Joe Kent and Tyler Robinson

00:00:03 Speaker 1: My name is Charlie Kirk. I run the largest pro American student organization in the country, fighting for the future of our republic. 00:00:11 Speaker 2: My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth. 00:00:14 Speaker 1: If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're gonna end up miserable. But if the most important thing is doing good, you'll end up purposeful. College is a scam, everybody. You got to stop sending your kids to college. You should get married as young as possible and have as many kids as possible. Go start at turning point you would say, college chapter. 00:00:33 Speaker 3: Go start atturning point. 00:00:34 Speaker 1: Yould say high school chapter. 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The notorious screen grabs now and I revealed to this audience that I did, in fact share that screen grab with Joe Kent, and Joe suggested that I leak that publicly. 00:01:47 Speaker 3: I declined. 00:01:48 Speaker 4: He actually went back through our messages and he suggested I do so twice. 00:01:53 Speaker 3: I declined. 00:01:53 Speaker 4: Obviously, those were private messages. I wanted to keep them private for Charlie's sake. 00:01:58 Speaker 3: I thought that it was honoring my anyway. 00:02:00 Speaker 4: So this new report comes out from Schollenberger and it says, as you see on your screen, that Joe Kent says he's willing to testify at the trial of Tyler Robinson. So this is obviously a huge bombshell and escalates everything to a much bigger level. I have reached out to Michael Schellenberger and he has agreed to come on the show today. He interviewed Joe Kent for this report. So these are Joe Kent's own words. It's going to be an important conversation. And Blake, let's just take this out a step and explain why this is actually a really important thing. As you know, there's a lot of conspiracy theories that we do not indulge, that we do not discuss. This is different. Joe Kent was a government official at a very important post, and now he's saying he's willing to testify ostensibly on behalf of Tyler Robinson. Yes, this is a bigger deal. This is a line cross that we have not seen. 00:03:04 Speaker 6: Yes, I mean, let's just recite it where he says Kent, this is Shellenberger's reporting on substick. Kent said he knew he might be called as a witness before he made his statements that a quote foreign nexus may have been involved in Kirk's assassination. I was definitely warned of that over and over again, said Kent. If I end up having to play that role, then I'll do it. 00:03:27 Speaker 5: It's not something I'm seeking. 00:03:28 Speaker 6: When pressed that his testimony could help the Robinson defense, Kent said, then, honestly, so be it if it gets us to the truth. That's obviously the risk I'm taking. Neither Robinson's attorneys nor the prosecuting attorneys responded to request for comment, and then looks, I'm not sure if there's more, I might have to pay for Sllenberger's subscription. 00:03:47 Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, I'm sure it does go further. 00:03:51 Speaker 4: And we're gonna, like I said, be talking to Michael Schllenberger. And this to me is this is galaxy brain run amuck. And what let me explain, Well, why I say that. Jonathan Turley, who is a I guess he's a contributor to Fox News Legal contributor. He's a professor of law at George Washington University, said that ninety percent of the evidence accumulated against Tyler Robinson could be thrown out, so the defense could be successful during that ninety percent of the evidence, and he would still be found guilty of murder. 00:04:27 Speaker 6: Like, let's refresh, people, there is a murder weapon that was found near the site of the shooting. It was owned by Tyler Robinson's family, given to him by his grandpa, of the caliber used to shoot Charlie. It has his DNA all over it, all over the casings he they release. 00:04:44 Speaker 5: A photo of the shooter. 00:04:45 Speaker 6: They are not able to find him otherwise. Tyler Robinson's parents see that photo and think that looks like Tyler. They begin asking him things like where is your I believe it was his grandfather's gun. They start asking him this. Ty La Robinson starts talking like he might kill himself. They get a friend of the family to sit down with him. He actually he admits that it's him. They get him to drive up to orm and turn himself in. His parents helped him turn him in. And we run into people who say that that didn't happen, or that's fabricated confessions. There's digital confessions. But also his parents are out there. They have never stepped forward and said this is a lie. They could easily do that. It would be trivial to do. 00:05:26 Speaker 5: That if it was the case. They have not done that. His parents turned him in. 00:05:30 Speaker 6: That is the most obvious piece of evidence in the world that nothing can argue around. And some people are so obsessed with the same conspiracies that they concoct for every other thing that ever happens, and so they have to shove it into this one too because they care more about their conspiracy theories than about the person who murdered my friend facing justice. I am fed up with it. 00:05:55 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you should be. And this this is. 00:06:00 Speaker 4: I mean, this is a tough job for us today, to be honest, because this is really personal. I have been open to everything, I think candidly. I don't get enough credit for even the fact that I shared these group chats in the first place. We shared a lot of information about Trans, about Charlie, how Charlie was more concerned about than any other community about the Trans coming after him. You want to know the truth. That's actually the truth. I heard over the course of the last two years of Charlie's life, probably about fifty references of how he knew the trans Trans TEFA was gonna come after him and he was worried about that. That's the truth. Never mentioned one time about the Jews, Okay, never once. And here's why it's so frustrating, is because there is going to be even more evidence that is presented to the public in May at the evidentiary hearing, Okay, And it's a mountain of evidence, some of which has been made public, some of which has not been made public yet. And the prosecution is going to lay out its case against Tyler Robinson, and I'm told it's a whopper. I'm told they've got this guy dead to rights. And meanwhile, you have government officials that are now saying on the record to journalists they are willing to testify on behalf of the defense to get osensibly to get Tyler Robinson off the hook for something that he did. And so the level of betrayal that I currently feel is dramatic and extreme, the level of just frustration, the idiocy. 00:07:39 Speaker 3: That is on full display. 00:07:41 Speaker 4: We have to call it out because if this ends up screwing up the jury pool, if this ends up in some ways getting a hung jury, getting a getting this casee this case thrown out, or even just getting the death penalty off the case, off the potential list of consequences here, I'm not going to be happy with that. I'm telling you that, as somebody who was open to all different options, I didn't care where the truth led. This is where the truth led. This is it for any fair minded person. This is crack pot conspiracy, garbage, brain rot stuff, and now it's gotten really serious. This isn't podcaster junk. This isn't like social media conspiracy, nonsense. This is an actual government official who's now going to be called to testify on behalf of the defense. 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Joe Can, of course, the former director of the National counter Terrorism Center, has been saying for the last week that he thinks that he doesn't buy the loan shooter theory of the assassination of Charlie Kirk. He suspects there's a foreign nexus was the words he used, involved in that assassination. He said that the FBI prevented him from investigating it and that he viewed that as suspicious and if there was nothing there, he told me, then why did they prevent him from investigating it. 00:10:44 Speaker 2: I asked him. 00:10:45 Speaker 7: If he was aware before he went public last week that Tyler Robinson, the suspected assassin of Charlie Kirk, that his defense attorneys might actually call Kent to the witness stand to argue that that Robinson could not be convicted because the prosecutors had not given them all the information that available to them. That something knows the Brady Rule, named after a Supreme Court decision I believe in the nineteen sixties, but nonethless, most people are familiar with it from television, which is that the prosecutors can't deny federal government, can't deny the government, can't deny the defense any information. And Kent to saying that there is information and that the investigation itself was inadequate, and that I spoke to a constitutional law legal scholar yesterday who said, you know, it would be a no brainer for the defense attorneys now for Robinson to use Kent statements as a way to gain an advantage or potentially a hung jury or a mistrial or something. 00:11:48 Speaker 2: Of that nature. 00:11:49 Speaker 7: So he's pretty serious for people that are interested in seeing justice served. 00:11:55 Speaker 2: With the assassination of Charlie Kirk. 00:11:57 Speaker 4: Well, listen, Michael, I know that you have to be sort of dispassed you're a reporter, but to me, this feels like a giant redline. This feels like like galaxy brain run a muck. 00:12:07 Speaker 3: Did you did you get a chance to ask him? Just straight up? Just because he didn't get let into the investigation doesn't mean it wasn't investigated. 00:12:16 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, thanks, I appreciate the point. 