Steel. You can check him out at substag a man of Steel dot com and check out this new essay. I think it's super important Eli to the discussion. Thank you so much for your time, my friend, you happy me God bless you. Really important conversation there. Okay, we got a ton. 01:03:36 Speaker 3: Of emails from Thomas, a bunch of emails about Massi and from various daily various perspectives. I will say, and we should acknowledge that. 01:03:45 Speaker 2: Yeah, she say it's about fifty to fifty. I haven't reviewed. 01:03:48 Speaker 3: I actually probably would say which, which is notable for someone who is in conflict with the president. 01:03:52 Speaker 2: Yeah. 01:03:53 Speaker 3: One from Ali says MASSI would rather grandstand about balancing the budget than stop around from building ballistic missiles. He voted against Trump's big, beautiful bill that delivered tax cuts for Americans. He's done nothing to help Jade Vance go after the massive fraud and waste that is actually draining our budget. Priorities matter. But then Jamie says, I love Massy. We need more Rand Paul's and more Thomas Massey's. I want him to vote yes where he can, but he has always been against spending. 01:04:21 Speaker 2: This isn't new. 01:04:22 Speaker 3: I understand the loyalty issue though Democrats also vote together. But I think we have so many rhinos that it has become impossible for Republicans. I wish we would focus on removing rhinos. Though before the Massy types. Someone says, tell tell Rhino Andrew that Massey does not have any points. So I think he's saying you said he had a point on something. 01:04:44 Speaker 2: Oh I say, no, man, no, okay, listen, I'll stand by it. Massy's good on war, he's good on Maha, he's good on spending. 01:04:51 Speaker 3: All right, and then we have another one. This is actually from a few days ago, but I thought it meshed well with this. Massey was on my friend's list. But I have been telling people for a couple of years that libertarians are planning to sabotage MAGA by helping Democrats because they hate tariffs and they are pro China. Big tech wants them to wants to fund the libertarians to destroy our movement. At some point it no longer matters whether people are good on some things. His opponent should be endorsed. So that's a good representation. I mean, we actually got one from someone who says that they're so pro Massy that if he loses, they're going to vote Democrat from now on. So that's a very strong opinion. 01:05:31 Speaker 2: Giant Ssia, we disagree on that to vote democrat. Listen, Democrats are an anti civilizational force. Yes, let me prove this to you there are let's just bring up the real numbers. Okay, So these are the same people that let Arina Zerutzka's killer out after multiple, multiple violent crimes in this man's past. All right, we've got another story of the I mean, it's like every day there's a new story. That's what Democrats do. Democrats are the one that flooded the borders and want to replace American voters with more compliant third worlders. Democrats are the ones that want to blow the entire federal budget to give free vies to foreigners, to give Green New Deal scams, all this stuff. They are an agents of chaos. Quite literally. They don't believe in merit, they believe in dei, they believe in they don't believe in equality, they believe in equity. Every single point that they choose is going in the wrong direction, literally, every single point. I've got nothing for them. They want to kill babies at nine months old. What could you possibly want to defend them? 01:06:39 Speaker 1: Mind? 01:06:39 Speaker 2: Now, if you're an accelerationist, right, let me deal with you guys too. If you're an accelerationist who wants to burn it all down so that you can rebuild a party, in your image. It doesn't work. All they will do is get stronger, entrench their power more deeply, and cause more chaos, destruction, and carnage in their wake. Do you think that we are going to anytime soon get out from under the ten to fifteen million illegals that they let flood this country in just four years of Joe Biden? In four years they darn near killed the country four years. So if that's your plan, I couldn't disagree with you more strongly. Yeah. 01:07:15 Speaker 3: So it's like, for example, we read the Rocana tweet endorsing Massi, and yeah, Roe he is a somewhat different Democrat and that he sometimes finds issues to collaborate with. 01:07:24 Speaker 2: So you can check this. 01:07:25 Speaker 3: You can just check this where Rocanna he supports amnesty for illegal immigrants with a path to citizenship. Rocanna all in on the transcopt totally loves all of that stuff. Rocanna just all. 01:07:37 Speaker 2: In on COVID vaccine, no bodily autonomy in that, you know, all in on the George Floyd riots. 01:07:44 Speaker 3: He wants, he wants, he actually wants a I checked that he wants to investigate possible reparations for you want to know, but It's just this thing happens over and over. And if you're going to say I'm going to vote Democrat as a protest thing, you are voting for the great solvent of our civilization. You're voting to create California for the entire country. And if you want to see how things are going, you can look at California right now. California can't build anything. California is just in perpetual thrall to the worst excesses of labor. They basically are just controlled by a cartel that defrauds their state government with the willing connivance of the state government itself. That is the future of the country. If you lean into this and well, we're frustrated if Massey is enabling that to come about, even if he is on our side for a bunch of different issues. But if you're going to look at this and say I'm mad over this over a house race, i am now going to switch to the other party, you need to get your head checked. 01:08:47 Speaker 2: Well, and here's and listen, I understand the president could be difficult to deal with. Louren Bober is running into some of this, and you know Warren Davidson, who's they're all campaigning with Massy. Listen, if Massi wins, We're we're gonna be just fine. We're gonna deal with it, and it's great. I don't dislike Massey in a broad sense, that's all I'm saying. But if you're gonna vote Democrat because you don't like the way this race goes, that's insanity. This is how insane. Again, throw up these numbers. This is from the FBI. Did you know that because we've become so insane about our racial discourse in this country because of Democrats, because of left wing progressives, that their murder rate is now at one out of every twenty two Black men will murder someone in their lives. That's that red column in the middle, that is the fruits of the left. The vast majority of those murders are being enabled or inspired by a very small percentage of people that we can't ever get off the streets because they believe in no cash bail and all this garbage, and these judges have been co opted by the radical left. There is not one single issue where I could get on board with Democrats, not one. So I completely disagree with the acceleration is burned. It all down protest vote. What's gonna happen in Kentucky is gonna be decided by Kentucky in that district. Let it play out. That's my final word. 01:10:08 Speaker 9: For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to Charliekirk dot com