Hillary Clinton Is Back, And She's Going After Allie Beth Stuckey

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I didn't see a single reaction, and I knew it was going to say that this is an assault on the freedom of the press. 00:01:54 Speaker 2: Possibly an assault on their democracy. 00:01:58 Speaker 3: No, our Tom, that this is something you see in Russia, That this has been imported by the fascists in the White House, and everything's out of control, a high escalation. No, okay, guys, none of this is true. None of it is remotely true. But shall we just start with reading Don Lehman's lawyer statement. Don Lemon was taken into custody by federal agents last night in Los Angeles, where he was covering the Grammy Awards. Don has been a journalist for thirty years, and his constitutionally protected work in Minneapolis was no different than what he has always done. Hmmm. The First Amendment exists to protect journalists whose role it is to shine light on the truth and to hold those in power accountable. There is no more important time for people like Don to be doing this work. Instead of investigating the federal agents who killed two peaceful Minnesota protesters, the Trump Justice Department is devoting its time, attention, and resources to this arrest. And that is the real indictment of wrongdoing in this case. The unprecedented attack on the First Amendment and transparent attempt to distract attention from the many crises facing this administration will not stand. Don will fight these charges vigorously and thoroughly. 00:03:11 Speaker 2: You can unpack like three or four different lives in this two paragraph statement, Like so, first of all, just that line really galls me to protect journals whose roles to shine light on the truth and hold those in power accountable. This guy was not haranguing a lawmaker. This guy was not disclosing classified documents. This guy went and joined a group of people who busted into a church during worship to harass a worship leader they say is involved with ice that is not holding people in power accountable. That is helping a bunch of people harass someone. And he's and he's cheering it on. It's like, oh, yeah, that's the that's the price of protest. Does all these kids sub well, that's that six year old he's crying in church. Yeah, you're really holding the powerful accountable. 00:03:50 Speaker 3: Don Yeah, and the there's that instance. But he actually on video kissed the lead protester, said thank you for your service, cheered them on. There he is kissing the protest. This is distress them out a little bit. 00:04:05 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:04:06 Speaker 3: She's now claiming that when she was arrested that she was like a slave because she studied this in school. Blake, you know, the power of a college degree. 00:04:15 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I don't know. I kind of just doubt these people study. 00:04:19 Speaker 3: Yeah, but I don't know if they study anything. So predictably, the media freak out is real, and it is being led by none other than Brian Stelter, fuming about his former colleague at CNN being arrested five oh three. 00:04:32 Speaker 4: A disturbing escalation against reporting in America. And I would also put it in the framework of protests. You know, this is part of an ongoing pressure campaign against protests, especially the kind of provocative anti Trump protest action that we have seen, makes the administration so uncomfortable. This is an action, This arrest of Don Lemon, this arrest of this independent journalist who is live streaming and reporting in Minnesota. This is something that some MAGA loyalists have been demanding. They've and wanting to see it happen. When Trump promised retribution, this is the kind of retribution but some of his voters, not all, but some of his voters wanted to see. And I think that is for better or for worse, some of the contexts for what we're seeing this morning. 00:05:14 Speaker 3: Molly Jung fast very very upset. If you don't know who she is, consider yourself lucky for ninety eight. 00:05:21 Speaker 5: Think about the countries where journalists are targeted by the federal government by their governments. 00:05:27 Speaker 6: Russia, China, Turkey. 00:05:29 Speaker 5: They're not democracies. I mean, this kind of thing, it's a shot across the bow right towards the free press, and it's scary. 00:05:39 Speaker 2: I feel like I was time warping back to twenty fourteen with better countries where journalists are Has she ever worked at National Public Radio? I need to find out the National Public Radio doesn't pop up, that's impossible for me to confiend. 00:05:53 Speaker 3: With guys, he was just arrested for doing his job for ninety five And again I keep climbing back to this and the context here is it. 00:06:02 Speaker 2: Yeah, Don Lemon has been an enemy of the MAGA movement for quite some time. 00:06:05 Speaker 3: He's disliked by the Trump administration. That doesn't matter. 00:06:08 Speaker 7: What matters here is he was being a journalist who was doing his job and has now been arrested for doing his job. 00:06:16 Speaker 3: That like the reactions were so predictive. 