The Transgender/Palestine Extremism Axis

00:00:03 Speaker 1: My name is Charlie kirk I run the largest pro American student organization in the country, fighting for the future of our republic. My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth. If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're gonna end up miserable. But if the most important thing is doing good, you'll end up purposeful. 00:00:24 Speaker 2: College is a scam, everybody. 00:00:26 Speaker 1: You got to stop sending your kids to college. You should get married as young as possible and have as many kids as possible. 00:00:31 Speaker 2: Go start at turning point. 00:00:32 Speaker 1: You would say college chapter. Go start at turning point, yould say high school chapter. Go find out how your church can get involved. Sign up and become an activist. 00:00:39 Speaker 2: I gave my. 00:00:39 Speaker 1: Life to the Lord in fifth grade, most important decision I ever made in my life, and I encourage you to do the same. Here I am Lord, Use me. Buckle up, everybody, Here we go. Noble Gold Investments is the official gold sponsor of the Charlie Kirkshaw, a company that specializes in gold iras and physical delivery of precious metals. Learn how you could protect your wealth with Noble Gold Investments at noblegold investments dot Com. That is Noblegoldinvestments dot Com. 00:01:17 Speaker 2: All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. It's Wednesday, May thirteenth. Lots of news going on. We're here at the y Reefi Studio in Phoenix, Arizona. 00:01:25 Speaker 3: How we doing, Blake, We're doing lovely, well, lovely, except we got since this morning. That's not good. 00:01:30 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, Chloe Cole event, We're going to get into that in just a second. Just to paint the broader landscape of news. This morning, there was an explosive hearing involving a CIA whistleblower, a label the CIA itself is contesting, which I think is an interesting dynamic there about the reporting from the CIA in Fauci, doctor Fauci's alleged involvement in shaping that reporting, whether it was a lab league or whether it came out of the market, and all of that whole story. Ram Paul is on the case, as well as Senator Hawley, Senator Ron Johnson. So some good guys on that, So hopefully we'll get some time to dive into that story. Also, President Trump has arrived in China for a much anticipated meeting with President. 00:02:19 Speaker 3: She basically every CEO in America. 00:02:22 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's traveling what with sixteen CE and the big Ones. Yeah, Tim cook elon Musk. Yeah, we've got a represent The Companies Representative is a massive and worth trillions and trillions of dollars market cap, So a lot going on there. So we're watching talks on AI, on tariffs, on fentanyl, on Iran, lots going on. China's definitely motivated to get their sluggish economy going. The energy squeeze on them has been bad, and they obviously want access to chips and AI things like that. So that's where we're watching right now. This is one of three planned meetings, I believe, so don't necessarily expect sweeping accords to come out of this meeting in China. It's more likely to be the first volley in a series of meetings coming up. So we're watching that. We want to tell you about something that happened last night at the University of Washington. We have been doing a series at Turning Point USA, what we call pick up the Mic events. These are proved Me Wrong style events that Charlie pioneered, and you know, instead of doing let's say twenty or thirty large ones as Charlie did, we're doing dozens and dozens and dozens all over the country with different speakers like Chloe Cole, who of course has been on the show a number of times. Chloe is a de transitioner, she's an activist in that space. Her whole life was turned upside down by bad advice from doctors, coercion from medical professionals and psychologists, and she speaks out on them. So this was a pick up the mic event in University of Washington in Seattle, and it turned into a big to do as you might expect in the Pacific Northwest, we saw protests against Turning Point USA. Flyers scattered throughout campus. 00:04:09 Speaker 3: Well, and we want to highlight a very interesting thing about this. It's very symbolic of the modern left. So we haven't thrown up here, but if you can't see it, it says May thirteenth protests against Turning Point USA, and it's two cross flags. And the cross flags are a Palestine flag and then a transgender flag, two issues that, if anything, are in conflict with each other given some of Islam's cultural values, but they're actually totally united because, as we like to point out, all left wing causes actually come together for the great universal left wing cause of destroying civilization. 00:04:45 Speaker 2: Yes, and specifically hating conservatives, hating white people, hating capitalists in the West West, so that those are their big boogeyman. So of course, the enemy of my enemy is my friend, at least until they get what they want. I suppose if they got what they want, ever, then they would eventually attack each other. 00:05:03 Speaker 3: But then it says on here it continues, So they wanted first, they were going to disrupt, bring flags, drums or anything to make noise, make the event impossible. They say, why protest Turning Point USA. This is what their flyer says. Charlie Kirk was a right wing Nazi Trump supporter and public speaker who visited college campuses who spout hate speech which is not real and create viral clips. His organization TPUSA shares his fascist views against minorities. And they say, and they basically demand to disrupt and shut down this Chloe Cole event. They call her a transphobic grifter, which is it's one way to describe a person whose life was nearly destroyed by this insane call the transmania. 00:05:47 Speaker 2: Chloe. I just want to make one note here. Chloe was adamant about the event continuing on. The chapter was adamant about the event continuing on. We wanted the event to continue on. Some of the people that we needed to be supportive of that event continuing on ultimately pulled out at the last minute. They didn't want liability, they didn't want potential of violence. Ultimately became unfeasible to keep the event continuing on. But the chapter and Chloe have immediately committed to rescheduling. There was a backdrop about this event that was somewhat interesting. So there was an actual murder on outside of campus. It was off campus housing near and around University Washington's campus up in Seattle. There was a stabbing murder of somebody that identifies as trans. It looks to be we don't know the details. The suspect is still a large the black individual, blackmail with a beard that apparently maybe even tried to break into this housing complex a couple of days before. And anyways, this person was stabbed to death, and so they were using that as sort of a backdrop to attack the event. 00:06:56 Speaker 3: Which they do a lot. They there is an elevated there is an elevated death rate for transgender Americans. And they love to spin it as if this is the result of hate crimes, that they're hunted by right wingers. This is not true. They're sadly more likely to die by suicide, by murder, by drug overdose because this lifestyle is associated with things that lead to an early death. This is one of the reasons this cult is so dangerous. 00:07:24 Speaker 2: And so harmful. Chloe has spoken out. She immediately released this video. Will play it for you, sad eleven. 00:07:30 Speaker 4: I was scheduled to speak tomorrow at an event at University of Washington hosted by kepusa's local chapters, and TIFA has assembled a local militia in their own words, to shut down this event. Their actions, their explicit threats on my life have raised this event to national attention, a level of attention or security team in the local PD are frankly unprepared for. Before Charlie Kirk's assassination, I think I would have been less careful, but the times have changed and speaking on a university campus in twenty twenty six can come with deadly consequences. This is not a win Frantifa, because truth will always win. I will be back once conversations stop. That is when the violence begins. 00:08:19 Speaker 2: So we're proud of Chloe. She's strong, she's courageous, Proud of that chapter. The chapter, by the way, has released a statement, and I think it's I think it was solid. As many in the Seattle area have heard, a transgender University Washington student was tragically murdered on Sunday night. The University of Washington chapter at Turning Put USA condemns this horrific act of violence and the strongest possible terms. Of course, they do, but it does seem disconnected. No one should ever be subjected to such senseles brutality. Our thoughts and condolences are with the victims, family and friends. In light of this tragedy, and by an overwhelming surge of violent threats directed at our chapter, threats that appear deliberately designed to falsely associate our peaceful event with the murder, we have made the difficult decision to postpone our upcoming event with Chloe Cole Tbosa at U is not leaving campus, who remain fully committed to promoting free speech, open dialogue, and intellectual diversity at the University of Washington. We look forward to rescheduling this important conversation at the earliest appropriate time, so well said from them. And I think that you're seeing something we talked about yesterday on the show with Miranda Devine, that there is a rise in left wing violence directed at conservatives, especially Turning Point USA campus conservatives. And this weird confluence of the Antifa, trans Tifa, and palassigned pro Palestign aligned groups coming together to really threaten conservatives. It has to stop, and hopefully the administration is getting serious about cracking down on some of these networks that spew such hatred. All Right, So President Trump is in China and it's a it's a I think a landmark meeting because of the backdrop that we are experiencing this upon, and that is Iran. You've got the Taiwan issue. You've got ai and semiconductors that's a huge issue. You've got fentanyl, which again the Chinese keeps saying, oh, we deny knowledge of this, but they are