The True Story of the Ohio Haitians + AMA 277

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Like, I guess Congress didn't deliver to us in terms of just sticking around, but instead we got this trial. 00:01:41 Speaker 5: Instead we've got pure insanity, because that's just the way things go. America still found a way to let us down. Yeah. 00:01:50 Speaker 4: Listen. 00:01:51 Speaker 5: OK, the jury began deliberating Thursday afternoon, August 27th, after closing an instruction set for a few hours was sent home around 4 p.m. without a verdict. They resumed Friday morning at 9 a.m. Eastern. So they've been going at it for about three hours. They have just requested, I guess, the knife and some bags of pills to see if this was sort of a stage situation. Presumably that's what people are speculating about. Yeah, so two bags of pills and a knife. The judge denied the request, however. This is the only reported note so far. So we're going to break a lot of this down and what the options are for the verdict. And again, I want to just make a point before we bring Jonathan Alpert on here because he's a psychotherapist. We're going to talk about all that. But this is important because we're actually battling the inversion of morality, the inversion of reality. And I think it's really important that we take a stand and we keep reminding everybody that we do have laws. There are morals. There is common sense. And we can only have a functioning society if we agree upon certain basic facts. So here to help us unpack all this is Jonathan Alpert. He is a psychotherapist. He sees lots of patients. He's got a new piece out in the New York Post that we want to talk about as well. Jonathan, welcome back to the show. It's good to see you. 00:03:12 Speaker 1: Good to see you. Thanks for having me. 00:03:14 Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely. So I want to start here by kind of just examining as if we've never heard about this term before at all. This idea of not guilty by reason of insanity. And the more I think about it, the more I hate it, because to me, you're either guilty or you're not guilty or you're guilty and you didn't mean to do it. Maybe you're manslaughter or you did it and it was self-defense or But it feels like this is a cope for a modern society that is increasingly looking for excuses to let people out of their accountability that they deserve. Your thought on it. You're the expert on this type of stuff. 00:03:53 Speaker 8: Yeah, and I think the moment that you enter mental health into the equation, it does change things quite a bit. And we're seeing this play out. across the nation where you have women and others saying that they identify with Lindsay Clancy, they can be her or they could be her. I think it's dangerous, this over-identification. There's a huge, huge difference between postpartum depression and postpartum psychosis, which is what's being looked at and really at the heart of this case. postpartum depression affects approximately 12% of mothers who give birth, whereas postpartum psychosis, it's so small, it's such a rare occurrence. It's 0.1 to 0.2%. So there's a huge, huge difference. And when we make the leap from depression to psychosis, that's dangerous. And I think the other thing that we're seeing or could potentially see is So the reverse of what these women, what these people are hoping, instead of destigmatizing it, it might make it more of a stigma because women might feel like they can't come out and talk about how depressed they feel. 00:05:06 Speaker 5: Oh, that's such a good point. That's such a good point, Jonathan. I think you're absolutely right, by the way, because there's already men all over social media that basically are now equating postpartum depression, which is fairly normal. 12% of the population, when they have a baby, they experience some degree of this. With not being safe to be around my kids. So if my wife or the mother of my children has postpartum fill in the blank, the average person is just going to be like, are my kids in danger now? And women are not going to want to come out and be honest about it. 00:05:37 Speaker 1: Of course not. 00:05:38 Speaker 8: And let's take a close look at what postpartum depression is. 00:05:42 Speaker 1: It's depression. 00:05:43 Speaker 8: It's feeling sad, low energy, maybe feeling isolated, hopeless, helpless. 00:05:50 Speaker 1: Whereas psychosis, that's entirely different. 00:05:52 Speaker 8: That's hearing voices, hallucinations, delusions, disorganized thinking, there's a very, very big difference. And if a woman is truly feeling postpartum depression, that's a conversation worth having. 00:06:07 Speaker 1: She needs support. 00:06:08 Speaker 8: And the same with someone who's psychotic, but these are much different things. And as we saw play out with Clancy, one of those drove her to murder her sweet, innocent children. Depression usually doesn't drive someone to murder innocent people or anyone, actually. 00:06:26 Speaker 6: I mean, what stands out to me that is interesting, my understanding. 00:06:31 Speaker 7: Insanity is usually supposed to mean like you are totally insensible to the moral ramifications of what you're doing. And we've made fun of, I think pleas of temporary insanity have actually mostly been abolished across the US, but that's essentially what she has a modern therapeutic version of this, that she was in temporary psychosis. We were debating the other day, uh, one of the defense or one of the prosecution witnesses, I believe, uh, he was testifying that she apparently only heard these voices this one time. 00:07:04 Speaker 9: Right. 00:07:04 Speaker 7: And that didn't seem to fit the pattern of psychosis that he knew. And we were discussing whether maybe she came across more like a family annihilator, like men who decide, I want to kill myself and I'm going to take my family with me. 00:07:18 Speaker 6: What do you make of that? 00:07:20 Speaker 8: I mean, it does seem rather selective, these voices that she was supposedly hearing. And from what I understand, she wanted to take her own life and she felt like her kids wouldn't be able to handle that. So she needed to take their lives first, which, you know, is illogical and doesn't make any sense whatsoever. But I did see that report where she was sort of in and out of these this delusional thinking and the hallucination. So, you know, we don't know. I mean, we're also looking at this after the fact. We're trying to make sense of it. We don't know exactly what was going through her head in the moment. We only know what she says or what she's been instructed to say. So the defense, I mean, they're doing exactly that. They're defending her. Who knows what will play out? We may find out today. We may have to wait until Monday or later. 00:08:14 Speaker 5: Let's play this clip because I think this is a clip that gets to the heart of the issue. 00:08:18 Speaker 10: There's no dispute that Lindsay Clancy was suffering from mental illness and that she tried to kill herself. There's no dispute about that. All of the evidence that you've heard, even the experts that the Commonwealth put before you, say that she was suffering from mental illness and she tried to kill herself. That's not the issue in this trial. The issue is whether, at the time she killed Cora, Dawson, and Callen, she knew the difference between right and wrong, and whether she could conform her behavior to the requirements of the law. 00:08:54 Speaker 1: Hmm. 00:08:55 Speaker 5: And they finish with this, Jonathan. 00:08:56 Speaker 1: Ten. 00:08:57 Speaker 5: It's not ten, please. 00:08:58 Speaker 2: This young lady. 00:09:03 Speaker 1: Did nothing wrong in her life. 00:09:06 Speaker 11: She was a nurse, a daughter, a wife, and a darn good mother. 00:09:14 Speaker 5: Woof. You couldn't pay me enough of that. Yeah, go ahead, John. 00:09:21 Speaker 8: That's quite a statement to say she did nothing wrong in her life. And maybe she didn't do anything wrong, but she certainly did at that moment. You know, I think we can say we understand suffering and be empathetic, but to say that we truly know her thoughts, we just don't. 00:09:39 Speaker 9: I found the account of hallucinations to be, as she described it, it would be very, very unusual to experience it that way. never having, not before, not since, constantly for 18 minutes. However, if this was a thought, an unwelcome, intrusive thought, but still a thought, that's basically this is your last chance, you have to kill the kids so you can kill yourself, then that would be consistent with thoughts that she'd been experiencing for some time. 00:10:14 Speaker 4: Hmm. 00:10:16 Speaker 5: That was the clip in question that everybody's still talking about because that guy's basically calling BS on the, this was the first time I ever heard this voice thing. We're joined by Jonathan Alpert. He's a psychotherapist and author of Therapy Nation, which I just love because it's such an important topic that I genuinely, I think we're over medicated. And we, so if you rely on only therapy and not good actions, not good behaviors, good habits, good family life, You're going to be not as well off as you could be. Let's just put it that way. And that book deals with that very important topic. Okay, so, Doctor, we have these, I guess, five different options that could happen here. Found not guilty, guilty of first-degree murder, guilty of second-degree murder, guilty of manslaughter. or not guilty by reason of lack of criminal responsibility. This is the Massachusetts version of an insanity defense. 