The Post-Truth Internet + Assessing the Owens/Wilson Debate

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It's still in America. 00:01:53 Speaker 3: It's true. 00:01:54 Speaker 2: I can explain the facts to you. 00:01:56 Speaker 4: We but we believe in freedom and sometimes that's a good thing and sometimes there's downsides to it. 00:02:02 Speaker 2: My goodness. Okay, So I was off this weekend. It was sort of the end of the summer. Promised my wife I'd put my phone down and be focused on her and the kids, which was seemed like a reasonable request, and it was awesome. We had some great time with the kids. I saw we saw bighorn sheep right up close, like they came right to wear our house. It was crazy. So anyways, great weekend with the kids, but there was a lot that happened and it's time to unpack it. And I will tell you, uh, I what a weekend to be away from your phone, because you know, there was this big debate with Andrew Wilson Candice Owen's which you're gonna get to get into, which if you. 00:02:41 Speaker 4: Watched that, send us emails and what you thought about it. Yeah, we're interested in that. 00:02:46 Speaker 2: Yep. We're gonna be talking about that with Viva Fry in just a little while. And then we've got our commit one hundred that is just popping off here. We're gonna have uh, we're gonna have Cliff Maloney and Tyler Boyer here to explain that. And then we've got the great Alex Marlow there it is. There's the graphic. This election won't win itself. That is absolutely certain. We need you guys to help us chase votes. Okay, we're gonna be chasing ballots, low propensity voters. We need all the help we can get. We have to fight, fight, fight, That is the key. That's what Charlie would have done. That's what we need to continue doing. But anyways, and there was this crazy story and I cannot help but feeling personally connected to it. And that is, of course the Lindsey Clancy story. And the reason I feel personally connected to it is because it seems like there is a one to one overlap of the same people that were attacking Erica, attacking Turning Point that are now raising hundreds of thousands of dollars for a woman who strangled her own children. 00:03:49 Speaker 4: I can't buy her own admission, by her attorney's admission. 00:03:53 Speaker 2: Admitted it. She's blaming SSRIs and adavan or lorezapalm and all the PAMs in the zones. And it's the wildest thing. So now the Internet has taken it and is blaming the husband, is blaming the drugs, blaming anybody but the mom who did this. They're saying she had postpartum depression that is a very serious condition, and that her anxiety medication put her over the top and she became a homicidal maniac, somebody willing and able to murder her own children. 00:04:28 Speaker 4: Blame Okay, if you're gonna blame pharma, at least you're parroting what the defense is claiming. 00:04:34 Speaker 2: What makes this wild to me? 00:04:35 Speaker 4: And I think they're wrong, But at least it's within the universe of something that could be alleged and you could believe it. But the fact that there are so many people and if you don't believe us, go on TikTok and look up Lindsay Clancy and just read the comments. Go on Facebook, maybe honestly, maybe talk to your friend, if your mom, talk to your Mommy friend groups, a lot of them are following this. 00:04:54 Speaker 2: It's the fact that they're just going out and they're. 00:04:56 Speaker 4: Just saying, I think the husband did it, and they're spinning up entire alternate universes that the defense is never alleged. Lindsay Clancy has never alleged, but tons of them believe this. 00:05:07 Speaker 2: And they're also claiming astrology. This is this is a real clip. Thousands of women are saying online that she couldn't have killed her kids because of astrology. 00:05:19 Speaker 5: Top fifteen Lindsay Clancy's birth chart. 00:05:22 Speaker 6: So there's anything here, shott'worth Nottwarrey is so she's in her overturn right now. 00:05:26 Speaker 7: You know, just following all their birth charts and birthdays in zodiac signs he did it. 00:05:31 Speaker 3: He did it. 00:05:32 Speaker 7: He's a Gemini man. 00:05:34 Speaker 5: His birthday is June fifteenth. 00:05:35 Speaker 7: Let me give you another example of who a Gemini man is, also birthday June fourteenth, Donald Trump, Patrick did it. 00:05:42 Speaker 8: I've already gone over the forendsic astrology charts that show that the perpetrator is a male, the perpetrators having an affair, and that the victims, but specifically Lindsay, was drugged during this. 00:05:56 Speaker 9: I can't wait for this man to be humbled. 00:05:59 Speaker 4: And I'm not sure any statement has ever given. I've never heard that statement before, and exploing mind forensic astrology, Yeah, forensic astrology. I'm a Leo, so I appreciate them believing Leo's can do no wrong. 00:06:14 Speaker 2: But here's the thing, though, we are living in a post truth Internet cooked my brain, the psychologist rationalized my evil behavior. Reality. This is the only reality that seems to be gaining traction on the Internet. Now. We are free speech absolutists. We love speech. We think that you should not be curtailed in your speech. But my goodness, is there ever been a moment in history where you're like, hey, some of those people that wanted a gate keep are kind of making some points. Now now we have to reject it because the bad people will use it to hurt the good people more often than not. But this stuff is nuts. Here is a clinical I guess, a licensed therapist defending Lindsey Clancy Sop. Fourteen. 00:07:00 Speaker 10: The Lindsay Clancy trial is going to be one of the most significant trials of your lifetime. Never before have we seen so many mothers and women rally behind somebody who confessed to killing her three children. And it is not because we cannot hold women accountable. Many of us see ourselves in Lindsay. Many of us know that we could have been only one step away from doing some of those horrific things. 00:07:37 Speaker 2: Yeah, if that is what your therapist is telling you, If you have a therapist that sounds like that, run run as fast as you can get away from them. They don't want your good They want to hurt you. They are going to do severe damage to your life, to your psychology, to your emotional well being, to your spiritual wellbeing. And by the way, that's the whole thing. That's just like boggling here. Like you're a devout Catholic. I'm a devout evangelical Christian, I am just sitting here watching this stuff. Going go to church for the love, humble yourself under the scriptures. This stuff is crazy. You guys are getting led astray by every new little idea, every fleeting fancy emotionalism, all of this stuff. So lit'st But let's to Blake's point, let's actually hear what the defense is trying to say, blaming it on the drugs. Top nineteen Jennifer. 00:08:32 Speaker 11: TUFs September fifteenth, twenty two. Cirtraline that's the zoloft. Then laurazepam October twenty first, Jennifer tups. Then hydroxyzine. Jennifer tuffs lori pazam. Jennifer tups this sparone. Jennifer Tuffs lourazepam increased, Jennifer TUFs this sparone increase from one milligram to five milligrams. Jennifer tuff trasidom from another individual Flex Team ten milligrams from another person named Julie Paul. Julie Paul worked at the Socioe Hospital when she went there to go trying to get some help from so Shua Perry Natle Behavioral Health, more medications. 00:09:15 Speaker 2: That's what they're talking about in real life. 00:09:16 Speaker 3: But then you can go online throw up. 00:09:18 Speaker 4: We know one thirty nine and they're just gonna say, I I don't believe I think the husband did it because we have a screenshot where he looks creepy yep. 00:09:27 Speaker 2: And the reason I just, man, I have lived this. Yeah, so this is the picture that should we have lived this. It is nuts out there, man, what people will believe in the aftermath of a tragedy. Ooh man, it just it makes your skin crawl because innocent people are getting absolutely you know, lambasted. Well, guilty people are being defended and seven hundred thousand dollars raised from me. You think about Austin Metcalf, same situation, all right. So I had to play this because this was one of the clips that I saw this morning. We're talking about Lindsay Clancy. This is the mother of three that strangled them then slit her own wrists and jumped out of a two story building, and all the women are just saying, hey, postpartum depression is real, which even if it is, it is real, but it is real. It is real. 00:10:17 Speaker 4: On the other hand, if you took a nineteen year old got on a bunch of drugs and then did a school shooting. 00:10:23 Speaker 2: This is what I brought up on thought crime. 00:10:25 Speaker 4: I don't think we would ever accept any depression medication related excuse for it. It just you can't justify a person who has any kind of break that causes them to commit a crime that heinous, and I think that should certainly apply to strangling your own toddlers as well as shooting up a kindergarten. 00:10:41 Speaker 2: Of course, this is all basic easy math to do, okay with anybody with a moral compass that's at all attuned you if you have ever prayed at all one time, like this stuff is easy, and the fact that it's apparently not. And they're raising seven hundred thousand dollars to defend this woman because you know, the huzzen looks creepy, I guess in a photo. Okay, but this one caught my eye this morning because it's a person that has harassed Erica, has harassed me. Right, I don't know much about her candidly, but I just as soon as I saw it, I was like, ah, one to one. It is like the ven diagram of people that have harassed Erica. An harassed turning point to her, Now, defending a mom who murdered three of her kids is shocking the amount of real estate that both of those concentric circles would would overlap. All right, let's play this SAT twenty five. 00:11:39 Speaker 12: Are you sheep? 00:11:44 Speaker 11: You're a dragon? 00:11:46 Speaker 2: Be a dragon? 00:11:55 Speaker 4: So for those who couldn't see it, besides playing weird creepy music, it says on the screen that Patrick Clancy, the husband, is about to be exposed a psychopath. 