absolutely the country that is sending the precursors for fentanyl, and they could stop it. So that's gonna expect that to be a huge point of contention. But President Trump lands in China, he's not greeted by g so that that is something she was not there, but expect dinner and things like that to come. Yeah, there's but they did roll out the red carpet. There was you know, people waving flags, much to do a lot of pageantry. And so I find this whole backdrop with President Trump very fascinating because President Trump is a president that has defied the customs and norms and traditions of previous presidents. It's not a flaw of the system, it's not a bug, it is the system. Defying the experts is one of the things that President Trump does best. Sometimes he flies by the seat of the pants, trust his instinct, and depending on who you are, it's either genius or it's unnerving and unsettling. But even with President Trump, with something this choreographed, this big, he's sort of still bound by the system, by these hundreds of years of precedent of diplomacy that has existed between countries, and so if he is going to improvise, it's kind of moment by moment, and it's within a larger structure where you have assigned seats, you have pageantry, you have people, you have to shake hands, you have this red carpet, visit. So there's much much to pay attention to here in this visit. But I want to play this b role as well, comparing and contrasting President Trump's arrival in China with Obama, which this was in September twenty sixteen. He Obama arrived in hangs Out, China for the G twenty summit, and you can really see the difference of the President Trump greeting versus the Obama greeting, where it really wasn't much to do. Now, maybe President she is just playing the individual personalities of the leaders, right Obama, you know, didn't need such pageantry, Perhaps is what she was expecting. But also I think it underscores the larger stakes of the game now, right, because I think it's safe to say Blake that never before in American Chinese sort of diploma diplomatic history have the stakes been so high. Has China been viewed as such a rival and on somewhat equal footing. They're not equal, but it's closer to equal with the US. Never before has there been such a challenge to our superpower leadership of the world. But it also shows that China really wants to get something out of this as well. 00:12:48 Speaker 3: Your thoughts, Blake, Yeah, I think I'll be honest, if they're putting on a bigger show, I think they know that that appeals to the president. 00:12:54 Speaker 2: We saw playing the person very. 00:12:56 Speaker 3: Similar to what we saw in the Middle East when remember when he did that first trip and it was to all the Middle Eastern countries and it was just escalating more and more respect. Have a have, you know, bring him a giant piloting emeralds on a camel or something. Yeah, but I think, uh, it's I think the most interesting thing is how many different CEOs went and how that dynamic is going to work out because you're watching, well, so many different things going to that first It is a way for President Trump to say, look, all of the biggest companies in the world, the most profitable ones are still in the US. We have this huge amount of power, but there's also this dimension. A lot of those CEOs want to tag along. We know, we know the President gets influenced by the people that he's talking to, that he hangs around with, and these guys, a lot of them do want a pretty They want more normalization with China. Jensen Wang of Nvidia is there. He wants to be able to send all his chips to China. 00:13:52 Speaker 2: He flew on Air Force One with President Trump, so Jensen and uh and Elon both were on endest. 00:14:00 Speaker 3: I think we I'm I'll be honest, I'm a little bit worried about it, just in the sense that we know, how did China manage to rocket sow up and hoover up all of our manufacturing in the first place. They told them in the nineties and early two thousands, if we send our factories to China, if we send our business to China, if we just normalize all our economic stuff with them, China will liberalize, China will become more like us. We really won't need to worry about communist China because all the communism and authoritarianism will go away. And I'm worried. We're seeing a replay of that on the chips question, where there are people who have a very strong reason to believe this, because you can make a ton of money selling chips to China, who are saying, oh, well, actually, if we give China our chips, we're already ahead. They won't catch up that quickly, like We'll be able to get the money and we'll still have the advantage over them on this key technology. And maybe they're right, they're smarter than I am, but it sounds like something I've been before. 00:14:53 Speaker 2: We're clear about the chip strategy currently in place, and I'm sure this is going to be a topic of discussion with she. The our chip strategy is to give them a generation older slightly degraded. So imagine it would be a generation it's an older generation chip, but still powerful, still better than what they have, still better than what they have. 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That's discount code Charlie for ten percent off your order. All right, Brandon gil you are a representative from Texas I believe twenty six and you're also on the House Oversight Committee. You have a big new task force out, sir, to confront medicaid fraud. We had Luke Rosiak on the show from the Daily Wire exposing that bombshell reporting. It seems like you guys are taking the ball and running tell us about it, sir. 00:17:31 Speaker 5: Well, this is a new task force that Chairman Comer created that I'm going to chair, called the Task Force on Defending Constitutional Rights and Exposing Institutional Abuse. And we've got a broad mandate to look at all kinds of areas where the American people's rights are being violated, whether that is inngos that are funneling tax dollars to left wing the left wing ecosystem, or entities that are defrauding medicaid, or businesses that are still utilizing deis as discriminate as part of discriminatory hiring practice. These are universities doing the same. But to begin this task force, we're launching officially an investigation into this Ohio Medicaid fraud scandal, and the reporting from the Daily Wire has been fantastic on this. This is a scandal that we believe to be at least about a billion dollars right now, where you've got doctors who are signing off on Medicaid waiver forms that are allowing people to engage in home health is what it's called, and that includes explicitly companionship and conversation. So these are people who you don't have to be a doctor to do this, you don't have to prove that the services are being provided. There's no cap on the spend for this program, and you've got a whole variety of shell LLCs that have been created over the past several years that are acting as intermediaries to facilitate these what we believed many to be fraudulent payments. Going to be our first order of business, We announced last night that we sent out letters asking for information, communications, and documents from several of these LLCs, as well as the Ohio Medicaid program and the Bureau of Program Integrity, because at the end of the day, we just want to know where our tax dollars are going. Is it going to fraudulent entities. Is it actually benefiting the American people? And in this case, it looks like the answer is no. So we're going to figure out what's going on and put an end to it. 00:19:30 Speaker 3: Congressman, it strikes me like what you really want to bring out here. There's the fraud element, but it's the way it fits into what I think a lot of people see is the bigger picture of America an idiom try like it's like America is a giant pile of money the entire world has realized it can just take. Or it's like a giant pile of molasses and there's all these flies on it because you have fraudulent businesses, whether it's in medicaidor daycares or whatever. But then that then ties into well, you have fraud the immigration system, you have fraud in h oneb's and hiring, you have fraud in It's like it's a giant apparatus where we have universal basic income if you will, as long as you're not an ordinary American who was born here and speaks English, we have universal Basic English. If you're from a Klanish group that's able to not talk to police that operates outside the system and you have OMERTA and you just take whatever you can and the Democrats all but it's like it's reparations combined with third world aid. It's like it's we have USAID is still continuing, but it's for people in this country. And I guess what I would hope is you guys don't just find the fraud, but you really expose how this system has been created and sustains itself. 00:20:48 Speaker 5: That's exactly right. And to be clear, the goal is not simply to expose fraud. The goal is to put an end to it. You know, we saw this fraud in Minnesota. We're going after it in Ohio. I think that they're multiple other states that we ought to be looking at as well, and we will. But the goal is to ultimately ended And with this task force, what I'd like to do is where applicable, where the facts merit doing so, I think we want to issue criminal referrals to the DOJ. And we're also going to put out policy recommendations for the Broader Republican Conference to take up so that we can pass legislation that will make sure this doesn't happen again. And that's why we're going we're going deep here. We're going to investigate this. Remember, the Oversight Committee in this Task Force as well, has investigatory power, and that's an authority that Congress has through these committees that we ought to be using, and we're going to. So we have the power to bring people in to put them under oath, to make them testify before the committee. We're going to have hearings. We have the power to subpoena documents and information, which we've already done here. We have more subpoenas that are going out or requests for information that are going out in the next couple of days. And we're going to use every power at our disposal to go after this fraud because ultimately, the American people are so sick of this stuff. You know, we've seen it for a long time. We knew things were bad. DOGE, I think, uncovered far more than anybody was aware of or had any idea was happening. 