Speeches From the Archive- Charlie's 2017 Speech at GCU

00:00:03 Speaker 1: My name is Charlie Kirk. 00:00:05 Speaker 2: I run the largest pro American student organization in the country, fighting for the future of our republic. 00:00:11 Speaker 1: My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth. 00:00:14 Speaker 2: If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're gonna end up miserable. But if the most important thing is doing good, you'll end up purposeful. College is a scam, everybody. You got to stop sending your kids to college. You should get married as young as possible and have as many kids as possible. Go start at turning point, you would say, college chapter. Go start aturning point, you say high school chapter. Go find out how your church can get involved. Sign up and become an activist. I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade, most important decision I ever made in my life, and I encourage you to do the same. 00:00:45 Speaker 1: Here I am Lord. Use me. 00:00:48 Speaker 2: Buckle up, everybody, Here we go. The Charlie Kirk Show is proudly sponsored by Preserved Gold, leading gold and silver experts and the only precious metals company I recommend to my family, friends and viewers. 00:01:09 Speaker 1: So it's a pleasure to be here tonight. 00:01:12 Speaker 3: You know it's it's I just was here a couple of weeks ago with Andrew and our field team here in Arizona, and we were talking about, you know, the group here at a Grand Canyon and as it was growing, and we wanted to definitely do an events here because I was in town for a debate tomorrow at ASU. But we said, well, Grand Canyon University is a Christian university, and you know, Turning Point USA as a as a growing you know, student movement fighting for free markets and capitalism. And I hear all the time these horrible misconceptions that in order to be a Christian you must be a socialist and in order to this horrible thing. And so I said, why don't I give a speech and kind of articulate the Christian case for capitalism. 00:01:55 Speaker 1: And I talked about it here and there. 00:01:56 Speaker 3: I've talked about it some of our summits and some of our conferences, and it's something I think we need to talk more about because it's theologically and biblically sound and we shouldn't have to stray away from us conservative capitalists. It's completely compatible with a Christian worldview. 00:02:14 Speaker 1: So I look forward to. 00:02:16 Speaker 3: Talking about it and talking about from my personal perspective, obviously Turning Point USA. We are not a religious organization, but we have a lot of Christians in our organization. So everything I say here is Charlie Kirk talking not necessarily Turning Point USA, but the parts about the free market definitely are what we believe at Turning Point. So first and foremost, just a little bit by background, I started this organization when I was eighteen years old, five and a half years ago. It's been quite a journey. We're now on twelve hundred college and high school campuses across the country hosting amazing events. Hope to see you all at the Student Action Summit coming up in a couple of weeks. I was born and raised in a Christian household, but really in recent years became more and more engaged with the faith and the walk. And so let's define first two terms just so everyone is clear in case there's any misunderstanding. So first, what does it mean? What do I mean a Christian case for capitalism? Christianity, so Christian and most terms is the belief that first and foremost, there is a God, and God had a lot of involvement throughout the Old Testament and then sent his son Jesus Christ to save the world, and through his perfect life and perfect sacrifice, he atoned the sins of humanity, and through his acceptance as the savior of the world, we will then have eternal life God in three parts, through God the Father, God the Son, and then God the Holy Spirit. 00:03:45 Speaker 1: We know this through the book that God wrote. God wrote a. 00:03:48 Speaker 3: Book, of course, the perfect, non contradictory, irrefutable book that we know as the Holy Bible, with over twenty seven different authors wrote over four ths years, which comprise everything from the ancient Jewish text to the Four Gospels, to the Letters of Paul and finally, of course the Minor and Major Profits. So we know this through the Bible, which of course is incredibly important. In Christianity. There's a lots of different types of Christianity. We know it of course through Episcopal, Presbyterian, Protestant Catholicism. But the kind of the belief that what is the center point of Christianity, of course, there would be no Christianity about what Jesus Christ. So I'm going to focus a lot of my talk there. So that is what we're going to talk about with Christianity. Then capitalism, What is capitalism mean A lot of misconceptions around them. We at Turning Point USA to find capitalism as the ability or the freedom to be able to sell what you want to sell, buy what you want to buy without restrictive or coercive government intervention in your life. Essentially economic freedom, being able to take a risk as you see fit as long as you're not harming someone else. Capitalism can be broken into really the three p's as we call it, prices, profit, and private property. Okay, so the price system matters. Government should not get in the business of setting prices arbitrarily. Profit matters in order for things to get better, Businesses