El-Sayed's Mask-Off Moment

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[00:01:16] [SPEAKER_03] All right. Welcome, everybody. It's August 25th, 2026. We're here in Phoenix, Arizona at the YRefi Studios. How are we doing, Blake? Oh, we're doing splendid. It's been a really fun morning around here because every so often a really important interview comes along and it just exposes everything.

[00:01:36] [SPEAKER_10] Now, I like to expose too much.

[00:01:39] [SPEAKER_03] Well, it's exposed more than we wanted to actually than a couple of these exchanges. This is a personal question, doctor. We'll get to that in just a second. But Jesse Waters had U.S. Senate candidate Abdul El-Sayed on his show last night. And this thing is a veritable clip machine. There's so much worth getting into here because there is a undercurrent, a narrative that is percolating on social media

[00:02:06] [SPEAKER_03] that yours truly or Blake or Charlie certainly would count among those only have an issue with the rise of Islam in the West because it is some Zionist op. That is not true. That is a lie. And when you have a piece of tape like we're about to play you from this interview with El-Sayed and Jesse Waters,

[00:02:31] [SPEAKER_03] you realize how true the, I guess, concerns surrounding Islam truly are. And they have nothing to do with Israel. Okay? Yeah, there is overlap. But there are true incompatibilities that emerge when you ask pointed questions. And so to Jesse Waters' credit, I like Jesse. He's a friend. He did a great job. So we're going to start with some of the easy ones. Let's just talk about reparations. Let's start there and we'll work our way into the more Islamic-centered questions. Stop four.

[00:03:02] [SPEAKER_03] Reparations.

[00:03:03] [SPEAKER_12] Do you support that?

[00:03:06] [SPEAKER_11] I think we need to have an honest conversation about the incredible debt that was put upon black folks as a function of slavery that we have yet to pay. And I just think that's fair. Like if people are enslaved and forced into servitude and then we don't actually have a conversation about all that was owed, that our own country agreed was owed, I just think that it's past time to have that conversation. That shouldn't be a crazy thing. I think it's important for our country to have a conversation about how we make people whole.

[00:03:34] [SPEAKER_12] You want to have a conversation about it because we have you on the record as backing it, but now you just want to have a conversation. I got it.

[00:03:41] [SPEAKER_10] That lingo always irks me. We need to have a conversation. That always means I want to do X, but I'm going to frame this like a, I don't know, like a nagging housewife or something. It's a Trojan horse.

[00:03:54] [SPEAKER_03] It's a wolf in sheep's clothing. It's a poison pill. Have a conversation is expand the Overton window to the point where Normie America goes, yeah, you know what? We should all gather together and pay trillions of dollars to people that never were slaves by people who never owned them.

[00:04:08] [SPEAKER_10] I mean, that was what 2020 was. Oh, we're going to have a national conversation about race. And it turns out the conversation was rip down statues, loot stores, get rid of every standard at universities, double the murder rate.

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_03] That's exactly right. Let's have a conversation about taking the country further left. Okay. Reject that. As soon as some lefty says, let's have a conversation, just know in the back of your head, he's full of crap. Reject it. Move on. Okay. Stop five. So you think it's okay for a parent to slash his kid's thingling off?

[00:04:38] [SPEAKER_11] You think that's okay? I mean, do you, so do you really want to have this conversation? Are you circumcised? Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, that's a personal question. Okay. Doctor. So you probably should want to move on. You probably should want to move on. Is circumcision different than castration? I think it's a problem. It's a problem that you think that you get to decide what happens between a parent, a doctor, and a patient. And I'm just saying that, yes, circumcision is surgery on a kid's ding-a-ling.

[00:05:06] [SPEAKER_11] So if you really want to bring that up, you can. I just think you guys are really selective about how you want to talk about these things. Abdul, Michigan's not going for that.

[00:05:13] [SPEAKER_10] That is sick stuff. It's very wild how he framed that because Michigan, as we may know, has a serious problem with FGM. That's female circumcision. They lop off a lot there because they consider it a religious commandment.

[00:05:29] [SPEAKER_03] Yep. So just so you're aware, the false equivalency between circumcision – I believe that America still has the highest circumcision rate of any Western nation by some length. We might. I don't know. By some length.

[00:05:43] [SPEAKER_10] Islamic countries actually do it as well.

[00:05:44] [SPEAKER_03] Well, so what's interesting there is trying to – and this is why today's stream is called The Rise of the Red-Green Alliance because what he's doing here is he's espousing radically pro-left sentiment by supporting the trans movement and genital mutilation of young kids before they've reached sexual maturity with circumcision. That's not a – and Jesse was 100% right there. That's not a – and Jesse was 100% right there. Castration and circumcision are not the same thing. That's wacky, Abdul.

[00:06:12] [SPEAKER_03] Play that on repeat up until November. This is what happens when you have foreign ideologies come in with foreign ways of thinking and viewing the world.

[00:06:23] [SPEAKER_10] Well, we can't – I wish we could blame that on foreignness. That, if anything, shows he's way too assimilated, that he's come in here. He's managed to take the very American absurdity of you can change your sex with a few hormones and a surgery, and it's totally harmless to do this to kids who are 10, 8, 5 years old. Ugh. So he keeps going. Red-green alliance.

[00:06:43] [SPEAKER_03] And we haven't even got into the Islam stuff. Sat 7.

[00:06:46] [SPEAKER_12] You want to replace the right to bear arms with the right to health care. You don't want to replace the Second Amendment, do you?

[00:06:55] [SPEAKER_11] Well, look, man. I think more people are more worried about whether or not they can see a doctor than whether or not they can have a gun. I'm just going to put that out there. I mean, you're dodging the question. Go ahead and pull it. Do you want to replace the Second Amendment? I'm just saying that more people are more concerned about seeing a doctor. If we had a right to health care in this country, they probably wouldn't. And I think that would be a pretty good thing. Don't you?

[00:07:13] [SPEAKER_12] I think you dodged the question. And that's a pretty big one in Michigan.

[00:07:16] [SPEAKER_03] That's exactly right. You remember, I'm reminded of the other time we just had a conversation, Blake, during BLM. And guess what? Gun sales went through the roof. You know why? Because people were terrified that they couldn't stay safe because the police couldn't do anything. Because there was tens of thousands of crazed anarchists on the streets talking about a racial reckoning. And they were going through suburbs. They were going through, like, Santa Monica, burning buildings. Santa Monica. If you've ever been to Santa Monica, it's a upper class enclave in Los Angeles.

[00:07:46] [SPEAKER_03] And that all got looted and burned. People wanted guns. So I don't know what he's talking about here. But what you are seeing is a very smooth-talking man who thinks he's the second coming. He's like the Muslim Obama, unless you believe Obama. That's not even getting started. That's controversial. Not even getting started. I'm not saying I do. I'm just saying I could predict the audience's reaction. But he thinks he's the second coming of Obama, that he can talk his way out of any corner.

[00:08:13] [SPEAKER_03] And that is another Trojan horse poison pill moment where he's actually telling you exactly what he thinks. So you better believe him. He doesn't believe in your Second Amendment rights. He just said it right there. All right. Here we go. Abolishing ICE. Sade.

[00:08:28] [SPEAKER_12] I know I don't agree with you on this. You want to abolish ICE. Who's going to deport the criminal aliens from the country?

[00:08:34] [SPEAKER_11] Long before we ever had ICE, we had INS. We were able to enforce our immigration policies without shooting people in the face in the back of the head. And we just celebrated our 250th anniversary. That was an anniversary of throwing away tyranny. Now, to bring that tyranny back under the guise of the U.S. government itself, that seems to me to be inconsistent with the freedom you and I both love. Yeah, but I mean, that's a dodge, Abdul.

[00:08:55] [SPEAKER_12] You got a guy here from Southeast Asia molested a kid. ICE just picked him up. You want that guy to stay in Michigan?

[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_11] I'm glad that that guy got picked up. But that's a different thing than saying that INS would not have picked him up. Jesse, you're too smart for this. It's a bureaucratic game you're playing. There's one guy. You point to him. You say, ICE picked him up.

[00:09:15] [SPEAKER_12] You need guys to get these guys out of the country.