00:11:13 Speaker 7: And I was reading about it, and it's apparently much more generous than most insanity states. 00:11:18 Speaker 6: Oh, this is crazy. 00:11:18 Speaker 5: This is crazy. 00:11:19 Speaker 6: Most places you need to prove beyond reasonable. 00:11:21 Speaker 7: If you opt for insanity defense, you have to prove beyond reasonable doubt that you are insane. It shifts the burden to the defense in contrast to most crimes. In Massachusetts, prosecutions have to prove beyond reasonable doubt you're not insane. 00:11:33 Speaker 5: Yeah, this is a wild thing. 00:11:35 Speaker 1: Massachusetts loves those criminals, don't they? 00:11:38 Speaker 5: Well, this is the point. This is what we're getting at. So if they find her not guilty by reason of insanity or lack of criminal responsibilities, how they say it in Massachusetts, this is legally an acquittal. But she would not be released. The court would start civil commitment proceedings to a psychiatric facility. The initial commitment is typically six months and can be renewed in one-year increments if she remains a danger. 00:12:02 Speaker 8: Well, we could see she could lead a life like John Hinckley, who I believe was released a couple of years ago. And he's shopping at the local grocery store, I believe, in Virginia. So that's a possibility. But I think what's more striking to me is what we're seeing play out with this over-identification. And in some ways, it kind of reminds me of during the George Floyd thing where people said that they could be George Floyd and Sure, many people could, but you have to look at the facts. George Floyd at that time, I believe, was high on drugs. He was passing a counterfeit bill. Those are things that we need to consider. If you're a law-abiding citizen walking down the street, I think the chances are much less that you. 00:12:49 Speaker 1: Would be killed by a cop. 00:12:52 Speaker 8: But this over-identification is dangerous for society. In some ways, it's grievance culture. We saw it with the whole Luigi case where he had his gripes about the insurance industry and he committed the heinous crime of gunning down the CEO. And we saw all these completely ignorant people over identifying with that and saying that they stand with Luigi. And of course, Luigi last week admitted to the killing and guilt. So this is dangerous, what you're showing on the screen here, these people that are so enthusiastically identifying, over-identifying with Clancy. 00:13:32 Speaker 5: Do you think this is a– if you had to put your finger on where this is coming from, is it social media? Is it the algorithms? 00:13:38 Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely. 00:13:39 Speaker 8: And just to go back to that clip you just showed, one woman was holding her child in You know, I wonder if someone was a grandmother to a child and lost that child, would they still be so sympathetic or empathetic towards Clancy? 00:13:58 Speaker 1: But yeah, absolutely. Social media is fueling this. 00:14:02 Speaker 8: You know, we see clips on TikTok and Instagram and X, and it just travels like wild. And people are passing this around, and they're not fully understanding Clancy. 00:14:14 Speaker 1: The case. 00:14:15 Speaker 8: They're not understanding the psychology of, of this woman who murdered the kids. 00:14:19 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:14:20 Speaker 5: I just, I want to reiterate, like I genuinely think finding somebody not guilty by reason of insanity is, is a really bad thing for society. Why should society have to deal with somebody that is guilty of murdering three people, but then acquit them because their momentary break with reality or something? Why should that be our burden? They should still be held accountable. 00:14:43 Speaker 7: My thought process that I've said a few times is I don't think for a moment we would tolerate this exact same line of argument if the person was a 19-year-old male who'd done a school shooting. If he said, oh, I took all these pills. I'd been to all these doctors. I was depressed about X, Y, Z. I had a temporary psychosis, and I grabbed a rifle, and I shot up the school. 00:15:03 Speaker 5: To that point. 00:15:03 Speaker 6: We wouldn't accept this. 00:15:04 Speaker 5: You're a psychotherapist. Are most murderers, by definition, are they insane on some level? 00:15:12 Speaker 8: Well, in my opinion, if you're at the point where you can kill someone, something is not quite right. Whether you're legally insane or not, we don't know. I think there are complexities to the cases out there. But it's just not normal to have the desire to kill someone, whether that's the CEO of a health insurance company or certainly your kids or anyone. It's just not a normal human thing to do. So it's really up to the jury to figure this out and the legal teams to present their cases. 00:15:47 Speaker 1: But I agree with you. I mean, this is so dangerous. 00:15:49 Speaker 8: If in a week, think about it, we could have someone who killed her kids, not in prison, but in a psychiatric hospital and in six months, possibly back in the streets. 00:16:02 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, that's what we're looking at here. And I think it's a huge societal danger. I think that's why it's captivated the nation, because of this idea that it's just a moral inversion. Our collective brain, so cooked by social media and true crime and Dexter and Breaking Bad, we're rooting for the bad guy. We're rooting for the murderer who, in this case, killed three kids. And then we have to think about her own kids. And we have to think about it with the jury pool that we might face with But. 00:16:34 Speaker 8: Think about the Daniel Penny case a couple of years ago on the New York City subway where he was being heroic and he saw what looked like a deranged person on the subway and he took action to defend all the passengers on that train. And he's vilified for that. And then we have Clancy who's almost looked at in a way that's positive by society. So yes, our society has things backwards. 00:17:01 Speaker 11: Yeah. 00:17:03 Speaker 5: Well, this is why your book is important, Jonathan. It's a therapy nation. I love the subhead, how America got hooked on therapy and why it's left us more anxious and divided. I've said it on the show, but I think we would do a lot better. Honestly, if we went back to the old way where you, You go to the pub and you talk to your friends over a Guinness or something. Whatever your thing is, just get back to common sense. Go touch grass. Live in real life. I mean, I think it's admirable of you to sort of, I don't know, take a swipe across your own profession. So it lends credibility, Jonathan. 00:17:41 Speaker 1: Well, believe me, it needs swiping. 00:17:44 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:17:45 Speaker 5: Jonathan Alpert, thank you for joining us. We've got our eyes on this verdict. We'll see when it comes in, and we'll react to it if it happens on the show live. Gentlemen, let's get real for a second. Are you frustrated with today's woke dating scene, the apps, the games, the endless swiping? It's a waste of time. Finding a woman who shares your values, faith, family, patriotism, if it feels nearly impossible, it doesn't have to. Selective Search, America's leading matchmaking firm, is changing the game. 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Go to SelectiveSearch.com slash California and start building the future you deserve. Joshua Lysik joins us now. He's author of the upcoming book. He's hard at work on it right now. Haitians of Springfield. And, you know, they're eating the dogs. They're eating the cats. It became a whole thing. And Joshua's doing the hard work of not only going back and talking to the people of Springfield, But he's also commissioned polls about this. And I tweeted about it yesterday. Joshua and I got in a back and forth. So, Joshua, welcome to the show. Thank you for doing this, actually, you know, because when we. talk about the forgotten men and women of America, this is what we're talking about. The people of Springfield that had their community overrun by foreigners that they didn't ask for, that overturned their home and upset a way of life that they'd been enjoying for decades, if not centuries. Joshua, what are you finding out about the people of Springfield? 