have to turn a profit. In order for Dominoes to be able to deliver pizza here in a timely fashion, they have to be able to make money on the pizza they're selling you. They might have sold it for nine dollars, but they're all in costs might have been three twenty five. Therefore, they're able to make a profit, deliver value back to their owners, their employees, their shareholders that they can continue to grow their their company and create more value for everyone engaged in their company. And finally, private property the capacity for individuals to be able to own stuff. You know, that's probably the easiest way that I can articulate it, whether it be houses or cars, or clothes, or even shares of companies. The ability and capacity to really own things and be able to arbitrate your differences in an impartial court is something that we capitalists hold near and dear. This is contrasted directly with people that believe in a more collectivist socialist system, where the government has the capacity or the ability to take away goods or services or private property at a moment's notice. Look no further than Venezuela when in the late nineteen nineties the government decided just to take away all the private property. 00:06:11 Speaker 1: Of oil and gas. They took over all the oil. 00:06:13 Speaker 3: Industry, Government subsidized it and nationalized it. Nationalized means government ownership of property. The private industry went away. Government then ran it very poorly, and as you've seen in recent years, that is not working very well in Venezuela. So what is then the Christian case for capitalism, Now that we have defined our terms well, first and foremost, talking from a very pragmatic standpoint, when capitalism free markets, economic freedom, whatever term you want to use, when you allow economic freedom. 00:06:44 Speaker 1: To be enacted. 00:06:45 Speaker 3: You have seen the greatest poverty elimination in human history. You have seen more poor people become rich, more standard a living increases more human rights advances than any other system of governance known to man. Capitalism advocate for individuals to be able to pursue their own self interest as they see fit, which I think then comes down to two fundamental questions that I always argue with people on the left or socialists, and this actually is a question that if you are a Christian, we have answers to two fundamental questions. 00:07:16 Speaker 1: Number one, are people good? Yes or no? And are people perfectible? Yes or no? 00:07:22 Speaker 3: Those are the two questions that we must become. We have to have answers to. Number one, are people good? If you're a Christian and you've read this book a little bit, you know that no, people are not good. 00:07:33 Speaker 1: We are broken by nature. 00:07:35 Speaker 3: We are infested with sin, and that God is holy and perfect, and we are anything but that. Sin is the distance from God. It is the separation from that which is perfect, and we are in anything but that. Therefore, we should not look to government or a state or a central agency to try to perfect are imperfection. So that's number one. Number two, are people perfectable? 00:08:00 Speaker 1: People good? 00:08:00 Speaker 3: And then our people perfectable? I say absolutely not. And the Bible shows that as well. No matter how much central planning, government programs, or experts get in a room together, you cannot perfect human nature. People are inherently selfish, people are inherently fallen. Look no different than why we have to teach goodness to young children. You have how many times you have to tell a three or four year old say thank you? Say thank you? If people were good, wouldn't generosity be an inherent human virtue or value? We have to treat goodness. Look no different. Look no further than the ten commandments that lay out morality at the most basis point. 00:08:34 Speaker 1: Do not covet, do. 00:08:36 Speaker 3: Not steal, do not cheat, do not lie, do not commit adult three. Human nature goes against every single one of those ten ten and says we know it. So then we must ask ourselves the next natural question. If we believe people are not inherently good, and we believe people are not perfectible, then what economic system uses the worst aspects of humanity for the greatest good for everyone else and also for the individual. And the answer to that is cap because if you are a bad person in capitalism and you want to get really rich or you want to make a lot of money, you have to create value for someone else. For example, the founder of Dominoes might be a horrible person, but in order for him to be super rich and for him in order for him to do something worthwhile for his own benefit, greedy, self interested, so on and so forth, he has to create something of value that someone else has to buy. 00:09:24 Speaker 1: For example, Steve Jobs. 00:09:25 Speaker 3: Might have been the worst person in the world, but in order for him to have gotten very wealthy or very successful, he had to create something that almost everyone in the sort of my guarantee has interacted with once or twice. Mark Zuckerberg is another great example. Mark Zuckerberg might be the worst person in the world, but he has personally made eighty one billion dollars by giving a product and service away for free. So, if I had to boil it down to two words, when you think of capitalism, I think of freedom. When I think of socialism, I think of force. Capitalism is about the ability to make the decisions as you see fit, free of government intrusion, which it comes to a very important point in a capitalist free market system. 