[00:09:18] [SPEAKER_03] Yep. So he wants to, what we've established, he wants genital mutilation of minors. He wants to support the abolishment of ICE. He wants to take your guns away. And this guy's smooth-talking, smiling. He's going to charm your pants off. Wolf in sheep's clothing. And a big distinction that we need to be making here, because this was such a false equivalency that El Saeed does here.

[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_03] And Jesse presses him on a 2022 clip, Blake, about where he compared the people that attack Sharia or criticize Sharia law as being rooted in white supremacy. Which is, that's not the case. It's a take. It's a choice. That's a take. Sat 6.

[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_12] You said getting rid of Sharia law was white supremacy.

[00:10:04] [SPEAKER_11] Can you explain that one? Canon law is the name for Christian law. I don't begrudge you your right to practice your faith as you choose. I don't know why the idea that I could practice my faith as I choose is a problem. Nobody is trying to push Sharia law on anyone else. Just like, I hope, nobody is trying to push canon law on anybody else. Because we live in an America where you should have the freedom of your religion.

[00:10:25] [SPEAKER_03] There's a lot there. That is so stupid and dumb that it's going to take us a little while to unpack it. Blake, I want to start with you. You know this stuff. Canon law is more Catholic. It's more associated with Catholicism.

[00:10:36] [SPEAKER_10] Well, yeah, canon law is basically law for the internal conduct of Catholicism. Like, canon law exists. And it's like, if the church is pursuing discipline against a priest or a bishop, canon law would be involved. Whether you can annul a marriage or whether a marriage is valid. That's all. Canon law. I don't know of any country on earth that has really ever in modern times been subject to canon law. I guess maybe the Vatican technically is or something.

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_10] And then even in the past, I guess a good way of illustrating this, even in Middle Ages, absolute peak of the Catholic Church's power, you actually wouldn't have canon law as your only law. You would have canon law and it would exist alongside civil law. And so sometimes you'd have, like, a priest might be subject to canon law and not normal. It was a very dramatic part. We don't need to get into all the legal history of it. But it is quite different from under Islam where Sharia, I think, might literally just mean law. I should actually look that up.

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_10] But it is much more explicitly an assertion of this is how all of society should be organized to be along Islamic principles.

[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_03] Yeah. And it's important for you guys to understand. So he's drawing a false equivalency, which is no shocker. This guy lies as he breathes. But Sharia is not a religious belief system per se. It claims authority that is more comprehensive to the civil and legal code. And it even has separate courts. So you have separate courts if you're an Islamic person, a Muslim believer. You'll have separate courts.

[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_03] So it's fundamentally incompatible with the U.S. Constitution because it cannot operate in parallel to our own rules, laws, and customs and norms. Canon law has nothing to do with that. As Blake said, it is an internal affairs kind of code, right? So you're dealing inside the church. This is dealing both inside the church, talks about what you can eat, how you get married, the time in certain celebrations, Sharia law does.

[00:12:34] [SPEAKER_03] But then it actually has courts of conduct that it sets up, okay? So America has one civil legal system governed by the Constitution. And then we have obviously laws that are specific to certain states. And those apply equally to everybody that is in those jurisdictions. So anyways, he's trying to say, hey, you're Christian. Just let us worship the way we will. Well, here's the big takeaway here. And this is why this stream is called the Rise of the Red-Green Alliance.

[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_03] It's because Muslims like El-Sayed will, when they are in the minority, they will form alliances, intersectional alliances with other minority groups in order to gain more and more political power. They will attach themselves to pet causes like the trans issue or abolishing ICE or open borders. They will attach themselves to every far-left minority intersectional grievance group that they can.

[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_03] But once they hit a certain tipping point, you better be darn sure that they will start instituting things like Sharia courts in a community near you. That is the whole plan. That is the whole game. That's where this is going. So this is not some Jewish op that makes me, Andrew Colvett, that is not Jewish, that is America first as it comes, support efforts to raise awareness about the Islamification of the West. It is not that.

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_03] It is a fundamental understanding of facts, logic, and reason that says this is where this train is headed, and we better get off it real soon. Blake, am I missing something? Am I being unfair?

[00:14:07] [SPEAKER_10] I think that's the most important thing is the degree to which if you look at European countries, if you look at the UK, if you look at – I think it's been a big problem in the Netherlands. It's definitely been a concern in Denmark. It is the capacity for when you have a very large Islamic population, which we've never quite had in the U.S. Like we've got little kernels of it in Michigan. You know, they're concerned about it in Texas.

[00:14:34] [SPEAKER_10] But nothing remotely like they have – nothing remotely like what they have in Europe, in major cities, is you start getting an entire parallel society into formation where in Britain it's going viral. They're publishing these manuals pointing out that, like, in Britain you can't have sex with someone, even your wife, if it's, you know, without consent. And that actually is rape, and it's a serious crime.

[00:14:58] [SPEAKER_10] And basically one of the things is they have people who live, like, full time in the United Kingdom. But if they live in Birmingham, they can be deep in these parallel societies where the assumption is you live under Sharia. It's difficult to escape these things. There's legal disputes where people are saying, like, oh, well, actually my husband has forbidden me from taking a job. What am I allowed to do? And people are saying, actually, in this country you are allowed to get a job. Your husband can't ban you from doing that.

[00:15:27] [SPEAKER_03] Well, and that's a big story that the UK and America, by the way, we're doing the same thing. We're importing people that you have to tell them that rape is bad, that you can't rape here. We have laws against that. Not allowed. Not allowed. Just in case. And by the way, it might affect your asylum claim if you rape somebody. Just letting you know. That's an obscene thing to do.

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[00:18:11] [SPEAKER_03] Without further ado, we have John Doyle from The Blaze. Great show. And by the way, his follow-on X is great. You do a great job there, John. Good to see you again, my friend. So we've been talking about—

[00:18:23] [SPEAKER_09] Yeah, excited to be back.

[00:18:23] [SPEAKER_03] Yeah, excellent. And genuinely, you're one of the good guys. You're fighting for all the right things. So we have your back 100%. John, so we've been talking about in the first couple segments here about this interview between Abdul El-Sayed and Jesse Waters. And pointing out some very fundamental differences that we are going to have when it comes to Christians and Muslims. And being legitimately concerned about the rise of Islam in the West.

[00:18:51] [SPEAKER_03] And now, Abdul El-Sayed has gotten himself into more trouble because he's linked up with Hassan Piker. We're going to get to that. You've been commenting on that. But there is this undercurrent that has emerged as our voices have gotten louder, raising the alarms about Islam, that it's actually just a Jewish hop. That you are critical of the Islamification of the West because of the Jews. It's actually all propaganda. Here you go. Sat 19.

[00:19:15] [SPEAKER_05] Jesus is a very sacred prophet in Islam. So much so that when God sends his messenger back down when everyone is saved in the Quran, he does not send Muhammad. He sends Jesus back. Okay? So that's how holy and important Jesus is in Islam. How often have you heard that? Never. Literally never. And I didn't know why until recently, to be honest with you.

[00:19:41] [SPEAKER_05] And now I know it was propaganda from Israel to get you, get Americans to hate all Muslims so that when Israel kills them and takes their land, you're going to say, well, I mean, what are you going to do? The Muslims are the terrorists. Not the Israelis, but the victims are the terrorists. It has been an overwhelming propaganda campaign to smear Muslims in this country.

[00:20:01] [SPEAKER_03] John, have you seen this narrative rising up on social media, especially with the kids, Gen Zers, millennials? And what's your reaction to it?

[00:20:10] [SPEAKER_09] Yeah, of course. I mean, it's the most popular idea in the world. I see it all over Instagram, all over Twitter. And it's extremely deceptive. I mean, obviously, these people are subversives. But we know as Christians, the one sin that can't be forgiven is the sin of blasphemy, which is to say, to deny the divinity of Jesus Christ. And so, frankly, I don't really care how respectful your religion is toward God if it's not actually acknowledging him to be God in the first place. You know, you're going to award him the status of prophet or something and say that we at least have some kind of reverence for him.

[00:20:38] [SPEAKER_09] Ultimately, not only do you not acknowledge his divinity, you also have like a, what, 1,500-year history of killing those who do? So I guess thank you for the, you know, consolation prize, but that's not going to be sufficient to win the hearts of American Christians. So it's totally deceptive, totally subversive. And, yeah, it's not actually a Jewish op to call out people who have defined themselves by their opposition to Western civilization for over 1,000 years. A militant opposition, actually, to Western civilization.