00:20:08 Speaker 12: First and foremost, thank you for having me on, guys. And the feedback that surprised me most, I spent 10 weeks on the ground in Springfield, Ohio. I live pretty close by, so it's not as impressive as it sounds. But the first, let's say, unexpected reframe of the entire story was when I began interviewing residents, and they commented on the disappearance and the consumption of the cats and ducks and geese and so on and so forth. And they said, you know, that's one of the good things about the Haitian influx is is they solved our stray cat problem. It was a real big problem, apparently, with feral cat colonies all over, together with the Canadian geese. And this was a cultural enrichment that was, in fact, a positive. Think about that for a second. The so-called lie of the year, according to Politico, about inconspicuous consumption of animals by the Haitian newcomers. Of course, that sort of thing is done regularly. The third world gaze sees free food over there when they're coming from cultures that are not used to having easy access to grocery stores, etc. But that's one of the positives of the Haitian migrant situation in Springfield. Yet that was the story of the year. I am not at all concerned about the people who have said, oh, we love our Haitian neighbors. It's been said that this is the majority It's been said that this is the majority. We love our Haitian neighbors. They have rebuilt our economy, says the governor of Ohio, our rhino, Mike DeWine. The reality on the ground, of course, is that it has been catastrophic. And the results of this poll show that in central Ohio, the people are fed up. It's been said again by people who used Haitians and others as empathy props, as empathy props to try to fundraise off of. But what's really been going on is there have been public safety issues. There's been education issues. There have been jobs that are basically handed over to the Haitian migrants that the locals were never allowed to apply for. And the scariest part is that as people began sharing their experiences, the eyewitnessing of the, I guess you could call it abduction, spell abduction there with a D-U-C-K, and the geese and the cats and so on and so forth, the biggest problem is the public safety issue. 00:22:33 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:22:34 Speaker 5: I this was really interesting. So you just saw that poll up there. Nearly 70 percent of Springfield residents think that it was a really bad thing. Their community got invaded by Haitians and you're giving voice to them. And I think that's really important. And by the way, I just want to say it's like we're talking about moral inversion earlier with the Lindsay Clancy stuff. And I see this so often when it comes to the immigration debate. We talk about we need to have a humane border, humane immigration. We need to have a heart for the immigrants. What about the people? What about a heart for Americans? What about a heart for Lake and Riley and her family? Right. Why do we never get treated humanely? Why are we always being told that we have to foot the bill for some misplaced empathy and Or these props, these virtue props that they use. 00:23:26 Speaker 7: On top of that, if we do offer them that empathy, is there any goodwill over it? 00:23:31 Speaker 5: In fact, no. 00:23:32 Speaker 7: What do they learn in school? If they attend school, they're taught, actually, America is historically bad. America was horrible to all the places that you came from. And actually, you should feel entitled to further dispossess the Americans who welcomed you into their country. It's like an endless cycle of No goodwill for letting people in. No gratitude for it. Only further vilification and excuse. You were dumb enough to let us in. Now we're going to take more from you. 00:24:00 Speaker 5: Yeah, take them for suckers. You know how I knew that they were eating the cats and the dogs and the geese or whatever? If you look at an image of Haiti from the map, did you know it is the only sort of border between nations that you can see from space that doesn't include a river or some other sort of geographic... Because the Haitians plunder their own land. The left side is Haiti. The right side is the Dominican Republic. They take all the greenery and they burn it for fires or stoves or whatever. There's no controlling it. That's Haiti. So from a culture where people do that to their own natural beauty, I'm supposed to be shocked that when they see, as you said, the third world gays fall upon a cat or fall upon a duck or a goose, that they're not going to just take it. For their own? This is what they do in their culture. I'm supposed to be shocked? 00:24:55 Speaker 12: Yes, and even the worst part about it is that it also falls upon the children. There are a number of rather depressing reports in the book from local concerned parents, including footage that I was granted access to of Haitians attempting to abduct little white boy's and little white girls in Springfield. There is absolutely a racial element here that was not introduced by the locals. In fact, many of the locals have not shared their stories of Felix and Garfield going missing, or they haven't shared what's happened to the ducks or the geese. And not just that, but we're also talking squirrels, mice, rats, and pigs. In fact, the evidence I was shown of the first voodoo ritual involving the slaughter and otherwise the processing of animals It goes back to 2020 in Springfield. I also, I've interviewed and I've spoken with current and former law enforcement, first responders, local politicians, community movers and shakers. And the worst part about all of it is that it's falling on the locals, the people who are vulnerable in this post-industrial Rust Belt community that had already been in many ways hollowed out by NAFTA previously. Springfield was supposed to be a great American turnaround story, by the way, because during Trump's first term, a number of factories and employers either announced expanded operations or new facilities and whatnot. So all of these jobs were supposed to be created for Springfield. Then Biden comes in and intercepts a success story and begins the great population replacement of heritage Americans with foreigners by the tens of thousands. The highest credibility numbers I have are the number of Haitians in Springfield is the highest, 35,000. The number that the city ever admitted to was only as high as about 20,000. This is a city of fewer than 60,000 people. So even if you're going with a lower estimate, that's a significant increase of population. And of course, guess what? There's inconsistent policing. There's multiple standards of justice, depending on whether or not you're a white American or you're a black Haitian. And I've also got some evidence in which I present that there's significant under-prosecuting of the Haitians that the white heritage Americans are not receiving access to. 00:27:20 Speaker 5: No, it's completely backwards. We hold them to a lower standard, a double standard. The white Americans are going to get, you know, nickeled and dimed, and they're going to get prosecuted by the letter of the law, and the Haitians are going to be given, you know, every excuse in the book to get out of it. Even while they're apparently, you know, running their cars into Poles and buildings because they don't know how to drive according to our rules. They're eating cats, which, by the way, probably sounds illegal. There's many different, you know, I guess wrinkles here. But you also have told stories and heard stories of families getting ripped apart because some Springfield residents couldn't take it and they bailed. And so this is like literally and then the family left behind is now torn apart. We talk about this with, you know, James Talrico is talking about this little boy in Texas, Liam, that we deported a little three-year-old or five-year-old or whatever he is. It turns out the dad entered illegally twice after being sent back. And now the Dems are like, you're ripping families apart. No, he took his son back to his home. So we talk about that all the time. Dems love to talk about that. But what's happening in Springfield is literally ripping families apart. Am I wrong? Am I overstating it? 00:28:34 Speaker 6: No, that's correct. 00:28:35 Speaker 12: When I first began interviewing heritage citizens, they suggested that I need to ask widely the important questions, such as, do you know anyone who has left Springfield or has left Clark County because of the Haitian influx? And almost 40% of respondents in our poll, which again, is the first and the only professional and scientific poll of Springfield, Ohio voters, which the media never bothered to do. I think because they knew that they would get the results. That as many as four in 10 respondents said that they know people who've left. I think the average was seven and the most common number was four. So there has been an outflux from Springfield of Americans because. 00:29:17 Speaker 4: Of the Haitians. 00:29:18 Speaker 5: It's such a tragedy. Such a tragedy. So this whole Haitian story became big again yesterday. New York Times published this, 221. Trump administration to expand deportation flights to Haiti. Flights to the Caribbean nation will increase for once a month to once a week now. The Supreme Court allowed President Trump to cancel humanitarian program. Oh, get out of here. It's called TPS and it's being abused freaking new york times okay joshua the question then becomes okay so you got governor dewine is out there simping for these guys saying they just came here to work and and all this stuff you and now you got the end of tps are is the problem being addressed or Is this still going on in Springfield and other communities just like it? Are the Haitians actually getting removed? 