00:12:04 Speaker 2: That he is, and. 00:12:05 Speaker 4: Yeah, they just it's so important to emphasize that high level of overlap because we were discussing what's driving this, and I'm not entirely sure what psychologically does it, but it's very clear there's a large universe of people, very large. There's dozens of people whose full time job is making videos about this, posting about it, speculating about it, reading chats from viewers about it. You can easily spend all of your free time marinating in this case, Charlie's case, cases like it, Croberger. 00:12:37 Speaker 13: And the. 00:12:39 Speaker 4: Exactly and sure like true crime is popular. I think you and I we like a show about, oh, the Hunt for a real serial kill or something. I think that's what a lot of people assume true crime is, but a lot of it has mutated into this bizarre sphere where it very very frequently is creating very wild theories about cases where the evidence is more clear cut than is maybe compelling for good drama. And then so that was just condu And then also there's just the constant social media need to go further create new content, string stuff out, and I think that incentivizes weirder and weirder reactions to these things. 00:13:20 Speaker 2: I mean, there's a couple of things that I'm thinking about here. First of all, yeah, the true crime genre. And and by the way, you saw this in Hollywood, the rise of the anti hero right where you know, I love Breaking Bad for example, great show, Charlie, love Breaking Bad, but it is glorifying a meth cook, a meth dealer. You end up find yourself rooting for this person. There is like a you know, we've gotten away from this is why I don't watch these ships. Yeah, but we've gotten away just as a culture, from pop culture of rooting for the guy in the white hat, right, and we've we've sort of, you know, I guess, become accustomed to rooting for anti heroes, people that are fundamentally and morally flawed in some pretty egregious ways because it makes for good TV. I get it. I loved, like I said, I admit I loved Breaking Bad, but never in my mind would I then attribute the entertainment value of that and then invert my moral compass to the point where I'm trying to raise money and get a woman off who murdered three of her children. I don't care what the excuses are. Second thing, we have a massive mental health problem. We have chronically one online wine moms that literally they need strong male guidance. I know that's maybe controversial, but for whatever reason, this seems to be something that affects women more than it does men. I'm not saying men aren't unaffected, but we need there Like these women if they had a man that was like a wife, get off the phone. You need like we need to like go touch grass together, let's go for a while, thing like that. 00:14:52 Speaker 4: You know, it's interesting you say we have a mental health crisis. You should watch what we did last Friday if you haven't or watched the documentary it's about, because I do think there's something to be said that the whole segment was about we do have a mental health crisis. Is it caused by us constantly talking about it, marinating in therapy speak, therapy culture. And one of the takeaways from that documentary it was called thank you for sharing you guys. 00:15:13 Speaker 2: Should check it out, is it probably would be better if our response to. 00:15:20 Speaker 4: Mental health the stuff it looks like mental health crisis might be, oh, you know, it might be you know, sin is tempting me, and so I should pursue religion more, read the Bible more, rather than oh, I have this treatable condition that I should I should spend more time in therapy. I should look at this list of medications that I should get on. And there are certain, definitely cases where there is a clear link where medication is helpful. I think actual schizophrenics with delusions, there are medications that help with that and they should take them. But a lot of people are trying to medicate every single thing they do, and we see a lot of disastrous outcomes from it, and we see also a lot of people I think it's interesting that you mentioned Breaking there, because Breaking Bad is a dude show. 00:16:02 Speaker 2: But there's like what the Housemaid It was not the name of that movie. 00:16:06 Speaker 4: Where there's a lot of films out there that create this true crime dynamic. Oh, this idyllic looking family, Actually the husband is abusive. Actually, there's like sinister murders going on. There's a lot of fiction like that out there, and I think marinating in it too much might be warping people's brains. 00:16:23 Speaker 2: I'll remember my first trip to the UK. I met this like old school Irish guy and he said, I don't do therapy. I just have a beer with the blokes down at the pub and I work out all my problems. And you kind of wonder, did we have it right all along? 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It's good to see you. 00:18:33 Speaker 3: But the more you compliment me, the more conspiracies you're going to generate in terms of what I. 00:18:37 Speaker 2: Know, did did the check clear? Did the check clear? View? Don't even give. 00:18:42 Speaker 3: Them the sound bye it is. It's truly insane because not that I'm independent, I'm independent, but like I'm not a loaner either. I can't see that because Robert Barnes and I have our locals community and our show to a loaner as anybody gets in this business. And to be accused of taking box from Israel, and to be accused of being a Zionist, because what every Zionist does is they move from Canada to America like Zionist Canada Israel and Zionists, you know, the ones like me that criticized Israel in terms of what they did during COVID, experimenting on their population with the flies or jab you know, that's the it's insanity, it's true insanity. And yeah, at some point I could say, like you know, I could I could pick to, you know, other subjects to talk about, but this is what drives me not is it's leading people astray in a very meaningful sense. And Hassan Piker just really perfectly illustrated the benefit that the left is reaping from this. In addition to breaking up the Right and the Coalition and it's going to hammer the Republicans in the midterms, it also diverts the attention from where the attention should be political violence, and Hassan Piper is all too happy to have the attention be shifted from where it truly is to where it probably is not. 00:19:49 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, and we're going to get into that in the second segment. That's kind of where I was going eventually here. But Viva, I just want to say, we don't work together. I don't control I don't know what you're saying, you know, all that stuff, all the all the necessary caveats, and candidly, you're probably if I'm just like you know, judging us, especially Blake. Blake is like way on this side of the conspiracy spectrum and I'm somewhere in the middle. You're probably a little bit more prone to like entertain conspiracy. We'll be more open to conspiracies than any of them end up being true. Well, and I mean, listen, and here's what I think. I think COVID broke our collective brains. I genuinely think that COVID ruined so much because we were lied on this mass lied to on this mass scale, and we basically haven't recovered to it. It was the first time the government really flexed all of its muscles to sort of shove down our throats a fake narrative, and now everything's fake to everybody, even when the facts don't line up. And what I'm we started the show Viva talking about this Lindsay Clancy story where she even admits that she killed her three kids, and yet they're trying to get her off because of the zoloft and all this stuff and because of postpartum depression. We are living in a post truth online narrative and I'm genuinely worried it's going to cook people's brains even further and that this will not stay online. This will impact our electoral politics, this will impact our constitutional republic and so many things. But bringing it back here, Favie. You can opine on that if you want, but bringing it back to this debate that happened on Friday. I was off. I had a long weeknd with my kids, but I'm catching up. I saw that you said that you thought Andrew Wilson won, and then you went and talked with Alex Jones, who thought that Candice Own's won. Why do you think the debate was worth having? And why do you think that Andrew Wilson won. Andrew Wilson won. 00:21:41 Speaker 3: I mean, it's such a juvenile way of viewing it. Andrew Wilson made some unforced errors and it's the only one that they're running with where he couldn't name the seven charges offhand, and he said it was murder instead of aggravated murder. I operate on the basis that, first of all, Andrew Wilson could know nothing of the actual proceedings. He could be totally ignorant of the proceedings what that debate was supposed to flesh out for you know, those who are interested, is any substantiating evidence that Candace had for any of her various theories from the get go, the Egyptian planes, the trap door. He was shot from the front, he was shot from the back, he was shot from the down. He wasn't shot. It was an exploding mic. Israel had a hand in it. Erica Kirk was complicit. It was the time to flesh out per theories. But I've said this, I don't think it's an appropriate discussion to have right now as to the overwhelming nature of the evidence, because we're at the stage of the preliminary hearings and you talk about overwhelming, underwhelming reasonable doubt. At the trial, Tyler is innocent unless proven guilty right now. To have a debate as to the overwhelming nature of the evidence is a misguided, you know, premature debate because they haven't had all of the evidence, nor has the evidence been tested. So to say it's overwhelming, it is premature. It is prejudging. What you say right now is it's overwhelmingly you know the case, the probable cause is going to have been met and set that aside. So you know, Andrew missed the easy layup on the naming the charges. Then he went into a misguided accusation that he wouldn't ever been able to prove that Candace was cheating, which is how she you know, listed all seven of them incidentally almost verbat him to the way it's described on AI, but it doesn't matter. 