00:06:20 Speaker 2: It's super different and just yeah, like you know, I think he might have a defense if it was a one hundred percent neutral report and he's like this mob is going in and like I think people should see what's going on. It still might rub a lot of people the wrong way, but like he would have a defense. But he's clearly on team protester. He's kissing the protesters, he's cheering them on as these children sob in his immediate vicinity, and he was told to leave it and refuse to do so. He is a collaborator with the forcible disruption of a worship event, which is illegal. 00:06:52 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, and so he is facing just to be clear, eighteen US Code two forty one, conspiracy to deprive rights, eighteen US Code two forty eight, violation of the Face Act. Terrorizing Christians is a mistake. It is illegal to do so, especially in their home and their place of worship. Don Lemon, you were not above the law. Which leads me to the final quote that I would like to play, which is from Don Lemon in twenty nineteen five to fifteen. Nobody is above the law. Nobody's above the law. Can I get it again for the people in the back five point fifteen. Nobody is above the law. Nobody's above the law. 00:07:32 Speaker 2: We should have that as a sound bite. We can just like have them like chime that in every time it gets ready sound We should do that. We should have that anytime one of these goons gets arrested. We just have Don Lehman's nobody voice, Pellish voice, whatever I send upon us. 00:07:45 Speaker 3: I agree, we played this. This is Nikima Levy Armstrong. This is the organizer of this very ill advised pro tost. No, this is this is harassment. It's illegal. You can't do this in a house of worship. Five oh six. 00:08:02 Speaker 8: We had belly chains around our waists and we had handcuffs with bars in the middle. As someone who majored in African American studies, I can tell you that that is the closest I ever felt to slavery in my life, being shackled as if I was a slave. 00:08:22 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm actually gonna I'm you know, I'm gonna do something surprising. I'm going to agree with her. That is the closest she's ever been to slavery, because America is not the insane. Good thank you, she says, good tech She's not a slave, Thank goodness, Thank Heavens for the Christian crusaders who made that reality. 00:08:40 Speaker 3: Amen. And that's a good take. It's a really good take. 00:08:42 Speaker 2: It just proves that your whole life has been really, really privileged and really really redeemed from previous eras and epics like in which black people say, God that the closest any of us will ever be to slavery is being handcuffed with crime when we commit crimes. 00:08:57 Speaker 3: So, but here's the ethic. We just have to call it out. Studied African American studies, and I know, and it's like stop, just anytime you start a sentence with here's my degree. This is why I you know I can have this opinion. You just need to stop because nobody cares. And by the way, if you're gonna claim that you've got an African American studies degree or whatever, we're gonna really judge you because that's a stupid degree to get. I'm just gonna say it. You don't commit crimes, you don't break into churches. It's pretty pretty straightforward. Okay, all right, I want you to consider the different situations where people would be willing to die. 00:09:37 Speaker 2: People would be willing to die in war in the past. Maybe now people are people don't really commit themselves to things that. 00:09:44 Speaker 3: People would be willing to die in war. Secondly, it's still happening. That's how I know it's true. People would be willing to die for their family, for their kids. Right. We commend a mom that would be willing to run in front of a bus to save her child. And people would be willing to die for their faith. We call them martyrs. Charlie was a martyr. But that's what makes what's happening in Minneapolis and around the country so disturbing is because people are apparently willing to die to protect illegal immigrants that have no business being in this country because they are brown coded and the law enforcement are white coated, or imperialists versus colonialists, versus oppressor versus oppressed, all of these frameworks are at play. It's an ideology, it's a cult. So assassination culture is one thing, and we should talk about that with Mangione. 00:10:33 Speaker 2: That's the other news today, if people haven't heard, while we have had Don Laman arrested. Also today in federal court, they dismissed the highest murder charge against Luigi Mangoni that would have left him open to the death penalty. So death penalty is off the table for a guy who went and hunted a father because of the job he had and assassinated him in cold blood. 00:10:57 Speaker 3: So at the very least we know he's going to live out the rest of his day. 00:11:00 Speaker 2: I'm worried, you know, I'm actually worried on that front. It's just been one thing after another the left. We've seen this with the attacks on ice, where the left will basically do jury nullification for someone who does a raming attack on ice officers. It's twelve people you need unanimity. You only need one of them to decide, Actually, I like what this guy did. 00:11:19 Speaker 3: It's true. Let's hope that doesn't happen. But you're absolutely right to flag it as a concern. 