00:30:04 Speaker 12: Yes, but no. And this is where we want to walk back just a few weeks. So as far as I know, I broke the story three weeks ago that ICE was finally on the ground in Springfield. They began in the surrounding areas of Clark County, kind of moved in to encircle the city. Since then, the reports I'm getting from the locals, there's this heritage citizenry open source intelligence network, the OSINTs that I call them throughout the book. There's hundreds of them that are involved and thousands of them who credibly report tips. And what they're telling me is that approximately one to two dozen per day are being detained. As of the end of TPS, there were anywhere between 8,000 and 15,000. I know it's a wide range, but some of them have been spreading. They've moved to Huber Heights, Inglewood, Troy, Tip City, Beaver Creek, Lima, as well as Findlay, Ohio. I regularly get tips from these areas that, oh, three families have moved in next door. So you've got like a two-bed, one-and-a-half-bath house, and suddenly three families of three generations of Haitians will all be living in there. They have very different understandings of the world and living arrangements and whatnot, and diet, obviously, than we in the United States do when they bring their culture in here. But what's also been happening in Springfield is The Springfield City Schools whistleblower has shared that new Haitian families are showing up from Indiana and from Florida and are signing their kids up in Springfield. And that there are white vans being seen all over town, basically transporting or busing in Haitians with green cards to replace, I don't know what percentage or how many, but all I'm hearing is lots, many. They're everywhere, is what I'm hearing from the heritage of citizens of Springfield. that these new Haitians with green cards from Indiana and Florida are being brought in to replace the ex-TPS illegal Haitians who have either disappeared into the shadows or are doing some sort of under-the-table work. But now these area employers, they're preferring to hire the Haitians still, again, likely paying them significantly less. Some of the reports that I saw is that Americans who are earning $ 30 to $ 35 per hour were replaced by one to two Haitians on temporary employment contracts, earning between $ 10 and $ 12 per hour. So it's approximately 67% less you've got to pay them. And because the work tends to be shoddy, you just hire two of them to kind of have two people do the work of one American. 00:32:35 Speaker 5: And you can still. 00:32:36 Speaker 12: Pay them less, and it's temporary employment, so you don't have to pay the benefits or overtime or any of these other things. It's sort of an indentured servitude system, is what the locals have shared with me. 00:32:47 Speaker 5: Then I want you to compare what you just said. Indentured servitude, replacing American workers, paying them less, cultural displacement, dispossessing heritage Americans. Contrast that with your run-of-the-mill Chamber of Commerce Republican. Stop 15. 00:33:05 Speaker 13: We just reported, Governor, that ICE is planning to mount a series of operations, including here, in Ohio to target arrests and ultimately deport some of the Haitian immigrants who are set to lose their legal status here. What is your initial reaction to that? 00:33:20 Speaker 14: Well, it's a mistake. It's not good for the United States and it's not good for the state of Ohio. These are people who have helped Springfield really come back. They came there to work and they came there because there were jobs that were not being filled by other people. They've created jobs as well as filled jobs. And so to lose them is frankly a blow to Springfield, and it's a blow to the state of Ohio. 00:33:47 Speaker 5: I get filled with just so much rage listening to people like that. After we just heard what you said, they're replacing American workers that had $ 35 an hour jobs with two Haitians that you can pay $ 10 an hour. And this phony gets up there and says, well, it's a real blow to Springfield. They've created jobs, Joshua. It's a great thing. By the way, also, like jobs are all that we care about. We don't care about our culture. We don't care about your grandma being able to sit on her front porch and drink tea in peace and harmony and understand her community and know her neighbors. I mean, there's so many. The floor is yours. 00:34:26 Speaker 12: Yes, the correct number of Ohioans displaced by Haitians is zero. And every number above that is intent of policy because the purpose of a system is what it does. Notice that in that little clip there, I think that was to CBS, Governor Republican again. By the way, the vast majority of elected officials of the city of Springfield and Clark County who love the Haitians are also Republicans. We've got these people who they own businesses that employ Haitians. They have groceries and other businesses that receive the EBT and the WIC and et cetera, that the welfare money that's being spent by all these new Haitians that they're getting this freebies, gimme, stimmies and handouts. They also own properties that are renting to Haitians, and they can charge them extra because they don't know any better, and they can engage in all manner of renter exploitation. But because they're from a different culture, they don't understand that those sorts of things that you can't just lie, cheat, and steal, that we don't do that in America, to cite the viral New York City cop. But what Governor DeWine had just said is that there were all these jobs available that were not going filled by other people. He's talking about his constituents, his voters, Ohio citizens, the people of Springfield are other people. What I had been hearing from the beginning of this whole saga, when the first Haitians began showing up in mass starting in 2020, 2021, then the ballooning from that point on to the tens of thousands, is that these new jobs that were promised during the Trump administration, they vanished. And all of a sudden, thousands of Haitians have these jobs. This is a consistent complaint from the people that the jobs were not being advertised. There were not opportunities to even apply for them. And then suddenly you're getting laid off and replaced by Haitians. 00:36:11 Speaker 5: This is why the white vans is such a big part of your story, because these are employer networks, and they're super shady. They come straight from Florida. They drive them up to places like Springfield, flood the community with cheap labor, and it's all known. There's a little dark web of these people, and they do it all the time. So that's why they didn't advertise the jobs. That's why the jobs that were created under Trump 1.0 never got, you know, filled by Americans or, you know, they're shipping in green card Haitians now, which I'd love to know why they have a green card. 00:36:41 Speaker 4: Like, why? 00:36:43 Speaker 5: You know, anyways, the point is, this is a massive, massive betrayal of our country and our people. I'm glad you're on it. Joshua Lysak, author of the upcoming book, comes out in October. Everybody get a copy. Haitians of Springfield. He's doing the hard work of telling their story. And this is just one story, Joshua. There's lots of communities that have been overrun by Haitians or Indians or Somalians. And it's so important that we highlight them. So thank you for doing the work, Joshua Lysak. Thank you, my friend. 00:37:13 Speaker 12: My pleasure. 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Just visit charlieforhillsdale.com to start learning today. That's charlieforhillsdale.com. Learn deeply, think clearly, lead boldly, and carry it forward, just like Charlie. 00:39:09 Speaker 7: We're here for our AMA hour, and Danny's joined us to oversee the hour and participate in the answers. But let's just dive right into it. I think we have Abby first. 00:39:21 Speaker 4: So, Abby. 00:39:22 Speaker 6: Unmute yourself and what is thine question? 00:39:25 Speaker 7: What is thine question? 00:39:28 Speaker 15: Of course. 00:39:30 Speaker 16: I have live production experience and our team has always had funny mishaps, so I wanted to know what's the funniest mishap that's happened on the show. 00:39:40 Speaker 5: You know, it's funny. You were just showing me a video. It was the day after the election and we were all in a jovial mood. and Mikey called in, and we thought... I was the only one who wasn't in on the joke, apparently, because Mikey called in. He had this funny accent. If you know Mikey, he likes to do funny accents. And... I don't know if it was a mishap, but I was freaking out because Charlie was laughing, and I thought he was laughing at one of you. 00:40:06 Speaker 17: Charlie and Blake, well, they didn't know, but they knew it was Mikey right away just from his voice, and they were dying laughing, and you had no clue. 00:40:13 Speaker 5: I had no idea, so I'm on the message blowing Charlie up, going like, stop laughing at our audience member. This is rude. What are you doing? And he's laughing, and eventually you can see him get really frustrated with me and be like, Andrew, it's Mikey, okay? It's so obvious. And I was like, oh. 00:40:28 Speaker 3: Okay. 00:40:28 Speaker 5: I don't know if that's a mishap. Oh, we did have a pastor one time who was in the other studio. They have the video of it. Oh, we have a video of this? Yeah, load it up. Oh, load that. 00:40:41 Speaker 4: Oh, man. 00:40:42 Speaker 6: Do we have any other mishaps? 00:40:44 Speaker 5: All right, go ahead. 00:40:46 Speaker 4: Hi there, Charlie. 00:40:48 Speaker 11: I'm actually from Starr County, which is the county you guys were talking about on the show. I just wanted to jump on her and tell you that Trump is just such a big hit in the Hispanic community. What you guys are doing at Turning Point, you and Tyler and Andrew Colvett, I'm just such a big fan of it and I'm so thankful for you guys. Keep up the good work and know that we are supporting you through and through. 