[00:21:04] [SPEAKER_10] I mean, if you want to get into how funny it is, you can go read the first section of the Koran. The first long section, I should say. It's called Vakau. And it talks about Moses. It talks about a lot of other prophets. Like, they could just as honestly come out and say, Moses is an extremely important figure in Islam. King Solomon and King David, they are all extremely important figures in Islam. So really, we love those guys just as much as the Jewish people do. So we don't have a problem with the Jews.

[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_10] And I think we would all greatly roll our eyes at that assertion. And I think that's the best way of illustrating just how absurd this claim is.

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_03] So I want to pull up a quote from C.S. Lewis. And, of course, I just lost it. But it's an important quote. Here, I got it now. This is from Mere Christianity. And it's talking about more of a Western tendency to say, oh, I ascribe to the teachings of Jesus. He's a great moral teacher. But if you are going to call Jesus anything other than the Son of God, then you are ascribing to him something he did not ascribe to himself. And this is the point C.S. Lewis makes.

[00:22:10] [SPEAKER_03] He said, I'm trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about him. I'm ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don't accept his claim to be God. That is the one thing we must not say, says C.S. Lewis. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would be either a lunatic on the level with a man who says he is a poached egg or else he would be the devil of hell. You must make your choice.

[00:22:37] [SPEAKER_03] Either this man was and is the son of God or else a madman or something worse. You can shut him up for a fool. You can spit at him and kill him as a demon or you can fall at his feet and call him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about his being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to. And I would add an addendum here that he did not open up the option for us to call him just a prophet to be revered by Islam. That is not what he said he was.

[00:23:06] [SPEAKER_03] And that is not what scripture reveals him to be. So the point is, I think your point is also the right point, that they have a history now dating back over millennia of being a conquering political ideology that wants to kill infidels or at least tax them and subjugate them to some great extent.

[00:23:25] [SPEAKER_09] Yeah, that's absolutely the case. You know, we obviously are very skeptical of mass immigration from the third world. But it's one thing when you have demographics coming over and they want to come over and they want to maybe take jobs away from Americans and just more or less exist. That's one thing. But it's another thing when these are people coming over who, as you mentioned, they have a very clear historic ambition to conquer the lands in which they settle.

[00:23:46] [SPEAKER_09] These are people who come over and establish these kind of ethnic beachheads for themselves and even form these communities like we saw during the break with that clip from that show maybe a year or so ago where these people are coming over talking about how they're going to work to establish Muslim-only communities, govern themselves. I grew up in Michigan with Dearborn in my backyard. So I'm intimately familiar with how these people tend to conduct business when they're allowed to come over and establish these kinds of communities for themselves. And, of course, people in Europe, people in England are experiencing the same thing.

[00:24:13] [SPEAKER_09] So it's not the same as just any other immigrant group coming over. It's a very unique group in the sense that it does have political ambitions. And as we see with the El Saeed campaign, this is kind of the first sign of what these people are going to look like when they get into Congress. Perhaps we saw something with Ilhan Omar, of course, representing Minnesota. But this is something that we are going to have to be very concerned about as the decade progresses. We haven't really seen the first signs yet of what actual Muslim political organizing looks like at the federal level.

[00:24:42] [SPEAKER_09] And it's certainly something that we're going to have to contend with.

[00:24:45] [SPEAKER_03] Yeah. Amen. And that's the only sort of clear-eyed way of viewing this situation as it emerges and grows. So there's this other story that's now going on with Abdul El Saeed. And, again, these are microcosms of a macro issue that we need to confront. So Abdul El Saeed has come up with a statement regarding Jeremy Moss, who is a Jewish Democrat out of Michigan, again, a state you know well.

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_03] And he is responding to comments that Hassan Piker has made, basically saying that if Moss links himself too closely with Israel, eventually somebody is going to take action. Now, this is coming from Hassan Piker, who has said capitalist blood needs to flow in the streets. He said people need to kill Rick Scott. He's gloated and mocked the death of Charlie Kirk. How many other things has he done? He said somebody's got to do it when it comes to President Trump. I mean, this guy openly salivates when it comes to political violence.

[00:25:40] [SPEAKER_03] And here he is attacking another Jewish Democrat. And Abdul El Saeed comes out and says, while politicians and pundits try to make this race about a Twitch streamer, you know his name. You know his name, Abdul. We're going to be talking about gas, groceries, good schools, and health care, because that's what Michiganders keep asking about. Your reaction?

[00:26:01] [SPEAKER_09] Again, they are insulting the intelligence of the American electorate. They are being deceptive. They are being subversive. You know, this is not actually about affordability and gas prices and all of that. You know, when you convey rhetoric like that, what you're trying to get it at is that you really care about Americans. You really care about the issues that matter. But you have a curious association with a guy who not only, like, obviously is, you know, hostile to America. He said that we deserve the 9-11. This wasn't a joke. This is something that he emphasized.

[00:26:28] [SPEAKER_09] He declared it and said, sorry, I'm going to say it the same way that we would say, sorry, going to say it. There's two genders as if it's like an obvious truth. He displays photos of the World Trade Center on fire, like in the background of his little streaming setup. So you have an association with this guy, not just like you ran into him at a cocktail party or something and were the ones being deceptive by trying to frame it as a close association. It's obviously a close association.

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_09] So you now have to explain to us why out of the hundreds of millions of people we have in this country, you're like buddy buddy with a guy who says that we deserve 9-11. That's not exactly something I would be saying if I really did care about the voters in Michigan. And Todd Beamer, you know, the American hero, arch patriot who famously led the let's roll charge against the hijackers of Flight 93, saving hundreds of lives.

[00:27:13] [SPEAKER_09] That guy was from Michigan. So as someone who will be voting in elections in Michigan, I want to know, Mr. Al-Sayed, why is it that you have this close association with this guy who says that we deserve 9-11? Did Todd Beamer, did he deserve to die that day? Hassan Piker says we do or he did deserve to die that day. Why is that? Why do you have that association?

[00:27:31] [SPEAKER_03] It's such a good point. Call him out on it. Tell the story of Beamer really quick for our audience.

[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_09] Yeah, the passengers of Flight 93 were understanding that the plane was being hijacked. They were understanding that it was going to be crashed probably into a building, killing hundreds of people. And so Todd Beamer led that charge and said, all right, let's roll. And some of the other men on the plane, they went and they got the terrorists and they ransacked them. They took control of the plane and ultimately they weren't able to land it successfully. They crashed and everybody on board was killed. But that gesture and that display of heroism saved countless lives that day, you know, which was already a tragic day, obviously, for Americans.

[00:28:06] [SPEAKER_03] And he's a Michigander.

[00:28:08] [SPEAKER_09] Yes.

[00:28:09] [SPEAKER_03] And yeah, so we're not just making it about some Twitch streamer, Abdul. This is about you. I want to play this. This was from Jesse Waters last night. Jesse confronted El-Sayed about Hassan Piker. Go ahead and play Sat 17.

[00:28:23] [SPEAKER_00] You know, you face scrutiny for campaigning with socialist streamer Hassan Piker. Do you plan to continue to campaign with Hassan Piker in the general election campaign?

[00:28:35] [SPEAKER_11] Look, I'm less concerned now with who I'm campaigning with, a lot more concerned about who I'm campaigning to. We've got a lot of work to do to continue to build the coalition that's going to be Mike Rogers.

[00:28:44] [SPEAKER_00] Would you welcome him, though? On the campaign trail with you?

[00:28:49] [SPEAKER_11] Like I said, I'm a lot more focused on who I'm campaigning to. And I will tell you that the three million people who listen to Hassan are people I want to make sure understand that there's a pathway into our politics. And so I'm going to continue to have the conversations with those folks who we desperately need to reach out to.

[00:29:05] [SPEAKER_03] All right. Sorry, that was a meet the press clip, but it still addressed the central claim here, a little labeling issue. That's all right. So the point is this. If you watch the way this guy operates, he's confronted with a tough question and he always pivots back to I'm more concerned with gas prices and health care. And I'm going to do that. But then he ends up telling you exactly the answer, which is I'm not going to distance myself, Hassan Piker. And you can pound sand up yours. I disrespect your question.