00:12:19 Speaker 7: I mean, I'm trying to you know, I mean, the truth is, I actually like kind of everybody involved in this. I've always I've actually admired Kent and the things he said in the past. I also care a lot about the transgender issue. 00:12:34 Speaker 2: We reported it exclusively on Leak. 00:12:36 Speaker 4: You've find amazing on this issue, Michael. Just to underscore your point, you have been one of the lead voices exposing some of the craziness and the zaniness behind the behind the transgender radical trans ideology. So I just wanted to give you some bona fides there. 00:12:54 Speaker 8: Thank you. 00:12:54 Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a obviously it's a big issue, and I think many Americans felt that they didn't need to pay attention to the issue all but now we've seen trans identified people engaged in shootings. 00:13:06 Speaker 2: Obviously or maybe not obviously. 00:13:08 Speaker 7: Probably obviously to your audience, it was the last thing that Charlie Kirk was talking about before he was assassinated. It appears as though the evidence that Tyler Robinson committed that assassination is pretty overwhelming, and to be fair to Joe Kent, he didn't dispute that. What's really what he's raising here is that there may be some broader conspiracy and there's not a lot of evidence for that. But nonetheless, because Kent is such an important voice, he could easily be used by the defense attorneys. I did directly ask him repeatedly that you know, given that his agency is an intelligence gathering and really an intelligence synthesizing and coordinating agencies, part of the broader Coordinating Intelligence mission of the Office of the Director of National Intelli Leigience, you know, he didn't have the authorities to do a law enforcement investigation's FBI investigation, and you know, didn't he sort of need to trust that his colleagues at the FBI and elsewhere or and also with the Utah Police law enforcement at some point, you know, you can pass along a tip or an idea, But don't you at some point have to sort of trust unless you have other evidence, you know? And I asked him if he had other evidence, you know, of some sort of corruption or conspiracy, and he said he didn't. So it kind of raises the question of you know, what is this sort of based on. Because I think it's worth pointing out to people that the restrictions on Kent's authority to investigate the Kirk murder are not arbitrary. It's not something that Director cash Petel, whatever you think of him, sort of invented as a way to stemy a proper investigation. Those those restrictions on investigative power are what protect us as citizens. It's written into our constitution, It's part of our locking and system of go government. And I think we saw those We saw the intelligence community abuse those powers to create the Russigate hoax, you know, the Russigate conspiracy hopes. So and it's not just that, I mean, we can go through you know, the intellig It wasn't the first time the intelligence community had abused its powers. But when you go through so these the restrictions on Kent that I think for people that maybe haven't thought about it a lot, or haven't. 00:15:27 Speaker 2: You know that don't work? 00:15:28 Speaker 7: Don't aren't familiar with the intricacies of why these laws exist. I think it's important context like, these laws are not there to prevent a thorough investigation or to cover up things. And it certainly wasn't a subjective determination by the FBI director. 00:15:42 Speaker 2: It's written into laws, and those laws are there, you know. 00:15:45 Speaker 7: First and foremost to protect us, obviously, but obviously part of the process of protecting innocent civilians is also to make sure that you get the guilty party and you don't go off and engage in activities that would potentially entrap innocent people. 00:16:00 Speaker 6: So two questions for you, Michael. So, first of all, I just want to really harp on this point. He didn't present any Did he present a single example of evidence against Tyler Robinson that he believes may have been flawed or mistaken? On one end, and on the other end, did he give you a single concrete example of evidence in the case that he believes that he specifically that went uninvestigated by the FBI or by any other law enforcement. 00:16:31 Speaker 7: I'm afraid I can't answer all of these questions because I have to protect but I will say that he presented nothing on the record and hasn't presented anything on the record. 00:16:43 Speaker 3: Okay, so I want to. 00:16:48 Speaker 4: I would love to follow up on that, but I have a feeling that we're gonna Yeah, there's nothing you can you could say, Yeah, I mean, here's here's the problem though, So he's now essentially said that he's willing to go testify ostensibly on behalf of the defense, on Tyler Robinson's defense. I've heard him say in other interviews that you know, he's he said, I'm sure there's a slam dunk case against Tyler Robinson. I'm not saying it wasn't him, But now it seems like almost he's moved on from that point. Did you ascertain his sense, his internal sense of the guilt of Tyler Robinson or not? 00:17:26 Speaker 2: Well, this is. 00:17:27 Speaker 7: Let's get let's get into this part because this is extremely important and important to understand. And I posted all of the on the record portions of our interview. I posted and also was very careful to make sure that the stuff that was posted was on the record after the fact, confirmed it with Kent earlier today before publishing. So everything that's in that recording, it's over thirty minutes. I think what's He also said that he thought that there was a strong case against Robinson, and I don't think he's changed that view. 00:18:01 Speaker 2: I'm not well, I should put it this way. 00:18:04 Speaker 7: I don't think anybody in the media had yet asked him directly and kind of consistently if he was aware that his allegations could be used by Robinson's defense team to argue that Robinson was potentially a victim of a wider conspiracy, and Ken said that he was aware of that before going public. The Brady rule is not an obscure rule. I mean, everybody knows that the defense attorneys are going to need to know everything that went into some investigation, any government investigation. That's a really important civil liberties protection, you know. And similarly, it's a protection, you know, it's protection of the innocent. It's a strong protection of people of defendants that people may be very convinced already guilty. But it's also there to make sure that that you're not, you know, like we've been talking about abusing those authorities. But he's said he was aware of that. He said he wasn't like volunteering to testify, but he said he was aware that he might he might be asked to investigate, and like I said, I think, I think if I'd be shocked if Robinson's attorneys don't use this. 00:19:12 Speaker 4: Well, of course, yeah, this is the obvious This is the obvious result of this is that he's doing this PR tour. 00:19:19 Speaker 6: And that's what infuriates me is he's like endlessly He's like someone who's vague posting on Facebook, where he's like, there's there's. 00:19:26 Speaker 5: Things I might know, people should know. 00:19:29 Speaker 3: I might but I can't tell you. 00:19:30 Speaker 6: But I can't go I can't go on the record with this reporter that I'm talking to. I can't say what you actually think happened. If you want to do that, you can at least argue with him. But like this endless appeal to well, I had the senior job. I saw things every wee. I'm sick and tired of seeing this, and I always see it from the same people who are maximally conspiratorial. 00:19:51 Speaker 4: Here's what I want everybody to know. Shortly after Tyler Robinson's arrest, the prosecutors released a probable cause affidavit detailing the evidence gathered immediately after Charlie's assassination. The evidence presented at that time was overwhelming, but people also need to remember this. In the months that have followed, we know the investigation has continued. More details will come out in May when the assassin has a probable cause hearing, and we are certain there will be even more evidence submitted against Tyler Robinson by the state, and that's a So the frustration here, Michael, is that we have this vacuum, this void that's been created where the investigation is kind of still ongoing. They're still gathering it, getting it presentable for this may probable cause hearing, but the Internet never stops. And Joe Kent resigned when he did, and now he's doing this PR tour and it really does and I want to get this through the audience's head. This really does have a potential to not only taint a jury pool, but to undermine the very prosecution of Tyler Robinson, who who I am one hundred percent convinced pulled the trigger and killed Charlie Kirk. 00:21:04 Speaker 3: Could you just speak to. 00:21:06 Speaker 7: That, Yeah, sure, I mean, I think you know, the first thing that's just worth acknowledging is that, you know, the American people, all of us have seen you know, real world conspiracies exposed, and I mean by conspiracies, you know, illegal secret activity by the government. Russia Gate collusion hoax is the most famous. We uncovered a censorship industrial complex whereby government officials working with you know, intelligence community officials or recently departed intelligence community officials, pressured social media companies to engage in mass censorship. We saw a cover up of the science of COVID's origins, almost certainly in a laboratory in China. So I think Americans are and that's not even to get into you know, other spectacular potential conspiracies like JFK. 00:21:55 Speaker 4: Or You've been on all of that stuff as well, Michael, I'm not. We like the conspiracy theory have been proven. 