00:11:27 Speaker 2: Howdy Blake here. You know, in moments like this, truth really matters. The truth was important to Charlie. 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Join the Angel Guild today at angel dot com slash Charlie Kirk become a member and stream thank you doctor Fauci today. 00:12:37 Speaker 3: And listen. Assassination culture is terrible. We've warned about it, Charlie warned about it, which is one of the tragedies of tragedies. But for the ability to convince other people to sacrifice their lives for by death by suicide, it would be one thing, but death by suicide by law enforcement is a whole other thing. So this is what's interesting. So we commend martyrs in a faith, since Christian martyrs are heroes. Charlie was a hero. We commend people that die in war for a righteous cause. And then there's people that will die for family. And what's interesting enough about this is that you know, the Left is a godless movement. They have abandoned God. They have distanced themselves from any types of traditional spirituality in the most part. And what's fascinating is that they have been convinced to do so for immigration, for illegal immigrants, for illegal immigrant criminals that have been oftentimes found guilty of homicide, child rape, trafficking, drug trafficking, and it is a fascinating show because the CIA would be jealous of this. The color revolution is that we have talked about in foreign countries, would marvel at the ability to get so many people in mass to believe a lie. And that is what we are watching. The Left has managed to hijack traits of patriotism, faith, and family, three things that they actively oppose. Yet they still understand that the power that could be wielded by these ties is so powerful. It's motivations so deep that they come from these natural structures, these god given structures that we are all supposed to be behind, and they've hijacked. And so they believe that they are in a literal, physical war. Their religion of tolerance is under attack by the rule of law, by law and order, and they have substituted what is a real family, the nuclear family, the god given family. And now they talk about their comrades, the movement, the global citizenry, the oppressed, the marginalized. That's their new family. And so I just think it's a really fascinating thing. And where does all of this happen. It's happening on social media. The algorithms are designed to divide us. The algorithm on your social media is going to be different than mine, different than Blake's. The algorithms are going to give you what you want to see. They're going to reinforce your biases. They're going to reinforce the things that you already think, feel, and see. So even when you see a counter opinion, that opinion is supposed to enrage you. It's supposed to send you off a cliff and think, how could these people be so ignorant. It's not going to give you the content that maybe would help you see things from a different perspective. It's supposed to enrage you. It's supposed to make you hate those people. And our next guest is going to be Alibeth Stucky from the Blaze. She's been calling out and warning about the Instagram slop that she is seeing. Now. She is a conservative Christian woman, she's one of the leaders of that space. And what is she seeing even in her Instagram feed. She's seeing rage bait, anti ice slop, even in her self selected conservative Christian female American algorithm. It is being inundated with antislap and what is it leading to? It's leading to kamakazi Karens in the streets of Minneapolis that are willing to sacrifice their lives. It's leading to walkouts at high schools all across the country. We're seeing that here in Phoenix today and across the country. It's leading to a degradation and a delegitimization of law enforcement. 00:16:19 Speaker 2: It's really scary if she's and I'm not surprised at all because I remember George Floyd in twenty twenty. I remember huge amounts. It wouldn't be slop at that time. We didn't have AI, but it was the extreme vulnerability of people who should know better to this emotional manipulation of the left. It's an extremely powerful emotional manipulation machine to present you with images to make you feel bad, to really reinforce them. With a lot of people all freaking out at the same time, and you get in this bubble that can last really until everything boils over. And with Floyd, with Floyda Paloza, you remember, it took years to build up to that. It started like with Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown, and they would come and they can go, and it would come, and it would go, and it would get more and more intense, and finally they burned down half the country well and Pattible got a little over it. And we're seeing it with this Ice where I think they're building up this bigger psychosis, and I'm very worried about where that might end up, where they'll just get whipped up until finally some lunatic who sees, oh Luigi Mangoni is a hero and he's not even going to get executed, or frankly, Tyler Robinson, some people think he's a hero, and they'll think I can be like that person, and they'll go and they'll buy a gun and they'll go and try to shoot a bunch of ICE agents. 