Pick Up The Mic: Blake and Jack at Arizona State University

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So I wanted to say thank. 00:01:39 Speaker 3: You to everybody. I know a lot of people here helped to put that on. I'm sure a lot of you guys were at that. Most of you were probably there right at that, So just thank you for doing that. That was really that was a really special night, and I remember it was an emotional night. 00:01:52 Speaker 2: I think it was a very very emotional. 00:01:53 Speaker 3: Night for for all of us. I'm sure, just just being there and and being together because you. 00:02:00 Speaker 2: Don't really know what else what else we can do in that. But but Blake Neff is here. What's going on? Blake? 00:02:06 Speaker 4: Uh? 00:02:07 Speaker 5: Oh man, I don't even know where to start. I haven't been on the side of the table. 00:02:11 Speaker 3: So this is Blake's first ever like turning point speaking to a chapter event of all. 00:02:21 Speaker 5: So you have it up for Blake, net You guys are very lucky or very unlucky, and you can take your pick by the end of the night. 00:02:29 Speaker 2: Oh, thank you so much, thank you, but so so. 00:02:31 Speaker 3: Blake's background, so you guys don't know, is that he was a writer on The Tucker Carlston Show for Fox News, and after that he came over to The Charlie Kirk Show where three years, three years, worked there for three years and not only as as a writer, as a researcher, but also and this this is gonna be and he's gonna talk about it in a second, also is one of the guys that would help Charlie come up with his arguments, that would help Charlie do the research or do the planning, do the you know, the back and forth, you know, sort of like play out the debates a little bit. 00:03:07 Speaker 2: And so when you know, when Utah happened last. 00:03:12 Speaker 3: Year, that was the first day of that tours. As a lot of people, you know, may may not realize though, that there was this when Charlie was going into Tormo. 00:03:23 Speaker 2: Well you can talk about this a little bit. When Charlie was. 00:03:25 Speaker 5: Going into that over like was that training like the you know, I think I'll start off with this, which is one of the most common questions we'd get at these events. 00:03:36 Speaker 2: And on the show as people. 00:03:38 Speaker 5: Young people would say, Charlie, how can I do what you do? And I remember a conversation I had with one of our team members, with Brian, and he said, these people don't know what they're asking because they do not want to do what Charlie does. And I can confirm that, like I saw Charlie doing the grind in. 00:03:56 Speaker 2: And out every single day. 00:03:58 Speaker 5: And I'll tell you the last conversation I had with Charlie were preparing for an event just like this, one bigger of course, but same thing, because he said, I need to be ready for everything they could throw at me. 00:04:10 Speaker 2: So what should we What's big right now? Oh? 00:04:12 Speaker 5: Well, people are upset about Israel. Gaza prepped me on that, and then I need to be sharp on the Bible. Let's let's study what does the Bible say on all of these topics. The very last conversation I had with Charlie by text, not even in person, it was Blake remind me, what are all the good arguments for monogamy? Which I think there's pretty pretty good arguments for monogamy. 00:04:34 Speaker 2: But he he's just. 00:04:36 Speaker 5: Refreshed him to me, And you know why is why is? Why is monogamy better than polygamy? 00:04:40 Speaker 2: Why is European monogamy better than anyone else? The way? Anywhere else does it? Why is divorced? Bad? Blake? Hit he hit me? 00:04:46 Speaker 4: Hit me? 00:04:46 Speaker 3: Did he just think that he was going to get a question on monogamy? 00:04:49 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I think that. I think it probably was in because it was Utah. I think. 00:04:57 Speaker 5: We brought it up, you know. And that's what Charlie was like. And it wasn't just because that event was going on. 00:05:04 Speaker 2: Charlie was able to go out and debate every single day. 00:05:07 Speaker 5: Because Charlie was effectively debating every single day with you and me, very in a friendly way. But he always wanted to be prepared and so and he was always ready to learn. So he would always be coming and saying, Blake, what's what's a good argument on this about immigration? What's the truth with going on with the border, what's the truth with h one? B's I'm hearing about this thing? I wouldn't real about that thing. I would get Jack tell me about Russia. 00:05:31 Speaker 2: What's going on? What's going on with Russia? Okay? Bye? And you would do that, China. Let's go on with China. Okay, bye. 00:05:37 Speaker 5: And what was so exceptional with Charlie was the profound humility and that he. 00:05:42 Speaker 2: Was always ready to learn. 00:05:43 Speaker 5: He was always ready to pick up a new expert who could teach him something, and he was never discouraged by having a setback. He was doing an event like this, probably in his last year. I bet he did thirty of them in a year, something like that. And as someone who had to review every sing one of those just because we'd be posting them as podcast episodes, I will tell you Charlie did not win every single debate he ever got in. Charlie did not win every single exchange he had with students. He had somewhere they would go viral with the left where the highlight would be, oh, Charlie gets owned by student on this, and he would get discouraged by it. But he would not be discouraged ever in a way that made him slack on his prep. Every setback for Charlie was always an opportunity to just. 00:06:27 Speaker 2: Learn more, get better. 00:06:30 Speaker 5: I think one of the best lessons you can get from Charlie. One of the reasons he achieved so much in barely thirty years of life. Is that Charlie understood that the person who fails the most actually succeeds the most. 00:06:43 Speaker 2: That's cool. 00:06:47 Speaker 6: He had and he would have these huge, you know, like folders of debates and topics and it would be color coded, and you know, oh, hey, here this is. 00:06:57 Speaker 2: A section on when he was in his car, when he was flying. 00:07:00 Speaker 5: And he was such an immense discipline over time, so you know, you know, look, okay, here's the taxes section, and they pulled this up to taxes, here's something on immigration, and he would just go to it stats and the discipline over his time because people would wonder about this, so it literally he would get off the plane and he'd say, all right, first thing, first, let's call let's call the family, calls up, Erica, has his kids on the phone, talks to them for you know, several minutes. 00:07:24 Speaker 2: Hey say hi to Blake everyone, and then do all of that. 00:07:27 Speaker 5: He'd get it close it and then he'd go all right, Blake, where were we on this? And just instantly pivot over to this topic. And then once he was done with me or Dan or anyone else on the team, he would just he'd be going through his. 00:07:39 Speaker 2: His binders on his own as well. 00:07:42 Speaker 5: Just memorize every single talking point, and again it's that every single defeat was a chance to build to a new victory. Every single uh setback was a chance to get better. And that was the grind that made Charlie a famous debater. 00:07:58 Speaker 2: It was that and fearlessness. 00:08:00 Speaker 5: And I can't say, as someone doing this for the first time, I know there's a lot of nervousness. I can't say how he felt the first time he ever did it. But what I can say is by the time I saw him out there, he was a guy who he wasn't afraid to argue in front of one hundred people, He wasn't afraid to argue in front. 00:08:16 Speaker 2: Of three thousand people. 00:08:18 Speaker 5: He wasn't afraid if this was going to be seen by ten million people on Fox News or if it was going to go viral to one hundred million people on TikTok. And it was simultaneously never being afraid of the sheer number of people out there, or ever forgetting when you're talking to just one person that all hones in on that person, you have to speak to them as the individual. And so I just loop back to. 00:08:44 Speaker 2: People would always ask, what how can I be like Charlie. 00:08:47 Speaker 5: That's how you'd be like Charlie. It is a truly daily, endless effort. You never slack, you never get lazy. And I think Jack, you and I can both attest that he was one of the best at it. And we know because students like you would tell us that. We know because of the emails we received. But most of all, we know, and the reason we're here today we know because someone was so afraid about the arguments that Charlie might make that rather than just grab that mic and make the argument against him, he took things into his own hands in a very different way. 00:09:27 Speaker 2: And I'll even you know on that note, I'll address that. 00:09:31 Speaker 3: So I heard there was this situation with another group, the unf America Tour, that they were trying to have an event on ASU's campus today as. 00:09:42 Speaker 2: Well, and they actually came by. 00:09:46 Speaker 3: They paid us a visit at the Turning Point headquarters earlier today, and we broadcast that live on my show on Human Events Daily, and we went out, Blake and I went out, and Adria Colvett, who we work with, also went out, and there had been some misconception and they were. 00:10:01 Speaker 2: They were asking us if we played a role in having their event. 00:10:05 Speaker 3: Canceled, and I said, not only did we not have a role in that, but also our event got canceled too. 00:10:12 Speaker 2: So you know, if believe me, if we had that kind. 00:10:14 Speaker 3: Of pull, we would have obviously just stuck with our own regular event that we were planning to have. And I feel like we had a pretty good conversation with them. Some of those clips are going around right now. I'm sure there's going to be some more as well. And yeah, we chopped it up a little bit, you know, as as Blake is saying here, which. 00:10:29 Speaker 5: Is what we'd want to do, because what we want to do, Charlie is every time he did an event, it was those who disagreed come to the front first and in agreement fest and when we. 00:10:38 Speaker 3: Go to yeah, when we go to the mic, that's exactly what we're going to say. But I just wanted to add that that was something that we eventually all agreed with because they said, well, what do you think about us having a left wing version of you know, the Turning Point Campus Tour? What do you think about that? And I said, honestly, I would appreciate you guys doing this, then a guy climbing up on a building and doing what he did to Charlie, Right, I think we can all agree on that, and I certainly wouldn't want anyone doing that on the other side either. So, because that's what it's all about, that's what being an Americans all about, that's what the First Amendment is all about, that's what our country is all about, that's what civic life is all about. That you can't have the system of government that we have, you can't have the system of laws. And right there the Constitution and the Bill of Rights are right up on the wall. 00:11:31 Speaker 5: They must have a law that requires there's be a law that has that up in everywhere? 00:11:34 Speaker 3: Is that a law here in Arizona. I'm not from Arizona, from Pennsylvania. 00:11:37 Speaker 2: The other room we were in also had them, but yeah, we noticed in the other room too. That's why I thought it might be there. 00:11:42 Speaker 3: And that's the point, though, is that this is the system that we have. We don't have a system where we resort to violence to hash out our disagreements. 00:11:54 Speaker 2: We don't resort to violence. We don't we don't do that. And that's why what happened to Charlie not to you know, go out at length unless people have questions about it. 00:12:03 Speaker 3: But that's why what happened to him is so heinous because it was an attack on Charlie, but it was also an attack on the ideals of our country, the ideals of our country which are based on free speech, free debate, free dialogue, and the ability of someone to be able to get up in the public square and what could be more of the modern public square than a university campus, and to be able to have those debates. 00:12:29 Speaker 2: And that's what Charlie was all about. 00:12:31 Speaker 5: How many of you, how many of you know what a black pillar is? Raise your hand, boom, you all know what a black kid. So black pillars for those who aren't terminally online, it's it's the person who is always a doomer, always defeat us, who says everything's going south, and so either everything's going to collapse or only radical things can stop the collapse, like you a black pillar mission. They always would accuse me of this. It probably because my name starts with me. His nickname we do we do. 00:12:58 Speaker 3: Like a Thursday podcast where it's all those together and we do kind of nickname in black pill Blake sometimes sorry but no. 00:13:05 Speaker 5: But I want to emphasize that that the system Charlie died believing. 00:13:09 Speaker 2: In is that he was never a black pillar. He was never a doomer. 00:13:13 Speaker 5: He believed that this system that we have in America is one where you can go on a campus and you can win an argument and you can change people's minds. And he lived that out because we saw him personally helped turn the tide on big issues. He turned the tide on who'd vote for in twenty twenty four, He turned the tide on the transgender as AM issue, which is one reason he was so. 00:13:35 Speaker 2: That man hated him. 00:13:36 Speaker 5: And he died believing that argument could carry the day in America. He died believing that freedom of speech was the way we can resolve our differences. He died telling people, you don't need a revolution, you don't need to overthrow the state, you don't need to do something crazy. You can change this country with a microphone, with some bravery and with some actual diligence taking action. Charlie was always the one go out there, debate people, do things, organize, get out the vote. That was Charlie's message. That's what he died for and that's why you and I have to pick up the mic. 00:14:18 Speaker 3: And I think that was and I think ultimately, you know, the the the moment that you know and the one I forgot the name. But she said to me that, you know, she had actually met Charlie once and this you know from the other tour. 00:14:35 Speaker 2: And had uh and said, you know, well. 00:14:37 Speaker 3: One day because she was look at the Turning Point campus and say it and said, you know, one day I want to get so big that we have buildings in a campus and all this to it. And I said, okay, well, good luck, and she goes, that's the same thing. Charlie said, good luck. I said, you know what, good luck fine, because that's our system. Our system is go out there, try to do it. If you can't. If you can't do it, try again. If you fail, try harder that so Charlie was all about. Charlie never gave up. And you know, there's ever gonna be another Charlie Kirk. And I I don't like when people do that I'm the next Charlie Kirk. 00:15:08 Speaker 2: No, you're not. Just stop. 00:15:10 Speaker 3: There's only ever gonna be one Charlie Kirk. There's ever only was gonna be one Charlie Kirk, and there will only ever. 00:15:16 Speaker 2: Be one Charlie Kirk. Okay, but. 00:15:20 Speaker 3: In Charlie's absence, while he's away on assignment with God, that the worst thing we could do to honor Charlie's legacy. And in those days afterwards, in the hours and and you know, now here we are, month six months after, the worst thing we could possibly do is to quit and give up and pack it up and say, all right, well. 00:15:44 Speaker 5: You know, whether it's giving up right or giving up on his strategy, because his strategy was working, and that's exactly why he was killed. 