00:41:19 Speaker 3: We're laughing because it's Mikey, okay? 00:41:21 Speaker 6: It's a friend of ours. 00:41:22 Speaker 3: Andrew thinks we're laughing at him. 00:41:24 Speaker 5: This is Mikey. 00:41:24 Speaker 3: It's one of our staff that did this, okay? 00:41:26 Speaker 5: It's so obvious. He's so mad at me. I probably was like, I don't know what I said, but like, what are you doing? And, yeah, our production team is telling us, like, I had no idea that was Mikey when it happened either. And to Charlie, who basically spent hours listening to Mikey's accent, it was very obvious to me. So that was funny. 00:41:49 Speaker 6: I like the mishap. 00:41:51 Speaker 7: I talked about this last night with some of us, that Charlie, he's traveling all the time, and sometimes he would have audio mishaps where he would be on air, and his guest would be on air, but he couldn't hear the guest. 00:42:04 Speaker 6: And what he would do is he would go, can't hear Andrew Blake tell. 00:42:08 Speaker 7: Me what they're saying and we would have to like very hastily listen and just be pounding out whatever the guest was saying so that Charlie could like ask a question that was at least directional to what the guest was actually saying on the show but he wouldn't be able to hear it that that was when I got. 00:42:23 Speaker 5: Alert alert can't hear can't hear it's a You know, Blake and I would have to transcribe what the guest was saying so that you in the audience had no idea he couldn't hear. He would just respond back, and we'd say, go, now your turn. 00:42:34 Speaker 17: One of the other funny ones was when we were on Thought Crime a couple weeks ago, and the whole power and, like, the entire block went out, like, in the middle of the show. 00:42:43 Speaker 4: All of it. 00:42:43 Speaker 15: Yeah, so we were, like, mid-sentence, and just everything crashed. 00:42:46 Speaker 5: Yeah. That was a good show, too, by the way. Yeah, that was pretty good. I would say another one that was kind of funny was– it's not funny, actually, because he– He ended up having to get stitches, but we had a pastor in the other... Oh, my God. When we had the studio in the other building, and he was going around the desk, I think, to get seated, and he hit... One of the lights hit him in the head. Just blood everywhere. So that happened, too. 00:43:10 Speaker 4: I don't know. 00:43:10 Speaker 5: Is that... Does any of those count? 00:43:12 Speaker 6: I thought that was pretty fun. 00:43:13 Speaker 5: I thought that was fun. 00:43:16 Speaker 6: All right. 00:43:17 Speaker 5: Oh, do we lose her? 00:43:18 Speaker 6: Do we still have her? Does she have anything else? Otherwise, we can go... To David. David, unmute yourself, and what's your question? 00:43:27 Speaker 4: How you guys doing? Hey, David. 00:43:31 Speaker 18: My question is, I'm in California, and they just passed the Nick Shirley Act. And my question is, I want to know your thoughts about it. All those Democrats that are up for re-election, I'm thinking we should expose their names. and say these are the people that are trying to squash free speech, Mia Bonta being one of them. What's your thoughts? 00:44:02 Speaker 6: I mean, it is galling what they're doing. Danny, you knew this was coming. 00:44:06 Speaker 5: You looked up. 00:44:07 Speaker 6: So first of all, what exactly does the Nick Shirley Act do? 00:44:09 Speaker 5: The Stop Nick Shirley Act. Stop Nick Shirley Act do. 00:44:13 Speaker 17: So it says it protects the identities and addresses of immigration service workers, restricts doxing, and creates penalties. for certain contacts and criminal penalties for basically just releasing identities of immigration service workers. 00:44:32 Speaker 5: Yeah, the law also makes it illegal to post, display, sell, or distribute a participant's personal information or images online when done with specific intent to threaten, intimidate, incite imminent great bodily harm or place the person in objectively reasonable fear for their safety. Basically, it's saying... that it's claiming that Nick Shirley was trying to dox people. That's not what he was doing. He was doing investigative journalism and exposing fraud. So once again, Democrats are on the side of no transparency, no exposing fraud and protecting criminals at the expense of somebody like Nick Shirley, who was actually doing a good thing for society and for the country. So when it gets to the point of what do you do about it? The problem here is that California probably supports it. 00:45:17 Speaker 17: Yeah. 00:45:18 Speaker 5: I mean, you don't. You're in California. But there's a lot of people in California that just think of Nick Shirley as a pesky little conservative white boy. And they want to get rid of him. And they don't want him harassing them on their streets. I hate to say it. I don't mean to be that cynical. But that's kind of my assumption. 00:45:34 Speaker 7: The sad truth is California is a very blue state. And people in blue states, stuff we think is reasonable, they do not believe is reasonable. The narrative, if you're in a blue media sphere, which is on Blue Sky... or in their own chat groups, or watching left-wing media sources, is basically that Nick Shirley goes and harasses innocent immigrants who did nothing wrong, and he accuses them of crimes, and then the Trump administration sends ICE into their neighborhoods, and. 00:46:02 Speaker 6: They terrorize and shoot people. 00:46:04 Speaker 7: That is what the left believes happens with Nick Shirley, and that's why it's so easy for them to pass bills like that. And we wish we could fight against this, but. 00:46:15 Speaker 5: That's what the left believes. The bill passed both chambers in California along party lines. So 59 to 19 in the Assembly and the Senate, 30 to 10. And it was signed by Governor Gavin Newsom. I mean, it breezed right through. Breezed right through. And we had Evan Barker on, who was a former Democrat activist and fundraiser. And we asked her a question. We said, what do Democrats still believe is true? And it's wild. When you talk to a Democrat, what they actually believe, They believe that conservatives are trying to get them, that we're trying to get them killed. I mean, they go full projection mode because these are the things they're doing to us, actually, right? This is what they did to Charlie. 00:46:54 Speaker 4: Yeah, trying to get them killed. 00:46:55 Speaker 5: Go ahead. 00:46:57 Speaker 4: We're trying to get them killed? 00:46:59 Speaker 5: That's what they think. 00:47:00 Speaker 6: Yeah, but you lost your leader. 00:47:01 Speaker 4: I know. 00:47:01 Speaker 5: Yeah, you lost your leader, and nobody's trying to kill them. 00:47:05 Speaker 18: Nobody is. 00:47:13 Speaker 4: No. 00:47:13 Speaker 5: Our side, every poll will indicate our side wants to have debate and speech, and their side is increasingly enamored with assassination culture. They believe that political violence is justified. They believe that lying is justified, ultimately, to get what they want. All right, next question. 00:47:31 Speaker 6: I think we have Elizabeth next. So, Elizabeth, unmute yourself, and what is your question? 00:47:37 Speaker 16: Oh, hi, everybody. Before I start, I just want to let you know we're praying extra hard for you guys for the next two weeks. I'm sure it's going to be a very difficult time for you. 00:47:46 Speaker 15: Thank you. 00:47:47 Speaker 16: You guys have done yeoman's work this last year carrying on Charlie's legacy. 00:47:52 Speaker 5: Thank you so much. 00:47:53 Speaker 16: I'm very grateful, and I just think Charlie would be so proud of you guys and Erica and the people who I don't know behind the scenes. Just all of you, such gratitude for how strong you've been this last year to carry the rest of us through it. 00:48:04 Speaker 6: Thank you very much for that. But what's your question as well? 00:48:09 Speaker 16: So my question was about the federal judiciary in Washington, D.C. And I don't know if you're familiar with Julie Kelly. She's a really great. 00:48:19 Speaker 5: Yeah, I text Julie all the time. She's she's a genius. 00:48:25 Speaker 16: How do we get Congress to sort of like defund the D.C. judiciary to get like all of these activist judges involved? like, defunded and, like, so they can't do what they're doing? And also, why aren't they impeaching all of these insane activist judges who are, like, it's been to the Supreme Court, and then they still try to, like, stop it anyway once they've already been overruled? Like, I've never seen this level of insanity in people that are, like, federal judges. 00:48:53 Speaker 14: It's just insane. 00:48:54 Speaker 7: I mean, it's a really interesting question, what you're asking. You know, how can we defund these insane judges? Because It gets at, this is a point of constitutional order, so almost all our federal judges, the ones who, when you hear federal judge strikes down X, they're called Article 3 judges. Article 3 is the part of the Constitution that is about the judiciary, and what it just basically says is, Congress has the power to create courts. There shall be a Supreme Court, and they can create lesser courts. So we only are required to have the Supreme Court. The others are created. But what it does say, and I want to read the text of it. 00:49:31 Speaker 6: I have it right here. 00:49:33 Speaker 7: Is the judicial power shall be invested in one Supreme Court and in such inferior courts as Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. These judges shall hold their offices during good behavior and shall, at stated times, receive for their services a compensation which shall not be diminished during their continuance in office. So this is one of the checks and balances that they embedded in our system that in other countries, I think in Britain as well, they'd seen as a tactic that judges who ruled a way that. 00:50:04 Speaker 7: The legislature, the parliament didn't like. They might strip away their salary. They might try to make it so they could not continue being judges. And so our founders, what they did was they said, well, you actually can't cut off the pay for a judge to try to punish them. You can't just, you can only remove them from office for bad behavior, which is what our impeachment mechanism is. So that's one of the difficulties is we have these bad judges and we can't just take away their funding. That's actually not constitutionally allowed. 