00:17:33 Speaker 3: Mm hmm. 00:17:33 Speaker 2: I think that is what they're building towards. 00:17:35 Speaker 3: I completely agree. And it's a pattern. They're playing us off, the same pattern. It's the same people that believed and fell for the BLM and the Black Square hoax, same people that believed in the pronouns and the bio, the believe all women, the defund police, the vax and mask if you love your neighbor, all of the same things. They're falling for it again. And those same people are falling for it and spreading their influence all over Instagram and TikTok Brett Kavan as a rapist, Trump is a racist Trump's hitler. It's the same pattern to enrage, divide, to spread lies without anybody pushing back against them, because the algorithm has already decided that that's not going to happen. Do not fall for the pattern. Do not fall for the rage bait build up immunities. Think critically, and I really believe that that's the key. We are losing our ability to think critically and we have to call it out and hopefully see a revitalization of critical thinking skills and independent thinking. We are joined by Ali Beth's Stucky, host of relatable podcast plays TV check it out there. Also. She is the author of a book called Toxic Empathy, How progressive is exploit Christian compassion? And that has been targeted by none other than Hillary Rodham Clinton. 00:19:00 Speaker 2: Remember her? 00:19:01 Speaker 3: Which is yeah, which is as I am so jealous of Ali Beeth Stucky for getting targeted by Hillary Rodham Clinton. So without where they to do? Ali, welcome back to the show. 00:19:12 Speaker 6: Yeah, thank you so much. 00:19:13 Speaker 2: Can you can you introduce Hillary Rodham Clinton to our younger viewers? They may not be familiar with her at this point. 00:19:19 Speaker 6: Kay, Hillary Rodham Clinton. Back in the day, you know Trump. Everyone knows Trump, right. 00:19:24 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I think we got. 00:19:26 Speaker 6: That, Kamala Harris. 00:19:28 Speaker 7: But long long time ago, when a lot of you were maybe just being born, he went up against someone named Hillary Clinton. 00:19:37 Speaker 6: She's not a newbie. 00:19:38 Speaker 7: She's got a long and storied history in American politics. And I was not expecting this new burst of publicity for me and my book that came out over a year ago from none other than Secretary Clinton. 00:19:50 Speaker 6: But here we are. 00:19:52 Speaker 3: Well, congratulations. She has a lot to say about you. She called you the I think the Commissar of Maga Morality. 00:20:00 Speaker 6: Which goes so hard. 00:20:01 Speaker 3: Yeah, it goes so hard. Very good. I mean I left how she sort of you know, filtered in her own little communist language there her vocabulary, she says. The author of Toxic Empathy, who styles herself a voice for Christian women, has more than a million followers on social media, and it goes on. This Commissar of Maga Morality targets other evangelicals, whose empathy, she warns, has left them open to manipulation. Maybe they recognize the humanity of an undocumented immigrant family and decide that mass deportation is gone too far, or or they make space in their heart for a young rape survivor forced to carry a pregnancy to term and start questioning the wisdom and morality of total abortion bands. It's all toxic to Stucky. 00:20:44 Speaker 7: Your response, Yeah, you know, I just appreciate that she gave me two blatant examples of toxic empathy. We should see the humanity and an illegal immigrant because they're made in the image of God. That should not lead us to want to prohibit deportations or the enforcement of our common sense immigration law. We should have compassion for the rape survivor who is now pregnant. That should not lead us to support the death penalty for the baby. So this is exactly my point that we should be having compassion for all different kinds of people, but that compassion should not lead us to a firm sin or support really destructive policy, both for our families and for our country. So thank you so much, Hillary for being an example of that. 00:21:26 Speaker 3: Well, so this reminded me of a rant that please get me the clip, guys, the Greg Guttfeld rant. I can't find it right now, but it is so spot on. And actually I said something similar yesterday reacting to the Bruce Springsteen clip. He's got this new song out in the streets of Minneapolis, and he's talking about we won't forget their names as they roam and kill the ice agents, and we won't forget Renee Good and Alex Pretty. And it instantly occurred to me Ali that we have no songs for Lake and Riley. We have no songs for Rachel morn, We have no songs for Jocelyn Hungary, we have no songs for Molly Tibbets. We do not have any of that. And yet the selective outrage is so is such that we have a song now for what's happening in Minneapolis. What do you think it is about Minneapolis that is so enraging for the progressive left. 00:22:23 Speaker 7: Look, I think it's exactly what we're talking about. They now have victims that they can venerate as saints and as martyrs. 