00:15:54 Speaker 3: So we're going to do what we can and to try to keep Charlie's legacy going. 00:15:58 Speaker 2: What do you guys think about that? Should we do? 00:15:59 Speaker 7: That? 00:16:00 Speaker 8: Looks like it works, right, Hi, Jacob Blake. I'm honestly, it's great to see you guys here, like taking up your time talk to us, like, thank you so much, And I just want to say God bless Charlie, like he. 00:16:11 Speaker 2: Meant a lot to me. 00:16:12 Speaker 8: Not the biggest disagree I'm just not agreeing on everything. But my big question here is I'm a Jewish student here at ASU, and I am more conservative, leading conservative leaving leading, but around the conservative and greater right community, you do see a bunch of anti Semitism, and the ADL has been pointing at it, and I've noticed it myself, but other students have noticed them, noticed it themselves. What would you say for these Jews students to do and what should the leaders do to own up to this and try to fix this problem. 00:16:43 Speaker 3: So you're saying that you see it on just on the wet right in general, or actually incidents on campus. 00:16:48 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm the. 00:16:48 Speaker 8: Right in general, but then also there are some incidents on campus. 00:16:51 Speaker 2: But can you tell us any just I mean, I'm not. 00:16:57 Speaker 8: Yeah, I understand, like there are points where there are made about the Jewish group that does for petroid harm, but I get their jokes and I don't take it too much personally, but there are students that do. So what would you say to those students who feel like they're not welcomed in this community? 00:17:13 Speaker 5: My first role, I think, as always it's always important to follow a principle of charity. You say you know their jokes, and I think, as long as they are jokes, don't hunt for offense because that alienates people. But I think you are correct to see this problem. I think this is something Charlie was super concerned about. We talked about this, yeah, even into his final days, because it. 00:17:34 Speaker 2: Is yes, we do not you guys, and I appreciate that thought. You guys. 00:17:40 Speaker 5: No, you're right to be worried, because I know some people want to dismiss it as people just being paranoid. But it's not paranoia because we can. 00:17:49 Speaker 2: See it clearly. 00:17:52 Speaker 5: There's almost a germ that gets in some people's brains where it's extremely tempting for them to blame any problems in their country, any problems in the world, and let's be frank, any problems in their personal lives on the Jews. Why is it them so commonly and compared to sitting to others. I'm sure if I could solve that question, I could, you know, probably get a big. 00:18:11 Speaker 2: Grant from somebody. 00:18:12 Speaker 5: But it is a recurring It is a recurring pattern, and your right to be concerned about it. 00:18:18 Speaker 2: Now what you should do is, first of all, just don't make any. 00:18:21 Speaker 5: Apologies for who you are. Don't allow anyone to intimidate you. Don't allow anyone to say that you're a second class American because of what your heritage is and as long as you're able to hold firm on that, I think you'll win a lot of respect from people. 00:18:37 Speaker 2: And I think. 00:18:39 Speaker 5: Charlie had a good disposition on this, where he'd point out like, don't pick You shouldn't pick fights with people if they're critical of the nation state of Israel. 00:18:46 Speaker 2: It's not America. They're a different country. You don't. You can disagree with people, but you. 00:18:50 Speaker 5: Don't pick fights with them or call them anti Semitic if they dislike Benjamin and Yahoo, he's a politician, and he's a foreign politician at that. 00:18:57 Speaker 2: But we do have to draw a hard line. 00:18:59 Speaker 5: If someone is going to be saying that the Jews control everything in America, that's just not true and it's paranoid. 00:19:06 Speaker 2: And if they're going to say. 00:19:07 Speaker 5: The Jews are responsible for why there's pornography or you know, whatever things they come up with, you actually just have to I'll be frank, I think those people just have to be called out as morons because I think for a lot of them, it's just a it's a low hanging fruit, and we are I'll be frank, we're seeing a side effect of something that Charlie fought for that we all care about, which is true freedom of speech in getting rid of censorship. 00:19:33 Speaker 2: It used to be. 00:19:34 Speaker 5: Five years ago, six years ago, we had rampant censorship on every single platform online and it did mean there was a lot less anti semitism on the Internet. But it also meant you couldn't say what a woman really is, you couldn't really criticize immigration, you couldn't take a lot of views that we're now able to say. And a side effect of Elon Musk buying Twitter, renaming it X, opening that up a lot of other platforms, liberalizing so that we can say what we really I believe is it did have the side effect of enabling a lot of these people. 00:20:04 Speaker 2: So we have to be tough because we have to win this argument with arguments. 00:20:10 Speaker 5: We don't want to return to a world where censorship is rampant, because that's. 00:20:14 Speaker 2: Where the left wins. Yes, thank you so much, thank you. Oh and I can I absolutely concur with that. We can. We can move next year next How you doing, Hi, good evening. 00:20:29 Speaker 7: So you know, I know a lot of you here New Charlie Kirk, So I'm sorry for your loss. So anyway, I am a history major here at Asu and because you know, a lot of people aren't interested in dwelling on the past. 00:20:43 Speaker 2: But because I'm a history major. 00:20:44 Speaker 7: I am so, Jack Pasomich, I've read that you before, have that you have defended Henro Lissimo Francisco Franco, who is the deal of Spain from nineteen thirty six to nineteen seventy five. You so you believe like he was a crusader who saved Spain from communism? 00:21:02 Speaker 2: Is that correct? He certainly did so. Then do you think that leads me to three questions? 00:21:07 Speaker 1: Then? 00:21:07 Speaker 7: Do you think it was necessary for him to space in order to save Spain from communism? To have the Nazi Luftwaffe leveled the city of Gernica to the ground and kill thousands of civilians just to take the city from Basque Catholic Basque nationalists who only wanted autonomy for their nation. Do you think it was necessary to save Spain for communism in order for them to execute or imprison indigenous Basques, Catalans and Galicians who were simply speaking their native languages or practicing their cultures. I mean, do you think it was necessary for him, in order to save Spain from Communism to abolish the Democratic Republic and make himself dictator for life and keep Spain until his death under this stifling dictatorship. 00:21:56 Speaker 2: Where there was what little progress. 00:21:57 Speaker 7: Did happen only benefited the e and it's very strict traditional society, because I don't. 00:22:03 Speaker 2: Under more than just little progress. 00:22:04 Speaker 3: It was known as the Spanish Miracle of well of the economic progress was tremendous, but. 00:22:10 Speaker 2: It benefited mainly the elite. 00:22:12 Speaker 7: But I don't understand how you can celebrate free speech will supporting this dictator who banned entire languages. And in one instance, and I will show anyone, I'll email anyone if you want to know where I read this that in one of his police officers once executed a taxi driver simply because he gave him directions in Catalan. So if this is the model, if Franco Spain is the new rights model, then I don't want nothing to do with that. 00:22:38 Speaker 2: Well, have I said that's the model for America? Well? Ever, no, but some people have. 00:22:44 Speaker 3: Although your position is that you asked about what I've said. 00:22:47 Speaker 7: Right, I apologize. I don't want to straw man you. But your position is that he saved Spain from communism. Certainly necessary for him to do all those. 00:22:55 Speaker 3: I noticed Spain from there was a civil war, Spanish Civil War, and I noticed you mentioning, you know, certain things that happen on one side of that war, but you haven't mentioned anything about what the communists were doing in the first place that led to the civil war to kicking off. 00:23:11 Speaker 7: Well, while there were communists and anarchists on the Republican side, it was mostly if you look at the results of the nineteen thirty six Congression election, it was mostly liberals and socialists and moderate socialists who wanted a democratic republic. And I just don't you know you can and even if even build people on the Republican side did do horrible things, I don't see how that justifies all of the horrible things. Franco didn't trying to eliminate these looks they were, it's like the Basque counting. 00:23:39 Speaker 3: Things like things like smashing churches, things like murdering priests, things like raping nuns on the altars and then taking their dead bodies and parading them in the town square. 00:23:50 Speaker 2: I have photos if you'd like to see. 00:23:52 Speaker 3: And all of these absolute atrocities which were going on throughout. 00:23:55 Speaker 2: Spain, which you didn't seem to mention. 00:23:58 Speaker 7: Well, I agree, I agree that all that is wrong, but I don't understand how any of that can justify leveling Gernica or all the other things that I mentioned. 00:24:06 Speaker 2: Again, it was a civil war. 00:24:08 Speaker 7: Well, but the banning of all those cultures that happened after the civil war. 00:24:12 Speaker 3: Again, it was a civil war. There was a situation that he led. And again I've never once said that America should be like Franco Spain. Just people have tried to put words in my mouth and say that I've said that, never said that. 00:24:24 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, sorry, I didn't mean to straw Man you. No, no, I'm not necessarily saying that you said that. 00:24:28 Speaker 3: But there are people who have tried to say that. I've just never said it. 00:24:32 Speaker 2: Okay. 00:24:33 Speaker 7: So, but even after the Civil War, I was still illegal for people from those groups to speak their languages and practice their cultures. I mean, why in the name of national unity, why was that? I mean, do you think that was okay? 00:24:46 Speaker 3: Well, Spain is a totally different history than the United States. So their their history in terms of maintaining their their culture, their heritage, maintaining their territorial integrity, it's totally different from our culture of so they have a culture for that had to deal with the occupation of the Muslims, the occupation of the Moors, and who they fought against for almost one thousand, seven hundred years to be able to expel and then maintain their territorial and cultural identity. And so in that context, I'm sure that's what they were operating under. But the United States of America has a totally different system than Spain. We are not Spain. We don't hopefully are not going to be speaking Spanish as our national language anytime soon. But of course, you see the way things are going that might happen or at least as a as a you know, quasi secondary language, and so I wouldn't necessarily say that the things done within the Spanish context are things that we should do here in the American context, just because they're two totally different situations. 00:25:45 Speaker 2: Okay, thank you very much, thank you, Thank you. 00:25:49 Speaker 9: Hi, folks, Andrew Colvett here, I'd like to tell you about my friends over at why Refi. You've probably been hearing me talk about y Refi for some time now. We are all in with these guys. If you or someone you know is struggling with private student loan debt. Take my advice and give them a call. Maybe you're behind on your payments, maybe you're even in default. You don't have to live in this nightmare anymore. Why ref I will provide you a custom payment based on your ability to pay. They tailor each loan individually. 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Johnny Derek, I'm a space systems engineer. 00:27:11 Speaker 4: That's awesome student, you know, with the events of Charlie Kirk and sort of the you know, organization of Turning. 00:27:19 Speaker 2: Point and it's sort of place in America. I mean, I. 00:27:23 Speaker 4: Think it's good that you guys are out here debating and putting on a platform for free speech. Of course, so I do have a question about the organization itself, though, which should be fair game hopefully. 00:27:37 Speaker 2: So full disclosure. 00:27:39 Speaker 5: I don't think I are either of us actual Turning Point emplays I am. I am an employee of the Charlie Kirk Show. So I can't speak formally for Turning Point. 00:27:46 Speaker 2: Obviously. 00:27:46 Speaker 5: I know many people there, I have an extensive relationship, but I can't. 00:27:50 Speaker 2: Speak I'm for we know things about turn we know things you know. I'm question. 00:27:56 Speaker 3: I'm a Turning Point contributor. But what like you're saying, another was a Turning Point officials, So if you're asking us about specific decisions, we may not have as much detail, but you know, please please fire. 00:28:06 Speaker 4: Away the general Yeah, like there's been videos of Turning Points. Now, CEO Erica Kirk have surface of her in CIA training videos. 