[00:29:33] [SPEAKER_03] That's essentially what he does time and time again. And we saw that with the Jesse Waters clips. This this issue, though, of refusing to distance himself from Hassan Piker should be disqualifying in a sane country, John.

[00:29:45] [SPEAKER_09] Yeah, you would think so. I mean, aside from the textbook non answer, he actually reveals something in that statement, which maybe we would kind of understand better than the average listener, which is when he's saying he wants to communicate to Hassan Piker's audience that there's a pathway to politics for them. What is that saying? What kind of audience is Hassan Piker speaking to? He's, of course, speaking to an audience of millions of people who are far left radicals who have largely given up on mainstream politics. They want capitalist blood to flow through the streets. They celebrate when conservative figures are assassinated.

[00:30:15] [SPEAKER_09] So what this guy's trying to do is show those people, hey, you don't have to give up on politics. Trust me, there's actually a way into the system and you guys are all welcome. So that's actually kind of alarming. People should be far more alarmed by that kind of rhetoric than, you know, the stuff that he's trying to say about, I guess, affordability or whatever, like managed, you know, planned economies regarding health care, gas prices, grocery. The fact that he's trying to act as a kind of like bottleneck, a kind of opening for the most radical people in the country to become more involved in mainstream politics,

[00:30:45] [SPEAKER_09] I think that should be very alarming and that he won't distance himself from somebody who's acting as the figure for that openly, you know, LARPing his Mao Zedong. I think that that's probably going to be the Achilles heel of the campaign if Republicans play it properly.

[00:31:01] [SPEAKER_10] So taking a step back, we're fixating on this race, but we're two months out. It has been a challenging midterm overall. I think, you know, we can discuss, do the polls peak for Democrats in August? It looks like it has several times around, but you're, you're a young guy. I assume you speak to young guys unless you're like me and all your friends are older than you.

[00:31:22] [SPEAKER_10] But what do you think should be a closing message for Republicans, for conservatives in this race and beyond to show people we're serious? We're solving problems. We deserve another two years at the helm in Washington to complete the work that President Trump has completed in these first two years.

[00:31:42] [SPEAKER_09] I think that we do have to focus a lot on immigration. I think we have to focus a lot on crime. I mean, we're still in this kind of like Biden era, COVID era hangover in terms of things like, you know, inflation, affordability. And so J.D. Vance has done a really good job messaging to people showing that this is being addressed. We have the cost of new home purchases decreasing. There are ways to kind of alleviate the elephant in the room being that we don't really feel like we're quite winning yet.

[00:32:06] [SPEAKER_09] But the stuff that's been done with immigration, the stuff that's been done with crime is like without exaggeration, probably going to save tens of thousands of American lives. And, you know, cities are safer. So young people, what do they want to do? They want to go out. They want to go to restaurants, go to bars. They're now more able to do that in cities where prior to the second Trump administration, that would have been unheard of. And so really kind of leaning into that, I think, is going to be effective and showing like, hey, you're able to enjoy your life again because of the work that Trump and his administration have done. So, yeah, groceries are still more expensive than they were five years ago.

[00:32:36] [SPEAKER_09] We're working on that. However, it's not as though you would have been better off under Democrat rule. That's obviously not the case. And I think it'd be good to remind them of just how bad things were politically, socially, economically under the Biden era and show that, yes, while not perfect, things have drastically improved because of Donald Trump.

[00:32:53] [SPEAKER_03] There was this tweet from Christian Haynes. Follow him on X and throw it up here. He goes, and it was I retweeted this because I just think it's counter to the prevailing narrative right now that things are terrible and nobody's no promises have been fulfilled and all this stuff. And he says it's just a series of generational wins after another. And it's like breaking Trump confirms ICE proceedings against Ilhan Omar over alleged fraud.

[00:33:20] [SPEAKER_03] Breaking the Supreme Court allows Trump's mail in ballot restrictions to take effect. Breaking the Trump admin to revoke visas of up to 200,000 asylum seekers. Breaking Ninth Circuit says district courts can't block ICE operations over past harms. Breaking ICE arrest 1,328 illegals in Virginia and Maryland in just 14 days. OK, to your point, it has not been perfect. But quietly behind the scenes, many of the campaign promises that we've been offered in 2024 are coming true.

[00:33:49] [SPEAKER_03] They're being worked on. They're being fulfilled. And to your point, imagine the alternative. How many millions of more illegals would have been streaming in the country had Kamala Harris won? I don't know, maybe 5, 10 million more at this point? What's the alternative? How many trans surgeries for for hospitals across the country?

[00:34:07] [SPEAKER_10] And that guy was on a debate last night when they know they've lost on that issue over and over with the public. And he's in an interview where he could try to just say, oh, yeah, people. Such a good point. Woke one is crazy. And instead he's he's going full. Oh, you want to intrude on families medical decision making for mutilating six year olds? They want to bring it back. They will bring it back. Woke is not defeated. It's not abandoned. Democrats have not decided to only focus on affordability.

[00:34:38] [SPEAKER_10] All of the ideological commitments are still there and will come back.

[00:34:43] [SPEAKER_03] Yeah, they haven't moderated at all, John.

[00:34:45] [SPEAKER_09] No, not at all. And yeah, by the way, when they say affordability, they don't mean better managing the economy. They mean making things more affordable by basically giving them out for free, which, of course, we know doesn't actually work. And so everything they're doing is just lying. I guess it's just, you know, another day ending and why for the Democrats. But yeah, you know, everything that's been done with the Trump administration, like people who are complaining and saying that Donald Trump has betrayed us, nothing is being done. I haven't I've heard crickets. They haven't come out to say, wow, this is really good. I guess I was wrong.

[00:35:13] [SPEAKER_09] And perhaps I'll exercise better judgment in my reactions and declarations of it being completely over. No, they're going to just be quiet because they don't want the embarrassment. And then the next time things don't appear to be going perfectly for us, they're going to just do the same thing, the same song and dance saying it's over. Trump betrayed us. We have to vote for Gavin Newsom to save America and teach the GOP a lesson. It's just completely non-serious. Now, I could understand seeing the imminent leftist counterattack and seeing that things aren't going perfectly.

[00:35:40] [SPEAKER_09] I can understand, you know, expressing that and saying, hey, maybe we got to really play a perfect game here. But just declaring that things are over the second anything doesn't go our way, which, by the way, it seems to be going our way. Like Trump is doing something. The courts come in and try to stop it. His hands are tied. I mean, what's he going to do? And then maybe in this case, the court ends up siding with Trump saying you can't actually do that. Now it's a win. It's not as though he wasn't doing anything. He's either doing something and it works or doing something and it's impeded. But he's working.

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[00:37:49] [SPEAKER_03] That's Charlie for Hillsdale dot com. Learn deeply, think clearly, lead boldly and carry it forward just like Charlie. Blake has made fun of me so much for our weekly K-Fabe WNBA segment. It's true. I have. But I do genuinely believe that it's more important than that. And I'll explain why. Because you made this point and I think it was a really apt point in hour one when we had John Doyle on. That they are not moderating.

[00:38:19] [SPEAKER_03] Abdul El-Sayed was on Fox News last night. Confronted about genital mutilation of minors, the trans issue. He had the opportunity to distance himself from it. But refused to.

[00:38:32] [SPEAKER_10] No, I'm just going to stick it out.

[00:38:33] [SPEAKER_03] No, it's all about what the doctors want. It's all about what the patient wants. It's all about what the parents want. If they say that a young boy's penis should be lopped off, a ding-a-ling. Then that's like circumcision, Jesse. So they aren't moderating. And these little enclaves of cultural, I guess, woke hegemony are still operating in the open. And one of them is the WNBA. And so it becomes this whole bigger story.

[00:39:03] [SPEAKER_03] Now, the WNBA has said that Roysha White, who we had on this show, and Ennis Cantor Freedom, are not going to be eligible to enter the WNBA. Now, they call it a publicity stunt. That's what they told ESPN. That's what they would say. That is exactly what it is. They probably called a lot of great civil rights pioneers publicity stunts. Well, they actually were publicity stunts in some way. They actually were. They were in a lot of cases. Yeah, they were actually trying to get headlines, trying to make news stories happen.