00:22:18 Speaker 6: You know. 00:22:19 Speaker 5: The reason that we know about this medicaid fraud, by the way, is because DOGE published medicaid receipts about a year ago and it allowed reporters and other people to go through this data. So now we're taking that and we're acting on it. 00:22:31 Speaker 2: Congressmen, are you guys going to be using AI tools to sort of, like, you know, detect patterns that are suspicious? Are you going to be using technology? I really just I really believe in the power of AI when it comes to fraud detection. It's one of the best uses of it in my opinion. Are you guys exploring that already? 00:22:50 Speaker 5: That's something that we're going to take a look at. I think anything you know, if you look at the amount of data here, and I think that's one of the things that seems daunting at first, is that they're there's an enormous amount of documents to go through, and I think AI could certainly be a part of helping streamline that process. And there may be processes that we can put in place going forward that would help catch this on the front end as opposed to doing investigations on the back end. 00:23:16 Speaker 2: Right, And I think you've got yeah, go ahead. 00:23:19 Speaker 5: I was going to say, you've got multiple problems here with incentive misalignment. States that are going out federal money that they don't aren't really on the hook for, and their incentivised to give out essentially as much money as they possibly can, and that's a problem as well. 00:23:34 Speaker 2: Yeah, and why I wanted to draw attention to this for our audience, Congressman is I want to read this quote from Chairman Comer because I think it's it's what sets this task force apart. I think you're exactly the right person to be running it. I have a lot of hope for this task force because of your leadership. But this is his quote says, under his leadership, I'm reading from Fox News, we will continue to expose radical ideologies being put pushed on Americans and fight to safeguard our freedom that we've enjoyed as a nation for two hundred and fifty years. And it says Gill's task force will have a broad purview, including investigating institutions that uphold diversity, equity, and inclusion, and individuals who misuse immigration and social welfare programs, and efforts by foreign actors and dark money groups to censor American speech. That quote from Comer, where he says expose the ideologies being pushed on Americans is so critical because yes, there's structural issues, there's incentive issues, but underlying all of this is this dogged drive to force down DEI to this reparations for brown people that are foreigners that have no business being in this country. This it's like USA for people living in the country or something. This reparations. This UBI pushed the clear waivers, these waiver systems that essentially don't allow proper oversight and accountability of these systems. You're going after root causes here, which is what I believe makes this a very very powerful potential of this task force. And so maybe explain the core element there. 00:25:09 Speaker 5: Well, you know, it's not just the medicaid fraud that we're going to be going after. I'll give I'll give you another example of something that we're working on now, and we'll have more information as we continue to do our work on it. But we're going to be going after DEI in civil society as well, whether it is colleges and universities that refuse to admit somebody because they were born with white skin, or businesses who were refused to hire somebody because they're a white male, or for any other racial characteristic. By the way, and these are this is activity that is clearly illegal right now, but I think it's still happening. You know, these are policies that have been so ingrained into universities and into businesses that it's not something that's easy to turn off overnight. And the best way to ensure that the law is being followed, the law that the president was elected to put forth, is to expose this. To investigate businesses or colleges or other entities that are engaging in these types of discriminatory practices, put them under oath, do an investigation, get documents, get communications from them, and then we can make criminal referrals where necessary. But the root cause of that is a rotten, evil, discriminatory ideology that's done, of course, is we all know it under the guise of diversity and inclusion, and what it's tended to mean is that there's a large portion of people in the United States, mainly white people, are people who have races that the left doesn't favor, who are kind of passed over for promotions, for hiring, for college admissions, and that's wrong and that's what we're going to end. But that is the root cause that the rotten ideology that we're going to expose, I think very clearly. 00:26:52 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we want to celebrate it and have your back one hundred percent Congress Gil, you are doing great work. I said it last time. I'm going to say it again. I think you're a rising star, and the GOP want to see your star continue to rise because you get it. You understand what we're up against. You know, to use a cliche, you understand what time it is. 00:27:10 Speaker 3: We love to say Congress is getting better, one new person at a time. And when we say that, we're thinking of you. 00:27:15 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, And so keep up the good work, and we're gonna we're gonna follow your work on this task force very closely and as we can amplify the stories that come out, please let us do so. Congressman Brandon, go God bless you man. 00:27:27 Speaker 6: Thank you. 00:27:28 Speaker 2: All right, we wanted to touch on a hearing that's happening on Capitol Hill right now led by Chairman Ram Paul, and it is about the origins of COVID. Yeah, we haven't let that one go yet. Doctor Fauci's names back in the news. There's a CIA whistle blower that was his name is James Erdman the third, so he was part of the CIA. And now there's some you know, back and forth between the CI saying you didn't go through the proper channels. This guy's not a real whistle blower, and we'll get into that in just a second. But the bottom line here is that the allegations from this whistleblower are that doctor Anthony Fauci himself put his thumb on the scales to make sure that the assessment from the intel community was not clear and directive about it being a lab leak. He instead made sure it was the reports said it was neutral, that we think we couldn't know even though the vast majority of CIA analysts did believe it was a lab leak, according to this gentleman, so let's just play a couple of clips here. 00:28:30 Speaker 3: It to three you believe, And the information you're aware of is that CIA scientists from an early time after the pandemic began twenty twenty twenty twenty one. 00:28:42 Speaker 7: Were concluding that the lab leak was the most likely hypothesis. 00:28:48 Speaker 8: Yes, Senator, very early, as early as twenty twenty, there were agencies within the IC circulating papers that said that all the conditions were present for a lab leak. 00:29:00 Speaker 2: He continues, specifically mentioning doctor Fauci's role tot six. 00:29:06 Speaker 8: Doctor Fauci's role in the cover up was intentional. Doctor Fauci influenced the analytical process and findings by leveraging his position to ensure the IC consulted with a conflicted list of curated subject matter experts, public health officials and scientists. This included some of the authors of the paper The Proximal Origin of sars Cove two, and other public health experts who have been in his orbit for the last twenty plus years. 00:29:37 Speaker 2: So doctor Fauci's name is getting dropped directly in this hearing. And he continued on, I mean, this was a real bombshell of a hearing. TOT seven. 00:29:46 Speaker 8: There were two instances, on three February twenty twenty and four June twenty twenty one, Anthony Fauci had contact with the Inner Agency. He provided a curated list of subject matter experts, which Quinn's scidentally wrote The Proximal Origin of sarskov too. So it's not like he came in and said you have to do X, Y and Z provided recommendations. It's when you look at when you look at what has already been publicly released about doctor Fauci, and then what you're seeing under the curtain at the IC, where you realize, okay, there is a narrative that was being generated. He had tried to sort of keep his hands clear of I didn't have anything to do with the proximal origin of Sarskov too. But in the meantime he's pushing those authors and individuals that have been in his orbit into the IC as experts. 00:30:37 Speaker 2: So he's directly naming doctor Anthony Fauci and explaining the way he would do it, where he wouldn't give direction that was necessarily you have to do X, Y and Z. But he was absolutely weighing in providing recommendations of which scientists he preferred to be involved in the origin reports of some COBE two. And then there is this whole issue of the CIA, right, so the CIA issued a statement, this statement about this whistleblower. This statement happened during the committee hearing. Ron Johnson, who we've had on the show a number of times, ends up reacting to it and just went off and you could see that he was actually had a visceral response anger to this statement made by the CIA. 00:31:28 Speaker 7: Top five just received this from Liz Lyon, the CIA Director of Public Affairs. MIDIA acted in bad faith by subpoena an agency officer for testimony today without notifying CIA, despite having already obtained closed door testimony from the individual previously. The witness testifying today is not appearing as a whistleblower and pursuit of the truth, but instead in response to the subpoena issued by Chairman Paul. This proceeding amounts to nothing more than a dishonest political theater massquading as a congressional hearing as the CIA is already assessed COVID nineteen most likely originated from the LAB leak, and efforts to undermind that inclusion are disingenuous. I'm calling on CIA Director Radcliffe and this person to apologize the Chairman Paul and this committee. 