00:22:00 Speaker 3: Right about a lot, but that was before you had people that. 00:22:03 Speaker 4: Charlie helped get in these positions in the first place, you know, as part of the investigative arm, you know. I just anyways, I'm sorry, I cut you off. 00:22:12 Speaker 7: Please, Well no, So, I mean, I think that's just important context that you know. 00:22:16 Speaker 2: I'm I'm my opponent. 00:22:18 Speaker 7: My critics call me, accused me of being an irresponsible conspiracy theorist. 00:22:22 Speaker 2: So but I also just think it's important. 00:22:25 Speaker 7: You know obviously that you have evidence to allege potential you know, you know, really strong evidence, especially behind really strong allegations like this one. 00:22:36 Speaker 2: And I think a lot of times right. 00:22:38 Speaker 7: Now, you know, because the social media and podcasting is so powerful that I think, you know, it's fun, it's entertaining. You know, everybody loves a good conspiracy theory, and I think that's you know, I think actually some amount of speculation is necessary. 00:22:54 Speaker 2: I think you should ask. 00:22:56 Speaker 7: Asking even outrageous questions is totally appropriate, I think too. I think though, that there are consequences potentially if that starts to affect things like juries, you know, and it starts to you know, I think the point is that we want to have trust in our institutions. That it's not that we want to be in a state of permanent distrust. We need to have That's why you needed regular changes of government to have you know, clean house. I have seen no evidence that anybody in this administration would do anything. I mean, this is an administration that's absolutely passionate about Charlie Kirk. 00:23:34 Speaker 2: That you know. 00:23:35 Speaker 7: I think everybody knows that the reaction from the Trump administration in the White House, all the federal agencies was of just shock and horror and outrage. So I just don't see how, you how any broader conspiracy could be either carried out or or covered up in the ways that I think Joe Kenna is suggesting here. And and so you know, like like you know, if there's just really not there's just not anything. 00:24:01 Speaker 2: Here that would suggest that there's a cover. 00:24:04 Speaker 7: Up going on that I'm seeing, or that anybody else was involved, you know, then Tyler Robinson, you know, and I think Ken at one point sort of or a couple of points maybe in the interview sort of agreed that you don't need anybody else. 00:24:18 Speaker 2: I mean, Tyler Robinson. 00:24:21 Speaker 7: You know, it appears from the evidence has been released so far, there's ample motive and a lot of evidence that he did it. So I don't I just don't see the need to add something else to it. And again you would think, well, maybe it's just for fun and you know, just you know, you know, podcasting entertainment. But in this case, I think the consequences could be quite serious. 00:24:42 Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's what I think we're all terrified of. And I just want to make a point here. I am for asking questions this is why I shared the group chat with Joe Kent in the first place. I'm not afraid of the answer to those questions. If Israel had a hand in killing Charlie, I want to know, I wanted to know. What I'm telling you is that we've had six months plus since that time to track down all those leads, none of which have been corroborated, none of which have actionable evidence behind, none of which have been presented in any way, shape or form to suggest there was there was a probable that there's any. 00:25:18 Speaker 6: Evidence, overwhelming evidence, very rapidly trial. 00:25:24 Speaker 4: Yeah, I am willing to ask the hard questions. We want the truth. But when there's no evidence and there's no facts that would back up those questions, then you have to say, okay, moving on, all right, you couldn't corroborate it, Okay. So I'm not anti asking questions, I'm not anti conspiracy theories. I'm I'm open to it all, okay, but you have to have facts. In the recklessness with which these accusations are being thrown out now has real world implications, and I just it's this brain rot, Michael that's driving me insane. Being on the other side of it, I will never look at a conspiracy theory the same way having been on this side of it, because people make jumps to conclude. They jump to conclusions, they connect disparate pieces of evidence, and they connect them in ways that don't make any sense. So anyways, I guess final minute to you, Michael, where does this leave us? And what do you expect to happen next? 00:26:15 Speaker 8: Yeah? 00:26:15 Speaker 7: I mean for me, you know, i'ven worked on this for now a couple of days, and really it's been heavy focus on it. I kind of walk away, just reminded that these restrictions on what intelligence agencies can do are really good and important, and we wouldn't want to reduce those protections. I'm not seeing evidence of a wider conspiracy. I don't think anyone's presented evidence of that. I am very worried about this affecting the trial. I think most people, when they think about what's occurred now, would share that concern. And you know, I think that people sometimes want to have a bigger meaning for the Charlie Kirk assassination, like it couldn't just be one guy. I mean, because the assassination is just it's one of the of the you know, most significant political assassinations in American history, and so to kind of go as just a guy, you know, you know that had a maybe a furry fetish and a trans identified boyfriend. I think for a lot of people that might feel like not big enough or something or significant enough. 00:27:19 Speaker 2: And I would say it is big enough. What's I mean? Charlie Kirk's whole legacy is tied up with him not going along. 00:27:26 Speaker 7: With the idea that he needed to agree with a belief that you could change your sex. 00:27:31 Speaker 4: Or that men it could become and it's a powerful inside Michael, We've got to wrap it up. 00:27:35 Speaker 3: That's a powerful insight. 00:27:36 Speaker 4: The it's not psychologically satisfying enough the truth for some people, but the truth has to be the truth at some point. Thank you Michael for joining us on short Notes. 00:27:48 Speaker 6: Hey, we're excited to tell you about Charlie's favorite supplement. If you experienced brain fog, low energy, frequent illnesses, or if you just wake up stiff and achy every day, you've got to try strong sell. Charlie took it every single he frequently talked about it on the show, and he even traveled around the country bringing it with him. For Charlie Strong cell helped keep his mind sharp and focused for all the debates he was engaged in. 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How'd it go? 00:30:29 Speaker 5: I was super nervous beforehand and once it began. 00:30:32 Speaker 3: I love that about you that you're willing to admit that you were nervous. 00:30:34 Speaker 5: You know, That's actually what we talked about. 00:30:36 Speaker 6: We spoke for a few minutes and I just talked, you know, I know, obviously Charlie is far more memorable, remembered, looked up to than I'm so I talked about the process that went into it. It's a conversation I had with Brian on our team once where he said one of the most common questions Charlie we get is Charlie, how can I be like you? 00:30:54 Speaker 5: And Brian would. 00:30:55 Speaker 6: Say they don't actually want to be like him because it's a ton of work, because Charlie had to be so disciplined with his time in a way that most people just cannot manage. He was studying all the time, he was prepping all the time, always, and I told the story, you know, the last conversation I had with him, you know, why is monogamy great? Like, let's get all the talking points we were It was a great conversation, but it was also that was daily life for him, always getting those talking points, and that Charlie. Uh, he succeeded so much because he failed so much that any debate he didn't do perfectly any debate. I mean, he lost some debates, and that was always the chance to get better. So we talked about that at the start, which I thought was a very good tribute to him. 00:31:37 Speaker 8: Uh. 00:31:37 Speaker 5: And then they asked us questions a lot of different. 00:31:39 Speaker 6: Ones, and I finally felt what it was. 00:31:42 Speaker 5: Like to be Charlie. 00:31:43 Speaker 3: And did you get challenged? What kind of questions they asked you? Man? 00:31:47 Speaker 5: I didn't join in this one. 00:31:48 Speaker 6: Jack got a question about the Spanish Civil War, which I'm a big history dark so I kind of wanted to jump in, but it was aimed. 00:31:53 Speaker 5: At Jack because Jack had talked about it. 00:31:55 Speaker 6: We got a question about anti semitism on the riot, so that was that was a good one to answer, because let's be real. 00:32:01 Speaker 5: It is going up, it is increasing. It is something we run into a lot. I think I did an okay answer on that. 00:32:06 Speaker 6: I think there's a few things I would have added if I could have, if I could revisit. 00:32:09 Speaker 4: It, Faz says, one of our producers said, Blake hit a home run on the israel first question. 00:32:14 Speaker 5: Ah, it was, it was all right, It was all right. 00:32:17 Speaker 4: So these are gonna be clipped up and put on social just like we. 00:32:20 Speaker 6: We got a question about global warming that felt like a blast from the past. Like you don't have a lot of people asking about global warming anymore. It's very twenty fourteen eraliberalism back. 00:32:30 Speaker 3: When it's funny. 