00:10:04 Speaker 1: You can live freely as a socialist if. 00:10:06 Speaker 3: You want to look no further than the Christian Amish in Pennsylvania. They live as socialists peacefully and they live however they see fit. I'm not getting in their way on no one else's because in a free market, capitalist system, you have the freedom to be able to pursue the life that you see fit. Now in a socialist system, can you live freely as a capitalist? 00:10:26 Speaker 1: Absolutely not. 00:10:27 Speaker 3: They're going to hold a gun to your head saying you have to give eighty percent of your income to government because it's going to benefit the most amount of people. 00:10:35 Speaker 1: So socialism is about force. 00:10:39 Speaker 4: We're honored to be partnering with Alan Jackson Ministries and today I want to point you to their podcast. It's called Culture in Christianity, The Alan Jackson Podcast. What makes it unique is Pastor Allen's biblical perspective. He takes the truth from the Bible and applies it to issues we're facing today, gender confusion, abortion, immigration, Doge Trump, and the White House issues in the church. He doesn't just discuss the problems in every episode, he gives practical things we can do to make a difference. His guests have incredible expertise and powerful testimonies. They've been great friends and now you can hear from Charlie in his own words. 00:11:12 Speaker 2: Each episode will make you recognize the power of your faith and how God can use your life to impact our world today. The Culture in Christianity podcast is informative and encouraging. You could find it on YouTube, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. Be sure to subscribe so you don't miss any episodes. Alan Jackson Ministries is working hard to bring biblical truth back into our culture. You can find out more about Pastor Allen and the ministry at Alan Jackson dot com, forward slash Charlie. So, the Bible, especially through Jesus's teaching, I would say, teaches us to be five things, and this is the Christian case for capitalism, altruistic, generous, productive, cheerful, and loving, which we agree that we as Christians are. 00:11:52 Speaker 3: Called to those five things. That is, by no means an exhaustive list. We can name all the fruits of the spirit, we can name all the so we could be here all day, all right. So I picked those five for a particular reason because I believe all five of those have strong evidence that capitals and reinforces altruistic, generous, productive, cheerful, loving, altruistic. Well, as we see in the Bible, Jesus says, many times give unto others more than unto yourself. 00:12:18 Speaker 1: Jesus also talks. 00:12:19 Speaker 3: About many times throughout the Gospels not to be, not to be proclamation. Essentially, when you give, if you are going to be generous, you are going to be altruistic, do so in private, and do so. 00:12:29 Speaker 1: In secret generous. 00:12:31 Speaker 3: Luke six point thirty four talks about the generous spirit. Of course, we have Second Corinthians three seventeen, which is my favorite verse in the entire Bible, which says what God loves a cheerful giver says all throughout the New Testament, the capacity and the ability to be generous. And in fact, we are instructed to be generous. We're instructed to give away are fruits of our labor. Now, in order to give away fruits your labor, you have to have fruits your labor. You have to make something to give something away. We know through basic economics and basic human history, if you're going to try to give a bunch of stuff a way, you have to have that stuff which to give in a socialist system, as Magnufatcher famously said, the promise socialism is you eventually run out of other people's money. You deter the entire incentive structure. So you can want to be the most generous person in the world, but eventually you're going to run out of assets to give away. Again, look at Venezuela. I don't think they have very good intentions, but they might be as generous as they want to be. 00:13:21 Speaker 1: Eventually you're going to run. 00:13:23 Speaker 3: Out of stuff that which to give, which again goes to the third thing which Christ calls us to do, which is to be productive. Jesus Christ talked for Christians to be highly productive people. Now this might be teaching you don't always get all the time in a traditional Bible class, but look no different than the parable of the talents, one of the most I think economically trans not transferable economically what's the word I'm looking for? Relevant parable that Jesus taught us, So the parable the talents for those that do not know. Essentially, there were a couple servants under an owner, and the owner gave each one of the servants a talent which could be equivalent of a currency. He gave one one talent, another one to two, and another one three. And essentially the person that had one hit it did nothing with that talent, hit it under a rock, and essentially the owner said, come back to me in a certain period of time and tell me what you've done with your money. The second person invested it a little bit, made a little bit of multiplication productivity upon that which was given, and the final person made it a huge abundancy. Essentially, was very productive and multiplied the gift at which he was given. Essentially, they come back to the owner