00:50:32 Speaker 5: Historically, it's just very rare. That's the other thing. So you have to consider how much bandwidth and resources Congress has, right? We can't get basic things that we want done passed through Congress because it's very contentious and there's people that disagree. There's people that try and leverage votes to get what they want on something else. So it's just tough, right? So historically, the House has impeached 15 federal judges, and then it goes to the Senate, of course, and the Senate has convicted and removed eight. Several others have resigned before the process played out, and the last one where there was actual removal was Judge G. Thomas Porteus in 2010. So it's just really rare. I mean, Congress just doesn't typically spend their time doing this, but I completely agree it should be a higher priority, and we have grounds, I think, to at least go after a couple bad actors and send a message that You know, this federal judicial activism, the black robe activism, it has no place in America and it needs to be stamped out so that at least they're put on notice. Right. So I totally agree. We should make an example out of like two or three of these guys. 00:51:39 Speaker 7: And there's other ways that they've got tried to get creative. One idea is we could create additional court circuits. Like, for example, the Ninth Circuit covers California, a ton of states. I think it has by far the most people of any circuit. We could break that one up so it at least has less power over the country. Maybe it's only California and Oregon and Washington or something instead of half the West. Another idea I've seen is we could you can change the jurisdiction. So, for example, the D.C. Circuit is a very powerful one because so many federal cases go there. You could, in theory, create a new district. You could create a new appeals court and basically say more stuff is going through here and we're appointing new judges for it. There's ways to get creative with this. You're putting more and more stress on our constitutional system every time you do this. But there are ideas out there that people have. 00:52:34 Speaker 5: Well, and I will tell you, it was Trump v. Casa. The Supreme Court did sharply limit nationwide injunctions. So they're still finding other ways around this. But that was a huge issue. Huge development. A single local district judge can no longer block a national policy for everybody. It has to be ruled on the merits of that specific case. So it hasn't been a perfect solution, but it absolutely was a move in the right direction and has limited their ability to just shut down national policy because some district judge in Guam thinks that they have a better idea of how to run the country and never got a vote from a single district. American citizen. So hopefully that answers your question, but it's, there's, you know, we have a three, three branches of government, right? And they are separate and they can get in each other's way. And honestly, sometimes that's a really good thing when a Democrat's in, in office, but there's, there's no, there's no doubt about it that the Democrats have weaponized it in far greater measure. 00:53:33 Speaker 6: I mean, well, I don't want to say that. 00:53:35 Speaker 7: I would say the courts have been overall a pretty good friend of ours. I'd say Democrat judges are more likely to just straight up I mean, part of their ideology is they can invent new, they can say the Constitution's evolving, and it turns out the Constitution always guaranteed transgender rights or whatever. But we've gotten a lot of wins through the courts, and I want people to appreciate that, that you have constitutional carry across half the U.S. because courts have allowed it. You have way more educational freedom across the country. We overturned Dobbs. We've overturned Roe. So many wins have come through the courts. It's probably the friendliest of the three branches to us over time. 00:54:13 Speaker 5: I have a disagreement with Blake. Hi, folks. Andrew Colvett here. I'd like to tell you about my friends over at YRefi. You've probably been hearing me talk about YRefi for some time now. We are all in with these guys. If you or someone you know is struggling with private student loan debt, take my advice and give them a call. Maybe you're behind on your payments. Maybe you're even in default. You don't have to live in this nightmare anymore. YRefi will provide you a We'll be right back. YRefi doesn't care what your credit score is. Just go to YRefi.com and tell them your friend Andrew sent you. All right. So I have to bring up a slight disagreement with Blake, but I think we're talking about two different things here. To be fair, the courts have been a bastion of sanity overall when it comes to the Trump administration. OK, but they have forced a massive amount of backlog and trying to gum up the works and delay things. And here's what I will say. The national injunction piece, President Trump has faced well over 100 nationwide injunctions, and that's between term one and term two. So pre-2001, presidents faced very few. Attorney General Barr only counted 27 in the entire 20th century of nationwide injunctions. And then boom, Trump hits and it just skyrocks. It became a favorite. 00:56:02 Speaker 6: Tool of Okay, but on the other hand. 00:56:05 Speaker 5: Weaponization left. 00:56:06 Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, but how often is Congress delivering us any wins ever? 00:56:10 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a completely different discussion. 00:56:13 Speaker 7: And half the time, we don't have the White House. 00:56:17 Speaker 5: Are we talking about the judicials? 00:56:19 Speaker 7: Long term, the judiciary is the most conservative branch of government. We have the advantage at the Supreme Court. We have a pretty good structural advantage in the appeals courts. Do random judges bother us? Yes, but Overall, it's been a system that's been friendly to us, which is why the left is, they're the ones who go much more berserk about pack the courts, totally remake the courts. 00:56:41 Speaker 5: No, no, no. And all of that can be true. Congress is a totally separate topic. We're talking about, has President Trump been the victim of weaponized judicial system? Absolutely. They have targeted him unlike any other president in our history. It doesn't mean you throw out the baby with the bathwater or you know, lose faith in the institution. That's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying, yes, it is factually true that President Trump has been targeted more than anybody. Here's a clip of Charlie that the team found talking about fixing an out of control judiciary, SOT 18. 00:57:12 Speaker 3: There are a lot of good ideas out there right now. For example, we could create an expedited appeals process for nationwide injunctions. So they go to the Supreme Court as quickly as possible. We could also make it so that lawsuits seeking nationwide injunctions are assigned to random judges or a random panel of judges. Right now, political activists will pick the friendliest judge they can anywhere in the country, and they judge shop and venue shop. Almost any fix like this would require getting through Congress, which, as you know, Congress hasn't done anything. 00:57:52 Speaker 1: What are they doing? 00:57:54 Speaker 3: They've passed one bill, the Lake and Riley Act and a CR. They've got to start producing. Pressure is on you guys. 00:58:00 Speaker 7: I think I remember helping create that bullet point list. 00:58:05 Speaker 6: I think Mike Lee had that as an idea. 00:58:06 Speaker 5: Beaverishly looking into options to fix things. Who's the next caller? 00:58:12 Speaker 6: I think we have Curtis. 00:58:14 Speaker 1: Great. 00:58:14 Speaker 5: Curtis, unmute yourself. Welcome to the show. 00:58:16 Speaker 4: Yes, well, thank you. 00:58:17 Speaker 19: And I want to echo, I think it was Elizabeth's recognition of how you guys have hung in there. And I just pray for you every day and the heartache of losing Charlie. And then I lost my grandson earlier this year to a tragic accident here on my ranch. 00:58:35 Speaker 4: So anyway, I don't mean to be a downer, but thank you very much. 00:58:38 Speaker 19: But I tell you, the love and Christian fellowship that's been around me and my family is just only by the grace of God. 00:58:46 Speaker 4: So thank you very much. Yeah, God bless you. 00:58:49 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:58:49 Speaker 19: Well, thank you very much for that. And thank you for taking my call. So I'm a lifelong Eastern Oregon rancher, have to suffer the socialist conditions here in the state of Oregon. But anyway, so I would like to speak real briefly to President Trump's allowance of 300,000 metric tons of foreign beef coming into the country. 