00:32:31 Speaker 4: You still you still can't get those clips on Facebook. I think they'll still get you if you don't. 00:32:38 Speaker 6: Toe the Oh, there's still it's like it's gonna be like asgal It's gonna be a vestigial thing, like they, you know, AI will have cooked everyone's brains. 00:32:46 Speaker 5: They won't know how to change the code to make it so you can't. 00:32:48 Speaker 3: Say it because it doesn't exist on some of the social media plays. 00:32:51 Speaker 5: No, but it actually is very funny. 00:32:53 Speaker 6: Just you don't run into it that much because they moved on to you know, systemic racism or whatever, but we we still have the remnants of it, Like, you know, you still can't get a plastic straw in Tempe, I think. 00:33:02 Speaker 3: But seriously, well I don't know. 00:33:03 Speaker 5: I got a paper straw the other day when I was at a restaurant. I found it really annoying. 00:33:07 Speaker 4: So this was interesting the before. So we wrapped the show yesterday and then like almost immediately after we're done with it, we get told that there are protesters out front, and I think we have some pictures here if the team can show them. So it's this other group. Yeah, so they're outside and they've got film crew. And then so Blake. I didn't even see Blake after the show, like you were just gone. And then I was like, where did Blake go? And they're like, oh, protesters out front. You got to go confront them, and I was like, I do you know? That doesn't seem like security protocol. So I was like all right. So but it turns out it's this this progressive group that we mentioned were flipping off Charlie's memorial and doing all sorts of deranged things outside of the HQ before that. The day before that or over the weekend. So I joined Blake out there and then next thing I know, Jack is out there. 00:34:01 Speaker 6: It was such a funny conversation because they were mad. I mean they were posting images of them flipping off. 00:34:06 Speaker 5: A memorial and all of that, and they were. 00:34:08 Speaker 6: Mad because they blamed us for getting an event of theirs at ASU canceled and we go out and they ask us about this, and we just go speaking truthfully, that wasn't us. We don't have that kind of pull with ASU. They in fact quite dislike us. And then it was almost like they hadn't considered that possibility and they instantly got were for the like oh oh yeah, that makes sense. 00:34:29 Speaker 3: Yeah, because our day event also got U disallowed. Yeah. 00:34:33 Speaker 5: I actually was confused. 00:34:34 Speaker 6: I thought until I hadn't like really been paying pulse, so I thought the event was actually going to be around news. 00:34:39 Speaker 3: So this is true. 00:34:40 Speaker 4: I caved, I go, what times your your pick up the mic? And he's like he's like, ah, this afternoon was like I thought it was a night event, and nobody had told Blake. 00:34:49 Speaker 5: Well they told me, and I hadn't looked close. I'm self conscious. 00:34:51 Speaker 6: So when they sent me the announcement, I didn't want to look at it because it had my dorky mugshot photo. 00:34:56 Speaker 5: And so I love that you. 00:34:57 Speaker 4: Were I actually loved that you were nervous because it shows the reverence that you have for c K and just how many reps he put in in that format. And it is a powerful format because it really is the collision of ideas and there is nothing off limits, and it's it's mental sparring, and you got to make your point. 00:35:14 Speaker 3: As a matter of fact. 00:35:14 Speaker 4: When we went out to confront these this left wing group that was taking all these terrible pictures, that was my first thing. They were like, they started with, look, do you condemn President Trump for what he said. 00:35:26 Speaker 3: About Bob Mueller? 00:35:28 Speaker 4: And I was like, I was like, do you do you condemn your friend over here for flipping off Charlie's memorial and doing all this other gross crap. And her response was, well, I thought that you guys canceled our event. So I take it back and I'm sorry, I'll delete that post. It's like, even if we did cancel your event, which we didn't, you should not be doing that. You're a grown woman that is giving into this like online culture of just being you know, really gross. And by the way, like when you've done the reps that turning point's done with all these campuses across country, maybe maybe then we'll take you more seriously. Up until now, you guys are just a bunch of trolls, and I don't take you seriously. I don't because all you're trying to do is leech off what we're doing. You're trying to draft off what we've done and what we've built, what Charlie built, and so you know, good luck, I guess, and welcome to university bureaucracy. This is how it works. You know, you win some, you lose some. Is by the way, this is all Initially I. 00:36:24 Speaker 6: Get a kick out of the them thinking like we would want to shut down a left wing group that you know, would ask questions at our events because very obviously there's a symbiotic relationship there, like we want liberals to show up at our events, because that's how you get the debate, that's how that's how you get viral clips, that's how Charlie. Charlie would never want to go to a campus and only get people who agree with him. That would be incredibly lame. 00:36:46 Speaker 4: Yeah, no exactly, and by the way, it's like, we don't. First of all, we're not threatened by it. Second of all, I didn't even know who these people were. I mean I knew kind of a little bit from what we know the group at Texas A and M. They they tried to count or our event or something that event and that that My favorite part about that event was when they tried to counter program us. 00:37:09 Speaker 3: The sprinklers turned on. 00:37:11 Speaker 5: That was probably are doing too. We probably have more pull. 00:37:14 Speaker 8: Up a M. 00:37:15 Speaker 4: We probably had the keys to the to the sprinkler system, and we probably know that didn't happen. 00:37:22 Speaker 3: This is what's halling in. 00:37:23 Speaker 4: No, it was like, no, pull it's the time, go now and anyway, So it was kind of a fun little moment, but it kind of and there was all this press energy, like everybody wanted to see what we were doing at uh at A s U versus the that got these inquiries like did you block their event? 00:37:41 Speaker 3: I'm like no, but they would love for you to think that we did. Okay, Like so it was. 00:37:45 Speaker 4: It was kind of a nothing burger in the end, but nevertheless, fun to get back on campus, fun to see you guys doing it. And honor Charlie that way. So I was proud of you guys, and more to come. I think I'm gonna do GCU soon, which will be fun here in the valley. So uh, we'll keep you posting on that, and as the clips come up, we'll maybe we'll show some of them on the show. 00:38:05 Speaker 3: You know, we spend a lot. 00:38:07 Speaker 4: Of time on this show talking about culture, about why strong families matter, why values matter, why faith matters. But here's something practical. If you actually want to build a strong family someday, you have to start by meeting someone who shares those same values and convictions. And in today's culture, that's not always easy. 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Download the Upward app today. 00:39:17 Speaker 3: When you see ice agents, you know, being deployed. 00:39:23 Speaker 9: I like it. 00:39:24 Speaker 8: I mean, I think trumpstone, I hold off. 00:39:26 Speaker 6: I like it. 00:39:27 Speaker 1: Most of the travelers we spoke with say, well, it's disappointing. The current shutdown is having a negative impact on TSA staff. 00:39:33 Speaker 5: They're pleased to see ice agents stepping it. 00:39:35 Speaker 8: They're protecting us well. 00:39:39 Speaker 3: People love their ice agents at the airports lines wait times are dropping like crazy. 00:39:44 Speaker 5: And you know we have like the thin blue line, the thin red line. 00:39:47 Speaker 6: Is this like the thin security line, then cold line? 00:39:52 Speaker 4: The ice light here to help us break this down is none other than borders are Tom Homan National Treasure Thank you sir for joining us and making the time. What can you tell us about what we're seeing ice agents at our airports? 00:40:07 Speaker 10: I think President Trump made a brilliant move He called me late Saturday night and with this idea, and I liked it. I mean, ICE agents are being paid TSA art agents aren't lines drew back and up, and this heightened security posture we're in right now because it's going on in the world. We need to secure the airports, we need to secure the airways, and we need to get American people to those lines. I mean especially now during spring break and Eastern and so forth. So I thought it was a great idea, and so I've worked very close with the ICE director and the acting Administrator TSA. We put that plan together in less than twenty four hours, and now we were sitting at about sixteen airports. Now they'll be a few more added. It's be it's just it's going to constantly be changing. But we're there filling jobs. That's going to release more TSA agents to work right in those security lines and especially the X ray machines and you know, the initial and secondary security where they're very well trained to do. We're going to take people that are doing other security jobs and we're going to fill those gaps so they can release those highly trained TSA officials to help with the lines, maybe open up more lines because we have more people looking at the X ray monitors. So it's a great idea and and I think the lines are going down quickly. And I think President Trump not only made airports more secure, more safe, he's moving the traveling public through quicker. 00:41:38 Speaker 3: I love it well. 00:41:39 Speaker 4: I mean I put up a few posts on x yesterday and they went viral because everybody loves this idea. Mister borders are But it does raise this other thing that's getting the Democrats all freaked out. And we'll just have President Trump, in his own words, describe it to three. 