00:28:19 Speaker 2: You could you could look it up on your phone. Joe Rogan talked about it. It's been all over the place. So you're gonna be skeptical. Well, I'm not skeptical. I just I'll let you finish the question. You can look it up. 00:28:30 Speaker 4: It's clear as day. This is from before her meeting Charlie and after Charlie's unfortunate you know, demise. Something else was scrubbed off of Turning Points Internet, which was Paul Valley, who is a co author of Mind War with the pedophile Satanist general Michael Achino. He was positioned as chair of the board and that was since removed from Turning Points website. 00:29:04 Speaker 2: You can look at as chair of Turning Point Yeah, you could. You could just google Paul Valelly. I have to check that out. Yeah, I'd have to check that out. I can't. I can't right now. I couldn't tell you the composition. 00:29:18 Speaker 5: I can't tell you the position that composition of Turning Points board. 00:29:22 Speaker 2: What I can tell you is saying. 00:29:24 Speaker 4: It was removed after Charlie's unfortunate demise. 00:29:28 Speaker 3: It was so you're saying he was on the on the site or is there a video about it? 00:29:34 Speaker 2: It was on the site and then it was removed from Okay, So I was just. 00:29:38 Speaker 4: Wondering, like, do these connections warrant deeper investigation given the circumstances of Charlie's actual violent murder and death. And then he was sort of speaking out against the current Iran war before Well, well, so he was, you know, against it theoretically right, and so. 00:30:00 Speaker 5: So hold on, are you suggesting that if Erica Kirk was in Erica FRANCEBA was in a CIA related video, that's evidence that she was involved in a plot to have Charlie murdered. 00:30:11 Speaker 2: I didn't say that. I just said that, why did you mention it? 00:30:16 Speaker 4: Well, let me get let me get there, let me finish it. So I mean to my understanding of narrative control. You know, the pedophile ring scandal of the Epstein files. You know, you're just talking about what the communists we're doing, you know, raping people on church stages and stuff like that. Where there's a mind war pedophile Satanist general Michae Laquino, who is you know, writing you know, significant psychological operations books that are influencing us today here now, So the question is if he was vocally opposed to this war, and you know before the easy label of conspiracy gets thrown out, like just google the things right now, because I'm not going to like entertain being called. 00:31:07 Speaker 2: A conspiracy theorists is like clear as day. 00:31:12 Speaker 4: Yeah, So, like my question is is it smart to put these people front and center for turning Point. 00:31:18 Speaker 2: Right after you know, a violent assassination. Now saying that. 00:31:22 Speaker 4: You know, CIA is pro war, right, this is a group that has a following of young Republicans and conservatives, you know, being on campus doing debates. So there's obviously a vested interest in large groups and. 00:31:39 Speaker 2: Accounts and narrative control at the CIA. 00:31:42 Speaker 4: So if Erica Kirk is actually someone who was working for the CIA, there's no former CIA people. 00:31:49 Speaker 2: Everybody's still working for the agency. 00:31:51 Speaker 4: The question is, you know, should they be front center at turning Point in your opinion? 00:31:57 Speaker 2: Well, I'll start with this by the way. 00:31:59 Speaker 3: So so Blake, this is your first event and just permit me if you will. I think this helped answer your quest. Maybe you help answer your question or at least give some insight. Blake, this is your first you. 00:32:09 Speaker 2: Know, pick up the mic. 00:32:11 Speaker 3: Anytimes you stood next to Charlie number of times, but. 00:32:14 Speaker 2: Never done it before. 00:32:16 Speaker 3: Has anyone prior to you coming up here told you anything about what you have to say and what you can't say. Nope, any like, not even just a turning point anyone in general. Nope, same way for me, there hasn't been. And and I did z Erica, you know, earlier today, and you just said good luck, you know, basically, So, I mean, there isn't really a set up. You talk about narrative formation, that nobody really was. So if I was doing narrative formation, and I am a prior intelligence officer that you know, I would make sure I would make sure that I would say to my subjects, Hey, you know, make sure you plug this thing, this thing, this thing, make sure you say this about Iran, make sure you say this about the war, make sure you say this about the president, et cetera. If I were, you know, running that kind of operation, it's just we don't. We've just never done that. They said the event, here you go, here's the room, here's the mics, have at it, and that was pretty much it. So if you're running a syop like that, you want to make sure that you're hitting those repetition points over and over and over. Yet that's just that's just not something that was done. Look, you know, I know there's different pieces of media that Erica did when you know she was working as you know, she was in in media and she was doing you know, different contracts. 00:33:20 Speaker 2: With little people. 00:33:22 Speaker 3: People do different you know, people take different contracts. It's when you're you know, when you're in that world, and you know, I think that you know, she did obviously different things. 00:33:30 Speaker 2: You know, I know a lot. 00:33:31 Speaker 3: Of people that have you know, tried to be actresses and stars and different things, and you know, they take different contracts. 00:33:37 Speaker 2: It's it's kind of you know what you get. 00:33:38 Speaker 5: I want to I want to get to the crux of it, which is but but that's not and yeah, to get to the rucks of it. 00:33:44 Speaker 3: That just because you do a contract job for somebody at one point you just look up IMDb on any but even even. 00:33:49 Speaker 2: For I am actually in a Jackie Chance, but even from dB. 00:33:52 Speaker 5: So you asked why if it was wise to put Erica front and center at the organization. The reason Erica is front and center at turning point is because when Charlie was alive, people repeatedly asked, Charlie, we're worried something will happen to people. Always speculated that something could happen to Charlie, and when he was asked he would he would First of all, he was totally fearless. He would just say, like, oh, it'll be fine, Erica will take over for me. That is what he said over and over. I saw them interact all the time, almost on a daily basis. Even when he was traveling, he was calling her all the time. He was talking to her all the time. Charlie and Erica were partners. They were husband and wife in a deep way. Their marriage was incredibly admirable. I've seen a lot of marriages. Some of them are good, some of them are bad. Charlie and Erica's was exceptional. They were on the same wavelength. I saw how much that relationship. 00:34:42 Speaker 2: I didn't know. 00:34:43 Speaker 5: Erica as well prior to Charlie's death, but especially in the wake of it, I saw how much everything he'd done meant to her, and how completely committed she was to fulfilling his mission, what he had done in life that she knew. The life I thought I was going to live has changed v area abruptly, But I am fearlessly going to embrace the new one because I know it's what I have to do for my husband and for his legacy. That is the reason she was put front and center, and she hasn't really she has become the CEO of the organization because that is what Charlie wanted. And it's because I saw it with all the people who were senior at Turning Point. There wasn't even a question that that is what would happen. There was no one forcing this. There is no one pressuring it to happen. This is what everyone at Turning Point wanted to happen. But the mind War Paul Valelli connection. 00:35:33 Speaker 4: To US Army psychological operations is more to the point where the CIA and Erica Kirk being hired by the CIA before meeting Charlie in a media you know, a media outfit of his own founding right where you know, it's a war of the words out there, so to speak. 00:35:55 Speaker 5: Are there words that you believe she's used that are completely different from what Charli would advocate. I have never seen such a thing, not at all, or like for example, we've continued the Charlie Kirk Show and we've talked about the war, and I don't think we've taken a pro war attitude on our program, and I don't think we've ever faced any pressure on that front, whether from Erica, from Turning Point, or from the government. And I think in truth like it's been very up Like, yeah, like it's been I'll be frank, it's been very upsetting for me to run into insinuations and allegations like this, because Jack, if you and I want to have to borrow this to get into it, like. 00:36:39 Speaker 2: I didn't make any allegations against you, well I'm not. 00:36:41 Speaker 5: Saying you did, but a lot of people have used the things you mentioned to do it. And I've seen people incredibly close to Charlie that he cared about, and who I knew cared a lot about Charlie face a lot of bizarre harassment in these months since then, in a period where they're trying to build on what Charlie did, they've been trying to grieve themselves, and they've had to deal with people nitpicking how they behaved after someone was. 00:37:06 Speaker 2: Shot to death right in front of them. 00:37:07 Speaker 5: They've been nitpicking publicly what these yes publicly while they were there in front of them. 00:37:13 Speaker 2: I was there, I was ten feet away from it when it happened. 00:37:16 Speaker 5: And I've been blessed in that I haven't been harassed nearly as many as some of the people I've known. But I find it, I find it detestable what some people have done because Jack, you and I can attest it because we've looked at it as closely as anyone, that we are very confident that. 00:37:34 Speaker 2: They have the right person in this case? Are we not? 00:37:38 Speaker 3: My mic has been it is mess So no, I totally agree that when you follow the evidence, that the evidence points. 00:37:46 Speaker 2: To Tyler Robinson. It just points to him. 00:37:47 Speaker 3: That there's the one thing that I can't get by, not even to get into all the which I could to go through the forensic evidence. 00:37:54 Speaker 2: But the the and the. 00:37:57 Speaker 3: You know, obviously the physical evidence, but the fact matter as a father, right, the fact that it was his own parents, his own mom and dad that turned in Tyler Robinson. 00:38:08 Speaker 2: And he didn't ask about Tyler. 00:38:09 Speaker 3: But I'm gonna talk about it anyway, that as a dad, you know, to pick up the phone in a situation like that and to call someone in law enforcement that you know had been a friend of yours and say, hey, I think that's my son that did that horrible thing in a situation where you've got the President the United States. 00:38:33 Speaker 2: Calling for the death penalty. 00:38:34 Speaker 3: You obviously see the situation, you know how bad it's going to be, and in the face of all that, you still pick up the phone and turned in your own son. It's it's one of the most admirable things I've seen anyone do. It's it's incredible. It gives me so much hope for America and so much hope for our society and the system. 00:38:59 Speaker 2: As we talked about, Wow, not a black pillar. 00:39:01 Speaker 3: And and I'll just say it from my own perspective as a dad, I don't know if I could do that for my own son. I don't know if I could do that to turn in my own son. But that man did. 00:39:11 Speaker 2: And because he. 00:39:12 Speaker 3: Did that, and it wasn't the FBI that that quant Tyler Robinson, and it wasn't the local police, and nothing against them, it's just this is how it happened. 00:39:19 Speaker 5: They put out a photo, his mom saw it, his dad made the phone call, and I just I've never talked to them directly, but you know, if I did, I would just say praying for you, guys, Praying for you. 00:39:31 Speaker 3: As as much as I hope anyone else is because I can't. I can't even imagine what you're going through. 00:39:37 Speaker 2: Thank you for your question, and thank you very much, thank you. No, it's a good question. It was a good question. That was a great question. Let's keep them going. 00:39:49 Speaker 3: No, that we could talk about it. No, it's it's it's you know, we're chopping it up. That's what it's all about. 00:39:54 Speaker 11: Considering that you guys are a conservative organization, yes, sir, we've. 00:39:58 Speaker 2: Been called that. Assume that you guys are supportive of the current administration. Would that be correct generally? 00:40:03 Speaker 5: Yes, Well, technically turning point cannot endorse it can't. 00:40:07 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, right right. 00:40:10 Speaker 5: We are a conservative or yet we are in alignment with a very large share of the president's Legally, we have to. 00:40:18 Speaker 3: Say since we're at the you know, the student event, that we're not endorsing. 00:40:22 Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, of course. 00:40:23 Speaker 11: Okay, Well, do you guys probably support the cabinet picks? 00:40:29 Speaker 2: I do? Yeah? Do you I. 00:40:30 Speaker 5: Support them to the extent they've delivered on what they promised, which is, you know, whether the danged secretary is Christy Nome or Mark Wayne Mullen. Now, as long as they are keeping the border secured, which they did. As long as they are deporting illegal migrants, if they're clamping down on all the other ways people have illegally come in this country and. 00:40:49 Speaker 2: Kept it secure, I like it. 00:40:51 Speaker 5: Pete Hegseth unconventional secretary of warpick to say the least. But if he is putting merit first in the military instead of you know, gender equity and all the other types of equity that they've prioritized in the military under the Biden. 00:41:05 Speaker 2: Years, then he has my support. 00:41:08 Speaker 5: When the FBI is putting investigating actual terrorists first, actual criminals, actual evildoers instead of sending agents into Latin masses to see if they're doing anything untoward when they say a potternoster, I'm in support of that. And I think markco Ruby has been an excellent Secretary of State. I know several people in the administration and I've been very impressed with what they've been able to do. 00:41:31 Speaker 3: And so I feel like there's more to your question now, Yeah, sous specific people here where. 00:41:38 Speaker 11: Yeah, obviously you have cash Battel and Pambondi that were pasked with right unredacting and releasing the Epstein file. 00:41:44 Speaker 2: We have zero perpetrators that have been arrested. 