00:23:14 Speaker 2: I got this clip. Actually, can I play if you? 00:23:17 Speaker 4: I just like to say, you know, you have to be careful with those things because a very common thing with conspirators is they're very good at specific details in whatever they're obsessed with, and then it's that they put them together in. 00:23:27 Speaker 2: A very Yeah. The ear piece thing, I didn't see coming, but this has apparently on online this morning. It's raging, so I'll play it to thirty. 00:23:37 Speaker 5: What is that? 00:23:39 Speaker 2: What is that? 00:23:39 Speaker 13: That's an ear piece? 00:23:41 Speaker 2: Was that legal? 00:23:44 Speaker 3: You see how he's touching his ear piece? Yes? 00:23:46 Speaker 5: Was he wearing an earpiece? 00:23:51 Speaker 13: Are you ready? That's Candas's ear piece? 00:23:55 Speaker 14: What does that mean? 00:23:56 Speaker 13: They gave that earpiece to all of us, so every o they they had no no, but wait, watch. 00:24:01 Speaker 3: What just happened. 00:24:03 Speaker 13: The market believes she had a near piece of things being fed to us. That was a near piece that Candace's producers gave. Candace gave him. 00:24:10 Speaker 2: Here every day, you guys behind the scenes. So was she going to say that on air? She would ease it? 00:24:15 Speaker 3: I don't think she would. 00:24:17 Speaker 13: I think she will. 00:24:17 Speaker 5: I don't think she has a problem with that. 00:24:18 Speaker 3: But that is their ear piece. 00:24:20 Speaker 2: So everybody had an earpiece. 00:24:22 Speaker 4: Everyone had an airpiece because she insisted on the debate being in her studio and so her staff gave people earpieces. 00:24:29 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, So half of. 00:24:31 Speaker 3: The Internet now believes that Andrew Wilson was cheating with an earpiece or as if it made any difference. And the whole thing about debates like this is it's a game of chess in that everything's on the board and you can't really cheat in the game of chess short of taking a player's piece off the table. But too you did that. 00:24:47 Speaker 2: This is a debate. 00:24:48 Speaker 3: Everyone should be able to fact check in real time, to hear what they're saying, and you flesh out the actual substance of the ideas. So set aside the fact that Andrew couldn't name the charges, like I told Alex Jones, big flipping deal. I wanted to know what evidence Candace had to substantiate her hypotheses for just asking questions that Israel was somehow involved. And her answer at the end of the day was a big fat nothing other than the call, and then she ended up with it's just my opinion, Like, that's just your opinion, man, that used to be a meme from the Big Lebowski that people would use to make fun of people who say, well, that's just my opinion, And she actually just said that as the basis for why she said. 00:25:25 Speaker 2: I know that. Like I literally thought at the end of this when I watched it, I was like, so wait, like all the death threads, all the accusations, all the smears, it was just like cause you it was just free association, you know, vibes O vibes. Okay, so you mentioned the Jews. We'll start there. This is from milk Bar TV guy online. He does these compilation videos twenty eight. 00:25:48 Speaker 15: Now, you have stated multiple times that you believe that Israel's involved in the death of Charlie Kirk. 00:25:53 Speaker 6: Can you give that's what all of the evidence and all the behavior points to is Israel's involvement. Those of us who believe that there is mounting evidence that Israel put a hit on Charlie Kirk and France and Israel are involved in Charlie Kirk's assassination, and I'm going to put that out there with full confidence. 00:26:11 Speaker 15: So I'm asking if you think that Israel and France were involved in the assassination of Charlie Kirk, and you say with full confidence, I'm just asking for the evidence, or at least walk me through the mindset of why it is that you can think. 00:26:23 Speaker 6: That, which I actually don't have to walk you through why I think. 00:26:27 Speaker 3: Just watch the show. 00:26:28 Speaker 2: Yeah, that seemed to be the whole pitch. It seemed to be like, hey, just watch the show if you want to know what I think. We like, we were here to hear you defend what you think. And then you know, the Washington Times put out this this headline. After that, Candice Owns concedes no direct proof Israel killed Charlie Kirk in debate with Andrew Wilson. So that one's there. I know that, as you know, you'll be shocked to hear that there was no evidence there. Viva. Here's another one that Milkbar does a great job of this complicit. So she has claimed that Erica and Turning Point are complicit for months now in Charlie's assassination, but now it's I find out it's just complicit in suggesting that Tyler Robinson might be guilty. Cut twenty seven. 00:27:11 Speaker 6: There is why it is impossible for me to think that Erica Kirk is not complicit. 00:27:16 Speaker 15: Somehow that Tyler Robinson was one hundred percent responsible for the death of Charlie Kirk. Let's just say she believed it with every fiber of her being believed all the evidence, because she did. 00:27:25 Speaker 5: She just actually did. 00:27:27 Speaker 15: Would it then follow that somehow she's complicit in his death. 00:27:32 Speaker 5: I didn't say implicit in death. You added those two words. 00:27:36 Speaker 2: She goes on to say, I think I believe I'm remembering right, that he was just complicit or she's complicit in Tyler Robinson being guilty in suggesting that all bit about Viva. 00:27:50 Speaker 3: No, but there was a post I forget which one from when she says that he was betrayed by people who eulogized him. I mean, the whole point is this, This was a something of a day of reckoning for Candace catching up to her. Call it lies or call it just exaggerations or theorizing. I've long said there's two types of lies, Saying something you know to be false when you say it, or positively asserting something that you have no legitimate basis to positively assert when you do it. She is very much guilty in my view of the second lie, which is when she said that the receipt or implied that the receipt from the panguige Cowboy Steakhouse, you know, prove that Tyler Robinson was there, and during that debate has to concede that they never tied that receipt to Tyler Robinson before or after, and that nonetheless, she puts that in her official timeline as to how Tyler Robinson couldn't have been at orm at eleven o'clock to send the text message because he was at Cowboy Steakhouse eating a steak in sprite. Even though they have not she admits they didn't tie that receipt to him. I don't understand how people don't, you know, get a little insulted. 00:28:53 Speaker 2: Well, and by the way, Viva, they have the cellbright, they pulled data off his phone. They've got GPS data from like I guess his phone or his car or whatever. The point is, you think the prosecution would go, you know, go into this knowing that they don't actually have his whereabouts where he needs to be, Like the defense wouldn't bring it up. Hi, folks, Andrew Colvett here, I'd like to tell you about my friends over at why REFI you've probably been hearing me talk about why Refi for some time. Now we are all in with these guys. If you or someone you know is struggling with private student loan debt, take my advice and give them a call. Maybe you're behind on your payments, maybe you're even in default. You don't have to live in this nightmare anymore. Why ref I will provide you a custom payment based on your ability to pay. They tailor each loan individually. They can save you thousands of dollars and you can get your life back. We go to campuses all over America and we see student after student who's drowning in private student loan debt. 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You had in a year of show spinning wild theories, and when she's finally just asked straightforwardly, why do you believe these things, she's she's like, oh, I can't actually say why I still think these things, but I can't say why. 00:30:38 Speaker 3: This is a great example Clip three in. 00:30:40 Speaker 6: France and Israel are involved in Charlie Kirk's assassination, and I'm going to put that out there with full confidence. 00:30:47 Speaker 5: Okay, also involvement, I understand. 00:30:49 Speaker 15: Yeah, so you think you with full confidence you think that, yeah, I think. 00:30:54 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:30:55 Speaker 6: I mean the person that gave me that thing that I reported said that French Foreign Legion ron ground that day. Again, this would be this would be at a professional limitation for me to then go and probe that information that I handed over. 00:31:07 Speaker 5: I can't do that. I'm not the positive evidence. 00:31:11 Speaker 10: I don't. 00:31:11 Speaker 6: Can you just stop it. It's actually just like annoying to hear you keep saying positive evidence. I've just asked me what I think. I just tell you, yes, I think they are at all blame. 00:31:21 Speaker 2: You know claim that bothers me, Viva is that there's this constant burden shifting that happens where you make a really reckless, crazy claim, but then you feel like, there's no responsibility that you need to back it up with any evidence it's worth. 00:31:36 Speaker 3: It's worse than that. And first of all, I've got, you know, no affinity for the Israeli governments. I've got no affinity for any government on earth. If there were the slightest shread of evidence as of now, positive actual evidence, you know, not like the absence of evidence is the evidence that Israel was involved I six French intelligence. We would we would want to know it and we would want to act on it. But you need a shred of it. What they have and what they've been playing with the entire time is the absence of evidence is the evidence. I make the accusation and did Okay, it can hold up on the men's rea element the intent. 