00:41:54 Speaker 3: Will we see arrest. 00:41:56 Speaker 10: People marketing, arrest of airports, arrest the ICE, arresting illegal migrants, and airports talking. That's why the Democrats are got creation, because they've. 00:42:06 Speaker 11: Allowed, by what they did and to hold up we put ice tore a very high. 00:42:12 Speaker 12: Level I mean, they really are a high level group of people, and they love it because they're able to now arrest. 00:42:19 Speaker 13: Illegals as they come into the country. That's that's very fertile turntor. 00:42:24 Speaker 3: But that's not why they're there. 00:42:25 Speaker 13: They're they're really there to. 00:42:27 Speaker 4: Help, all right, So it's very fertile teary. I've thought about this a lot, Uh, mister, borders are that the airports are where so much of this is happening, So it makes sense to have ICE agents there. 00:42:38 Speaker 3: Explain how that will work. 00:42:40 Speaker 4: Will will they be processing somebody through the security line and then they'll be like, oh, you're actually an a llegal immigrant and. 00:42:46 Speaker 3: You're you're now going to be removed from the country. 00:42:49 Speaker 10: Well, look, you know CBP and ICE have always said of presidence at the airports, not a big presence, because we do a lot of human trafficking investigations, smuggling investigations, bolt cash smuggling, so we we we have a presence there. CBP also has a presence there because they're the ones that screen everybody coming into the country from mother from other nations. 00:43:14 Speaker 8: So uh, but we're look, our number. 00:43:17 Speaker 10: One mission, as a president said, is support TSA and move those lines quicker and enhance security. However, the instructions I gave uh to ICE was they're going to force immigration law. Also if they see a criminal activity, they're going to take action. 00:43:32 Speaker 8: There's a lot of. 00:43:32 Speaker 10: People say, well you should just help TSA with a security posture and non enforce them er grace law. I'm not gonna do that. We're going to force themmre grace law. I'm not going to ask any ICE officer to ignore the opes. They took an unforced immigration law, so you will see immigration rest. So they they they got two missions, one support TSA, two enforced law. 00:43:55 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I think that makes all the sense in the world. 00:43:58 Speaker 3: Said, yeah, go ahead. 00:43:59 Speaker 6: But first of all, I want to tout I was reading, actually we were doing an a SU event yesterday and I was studying up for it, and I saw that the overall pace of ICE arrests per day has doubled since last spring. So congratulations for that. But the rational follow up, of course, is how much will let's say this airport strategy of the Democrats keeps going. Is there a risk that this will significantly slow down those arrests? Like could Democrats embrace this as a way to hamper immigration enforcement by diverting so many agents. 00:44:29 Speaker 8: Look, well, I have an effect on arrested. 00:44:31 Speaker 10: I have a small effect on a rest, of course, because more people call the fields to the airport. But look, the men and women with TSA, they're not being paid. This is a third time in the past year they've suffered, So you know, bottom line is the Democrats up on the Hill are punishing TSA, Coast Guard, SISA, Cybersecurity, FEMA. They're punishing these employees by not paying them because they're mad about immigration enforcement. And you know, bottom line is I've been meeting on the Hill, you know, having discussions, but bottom line, but we're not going to give up ice authorities. We're not going to legislat or podify changes in policy because what I've explaining from day one to people there are the negotiating table. 00:45:23 Speaker 8: Policy has not changed. The same policy. 00:45:26 Speaker 10: We're using now was there with Clinton, Obama and Bush one and Bush two. I've been doing this a long time. It's not about policies, it's about execution. And you know, as I said, this all startup Minnesota, and I said, look Minnesota and one other it wasn't perfect. There are changes need to be made, and we made those changes. Those changes are in place now. So I find it shocking to any member of Congress, I don't care what party you're in, does not want to open up the government, does not want to fund the Department of Homeland Security that keeps this nation safe, especially again that's elevated threat posture. Everybody in DHS should be working, working hard. So we need to get the government back open. President wants the government back open, and we'll get it back hoping. But we're not going to surrender immigration authority happen and we're not going to do that. That's not that's off the table, mask off the table. I mean, we're going to do our jobs and we won't keep our officers safe. 00:46:22 Speaker 4: Okay, well, that's that's good to hear the mass off the table. We've got a clip here, it's too long. Just Hakeem Jeffries, though, says that we're not going to fund DHS. Democrats are not going to fund DHS unless Democrats are assured that ICE will not monitor polling places. What's your reaction to. 00:46:40 Speaker 3: That, sir? 00:46:41 Speaker 10: Are illegal aliens voting? I mean, bottom line is what are they afraid of? And they say illegal aliens don't vote? But look, you know part of you is his job is secure elections and I'm. 00:46:52 Speaker 8: Not going to save you know, you know what our plan is going forward, But. 00:46:58 Speaker 10: If only you as citizens can vote, I don't see the issue what they're concerned about. They ought to be concerned about the safety and security of this nation and why is the Department Homeland Security not funded. That's why they need to explain. And look, they can get angry at ICE all they want. We've got to remember they set the stage, right, they baked this pie. 00:47:20 Speaker 8: Right. 00:47:20 Speaker 10: They four years of open borders, four years of no immigration enforcement. We had historic illegal migration on the southern border. They knew it, and the members of Congress stood silent. They're complicit. They didn't do anything to Secretary of Mariorcus. 00:47:34 Speaker 8: When he sat under OULTI Border secure. So they're to blame for this. 00:47:38 Speaker 10: And what ICE is simply doing is responding to four years of open borders and historic illegal migration on border that brought mens upon minions of people to the border and release the United States. That requires a historic deportation operation. It's just simple maths. So they got to remember, why are we in this position? Why is ICE hiring more people? Why was President Trump elected to be the President of the United States and put in the Oval Office to secure the border and enforced immigration law. 00:48:07 Speaker 8: That's what we're doing. 00:48:09 Speaker 10: And they set the stage for the open border for four years. 00:48:12 Speaker 8: They can't they can't forget that. 00:48:14 Speaker 3: Yeah, amen to that. 00:48:16 Speaker 4: So you have a new as of yesterday, Senator Mark Wayne Mullen is now Secretary. Mark Wayne Mullen, DHS Secretary. What do you expect any changes during his tenure? Have you spoken directly with him? 00:48:30 Speaker 8: What? 00:48:30 Speaker 3: What? What can we expect as the American people. 00:48:33 Speaker 10: I speak to Mark Wayne Mullen every day, sometimes several times a day ever since President Trump announce him as a nominee. I'll be with him today when he gets sworn in. I mean I said, I've said one hundred times since he's been nominated. I think he's the right guy at the right time and the right job. He understands our challenges. He understands you know, as a member of Congress, he stands what upset, what's up, what Congress is upset about, and what false errative they're pushing and and how we can you know, work across the aisle and uh, I think I think it's a game changer, and I'm looking forward to working with him. And again we have a close relationship. And uh, even though he wasn't a secretary yet, I read him in on the operation and what we're doing at the airport speak because I want him to hit the ground running. And we uh, my office and and many others has offered him any resources he needs to hit the ground running on day one. He's already started. I mean he's already engaged. He may not be the second, he might not be sworn in, yet he's already being read in on things he needs to be read in on. 00:49:42 Speaker 8: So he hit the ground running the minute he's sworn in. 00:49:46 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's for people who are curious. There was only one Republican that voted against That was rand Paul wasn't necessarily surprise after it seems pretty personal, seems like there's some beef there. But then two Democrats Fetterman and and then a senator from New Mexico I forget his name, but you. 00:50:04 Speaker 10: Know, not only that, but you know a lot of Democrats I've talked to. I'm you know a handful. I know he's talked to many more. They want to vote for him, but his election yere but I think there's a lot more Democrats to support him that's known. And look, he's going to prove to him. He's going to prove to them he's the right guy. And I think give him a few months, I think he's going to press this country with his drive to maintain the more secure board in the nation at the same time and forced himmigration long in a smart, effective way. And look, FEMA needs some attention. You TSA needs attention, Secret Service needs attention. All these things that he can to wrap his arms around. And he's got a talented staff. Look what Mark Wayne mull has told me you got. You got career officials at ICE, been there for decades. You've got career officials at CBP, board patrol, the ben there for day case. He's you going to count on these careers, career officials who've done this for decades to do their job. 00:51:06 Speaker 8: And I think that's the smart way to go about it. 00:51:08 Speaker 10: Let the people who've done this for decades, who know Look, for instance, I have a close relationship with him. I've worked for six presidents on immigration. I've seen hundreds of policies come and go. I know what worked, I know it didn't. And the same thing with CBP and ICE in these other age sees. Count on these career officials who've been on both sides, who've seen you know, successes versus failures. Count on them and their knowledge And as a winning game, winning formula. 