00:41:46 Speaker 11: Would you feel like that's a cover up when one of the filest names that they had seven perpetrators that they knew assisted. 00:41:53 Speaker 2: I think, I mean, look, this is. 00:41:55 Speaker 3: Something I've said publicly a number of times that I think that the way that that was handled was was it was mishandled. 00:42:01 Speaker 2: It was obviously mishandled. 00:42:03 Speaker 3: And the whole thing they did with you know, handing me this binder and. 00:42:07 Speaker 2: Saying, oh, here's the Epstein you. 00:42:09 Speaker 3: Know files, and it was all just stuff that had already been public and then you know, we don't find out until we get a chance to go through it later on that if they had just come out initially and said these are the files, we can get everything out, we can put it all out right now, then I think they would be in a much better position than they have been now. And in fact, I'm going to be interviewing the working on it. I'm not going to say it just yet, but working on interviewing a senior official at DOJ specifically about this, hopefully fingers crossed later this week, and I'm going to ask him those same questions because it's something we'll look When I talked to when we go to I was just at Liberty University now here we are. It's when I talk to young voters or young students that one of the number one questions I get isn't. 00:42:55 Speaker 2: Iran, it's not farm Wars, it's Jeffrey Epstein. Where the arrests all long. 00:43:00 Speaker 3: And that's something that we called for at the last turning point event that we ended up holding. 00:43:05 Speaker 2: With Charlie, which was the Student Action Summit down in his Tampa. 00:43:08 Speaker 5: Right, And I remember you probably remember behind the scenes too, just that was all blowing up, and Charlie was he was a very one of his best traits is he was stopped talking to the grassroots and he would take an honest freet of the grassroots and all the way to the White House to the President. And Yeah, some of them got very angry because he was saying, people are very upset about this, and they got mad at him. 00:43:30 Speaker 2: He says, too bad, they're still really upset at you guys. 00:43:32 Speaker 3: So we've we've at this point, right, having gone through everything that we went through to get the files, that at least we do have the files now. Personally, like I said, I wish they'd come out day one week one put. 00:43:44 Speaker 2: It all out, or if you have to go through it and put it out weekly. 00:43:47 Speaker 3: Whatever it is, he should have been should have been sooner. Obviously he can't change the past on that. But I would love to see arrests. I would absolutely love to see arrests in the UK. Right they got arrest for the well, it was Prince Andrew. I guess they took his title away and he was arrested. 00:44:02 Speaker 2: They got rid. They had to drop their what's. 00:44:04 Speaker 3: The guy's name again, mandelssoon Lord Mandalsson, Lord Mandelson had to get dropped out of their cabinet. I don't know if he's been arrested, but it was a part of this insider trading thing. 00:44:14 Speaker 2: And there's been a number of instances where we've seen. 00:44:16 Speaker 3: Again and again and again that it seemed like Jeffrey Epstein had this influence over his rich. 00:44:22 Speaker 2: Friends slash, you know, clients. 00:44:25 Speaker 3: Some might say that certainly to my mind, requires criminal scrutiny. 00:44:32 Speaker 11: So it seems like we're all in agreement we want them prosecuted, but we do disagree a bit on what sufficient disclosure. 00:44:38 Speaker 5: I would say, I would first of all point out that we have more Epstein transparency now by about two orders of magnitude maybe than we we're not saying. 00:44:48 Speaker 2: Sufficient they've done that. There's been no accountability. 00:44:52 Speaker 5: Like think about the fact that Bill gay, it's one of the ten richest people in the world, is profoundly humiliated right now. He's basically socially ruined by everything that's come out. The richest man in the world, Elon Musk, he got embarrassed by what came out of the files because of the exchanges he was having with Epstein's team. I believe the General Council of Goldman Sachs, I think got forced out of his job. That's a pretty elite position. What I would say, And you know what the President warned about. What the President warned about when this was all ramping up last summer, is if you just release everything in a blanket way, there are going to be people who are going to be assumed guilty of crimes who aren't guilty of of anything. And I think that's been born out because there is an element where people have just demanded anyone whose name has appeared in. 00:45:34 Speaker 2: This should be arrested. 00:45:36 Speaker 5: I firmly believe, yeah, if you can a specific person who abused a specific other person or engage in truly illegal behavior that's been alleged. 00:45:45 Speaker 2: They should be prosecuted, they should be arrested. 00:45:48 Speaker 5: But I would always encourage people to look closely at what is actually proven in anything that's happened, because I don't follow this as aggressively as some people, but I've seen it happen over and over where oh, a photo comes out and just because one of the faces has blurred out, they'll say, oh, this is this person with their victim, with no evidence that this person was a minor, was trafficked, that there was any sexual relationship. 00:46:11 Speaker 2: Of any kind. And you can't run a country that way. 00:46:15 Speaker 5: You can't run a country through insinuations, through guilt by association. 00:46:20 Speaker 2: You have to actually prove things. 00:46:21 Speaker 5: And I think as much as it's embarrassing to the world's elites that they were all just friends with this guy, who we can all agree is very gross, we do have to be careful before we jump from that to mass arrests. For everybody that sounds. 00:46:35 Speaker 3: Cathartasity and now I'm gonna start disagreement. 00:46:38 Speaker 2: I do want mass arrests. 00:46:40 Speaker 3: But when Bill Clinton started looking at some of those pictures, you guys saw this right. When he was looking at those pictures, you could see Old Bill had that like wistful look. 00:46:50 Speaker 2: In his eye where he's like he's like, oh yeah, that was oh yeah, oh yeah, I remember that fashioned. I think Bill get should just go to jail for perjury back and. 00:47:00 Speaker 5: Yeah, and Billgates to Biligates should go to jail for Windows Vista. 00:47:04 Speaker 2: He should definitely go to jail for Windows Vista. Then can we all agree on that at least? Yeah? 00:47:08 Speaker 3: No, No, it's it's it's something where look, at the end of the day, I think we need to understand that, you know, we talk about these questions of policy in our country. 00:47:18 Speaker 2: I'll take it to a higher level. 00:47:19 Speaker 3: I guess we talk about these questions of war, like the gentleman was just asking of war, of diplomacy, of negotiations, and then we find out that something like Epstein was going on, and we tell people that, oh, well, just trust us, we've cleaned it all up. And I think there's serious questions that arise then that how can we trust what any decision maker is making if they were a part of these activities. And I'm talking about the nefarious and criminal activity side that you know that they weren't, you know, trying to conduct some action or conduct some foreign policy maneuver because they were worried about their involvement. 00:47:59 Speaker 2: In EPs operations coming out. 00:48:01 Speaker 3: And I think these are serious questions when you have people like the ones that we've seen, the ones that we've talked about, the elites that were involved in there, what question does this leverage or what influence does this leverage? Blackmail if you want to call it, that have in our society when you look Jeffrey Epstein had all this leverage over Bill Gates and then suddenly Bill Gates is kind of kind of handed the reins to our society during COVID. 00:48:24 Speaker 2: Did that play and influence? 00:48:26 Speaker 3: I don't know, but it's certainly something that as a citizen. 00:48:29 Speaker 2: Of a free republic, we should all be asking. 00:48:32 Speaker 12: Well. 00:48:32 Speaker 11: I completely agree with the fact that I do believe Clinton is well both Clinton's are likely part of that whole ring. I also would agree with Bill Gates. But someone you didn't mention that I think is implicated as much more. 00:48:46 Speaker 2: Would be a President Donald Trump with multiple credible. 00:48:50 Speaker 11: Allegations according to FBI documents. Would they claim they seem to be credible and across many interviews seemed to have the same story, not have any holes in it. So what do you feel about that, as you mentioning the blackmail where it's reasonable to assume that Israel has it. You know, Epstein had ties to Israel and Masad, possibly the Israel could have those they have leverage over us. Russia claims to have had access to the files and have blackmail on Trump. So do you feel like those people could be black mailing a president in which case putting us in danger. 00:49:23 Speaker 3: Well, I mean you look at those cases. In a number of those cases, Blake you might remember exactly and better than me, but they were looked into. A lot of those were actually found to have a lot of holes in them. 00:49:33 Speaker 2: A lot of them. 00:49:33 Speaker 3: Didn't actually hold up under scrutiny. They you know, people were even making phone calls into the FBI saying, oh, you know, Donald Trump did this to me years ago after Epstein had already become public. So just because somebody calls in and makes a complaint to the FBI, this still doesn't mean it's credible. 00:49:50 Speaker 2: And as I as a guy who worked in the intelligence. 00:49:52 Speaker 3: Community, I just real quick, you know, we would get reports all the time that you know, somebody walks in and says, oh, something happened, you still have to check it out. 00:50:00 Speaker 2: You still have to actually go in. 00:50:01 Speaker 3: And this is one of the issues when you're looking at raw information like this, is that it's not it hasn't been assessed, Its credibility hasn't actually been been weighed and measured. That's something I'm going to be asking if I get the opportunity to a senior DJ official to ask about those. 00:50:15 Speaker 2: Sorts of things. 00:50:16 Speaker 3: But in every instance with Donald Trump, it has always fallen apart. And we've seen a pattern of this for years with Donald Trump, that there's an allegation against him and people look into it. 00:50:26 Speaker 2: And it just doesn't hold scrutiny. 00:50:29 Speaker 5: I fall back to the same default that Charlie often did, which is just to point out that throughout, as you said, we had four years of Biden. 00:50:38 Speaker 2: They basically rewrote New York state. 00:50:41 Speaker 5: Laws specifically so that he could be sued by what's her. 00:50:45 Speaker 2: Name, the James. 00:50:47 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, so litician James could go after him, to go after his organization. They completely warped their laws. They could go after him for his financial filings from his company. They said he was covering up a felony, you know, for. 00:50:59 Speaker 2: The Alvin Brag. 00:51:02 Speaker 5: Alvin Bragg was interpreting statutes in Abwe go after him. They're basically rewriting the law to go after him. At the federal level with the Special Prosecutor, they're basically rewriting the law to go after him in Florida. They're coming up with endless novel legal approaches to go. 00:51:16 Speaker 2: After Donald Trump once he's out of office. 00:51:19 Speaker 5: And they're doing this for a simple reason that they are fanatically obsessed with putting Donald Trump in prison because they hate him. Actually, and they did multiple special and they did the Special Council. 00:51:29 Speaker 2: They were Robert Roller the day that they're going to keep doing it. 00:51:33 Speaker 5: Yeah, And we have basically a decade of NonStop effort to find something to put Donald Trump in prison. And then you're telling me that we actually had secret evidence from the Epstein files, which were already well known and famous at this time for four years of President Biden, and they never bothered to indict him on that. 00:51:53 Speaker 2: I just find that pretty unlikely. 00:51:54 Speaker 11: I would assume that they didn't release them and indict him on that because they're part of the two. 00:51:58 Speaker 2: So I think all of them part of it. 00:52:00 Speaker 11: If they release about one person, now they implicate everyone else, and now it's I would encourage you. 00:52:05 Speaker 5: To look at for example, there's a bunch of roads and parks that are going to be renamed in Phoenix in the next few days because they were named after Caesar Chavez. 00:52:13 Speaker 2: The Left doesn't. 00:52:15 Speaker 5: Have a problem throwing out their own people to get someone that they sufficiently hate. You guys might not remember, but about a decade ago Al Franken, he was a senator. 00:52:26 Speaker 2: They threw him out as part of me too. 00:52:28 Speaker 5: They are totally willing to dump their own lawmakers, their own fundraisers, their own people. Harvey Weinstein, a big Democrat fundraiser, they threw him out. They don't have a problem taking out their own people, and they still never took out Donald Trump with Epstein, I think that's the best evidence that there really is not a lot there personally. But I want us to make sure we get to some more questions. So thank you very much, Thank you very much. 00:52:54 Speaker 2: Cheers. 00:52:54 Speaker 3: It's Neil Blake that that actually is to me. 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I don't know where you're going, but Blake and I have gotten this before, and we have discovered that he is much more of an absolutist than I am on it. 00:54:35 Speaker 13: Okay, Well, how do you feel about the President of the United States tweeting out he's celebrating the death of a US citizen, Robert Mueller, just the other day. 00:54:44 Speaker 2: I don't care for it is a free speech. I don't care for it. I think what I will say is. 00:54:51 Speaker 5: When we had Charlie Charlie's memorial right here, one of the best moments of it was it took a lot of bravery. Erica went up there and she said, on stage in front of seventy thousand people in that building and who knows how many millions watching around the world, and she says, that man who killed my husband, I forgive him. And then a few minutes later, Donald Trump went up there and he said, yeah, you know, I don't forgive my enemies. 