and that all of them were seeking praise, and the guy that hid the talent thought he was going to get, you know, a lot of kudos from the owner because he was he guarded it. And the owner essentially said, how dare you any more than that? It was really condemnation. You know, you did not multiply. You did nothing with that which was given. And the person that multiplied a lot. It's that famous saying that a lot of us say, even in the secular world. You hear it that, which is, those who are given a lot are expected to do a lot. Essentially, those who are given are expected to produce to those who've been given very much as expected. And you see in the parable the talents that Jesus Christ tells us that you have to do something in your life that sitting around and just you know, doing nothing. And of course that parable has a lot of different applications as an application to the advancement of the kingdom trying to convert as many people as you can to Christianity, but also has economic implications. Being productive, being entrepreneurial, and being relevant to in an economic system has a lot of different applications as well. 00:15:42 Speaker 1: Also, finally, cheerful and loving. 00:15:44 Speaker 3: God loves a cheerful giver, as we see in Second Corinthians, as Paul wrote Second Corinthians three seventeen, and also loving. Jesus Christ talked about the need to be loving. But why do I mention those five things in particular? And I'll get to one other example, Because in a capitalist system, the most economically free countries in the world are the most generous, They look out to their fellow neighbor the most, They are the most productive, and they look and they have the highest engagement of church going rates, so on and so forth. So for example, America last year voluntarily gave away four hundred billion dollars to charity. Think about how much money that is, four hundred billion dollars away voluntarily to charity. If you go to Europe, they don't even understand the concept of private charity. Government just takes care of everything. There's government programs for this, government services for that. Private charity is a very very difficult concept for Europeans to wrap their heads around. There's a reason why there is declining church attendance in France and in Germany and Spain or Portugal. There's a reason why the church is not doing very well throughout most of Europe. And the reason is that as a society grows government, it becomes more secular. So, from a purely pragmatic standpoint, as you see government get bigger, you see the church, you see Christianity, if you will become less and less important. Now this comes to a very important point which I hear a lot, and we're going to kind of debunk this is was Jesus a socialist? Anyone heard this before? Anyone heard this once or twice. We're gonna have a fun conversation with this. But before I do, I want to talk about a couple proverbs which I think are very relevant. So not only did Jesus talk about being very productive, but there is another parable which actually does not get talked about very much, which talks about the price system. You might say, what are you talking about the price system? Well, there's a parable, the parable the vineyard workers. Anyone know this parable once you maybe heard about it. Essentially, it could be applied to a lot of different things, mind you. The more widely accepted application is the acceptance into the Kingdom of Heaven. But another application of the parable the vineyard essentially is there was a guy that owned a vineyard and he hired a bunch of workers for one denari, whatever the proper currency was, and they work, they work, they worked. He realized there was a lot of work left to be done, and so what do we know that when you need a lot of work to get done in a condensed period of time, you're willing to pay more to get it done quickly. So we hired more workers for half a day's work for the same currency that he hired someone earlier. 00:18:10 Speaker 1: In the day. And then the guy that's been working all day. So this is not fair. 00:18:14 Speaker 3: I mean I've been working all day and now I'm earning the same as the guy that's. 00:18:16 Speaker 1: Coming in at the end. 00:18:18 Speaker 3: And then the owner finally says, who are you to question, I'm giving you exactly what I'm telling I'm going to give you. In economics, we call that, as you know, not necessarily price gouging. We call that, as you know, paying for what you need when you need it. So if I need to get a building done quickly, and I hire a bunch of carpenters, and I need to hire more carpenters and they have been working out it the whole time, I'm willing to pay more to get it done very quickly. So anyway you could use that, You could use that parable to reinforce the price system. So finally, Proverbs twelve eleven, I love this proverb. Those who work there, those who work their land, will have abundant food, but those who chase fantasies have no sense. 00:18:55 Speaker 1: I love that. And then finally Proverbs twelve twenty. 