00:51:37 Speaker 4: I wanted to you were talking about how Mark Wayne Mullin, Secretary of Mark Wayne Ullen can be effective in this role. I said, and I defended you publicly on this. What you did in Minneapolis was an absolute masterstroke. You got cooperation at the local prisons and the county jails. Explain what you did there and how that can be a model of working with blue these blue jurisdictions, these sanctuary cities across the country. 00:52:03 Speaker 10: Well, look, we know that we have a problem sanctuary cities because we know they're released in public safety threats back into the community. 00:52:11 Speaker 8: They're released some. 00:52:11 Speaker 10: Public safety threats back into the public, which I think is just plain stupid. So when we got to Minnesota, I met with the governor and the attorney general and the mayors about cooperation. I explained, some more agents in the jail means less agents in the street, because you know, we can arrest a criminal, illegal alien. The safety and security of a jail, we're safer for the alien, safer for the officer, certainly safer for the community. But when they release them into the street, we got to send a whole team to go look for them because officers safety concerns, and in Minneapolis, things are out of control. So not only do we send a team to go look to rest the bad guy, then we had to send an additional team as backup because of the chaos that was going on the threats CONCIS officers. So what one officer could have done in the jail or two, now team fifteen guys out there in the street for that one guy. And when you got you know, twenty different teams out, you're talking about hundreds of people out the rest a few people. So I explained, and I understand that that raises fear in the community that you have a bunch of ice officers out there and tactical gear the rest a bad guy. I said, you want to want that that vision to go away, then it's in a damn jail. And you know we got we got unprecedented cooperation. 00:53:27 Speaker 8: So it was a win. 00:53:29 Speaker 10: But we also got to remember that we're out there enforcing immigration law. We got, as President Trump said, we got to prioritize public safety threats and national security threats. We got almost seven hundred thousand illegal aliens and criminals that are walking the streets of this country. We got to get the words first. And I think that smart way of doing business. It's not less enforcement, it's smarter enforcement. You got a criminal here, non criminal here, who are going to rest first? Who is the biggest threat to our community? Of course, not the criminal is. But as I said in day one, if you're in the country legally, you're not off the table. We're going to find you, We're going to deport you. It's just a matter of smart enforcement, targeted enforcement. When we leave the building every morning, we know who we're going to look for. We know a lot about his criminal history and his immigration history. Pretty much got a pretty idea where he lives, where he works, and that's the way. 00:54:18 Speaker 8: They do operations. 00:54:19 Speaker 10: Is safer for the agents, safer the communities, and that's where we're don't go move forward as President Trump coming into in day one, prioritizing the worst first again doesn't mean amnesty. Doesn't mean if you're in the country or legally you didn't commit another crime, you're off the table. 00:54:33 Speaker 8: That's not what it means. It's about smarter enforcement. 00:54:36 Speaker 3: Blake, I know we have an audience question, Yes we have. 00:54:40 Speaker 6: I think I've told you about this in private, Tom, but I wanted to get it on the air. We have a viewer who emails us very often, and he asks if you can say publicly to announce to all of America confidently that any illegal aliens who try to vote in the coming elections will be caught and will be deported. 00:54:59 Speaker 8: Do you after we prosecute them? 00:55:02 Speaker 10: I mean, it's a crime to vote illegally United States, So we're going to take us seriously. You want to go to prison, try it, but after we prosecute you will be deported. 00:55:11 Speaker 8: Absolutely. 00:55:13 Speaker 10: Now. 00:55:13 Speaker 8: The President has made that clear. 00:55:14 Speaker 10: And that's why. Look, that's why Congress needs a pass save America. I don't know why anybody wouldn't require identification to vote. I pick up tickets that will call it, to go to sportsman, I got to show ID. I go pick up my dry cleaning, I show ID. So why wouldn't you want to show ID to to take advantage of the most significant thing this country has, your ability to vote for your next leader. I mean it's a sacred it's a sacred ability, and we ought to keep rules wrapped around it. If you're not a citizen, don't vote. If you do vote, we're coming for you. 00:55:50 Speaker 4: How does that work when you prosecute an illegal alien that has attempted to vote. Do we throw them in prison or do we deport them once they're convicted? 00:55:59 Speaker 10: Now they're going to do is in time first. Then we've been waiting out the door, and he gets released and we'll send him home. 00:56:04 Speaker 3: Got it. 00:56:05 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna play a clip here from Gavin Newsom and I'll have you respond quickly. 00:56:09 Speaker 3: Here at SOT six. 00:56:11 Speaker 2: It's self evident. It's a self optimist advice. Do the work to you to say, when in fact it's Ice in the. 00:56:19 Speaker 12: Conditions that have been perpetuating on the streets of America of what often is described as a secret police that took an over office, not to the Constitution but to Gonald Trump. 00:56:34 Speaker 2: The whole thing is rather worse. And I don't know how it ends well. I'm not suggesting it's going badly. I just I don't know the behavior of this administration to negotiate an agreement. 00:56:47 Speaker 12: With Democrats to address the device and the other Americans concerned about how ICE is currently being deployed and utilized. 00:56:56 Speaker 2: I just wish the president would take responsibility. 00:56:59 Speaker 4: So this is him playing off a narrative from the left where somehow Ice agents at airports or whatever. This is the secret police. They're gonna There were some senators that were saying they were going to shoot people in the in the airports. So we end where we begin. Tom Your reaction to this narrative that they're trying. 00:57:15 Speaker 10: To build the same people who push this negative, you know, narrative against ice agents are the same ones that want to take the masks off. 00:57:23 Speaker 8: There are reason we're wearing the masks. 00:57:25 Speaker 10: Their haypo Rietic is convinced that small percentage of people who are already nuts to take you know, by axe against ice officers. So you know, they if their hyperritic doesn't decrease, directs will continue to rise, assaults will continued to rise. But they're obviously the great danger and it gives us more reason to try to protect themselves in their families. So you know, and I'll say this, Democrats, members of char can argue and complain. All they want were enforce the laws they enacted. If they don't like it, change the law, if they want to cross Nazis for and four wishing the law that they wrote, what's that make them? They created the law. So we're going to keep enforcing laws as as mandated by Congress. That's appropriated funding to do this. That's exactly what we're going to do. The American people have spoken. They put Donald Trump in the old office to enforce him regraced law and security border. We've got the most secure border in the history of this nation, and we're doing record number of rest deportations. It's knock on the stop. 00:58:24 Speaker 4: And mark Waynemullen is the new Secretary of DHS. Commas not dramas. I believe that that is our future. Let's wrap this man in bubble wrap. National hero and Treasure. Borders are tom home and thank. 00:58:35 Speaker 3: You, sir. We'll see you soon. 00:58:37 Speaker 8: Thanks for having me. 00:58:40 Speaker 4: Hi, folks, Andrew Colvett here, I'd like to tell you about my friends over at y Refi. You've probably been hearing me talk about y Refi for some time now. We are all in with these guys. 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And Addison is the SU chapter vice president. So welcome, Welcome to the. 00:59:58 Speaker 13: Charlie Kirkshow thank you for robbing us? 01:00:00 Speaker 4: All right, So the real most important question is who did better yesterday? 01:00:05 Speaker 3: Jack Posoviac or Blake Neff? Jack? 01:00:08 Speaker 6: Oh, can I just turn around so that you can stab me in the past? 01:00:15 Speaker 3: I mean, Jack is not here. You had an easy layup, But that's fine. I appreciate the candor, all right. 01:00:20 Speaker 4: So yeah, So Uh, tell us, what was it like kind of getting back into the event world, pick up the mic having it on your chapter yesterday. 01:00:29 Speaker 11: Oh, it was awesome. 