[00:39:31] [SPEAKER_03] And sometimes that's the way you make change and you accomplish your goals. So now they're saying that they're not going to be allowed in the WNBA. But they can't really give you a rationale. So this is why you know. I made the joke yesterday. I was like, you know how the WNBA is run by women? Not because it's the Women's National Basketball Association. It's because it's like they want you to read their minds. So they go and they do this HR meeting.

[00:39:59] [SPEAKER_03] They do a big consensus builder, have everybody come together to come up with a strategy on what to do with who's eligible for the WNBA. Are we going to let biological men play in the league or not? Well, they get done with that meeting. And then they say, well, we haven't reached a consensus yet. We needed to get together.

[00:40:17] [SPEAKER_10] We needed to feel out our feelings, basically. Yeah.

[00:40:20] [SPEAKER_03] That's what they needed to do. It's literally the most predictable outcome you can imagine. So they're consensus building. They don't reach a consensus. And multiple women in the WNBA have now said, we would welcome a biological man onto the court. Well, the league says they're not going to welcome the two men that have declared eligible for the draft. And they won't give a rationale why. Now, here's the actual explanation. Wait, wait. Hold on.

[00:40:49] [SPEAKER_03] Women are mad, but they won't say why. Yes. Sorry. I couldn't resist. Couldn't resist. So they say here, the WNBA has not announced any plans. Let me put that in there so you guys can follow along. The WNBA has not announced any plans to prevent Ennis Cantor Freedom from attending future games after he was ejected from Wintrust Arena in Chicago on Sunday. But multiple sources told ESPN that the former NBA player will not be eligible to play in the Women's League.

[00:41:14] [SPEAKER_03] Sources around the league confirm that Cantor Freedom and fellow former NBA player Royce White, Royce White as she's lovably referred to on this show, are not eligible to play in the WNBA. And after the pair declared themselves women ineligible for the draft. Cantor Freedom was removed from the building Sunday after a verbal altercation with Chicago Sky Point guard Natasha Cloud. Okay. So they don't tell you why. They don't tell you how.

[00:41:39] [SPEAKER_03] Well, but they are sources are now confirming to ESPN that they will not be allowed. So here's what the translation is. They know they're not going to let them in. They just haven't figured out what woke logic to apply to them just yet because they know that if they use any logic, it will be instantly.

[00:41:58] [SPEAKER_10] Any explanation will be an instant landmine detonating for them. Like they can't say, oh, we just know you're faking it because then you could apply that to so many potential sex predators who've tried to get into girls' bathrooms and the left has stood up for them. They can't say, actually, we're only for real biological women. That would definitely set off a landmine.

[00:42:21] [SPEAKER_10] One idea might basically be we're defining women as people who just aren't – who say they're women and also just aren't too athletic such that they would beat up on all the other women in our league. That might be the completely ridiculous strategy that they take, but it might be the most viable.

[00:42:37] [SPEAKER_03] But then they're giving up the game.

[00:42:38] [SPEAKER_10] But then they're giving up the game. That is – again, we've gotten a lot of emails from people who are very confused about us with Roysha White and all of that. Yeah. That is ultimately what is going on here. We need to be clear for a second. I don't know if we need to. Oh, do we? Okay. Maybe we shouldn't. Whatever.

[00:42:52] [SPEAKER_03] No, we had Roysha White on, and she taught us a lot. She taught us a lot. Okay? That's all I'm going to say. But here's what's so funny about it is they've gotten themselves into an ideological cul-de-sac, and there's no real way out because if they admit that these are men, not women, then they're giving up on their whole trans rights or human rights, trans women or real women thing that they've got going.

[00:43:15] [SPEAKER_03] If they admit that they have physical abilities that surpass the WNBA female players, they're giving up the game there because that proves our point that they shouldn't be allowed on the court or the volleyball court or whatever insert sport here, weightlifting. They are actually cornered, so they don't really have a good way out. Meanwhile, they're doubling, tripling down on insanity.

[00:43:40] [SPEAKER_10] Which I 100% support overall because, as I said, the WNBA is not about whatever basketball they're playing on the court. I don't care about that. All right. What it is is it's amazing drama. And, in fact, this isn't even our only great drama story with the WNBA this week. Did you know that, Andrew? No, I know.

[00:43:56] [SPEAKER_03] This is where we're going.

[00:43:57] [SPEAKER_10] Yes, yes. So, this – I was excited to talk about this even before the drama over the weekend. So, they have a team in Toronto, of course. I mean, imagine denying Canada a WNBA team. They would have a meltdown. They're called the Toronto Tempo. And the New York Post is reporting they have unveiled a non-binary turtle mascot for the Toronto Tempo. They have two mascots, actually. They have a tortoise and a hare because they're called the Tempo. You can go fast or you can go slow.

[00:44:23] [SPEAKER_10] And so, they have Dez, the non-binary tortoise mascot of their Toronto Tempo, which pretty humorously – I was looking it up. Apparently, that's actually the second non-binary mascot they have in the WNBA. Doppler, the Seattle Storm mascot, according to the rapidly generated AI information that Google gives you now, is also a non-binary mascot.

[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_03] So, this is something – if you guys have kids out there and you let them watch certain shows or whatever, this is the new angle that they play. They use sort of cartoonish characters like this to launder in non-binary ideas, ideologies. And they do it because, you know, they're not human per se. They're human-esque, but they're not human. Maybe they're just –

[00:45:10] [SPEAKER_10] I don't think turtles are non-binary, right? They're not one of those – Like, amphibians can, like, change their sex, I think. But I don't think turtles can.

[00:45:16] [SPEAKER_03] Ninja turtles are definitely binary. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[00:45:20] [SPEAKER_10] They like pizza.

[00:45:21] [SPEAKER_03] No, but this is what they do. So, this is what you really need to be careful with if you are a parent out there, is you need to understand that they are laundering this stuff in now through cartoon characters that don't seem – they're non-binary. They don't really look male or female. They're just a cartoon. But then they'll work in certain themes. So, this is the whole point. We often say woke is not dead. It's just on pause right now.

[00:45:46] [SPEAKER_03] And these enclaves of institutionalized woke power, like the WNBA, like the DSA, like El-Sayed, they're not backing down because they think that come November, they're going to have a big blue tsunami. It's going to take over everything, and they're going to remount their forces. They're going to double down, and they're going to come back with a vengeance. This is not a moderating movement. This is a radicalizing movement, and we all need to be very, very honest about that.

[00:46:14] [SPEAKER_03] We do have the great Riley Gaines now. Riley, welcome back to the show. It's good to see you. You left us hanging there for a segment, so we were just pontificating about the non-binary mascots in the WNBA, which is just another weird little wrinkle to throw in there. I want to get your whole take on all – they're saying that Ennis Cantor Freedom and Royce White are not going to be eligible.

[00:46:40] [SPEAKER_03] They can't really explain a good rationale for why yet, but there's some publicity stunt. Give us everything you're thinking, Riley Gaines.

[00:46:48] [SPEAKER_01] I mean, isn't it just crazy that we are still having this conversation? And I have to think of new ways to explain my take. I mean, my take is the same now as it has been for the past, I mean, what, five or so years since I was personally indirectly impacted by this issue. I mean, for my whole life, I've possessed this take that men aren't women.

[00:47:12] [SPEAKER_01] It's insane that the WNBA, a professional women's sports league, is having these, like, conference-style performative meetings with C-suite-level executives and board members all gathered around a table to discuss what a woman is. And they don't know. Well, you have to assume, actually, that they do know, hence why now they're coming out and saying, you know, sources close to the WNBA.

[00:47:38] [SPEAKER_01] I don't think it's actually been traced back directly to the WNBA. I don't think that's been fact-checked yet, but sources are saying that are close to the WNBA that now they're saying that Ennis Cantor Freedom and Royce White, or whatever name they want to identify. Royce. Royce, the beautiful, brave woman.

[00:47:56] [SPEAKER_03] Yeah, she's a trans, black, lesbian.

[00:47:59] [SPEAKER_01] Both of these lovely gals can't play in the WNBA, and they can't fulfill their dreams of being the number one WNBA prospect at the 2027 draft. Of course, they know that men aren't women, that boys aren't girls, that males aren't females, that fathers can't be mothers. The WNBA knows this, just like the Democratic Party does. But for some reason, this is the hill that they're willing to die on.