00:59:10 Speaker 4: First, I don't know who is advising him. 00:59:14 Speaker 19: And let me preface that by saying I am so appreciative of Secretary of Ag Rawlins. She is she's the best secretary of ag I've ever seen in my lifetime. 00:59:24 Speaker 4: And I'm 70 years old. So, yes, she's certainly. So I'm not. 00:59:29 Speaker 19: I'm not castigating her at all. I understand who she works for. I understand how the pecking order goes. But I just wish that President Trump could really get to me as a grassroots family rancher. And there's so many intricacies that we could leave the cost at the consumer level while building up our family ranches and farms. And I know that's where his heart is, but he's got advisors that are totally. 00:59:55 Speaker 19: Political animals, I guess you could say. 00:59:58 Speaker 4: Can I ask you a question? 01:00:01 Speaker 5: What are your biggest price challenges right now? You're running a ranch. You've got cattle. You don't need to tell me specifics, but you're raising cattle. What are the drivers of the increased cost, and what are your challenges? 01:00:14 Speaker 6: Especially if there's something that we could change. 01:00:17 Speaker 1: Energy. 01:00:18 Speaker 4: Energy. 01:00:19 Speaker 19: Energy is the number one driver of everything that is escalating our input costs. 01:00:23 Speaker 5: Be specific. Be specific. Like electricity costs? 01:00:26 Speaker 4: Diesel. Pardon me? 01:00:28 Speaker 6: Like electricity, fuel costs? 01:00:30 Speaker 19: Well, not necessarily. I'm speaking specifically to diesel because everything we do out here is diesel powered. 01:00:36 Speaker 4: Our tractors, our trucks. And when we're having to pay over $ 5, almost $ 5. 50 a gallon, it's just debilitating. 01:00:48 Speaker 19: And then it falls down to the price of fertilizer. Everything we do is energy focused. To build fence, it takes energy. The fencing wire that we have is escalated. 01:01:02 Speaker 4: Everything we touch, everything we have. 01:01:03 Speaker 19: To have If he could get onto the oil companies and put the clamps on them for making such outrageous profit margins, it would certainly help, and not only help us. 01:01:14 Speaker 6: I want to push back on that because. 01:01:18 Speaker 5: Okay, well, go ahead. 01:01:19 Speaker 6: Well, I mean, do you have any others that you. 01:01:21 Speaker 5: Want to cite? 01:01:23 Speaker 4: Well, okay, so let me be more specific about the diesel. 01:01:28 Speaker 19: If my understanding is correct, it takes less expense to create, to make diesel... fuel than it does gasoline. And yet it's, it's $ 2 higher a gallon. 01:01:38 Speaker 4: And maybe I'm wrong. 01:01:39 Speaker 19: I'm not saying that I know everything, but it just seems like there's just there. And I don't want to be crying, poor me and poor American farm. 01:01:48 Speaker 5: No, this is important. 01:01:49 Speaker 19: But, but you know, the, the, the fact of the, and I'm kind of switching gears here. So politically the production agriculture folks like myself and my sons and my family, we amount to less than one and a half percent of the population. And so consequently, we have no political clout. But on the other hand, we have been the staunchest supporter of President Trump. And I've made a hat that instead of make America great again, it's red and it has imprinted on it, make beef American again. And I know that's where his heart is at, but he's just being advised incorrectly for short-term, you know, not achievable goals because this meatpacking cartel... They're not going to lower the retail meat to the consumer by 25%. And just let me just give you an example. We've seen a $ 20 per hundredweight drop in the price of cattle just since last week when this was announced. 01:02:50 Speaker 4: $ 20 a hundredweight. That is outrageous. 01:02:52 Speaker 5: Wow. 01:02:53 Speaker 19: And it's all manipulated, guys. It's all a manipulated market. There's so much more to this, and I'm sorry. 01:02:59 Speaker 4: I don't want to take up all of your time from other callers. 01:03:01 Speaker 5: We're going to have– Ben Spell, who runs Good Ranchers, who's our partner on that side, he's going to be coming on the show on Monday to talk about this very issue. It's near and dear. 01:03:11 Speaker 4: To my heart. 01:03:12 Speaker 5: I come from cattle ranchers, so I understand what you're talking about in an intimate way. It's a 90-day release. They're going to let it come in at a discounted rate or whatever. There's a lot of people that are very upset about it, including... I know Brooke was against this policy, so to your point. 01:03:30 Speaker 7: I mean, as you say, it's a complicated one. As you said, it does seem motivated by a short-term political goal, and sometimes things are like that. 01:03:38 Speaker 6: We are approaching midterms. 01:03:39 Speaker 7: It has become a political issue that beef specifically is more expensive. 01:03:43 Speaker 6: And, well, whether we do. 01:03:45 Speaker 7: Well in these midterms is going to play a big role in whether we're able to fully execute on— Literally everything we care about, whether it's the border, DEI, and agricultural policies to make stuff more American again. 01:03:57 Speaker 6: So he does have to account for that. 01:03:59 Speaker 7: Now, you might be correct that he's being played, and the meatpacking cartel will say, thanks for lowering our price input. We're still not going to lower prices for consumers. I don't know how that will shake out, but I guess we'll see. i mean well and what struck me was you we asked what's keeping prices high and you mentioned fuel prices energy prices and how everything gets interconnected because why is gas more expensive in no small part because of the issues way out in iran that conflict we don't think of that as linked to beef and then the war between russia and ukraine russia ukraine and belarus i think were like three of the four largest uh Fertilizer producers before that war broke out in 2022. So on the one hand, war itself has damaged that output. Sanctions have damaged that trade output. And it threw the market into chaos. And that's something that drove up the price. 01:04:56 Speaker 5: You even heard Trump, though. And Trump's it was an interesting moment with President Trump. He got asked about the. Because they did take record profits, a bunch of these American oil companies. And he was like, I'm not happy with it. I'm as free market as it comes, but come on. Because he's thinking about it then in his position as a politician. And he wants the prices to come down, and he was frustrated with the oil companies. But if you're the oil companies, you're thinking there's a lot of disruption out there. I mean, you've got refinery disruptions like crazy in Russia because the Ukrainians are hitting the refineries with drones. 01:05:30 Speaker 7: I push back on this because it is ultimately– always a left-wing impulse to say when a commodity like oil, which is produced all over the world by a bunch of different companies, goes up in price. And then to say the problem is the greedy oil companies, like they suddenly had. 01:05:47 Speaker 6: A surge of greed. 01:05:49 Speaker 7: And like, who did the same thing? Biden did the exact same thing. Biden did policies that caused mass inflation. And his line was that Inflation's not happening. There's just been greed among every company all at the same time. They didn't want to make money before. Now suddenly they're more greedy for money. You have to resist that temptation because the end result of that is, okay, well, we'll elect left-wing governments that will promise to fight greed and then, okay, whatever. We can elect Mamdani. 01:06:19 Speaker 5: There is an interesting aspect of the diesel price specifically that I think we should explore. And I generally agree with Blake. But listen, we've got this diesel. You've got tight global supplies. It's expensive refining rules and higher taxes all on diesel. And I remember when I was growing up, diesel was always cheaper than gas. And at some point it inverted. And operations like yours get squeezed because of that. And so there's also a nationwide gas tax that we could. 01:06:50 Speaker 6: Diesel's taxed more than gas, by the way. 01:06:52 Speaker 5: And we could do something about that in the short term and basically pause that tax to get relief to our manufacturers and our farmers and our ranches. So I'm all in favor of exploring all of those options because I'm with you 100%. We support American-raised beef like no other. But he is climbing out of a hole that Biden started. I mean, they were importing... foreign meats and foods like crazy during biden and i know i don't have to tell you this sir we love our ranchers and we got his back and we're gonna you know the the diesel prices and then you got the screw mexican screw worm and then you've got the fertilizer cost i mean they're really up against it and they are the backbone of this country we got to have their back i mean that's basically where i'm not only the. 01:07:34 Speaker 7: Backbone of the country but a big backbone of our movement he mentioned we're only one percent but these are the people who are most trump and He's right. Go look at the county map, the ranching country, the western Great Plains. That is 95% of the vote going for Trump. That is MAGA country. You've got to stand with your people. Because they want to be left alone more than anything. 