01:00:31 Speaker 9: We it was very expedited, so it was fun to see all of the hard work put into it, and it was definitely hard to fly her and get an advertised But I think we had a good turnout and it was really great having Blake and Jack, So it was awesome. 01:00:47 Speaker 3: Yeah. 01:00:48 Speaker 4: It's an important like muscle memory for chapters to have, is like get out and fly or get out and do the thing table announce the event. What was What was the reaction from students? 01:00:57 Speaker 13: I think it was well received and I think students are pre shaded the fact that they could go up to the mic and you know, if they disagreed, that's okay. And being able to hear both sides of the conversation, which is I think the number one thing that Charlie prioritized. 01:01:09 Speaker 3: M hmm. Yeah. 01:01:11 Speaker 4: So what has it been like in the aftermath of when we lost Charlie. 01:01:15 Speaker 3: What's it been like for your chapter? 01:01:17 Speaker 9: The chapter has grown exponentially, it's been so there's light at the. 01:01:22 Speaker 11: End of the tunnel of silver lining. Yeah, silver lining that everything. 01:01:27 Speaker 9: It's been awesome seeing everyone who didn't necessarily think that they wanted to get involved in politics until obviously seeing how important it is to be involved politically and talking to your peers getting involved on campus because they didn't see that before. They didn't think they needed the part to be a part of turning point because they were just like, oh, like, it'll go how it goes. But now they actually see a reason to, you know, step up and make their opinions. 01:01:58 Speaker 3: Heard same question to you, Charlie died. 01:02:01 Speaker 13: I think it really just put a spark under our butts. I know I got involved a turning point after Charlie was assassinated. Yeah, and just seeing how people have come together after that, it just makes our voices stronger. 01:02:15 Speaker 4: Blake, I have lots of questions, but you know you're the one who went and spent time with them. 01:02:20 Speaker 6: Yes, yes, I suppose. I suppose. It's do you see any what do they in the wake of Charlie's loss. Is there something that particularly appeals to him about his legacy? Do you see them leaning more towards the faith side of things maybe than the past, or do they see him as a guy to look towards in terms of debate, argument politics. 01:02:42 Speaker 5: Just I don't know. 01:02:43 Speaker 6: I'm trying to think of how young people look to Charlie now that he's no longer with us. 01:02:48 Speaker 13: I can speak for myself, and I think that my thoughts on activism have certainly come up. It makes me just want to get more involved with knocking on doors, getting people to sign up for being a PC, et cetera, et cetera. And I think maybe for more people on ASU just it sparks us to have even more open debates hearing clearly what the other side has to say. 01:03:10 Speaker 9: I think he remains controversial definitely. People who are part of the Trapter obviously see him as a great debater, and it doesn't matter what they thought of him before. They still appreciate what he's done for the youth and making our voices heard onlike the liberal side of things. They they don't like him still, I don't think they hate him as much to the extent that maybe they did before, because. 01:03:37 Speaker 5: They see that you do you run? 01:03:39 Speaker 6: It has to be asked, do you run into people? Will let people ever ridicule you about Charlie being dead? 01:03:46 Speaker 5: What will they do? 01:03:47 Speaker 9: Yeah, they don't stop yeah, they say like crazy things and they. 01:03:51 Speaker 11: Don't have a conversation with us. Yes, we're tabling. 01:03:54 Speaker 9: They'll walk past us and say something diabolical and it's very rude. 01:04:00 Speaker 6: I actually I heard last night that apparently someone showed up at a meeting at I think when Erica showed up at the chapter and they made some sort of joke about Charlie being dead or something, and oh, oh well, he. 01:04:14 Speaker 11: Got put in his place. For sure. 01:04:16 Speaker 9: I don't think he met any mal intent with that comment. He didn't know Erica was there. I'm sure he would have held his tongue a little bit more. I hope he knew, because he's a great guy. 01:04:27 Speaker 11: He was just trying to be funny. 01:04:28 Speaker 3: Oh dear, Oh well, that's not a funny thing, the joke. 01:04:31 Speaker 4: And that's, by the way, that's what I told the the whatever, the progressive group that's trying to troll and draft off turning point. I just said, don't don't disrespect my dead friend, and don't don't post pictures on social media. 01:04:45 Speaker 3: It's not cool. It's not funny. 01:04:47 Speaker 4: You know, I don't care what Trump says, like, yeah, okay, he didn't he They made this whole point about Bob Mueller and who was the other guy, the the actor Rob b Reiner, And I was just like, so, what if you don't like it when he does it, why are you doing it to us? Why are you doing that to Charlie? Anyways, So I want to talk about some of the issues. We've only got two and a half minutes in this segment. We have a whole nother segment Iran. What are even Trump supporting students? Students, you know, voted for Trump. What are they feeling about the Iran war? 01:05:19 Speaker 13: I think that mostly they're saying, you know, Trump said no new wars. Now we're in a war, talking about prices going up, especially gas. I don't know if you want to add on that, Addie. 01:05:30 Speaker 5: Wait a minute, student, is he still driver? 01:05:33 Speaker 3: Yeah? 01:05:36 Speaker 5: Okay, you guys are living large. I didn't have a car in college. 01:05:39 Speaker 13: I don't either. 01:05:40 Speaker 11: They're mixed. 01:05:41 Speaker 9: People who voted for Trump are either in support of him or they're totally against it, because, like Danny said, no new wars, that's one of the primary reasons. At least I voted for him, and a lot of the people and the chapter voted for him. And we don't want to lose American lives. 01:05:58 Speaker 3: Does this change your opinion of the president? 01:06:01 Speaker 9: Uh, My opinion of the president hasn't really changed all that much. I obviously am not in full support for everything that he does, and I didn't want any new wars. I don't think interference in the Middle East is in America's best interests. 01:06:20 Speaker 11: So they're the same. 01:06:22 Speaker 4: So you still support the president, but you don't support this particular war, that's correct. 01:06:27 Speaker 3: Okay. 01:06:28 Speaker 4: So when you hear people talking about they've been a threat to the United States for forty seven years, the nuclear threat, they what was that island, the Diego gar Diego Garcia Island. When you see that they actually have the ability to shoot missiles extraordinarily far, but I think that was like two thousand miles away. Does does any of that change the way you think about it? Is it's still just like, hey, it's thousands of miles away. It's we want to be nation built here at home. 01:06:53 Speaker 9: Well, like you said, they we've been saying Iran has been building a nuke for forty seven years and they just don't have one. 01:07:01 Speaker 11: So sure, so I don't really see them. 01:07:03 Speaker 4: When you see Jared Kushner and Steve woodcoff say we sat with them and they said they have enough nuclear material to build eleven nukes. That those kind of things don't change your calculus. I'm not giving I'm not trying to tell you right or wrong. 01:07:14 Speaker 3: I'm just wondering. 01:07:15 Speaker 4: I'm trying to get inside your psyche, like what works, what is persuasive, what's not well. 01:07:20 Speaker 9: I think the military in the Operation Epic Fury, they've been targeting those facilities and they have hit them. We've decimated their nuclear capacity from what I have seen. 01:07:30 Speaker 13: Can I just add something I actually disagree. 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But you've heard this like forty seven years. 01:09:12 Speaker 4: This is a war that's been going on, or it's a problem that's been left to fester, and so you're not persuaded by those you it sounds like, are more persuaded. 01:09:22 Speaker 3: What what do you think about your peers? Though? 01:09:24 Speaker 4: If you had to, like take a snapshot of the Turning Point chapter, a lot of conservative young people. Is it fifty to fifty seventy thirty? 01:09:32 Speaker 11: I would say it's twenty eighty eighty percent being not. 01:09:36 Speaker 3: Against it against? Would you agree with that? Okay? 01:09:39 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's listen, there's no right or wrong answers here. I just want to know the truth. I want to like get inside the brain of the gen Z college student. So I don't know if you have a follow up on that, specifically on Iran, but it's fertile ground obviously. 01:09:53 Speaker 3: What do you want to see what happened? Yeah? 01:09:55 Speaker 6: I mean I would also just i'd be interested in not just the war. 01:09:58 Speaker 5: But like the bigger picture. 01:09:59 Speaker 4: Well yeah, yeah, but while we've got a minute and fifty seven left, So the point is, what would you like to see happen? 01:10:06 Speaker 3: I mean, at this point we're in it, do you just is it. 01:10:09 Speaker 4: Like the goal is to get out as quickly as possible, that would be a win. I mean, is there any salvaging this? Do you think that Do you think that you said eighty or against? Do you think those eighty percent are still going to vote for President Trump in the midterm or the Republicans the midterms or yes, I. 01:10:26 Speaker 9: Still think they vote for Trump in the mid terms. However, I think the end goal would be regime change, which I'm totally against. I mean, iron when they experienced our interference with their regime put implementing the SHAW, they overthrew it. So I don't think the United States has very much a. 01:10:48 Speaker 3: Good track record in the track. 