[00:48:25] [SPEAKER_01] So I want you to picture, again, this conference-style boardroom. They're sitting around this table, and they're really trying to conjure up a way to say that these men, fully intact with their male genitalia and their beards and the fact that they can dunk on these 10-foot goals, they're trying to think of a way to prevent them from playing but continue to be the most inclusive and diverse.

[00:48:51] [SPEAKER_01] You insert the buzzword, inclusive league in the history of all the leagues, but in the process, they've just become a laughingstock, which is really tragic. It's really unfortunate to the women, to every woman in the league, even the ones who I don't agree with, even the ones who I don't necessarily like, like Dijon A. Carrington, like Natasha Cloud. It's unfortunate for them that the league has taken this approach because it's taking the focus off of their incredible ability to play basketball at a high level and to do it well. That's not what we're talking about.

[00:49:21] [SPEAKER_01] We're talking about the trans, non-binary they-them turtle that likes soft tacos and green sex toys that are being thrown on the court and how the refs have this profound inability to protect Caitlin Clark and other athletes like her. Is it because she's white? Is it because she's straight? Who knows? But that's what we're talking about with this league. It's absurd and unfair to the athletes who have worked really hard.

[00:49:42] [SPEAKER_03] Blake loves that about it, by the way. He loves the kayfabe, the WWE of it all. It thinks it's the best thing that happened to the WNBA since they found it. That being said, what's your take on Caitlin Clark? You know, she's now, she was sort of like a cause celeb for a lot of right-wingers on the internet because she was obviously put upon, she's incredibly talented. She's been very quiet and she's, you know, kind of comes off a little cowardly.

[00:50:08] [SPEAKER_10] I think people, it feels weird to say this, like they're sort of annoyed that she has focused on basketball. That they kind of want her. They basically, she got very obviously targeted. A lot of players in the league didn't like that she got a lot of attention, that she got paid more. There was definitely a racial dimension to it. And I think they wanted her to basically call out what was happening. And instead, she's sort of meekly submitted to it. She's still good, but I think they wanted to see her fight back and they feel let down by her. Yeah. What's your take, Riley?

[00:50:38] [SPEAKER_01] You know, I think a lot of at least conversations that we see online from conservative profiles, conservative commentators, conservative influencers, they take the approach that Caitlin Clark should have this like moral obligation to speak up. And I actually don't really agree. I really don't. I don't think you can volunteer someone for the position that I have found myself in,

[00:51:02] [SPEAKER_01] that Sophie Cunningham has now willingly accepted and has done so with such confidence and with such courage. I don't think you can volunteer someone for that position. I mean, you guys know the effects of what happens when you do, whether it's the negative comments, the false headlines, the pressure, the smear campaigns, death threats that, again, you guys can attest to that, that have the ability to transpire to, to reality for you.

[00:51:30] [SPEAKER_01] I just don't think that's something that you can volunteer someone for. I think my, my main problem with Caitlin Clark and all of this isn't that she isn't necessarily taking a hard line stance because we can tell. I think it's safe to assume what Caitlin Clark thinks about this issue. I'm not going to say what I know personally and how she thinks on this issue, but it's safe to assume how she feels about this issue when asked about it. And she doesn't again, repeat off the talking points that, that they're told, I think,

[00:51:58] [SPEAKER_01] to say or what we're supposed to believe that the league purports and what is then representative of, of the general public because she's not doing that. It's safe to say how she feels, but I more so take an issue with how loyal Sophie Cunningham has been to Caitlin and her defense over the past few years, not just not on this topic, of course, but in her defense of, of totally biased refs and unfair treatment, even when it comes to, you know, not being on the cover of 2K Caitlin Clark is there. Sophie Cunningham is there to defend Caitlin Clark.

[00:52:28] [SPEAKER_01] Well here, Sophie Cunningham has found herself in the midst of this cultural storm and Caitlin Clark isn't there defending her friend take outside the team component of it. That's what I more so find to be a telling factor of someone's character, but I don't falter for not wanting to speak about this issue. I think it would just give the other side more ammo to hate her, quite frankly.

[00:52:49] [SPEAKER_03] So I think that's really insightful. So you're, you're saying about Caitlin Clark, it's, it's the silence is almost deafening, right? It's what she's not saying. That is the tell about how she feels about this larger issue. But you do take issue with the fact that she hasn't been more vocal, more supportive of Sophie Cunningham because Sophie Cunningham has had her back a hundred percent. I mean, she takes hard fouls. She's in there. She's like her defender. She's getting into pointing stare-offs with people that are attacking them, which is just brilliant.

[00:53:19] [SPEAKER_03] So Sophie Cunningham's stock has just been soaring. Meanwhile, Caitlin Clark's has been falling. If I'm just calling balls and strikes you.

[00:53:27] [SPEAKER_10] Is Sophie Cunningham going to take the WWE belt away from Caitlin? I know, right?

[00:53:31] [SPEAKER_03] That's your take though.

[00:53:32] [SPEAKER_01] I think she has. Yeah. I think she has. I think Sophie Cunningham, like if there was like a favorability rating amongst players, I would say Sophie Cunningham has a higher favorability rating amongst sports fans, right? You, the left doesn't like her, right? The people who don't watch sports who have probably never played a sport. Also, I think that's important to mention. Of course, they're not going to like her, but among sports fans, I can say as an SEC fan,

[00:53:58] [SPEAKER_01] as an SEC athlete myself, certainly among SEC fans, like her favorability rating is, is through the roof. And you don't see that. I'm not kidding. Just like politicians. Like generally, it's like a 50-50. Yeah. Majority of sports fans love Sophie Cunningham.

[00:54:13] [SPEAKER_03] Yep. I count myself among them. And I told her, I want to get the jerseys. We want the jerseys.

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[00:55:48] [SPEAKER_03] We have a very special treat in store for you. We have two guests in studio. James DeMello, founder of Andriso Man, and Jason Wynn, CEO of Strong Cell. And yep, there you can see them. We have them all gathered around the table in studio. Really, really important segment. And we're going to talk about marriage. We're going to talk about men and the importance of all that. James, you founded Andriso Man to strengthen men. And you have a really powerful testimony about what this has done for your own marriage. And we're going to get into all of that.

[00:56:18] [SPEAKER_03] But as I was prepping for this and looking at your biography, James, I was taken aback by a piece of it. I think kind of the origin story of how you started this. You were a professional bodybuilder. Yeah. Which is cool unto itself. And then you had a near-death experience. And then you were like, no, I actually died. Yeah. Let's just start there.

[00:56:41] Okay.

[00:56:43] [SPEAKER_07] Yeah. In 98, I was actually in northern part of Michigan. And I was T-bone hit by a semi. And it broke my neck, broke my back. And I was dead at the scene when the paramedic got there. The off-duty paramedic who saved my life. And he started pulling me out and started to, as a lot of paramedics told me, it sounds like he broke a lot of rules.

[00:57:08] [SPEAKER_07] Because what he did to resuscitate me was off the normal way they did things. But he resuscitated me. And I spent three months learning how to walk again, learning how to, yeah.

[00:57:20] [SPEAKER_03] Are you still able to lift?

[00:57:21] [SPEAKER_07] Yeah. Yeah. I never stopped lifting. I rehabbed myself after a month. And I was out of the hospital. They said I would never walk again. Because I broke the same part of my neck that Christopher Reeves broke, remember? Oh, yeah, yeah. The actor. When he fell off the horse. He fell off the horse. And they said that I would never walk again because I couldn't feel my legs at the time. Jeez. But the paralysis was due to the bruising of my spinal cord. Sure. Not the cutting of it. Man. Okay.

[00:57:49] [SPEAKER_03] So this is all. So how? Okay. Andrizo, man. And, you know, so there's like multiple parts here. Why did you found it? And what were you seeing in men that kind of inspired you to found it? And how does your own personal biography play into that?

[00:58:03] [SPEAKER_07] Yeah. So Andrizo, first of all, means it's a Greek word for man up, basically. Man up. And man up. To man up. To act like a man. Yeah. Matter of fact, your name, Andrew, is a derivative of Andrizo. Well, that's why I'm extraordinarily masculine. Yeah. That's why I'm 10 out of 10. You probably know your name has an origin of courage. Yes. He's courageous. That's what I've been told. So Andrizo means courage. It means, you know, bravery. It means to man up, to take responsibility. So that's why I named it Andrizo Man. And it's out of Scripture.