00:32:09 Speaker 6: This is not political theater. 00:32:12 Speaker 7: I have years and years and years of built up frustration of agencies like the CAA, Department of Justice, the FBI, HHS snubbing our oversight, giving us the big middle finger. 00:32:26 Speaker 2: Yeah, Ron Johnson does have years of built up frustration, and this is something we've seen, especially from the IC and snubbing oversight constitutional oversight of it. 00:32:38 Speaker 3: It's so important to get to the bottom of this because COVID is becoming Everything about that period is becoming the great attempt to memory hole every single thing about it. They try to memory hole Floyda palooza. We see people going around saying, oh, when did we ever, when did we ever start doing all these insane racial propaganda, And they do it with COVID where they'll say, oh, we didn't enforce massive lockdowns, and anyone we've seen this. We've seen people try to say that, you know, months or years of lockdowns was it was a made up thing. It was not made up. And they definitely definitely want to suppress everything that was going on in the winter and spring of twenty twenty. 00:33:14 Speaker 2: Well even when they were fall of twenty nineteen. Yes, but yes, well. 00:33:17 Speaker 3: They want to obscure everything that would reveal that they colluded to push a narrative about COVID that they knew they couldn't back up, but that they knew would keep them out of trouble, and then they made up lockdowns when they did not have actual scientific basis for this. 00:33:33 Speaker 2: Well, and you're talking about what why would they be worried about getting into trouble, It's because we funded so much of this research. Research has been a highly controversial form of research is gain a function research for twenty years, maybe longer. Rampaul talks about that in this hearing, and they did not want their funding to be linked to a global pandemic. And yeah, the CIA has concluded now that the most plausible hypothesis is that it was allowed league from Wuhan. But they didn't at the beginning, and why didn't they at the beginning? 00:34:04 Speaker 3: Not only did they not say that they actively colluded with large tech companies to censor people who made that argument, they tried to impose mass censorship on a narrative that they then later turned around and said was the one they believed in. And it was one of the most despicable things done. 00:34:22 Speaker 2: And I mean candidly, if this does not end in some sort of accountability for doctor Anthony Fauci, then I don't think that the American people are going to get justice. But I hope that this is the beginning of it. And I listen, I have a lot of disagreements with Senator rand Paul, but when it comes to Anthony Fauci, this man is on fire and he is like a dog with a bone, and we cheer him on. We do need to get accountability. We need all the people that were involved in this. All the players to admit the truth, to come clean, stop playing defense, stop sending nasty grams to Senator Ron Johnson and Senator Rand Paul, who have been leading an outfront on this. Support their efforts one hundred percent. We want justice, we want truth, we want account ability. Doctor Fauci is eighty five years old. He deserves to die in disgrace under indictment. 00:35:08 Speaker 6: Amen. 00:35:11 Speaker 3: Hey, everyon, we're excited to tell you about Charlie's favorite supplement. If you experience brain fog, low energy, frequent illnesses, or if you just wake up stiff and achey every day, you've got to try strong cell. Charlie took it every single day. He frequently talked about it on the show, and he even traveled around the country bringing it with him. For Charlie, strong cell helped keep his mind sharp and focused for all the debates he was engaged in. Strong cell gives clean natural energy without jitters, weird spikes, or afternoon crashes. 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He's got his new New York Times bestseller out here called Vaccines Mythology, Ideology and Reality. You can check it out right here, and then the Courage to Face COVID nineteen right here as well. So he's got two books that I want you guys to check out. You probably got more than that, actually, but you are a really accomplished doctor. I mean, I remember when we first had you on. We read your bio and it was like a mile long. You're one of the most published doctors around, and you know, you were so instrumental I think in changing the way the country thought about COVID, the way it thought about doctor Fauci, the way it thought about our response to it, medical freedom. And so it's really great to have you here. And you know, I want to start work where we kind of ended last hour. I know you were in the green room watching some of our reporting on it and our coverage of it. But you know, doctor Anthony Fauci is a guy. I mean, Blake ended the hour saying that he's eighty five years old. He desired, he did, he deserves to die in disgrace, in indictment. He did receive a preemptive pardon from the Bible. The way around, We'll find a way around it. What when you see that those clips, and you see that there was a concerted effort within the intel communities to obscure, obfuscate the origin of COVID nineteen, that it was a lab. It wasn't a lab league it was neutral or inconclusive. When it was so clearly Wuhan, the lab at Wuhan, Well, what do you make of it? How do you react to this hearing that you just witnessed? 00:39:31 Speaker 9: It's another piece to the puzzle. It appears as if Fauci was collaborating with doctor Ralph Barrick at the UNC Chapel. Hill had already published on his work in the Chinese Lab. Ralph Barrick suspended at UNC today, he's actually abruptly resigned. 00:39:49 Speaker 2: Fauci was that's news. 00:39:50 Speaker 9: Yeah, And Fauci was collaborating clearly with now debarred Peter Dasik at the Eco Health Alliance. Desick was shuttling the plans from Barrick over to Shingling Leon Wuhan. 00:40:00 Speaker 2: Well, explain that too, by the way, because we used to do Barrick used to do that in the United States at UNC that this this gain of function research was done domestically. Then I believe during the Obama years, right it was, there was a moratorium put on that type of research because this has widely been in for a long a long time been viewed as controversial science because there has been such a large number of lab leaks and accidents throughout the years. People think this was like a one off. No, there's hundreds and hundreds of documented cases of lab leaks throughout the years, even at I mean what I forget the the This was like Wuhan is like a level two and you know the highest securities level four, right right. 00:40:40 Speaker 9: Well, Wuhan during the early creation of Stars Kobe two it was level three, and then the Chinese reached out to Biomeru at the time to make a level for annex. Do you know who the CEO of of biomer U when they built the annex in Wuhan. No, it was Stefan Bainzel, who's the current CEO of Maderna. Oh wow, you can't make this up. So I tell you there was a collaboration. There was a US Chinese collaboration to make the virus, to have it have pandemic potential. And at the same time, in Barrack's papers and proceeds the National Academy of Sciences in Nture Medicine, these papers in twenty fifteen twenty sixteen indicate that the plan is to create a vaccine. In fact, they tried to create a vaccine in those papers, and you know it's all well documented. 00:41:29 Speaker 2: So is that kind of the broad motive? Because to the layman, you're going, why on earth would you create a virus that could cause a mass pandemic, a global pandemic in the first place? Why even do that? Is the larger narrative here. Just money. They wanted to create the cure to the disease so that they could make money. Maybe it was not Moult, Maybe it wasn't I don't know, some evil, vile, diabolical conspiracy. It was an actual accident. They didn't mean for it to get out. But why do the research in the first place? What's their explanation and what's what do you believe is the truth? 00:42:06 Speaker 9: That's my interpretation. I think it accidentally got out of the lab. But I can tell you if you just look at government websites. DARPA, the Military Research Unit. Twenty twelve, they announce a program it's called the adept P three program. On their website it says we will end pandemics in sixty days using messenger RNA vaccines. That's in twenty twelve. 00:42:30 Speaker 2: So it's financial incentive though basically. And we were talking in the break doctor about this hantavirus outbreak that we've seen on this cruise ship and how this seems to be. You know a lot of people every time a news story comes out about some virus, everybody gets PTSD of COVID and we instantly all go, oh no, they're doing it again. So you know, the handa virus you were telling me, there's even there's already Maderna I believe you said was Moderna's already working on a vac scene for that. So let's just separate fact from fiction. What are you seeing with this hantavirus outbreak on this cruise ship. What do we need to pay attention to is their cause for concern. 