00:32:09 Speaker 9: Yeah. 00:32:09 Speaker 3: Sure, you can make an argument that Israel Netanyahu would want to take out Charlie if he was going to lead an entire generation of conservatives to switch their views on Israel. Plant that same argument holds not just as true, but more true for the MMI, W TWOSLGBTQI plus community, who Charlie was very critical of, and he was killed in that moment itself. And so the rationale that they used to conclude that Israel was involved somehow in the absence of any shred of evidence. Is the exact same motivation that would also motivate the trans LGBT community, who were very angry at Charlie, except as a slight more prima facie at least commencement of evidence that Tyler Robinson did it versus an Israeli element. And I appreciate the absence of the evidence is that Joe Kent asked Patel to look into a foreign nexus and Patel allegedly shot down or didn't follow up on that. And I agree that that's a problem. It's not a problem that implicates Israel per se or any foreign element per se. It might be one that could potentially reveal a domestic element, which is why Patel would have had an inkling or an incentive not to pursue it. But it's always the absence of the evidence is the evidence, and you can never disprove that. And bottom line, she gets up there and says, I believe, I believe. I feel feels like fifty five times during that debate, because this is all just intuition, It's all I'm putting out things that could be true in a crime novel, except I have zero evidence for it, and her evidence the reason for it. 00:33:36 Speaker 2: She doesn't have the evidence. 00:33:37 Speaker 3: Well, she can't go probe the leads that she got. Oh the receipt. You got to go ask diligent denizen because it's his story. Oh, I can't reveal my sources. Oh, someone from the French government, high up with intelligence of an alleged plot to kill me from the French legions told me. 00:33:52 Speaker 10: So. 00:33:53 Speaker 3: I go to the FBI and they probably think she's absolutely insane and then doesn't reveal the source to them because they didn't get back to her, and them not getting back to her is the reason why she didn't reveal the source. And it's the evidence that the plot was true. It's crime series insanity and people have fallen down this rabbit hole. And to go back just to the beginning where he said, COVID broke people's brains. People no longer know what to believe, and they can therefore justify believing absolutely anything. The amount of people who don't understand how to compare comparables that come to me and say, viv you think Brian Cole Junior is a patsy in the pipe bomber case. But you believe this With Tyler Robinson, I said, that's all. He'll get his trial, and if I see evidence that proves his innocence or doesn't prove his guilt, we'll deal with that when we get there. But anybody thinking that those two things are comparable. That Brian Cole Junior was arrested five years after the most thorough investigation in the history of America, after he was initially investigated and then not followed up on. A month after Steve Baker releases an expose exposing who he thinks might be the January sixth pipe balmer, which is a Capitol Police officer, former, and CIA employee, and that the evidence that they have against Brian Cole Junior are household items bought over the peer of eight years. Compare that to Tyler Robinson, who turned himself in right or Wrong thirty three hours later after his parents allegedly identified him after his boyfriend identified him. And people think that these are somehow comparable, So they could say, Brian call Julian Zapatti, so too must be Tyler Robinson. People have lost their ability to think critically, and they can justify it because they have zero trust in the institutions, zero trust in the FBI, and to some extent, the FBI and the dj has to take responsibility for people's lack of faith having been restored into the institution for the lies that they've been told. Now as relates to Thomas Crooks not having a social media footprint, you know, Epstein killed himself, which people just won't believe, especially after the years of you know, investigating that we were being told to not believe it. And so people have such distrust in the system, they feel empowered to believe whatever the hell they want, even if it's not at all remotely comparable to the things that they have a legitimate basis to be questioning. 00:35:52 Speaker 2: You know, the narrative and the laptop and COVID came from you know, wet market. All the things got. 00:35:58 Speaker 4: Well, there's a very important clip that we need to get to be as it gets to the heart of this and why it's so important to keep talking about this. This was the San Piker last few days talking about how he feels about the case thirty two. 00:36:09 Speaker 16: I can't like her tweets because she blocked me many many years ago. This is before she became our hero. Okay, many many years ago, Candace always blocked me. I've I've not been a fan of Candace Owans. I am a fan now? 00:36:23 Speaker 4: And why is he a fan? I think we got this in reverse order. He's a fan because she's mangled the case. 00:36:28 Speaker 17: Thirty one can't speak out against this queen because this is a queen that successfully and single handedly undermined the Republican initiative. 00:36:41 Speaker 14: To martyrrize Charlie Kirk and use that example to crack down on political dissent. 00:36:50 Speaker 5: But I'm with her. 00:36:51 Speaker 3: It's hard. 00:36:51 Speaker 2: It's hard for me. 00:36:53 Speaker 14: My brain says no, it's probably Tyler Robinson, but my heart. 00:36:57 Speaker 5: Says, go Candace, go keep cooking. You know, does that make sense? 00:37:03 Speaker 2: Viva? I think this clip is probably one of the more infuriating ones that I've seen in the aftermath, because there was this moment where we were all focused on the violent left assassination culture, rooting out these networks, rooting out the left wing violence ecosystem, the funding networks, whatever, and what he just said there is so damning and she should so be ashamed of herself candidly for what has happened and what she has managed to distract everybody with French foreign legies, Egyptian planes, Fort Wachuka, all this craziness. He's a patsy. He's a patsy. That clip right there is so hard to watch because there's truth in it. 00:37:47 Speaker 3: Well, no, it's the old expression, you know, never interrupt your enemy when they're making a mistake. And he acknowledges what Candice is doing. It is whether or not it's of bad faith, it's a mistake from the personspective of his political ideology. Can you imagine also the idea that God forbid you should martyrrize colloquially speaking, a man who did nothing other than engage in peaceful rhetoric, A man who is nicer than ninety nine point nine percent of the people out there who engaged, who changed minds, and who was brutally murdered because of the manner in which he did it and his persuasive abilities while doing it. That is literally a martyr, you know, beyond the religious sense. And they get to they just they're they're so happy now because he doesn't get to get martyrrized, because you know, it's almost like the institution that he built is being demonized. They no longer get to focus on what is political violence and what is assassination? You know, loving culture out there from the Luigi Mangioni with Luigi, it's funny that they don't claim he's a patsy. They just claim he was righteous to do what he did because big bad CEO of a big bad health company, health insurance company, she knows what she's doing. If she doesn't know what she's doing, Hassan Piker's telling her what she's doing, and he's loving it. He also believes it's Tyler. Nobody's going to go after a Hassan Piker and call him a fence lauper, but he loves the fact that what she's effectively done is diverted from where the probable culprit is. And I say this, and I said it before and I'll say it again. There could be foreign elements involved in this, and I do sincerely believe, although I appreciate I can't yet produce any evidence that people were radicalizing Tyler Robinson online. And I still ask the same question that I've asked in the beginning. Has the FBI Utah State investigators looked into, identified and cleared each and every person who was involved in this. 00:39:34 Speaker 2: C Viva, I still have those same questions. Just to be clear, I still have those same questions. Nudging is a real thing that happens online. These foreign actors, whether it's Russia, ran, the CCP, they go into these chats, they nudge vulnerable young people to do radical things. So it's a known, proven phenomenon. And I still have those same questions. And then I got attacked for saying I still have those questions because and I asked questions. Yeah, I don't have questions about the evidence that they a minuted a trial or the preliminary hearing. Rather, I thought that was pretty compelling stuff. I think a lot of people with half a brain think that was pretty compelling stuff. And then she goes on to say there's zero she has zero confidence that he is culpable for this crime. Zero. But then she says, hey, if I saw new stuff, then yeah, I could be convinced, which is basically a contradiction in and of itself. I just want to end it here, Viva, by you know, sort of the bigger picture. We are in a fight for I believe, like reality of truth. Where do we go from here? And how do we fix it. 00:40:34 Speaker 3: Well, you're going to find out whose assessment of reality or assessment of the present proves to be more accurate over time. You may not know it in the moment, but when I was taking a lot of flack or just asking the questions about the Panguitch p receide, it's my biggest go to example, because you know they say we have it. The entire timeline's blown open. You got Baron Coleman talking about how it's impossible Tyler Robinson's a patsy, he could never have gotten from a to be as like, all right, assume you want to believe that. These are the questions you're gonna have to asked. How does the receipt confirm it was the individual? But they want to move on what feeds their foregone conclusions, And it's basically just motivated reasoning. The truth will come out at the end of the day. Sunlight is the greatest disinfectant. You will see who put forward untenable, unsubstantiated theory one after the other, and you'll know, I guess who to trust and who not to trust. But at some point in time, how do you bring back a little bit of sanity? It's top down and bottom up. I mean, people have to understand that skepticism is one thing, but conspiracy psychosis is entirely another. And you should never trust anybody. But that doesn't mean reflexively believing the exact opposite, because that's just as bad as blind to trust. Question everything, And it doesn't mean that everything that the FEDS are going to tell you is going to be a lie. Because Cannas comes out and says zero percent confidence that Tyler Robinson is the right person. She's operating on a foregone conclusion that the text messages, discord chats are all falsified. Now if it turns out to be falsified, well then holy hell, we do have a problem. 