00:18:57 Speaker 3: Four diligent hands will rule, but laziness ends enforced labor. I can't help but think about how Europe takes the whole month of August when I read that, Right, these socialist countries, they don't like to work. Work is somehow a diminished thing. It's something that they try to get away from. Yet we see throughout the entire Bible that work is actually an important component being productive, giving back in your personal capacity. Now, finally, was Jesus a socialist? This is something that I think is widely misrepresented, and I hear this a lot. In fact, I heard Bernie Sanders, of all people like the atheist talk about how, you know, all Christians and you know, should be should be should be democratic socialists because Jesus would have been a socialist. And then I saw another meme by occupied Democrats, and they are a bunch of dishonest people. Unbelievable, so dishonest. They were clear, said Bernie Sanders. He's a carpenter, he's Jewish. You know, he's starting a movement. He's similar to Jesus. I said, no, if anything's blasphemy, that is, they give me a break. I mean, that is just unbelievable. So wow, I mean, comparing Bernie Sanders to the Savior of the world. 00:20:02 Speaker 1: Wow. So, first and. 00:20:03 Speaker 3: Foremost, mind you, I'm going to be very very precise and careful here. First and foremost, in my perspective, and I would guess the most people in this room. Jesus Christ was a savior of the world. He was not really distracted with petty partisan politics. Okay, if Jesus Christ was. And you can scour the four Gospels, and you can scour the Letters of Paul, you can scour acts. Not once did Jesus call for a particular political philosophy to be implemented. Now, mind you, I want you to put yourselves into the foots of Jesus of Nazareth. You have twelve disciples, you are doing healings, you are converting water to wine, you're feeding the five thousand. How easy would it have been to have started political movement? 00:20:44 Speaker 1: Now? 00:20:44 Speaker 3: Mind you, every other secular and a I would say questionably religious leader of the last four thousand years used politics as a vehicle to ascertain power or religious relevance. Mohammad took over territories and cut people's heads off. Okay, Muhammed Gandhi, great guy, was through politics trying to come about change. Martin Luther King, so on and so forth. Jesus Christ stands alone in history as someone who had disdain for politics, in fact rebelled against it, and arguably had more historic impact than anyone else in the last four thousand years. That's what, first and foremost makes him so unique when it talks about politics. Now, we could talk about some of his teachings here, but first and foremost, Jesus Christ was so focused on the individual. He was anything but talking about what would be best as a collective for governmental policy. Now, you could argue there will be a lot of different reasons for this, but Jesus was about the savior of you, the save salvation of you, and you and you, And he then taught us a way to live. And then of course did not contradict the law of the prophets, but rather fulfilled their prophecy. 00:21:59 Speaker 1: And he did not. 00:22:01 Speaker 3: Talk about what we should do, but he said what you should do and should He focused on the individual. Now, socialism is anything but that. Socialism is force. Socialism is not the seeking a better life. Socialism is involuntarily involuntary central planning and government ownership of property. You can't opt out of socialism. Socialist groups cannot tolerate groups that love freedom, which is anything but what Jesus talked about. Jesus was a lover of just that of freedom. 00:22:31 Speaker 2: Now, he would be more I think inclined to be sympathetic to a system that allowed individual persuasion of a certain viewpoint or perspective or set of principles or ideas than that. 00:22:45 Speaker 3: Which was authoritatively pushed down someone's throat. Now, the more I would say logical arguments for why Jesus was a socialist was people say, well, he cared for the poor, he wanted to abolish human suffering, and he really wanted to help people, all of which I totally completely agree with. But he talked about people helping people, not government programs helping people. 00:23:11 Speaker 1: Right. 00:23:11 Speaker 3: He talked about the individual getting on the road to Samaritan, you know, the Good Samaritan, that I'm going to help that person, even though I'm not supposed to write in the story of the Good Samaritan. Jesus did not say, write a letter to Caesar and demand stronger social planning. Jesus did not advocate for single payer health care. Instead, he said, when you see someone in need, do everything you can to help that person. Now we go back to what capitalism believes. Isn't that more sympathetic to a viewpoint or an economic model that empowers as many people as possible to make individual's decisions as they see fit, not one that we have seen pragmatically that like in Europe, that diminishes generosity, that diminishes individual engagement in the community, and instead looks to the state for answers. 00:24:03 Speaker 4: We're honored to be partnering with Alan Jackson Ministries and today I want to point you to their podcast. It's called Culture in Christianity, The Alan Jackson Podcast. What makes it unique is Pastor Allan's biblical perspective. He takes the truth from the Bible and applies it to issues we're facing today, gender confusion, abortion, immigration, Doge Trump, and the White House issues in the church. He doesn't just discuss the problems in every episode, he gives practical things we can do to make a difference. His guests have incredible expertise and powerful testimonies. They've been great friends and now you can hear from Charlie and his own words. 