00:43:11 Speaker 9: Hantovirus is a virus that is serious. It causes a pulmonary and renal syndrome that can be fatal. Most of the fatalities, this forty percent mortality rate comes from rural villages down in Argentina. I mean there's a lot of deaths that occur. People never even get to the hospital. So I think with modern hospital care, in fact, in the current outbreak, the hospital is saving patients. The important point is it spread from miser rats through the urine and feces into the dust in the air and people breathe it into the lungs. No one's ever coughed out or sneezed out hantovirus from a human to human. That's never happened. And there was a I think a paper that was deceptive. It was published in twenty twenty with a fantastic title and doing the journal Medicine. First offthor Is Martinez. It said super spreaders of hantovirus, super spreadters, as if human could spread it. And it was a very poorly done study down in a poion in Argentina, a place where the rodents are loaded with the virus, and they thought people went to a birthday party that they spread it to one they spread it to one another. But in fact, the houses were probably loaded with these rodents because they're all over the village. It's a misinterpretation. The Infectious Disease Society of America two years later publishes a paper by Toledo that clarifies it and says, no, this is not spread human to human. Well, what's gone on with this outbreak? The who has immediately assumed there's no rodents on the boat. Let me tell you, this is an older ship. Rodents get on the boat. They're immediately assuming that it's being spread person to person, and so this is a serious thing. The WEHO gets involved, in my view, on May second, when they knew what was going on, they were in Cape Verdi, they should have evacuated the ship and then decommissioned the ship for sterilization. What did they do They locked down the ship. People could not get out of their Also, they locked it down. Probably the virus is in the ventilatory system. People weren't exchanging saliva on the ship. Come on, I don't buy that for a second. And then people got sick. In fact, when we get to the tenth and they finally get off up in the carrying an island Canary Island's a French woman. She actually is an ICU right now fighting for life in France. That one's on the who she should have never been on that ship. 00:45:19 Speaker 2: So your presumption here, your theory is that there are rodents on the ship. It's an old ship. They have the hantavirus that people are breathing it in through the ventilation system on the boat. The safest thing would have been to get them off the boat, not lock them in basically a death trap. 00:45:38 Speaker 3: Correct. 00:45:39 Speaker 9: And I think now this assumption that each person is super contagious. They have people locked down in Nebraska in a biosecurity center. In the Netherlands. They've told some healthcare workers because they didn't wear hasmad suits and they came in you know, peripheral contact with someone, that they have to go six weeks of quarantine themselves. It's complete hysteria. 00:46:01 Speaker 2: Wow, well they you know, it feels like any anything they can do to make people concerned and worried. It's just, you know, I'm grateful for your your your measured tone here, sir. So play some of this b roll from this ship, this Haunt of Virus cruise ship, because you're observing things that I don't think the normal person would observe. When you're looking at this, you're seeing h yes, see here you go, here's the here's this, here's the ship. And basically you see all these guys in hazmat suits walking around because again they're sort of the assumption is that this is human to human contact or something. What what are you observing when you see these images? 00:46:44 Speaker 9: Doctor, Well, first off, respiratory viruses, which is this is not respiratory viruses don't transmit in the open ocean air. You can't get a virus in a sea breeze. So the safest place for the people to be the the entire time would have been on the ship deck instead. When the who got involved in Cape verdie on May second, they lock people underneath, and you're gonna see some images now where the people are in their cabins with no hazmat suits and they look desperate. They go outside, they put on these personal protective gowns and caps and gloves and everything. Then they hoe them down outside. Now watch carefully. Some of the other people around them have no masks or head and the hasmad suits, including the driver. So to me, this looks like who theater? 00:47:31 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you mentioned that the WAHOW doesn't even treat anybody, right, they don't treat people all. 00:47:37 Speaker 6: It's all. 00:47:38 Speaker 2: This is why President Trump is vindicated now for pulling us out. I so in this whole story, I was reminded of the Gene Hackman story. All right, So Gene Hackman and his wife, you guys will remember, were found dead in their new Mexico house. Really sad story. Gene Hackman, a very celebrated, accomplished actor, did some great iconic roles. It was a sad way to go out. I mean, he was in his nineties, I believe, and they found him either dead of a heart attack or dehydrated. His wife, though, was confirmed to have died from haunted. 00:48:09 Speaker 3: It seems what happened is she died and then he was He had dementia and so he was dependent on her and he couldn't care for himself. 00:48:16 Speaker 2: Correct. So it was a terrible, terrible way to go. But she died of hantavirus. So this is very interesting because you talked about this Argentina story where it's carried by mice in rodents. What can you tell us about this Gene Hackman story That would be you know, illuminating for this current cruise ship story. 00:48:35 Speaker 9: Well, it takes about a week to ascertain where the rodents are to sample the droppings in the urine, and they did find rodents on his property as out buildings. They even found some of this actually in his vehicles. She dies of it, this really brutal pulmonary renal syndrome. And the interpretation is he has such severe dementia he ultimately dies of dehydration heartach. By the way, one of the dogs died as well, not of hantavirus, but probably of a dehydration. But it takes at least a week of investigation. Do you know what the who did with the ship the MVY Hondias in Cape Verde? After they got the people off, they kind of looked around and they said, well, we don't see any rats here. They didn't do any inspections, no samples. They let the crew thirty crew and some healthcare workers get back on the ship and then sail for Rotterdam without any biosecurity precaution. So why are Americans locked down in Omaha, Nebraska in a contagion center and why are the crew sailing off to Rotterdam on the ship this is astounding. 00:49:43 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're saying that there could be some of these crew members that end up getting exposed to the rat droppings or whatever in the ventilation system. There could be more crew members that come down with hantavirus. 00:49:54 Speaker 9: It's possible. I'm hoping that they are wise enough to know what's going on, at least chlorox down the surfaces. They do say that they're wearing masks now, and by the way, masks would play a role because these are on large dust particles. But the WHO has said when they get to Rotterdam, these guys are in six to eight weeks of quarantine. 00:50:14 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you couldn't you since it is it's not respiratory you were saying, it's you could you should be able to do a blood test and see if they're carrying the virus. 00:50:22 Speaker 9: Right, it's a blood PCR test. Now, it tends to have false positives. We already had two people go to Emory. Remember, oh, she's blood test positive, but then quickly it was negative and she's fine. So what we need is we use the blood PCR test and then there are also sorologies or early antibody measurements, and of course the clinical syndrome should be recognized by the doctors. But this report that you see in the media of somebody test positive, it's not helpful. 00:50:49 Speaker 2: Yeah, so this feels like this huge panic over something that's linked to rat droppings, and they keep talking about human to human contact or it's tough to pay to human but it could happen. Your perspective is that this has never even been documented as being a thing that happens. So we shouldn't be causing all this hysteria over something that's linked to rat dropping. 00:51:10 Speaker 9: We shouldn't make a theoretical assumption, which is entirely what the WHO has done and the CDC has done. The theoretical assumption is somehow it's jumped to human to human transmission and there's not even an explanation of how this is happening, that people are not coughing and sneezing, how is this being transmitted human to humans? Just this assumption, and then to make matters worse, that it's wildly contagious outside has maad suits, biosecurity centers people away from their families and for a very long periods of time. And by the way, the latency phase on this is probably grossly overestimated. It's been said, oh, you can have the virus for eight weeks before it's expressed. I think that's overestimated because in these studies, largely from South America and the desert Southwest, we never know when the exposure to the rodent is. If someone's in the house and the rodents are still back behind the walls, you're continually exposed. What we saw is the ship takes off at April first, everybody's well. The first band gets sick by April six, and he's dead by April life. 00:52:13 Speaker 2: So but it could be possible that he brought the hand virus with him. It could be it's possible. 00:52:17 Speaker 9: There's been speculation that they came in a garbage dump and they tracked it on their feet. Let me tell you, the virus doesn't stay alive outside the rodents very long, only about two to three days. So the rodents have to be there continually excreting in order for you to get there. So that's the reason why rodent control is key. I think this whole thing is probably going to be back to roadents spread, not human to human. I don't think people are wildly contagious, and you can see experts going out there saying, you know, we see this happening and an air of precaution, but no one is able to identify clear human human spread. 00:52:53 Speaker 2: All right, we've only got a minute and thirty left. I want to ask you about Marty McCarey, who was the head of the FDA, and he has resigned. Now, huge, huge following within the MAHA movement. So I'm watching the Maha movement and you know, are they happy? Are they unhappy? Because I think it's an important part of our coalition for twenty twenty six, twenty twenty eight. Just really quickly, what's your read on what happened there? And you know, should we be concerned if you're a Maha fan, well, you know, like me. 00:53:24 Speaker 9: Mac Gray was a frequent commentary on the news on Fox, for instance, so we went on primetime many times during the pandemic. Now, he focused on lockdowns and masks, and I was focused on the heavy duty things like early treatment in vaccines. He was the first surgeon to ever be appointed to that position. He didn't have any leadership experience and didn't have any drug development experience. I think, honestly, he just wasn't a good fit. Trump had very good things to say about him. Yeah, but I think we need to do better. We need somebody who has bona fide drug development and drug safety experience. 