00:55:16 Speaker 2: I hate him, I hate my enemies. I'm happy when bad things happen to them. 00:55:21 Speaker 3: We kind of know what we're what he then added, but maybe Erica could change my mind. 00:55:26 Speaker 2: Maybe yes he did, Yes he did. 00:55:28 Speaker 5: I think it is I would say Donald Trump, anyone would admit, even as supporters will admit, he has traits they like and traits they care for less. And the president's tendency to dump on people, you know, after they've deceased is not one I personally care for. 00:55:48 Speaker 13: So you would be fine with the you know, people saying, oh, I'm glad that Hitler is dead. I'm glad that we are currently bombing I ran and killing the Ayatola. Or when Charlie Kirk died, people were celebrating. 00:56:01 Speaker 5: I mean, people absolutely had the legal right to celebrate it. I found it incredibly loathsome, not just because he was a good man and a father, but also like especially the heinous way in which he was killed, to celebrate it when someone. 00:56:13 Speaker 2: Is murdered, not just murdered, but murdered. 00:56:16 Speaker 5: While at a you know, at a table like this one holding a free speech event, specifically because of his speech. I think it was exceptionally evil that people would do that, but I do think they have the legal right to do it. I don't think you should go to prison for doing it. 00:56:33 Speaker 2: You mean for the speech, for the speech? Yes, okay, thank you, thank you. I feel like my chair is shrinking. 00:56:42 Speaker 5: I like, you know, I like it when I know people have opinions that I that I dislike and. 00:56:48 Speaker 2: The best way, But that's different. 00:56:49 Speaker 3: The first Amendment, that's first amendment is is a different, different question. 00:56:53 Speaker 2: What's your name? Oady George? Doing very well, doing lovely awesome. I'm from Fresnoe, California. If any of you guys know where that is the valley? Oh yeah. 00:57:08 Speaker 14: Obviously California has a stereotype of being a very blue state, which it is. And in California, of course, there is a lot of illegals just in general. Now, A lot of that is due to the agriculture it is there. So I do assume that you guys are for deportation of all illegals. Correct. 00:57:28 Speaker 2: Okay, So my question is. 00:57:31 Speaker 14: If this amount of illegals that do do this labor to farm work every sing because I'm not doing it. If someone has a high school diploma, you're not doing it. What is your solution for that? Then, if you're to get. 00:57:43 Speaker 3: Rid of them all, broadly speaking, automation, bring in robotics, bring in you know, get giddy law musque on that or whoever the next robotics guy is. 00:57:52 Speaker 2: I mean, you look at some of the auto pickers in the auto you. 00:57:56 Speaker 3: Know, autonomous robotics that we have now, I mean, my gosh, if we have AI drones that can find people on the other side of the planet, I'm pretty sure we can find something that can find an apple or an orange. 00:58:08 Speaker 5: So let ourselves get addicted to low cost foreign labor. And like other addictions, there is a short term high you get from it. 00:58:16 Speaker 2: It saves you money. Let's you make more money in the short term. 00:58:20 Speaker 5: But the damage is long term financially, and it's just long term on the country. So yeah, a farmer might have been able to run their business better, but that's still not worth it. If it's degrading America's respect for the rule of law, if it's degrading our national cohesion because we don't all speak the same language, if we're offloading the trouble of maybe they'd be on welfare, or they're expensive to educate, or they use a lot of healthcare. All of those things are getting offloaded onto the public system. But we're letting all of this happen because we've gotten addicted to lower cost labor. Economically, I think we have to treat it as an addiction, and sometimes you basically have to go cold term. And I'd be the first to admit there will be economic difficulties that come from this, but you the difficulties would be less if we had taken action longer ago in the past, and the difficulties will be even greater if we wait too long to do something about it. 00:59:15 Speaker 2: Now. 00:59:15 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just gonna add Economically, you have a similar dynamic to the invention of the cotton gen in in you know, pre Civil War that in pre Civil War South, that the cotton gin had already been invented, and yet you didn't see the widespread adoption of it because of the system of slavery. And even though the cotton gen ended up becoming far more, far more efficient and obviously cheaper run than having you know, wide fields of workers doing this for you, that because that was the system in place, you know, obviously, you know there's war over it ETCA, we know the history, but in fact there was a system similar to automation technology that had come out that could have actually filled that gap, but for people wanting to do it. 01:00:00 Speaker 5: Rule I think of a lot is that in China you can now find guys who they are working in an office building and they have a robot driven tractor and they're doing it all in this you know. 01:00:11 Speaker 2: Their air conditioning. 01:00:13 Speaker 5: Look, Steve Bennon's going meanwhile, And meanwhile in the US you can find there are some farms where their tractors don't even have a cabin on the top. 01:00:22 Speaker 2: You're up there in the sun all day. 01:00:25 Speaker 5: Having it beat down on you. You don't even have a roof over your head. And when I see that image, all I can think is, does have to just be illegal immigrant or otherwise low paid migrant farm workers where it's just there's no value add to making their lives any better. And by the way, you're correct, this would be automation. 01:00:43 Speaker 2: This would be something where I would be totally okay. 01:00:45 Speaker 3: You know, I know I'm supposed to be like mister conservative or whatever, but I'd be totally okay with the government coming in and providing subsidies to these farms to you know, help them get over because obviously there's gonna be significant capital input during this period. 01:01:00 Speaker 2: I'd be totally fine with. 01:01:02 Speaker 3: I mean, farmers get subjeties already, so it's not like it would be a huge change. But having an additional implement for them to encourage automation and so that they're not you know, having to spend tons and tons of money to be able to do that, but upgrade through automation' that's I think it's going to happen either way, And honestly, I think it's this massive migrant labor force that's here is really the only thing stopping it. 01:01:25 Speaker 14: Yeah, but also like automation and like a perfect world, of course everything that should be automated as possible, people doing dangerous jobs, whatever, but that cost comes back into farmers, farmers who are already struggling to get end me And you're right, but that's. 01:01:39 Speaker 2: What I'm saying. 01:01:40 Speaker 3: I think there could be I would be I would support social programs for that. 01:01:44 Speaker 5: Right now, we're subsidizing healthcare for these illegal immigrants, for subsidizing the education. 01:01:49 Speaker 2: For these illegal immigrants. 01:01:51 Speaker 5: A lot of them, their children are eligible for welfare, and so effectively they're on welfare. Imagine if all the money that's going to that was instead put into a giant bun and we took it to a Silicon Valley firm and said, figure out how this tractor can run itself, and we could. 01:02:05 Speaker 14: And I don't know anything about the welfare side and all of that. 01:02:10 Speaker 2: I'm not going to pretend like. 01:02:11 Speaker 14: I know when you said, all I know is is that it's already a struggle for farmers in general. People are already stop wanting to be farmers in general. Like Fresno State ad capital of California, so much ad goes through that there's less and less people who want to do that stuff because the profit margins are sained. So if we just take away these illegal immigrants, there is no more labor for that. 01:02:35 Speaker 2: And you, I'm not doing it, You're not. Anybody's not. 01:02:39 Speaker 12: No. 01:02:39 Speaker 3: I c clearly agree with you that that farmers absolutely do need to be supported because if you have a country they can't feed itself, then guess what. Let's you know, we were just talking about war and things like that. That actually is a national security issue, among other things, because if that system breaks down, guess what, Now you can't feed your army. Now you can't feed your your defense forces. Is a huge, huge problem. So I agree with you, and it's something where you know, I think that you know, I think that the big factory farming is something that has has also in addition, become an issue with small farmers as well, because it's pushing them out in many cases, and it leads to outcomes that are good friends in the Moham movement would tell us are very unhealthy as well for Americans. So I feel like I feel like there's a lot of room for discussion on this issue, and I would be totally open to helping out. I really would awesome. One more question, small question, just because don't know other people would like to speak. Why do you guys think the way you think? Like we brought up this way. 01:03:39 Speaker 14: Did somebody tell you, like, hey, you should come to this club and hear what these people are thinking? 01:03:45 Speaker 2: Like what happened with me to be? My parents are wingers and I've always been a winger. 01:03:49 Speaker 3: No, it was weird, like when I was born, my dad just put Rush Limbaugh in my crib and no, I'm just kidding. And that No, honestly, I couldn't tell you it just it just you know, neither of my parents were particularly political. They were both registered Democrats at one point, and you know, I could get into a longer story about it. But my town, our hometown, my family's hometown got kind of overrun by crime as I was growing up, and so I sort of lived through the loss of a close knit community where the kids that I grew up with were the sons of the guys that my dad grew up with. And I lived in the same house that my father grew up in and his father had been in, and we'd lost all of that because of crime, because of Section eight, and by the way, it was also turned into a sanctuary city for illegals. And I don't know, I think it was that process of losing all of that that, you know, really just played a huge role in sort of my self formation. 01:04:54 Speaker 2: If you will, Where are you from Norshal, Pennsylvania? 01:04:57 Speaker 15: Oh? 01:04:58 Speaker 2: Yeah, to add a. 01:04:59 Speaker 5: Little bit, just because it might be relevant. So I guess the reason I wouldn't just rebel against my parents the way some people do. 01:05:06 Speaker 2: I think it. 01:05:06 Speaker 5: Mattered a lot that my parents could explain what they believed to some extent. I do remember my dad explain to me that democrats take money from the people who earn it and give it to the people who don't. 01:05:16 Speaker 2: He made my sister recite that, but he could explain it. 01:05:20 Speaker 5: But then also that they really you could see every day that this, you know, for example, we were religious and went to church. I think a lot of people grow up in houses where, you know, maybe their parents will tell them you can't do that, or you know, their parents will say they're Christian, but they've never seen their parents go to church, for example, that it mattered to my parents that we go every week, that you live your life accordingly, and I think, say, seeing your parents be consistent about the values they hold and then you know, be pillars of their community and all of that, which my parents are, that's what keeps That's certainly what kept me from feeling any big temptation to just overthrow that or throw it out, because I could see my parents were great people, and. 01:06:02 Speaker 2: So let's let that be a lesson to all of us that've met. Blake's parents are pretty cool. Miner cool too, though, but Blakes are cool minorre cooler, all right, You guys are doing an awesome thing. Thank you very much for conversation, thank you for your yeah, great questions. Thank you. Hello. I just want to say thanks miss together. 01:06:21 Speaker 16: I don't agree with a lot of what you guys say, but I'm very pro free speak. 01:06:25 Speaker 2: It's very important. 01:06:27 Speaker 3: I disagree with this guy constantly, so I'm right there with you all the time. 01:06:31 Speaker 16: I wanted to hear about your guys' opinion on like I guess, the broadening of like America's involvement in regime change, and whether or not you. 01:06:38 Speaker 2: Think that it's a good or a bad idea. 01:06:42 Speaker 16: From Venezuela to Iran, and the possible like invasion of carg Island and the current blockade of like oil in Cuba. 01:06:54 Speaker 3: Well, I I'd love if I could just real quickly mention on on the Venezuela question, because on this if people don't know, Venezuela recently had President Trump. You know, we all woke up one day and found that President Trump had arrested the leader of Venezuela, as you do, and and that. 01:07:10 Speaker 2: He had been extradited to the United States. He's in New York. He's now, you know, standing trial. 01:07:16 Speaker 3: But I remember saying that day, and I think I tweeted this, I said, is it really regime change if you just get rid of one guy? Because what's interesting in Venezuela is that the regime does still largely, you know, remain in place. It is still intact. It's just that one guy has left. Dlsea Rodriguez is still kind of on top of that. Stephen Miller was, you know, kind of pressed about this when he went on with Jake Taper on CNN and and they because because Taper was saying, you know, are you going to do elections? 01:07:44 Speaker 2: Are you gonna hold this, You're gonna have that? 01:07:45 Speaker 3: And Steven said, no, no, we're we're not going to change any of that. We are arresting one guy and we're going to leave it out. And I thought that was an interesting in between model, because you know, you're you know, I think what you're getting at is this question, are we going to have these regime change wars Iraq in Afghanistan like we saw in the past, which I think many people rightly view as disastrous as wasteful, not just in terms of time and money, but also in terms of American lives and the lives of the locals, which you know, arguably we're not bettered in any regard to this. I found it interesting, you know, too early to tell. I suppose you know, it just happened in terms of Venezuela. Now, I'm not going to dodge the other questions. I just wanted to say that I thought that was an interesting in between. Now whether or not there will be other in between Cuba you mentioned, although it does look like something very you know, very soon will happen in Cuba, and then Iran is kind of the bigger question. 