[00:58:33] [SPEAKER_07] In 1 Corinthians 16 and 13, you know, Paul said it. To men that were acting immature, he said Andrizo up. And they translated it into Greek then. And so that's kind of the origin of the name. And I started it because, you know, like you said, my background was bodybuilding. I was turning pro, never got to professional level, but I was at a pro level when God started to call me out of it. And the reason why is that I had built all this identity, all this physical body.

[00:59:02] [SPEAKER_07] But I knew inside I wasn't the man that I needed to be. I knew that my soul was not at the level of my body.

[00:59:11] [SPEAKER_03] Yeah.

[00:59:11] [SPEAKER_07] And we're spirits, soul and body. And so I started realizing that I was very mature, very insecure. There's a lot of things about me. My marriage was in trouble. And I was like, I have to change things. I have to find out how to develop the man from the inside out. And so that kind of started my journey into what developed into the Andrizo Man Ministries.

[00:59:31] [SPEAKER_03] Yeah. It's interesting because Paul talks about, he says, you know, physical exercises of some worth. Yeah. But it's not eternal. It's not of eternal worth. Exactly. And you were sort of the living embodiment of that admonition.

[00:59:44] [SPEAKER_07] Great connection there.

[00:59:46] [SPEAKER_03] Yeah. Okay. So you have this thing called the return.

[00:59:51] [SPEAKER_07] Yeah.

[00:59:51] [SPEAKER_03] And this is really near and dear to my heart. And I will tell you, everything we've gone through losing Charlie, people often ask Blake and I, like, how did you get through it? How are you dealing with it? And I always tell everybody, first and foremost, it's my faith. Yeah. I feel God. I feel the prayers of strangers. But secondly, it is my wife and my marriage. Yeah. We have, our marriage has been the bedrock of everything that we've been able to get through in the hard times. Yeah.

[01:00:20] [SPEAKER_03] So the return is specifically helping men with their marriages. Yeah.

[01:00:26] [SPEAKER_07] With their faith, with their marriage, with their... Talk about it. Everything. Their fitness, all of that. Their finances. We, you know, what I've learned is, man, you can have all the other things right. You can have your finances right. You can have your fitness right, like I had. But if you're faithing right and your familying right, all the other stuff is suffering eventually. And so it's prioritizing again, getting your... My faith, I grew up in church, but I never grew up in Christ. I say that often.

[01:00:53] [SPEAKER_07] I never knew Christ as the example of the ultimate man. And that's when that happened, when he became... I often say Christ-likeness and manhood are synonymous. You can't separate them. Amen. And so I realized that I needed to follow this man. I needed to know how he talked, how he walked, how he prayed. And that just changed me completely. And it transformed my marriage.

[01:01:19] [SPEAKER_03] So you have been through the return. I have, yeah.

[01:01:24] [SPEAKER_07] Yeah.

[01:01:24] [SPEAKER_03] So maybe the best way to explain what it is is, what is it? Like, what is the return and what did it do for your marriage?

[01:01:31] [SPEAKER_06] Yeah, I would say, in a nutshell, it's a four-day... Yeah, it's a four-day men's intensive, right? Where you go out into a beautiful part of East Texas in Piney Woods. And it's a very serene, just very peaceful place to go to, first of all. Which so much of us don't get that type of space and that time to really unplug and really be with ourselves outside of the city and all the things that we do. So you go there, it's surrounded by a group of 14 to 16 brothers

[01:02:01] [SPEAKER_06] that are just like you and some that are very different. They're all walks of life. And you really just dive in and peel back the layers of who you are as a man. You know, I didn't think that I had some big problem when I went there. And I didn't think that my marriage was on the rocks. What I tell people is that it just gave me the tools that I didn't know that I needed, actually for things that were coming around the corner, for me to be able to navigate those things in marriage. How to be a better father. How to be a better just support system for my wife and for our marriage.

[01:02:30] [SPEAKER_06] How to pray with our kids. How to lead my family. You know, so it's amazing in that way.

[01:02:35] [SPEAKER_03] But you say, you credit it. So that's interesting. So you went to it and you weren't at a point in your life where you're like, hey, my marriage is on the rocks. But at least you didn't realize if it was or not. But you said things came around the corner. It was almost like God prepared you for what was coming next. Just talk to me a little bit about it.

[01:02:52] [SPEAKER_06] Yeah, you know what's funny is I didn't, there weren't things that I could put out and say my marriage was on the rocks. But what I, some of the tools that I learned on how to support my wife, how to pray with her and how to be with her, I didn't know that my wife was always wanting those things and waiting on, you know, the better man in me to come out, if you will. And it took God really just putting those things into my heart and showing me, you know, through the return, that allowed me to become the man. She says that I was, it was always in there and she knew it was in me. But the return helped bring it out.

[01:03:22] [SPEAKER_03] So you arrive on, it's beautiful by the way, you arrive on a Wednesday. Yeah, it's a Thursday now. Oh, is it Thursday? Thursday through Sunday. Thursday through Sunday. Okay, so why do you need so much time? Well, or maybe it's not that much time. What is filling the time?

[01:03:35] [SPEAKER_07] Yeah, because you heard the statement, men have a lot of, they're like onions, you've got to peel a lot of layers. Yeah, fair enough. So it takes time to, we don't just go for it right from the beginning. We peel the layers back. And so it takes time to do that. And we create a lot of space for men to spend time alone and contemplating and thinking. And so there's a lot of woods time. We go out in the woods and we spend time. We let them go and spend, there's a whole day where they do that. And so that's probably their favorite day

[01:04:05] [SPEAKER_07] because they get to spend some time alone and they get to think through things. That's very dude.

[01:04:10] [SPEAKER_03] Dude, yeah, exactly. Because if I'm just hearing this, I'm like, I don't know if I want to go get touchy-feely with a bunch of dudes. But now you're telling me I get to spend time alone without kids, answering emails, things like that. Now you've piqued my attention. Oh, yeah.

[01:04:26] [SPEAKER_07] We do a lot of guy stuff. We throw hatchets. We throw spears. We shoot. I mean, it's not all sitting around talking. It's a lot of due time. It's a lot of brotherhood building. Which is so important. Which is really important. So important.

[01:04:42] [SPEAKER_03] Most men don't realize how little of that they have in their life and how healing and good and enriching it can be for them.

[01:04:49] [SPEAKER_06] The hardest thing for me was to turn back on my phone. To reconnect to the world was very difficult because I felt such peace out there. I wish I had a few more days to stay.

[01:04:58] [SPEAKER_03] And you're getting a phone call from me being like, hey, I'm running out of strong. That's right. So please, I'll get right on that. Yeah. So, okay. I got to believe that when these men get out there, you've probably encountered some pretty radical moments with them in the sense that maybe they start hearing from the Lord for the first time. Oh, yeah. Those are beautiful moments. You have to confront some sin. Yeah.

[01:05:22] [SPEAKER_07] You're hitting them all. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. That's a big part of it is when they encounter God, there's not a man alive that encounters God that doesn't change. Right? So we give them, we create the space for that. We create the atmosphere for that. We lay the table out for that. And it's their choice if they're going to start taking those in. And when they do, it's amazing to see men come back from what we call the wilderness day. That's what we call the day they go out.

[01:05:51] [SPEAKER_07] They come back and they're like, I feel like, I think I heard God.

[01:05:55] [SPEAKER_04] Yeah.

[01:05:56] [SPEAKER_07] And they start describing it. I go, man, that is all God. And they go, man, that was so easy. I go, yeah, you shut everything down. You took the distractions out of the way. God doesn't fight all of that. He waits for you to initiate that.

[01:06:10] [SPEAKER_03] Yeah. This is interesting because we talk a lot about on this show about what smartphones are doing to kids.

[01:06:15] [SPEAKER_07] Yeah.

[01:06:16] [SPEAKER_03] We don't talk a lot about what are they doing to grown men. Absolutely.

[01:06:19] [SPEAKER_10] Like a giant deafening noise. At all times. Yes. 100%. Distracting you from stuff that really matters.

[01:06:26] [SPEAKER_07] And it's the strategy of the enemy. He knows that. He knows that if he can distract you, he can keep you from hearing that. What we know is a still, small voice, right? Yeah. The Bible talks about that. And so...