00:53:56 Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's come on this show. He's been great. Charlie and he were friends, and you know, we wish him, We wish him well. It could just be one of those things where it wasn't the right fit. 00:54:04 Speaker 5: Uh. 00:54:05 Speaker 2: He's a great guy, been very courageous during COVID. So anybody that's couragous during COVID has my massive respect, like you, sir. So hopefully, hopefully he goes on to even greater and better things. 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Huge, huge job, and you have taken front and center and so much of what the administration is doing with this fraud task. Course, when you entered this job, did you know that this was going to be such a huge part of what you did? 00:56:23 Speaker 6: You know? We made OKRs objectives and key results. Folks who work in the technologies based they will recognize that's a tactic that's used with large organizations to sort of make sure everyone knows where you're headed. Crushing fraud, waste and abuses one of them. And I'll tell you why. I was approached by so many vendors after the President nominated me, who wanted to sell us services to reduce fraud, waste and abuse. So I figured there's a lot of market here. All these people think they're going to make a fortune shutting down fraud. By the way, they take a part of the action, which is why they make so much money. I thought, if there's one hundred vendors approaching me to sell me services, there's something going on. I got to pay attention to so it actually clued me into the magnitude of the problem. What I didn't realize was that fraud and mist and carefully fraud is not a flaw for many states, it's a feature, it's an opportunity. And let me walk you through an example, because once you understand that, you realize where that we're not actually a team going after this. This is why what the President did was so important when he announced a task force, a White House Anti Fraud task force that the Vice President is leading. That's going to be able to get an all of government approach because if you don't get the entire federal government on board, you know, the Office Inspective General, the FBI, Department of Justice, US at Medicare we have, we have the numbers, they have, the law enforcement shops. We need Treasury because scott business guys have forensic accounting. If we don't do that together, our counterparty, which are the states? Did they dominate the process and if they don't want to play with us because for them there's an advantage in some of this fraud, it's a problem. So let me just tell you the story real quick. Just in one example, New York State, big state. You know fifth Avenue shopping sales, right, you would think Mamdani right. The number one job and the whole state of New York the number one job is being a personal cursed care service helper, which means you're carrying the groceries upstairs, you're helping with shopping. You're often the sun of the person you're helping. 00:58:16 Speaker 3: So you have like one in six jobs in New York City. 00:58:19 Speaker 6: I think so, well, it might be that in New York City is what it's about half a million jobs in the state. It's the fastest growing part of the job sector. But here's why it matters to the governor. It's a jobs program. So when these people are being hired, they come off the unemployment roles. You're not paying them to do something your family would do for you normally. They're taking that money as it's you know, disposable income. They're paying taxes on that. And here's the part that a lot of folks don't realize might happen, and it's act. It's just starting now. We're trying to understand it a bit. More. Unions are getting involved and unionizing these people. We're seeing similar things happen in California, where I were just coming from. So you actually have a massive infrastructure that begins to resemble political patronage. And so when you have that kind of advantage, exactly what it is, you're now having the federal government funding a jobs program that states and unions that support one political party in general are taking their public unions not that I'm not talking about private unions are taking advantage of. So I think we have a big battle in front of us. We've already deferred about three hundred and fifty million dollars from Minnesota because their past receipts, what they pay us, what they show us they paid don't add up in our mind. We too much variance. And again, Medicaid, which is for poorer people, folks who are vulnerable, the state pays the bill and then we reimbursed them, as opposed to Medicare, which is for older folks, where we just paid the bill to get go, and we have a lot more control over Medicare. That's why things like hospice fraud are so maddening to me, because hospice fraud happens when states don't police licenses and the federal government's not paying attention and the prior administration actively ignored warning signs that there were problems. And in California, the auditor of the State of California four years ago said, we have a fraud problem. You must act. No one did anything. 01:00:06 Speaker 2: I have a question how much of this accelerated under the Biden administration. How About I'm sure it was there before, but like did post COVID during Biden? Did it just get extraordinarily worse? 01:00:16 Speaker 6: It was weaponized after COVID. Now two parts of that answer. First, of COVID itself taught a lot of people, especially foreigners who didn't understand America and foreign governments, they could steal from the federal government and probably not get caught, just the whole way we conducted our business of government during COVID. But then add to that the Biden administration's willful disregard for fraud. They knew what was happening. People in my agency, even folks who are not maybe politically aligned, who have been there for years in career employees, they'll acknowledged. Listen, they came to government to work and fixed stuff. They're not just sitting there trying to collect the paycheck. 01:00:53 Speaker 4: Gut. 01:00:53 Speaker 6: Yeah, Well, the reason I say that in my agency, Medicare, Medicaid, these are insurance people, These are actuarials. I mean, these people can get paid twice as much money outside the government. So if they're going to come in, they want to do their job, and they were told stand down, don't do that. Instead just focused on enrolling new people. And the more we realize the implications of that that you think you're doing good by bringing people onto these programs that don't have the right reasons to be on those programs, you actually hurt the people deserve to be on there. So it means finishing with the hospice real quick. In California, one third of all hospices in the entire country, in the whole country, are in Los Angeles, not California, just the city of Los Angeles. And so you begin to appreciate that half of these folks are probably fraudulent, that that's a corruption that is so deep. It's not about whittling off the edges. It's not about sending a memo out. In fact, when the memos are being sent out from California, someone in Sacramento at a senior level stumps them down. Literally. In the end of December, they were trying to do something that was going to be very helpful. They would have taken action on January first. Would the rule was simple, doctors may not participate in more than one hospice. Why would you just take care of the one hospice you're in. You get multiple hospices, you can get paid more. People bribe you to lie about people who are going to die, and so they can collect more money. So they were going to stop that down Sacramento blocked. Then why did you get in the way of fixing an integrity issue in something as precious as hospice's because you actually don't want to fix it. 01:02:21 Speaker 3: There's something so I think my favorite preposterous aspect of the California hospice fraud things, specifically, the California Ag specifically attacked you when you did your viral video in Los Angeles, who were finding all of these fraudule owns linked to gangs or Menian gangs specifically in many cases, and Bonta, I'm trying to find the quote here, and he said basically that this was a reckless and false allegation. And then literally last August he'd been bragging about how there was an epidemic fraud of hospice frauds, specifically in California, and he was fighting it, and they just they turn around and they're threatening to sue you for pointing out how bad. 01:02:56 Speaker 6: They're not threatening to sue me, they're suing me. Coming Yeah, now, I'm thinking you understand. This is how animals in the wild who are being you know, hunted, when they're cornered, they obfuscate, They release the smoke stream. That's what they're trying to do, which, of course isn't going to work for us. President is not going to be slowed down, nor me or anybody else he hires from going after the duty we swore to upheld, which is to protect the American people. Now here's the reality that kind of corruption. But it does two things. First off, if you're willing to steal someone's money, you'll steal their life. These folks have no morals at all. Many of them, by the way, they're not Americans. Or if they came here, there's one bus that I just going to tie you back because I saw your sponsor before you know what came on. You know, these guys they sold fifty eight million dollars with fake hospice like they manufactured. They didn't take care of anybody. They just send in blank bills. They got paid by the state and or by the by the federal government. They wanted to get their money out of the country to go back where they came from. They converted it to gold. They bought gold bars. Even criminals now they buy gold bars, put it in their suitcases, and they're escaping. Thankfully, the Office of Inspector General. Great people got a search and got some of the money back, but some of the money went back to where they came from. And I'm looking at these stories and thinking this is so preposterous. You would never imagine anybody would tolerate this. You come from another country, we take you in. We're giving you the blessings of being in America. You rob from our most vulnerable people. Converted the goal to egregiously so you can get out of the country because you know you'll get caught eventually. And we're in California any way. They're whittling around, spending time. I mean Wednesday, I was blessed to join the DEA with two hundred agents to go into MacArthur Park. There's one of the biggest open air drug markets in the country and shut down the cinealoa gang doing business there. Listen, the group, these investigators found nineteen kilos of fentitle that's enough to kill maybe one hundred and ninety thousand people. That's what the agents told me. That's a lot of bad stuff. And it's the gangs write their names on the buildings in LA because they own those buildings, like you can't go there. So the you know, the Eighteenth Street Gang ms F thirteen, they own parts of the city. I'm thinking, my goodness, a foreign cartel supported maybe by then foreign governments are owning parts of the city of Los Angeles. Why does the federal government have to come in and rescue them? You know what happened to the Sacramento, what happened to the governor? 