01:08:41 Speaker 2: Do you want to take the Iran start on that? 01:08:42 Speaker 5: Well, I mean Iran, it's I think you pointed out a good point, which is there's that split that President Trump has embraced that there's a difference between regime change and nation building because nation building is what transition. Yeah, nation building is what got us in all these disastrous conflicts that were very, very long. They had open ended, non existent victory conditions. Oh, you know, we'll stay in Afghanistan until we win. What does winning look like? 01:09:09 Speaker 2: We don't know. 01:09:10 Speaker 5: And because it required a lot of Americans there, we lost thousands of American lives and the President has charted out a different path, where he says, I don't actually care about the nation building part of it. I care about having friendlier governments that are more accommodating to us instead of these hostile ones that are sending drugs or constantly flaring up crises in their region. Now, on the specific Iran thing. 01:09:38 Speaker 2: I think we warned, we've been very. 01:09:41 Speaker 5: Cautious about that one, that there's a lot of reasons to be skeptical of escalating our involvement in Iran. Charlie warned that about that a lot. I share his concerns about that. What I would say about the President and this particular decision he made is we've been around the block a few times with the President Trump, specifically on Iran. We had a war scare in twenty nineteen when they I think they shot down one of our robots, and then in twenty twenty after Solo Money, and then last summer with the midnight hammer bombing, and every single time people thought, oh man, Donald Trump is escalating, He's going to plunge us into a war, and every single time he pulled back and nothing came of it. And the fact that he chose differently this time, I think we should entertain the possibility that he had a very good reason for doing that, And we'll know more when it's all. 01:10:32 Speaker 2: Said and done. For now, the war did begin. 01:10:36 Speaker 5: The I support the US winning wars once we're in them, but there's of course room to debate it and question it, and I think we'll have that fully hashed out in the weeks to come. 01:10:47 Speaker 16: All Right, I just want to touch on Venezuela for a second. I did also find it very interesting how we didn't really change any regime in Iran and we just kind of changed it. 01:10:54 Speaker 2: From a Venezuela leaving it or ven as will. 01:10:57 Speaker 16: Yeah, we just changed it from a Chinese dictatorship, a Chinese backed dictatorship, to like an American backed one because. 01:11:04 Speaker 2: We just brought in the VP. I think Delia forgot her name, del Rodriguez. Yeah, my bat No, you're you're great man. It's great. 01:11:14 Speaker 16: And do you think because I know people have been talking about it, the Department of War has been uh, the question has been raised about like a troop invasion of carg Island on. 01:11:25 Speaker 17: The straight of horror moves. 01:11:28 Speaker 16: Would that be a step too far in terms of American foreign policy? 01:11:33 Speaker 2: Well, I mean step too far is is. 01:11:35 Speaker 3: You know, it depends on whether you mean in terms of political opinion, depends on whether or not you mean in terms of military operation. In terms of military operation, Could the United States do it? Yes, the United States could do it. Would it be easy to hold? No, would not be easy to hold because it's in within it's within conventional artillery range of the of Iran proper, so of the mainland. 01:11:56 Speaker 2: So I mean they could. 01:11:58 Speaker 3: You wouldn't even need miss I mean obviously the have thrones as well, but conventional artillery would be able to range whatever those forces are, So it would be hard to hold. 01:12:06 Speaker 2: You has to be very hard to hold. 01:12:07 Speaker 3: I've actually outlined, and I've said this number of times Fox News and other places that I've been that you actually wouldn't necessarily if your goal is to neutralize Carg Island and control Carg Island in terms of bottle up the oil flow out of there, then there are numerous ways to do that that don't involve boats on the ground. Obviously, cyber warfare is something the United States has been perfecting. 01:12:29 Speaker 2: Was used in Venezuela. 01:12:31 Speaker 3: I mean, anything that's got a computer in it, you turn it off and then immediately, Guess what if those ships can't load and unload, Guess you just stopped the oil flow and without a single boot on the ground. Also, as a Navy guy, I have to say that also if you take out the piers, then again the ships. 01:12:45 Speaker 2: Don't have the ability to load and unload. 01:12:47 Speaker 3: But the larger oil infrastructure is still in you know, still intact and could be you know, fixed at a later date. So there are numerous options available. And when it comes to this, you know, I think we have to see whether or not the president is using this just to you know, he's obviously he's obviously deploying troops. 01:13:04 Speaker 2: There's no question about that. 01:13:05 Speaker 3: We have two marine expeditory units and he used about twenty five hundred each that are headed over. There's some indications that some other special forces units eighty second Airborne another may have been called up. We'll see, you know, we'll certainly see what the plan is. To Blake's point, we've seen the president push and push and push to the brink and then get to a desired end state and pull back. And part of me thinks that we're probably going to see something like that again. And look, we saw the president this morning, he's talking about partial cease fire and talking about actual conversations that are going on, possibly indirectly with Iranian leadership, and Iran says. 01:13:44 Speaker 2: Well, there are no talks, and it's like, well no. 01:13:45 Speaker 3: Because he's talking to the Egyptians and then the Egyptians are called you know, that kind of thing is going on, and so I broadly would be very supportive of a deal in this. 01:13:53 Speaker 2: Really, let's see if we can get at least two more I think are we are we on time? How are we doing on time? Guys? We got all thirty minutes? All right, well, yeah, let's let's we'll do them. But then we'll try to keep them shorter. Thank you very much, by the way, will and we'll keep our answers shorter into Ahdi. What's your name? Hi? I'm Leila, Hi, Leila La? What's your question? Sorry? 01:14:21 Speaker 12: I like did not come in here planning to ask a question. Sorry about it, kind of like really nervously sweating right now. 01:14:28 Speaker 2: You have nothing to be nerves here. 01:14:29 Speaker 12: You're doing fantastic anyways, I, like I said, I wasn't really planning on like asking anything. I just came here to gain some perspective. But something that you said, Jack intrigued me when you were asked when you're discussing like the future of agricultural labor and you're talking about things like AI based alternatives and automated systems. I am a graduate student in sustainability. I graduated with my Bachelors of Science and sustain ability as well, so I'm in a lot of like climate related spaces, I suppose, and even though I'm still only a student, I've been able to learn from some really incredible researchers and scientists and pioneers and all kinds of ecological related fields. 01:15:17 Speaker 2: So this is more of like a. 01:15:18 Speaker 12: General question, like you can answer in whatever way makes sense to you. But I was wondering what your general take on climate change is and how you think the current administration is handling it, and do you believe that the techno optimism perspective is a concrete enough solution to depend on in the future, even if we don't really know what that'll look like even ten years from now, much less fifty. 01:15:44 Speaker 3: Yeah, No, that great question. I would generally say I'm a techno optimist. Gen four nuclear power is something that I'm totally behind. I think it's great again, So I mentioned I shart in the Navy, and in the Navy we use Gen one nuclear power and Gen two and Gen three, and so we have we have such an experience of operating nuclear power plants, you know, on our ships, and so are so are submarines. 01:16:08 Speaker 2: Every single submarine the United States Navy has. I'm just sorrying from my background. So that's why I'm going there. 01:16:12 Speaker 12: That's so cool because like nuclear came from submarines. 01:16:17 Speaker 3: That's how Sorry Hymen Ricover, Yeah, yeah, sorry, no, you're fine on yeah. So, so it was it was Hymen Rickover, the incredible American officer who understood the nuclear Navy and the power of it because realizing that with with nuclear power on the ships and then the subs, eventually that you could essentially have a submarine that would stay or a ship that could stay on station indefinitely, and your only limit on that is actually the sailors. So food, you know, oxygen, et cetera, which, of course with AI is going to be the next you know, the next bridge that we cross. 01:16:53 Speaker 2: So we're going to get to the point. 01:16:54 Speaker 3: I think we're probably already at the point where I know they've said the last the last fighter pilot has already been born, or the last submarine or has probably already been born. It's it's it's just gonna happen. Same with you know, aircraft carriers as well. And so you we have such an experience with nuclear in the Navy, and a very safe experience, by the way, that I really do think that it's time to start getting gen for a nuclear power back into the mainland. 01:17:21 Speaker 2: And this is something. 01:17:22 Speaker 3: Where you know, obviously there's gonna be people who disagree on renewables and disagree on certain things, but because you know, one of the questions, of course is do you get enough power from renewables And just right now we're not quite there yet in terms of the power export that we're able to access from there. 01:17:40 Speaker 2: That's why that's why. 01:17:41 Speaker 3: We're seeing the around war right now, right That's why it's natural gas and oil. That's why gas prices are the way they are. And I've said for a long time that if we just we may I mean think of it. Right, we found these magical rocks that give us free energy forever. And then we had some incident while we were learning to use the magic rocks, and so we buried them and stopped using them, and I just think that's kind of wrong. And so I think that techno optimism absolutely is something that I'm one hundred percent behind. 01:18:12 Speaker 2: I think that it's something. 01:18:13 Speaker 3: Where you can marry these concerns about climate change with the future and also with people who would just want to see and make sure that we maintain enough energy to not only maintain our standard of living and Blake, you were talking about this on the podcast the other day, but also expand and progress our standard of living. 01:18:32 Speaker 5: I would just say we've never degrowthed our way out of any big problem. And if you look at where the biggest innovations are coming, which would include anything that would resolve global warming or any environmental problem, it's actually coming from the countries that have the most energy production because those are the most innovative and productive. So stuff comes out of the United States, it comes out of China, because where the nations that generate the most power generate the most innovation. 01:18:58 Speaker 2: And we should care about the environment. 01:19:00 Speaker 5: We have to be stewards as Christians, we believe in stewardship, but we are not going to achieve that by taking this anti civilizational posture that I think a lot of people do. 01:19:10 Speaker 2: I think a lot of. 01:19:12 Speaker 5: Hostility towards hostility towards electricity, hostility towards industry ultimately just becomes hostility towards prosperity itself. And we can't go down that path. That's the path of failure. It's the path of the path of being Britain. 01:19:28 Speaker 3: I don't want to be like being the UK, but I think I'm also just just to add one of the reasons that Greenland comes up so much is because you're starting to see and we and we're seeing the reduction in northern sea ice and the fact that those waterways are now opening up across the across the north the North Pole is going to be not only going to lead to the economics of the future, it's going to lead to wars of the future. It's why Russia is building megaports on their northern tier, and it's it's clearly some thing that's driving you know, people say, why is President Trump talking about Greenland? 01:20:03 Speaker 2: And I bring up some of these issues and they say, oh wow, I never thought of it that way. Alrighty, hey, let's sell ye, thank you so much. We probably we promise we'll be shorter and we were not sure. We're a way short. Let's see if we can. Let's see if we can be better on this. She hasked. 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Just go to y refi dot com and tell them your friend Andrews sent. 01:21:18 Speaker 2: Your what's question I've said a new rule. Okay, Hi, my name is kat Ellison. Thank you so much for coming to ASU. And my question is what is something that you would like to see more out of the Trump administration. See, that's a good question. Again, it's a deportations, more deportations. Yeah, I'd like to see it. Yeah, I would like to see more home building. I really liked Charlie's idea shot build ten million. 01:21:46 Speaker 3: Twenty first century housing actors, and I like that It's not the moonshot, but it's it's getting there. 01:21:51 Speaker 5: I just am I'm in favor of a country that builds stuff, and I think we should make it as easy as possible for not just you don't need the government to do it, for private actors to build things in America. 01:22:02 Speaker 2: I think we. 01:22:03 Speaker 5: Should see it as a huge failure every time. It should be nationally humiliating that that bridge in Baltimore got knocked over by a boat. I think two or three years ago it still isn't replaced. I think the timeline is twenty and thirty now. And similarly, they're trying to build a microchip plant in New York. It's been held up by I think a nonprofit that's funded by China and has six people in it, and they've held that up. 01:22:26 Speaker 2: For a few years. 