00:22:30 Speaker 6: We saw that. 00:22:30 Speaker 7: Of course, y'all talked about it, with Anna Navarro saying that Alex Preddi was the kind of guy that you would want to bring home for your daughters. 00:22:37 Speaker 6: Just absolutely absurd stuff. 00:22:39 Speaker 7: You can debate what actually happened when he lost his life without elevating him to this level that they elevated George Floyd, which is basically that he was a perfect person sent by God to show us what injustice really looks like. And they're not going to waste a tragedy. They're not going to waste a loss of a loss of life. They are going to use it to advance their cause, which is chaos, open borders, destruction. This audience knows everything about that, but they are going to leverage your natural compassion, your instinctive empathy, to manipulate you into believing that supporting their policies is the only way to be a good person in advance the cause of justice. And I just want everyone this is the whole purpose of what I do, the purpose of my book to step back and say I can see the humanity and Alex Pretty and Renee good without supporting a policy that would lead to defunding the police or defunding ICE that would lead to more Lake and Riley's and more Molly Tivotsus and more Kate Steinley's. Because I love my neighbor, and by the way, Lake and Riley was my neighbor too, and because I care about her and I care about innocent life, I'm going to continue to support immigration enforcement. 00:23:50 Speaker 3: Hi, folks, Andrew Colvett here, I'd like to tell you about my friends over at why Refin. 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You see law and order getting returned to the streets of Memphis, Washington, DC and elsewhere. See the fruits of ventanyl deaths are plummeting because we're actually taking that seriously. Women are not getting trafficked over the southern border. We're not missing another five hundred thousand underage miners that happened to be from south of the border. Where was the empathy for these things? And this is why I am just so I love this clip. Greg Goettfeldt went off yesterday five four. 00:25:25 Speaker 1: How did we get here? 00:25:27 Speaker 3: Pull back? 00:25:27 Speaker 5: How did we get here? An open border that let millions in? And you guys didn't give two. 00:25:33 Speaker 1: Ads scrub outs, okay, right for that border? 00:25:36 Speaker 5: All right, all right, right, we had dozens of deaths. What you didn't say, Jocelyn Hungarye Lake and Riley, Rachel Morin, Molly Tibbetts. 00:25:46 Speaker 3: Here's three pages of. 00:25:47 Speaker 5: Women who have been murdered by illegal aliens in the last like seven or eight years, the seven or eight years that we've been here talking about this and mocked over it. 00:25:57 Speaker 3: He goes on and I put it on my my X page, so please check that out. It was vintage Greg Gottfeld. You have been calling out where a lot of this rage is coming from, though, and it's on Instagram. Now, you are a conservative Christian, you probably follow a lot of conservative Christians, and yet you have been observing a trend on Instagram. What is it? And why are you sounding the alarm? 00:26:21 Speaker 7: It's twenty twenty all over again. I remember when I woke up on June second or third in twenty twenty, and I thought my Instagram was glitching because I saw these black squares take over my feed, even from people who call themselves Christian conservatives, and maybe they had a Bible Verse underneath, but some of them said, you know, black lives matter, and the underlying common assumption and all of that was that George Floyd died because of systemic racism, because Derek Chauvin was racist. And the only question that I asked in my head and then later publicly, was how do I know that's true? How do I know that's true? And frankly, I had read too much Thomas Oll and Walter Williams at that point to be duped by all of it, So I just started pointing out that your compatit is lopsided. You don't have any compassion for all of these innocent people who are being killed by the rioters. That's the definition of injustice, punishing someone for something that they did not do, which is exactly what happened with the chaos of twenty twenty and the same thing, of course, is happening today. Everyone feels the pressure to signal their virtue. And what bothers me is that people who never pipe up about politics, who never say anything about what's going on when Biden or Obama is president, all of the so called kids in cages, the miners, separated from parents and lost under the Biden administration, now feel the urgency to say, oh, I've got to pipe up about politics. I'm like, look, there's a long list of injustices that occur when Trump is not president that I and others would have loved your voice on. 00:27:45 Speaker 6: I never hear you talk about abortion. 00:27:47 Speaker 7: I never hear you talk about the kids whose bodies are being chopped up because they've been told that they are the wrong gender. I don't hear you talk about any of those injustices. So at least be fair, at least be fair, but you should ask yourself, why why is your public outrage completely dictated by what the liberal media says is wrong? 00:28:05 Speaker 6: And if you can't be fair, just be quiet, Blake. 