[01:06:36] [SPEAKER_03] Kierkegaard talks about that, too. Yeah. He talks about the diversion. Diversion is a tool of the enemy.

[01:06:42] [SPEAKER_07] 100%. Yeah. It is his hammer. It's his hammer, man. It's distractions. Wow. And so we have to be intentional, and that's what we help these men learn, the tools of being intentional, that they can... The same tools we give them on the event, they can take home and apply it and spend time with God. But you've got to be... You've got to make the time for it, and you've got to see the need for it. So when we create this... One of the things we do that's very special is that men need a place where they feel safe,

[01:07:10] [SPEAKER_07] where they can talk about things and not be judged. And we do a thing, no stones here, and that we're all equal. We're all men. We all have issues. We're all dealing with stuff at different levels. So let's talk about these deep-needed conversations. I call them dangerous. Dangerous conversations that men don't really feel at ease at talking about it at work or at their business or with their wife. So we say, let's do it here because you're safe here.

[01:07:39] [SPEAKER_07] And men start to open up, and it's a beautiful thing.

[01:07:43] [SPEAKER_10] We talked a lot about these retreats, the help with marriages for married men, and that is incredibly important. Your chief goal in any marriage is to help your spouse get to heaven. I'm not married. Does Andreza man have a role for me?

[01:07:58] [SPEAKER_07] Absolutely. Yeah. We have a lot of men that are not married that go to it. And when a man understands what a real man is supposed to be like, he becomes a lot more attractive. You know what I mean? Because that's the thing I was telling Andrew, that manhood has been, you see it inside. They're trying to redefine it. So the return is returning back to the original blueprint that God created men. So we help men understand. I wrote a whole book. Andreza man is about being that man that God wants you to be.

[01:08:28] [SPEAKER_03] What are some concepts about the original blueprint?

[01:08:32] [SPEAKER_07] So one of the things that Paul, when he used the word Andreza, he gave five principles to what that looks like. A man is a man that is responsible. He's vigilant. First thing Paul deals with is vigilance. Then he deals with faith, a man of strong faith. Then he deals with a man of courage. He says you must be a man of courage. Then he deals with a man of character, a man of character, and then he deals with a man of compassion. He hits these five things about manhood

[01:09:01] [SPEAKER_07] that I believe is one of the greatest principles of a quality man, which if you carry that, that wife is around the corner. I tell men, the woman that you're waiting for, God's waiting for you to become the man that she needs. Absolutely. And so I help you become that man that she needs. So guys say, I want that Proverbs 31 woman. I go, well, wait a minute. Look at the man in that chapter. Become that man, and you'll get that woman. So you want the woman, but God ain't going to be unfair to her

[01:09:30] [SPEAKER_07] and give her the man that's not ready for her. So that's one of the ways we help them and just help guys with their struggles. All men have struggles, and we help them get solutions to those struggles and how to be able to walk this manhood journey stronger.

[01:09:48] [SPEAKER_03] It's really important because part of the debate about what masculinity even is, right? We talk about what is a woman. Well, there's an equally important question. What is a man? And part of the conversation seems to center around, you know, it's about money, dominance, power, you know, aggression, how big are your muscles? And then the other one, you know, just sort of has this image, I think, of a man as this sort of weak beta male that's just very compliant. But it's like the biblical model for masculinity is neither of those two things.

[01:10:16] [SPEAKER_07] No. And that's exactly, I mean, you nailed it. You know, I had the muscles, I had the strength, I had the power, I had the fame, the money, and all of that. And I had a young marriage. To tell you a little bit about my story, I had a young marriage and I'm living in Venice Beach, the Mecca of bodybuilding at the time. I used to live in Venice. You know, you did? Yeah. So I lived right there on Sunset Boulevard and worked at Gold's Gym, the most famous gym in the world. I've been to that Gold's Gym. Yeah. I've been to that Gold's Gym too. And so Arnold was there, Lou Ferrigno, all these guys that were my heroes. But I started looking at their lifestyle and I'm like, you know,

[01:10:46] [SPEAKER_07] I don't know if I want to live that way and have that kind of, you know, character. But the big thing that hit me was, you know, I had all this stuff in my marriage. It was struggling. I went out with a friend's one night. We started drinking. Next thing I know, a pretty girl comes in. One of the guys go, man, I bet you can't get her. And without even thinking, I'm walking up to this girl flirting with her and I leave with her. And now I'm in a situation and I go, how did I get here? What led me to this place? You know,

[01:11:15] [SPEAKER_07] and come back. I'm feeling bad about it. I tell my wife, it crushes her. She walks out. I'm 21 years old when that happens and I stopped falling apart because I realized that was the most important thing in my life and I just lost it because of the stupid decision I made. And from that point on, I said, I have to start learning what led me to that, what weakness was in me that I didn't know. And that's when, today, I'm married for 37 years.

[01:11:45] [SPEAKER_07] I have raised three wonderful girls that are doing great, that are married to great guys. And my marriage is incredible. But it took a new man to build a marriage I have now. And that was a mistake that a lot of men make and continue to keep making because they don't understand the weaknesses in them that they just kind of glaze over and press down, right? And so, I helped them recognize it. I helped them discern

[01:12:13] [SPEAKER_07] mindsets and habits that our upbringing ingrained in us, you know? There's things about my upbringing that was very dysfunctional that my father was a, you know, a terrible example to me that I look back and I go, man, that's not how a man acts. And so, I had to go search for it. And I was lucky to have mentors come in my life to help me. But I was also lucky to have, lucky to have... By the way,

[01:12:37] [SPEAKER_03] the mentor thing is so huge. And that's really what you're offering. You're offering men an opportunity to be mentored and some stuff. Mentorship is so critically important. Go ahead. Well,

[01:12:47] [SPEAKER_10] that's a great opportunity to loop in who we were all friends with, Charlie, that one of his greatest strengths that I think is underappreciated is his absolute hunger for mentorship that the sheer number of people he knew and looked up to imitated, sought lessons from, learned from. People would ask what he was doing in his private life and it was often talking to someone like Dennis Prager or this pastor or someone who... James Orr. And just learn from them all the time voraciously that he was never a person who envied

[01:13:16] [SPEAKER_10] someone who had something he didn't have. He would always think, how can I get what that person has by learning from them?

[01:13:21] [SPEAKER_03] And so the key here is you've got to be intentional about it. So if you want to get better, if you're having problems with your marriage or your marriage is just flat but you're not really having outright problems or if you just feel flat, if this is like stirring your soul right now, this is really amazing. So Strong Cell, we work with you guys, we love you guys and you're coming alongside and you've lived this firsthand. This changed your life and I don't know, maybe it's what is part of the origin story of Strong Cell. I didn't ask you but you guys are partnering with Andresoman.

[01:13:51] [SPEAKER_03] Tell us what you guys are prepared to do right now.

[01:13:54] [SPEAKER_06] Yeah, so specifically for the show and our partnership with you all, we are willing for anyone who goes and signs up, use the discount code Charlie at checkout and Strong Cell will cover 50% of the entire cost for the event.

[01:14:07] [SPEAKER_03] Wow. So it's andresoman.com. I think we have the, there it is, andresoman.com code Charlie. That's the, so if you want to do this, it's a Thursday through a Sunday. You get to hang out with like-minded guys. It's an intentional time of being poured into, working on some stuff and if your heart is stirring right now, I mean that's, so final pitch to you. So andresoman.com code Charlie. Strong Cell is graciously going to contribute

[01:14:36] [SPEAKER_03] 50% if you sign up with that code right now which is an incredible, incredible gesture. Thank you for that. Final pitch to the men who are maybe listening right now.

[01:14:44] [SPEAKER_07] You know, Strong Cell will help you with your physical body, strengthen that. We will help strengthen your spiritual body. We'll help strengthen the man that's going to help you through the crisis in life. And we create this brotherhood that men need, a brotherhood that hears them, makes them feel a sense of a new cause in their life, a new purpose in their life. And if you're out there and you need that, you need to know what it means to be a man and what it means to be a good husband,

[01:15:13] [SPEAKER_07] a good businessman, a good, you know, man in general, we can help you with that. Absolutely.

[01:15:20] [SPEAKER_03] Critically important. Andresoman.com code Charlie for 50% covered. It's amazing. Thank you for doing that. Absolutely. My pleasure. God bless you guys. We'll see you tomorrow.

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