01:22:27 Speaker 5: At this point, that should be a national crisis, and the biggest one is housing. 01:22:31 Speaker 2: It should be the simplest. 01:22:32 Speaker 5: Thing in the world to build enough houses, enough apartments, enough condos, enough take your pick, to have an affordable option for everyone in this country. And it is purely a regulatory failure in my opinion that we have you know what. 01:22:46 Speaker 2: Else would help with housing deportations. That is true, and it is there. We are. Thank you, thank you so much, thank you. 01:22:58 Speaker 18: Hey, gentleman, is Danny and I'm a freshman here at ASU and I'm studying marine biology. 01:23:04 Speaker 2: I wanted to talk a little bit. 01:23:05 Speaker 12: Wait. 01:23:05 Speaker 2: Wait, you're studying marine biology in the desert, right? 01:23:08 Speaker 4: Oh? 01:23:08 Speaker 2: I have a lot we haven't. That's the first time you've heard that in Florida though. Oh okay, okay, I will so you hold on. 01:23:16 Speaker 19: Wait you're from Florida for this, and you you moved to the desert to study marina. 01:23:21 Speaker 2: Okay, No, I'm just are you done? Can I ask? I'm not judged, not judge. 01:23:24 Speaker 5: She was choosing between that and you Miami's desert, you know program. 01:23:28 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay. 01:23:30 Speaker 18: So I wanted to speak a little bit on the killing of Sheridan Gorman, an eighteen year old from Yorktown and a freshman at Leola Chicago. Yes, why does it feel like cases like this don't get national attention or public acknowledgment from major political figures, especially those with ties to the community, someone like AOC who is from Sheridan's hometown in high school. And also, should there be more pressure on leaders like AOC to address this? 01:23:56 Speaker 2: Absolutely? 01:23:57 Speaker 5: I think the reason we've gotten better about high lighting them. The Trump administration, to its credit, has highlighted incidents like that. They had a case similar to her, as with Arena Zarutska, they had her family members at the State of the Union. We should highlight these because they're not. There will be crimes in any country, There will be murder victims in any country, but there is a special type of failure that comes from letting a person into your country who then murders someone here. Because you can control who comes into your country, every single person who comes from America, we should be looking at them and saying does this person make America better? 01:24:34 Speaker 2: Or will this person make America worse? 01:24:36 Speaker 5: And for decades on end our leadership class, in particular among Democrats. Many Republicans are implicated. They abdicated that responsibility. They abdicated their responsibility to their citizens to make sure that the people coming into this country made this country better. And they did it because it allowed a few people to make a quick buck, It allowed some people to feel morally superior, like they were good people, and frankly, it allowed some people to get power. A lot of people do this because they see it as a way to entrench themselves in power by replacing the people already in this country. And so absolutely it should be called out as much as possible because it's exceptionally evil what these people have done. That right now, if you go to an airport in this country, you might have to wait an extra hour or two hour or three hours because they are currently refusing to fund DHS, and they are refusing to fund DHS because they are angry that ICE might deport someone like the illegal immigrant who killed that woman. 01:25:34 Speaker 2: And this is happening over and over again, and it should be highlighted every single time. 01:25:38 Speaker 3: I'll also I'll mention that this is a failure on the right, and it's a failure of conservative media as well, because so you look at a situation like Alex pretty or remember the Marilyn man Rigo Garcia who is actually being deported. Now if I remember the latest on this, that when one of those situations happens, you know, and it's and the left has the ability to portray a victim of the right. What you'll see them do is they will go up to every single senator on the right, every Republican, They'll go up to people in conservative media. They'll go up to every single do you agree with this, do you denounce this? 01:26:16 Speaker 2: Are you okay with this? Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, over and over and over. 01:26:20 Speaker 3: And this is a failure, I think on our side because we don't do that. With what you just said about AOC and why isn't she bringing this up? Conservative media doesn't do this enough. We just don't do it enough because it requires having Now that's also part of the there's also an issue of scale there because they just have more reporters and they can hang people out at the you know, at the Capitol building or other parts of DC, et cetera, just to be able to. 01:26:45 Speaker 2: Do that all day. 01:26:47 Speaker 3: And this is this is why one of the things that I I've always appreciated Charlie for in Turning Point for was investing in new media and investing in those enterprises, building up grassroots, building up individuals to be able to Nick Shirley, you know, you look at something that people can do on a regular basis that would not have existed in the past. 01:27:06 Speaker 2: So you're absolutely right. You're absolutely right that it's a problem, but it is a problem that we're seeing improvement on. We are Thank you, gentlemen, Thank you very much. Hi. 01:27:21 Speaker 15: My name is Ocean Rosso and I'm a Turning Point Chapter president in my community and I've had the honor of speaking to thousands all across this state. But one issue I see come up again and again specifically in my generation is an apathy when it comes to freedom or the Constitution or even the conservative movement from both liberals and conservatives in this movement. So my question is, how do you believe it is best for us to combat this apathy and save freedom. 01:27:47 Speaker 3: Well, I think you know that's a great question, and of course we've got the shirts on and this was the shirt that Charlie you. 01:27:53 Speaker 2: Know, was wearing that day, and we sort of talked about it at the you know, I get it right. 01:28:03 Speaker 3: The reason that people are saying, well they say, people are saying, the system is messed up. So why should I support that thing on the wall over there. That's the system that got us here, so I should be against that. 01:28:13 Speaker 2: And who cares? 01:28:14 Speaker 3: Because if that system brought us to this, then what good was the system? 01:28:16 Speaker 2: Right? That's usually what you get your response, and. 01:28:21 Speaker 3: When you look at the building blocks of that and you you know, Blake and I were just talking about it at the outset here and we talked about what happened to Charlie. That's what happens when you move outside that system. That when you move outside that system and you stop having dialogue and you stop having conversation, and you stop having debate like we have had tonight. We've had disagreement, and you know, Blake and I'm sure it'll be disagreeing all night, as we do in our in our chat rooms and all the rest of it. 01:28:49 Speaker 2: But the point is is that this is the system. 01:28:53 Speaker 3: That brought us to these incredible dizzying heights that we have as a country, as the Unit's Aids of America, and we should probably be very careful about being so cavalier about just chopping it down and getting rived, because this is the system that brought us to where we are. And so, you know, I think that Charlie would say, use that story, use his story as an example to point out the dangers of losing the First Amendment or deciding to step beyond voting and dialogue and peace because of how bad things can get and how things can get very quickly. 01:29:35 Speaker 2: And there were a lot of and by the way, I would say this, and I said this to. 01:29:38 Speaker 3: A lot of media, and you're not saying this, but I'll say this again that you know there were people who there are people constantly if you guys, you know, if you're here on the right, if you're part of turning point, they'll say, oh, you conservatives, you're so violent, You're always you're always practicing violence, promoting violence. 01:29:53 Speaker 2: Right wing violence is the greatest threat to America. 01:29:55 Speaker 3: And I always say this, I say really really, because if that were true, and if we were really the people that you say we are, then look at how we responded to Charlie Kirk, did we respond with violence in that situation when we were visited with violence? 01:30:08 Speaker 2: No, we did not respond with violence. What do we respond with? We responded with prayers. 01:30:13 Speaker 3: We responded with togetherness, we responded with unity, responded with peace. I came here to Asu to that incredible prayer visual that we had. 01:30:21 Speaker 2: We got together and we prayed. That is who we are. 01:30:24 Speaker 3: And so it's it's it's something where yes, the media is also part of that First Amendment, don't we love them? 01:30:31 Speaker 2: But that's it's again, it's. 01:30:33 Speaker 3: Part of the system, so that we have that push and pull and we don't have one side just dominating over the other. 01:30:39 Speaker 2: And so. 01:30:41 Speaker 3: Use real life examples like that of things that are incredibly relevant, and you know, Luigi Maggioni, Thomas Matthew, Matthew Crooks, we can you know, you can point to. Unfortunately, I'm sure there'll be more incidents of violence that come up because when you. 01:30:58 Speaker 2: Walk away from this, that's where you get thank you. Thank you very much. Hi. 01:31:13 Speaker 20: My name is Charlie and I apply to be a field rep. And I was just asking, let's go what advice you have? 01:31:21 Speaker 18: Thank you. 01:31:24 Speaker 20: I was just gonna ask, like, what advice you have for somebody like me who applied for like tabling and dealing with backlash on campus. 01:31:34 Speaker 5: I mean, what's the advice Charlie would give us. You've always lost when you get angry. 01:31:39 Speaker 2: Yeah, never get angry, he would always say that. 01:31:42 Speaker 3: You know, never you know, never be in a situation where you are you know, you're content, you're being overwhelmed. Never allow the emotions of the moment to overwhelm you, to say here I am, oh my gosh, I'm feeling this certain way, or this question is making me so upset, or this person is making me so upset. 01:32:02 Speaker 2: Maintain your frame right, maintain your frame, don't get frame mogged. 01:32:05 Speaker 3: Don't get frame mogged. Maintain your frame, whole frame. And at the same time, just remember you know. 01:32:14 Speaker 2: You're out there. 01:32:15 Speaker 3: Representing TPUSA, You're out there representing the premier conservative organization and youth organization on the face of the planet, and that you've got the full faith and full force of Turning Point behind you. 01:32:28 Speaker 2: And should something happen, hey man, get it on film, and we're going to be able to take care of you. We're going to be able. 01:32:35 Speaker 3: To be there and have your back if something, you know, we've had people knock over tables and things like that, and I'm not saying that's going to happen, but if it were, you know, don't get frustrated, don't get flustered, get evidence, get it on tape, get receipts, and we're going to film that. But at the same time, it's it's maintaining that outlook of being a happy warrior, right, And that's that's how Charlie was. 01:32:56 Speaker 2: He was the happy warrior. He would go out there. 01:32:59 Speaker 3: He loved debating, and I think that's what turning points all about, being happy and believing I can I can dip into anger myself at times. And it's it's something that I've tried to advice for myself too, is that, Hey, if you're going to be out there doing a turning point event, do it like Charlie would do it with do it with kindness, do it with grace. 01:33:17 Speaker 2: And I think that's what he always tried to lead with. Charlie always he would tell me. 01:33:22 Speaker 5: Actually, I think this was the first time I ever traveled with him, and he told me, Blake, if I'm feeling sad, I just decide not to be sad and then I'm not sad and not what I'm drinking. Dude, I thought, Okay, that doesn't make a lot of sense. I'm not sure I believe him, but he actually it was. 01:33:37 Speaker 2: It was true. 01:33:38 Speaker 5: He actually he was a strong believer that you can you can choose how you react to things. You can choose the attitude that you bring into things. And that's probably very difficult the first time you do it, maybe the first twenty times you do it, but it is a skill that can be built over time. And one of the things I had, you know, I worked with Charlie for three years and what I grew to admire the most in him was that sort of discipline that I saw. You can meet a million people who are smart and then their lives are a disaster. But it was that Charlie was the absolute master of having discipline over his feelings, discipline over his reaction to things, discipline over how he over the things he could control in his life he exerted maximum power over and the things that he couldn't control in his life. 01:34:26 Speaker 2: He left to God that congratulations, thank you for stepping up too. I think we have eight minutes now, We're gonna make you guys. We're gonna make it all right. Let's speed around, let's go. How's it going, guys. My name is Landon. 01:34:43 Speaker 17: This is not as much of like a question, it kind of is, but it's also like a debate topic as well. 01:34:49 Speaker 2: Charlie blessed his soul. 01:34:51 Speaker 17: This is something I've always wanted to debate him, and it's like how to raise your kids. Because I knew that Charlie was a huge advocate of being like a strict parent, and because I remember when he was on the George Jenko Show. He said in that the podcast episode that the kids that always went out and did drugs and drinking and stuff were the ones that had not very strict parents, and the strict and the kids that had strict parents, you know, they would always be afraid that, you know, their mom or dad would kill them if they ever did something like that. But personally, for me, as someone who didn't have particularly strict parents, I never went out and drank or did drugs or anything. So I'm I'm kind of like more of an advocate of I also am an advocate of like you know, strict parenting causes sneaky kids because I have seen it before. 01:35:40 Speaker 2: So I'm kind of more of an advocate. 