01:10:50 Speaker 9: Yeah, exactly, and I would say the same for my peers. 01:10:54 Speaker 3: And maybe take that same question. 01:10:57 Speaker 4: But outside of turning point, you know, a lot of people voted for President Trump for the first time. Maybe you were one of them in twenty twenty four. I don't know if you were old enough yet. But do you feel like he's lost a bunch of people that are never going to vote Republican now or do you think it's salvageable. 01:11:13 Speaker 13: I don't know about a bunch of people. I would say definitely the higher propensity to Republicans will probably be voting for him Again, maybe the lower propensity to Republicans that maybe this was their first time voting Republican or they tend to lean more moderate. I think maybe he might have lost some of their votes. 01:11:27 Speaker 3: Got it all right? 01:11:28 Speaker 4: Well, I think this is listen again, no right or wrong answers. Will you just want to hear what you really think? Okay, this is not you know, toe the party line hour, So let's take this broader. What are would you say are the main issues that students are talking about when it comes. 01:11:43 Speaker 3: To politics right now? 01:11:44 Speaker 9: Immigration, for sure, that's definitely split up right now. I would say the Conservatives are for more mass deportations and liberals are more for you know, aiding them and helping them and since they help out our economy, oh they should stay here is definitely an issue. And then again affordability, Uh, prices are skyrocketed, wages are low. 01:12:07 Speaker 13: That's exactly what I was gonna say. Immigration too, Immigration and affordability. 01:12:11 Speaker 4: So obviously the Turning Point chapter wants more of a hardline immigration approach. 01:12:18 Speaker 3: But what about the larger student body. 01:12:21 Speaker 13: I think at a s U I conducted interviews regarding ICE. We had a bunch of ICE protests on campus. When was that like a month ago maybe, And it was an overwhelming response of f ICE, get them off of our campus, get them out of America, you know, like nobody's you know, like on stolen land, you know kind of stuff. Yeah and yeah, I mean we conducted maybe twenty interviews that day and I think we only got two people that were pro ICE. So that was really eye opening. 01:12:52 Speaker 4: So maybe them helping with the TSA lines is this huge new PR blitz where they're going. 01:12:57 Speaker 5: To I mean, i'd have to believe that. 01:13:00 Speaker 6: My guess is you actually probably just need to steamroll this sentiment, is my guess. 01:13:05 Speaker 3: What do you mean? 01:13:06 Speaker 6: Well, Like, I don't think the kind of person who thinks ICE is a fascist paramilitary because they enforce our laws are going to be won over by a TSA line. I think they have they have just kind of have a virus in their brain. I mean, especially if they're also falling for oh, like the US is on stolen land land back. These people they just want to destroy America. Yeah, unfortunately, a very tempting attitude. 01:13:30 Speaker 3: So what about jobs? 01:13:32 Speaker 4: When we talk about immigration H one B, there was some students we'd had on that were super focused on H one B. 01:13:37 Speaker 3: Do you guys talk about H one B maybe stealing college grads jobs. 01:13:41 Speaker 11: Here and there. 01:13:42 Speaker 9: It's definitely there's way too many H one B visas going out that should be going to American citizens first. 01:13:49 Speaker 11: However, that's not it's. 01:13:51 Speaker 3: Not super top of mind. What about jobs in general? The AI revolution? 01:13:56 Speaker 11: I did so. 01:13:57 Speaker 9: One of Jack's talking points was in the agricultual sector which immigrants work in, replacing them with AI when they're deported because of the wages are song like robotics and things, Yeah, mechanization, things like that. 01:14:10 Speaker 11: I totally disagree with that. 01:14:11 Speaker 9: I do think it should be going to Americans, even if that means UH corporations and farms have to raise their wages to incentivize. 01:14:19 Speaker 4: I think automation's probably coming one way the but maybe there's some Yeah, I agree with you. In general, if there's jobs that need to be done, give those two Americans too. Absolutely, Yeah, go ahead, Blake, were you trying to? 01:14:31 Speaker 3: Okay? 01:14:32 Speaker 4: So what are the big topics? Maybe they're related to politics, Maybe they're not that are top of mind right now. Maybe the cultural musical, Maybe it's dating relationships, maybe it's apps. 01:14:44 Speaker 3: What are people? What are kids talking about on college campus right now? 01:14:47 Speaker 9: Well, I think because we're in the political part of campus, we interact with a lot of political people. Politics is obviously one. Donald Trump is a huge one. No one likes him his executive of cabinet. They're all questioning him. Maybe social media as well, that's a big topic, just like the dating market. 01:15:09 Speaker 11: Uh, they don't like it. 01:15:11 Speaker 3: Looks maxing, Yeah, it looks maxing. 01:15:13 Speaker 6: Yeah, we talked about that. Actually a SU is well, a SU has a guy. A s U frat leader is some character on the internet. Now is that an actual student at a s U. 01:15:23 Speaker 5: Or it's not. 01:15:24 Speaker 9: He's not. 01:15:25 Speaker 11: He doesn't even go to a of. 01:15:27 Speaker 3: Course he doesn't. He's he's too busy, like breaking micro fact fractions. 01:15:31 Speaker 5: Now you're thinking now you're thinking of a different you're thinking of clivocular. 01:15:37 Speaker 6: Yeah, you know this because you have to do it for the show. Yeah, we're educating our audience. We need to know the important issues. 01:15:43 Speaker 3: So do women in general, because you two are women. 01:15:48 Speaker 4: If there was a guy here, I'd ask them the same question reverse, But do women when you're thinking about dating young men? 01:15:56 Speaker 3: Is it bleak out there? Is it hard to date? 01:15:59 Speaker 1: You? 01:16:00 Speaker 3: Guys? Happy with your choices at. 01:16:02 Speaker 13: ASU, it's looking pretty dim. 01:16:04 Speaker 3: Oh. 01:16:05 Speaker 4: I feel like a lot of women say that about their their local community. 01:16:09 Speaker 11: So oh, I think the guys are great. 01:16:13 Speaker 3: Okay, so we have a difference of opinion here, guess Okay, well, what's your beef? 01:16:16 Speaker 13: What's your your I think that they're too focused on lust over love. And also I'm young. I'm eighteen. I don't know, like, I just. 01:16:27 Speaker 3: Want to Okay, So you're like a freshman, then I am a freshman. 01:16:29 Speaker 13: I just want to do my own thing. I don't want to you know what I mean. I don't need a date right now. 01:16:32 Speaker 3: You're eighteen, You're totally right right approach. 01:16:34 Speaker 9: What you are? 01:16:34 Speaker 11: You sophomore, I'm nineteen. 01:16:36 Speaker 3: Okay, and you think you you're you have no. 01:16:39 Speaker 9: Issues being surrounded with conservative boys like for most of my week. Yeah, they're great, and there's good people in the world, and sure social media can portray these guys as lustful creatures, will innately they are. 01:16:53 Speaker 11: I think there's more good people. 01:16:55 Speaker 3: In the gaging. 01:16:56 Speaker 4: Do you feel like young men are taking their faith seriously about at least the conservative guys. I mean, there was that NBC poll that pulled all the men and the women, And it was actually the men that wanted to get married, have families like that was their top priorities, and it was the women that put that way down at the bottom of the list. They wanted their careers. They wanted to be boss babes. Do you see that the boss babe thing, the career drive, is that still top of the list for women? 01:17:21 Speaker 9: You think, Oh, definitely, it may be dilated because of what I view on social media, But there are some serious men haters and they're definitely doing the right thing, getting a career, going to school. 01:17:34 Speaker 11: But there's a balance that we have to achieve with that. 01:17:38 Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you think about the whole career versus family thing? How did you break it down? 01:17:41 Speaker 13: I think you can have both. I don't understand why you can't have both. I think a lot of women, maybe it's just on social media, like you said, but I feel like they think they can only have one or the other, and that's just not true. You can have both. 01:17:52 Speaker 3: Well, I've heard it said that you can have both but not necessarily at the same. 01:17:55 Speaker 13: Time, and I don't agree with that. 01:17:58 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean, you're you're eighteen. You haven't done it yet will. 01:18:01 Speaker 4: I have three kids, and I will tell you that prioritizing family is a way better long term payoff. 01:18:08 Speaker 3: That's what I would say. 01:18:09 Speaker 4: Easy for me to say, I go to work every day, so but my wife is my wife is very in agreement with that. Well, you guys, this has been fascinating in a really good conversation, and so thank you guys for making the time and coming. Thank you for supporting Blake and Jack yesterday. What seems like it was a great event. 01:18:25 Speaker 13: It was great. 01:18:26 Speaker 4: Yeah, fantastic, more to come, more to come. Congratulations on the chapter exploding and we'll. 01:18:32 Speaker 3: See you guys soon. 01:18:32 Speaker 13: Thank you, guys, God bless you guys. 01:18:39 Speaker 5: For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to Charliekirk dot com.