00:42:02 Speaker 2: Well, but you're not. You've got like seventeen agencies involved in one of the biggest conspiracies ever if that's the case. But you got surveillance footage, you've got family members, you've got his gay lover, you've got DNA, you've got yeah, you got fingerprint, you've got geolocated. So I mean you would have to you would. I mean, I don't try just a government to park a car, let alone draft a conspiracy. This sweeping and expansive and nobody even talked about it. 00:42:28 Speaker 3: But maybe there might be like you know, there maybe all of those evidence shreds of evidence can be you know, disassembled at a trial. But we're at the preliminary hearing stage. We don't need to belabor that. The point is also based on a lot of disinformation. Misinformation when you have some of these analysts coming out and saying, well, they can't disprove it because the information wasn't communicated to them, and that's false that they've had the phone records for since March, the March disclosure. The whole thing is people come to the conclusion that they didn't raise any of these issues at the preliminary hearing because they couldn't. What they don't understand is they can't now challenge them because of the preliminary hearing. They didn't challenge them despite having the requisite potential evidence or contradictory evidence to do it. 00:43:09 Speaker 2: But yeah, it's a good point. 00:43:11 Speaker 3: It's like it's it's motivated reasoning to the extent that people already have the conclusions to which they've come. The more they dig in their heels and the more they you know, praise and celebrate the people who have led them to those erroneous conclusions from a sheer ego perspective, the more they have to continue to believe it will. 00:43:26 Speaker 2: And then continue to by the way, I gotta I gotta wrap it up here because we've got to get rid for hour two here. But I just want to say, you know, there was a bit of a debate whether we should cover the debate, and my my whole thing is, listen, this has become a big story. There's no denying it. And I actually think that you know, a lot of people, I knew that she has a bigger following, so it was going to be like she won, she won, he lost, he lost. You know, if you just like took the general temperature of the room. I happen to think that that is going to age extremely well because the things that this debate will age extremely well because the things that she admitted to were just crazy, like actually legitimately nothing. It was all opinion, it was all just feels. It was, there's zero evidence, and I think, you know, go ahead. 00:44:08 Speaker 4: I think it's just if you see those clips we aired, it's remarkable to then tell someone this woman has been talking basically exclusively on this topic for a year because she's so eager to back off from everything, she's so eager to turn everything into That's just my opinion. I actually I've not been offering. I don't have any any positive evidence. What have you been talking about for three hundred hours? 00:44:32 Speaker 2: Yeah? Five, we could continue on for forever. We could. There's so much to get to. There's so many more clips we didn't play. Uh, but uh, I appreciate you being on team Sanity, and yeah, we'll talk to you again soon. Man. 00:44:45 Speaker 3: Absolutely, thank you very much. 00:44:48 Speaker 2: If you're about to turn sixty five and you're already on Medicare, this message is for you. Charlie cared about America's seniors. 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There was one other clip I actually really wanted to play for our purposes here just to kind of wrap this up, because it was just there's the whole premise of this debate was the patsy thing, right, So let's go ahead and see the contradictions here. Again. This is from Milk bar Tee, who does great compilations of this stuff. 00:46:02 Speaker 15: Twenty six Candice's belief that there's overwhelming evidence that Tyler Robinson was a patsy and didn't kill Charlie Kirk. 00:46:08 Speaker 5: Why is it that we should go with this idea that it was a patsy. 00:46:11 Speaker 6: I'm not saying that we should go with the idea that it was a patsy. I am saying that there. 00:46:16 Speaker 15: Is oh j I thought that was the whole defense, your whole. 00:46:19 Speaker 6: Clim Tyler Robinson. 00:46:20 Speaker 2: They're gonna convict him. They found their patsy. 00:46:22 Speaker 5: They're gonna make it work, the alleged trutor. You think they're a patsy. 00:46:25 Speaker 6: Of course there pasty patty, which is what Tyler Robinson is, stee which is what Tyler Robinson is. 00:46:34 Speaker 2: All right, it was just a good clip. We had to play it, so contradictions up the ying yan. We are joined now by Tyler Boyer and Cliff Maloney is joining as we speak. Tyler, you are the CEO of Turning Point Action and we have a big announcement to make today. We are launching in earnest Commit one hundred and commit one hundred is a word we used a lot in twenty twenty four expression we use lot in twenty twenty four, but for those who don't remember it, why don't you tell us what it is? 00:47:05 Speaker 12: Yeah, So we're really excited today to be launching again for twenty twenty six. What we launched in twenty twenty four, which was our Commit one hundred program, our Commit one hundred program was committing volunteers to chase one hundred ballots, which is really exciting because we have an application, the TP Action application. So if you go to tpaction Dot com slash app. You can download the app and be prepared and then go to tpaction dot com Slash one hundred today it's live to get signed up and our team will start the process of assigning essentially one hundred votes to chase during this election. How it works is we have basically our team that we're working together with Citizens Alliance, and that's Cliff Maloney who we have who is here with us. 00:47:57 Speaker 2: We're excited. He's the goat. He's the goat vote chaser. 00:48:00 Speaker 12: He's if you see him online and their organization at doors Wyn Wars and the idea is that the teams will be working in conjunction to support getting people to Arizona, Nevada and New Hampshire. And if you'd like to attend and help chase votes and we did this with thousands of thousands of people in twenty twenty four, We'll give you a hotel room you can stay for at least a week at a time. 00:48:31 Speaker 2: Is ideal, but stay longer. If you want stay longer, you could give vote an entire month of your life to just chasing votes and then go back to your job, go back to your normal life. Yeah, so we make this extraordinarily easy for you. And we're partnering with Cliff Maloney and Citizens Alliance. So welcome, Cliff. I think Cliff's hey, Cliff, welcome. 00:48:51 Speaker 18: Exciting day, guys. Appreciate you having me big launch. Let's win this thing twenty twenty six. Excited for the results. 00:48:58 Speaker 2: You know, Cliff, when you're talking, all can hear is your like your your your call from twenty twenty four. You know we should pull up that clipse. It's always fun with clips here. It's like the most oft played clip from twenty twenty. 00:49:10 Speaker 12: Tens of millions of people have heard Cliff like an age. I think the Angel from having I think. 00:49:15 Speaker 4: It's the most seen clip probably of like that moment. 00:49:18 Speaker 2: That and that's where Charlie realized that President Trump had been elected for a second time. It is a beautiful moment. And so when you come on, Cliff, all I hear is like, you know, the call moment, the call that we gotta we gotta like brand it. I think it should be the call like the call of twenty twenty four. 00:49:36 Speaker 12: So well, can I say this? Andrew, none of that, And Charlie would said the same thing. He said this sitting right here on the show that that moment loses all its luster if we don't win in twenty twenty six, if we. 00:49:48 Speaker 2: Don't carry on, what's there. 00:49:50 Speaker 12: So the exciting part of this is that I hope to hear Cliff's voice give that call again on election night, because we're probably. 00:49:57 Speaker 2: Gonna be doing the same thing. Yeah, we're gonna work. It takes the work. It's gonna be we're gonna be streaming that night. But they're okay, let's just call the elephant out in the room here, Cliff. So we're partnering. Turning Point Action is partnering with your organization, New Hampshire, Nevada, Arizona, the Red Wall as we're calling it. We're gonna get thousands of volunteers. Everybody can go to tpaction dot com slash one hundred. You get a free hotel room. We assign you a list of names. It's all on your phone. You go knock on doors, you send text messages, you harass nicely for them to get their ballot. And the elephant in the room though, is we got some headwinds. 00:50:29 Speaker 12: We call that polite nudging. 00:50:31 Speaker 2: Polite nudging. Yeah, okay, we got some headwinds this year. Okay, like the vibes have been mixed, let's just say that. Okay, how are we approaching this is anything different? What do we gotta do to get us over the finish line? We're trying to keep the House, keep the Senate. Cliff Maloney, Well, look, I. 00:50:51 Speaker 18: Always tell people that you know, and I think all of us would agree, this was Charlie's vision. I mean, you guys taught me this. Charlie taught me this, which is worked backwards. 00:50:58 Speaker 2: From the presidential right. 