00:24:37 Speaker 2: Each episode will make you recognize the power of your faith and how God can use your life to impact our world today. The Culture in Christianity podcast is informative and encouraging. You could find it on YouTube, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. Be sure to subscribe so you don't miss any episodes. Alan Jackson Ministries is working hard to bring biblical truth back into our culture. You can find out more about Pastor Allan and the ministry at Alan Jackson dot com. Forward slash Charlie Forceful redistribution of wealth by government. Jesus never called for wealth and equality, and actually we actually have an example of this in Luke twelve thirteen, when someone approaches Jesus and he says, he asks Jesus to sort out his inheritance, and he says, my father just died and my brother is getting all the inheritance. Isn't it fair to divide it up equally? Now, Jesus, being God and being the son of God, could have easily said absolutely. He could have waved his hand and said, I command you, you must split it equally, and said what he said, who am I to judge who gets what and how you get it? He wasn't worried about material wealth. He was, in fact worried about the love of wealth. 00:25:45 Speaker 3: We'll get to that in a second, which is very very important. But he was not worried about the distribution of that wealth. In fact, he kind of rejected it. He shrugged his shoulders. The famous quote that people uses, Well, Jesus was very sympathetic to governing bodies. Know that the evidence they'll uses render unto Caesar's what is Caesar's correct? He kind of shrugged his shoulders and said, pay your taxes, do what you're supposed to do. He did not say, start a political revolution based on my teaching and then forcibly make people believe what they should believe. Instead, he called for we individuals, as Christ followers that are born anew through the Holy Spirit and through His perfect sacrifice, to then use that teaching and instruction to individually. Essentially, I think Jesus and the teaching that we have in the Bible is directly contradictory to that teaching where well, government must do it, because if you say that, essentially you're saying it's not my problem, someone else must take care of it. We're taught the exact opposite through Jesus's teaching and Jesus' life. 00:26:48 Speaker 1: So was Jesus socialist? 00:26:49 Speaker 2: Well, you also look at other examples, the parable the towns talked about the workers in the vineyard. 00:26:56 Speaker 3: We also talk about the Golden rule. What is the golden rule? Anyone? 00:26:59 Speaker 1: What is the gold rule? We all know it? 00:27:00 Speaker 3: Do any of this right? Do unto others as you would like to have done unto yourself. 00:27:04 Speaker 1: Right. 00:27:05 Speaker 3: Well, I would make actually a very strong argument that capitalism reinforces the need for a golden rule. And you might say, how on earth is that possible? 00:27:13 Speaker 1: Well, what is trade? 00:27:15 Speaker 3: Well, if I want to trade value for value, if I want to make myself and my life better, I'm not going to sell a good or a product or service that I'm not going to buy myself. And because of competition, and because of people competing in a marketplace and actually trading goods and services and trading goods and services, you're going to have better goods and services and people treating each other better. And that is why you see throughout the time of human history, goods and services get better. It's why you see, you know, in free market things get faster, better and cheaper quite quickly. And only in the golden rule. Treat others as you would like to be treated. How do you get rich in a socialist country? You lie, you cheat, you steal, and you run for public office. Right, that's doing unto others? How you don't want to do it under yourself. You amass as much political power as you possibly can. Now, you might say, Charlie, but getting rich is something that Jesus directly talked about against. 00:28:10 Speaker 1: Correct. 00:28:10 Speaker 2: He did have some very strong teaching about the love of wealth. Now, if you reconcile that with Jesus saying that we must be productive and doing all that we can with what we're called for, I do believe that in the capitalist system there are people that have amassed incredible amounts of wealth that have then given ninety five ninety seven percent all of it away to charity. 00:28:28 Speaker 1: They did not love that wealth. 00:28:30 Speaker 3: They might have enjoyed building a business and helping other people and employing a lot of people. And you talk to those individuals the worst parts of their career, probably laying people off and firing them and going through lawsuits, all of which are horrible obstacles and barriers to creating a successful business. But those people did not love wealth. There's people with almost no money that love wealth. Think about that. And there's some people with a lot of money that's the least important thing in their life. So, but Jesus talked about the love of wealth it's harder for a rich person to get into heaven than what a camel through the eye of a needle. 00:29:04 Speaker 1: Essentially, right, is that the threat? Yeah, okay, you look at. 00:29:07 Speaker 3: The original Greek and Armamaic. Rich essentially means that of which who loves money, not that which who has money. 00:29:14 Speaker 1: If I remember. 