01:05:13 Speaker 2: And they don't want to be rescued. That's what's worse. They fight you guys, They sue you guys. They create political ads demonizing. 01:05:21 Speaker 3: Do we have a ballpark estimate? What is the national scale? How much are we losing to fraud? Generally, these foreign gangs just basically looting to America. 01:05:31 Speaker 6: We believe Medicare and medicaid loses one hundred billion dollars a year. To put it in perspective that folks can process. If you're young, as many of your listeners are, and you think you're going to retire on Medicare, if we could take the fraud out of the system, we would double the life expectancy of the Medicare Trust Fund. In other words, your Medicare would last twice as long. So if you're worried about Medicare being strong enough to take care of you after you've worked the long life, help us with the fraud effort. If you have anyone that you know that you think is defrauding us called it this podcast. Or if you got a loved one who's sharing their beneficiary number, their Medicare number with anybody else, stop them, because that's a good credit card. Foreign countries take that card, they weaponize it, they steal from us. 01:06:10 Speaker 2: Doctor memmot Oz not a TV star, No, no, uh uh. This guy is a serious operator who is addressing one of the most critical needs in our federal government, and that's driving out, rooting out waste, fraud and abuse in our Medicare and Medicaid systems, and man it has been one of the central storylines even so much so that you have JD. Vance singing your praises, specifically naming you for the work that you're doing on this. I actually had the honor being the one interviewing him in this moment. Uh five. 01:06:41 Speaker 10: It has been amazing on this is doctor Oz mem and Oz who runs the Center for Medicare. 01:06:46 Speaker 2: And Medicaid Services. 01:06:47 Speaker 10: Because so much of the fraud in our system is people who defrauding Medicare and Medicare. Doctor Oz, working with some of the you know, the people in our Department of Justice, found is that in southern California he had all these people who are engaged in assive fraud against the Medicare system. 01:07:02 Speaker 2: You had just tons and tons of. 01:07:04 Speaker 3: People getting rich off fraud. 01:07:06 Speaker 2: And so we had our sort of our weekly fraud check. 01:07:08 Speaker 10: In call two weeks ago and doctor Oz called in. But he's like, Hey, I got to go because I'm about to hop on the bus and we're gonna go arrest a bunch of fraudsters in Los Angeles. I was like, that's exactly what I want you to do. By all means, get off the phone. 01:07:23 Speaker 2: So proof is in the pudding, right, Here's here's the proof. 01:07:26 Speaker 6: It's not one here as a big hospice center. There apparently quite a few hospices around here, forty two within a four block radius, and these guys stole sixteen million dollars. What we have learned, there's roughly three and a half billion dollars of fraud taking place here in Los Angeles in hospice and home care. 01:07:48 Speaker 3: Is forty two hospices and three blocks. Yeahourlock. This is the fact that it. 01:07:54 Speaker 2: Has gone on this long without us realized. I mean we knew, we don't see. Elon would say like if there's all this fraud, and we'd be like, okay, okay. 01:08:02 Speaker 3: And you people have talked about you go around like neighborhoods of cities and you say, you see these buildings, there's never activity around them. There's constantly there's all these signs for businesses and they're just sort of vacant empty. Saw this in Minneapolis with the Quality Learing Center that that really blew the business that's getting millions of dollars. And then they talk to locals and they say, I've never seen any person set foot here. 01:08:24 Speaker 6: By the way, I want to compliment the vice president because the president, the president obviously annointed him to lead the White House Anti for a task force. But he's been a spectacular hands on leader. We campaigned together, by the way, in twenty twenty two, and actually Charlie came and visited and turning point was very supportive of both of our efforts. We thank you for that. But the opportunity to have the Vice President lead ever effort like this ensure that all the different agencies within government work together. You make it a great point. Why wasn't this noticed before? What part was ideological? I mean, the prior administration just did not care about fraud. It wasn't what they thought was the problem. Unfortunately they were wrong. But even if you want to fix it in government, if I'm doing the accounting work and telling you, you know, hey, these guys are taking five times more money than anybody else around. Or there's forty two of these facilities, you know, working within a four block radius, which is impossible. Do you need forty two hospices in four blocks? You know they would normally naturally be dispersed. You also have to be able to get the FBI to pay attention, and you have to get the Office of Inspector General. They are guys who would like the beat cops going out there and catching a lot of these guys. In getting new clues, you need Department Justice to focus. You need to have accounting and banking support, because remember, what you really appreciate is the small level guys. Just like the drug business, they make small amounts of money a million here through million there. Then it aggregates up through money laundering and other ways of obfuscating where the cash is headed to these large criminal syndicates. And these syndicates they're dangerous. They'll scare you. I went to Flushing, New York recently. Now for folks who don't know Flushing, New York, there's a massive Chinese population there and I ran into I was looking at these things called so social adult daycare centers. They're basically unlicensed facilities where seniors can come together. They do it because they can recruit people in these facilities to give up their Medicare beneficiary numbers, which are like credit cards. They say, listen, i'll pay you a thousand bucks a month. You sign this document saying you came her every day. We're going to send you home healthcare even if you don't need it. We're gonna send you wheelchairs you don't need, expensive prescription branded drugs you don't want. I'm gonna send you for X rays you don't need, just because you can generate billing. So they do all this stuff. I go there and I run to my charge nurse. Now, she's like Nurse Ratchea. She's a tough nut. I've opened chess with her. You know, we've been through through some life and death circumstances. Nothing fazes her. She sees me, she initially hugs me. She's so happy I'm there, And then she asked me why I'm there. And I have some guys around me there. You know, they look like they're FBI and DJ because they were right they came from the southern district we went. I were there, and she says, if you're with law enforcement, you have to leave right now. And I see, what do you mean. She's very dangerous, very dangerous. You must go right now. And then she ran away and warned me to get out of town. And then I learned later on that nobody actually will testify against these guys again organized criminal elements. There may be Chinese government involvement here, So please don't think these are you know, small little scoundrels, not a few Somalians here and there. This is weaponized in South Florida because it's not just a blue state problem. There are twice as many durable medical equipment suppliers than McDonald's. That's impossible. I mean, Bobby as great as he is not shutting McDonald's down. Right. So you've got your seeing now massive growth of why we think the Cuban government might be involved. Mayor Suarez thought that we have Cuban nationals that are often put as the titular owners, but they don't. They pretend to send bills out again with stolen beneficiary numbers. They generate billions of dollars. 01:11:39 Speaker 2: Can we well, it makes it like AI involved to like a price this are we doing that? 01:11:43 Speaker 6: Yeah? Big time? Okay, we have so we have a we announced a major fraud UH center and this is it's all technology based without doing anything else but looking with AI and where the numbers don't work, what you used to build this much, you're building way up and you're much higher than anyone around you, or you're. 01:11:59 Speaker 2: Not lack of oversight. Because you're talking about the states. We had Luke Rosiac on the show. Who was the Daily Wire? Did that medicaid millionaire story that came? 01:12:08 Speaker 6: I read it. 01:12:09 Speaker 2: Yeah. But one of those issues you talk about is not just a blue state issue. This is Ohio Governor de Wine. They intentionally rolled back some of the accountability and oversight these waiver programs. What are you going to do about that to hold the states accountable? 01:12:21 Speaker 6: There's a brilliant question, because when you really get down to it, you have people who are not breaking the law, they're just breaking. 