01:35:42 Speaker 17: Of like obviously being you know, you need to be strict at times, but always like, you know, be there for your kids. Because my parenting situation was is they would my parents would say, you know, if you ever go out to a party and get drunk or something, just know we may not agree with what you're doing, but just know that we are here for you because we and if you need to talk to us, or like, if you're at a party in a bad situation, call us, because we would rather us come pick you up and you get home safely then you not come home at all. So that's kind of my view on parenting personally. I just kind of wanted to know your thoughts on that. 01:36:16 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm kind of heterodox on this and I don't think that, and I've thought about these things a lot. 01:36:25 Speaker 2: And as a dad, I think about this all the time, obviously, but. 01:36:28 Speaker 3: I think that different kids, different people have different kids, and different kids need different outcomes, and I don't think parenting is a one size fits all thing. I don't think I've ever actually said this publicly, but you know, you mentioned it. It's been something i've been thinking about for a while, and I don't think there is any one answer that's gonna, oh this is going to set your kid on the straight and narrow. I mean, I think there's you know, generally good principles. But at the same time, I just think different kids are different, and so what you have to do more than anything, before you even start applying one of these systems that people sell to their kids is you have to meet your kids. Meet them where they are, understand them, try to know them as they are, and don't try to, you know, you know, mold them into exactly what you want them to be, but also coach them and if that makes sense, and and find out what they are specifically talented at or skilled at, or what they gravitate towards, and then use that to say, okay, these are the best ways you can You can use your talent for good, whether it's something that I want or not. 01:37:33 Speaker 2: And hopefully it's something I want and. 01:37:35 Speaker 3: You can and and you can do that unless less of course, it's being a libtard. 01:37:39 Speaker 2: But as long as you're. 01:37:41 Speaker 3: Patriots, and and I do think that's that's the best way. So strict versus not strict, No, that being said. One thing that I would add, though, is you can be you can have friendly relationships with your children, and you should. You want your kid to be at what's the metric you want your kid to be able to be to enjoy quiet moments with you and just feel that comfort. But at the same time, you can't do that at the cost of stopping being a father or a mother to your kid. 01:38:13 Speaker 2: Is that you have to be mom and dad. You cannot be you know, I'm just friends with my kids. I'm gonna let him do whatever. It's like. 01:38:21 Speaker 3: Nah, that ain't it, because because kids can't be free range, it don't work. 01:38:25 Speaker 2: Yeah. I agree. Yeah, there's a there's a much longer topic there. But it's a good question. I said bad questions. These are good questions. What's happening? This audience is fired, Get out of here, all right, this is our last time. All right, we go. A lucky you, Hi, I'm lucky on your shirt? Yeah, a lucky guy. There we go. 01:38:44 Speaker 10: I had two questions, but I'll ask them really quick and you can answer however you want to. The first question was regarding it was mentioned about automization in regards to farming, and then AI and other stuff like that. I don't want to make assumptions, but to be quick, I'm just going to real quick. 01:38:58 Speaker 2: I would. 01:39:00 Speaker 10: In general, when it comes to like, I guess kind of protectionist policies to protect American labor while also being in favor of like free markets, economic growth and protecting labor, there seems to be like a conflict with automization and AI with the potential for people. 01:39:17 Speaker 2: To lose jobs. 01:39:20 Speaker 10: And then there's also the potential where subsidizing certain industries could probably cause economic dissatisfaction with like taxes. How can you deal with both of these situations together without like guess, losing any type of core values or principles about certain economic policies. And then the other one was regarding political violence is like a serious problem in the country, and so as with like radical beliefs, and it seems to be like a problem that comes on a lot more because of like online discourses. I have friends who are conservative, I have friends who are liberal. They don't ever say anything crazy about political violence. But then you online and you see people from either both sides or presenting as being both sides, saying really not good things and promoting certain ideas. What would you say the solution for that is and do you think that there needs to be more cooperation and like outreach between people with different ideas to have a greater conversations and tolerance with each other. 01:40:23 Speaker 5: Well, we might have to really blitz this one, I mean the political violence one. Obviously, I think discourse like this public spaces that has to help you. Actually, it is deeply humanizing to actually engage in dialogue in real life with people, not just on the internet. Call it the grass touching principle. 01:40:42 Speaker 2: You get to see. 01:40:44 Speaker 3: It's something that you know, kind of in the wake of Charlie's murder that I thought about more as well, is that when you're online, as you say, you know, that person isn't like Charlie, the human being who has. 01:40:58 Speaker 2: A wife and kids. It's it's oh, there's that guy, Charlie Kirk. I hate that guy. He's always talking to his hate He's always so bad. I got to stop him. I've got to find a way to stop him. 01:41:09 Speaker 3: But you know, I wish that Tyler Robinson had just come to the event and stood in line and you know, had a debate with the guy rather than doing what he did, because I think that it just it to Blake's point, it humanizes you unless you see that the other person. We did it earlier today with the unef America people where we got out, we had a conversation. We were actually able to provide them some information that they didn't have, and they actually kind of apologized, and I think she deleted Blake and she would delete something and she did so, you know, it would have been easy for us and probably would have gotten more clicks out of it if we just went and started yelling at each other. But you know, what's really better for the country ultimately, And I think that's what leads to places where you get more political violence. 01:41:53 Speaker 2: Yeah. 01:41:54 Speaker 10: Yeah, that was like one of the problems with like one of the things that bothered me with after the murder of Charlie Kirk. I didn't see any people that I personally knew like celebrating or like saying like, oh, we need a civil war to get back at people. But then online you would see people who are very upset on both things saying something that they would never say to people in person, really, and I feel like that's a bad problem. And then I feel like it also has the effect of like really ramping people up who don't go outside and spend all their time on online spaces. 01:42:21 Speaker 2: Can I actually can I actually combine your questions? 01:42:24 Speaker 12: Yeah? 01:42:24 Speaker 2: Yeahely. 01:42:25 Speaker 3: So what's interesting is that, you know, did you think those two things related at all? 01:42:31 Speaker 10: Partially with like AI and liked So. 01:42:33 Speaker 2: I think they are. I think that political violence. 01:42:36 Speaker 3: And economic upheaval are actually related. And I think that you see this in the past as well, like during the Industrial Revolution, So the just revolution happens, we're living through the technological revolution. Now what happens right after the Industrial Revolution, like massive Bolshevik uprisings across Europe. 01:42:56 Speaker 2: It leads to World War Two, and you see reprisals, et cetera. 01:43:00 Speaker 3: And prior to that, you see this this wave of hyperviolence across Europe and even here in the United States. 01:43:05 Speaker 2: We go into the eighteen hundreds, we. 01:43:07 Speaker 3: Had a radical socialist murderer president, which we don't talk about at all, but right there in New York State, in Buffalo, New York, we had a you know, huge bombings on Wall Street and Chicago and which we don't really talk about anymore. And I think a lot of that was caused by economic upheople. So I'm not saying that the Internet discourse doesn't play a role, but we did see political violence during another period when we were going through an economic what would you call it a shift to change, you know, an economic revolution like the industrial revolution, and so because it just leads to you know, massive, massive wealth inequalities. And I know I've said that around some people and they say, oh, Jack, you can't talk about that. That's Karl Marx talk. And it's like, well, no, I'm not saying that I want communism. I'm just saying that economics obviously plays a huge role in all of this. When you look at Tyler Robinson, this was a downwardly mobile white male student who looked like he had been decently you know, intelligent, but you know, I guess was a college dropout or was like going to you know, not his original college. You see the same thing with Thomas Matthew Crooks, the guy who tried to shoot President Trump. Luigi Maggioni was a guy who went to the Ivy League university, was extremely privileged, and yet you know, at the same time he also you know, goes off the deep end, and it's like off in Japan trying to find himself in doing drugs, and so when you live through these times of upheaval, it leads to radical decisions and radical acts. And so I'm not saying that. 01:44:42 Speaker 2: You know, oh, we'll just stop that and it all go away. No, But you know, as. 01:44:46 Speaker 3: As a movement, it's something where when Blake is talking about how we need more housing, when we need to actually relieve some of these economic pressures that have been faced, that I actually think that all in the you know, in the wash, it will actually help. 01:45:01 Speaker 2: With the political violence problem. Okay. And with that being said, that's sort of in the long term. 01:45:07 Speaker 3: In the short term, you have to crack down very very severely on anyone who's committing or planning political violence. 01:45:14 Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. 01:45:16 Speaker 10: One last thing on that is with it could be argued or like talked about about like certain economic policies and then certain ways that the direction is headed. And then with the Internet, people have been increasingly detached from like in person connections and like not in their communities. How would you say that is affected like people turning towards like politically like violent or like radical ideas well. 01:45:43 Speaker 3: So what you're happening we've seen happen now is people's identities are changing in the sense that you know, people used to identify with Like I just told that story about how identified with my hometown and that was like a big thing for me growing up that we all knew each other. And then you look at how people live now. They were so atomized when people don't know their neighbors. And this is largely due towards to the internal migrations that have taken place as people are moving from from city to city to find better work over and over, those communities at scale are just smashed up, and so you're living in this situation where you know, people are moving to places where they don't have these great communities. 01:46:19 Speaker 2: So that's why. 01:46:22 Speaker 3: And I was mentioning this before that, you know, sort of in the wake of Charlie's murder, I've been reflecting on his interest and why he spends so much time being on campus and building campus organizations and doing it in person because I used to think. I used to think I would say, well, why not just use the internet, why not just use social media? 01:46:41 Speaker 2: You can do all this online. Why you know, it's so much time and so much effort, as the internet is evil. 01:46:46 Speaker 3: Jack, But no, it's it's because of this, It's because I realized that there's another layer to it, where Charlie was building human communities, and he was working to build human communities, and obviously, like I'd be remiss, I didn't say that church is a huge example of a human community, which obviously it's a human community that's connecting you with God, which is quite possibly the highest possible human community. And so we absolutely need to do better at building those human communities, human communities that connect us with God, like churches, but at the same time just getting to places where we can go out and just be in public with people once again, as opposed to this atomized online you know PDP warfare all the time. 01:47:30 Speaker 10: Yeah, as a cybersecurity student, it's really interesting, like hearing I guess the effects of learning about them and thank you for speaking on them, being here and having answering questions. 01:47:42 Speaker 2: Thank you and thank you for being patient. 01:47:45 Speaker 19: How do you guys think Blake ANDFT did this is the first one? 01:47:48 Speaker 2: Can you believe that I think he does? All right? 01:47:54 Speaker 3: I want to say thank you so much guys for being being a great audience. I asked for bad questions unfortunately did not listen and all of your questions were phenomenal, and thank you to you know, the entire team that put this on, that put it made it together. That I know, there's a lot of volunteers, there's a lot of tech work that went into it. 01:48:11 Speaker 2: So let's give a hand with thee Let's. 01:48:13 Speaker 19: Give yeah, let's give a hand to the text roll all the volunteers and the local grab had that we had no problems. And by the way, and of course to the law enforcement and security for keeping us all safe today. A lot of times, we know, we know a lot of times that law enforcement gets uh you know, it gets gets painted with a bat brush and a broad brush these days, and I think that's that's absurd because these are people that are, by the way when when nine one one calls, these are the people who come running. 01:48:47 Speaker 2: And you should always thank a person who's willing to do that very much everybody. 01:48:59 Speaker 3: And on that I have to run to the airport and I really hope that I don't run into one of Blake's TSA lines. 01:49:10 Speaker 13: For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to Charliekirk dot com.