00:29:14 Speaker 3: Correctly, it's Jesus Christ who spread the Gospel with tax collectors and people that had a lot of money and saying you can do more than just amassing wealth. In fact, one of the Gospels was written by a tax collector, Matthew Levi. If Jesus had that much disdain for that which people had wealth, why on earth would he associate with them or offer salvation? That which being said, in a free market system, you have the absolute freedom to have as much or as little wealth as you want. If you believe you could do a lot of good with employing twenty thousand people and giving away billions of dollars, look no further than this university that is doing so much good for the advancement of the Kingdom of Jesus Christ. But a lot of this was contributed by millionaires in billionaires that were very successful in the free enterprise system that voluntarily gave back and now have helped thousands of people better understand Jesus Christ. That's only possible in a free market system, isn't it, Because in order to get what in order to give away, you must create. The other arguments I hear of why Jesus is a socialist, I. 00:30:18 Speaker 1: Think fall flat on their face. 00:30:21 Speaker 2: The you know you see in one Timothy six y ten the love of money is the root of all the evil. The keyword is love of money when. 00:30:29 Speaker 3: Paul wrote that letter, it's very important to realize that it's not actually having money. Money is nothing more than what it is, a representation of value. It is what you do with that money. Money has no morality. As socialists, I would disagree with socialists. Money doesn't have a conscience. Money doesn't have morality. Money doesn't have a decision. It's what you do with it. It's a utility. So for example, someone that might be an atheist that is worth eight billion dollars, that has hated Jesus Christ his whole life and hated God God in a moment's notice can turn that eight billion dollars that he might have done horrible things to get. 00:31:05 Speaker 1: Into good instantaneously. 00:31:07 Speaker 3: That money is completely transactional, it knows no morality, it holds it's an asset value. 00:31:12 Speaker 2: It's an asset holder that you can immediately and instantaneous. 00:31:15 Speaker 3: So what am I saying is that there will always be good and evil in the world. And we know this right, we know this as Christians, and God talks about it and throughout the Old Testament and New Testament of how we reconcile on how we deal with these great horrors. Which economic system is that with which can you do the most amount of good with the worst parts of human nature? 00:31:35 Speaker 2: And that is no, look no further than free market capitalism. So a little bit more about myself than I'd love to open it up for some questions. As I'm a strong committed evangelical Christian. I believe God wrote a perfect book through the perfect delivery of his son Jesus Christ. You look at the fulfillment of the prophecies, the authenticity of the Gospels, the perfection of the scriptures. You can go through a system of questions, do you believe there's a God? 00:32:02 Speaker 1: Yes or no? That's the first question. 00:32:04 Speaker 3: Then when has God revealed himself throughout human history? Pretty good evidence of that here. And then finally, who, if not, when has have those prophecies been fulfilled? And what evidence do we have for that? If you were to look at a chart of what scriptures in human history have been the most have been the most copied, and have been the most authenticated, you look at Homer's Odyssey for example, anyone you know Homer's Odyssey? Do we spend time in classrooms debating whether or not Homer's Odyssey was really his words and not his words? 00:32:39 Speaker 1: Of course not. 00:32:40 Speaker 3: There is over six hundred thousand times more scriptures and copies of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. You could stack it all the way up the top of the ceiling, the scriptures versus the Odyssey of Homer. Point being is that there's a ton of evidence to show that as early as a d. 00:32:59 Speaker 1: Sixty, which is. 00:33:00 Speaker 3: When the first Gospel was written, of course, the Gospel, the Gospel of Mark, and then Matthew in the eighties, and then Luke in the nineties, and then. 00:33:06 Speaker 1: John came a little bit after that. 00:33:08 Speaker 3: These were these accounts of eyewitness testimony, of the accounts of Jesus. So people say, Charlie, why are you a Christian, Why do you actually believe this? This is a bunch of fairy tales, right, this really doesn't in it. 00:33:19 Speaker 1: And I say all the time. 00:33:20 Speaker 3: Actually, I'm an objective Christian, which means I've gone through highly analytical thinking and historical searching. By no means a theological expert. There's a lot of smarter people than that. But people ask me all the time, why do you believe what you believe? So I'm gonna entertain me for five minutes. I'll tell you what. So I believe there's a God? And when did God reveal himself throughout human history? And what evidence do we have for that? And that, of course is in the Bible. We see the law of the prophets. 