01:07:53 Speaker 6: Politics, you've got to stand with your people, and there are people. 01:07:56 Speaker 5: You've got to have their back. So we have your back, Curtis, and you just inspired me. But we are going to talk about it on Monday with Ben Spell. Who's up next? 01:08:03 Speaker 15: We have Carol. 01:08:05 Speaker 5: Carol, welcome to the show. Unmute yourself. 01:08:09 Speaker 18: I did. 01:08:10 Speaker 4: Hi. 01:08:10 Speaker 9: Good morning. 01:08:10 Speaker 1: Hi. 01:08:11 Speaker 16: Yes. 01:08:12 Speaker 5: Maybe it's a little bit later. We're still in the morning here. 01:08:14 Speaker 12: Yeah. 01:08:15 Speaker 6: It's always morning. 01:08:16 Speaker 5: I just wanted. 01:08:16 Speaker 10: To ask about the memorial, um, that's happening September 10th. 01:08:21 Speaker 5: I've heard, um, you know, it looked like there was an invite, but I wanted to know if there was, you know, is that going to be online or no, or. Yeah, we're going to have it online. And, uh, but if you want to go in person, uh, I believe you can, I can, we can get the URL here real quick. Um, the uh do we can you look for that uh but yeah i mean we have people that have been contacting us wanting to travel from all over the country to be a part of it at uvu at the ucc u center at on campus there it was interesting there was a bunch of like press reports that oh the campus wasn't working with us or something and none of that was true we were just kind of working out the details and it will be uh the night of the 10th glenn beck's going to be speaking frank turek uh and actually frank turk's coming on the show on monday as well he's got a new book out and uh we'll cover it then too but we've got uh do we get it freedom what's the url Built to last. 01:09:19 Speaker 15: Nfpevents.tpusa.com. 01:09:21 Speaker 7: Yeah, let's paste that and get it up on the bottom there because it's always hard to read those. And also I'm checking, it will be live streamed on YouTube, on X, on Facebook, and on Rumble. So that should be a pretty wide array of places that you'll be able to watch it. And who knows, maybe we'll get carried by a TV station or two as well if we're fortunate because a lot of people are. 01:09:42 Speaker 6: Going to want to tune into that and. 01:09:45 Speaker 7: I suspect since we're holding it at that UVU facility, ideally we're able to pack the house there. 01:09:50 Speaker 1: Yeah. 01:09:52 Speaker 5: I believe it's set up for 3,500 people, as I understand it. But we could, in theory, expand it if there's a certain number of registrations. So we're working on that, and we'll kind of make those determinations. But yeah, Freedom Built to Last. CharlieKirkLegacy.com. CharlieKirkLegacy.com. That's the one. Now put that up on the URL. But it's going to be a really special event. And Andrew Seifer is going to be speaking. And Caleb Chilcutt, who was our campus chapter leader there, who's now on staff with us, which is amazing. He was our chapter leader when Charlie was killed. Yeah, CharlieKirkLegacy.com. So you can come from anywhere in the country. We would welcome you to be a part of that. Everybody's invited. And Charlie deserves a great night. And I know Glenn and Frank are going to do a great job. So thank you for asking about that. Next up, we have Tim. Tim, welcome to the show. Please unmute yourself. 01:10:50 Speaker 20: Thank you, Andrew. Good to see you guys again. So I am a frequent listener. I don't think I ever miss an episode of Thought Crimes. 01:10:59 Speaker 4: Yes. 01:11:00 Speaker 20: Enjoy your conversations there. There's one element of Thought Crimes that I think could be better or could be improved. one of the things that frustrates me is when you've got a lot of people, sometimes it's hard not to talk over each other, but there is a frequent offender on the group. So my thought, and this may be a thought crime, but I'm thinking if Jack Posso could wear a shot collar and give Blake the trigger at any time, because Jack most often seems to talk over Blake. 01:11:29 Speaker 5: If it's anybody, it's probably going to be Blake. 01:11:31 Speaker 20: And so I just think if Blake had a, you know, a trigger and, He could hit it, and if Jack's on camera, that could add to the entertainment value as well. 01:11:39 Speaker 5: I think it's all upside. 01:11:41 Speaker 20: I don't really see it. 01:11:42 Speaker 15: I am so for this. 01:11:43 Speaker 7: I have no comments to offer on this. I feel like it would probably be a conflict of interest for me to hold the trigger on that, so I think we're going to need to nominate someone neutral. 01:11:55 Speaker 5: I'll do it. 01:11:56 Speaker 6: You're going to do it? 01:11:57 Speaker 5: I'll do it. Actually, you know who I think should do it is Caboose in studio. Caboose, you got that camera in there too. 01:12:03 Speaker 1: Do we got you? 01:12:04 Speaker 5: I don't know if we can do it on this show. They set up different shows for the camera, but we got my mic. I'm here. Uh, what, what do you think of this idea? 01:12:11 Speaker 4: Caboose? 01:12:13 Speaker 15: Uh, yeah, sure. I'll, I'll hold the button. 01:12:17 Speaker 9: Okay. 01:12:17 Speaker 5: Do you agree with his assessment? 01:12:19 Speaker 20: We got Hassan Piker's dog on camera so we could get Jack. 01:12:25 Speaker 5: You know, it's funny about dog crime. God bless Jack. It's all right. Um, it is harder for Jack cause he is remote. 01:12:32 Speaker 2: Yes. 01:12:33 Speaker 5: Um, And, you know, we kind of– There's always the delay. That is hard. But, you know, thought crime, it is a conversation, and it does go round and round. And, you know, what's interesting about thought crime, though, is because we see the numbers on the back end. And praise God, you know, some of the callers this hour have been so sweet, just saying nice things about us and the things we've been able to accomplish this year. I genuinely believe it's– there's been so many terrible moments and there's been so many miracles and the, uh, the audience being faithful to us and sticking by us on the podcast and on this show and real America's voice has truly been a miracle in many ways because we don't deserve it. And, um, you know, we're, we're just, we're just trying to do right by Charlie and by Erica, by, by their family, by this organization. And, um, you know, the, the show is separate from the org, but you know, a lot of people see it as the same, even though it's not. And what's interesting about Thought Crime is it still is our most popular podcast episode every week when we drop it. And this goes back to when we first started with Charlie. It would always do, you know, 10 to 25 percent more. downloads every week. People love Thought Crime. And so if you guys are watching this and you have not watched Thought Crime or listened. 01:13:51 Speaker 11: To Thought Crime. 01:13:51 Speaker 6: We had a great episode yesterday, so give that one a listen. 01:13:54 Speaker 5: Yeah, it comes out at Saturday mornings. We drop it Saturday morning. 01:13:56 Speaker 6: But you can watch live Thursday, and you can be in the chat and everything. 01:14:00 Speaker 4: Yep, exactly. 01:14:01 Speaker 5: So we thank you to our Thought Crime fans, and we do get a little Thought Crime-y. Sometimes it's not Thought Crime-y. Sometimes we really push the envelope. And of all our shows, it's the one that goes viral the most often. And it's usually Jack... With some hot take, actually. What was his last one? It was like, Lord of the Rings is not Christian. Wasn't that his last one? 01:14:22 Speaker 6: Oh, yeah. He keeps saying it's pagan. It's overtly pagan. Yeah, overtly pagan. He says it's overtly pagan. Tyler says it's overtly gay. 01:14:30 Speaker 1: Wow. 01:14:32 Speaker 5: I like it. You like it. 01:14:33 Speaker 6: I think it's fine. 01:14:34 Speaker 5: I think it's great. I've never seen it. That's the real thought crime. 01:14:37 Speaker 6: That's pretty weird. That's pretty weird. 01:14:38 Speaker 5: It's like somebody who's saying they haven't seen Star Wars or something. 01:14:40 Speaker 4: Yeah. 01:14:41 Speaker 7: I kind of like people who haven't seen Star Wars. 01:14:44 Speaker 15: I've only seen like one or two of them. That was never my thing. 01:14:47 Speaker 6: See, that's cool. 01:14:48 Speaker 5: Danny's a sports guy. 01:14:50 Speaker 6: It's a little weird when people are like, you haven't seen Star Wars? You have to go see Star Wars right now. Now it's like a thought crime episode. 01:14:57 Speaker 5: This is getting up. Yeah, exactly. This is what thought crime is like a little bit. A lot of pop culture. 01:15:01 Speaker 6: Maybe I need the shot caller. 01:15:02 Speaker 5: Yeah. By the way, exclusive. Kanye exec Milo Yiannopoulos has been detained by ICE in Louisiana. Breaking news. Well, this has been fun. It's a Friday. We'll have to get more details on that. 01:15:14 Speaker 6: That's a weird way to end. 01:15:16 Speaker 5: God bless you all. Thank you for all the callers. And thank you for being so faithful and good to us. And, yeah, we come up on one year in the next couple weeks. A lot's going to be happening. We'll keep you informed of it along the way. God bless you. See you Monday. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.