01:12:28 Speaker 2: The moral code. 01:12:29 Speaker 6: We have a deal in America. Like all great people, we will take care of our most vulnerable. Hubant Humphrey was a Democrat, but this is back in the sixties, said there was the moral test of government to take care of those at the dawn of life, our children. We cover fifty three percent of all kids born in America. I'm Medicaid or chips. Take care of those at the twilight of life, are seniors, and take care of those living in the shadows, people on drugs, people who just can't get out of their own way. So our job is take care of our fellow men when they struggle. When you allow people to build for the pill for these entities, and take advantage of our most vulnerable. We're abdicating our responsibility and that's what I'm seeing. And again it's not just Blue states. We're seeing in many places, and we're gonna hold folks accountable. It is imperative that we buckle down and send a very clear message that what started and really got wess and weaponized during COVID is done. We're not going to tolerate. This is a new sheriff in town. We're coming after you. And I'll tell you the Vice president we've you know, had significant discussions around this colin. They're the team Andrew Ferguson, all that whole team around him that he's brought in is getting everyone working together. When you bring all the fingers together, you make a fit a fist and we're gonna pound hard until we clean up. 01:13:38 Speaker 2: But could problem change regulations if you're gonna like get these grants or these reimbursements that you have to enforce certain things, or get rid of these waiver program could you do something like that. 01:13:48 Speaker 6: They're actively doing. Okay, we have rulemaking that I'm not supposed to speak about till we actually publish them, but a lot of it is the federal government doing its job too. But you know, I inherited an agency. I think it's fantastic, but we had definite shortcomings. It's this failure was across all of government. 01:14:04 Speaker 3: I just wanted to put in scope. You mentioned one hundred billion dollars a year of fraud just within your office. That's the annual cost of the war in Afghanistan. And another way of putting it, I love the scale of lifetime tax contributions of the average American is about five hundred thousand dollars. So that's two hundred thousand people's lifetimes worth of taxes in fraud. That's the population here. We're right by Tempe Arizona or Sioux Falls, the city I'm from. Like everyone there, there are lifetime of tax contributions burned up, stolen by Chinese, Russian, some Huban gangs looted. 01:14:38 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, so you talked about why this was allowed to continue. I think this is a deep ideological sickness within the left. I think that they see it as either a form of reparations or political patronage. Like you said that they're paying off their voting constituents. And these are states New York, California that are losing jobs, that are losing pre deductive class citizenry to red states. This is a way to backfill the tax base as a way to keep people, you know, happy fed. But I think it's it's a form of the They feel like the white man or the capitalists or whatever their boogeyman is have pilfered from them, so they're gonna pill for and make sure that the immigrant class, the black and brown class, is compensated fairly. I don't think they want to see this stuff, don't. I genuinely think they want to turn a blind eye to it because they know it's happening and they want it to happen. That's my opinion. You don't have to agree with it. Explain just the ideology that you think. Because you're you're coming into this agency and working with the states, you're seeing it. What's driving them? What do you think it is? 01:15:45 Speaker 6: I think after Obamacare, when the percentage of the federal government's contribution to the state government went up, people began to figure out they might be able to gain this. Now everyone sort of realized it was a risk here. But is there a war in the patriarchy. That's an obviously issue we can talk about quite a bit. But within this I don't have to assess motivation. I can just assess action. What you are doing is actively destroying our country, and you're destroying programs that I personally have worked in my whole life, and I love. Medicare is an incredibly effective crown jewel of our social safety and that every American can work their life as hard as they want. And if they can't work for every reason, it's still okay. By age sixty five, you can go on Medicare. We will take care of you. There are no hungry old people in the streets dying of treatable illnesses. Younger people who have again fallen and can't get up on Medicaid, we have a beautiful program to help them. These programs work because we have a handshake agreement that we will trust each other. And I say that because if I'm starting to pay for things that your family should do for you and then you didn't have to do that, you're cheating. If the person is supposed to come to your house and carry the grocers upstairs never shows up, you're cheating. If the person that person doesn't have any credentials or right to do it or not supposed to be able to drive you to the doctor's office, and they do that, you're cheating. All this happens in an unmonitored setting. So the entire program of these non traditional services in Medicaid are built in a handshake. And trust is a It's a flighting entity. It's like fizzy water on your tongue. If you don't take care of it and protect it, it dissiplates. And when people stop trusting Medicaid, they will stop paying into it. We will abandon Americans if that happens. So we're not going let that happen. Like anybody who loves a program, you'll do even difficult things to save it. And that's what we're up to. 01:17:29 Speaker 2: You know, Blake tells a story. I don't know where you got this, but I know I got it from you. If it was an Asian culture, I don't know if it was Japan or South Korea, but a man caught an American Japan Japan trying to jaywalk, and the man stopped the person and said, basically, if I let you jaywalk. 01:17:46 Speaker 3: Like it says, the downfall of civilization begins with the individual. 01:17:50 Speaker 6: That is that is that how you raise your kids. 01:17:53 Speaker 2: Yes, that's why all of this matters. It's like I'm telling you, it's like, you know, the old adage is like the individual, if it doesn't hurt somebody, that my individual choices, they don't hurt them, so I'm allowed to do them. The downfall of civilization begins with the individual, and then you compound it until you have one hundred billion dollars in fraud. And I just we'll wrap it here, doctor Oz. I think you are the perfect man for this job. It's like, for such a time as this, you're taking it on with such zest and zeal and you know, a grateful nation. Thanks you, genuinely, thank you for how much energy you're bringing to this and you seem to have just a joy in doing your job, and that's what we need in the federal government. So so thank you. 01:18:32 Speaker 6: You know, I love my job and I'm blessed to be able to say this to President once in a while because I love being heart surgeon. I mean I did. It was the best job in the world. You get to look people in the eyes and you're there for each other. It's rewarding every single day. I loved hosting the show like you. I get to talk to folks every single day and try to share insights that might be beneficial. But this is unique because I'm in the change business like you are, and the ability to go out there and fix problems instead of just complaining about them and exists. So let me leave you with one request. We're out there recruiting people to come join us. Not just to call in when you have problems and tips, but I actually want more people in the agency. We're going to recruit a thousand more people, folks who underually understand the passion that we all have and share it. And then if you're thinking about it, you're watching home and you're thinking, Ah, this is going a hell. We got to fix this problem. Come join us, start rolling the oars with us. Has lost to do. 01:19:19 Speaker 2: We've got a lot of Turning Point students that are graduating too, so I know. 01:19:23 Speaker 6: It's not an accident. I'm here, I'm recruiting from Turning Points. 01:19:26 Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it. I love it. Hey, final thought, Actually I lied Maha. Do you have a word for Maha. You're a health guy, such an important part of our coalition. 01:19:36 Speaker 6: You know, I love Maha every part about it. The Secretary is a fantastic boss at every level. He's passionate. He will not take no for an answer. When he locks into things, he goes after it. I think the changes to the dietary guidelines are so important because they reversed a hypocrisy that is afflicted our nation for decades. And now we're asking all the hospitals in the countries on a pledge to use those same guidelines in their food, all the schools to do the same, and we are pushing as hard as possible to get lots of other problems that I think are making it hard in America to raise healthy kids. And I say that because moms will say frequently to me, Hey, listen my mom. I know she struggled with be raising me. But it's not like I'm having a problem with my kids. They're sick. They got these issues that I just can't get ahead of. And MAHA fundamentally is about making it easy to be healthy and to answer the hard questions. You've got to be curious, and I pledge to you that's what Secretary Kennedy is more than anything else. He's curious. He's also courageous when he learns things, and we see problems, we tell you about him immediately, and we ought to be compassionate because there are a lot of folks who don't understand. They're scared by what MAHA's trying to do. But I think it is fundamentally the most important thing we can do to improve the guy who takes my job next, because we cannot afford to be twice as expensive in our healthcare system as any other country of the planet. And we're twice as expensive because we're twice as sick, and a lot of that's because we have again made it hard to be healthy you in America. Let's turn that around. 01:21:02 Speaker 2: I know you got you gotta go, doctor us. It's been a pleasure. Thank you again for your time. 01:21:06 Speaker 1: It's always it's been a great joy. 01:21:12 Speaker 9: For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to Charliekirk dot com.