00:50:59 Speaker 18: So before even talk about, hey, how much should we be involved in twenty twenty six, how much should we go all in? Is it even worth it if things look bad? Right, if the pessimists want to say, well, we can't hold the House and the Senate you know is going to be a battle, My answer to that is it doesn't matter. Right, we have to build permanent infrastructure in twenty twenty six, We have to compete in twenty twenty six if we want to be competitive for the White House in twenty twenty eight, which everybody agrees, that's what we're focused on. But in the meantime, what are we doing. Look, we're never going to move the needle more than five points, with any of our ground game efforts, with any of our door to door, with any of the Commit one hundred programs. And I don't mean that as a bad thing, right, but like to think to yourself, Hey, we're going to be the ones that can control. 00:51:46 Speaker 19: No. 00:51:46 Speaker 18: Look, we can't control a lot of things. We can't control the messaging of a lot of these campaigns. We can't control some of the outside forces of what the left puts up or what the actual message of the day is. But what we can control is do we match the Democrats tactics? Do we go and fight fire with fire to do what we're doing? Turning point, Citizens Alliance were one of the only two groups and a couple other partners that understand the value of putting boots on the ground, paid staff, volunteers, everyone out there, book your vacation now, come to Nevada, come to Arizona, come to New Hampshire, tpaction dot Com, Slash one hundred. This is what it's about, is not coming up with excuses or reasons to not get involved. It is going to be a battle for the midterms. But that's why we're operating this plan. That's why we're launching commit one hundred again today and we're honored to be a part of it. 00:52:40 Speaker 12: Yeah, and the exciting part about this is that if you're on the East coast, you have Last election cycle, we only did this in Arizona in Wisconsin for the most part, and we had a few other states that we did it, a little bit of Nevada, a little bit in Michigan as well. But on the East coast we now have New Hampshire. So if you're on the East coast, if you're in the northeast, there's a lot of New York, a lot of New Englanders who have said, Hey, i'd like to New Hampshire's itt. We got a place for you. We're excited to have you there, I'm gonna tell you. And once we get out of break here there, the polls are tightening up. This is the worst polling era of every election cycle is usually early August, and polling is coming back right now. That's looking very good for Republicans, especially in these three states, and so everyone, but we need everyone, just like Cliff said, to show up and to do what the Democrats are going to do, which we know they're going to chase every vote that they possibly. 00:53:39 Speaker 2: Can we have to do this same. Yeah, Well, in New Hampshire, for people that aren't aware, has more registered Republicans than Democrats. It's the indie vote right in the midst that in the middle that tends to get you know, become you know, I think the defining vote in that state. But when you have so many Republicans that aren't just showing up in New Hampshire, the return on investment, the return on man hours and volunteers is huge, huge, huge. And that's a state that has a conservative legislature but tends to send Democrats to Washington. So we got to fix that. That's why we're focusing there. 00:54:13 Speaker 19: Fox News decides Donald Trump is president of the United States. We've got our republic back, Volks, let's go. Everybody should remember this moment. Look, I'm gonna I'm gonna echo Charlie from earlier. Remember where you were when this happened. Remember where you were when you realized that the UNI Party and all of these, you know, just the establishment. 00:54:45 Speaker 18: You said, it's time to actually participate. 00:54:47 Speaker 3: And look what you guys have done. 00:54:49 Speaker 4: And if anyone deserves to get tears in his eyes, it's Charlie. I think we all agree something. 00:54:58 Speaker 3: No one has worked harder than Charlie. 00:55:00 Speaker 19: We gotta hear some words here from you, Charlie. You put all this together. 00:55:04 Speaker 18: My man, let's hear it. 00:55:05 Speaker 2: I am just humbled by guys. 00:55:08 Speaker 7: It's all got, it's all got got along, got along, that's all for sure. 00:55:16 Speaker 5: Decision desk has it. Pennsylvania. 00:55:19 Speaker 1: It's beginning. 00:55:25 Speaker 2: Mmmm. Man. Felt so good. Charlie was so good about keeping the whole movement on mission, being focused, laser focused on winning, and we want to make sure we get back there. We stay on track. Blake, you have an email you want to read. 00:55:41 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I just people get so fired up about this. We got an email from Jennifer who just she heard our list states. Please add Wisconsin to this list. 00:55:48 Speaker 2: Please. 00:55:49 Speaker 4: It's ugly here and we need to do the same. But I know we hear that a lot everyone. A big anthem is people would love to have this in every state, and I think we'd love to have. 00:55:58 Speaker 3: It in every state. 00:55:59 Speaker 4: But it shows how intense the work is. We could promise every state and it would be half baked and lame and not really do the work. And what we're committed to is smaller number of states. But We're doing the full project, the full intensity, the full Yeah. 00:56:14 Speaker 12: I mean, so we have an office in Wisconsin, so we bring up Wisconsin. Tom Tiffany's running. Last week we got the bad news that Francesca Hang was not who we're going up against in that state. That's no reason to be less bullish about Tom Tiffany. Tom Tiffany's great is great candidate. There's some great organizations that are working really hard in Wisconsin, and I would label that kind. 00:56:39 Speaker 2: Of like our fourth place state. 00:56:41 Speaker 12: We're focused on building the red Wall because Wisconsin's part of the Blue Wall, and we know that the Left is investing so heavily into that state. They need that state. They have no choice but to win that state. And so part of the strategy that we're employing with Arizona, Nevada and New Hampshire is that you have to build the red wall to compete with the blue wall that they need, because if you are able to fracture, then even if they win the entire wall, then we still can win. 00:57:08 Speaker 2: You're creating a scenario where we hold a national presidential election in twenty eight and explain that too. Tyler and Cliff how muscle memory getting new Hampshire activated, Nevada activated, and Arizona activated for the long term is so important. 00:57:24 Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, So the first thing is that twenty twenty eight, again we're looking at the current map, but remember redistricting will happen for twenty thirty two, and so the map actually becomes even more positive for Republicans in most red states, which makes it even more reason why the left will they'll have to maintain basically their entire map that they were winning with for about twenty years. So Nevada and New Hampshire they're part of their strategies. They kind of have to try to win Arizona or other states like Georgia, North Carolina, things like that, right, which they're going to have to do, so US winning that is statistically important for US. But then states like Nevada and New Hampshire they were counting on winning, They were counting on those becoming bluer, and that hasn't happened. They've actually in many ways become redder. Where there's a Republican voter registration advantage or there have been advantages over the. 00:58:20 Speaker 2: Last Nevada years, we just took the advantage, right, and it. 00:58:24 Speaker 12: Kind of flips back and forth a little bit, but it's really close. And the point is is that between all three of those states you have a dramatic voter registration advantage with Republicans. It's a good sign if anything. Of course, they're still independence that you have to you have to worry about and make sure that you have conservative independence. You have to talk to them. But yeah, that's the good starting. 00:58:44 Speaker 2: Point, all right, Cliff. So we're partnering with Citizens Alliance on Commit one hundred one more time on the u r L. It's tpaction dot com slash one hundred. Tpaction dot com slash one hundred. Give us our marching orders, Cliff, you had the great call, just you know, serenade us with your with your your vocals. Here Cliff, by the way, Cliff is a is a former theater kid. I give you the former We confirmed. We've confirmed this, We've seen that, we've seen the performance. I'm not making this up. The serenading, this is real. 00:59:13 Speaker 18: Look, I appreciate that this is the only show I feel comfortable or forced to go into my theater days, which I've tried to delete from my past and the internet. Look, I think I want to I want to back up Tyler. 00:59:25 Speaker 2: Here. 00:59:25 Speaker 18: The cool thing about working with Turning Point and the vision here. If we are to make all three of these states Arizona, Nevada, and New Hampshire red states, it's not just that we become extremely competitive, it's that the Left cannot win a national election again in our lifetime. Right, let me let me say it one more time. If we make all three of these states Arizona, Nevada, and New Hampshire red states, where we continuously win and trend read, the Left is going to have to change their entire playbook. So yes, Turning Points involved in states like Wisconsin, Citizens Alliance. We're still double down on states like Pennsylvania. But the reason that we're going all in on these three states is because it's going to force them to be uncomfortable. It's going to force them to have to move resources. So anybody out there that is thinking, hey, listen, I want to block the communists, I want to stop the socialist this dsa takeover of the Democrats, how do we stop it from infiltrating across the country? Tpaction dot Com slash one hundred book a week, give us a week in October, give us a week leading up to the election, come out, get one hundred voters to commit and actually make an impact on the election. 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Name of the game now, all right. Alex Marlow, one of our faves, host of The Alex Marlow Show, Editor in chief of Bright Bart Alex, how we doing today? Good to see my friend. 