00:28:10 Speaker 2: It's there's something about this, like it's that ability to just get it's like a hitting a light switch, the ability to get whipped up entirely selectively based on who's in office, who, what's on the news, and it cries out for a better so like psychological explanation. And I'm not entirely sure what it is, because like what's going on in this person's head where you didn't care about these things until ten minutes ago, Suddenly it's all important and then you you could like even move on and change your views. And it's like total amnesia that it ever happened, which we've all seen. We've seen the people who were entirely whipped up, for example, in Floyda Palooza, and then today it's like it never happened. What why do you care about that? And it happened to so many things. 00:29:00 Speaker 7: Imagery is compelling, and when you put up a picture of a child in his little blue toboggan looking sad, standing alone with you Federal agents. That evokes something in you, and by the way it should, that's something good in your heart. If you saw that picture and you're like, oh my gosh, that poor child. But when that is decontextualized and a completely fabricated narrative is attached to it, and that is what first circulates, it is really hard for me, for you, for anyone else to compete against an image, To compete against a picture with logic, with questions, telling people to not allow their emotion to arrest their critical thinking is really hard because we are all, especially women, emotional creatures. And as we've talked about, as Charlie talked about so often, the progressives don't have the same moral limits that we do. Whereas we don't want to lie, we don't want to misrepresent even if. 00:29:55 Speaker 6: It advances our cause. 00:29:57 Speaker 7: Progressives have an ends just by the means mentality that means, if this lie gets ICE agents off the street, then it'll all be worth it. It's just hard to compete with not impossible, but difficult. 00:30:13 Speaker 3: Well, you think about it, Ali, because you think remember that Nicholas Sandman instance where it was it looked like this young maga young you know, they said a. 00:30:22 Speaker 2: Mob way surrounded an Indian elder, yes, and harassed him. 00:30:26 Speaker 3: For reason, and it took years in a massive lawsuit to clear his name. And I bet despite that, there is still millions of left wingers and progressives that only get their news from one or two sources that still believe that he was attacking an Indian elder. And you think about that, there. 00:30:45 Speaker 2: Are still people who think, hands up, don't shoot, that's true, that was fate, you know. 00:30:48 Speaker 3: And by the way, there's still people that think that. A lot of people, by the way, that think it was somebody from MAGA that killed Charlie. Because these lies are allowed to be perpetuated and they're not corrected. But it's the first lie, the first image, that ends up making the biggest impact, and right, the lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to put on its pants. And that is really, I think, a tactic that is being weaponized and used because they know that it's effective, and to your point, they don't have the same restraints. I remember during some of the conspiracy theories that we were confronting, which by the way, you've been amazing on with Ali, I got a question from a very prominent person online and we're talking about, well what do you do to confront them? And the question was posed to me, how evil are you willing to be? And I said I'm not and they said, well that really limits your options here. Okay, there's a piece here in the Federalist by Kylie Griswold and she's talking about the same phenomenon. I don't know if you've seen this piece. She's talking about Instagram and she's specifically for young women. She says, the information is low, but the emotion is high on Instagram. You'll learn that Immigration and Customs enforcement used an innocent five year old as a bait and then arrested him, and she says false he was abandoned by his own illegal alien father. You'll learn that that mother and legal observer Renee Good, was gunned down in the streets false, she says. The Ice Watch agitator aimed a weapon ak her two ton suv at a federal officer who had previously been run over by an illegal alien, and then accelerated, hitting him and reportedly causing internal bleeding. You'll learn that the traumatic city's church disruption was First Amendment protected speech and on and on it goes, what do we do? What are I mean, what can be done about this proliferation? Almost got it of highly emotional propaganda? 00:32:42 Speaker 6: Abolish all social media, Wallish social media. 00:32:45 Speaker 7: Well you know, I've had an Instagram for about ten years now, and man, I feel like every two years it's another propaganda battle. 00:32:54 Speaker 6: Twenty sixteen. 00:32:55 Speaker 7: Of course, it was SHOUMP twenty and eighteen, it was Kavanaugh twenty twenty, it was COVID and George Floyd. 00:32:59 Speaker 6: Twenty two it was Roe v. Wade being overturned. 00:33:01 Speaker 7: When we had that flurry of lies about oh, because of pro life legislation, women are dying in emergency rooms. 