00:33:43 Speaker 1: We see God. 00:33:44 Speaker 3: Revealing himself through Genesis, Sextistalybiticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, judges for second things, all the way through the Old Testament, through the major minor prophets. But then finally you see a fulfillment of that prophecy throughout Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. And you see eyewitness account throughout the Letter of Paul, and you see the eyewitness account throughout Acts. 00:34:04 Speaker 1: So you have to ask. 00:34:05 Speaker 3: Yourself a series of questions those of you that might not be a Christian, of those of you that might be on the fence, first and foremost, who in a two thousand years ago, who in that world would have voluntarily died unless they actually would have believed this stuff. Every single follower of Jesus Christ died at the stake to their very death, saying that Jesus Christ was everything that he said he was. He did the miracles that he said. Some were crucified on the cross, some were crucified upside down, some were in the most horrific deaths you could possibly imagine. And there's account after account after account Paul tells us, and it's reinforced throughout the Gospel of John that there were over five hundred eyewitnesses that saw Jesus Christ after his death. There's a great book called The Case for Christ. If you haven't read it, please do. There's a good movie as well. The whole center of this whole book, if you want to debunk this whole thing is if you can debunk the resurrection of Jesus Christ, that's the whole thing. Did Jesus rise from the dead, Yes or no? And that's the whole question. So if you were trying to create a great fiction about Jesus Christ, would you have your first eyewitnesses be women? 00:35:04 Speaker 1: Oh? What are you kidding me? 00:35:06 Speaker 3: You'd be crazy to do that, right and old and two thousand years ago, you would have women be your best expert witness testimony. No, you would have some well to do rich guy that would come up and you know, be very very credible. 00:35:20 Speaker 1: No, but they had women. 00:35:21 Speaker 3: Now why would No one would make that stuff up. That's why, because it's impossible to conjure that. Secondly, you look at people that even saw Jesus after he was risen from the dead and touched him and saw him, some of them still couldn't believe what their eyes were showing them until they were actually able to feel the scars on his hands. And then, of course is our friend doubting Thomas, who did not believe it until he actually felt it and saw it. And finally, from a very logical perspective, we have four independently written books Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John all within eighty years fifty years if you count the beginning of the writing of the Gospels of the Life of Jesus Christ. That from different perspectives reinforce the same story without any contradictions plus or minus very minor theological inconsistencies. If any of you want to challenge me on that, there's notes I have just in case. 00:36:12 Speaker 1: But the point being. 00:36:13 Speaker 3: The point being is that if I was an FBI investigator and I had four different eyewitnesses all saying similar but not different things, that's a pretty clear and convincing. 00:36:24 Speaker 1: Case to hold up. 00:36:27 Speaker 3: To hold up the original thesis which Jesus Christ died and then rose again. 00:36:33 Speaker 1: The final thing is Paul. 00:36:34 Speaker 3: I think Paul is one of the greatest arguments for Christianity. Paul was a well to do Jewish Roman. He went around persecuting Christians, He went around persecuting the followers of Jesus Christ. What advantage of this guy have to drop everything on the road to Amaeus and say, actually, this guy was right all along. I'm going to drop all my wealth, all my political connections. I'm going to make a bunch of enemies go to prison eight or nine times, get crucified upside down, write about it. My whole family gets disbarred, everyone I know, some of them get killed. What advantage on earth would that guy have to it unless he really believed this stuff, and why would he actually believe it? 00:37:16 Speaker 1: Well, I believe because it's true. 00:37:17 Speaker 3: It's true, and he then of course wrote the original Letters which formed the Early Church. If you look at why Christianity continues to be under attack, Jesus Christ talks about persecution. It's talked about many times in the scriptures. But if you look at the Bible, no other book has had so much impact in such a short period of time, despite the enemies trying to destroy it, despite people trying to inauthenticate it, and the more excavation and the more archaeological evidence that we find, the more evidence we find for the Bible. 00:37:47 Speaker 1: There's only been two percent two percent. 00:37:50 Speaker 3: Of all archaeological sites in the Middle East have been fully escavated. We have ninety eight percent left to go as we search for more, as we search for more, just more and more. 00:37:58 Speaker 1: Of this evidence is going to continue to be up. 00:38:00 Speaker 3: Up until the nineteen thirties, people said, oh, a lot of there's a lot of inconsistencies. And then, of course in the nineteen forties we found the Dead Sea Scrolls, which then showed even more reinforce of the Biblical authenticity of what we as Christians hold to be true. So, as someone who I consider to be a fact based, logical thinker, it's not blind faith to follow Christianity. It's not We're not just walking blindly into this. We appreciate history, we appreciate human behavior, we have logical reasons for why individuals make certain decisions. And you look at it all composed together, you say, God wrote a book, God sent a son to save us all from our sins, and that is why I'm a Christian and those of us that are Christians are as well. 00:38:47 Speaker 1: For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to Charliekirk dot com