01:04:10 Speaker 5: I'm doing great. Great to see you guys, Blake. Nice to see you. 01:04:12 Speaker 10: Andrew. 01:04:13 Speaker 5: Always a pleasure. 01:04:14 Speaker 2: So I woke up, so I took the weekend off right. I promised my wife I was gonna I was gonna he looked at sheep. He looked a big horn. I saw a big horn sheep. Big proud guy, big big horns and some. 01:04:25 Speaker 5: Of his hair to purchase. You're you're in the market. 01:04:28 Speaker 2: No, it was like it came up to this house. I was staying up. It was amazing, Like it just came up right right to the house. I was like, there's a big horn sheep right out the window. 01:04:36 Speaker 9: And then you know, you know, I live in a part of the world where they actually released I live on the outskirts of town, literally two blocks over, and it's eighteen miles of Desertus Mountain range, and we actually have goats who are in the neighborhood. There's hundreds and hundreds of them that actually eat the brush so that the whole neighborhood doesn't burn down, and they're always there, and it's just it's such a delight to see them with the. 01:04:59 Speaker 2: J and then they hoop all over the place. We could see that. I think he called scat right, they could see it all over the property. We're like, man, there's some hoofed animals around here, and we saw him anyway, So I want to get into this because Alex I woke up this morning and I was like, oh wait, JD. Vance is a communist or something, big, big fat socialist, And so I dug into this and it's nothing at all. And I do want to say, there is an op and it's all about twenty twenty eight. We know this. It's everything is a proxy war for twenty twenty eight who's going to be the nominee? And the people that don't like JD they just keep coming up with new stuff. So this was actually a twenty twenty three clip from twenty twenty three, three years old. We'll play the clip and explain it. On the other side. JD. Vance on the dollar st. 01:05:42 Speaker 20: Two, I'm a this is like maybe super heterodox. I am not sure that I think the reserve currency is actually good for the United States of America. I think there is a good argument the reserve currency status is akin to coal in Appalachia. 01:05:57 Speaker 3: It's a resource curse. 01:05:58 Speaker 2: Right. 01:05:58 Speaker 20: It allows your consumers to consume very cheaply. 01:06:03 Speaker 3: Right. 01:06:03 Speaker 20: That's been the story of the American economy for the last fifteen or so years. Even before that is we can just borrow basically in an unlimited way because we have the reserve currency, all right, so that clip. 01:06:15 Speaker 2: Gets surfaced again in the break. Alex I was talking about it with Blake and he didn't even know that it was a three year old clip. He just assumed it was from like yesterday. 01:06:22 Speaker 4: Yeah, I figured this was Oh, he was speaking of an event, and I was like, I'm not sure why he would be saying that. I didn't they dug up a three year old clip to complain about this. 01:06:29 Speaker 2: Yes, So this is actually, turns out, Alex a very sort of obscure economics talk because JD is like, you know, pretty smart, and he likes studying things like economics. And the resource curse is this it is. It's also called the paradox of plenty. So this is a very again obscure economics talk. Okay, it's the observation the country's richly endowed with natural resources, especially non renewable ones like oil, natural gas, and minerals, often experience slower economic growth, weaker development outcomes, higher inequality, more corruption, et cetera, because they are reliant overly so on a strategic advantage. Right now we were talking in the break again. You could make the same argument about the South during the Civil War. They were reliant on slave labor and they didn't want to get rid of that, but it actually resulted in less favorable outcomes economically for them, and when it came to war with the North, it was more industrialized, had greater advantages. Right, So this is something it's obscure. And nowhere in this does he say, Alex that he wants to get rid of it. He's just pointing out the downside, because nobody ever talks about the downsides. Your your reaction to this clib. 01:07:37 Speaker 9: Yeah, first of all, did it originate with his phil Magnus character online who claims to be an economic historian? 01:07:44 Speaker 5: Because that was where I saw it. 01:07:46 Speaker 2: Yeah, James Lindsay posted That's okay, So it. 01:07:50 Speaker 5: Just that adds to the conversation. 01:07:52 Speaker 9: Though personally I've always liked James, but the I don't know who's got a hold of his Twitter account sometimes in recent months. 01:07:59 Speaker 5: The point is I text. 01:08:00 Speaker 2: Him directly and tell him the same, just to be fair. 01:08:02 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like, oh, who's running to James? Stop? Stop, pull the keyboard awaye please? Sometimes please no. 01:08:07 Speaker 9: But so this is the point here, I will talk economics and I we have a great economic news letter. Bry Barthay I contribute to what John Carney called the Bright Bar Business Digest. 01:08:14 Speaker 5: Ever should check that out. 01:08:16 Speaker 9: But my expertise starts with media, and this is obviously not like with this out this guy. Obviously he's a big jerk who hates fans, and so that's what he's doing. And you should see that in that vein that this is being elevated specifically because despite the efforts to try to make Vance the villain of the Iran War, that that's not working. All the polls are suggesting that Vance is still by far the front runner for twenty twenty eight, and then people try to elevate Marco. And I love Mark ar think Marco would be and hopefully will be an amazing president one day. But Marco is basically already endorsed fans. So it is all about stopping Vance from being president. And that always is deeply off putting to me because Vance is a super thoughtful person even when you disagree with him, which is one of the things I love about him, and one of the reasons why I've been in support of his since before he actually entered politics is because of this. Because he's not a shoot from the hip guy. He's a guy who's a thinker who tries to think through this stuff. But I think if I'm trying to interpret Vance, and I don't know why he'd have to respond to this stuff, but if he chooses to, he's concerned that US having no industrial base, having no manufacturing base is a massive concern for the country when it comes to political costs, when it comes to national security, when it comes to Americans not having a economy that is stable, and it just does encourage people to live beyond means, and it kind of inverts capital flows. And there's so many objections that I think are kind of reasonable to this position. I would love to hear Vance's full take. But he's a guy who's always thinking abu Middle America. He's always thinking about a peace through strength approach and having a robust manufacturing base, and that's probably where this comes from. But again, we're plucking things out of context to politically assassinate a guy. 01:09:53 Speaker 4: Yeah, and another thing, Charlie was a fan of Chris caldwell book Age of Entitlement, and a big theme of that is that America, because we could borrow so much money, we've avoided fixing obvious problems far longer than other countries could get away with, so that we borrowed a ton, so we could have massive entitlement state and massive military that can invade every country. And we've done that eighties, nineties, twenty twenty tens up to the present. And we might have had to actually fix a lot of these problems in the eighties and nineties. It would have been painful, we would have felt poorer while we did it, but we would have been getting them solved then instead. Yes, we kind of we've been very rich, we've lived large, but it means the pain when we have to confront possibly losing reserve currency status, having to confront a debt crisis will be a lot greater. It could be, it could be a very great It could be cataclysmic in theory. 01:10:48 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that's such a good point. We have not been forced to take our medicine earlier belt Titan deal with some of the entitlement issues that are exploding the federal deficit year after year after year. And by the way, you know, a lot of people Trump has you know, been in favor of a week dollar. Why because it increases exports, because it makes those exports relatively cheaper. Than they would be under a strong dollar. And so JD's talking about this concept. You know, there's upsides to having a reserve currency. You can borrow, you can issue you know, debt, and people will buy it up, and that gives you flexibility. It gives you ability to sort of run these deficits. But is that a really good thing? Does it hollow out our industrial core? And what's ironic about this too, Alex, without getting into wonky and the economics of it all, is that the dollar has last ninety five percent of its value since we became the reserve currency. So you know, I think people intuitively say, oh, I want a strong dollar because it makes me feel like America strong or something. But actually, president after president has pursued a week dollar posture to encourage exports. We have this clip from President Trump here thirty four. If it's ready, we should be ready, yep, loaded thirty four. 01:12:05 Speaker 19: Why at the. 01:12:06 Speaker 13: Dollar falling so much and our good terms about that? Well, you know, I'm a. 01:12:12 Speaker 3: Person that likes a strong dollar, but a week dollar makes you a hell. 01:12:16 Speaker 2: Of a lot more money. 