00:33:07 Speaker 6: We had to debunk that. 00:33:08 Speaker 7: Twenty twenty four, we had the election, And now here we are in twenty twenty six and we've got a similar situation. And so I feel like I've been through the ringer here. But the hopeful thing is that back in twenty twenty, I felt like I was one. 00:33:23 Speaker 6: Of the only white female evangelicals who was like, oh, actually, I don't think I want to post a black square. 00:33:31 Speaker 7: And I was confronted by prominent Christian leaders that this is the wrong move, this is divisive, this is racist. You should be you know, a part of reconciliation. You should have more empathy. That's what inspired my books. Sometimes it doesn't matter what the facts are. I was told verbatim multiple times. Sometimes it doesn't matter what the truth is. You just have to express your empathy. And that is where I was like, Nope, that is leading us in a really, really bad direction, because public messaging effects public opinion, which affects public policy. 00:34:02 Speaker 6: Which affects the public. 00:34:04 Speaker 7: It affects people like real lives are lost when we defund the police, when we exacerbate the rights and things like that. So the encouraging part, though, is that now, in twenty twenty six, six years later, I do feel when I look to my right and left, not politically, but when I look around, I see more people like me who have platforms, who are willing to say I'm not going to join in with that, I'm not going to repost that at least I'm going to take some time to figure out what's really going on. 00:34:34 Speaker 6: And then you've got other people who are you. 00:34:36 Speaker 7: Know, courageous, being like no, that's that's not the right narrative, and actually, like there are other circumstances going on here, and I don't think that that's true. So I'm encouraged by that there are more of us now than there were six years ago, and so we just got to keep pushing. Obviously it's working, or Hillary Rodham Clinton would not be taking out six thousand words the Atlantic to try to urge women back into her folds. 00:35:03 Speaker 6: Of toxic empathy. 00:35:05 Speaker 7: By the way, giving a full response to Hillary Clinton later today on my channel. But obviously they're scared, and so we got to keep slugging. 00:35:15 Speaker 2: Yeah, the best hope I can have is maybe you think of how like television impacted people when it first came along, and it fried a lot of brains. You look at an old propaganda reel in World War Two, and if you watch it today, you think this is really stupid. It's really in your face, and it just would not work anymore today because people have gotten used to it. And maybe that's the hope is with social media. We're still in the first generations to encounter this and it cooks our brains really bad, but people who maybe entirely grow up in it will hopefully get used to the manipulation taxics it uses, and we have to hope that because, as you say, it's not just that they're easily propaganda, it's it's also a really dark thing, is the flattening of what maybe call it like flattening of your moral register, where it's very common for people on social media basically view a bad social media take or something they disagree with as equal or worse in moral heinousness to actually killing somebody to actually committing a real life atrocity. And we've seen that over and over. There are people who have gotten canceled off social media who faced far worse effects on their lives than someone who committed a crime in real life, where they'll get a moral cause in their favor and oh, we need to make sure this person gets back on their feet. It's really it's very interesting, and it really drives home the importance of having good moral cultivation. I think we live with an ideal that it's like very easy, you can have naive morality, and no, it has to be cultivated. It's why we need good pastors. It's why we need good religious leaders because a big part of their job is to have that level of moral cultivation, to get past that first hurdle of what's your immediate visual emotional response. 00:36:58 Speaker 3: Totally agree, and we need moralge from you and the audience you listening to Ali show, listening to this show, we need you to get in the comments. When you see people manipulating you, propagandizing you with slop, you have to be brave. You have to be brave. And it's now where I think we're now at a iteration of this where we need more and more voices to rise up. Ali final thirty seconds to you. 00:37:21 Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, Blake, You just made such good points, both of you. But that flattening of like virtue and morality is why empathy should not be your guide, why moral truth has to be your guide, why virtue has to be your guide. It's not about getting rid of compassion. It's allowing your compassion to be guided by what is true, what is logically factually true, but also what is biblically true. 00:37:46 Speaker 6: You can get exhausted by. 00:37:48 Speaker 7: Over untethered empathy, but God's ways stay the same, and if you follow that, you'll be headed in the right direction. 00:37:54 Speaker 3: The truth is unchanging, stay anchored to it. Ali BESTUCKI thank you so much. 00:38:00 Speaker 2: H For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charlikirk dot com,