01:12:17 Speaker 4: Hey, to tell you, it's funny, he says that you might not understand why that is it's for example, China. It used to be the complaint forever that China intentionally kept their currencies value low because when they say week dollar lower value dollar, what that effectively means is anyone can buy stuff from America for cheaper. And so that's why China would keep it cheap. They wanted to be this huge exporter, so exporting everyone, and it actually made Chinese have a harder time buying stuff from abroad. But China said, we want that, we want stuff made in China sent abroad rather than the other way around, and we're seeing the consequences of that. 01:12:54 Speaker 9: Yeah, I just want to say, this is so consistent with JD's whole ethos, which is that he's not rooting for a Wall Street and people who get cheap stuff from China to be the winners they want. He wants the American factory workers, people manufacturing towns to be the winners. And you get to look at these things. If we're a country that makes things, then his argument makes a lot of sense. If we're just an economy and not a people and a homeland and a heritage, then his argument doesn't make sense. So a lot of people are actually showing their own ignorance if they're trying to just cherry pick attacks on a out of context clip from years ago on this and it says more about the people sharing it because he's got a lot of I think, really relevant things to say that are totally coherent here. 01:13:33 Speaker 2: I totally agree. And by the way, it's like, you know, I see a lot of these laisz fair guys, you know, get the government out of the way, and it's like, Okay, I get it. But there is a role for government. We learned this from Teddy Roosevelt, who did went trust busting. We learned this from immigration right businesses. Laizez fair guys would love mass immigration for cheap labor, but we rejected that there are limitations. There are incentives that a government could and should probably put in place to incentivize capitol flows in the right directions, long term investments in the country. I think that's what you know, JD is getting at here, and I think it's totally fair and valid questions to ask. All right, Alex top of Breitbart. Right now, it's got like almost a thousand comments, your your Breitbart audience is eating it up. Reddit banned Sophie Cunningham's name from WNBA forum as men and women's sports controversy rages. Now, I haven't gotten you on any of this WNBA stuff, so I mean, there's the starting point. It's like, can men play in women's sports? Sophie Cunningham says no, then she gets smacked in the face and she's trying to defend Caitlyn Clark. And then you got Roysha White and Enniscant Freedom declaring themselves eligible for the WNBA draft. You got coaches defending the Dijon a mayonnaise mustard gal that like smacks her, saying, hey, it was just a hard fat Like there is so much going on in the WNBA, it's very hard to keep track. I want your whole take. What is going on here, Alex Marlow. 01:15:04 Speaker 9: Yeah, and none of it has to do with people playing well in basketball, which is just very true and important, the important point that keeps making. I finally played a second of actual basketball on my show, which has become the number one w NBA podcast I think in the entire Internet. With Alex Marlow show I has covered every single day. By the way, I apologize for my lighting. The power went out, so I am holding one light up in the air so you guys can see me. 01:15:29 Speaker 5: But it's the magic of it. I can't get down to do the barreer back on. 01:15:33 Speaker 9: But look, I will tell you a couple important things I played. One second, it was Angel Reaves blowing a layup to win the game, which was just a list. 01:15:40 Speaker 5: I really enjoyed that. 01:15:41 Speaker 2: But you get one of the best players apparently in. 01:15:44 Speaker 9: The best player I think by far, like I think she's by player. 01:15:47 Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, I'm sorry. 01:15:48 Speaker 9: There's so many Majia something or other, but I confuse her with the djna's Like who named your kid after. 01:15:53 Speaker 5: Mixing mayonnaise and mustard? 01:15:55 Speaker 9: By the way, it just didn't we read Freakonomics like thirty years ago, and like, you're not supposed to name your kids, like it doesn't work. 01:16:01 Speaker 2: Not good for those job prospects unless you're going to the WNBA. 01:16:04 Speaker 4: It sounds like you agree with me, alex I. I took the bold step last week. I am pro WNBA, not because I like watching women's BASKETBA. 01:16:12 Speaker 3: In fact, I don't really like basketball at all. 01:16:14 Speaker 4: I think it's kind of the worst of our major sports. Long story, but I am very pro the WNBA deciding, wait, let's just lean into the pro wrestling angle. This is the league with constant drama. We have our coaches dumping on their own players. Forget beefing with rival players, their own players, we have the players. It's like a work of fiction where you can just have players blatantly. It's egregiously fouling people, and the refs are like, didn't see nothing. 01:16:41 Speaker 2: It's like something you see in a movie. 01:16:43 Speaker 4: You have like you have creepy race angles, you have the trans angle. I'm sure there's just going to be a political angle. There's endless angle upon angle. 01:16:52 Speaker 2: Today. Mcmon is running the WNBA right now, and we don't know. 01:16:57 Speaker 9: She's brilliant thing because I've been calling it reality TV because it does feel like. 01:17:02 Speaker 5: No one cares about what's real. 01:17:04 Speaker 9: Just you get invited to the garden party, and then it went fight to the garden party and pokes their fingers in each other's eyes and yells. 01:17:09 Speaker 5: About it and and that's what discussed. 01:17:11 Speaker 9: But this is better because you really do see there's the heeled character. You know, there's all the cap fight, and there's the unfair referees where you step on one player's neck it's not a foul, and then you know, you tap someone on the shoulder and then you get thrown out of the game, depending on the skin color of whoever's eeting foul. 01:17:25 Speaker 5: But I just want to say something really. 01:17:27 Speaker 9: Important because I got to call out you gentlemen for doing one of the most important interviews of the year with Rorysia White. I had forgotten that black translves matter, and now I'm reminded that black trans lives matter, and I not had that thought in a while, and you guys brought that back up to me, and thank you they. I had to check my privilege after that. 01:17:49 Speaker 2: Alex. We're just we're all getting better, you know, we're all evolving, and you know what, we learned something new every day and and when we when we are wrong, it's incumbent on us to make that right and to own it. And Reischa showed me the way. 01:18:07 Speaker 9: So one thing that I've been calling for and I was not as clever about marketing as Klay Travis has been, which is he for gifted in this thing. 01:18:15 Speaker 5: So I've been saying for. 01:18:16 Speaker 9: Over a year what we need to do is one school, maybe like a low level division, one school needs to step up and recruit all men for the girls basketball team, and then they're going to win one hundred and fifty to two every game. 01:18:28 Speaker 5: They're gonna go by one hundred points. 01:18:30 Speaker 9: Just go complete maximalist on this, see how much they could rack up the score. And then that'll end all this, All this will be over. The trans moment we've been obsessed with in this country will end that day that the men's team defeats the women in the championships after a thirty five and oh season one hundred and fifty to two. Once that happens, then we can move on from this. And it's not gonna happen. No one's going to do that. So maybe we need to get a coach trolling in there, get buying up a WNBA team putting only men on there. 01:18:59 Speaker 3: So maybe that's. 01:19:00 Speaker 4: I'm genuinely sad that the Olympics wised up about this. 01:19:04 Speaker 2: Before I was. 01:19:05 Speaker 4: I was kind of hoping we'd get one of those authoritarian regimes like North Korea just shows up with, Yeah, a team of twelve obvious dudes they've identified as women lives, their powerless to defend against it, and they absolutely dominate the Olympics. That would have helped, but we fell short. We didn't quite get that level of insanity in time. 01:19:23 Speaker 2: Well, but this, this story that's up on Breitbart right now is like legitimately wild. So the the WNBA subreddit has banned the name of Indiana fever guard Sophie Cunningham from its forum. So in the WNBA subreddit, you can no longer type out the word Sophie Cunningham or the name Sophie Cunningham. The forum's moderators will not allow users to use the word Cunningham, Sophie Scunningham, so, or every possible variation because they're preventing users from posting about the thirty year old player, even on her birthday al because apparently it's causing too much controversy and debate about transgender athletes in female sports. 01:20:06 Speaker 9: And it's remarkable she's the most important athlete in the country right now for reasons like this, because she she's getting all of the people just to out themselves as anti free speech and embarrass themselves. 01:20:18 Speaker 5: So I also do an update this story. 01:20:20 Speaker 9: They're gonna hear first on the show because you've been working on this is that apparently the moderates are backpedaling now, but they're not gonna let people post unless they have. 01:20:27 Speaker 5: Good standing in the community. 01:20:28 Speaker 9: So you just can't come over there and write about Sophie Cunningham because you're inspired by her. So they're just trying to control speech because Woke is on the run. They're doing terribly right now. They're not dead, but they're definitely doing terribly. 01:20:39 Speaker 2: This is the latest example I think everybody. So do they I'm curious do they sell male versions of the Indiana Fever jersey? I will buy a bunch of Cunningham jerseys. 01:20:51 Speaker 3: I literally, I gotta come on next week. We all got to wear the jerseys. 01:20:54 Speaker 2: I'm now gonna go look YouTube. Can I'm gonna look this up. If I can buy an Indiana Sophie Cunningham jersey, I'm doing it. I'm not gonna wear the female version though I need. 01:21:04 Speaker 4: I need a dude'es are sosketball jersey's even really that different by sex? 01:21:08 Speaker 13: I don't know. 01:21:10 Speaker 2: These are questions beyond my knowledge. Alex Marlow, editor in chief of Breitbart, host The Alex Marlow Show. Thank you, my friend, Good to see you. 01:21:17 Speaker 5: Thanks guys. 01:21:22 Speaker 2: For more on many of these stories and news you can trust. Go to Charliekirk dot com.