Happy Birthday, Charlie: Vote Early

00:00:03 Speaker 1: My name is Charlie Kirk. I run the largest pro-American student organization in the country fighting for the future of our republic. My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth. 00:00:14 Speaker 2: If the most important. 00:00:15 Speaker 1: Thing for you is just feeling good, you're going to end up miserable. But if the most important thing is doing good, you will end up purposeful. 00:00:24 Speaker 2: College is a scam, everybody. 00:00:26 Speaker 3: You got to stop sending your kids to college. 00:00:27 Speaker 2: You should get married as. 00:00:28 Speaker 1: Young as possible and have as many kids as possible. Go start a Turning Point USA college chapter. Go start a Turning Point USA high school chapter. Go find out how your church can get involved. Sign up and become an activist. I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade. Most important decision I ever made in my life, and I encourage you to do the same. 00:00:45 Speaker 2: Here I am. Lord, use me. 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A lot of people were sharing. You were passing around that clip where Charlie's saying for his birthday two years ago, what can people do for Charlie's birthday? And he said, go vote. And I took one of those Charlie clips that I posted yesterday. I said, go vote early. And then as I posted it, I realized I haven't voted early yet. I am allowed to vote. And I went and I got in my car and I drove and I voted. It is that simple. Here in Arizona, it's that simple. In a lot of the country, if you are able to vote now in your state, if you want to honor Charlie, go vote now in your state. Not tomorrow. Just do it today. 00:02:36 Speaker 2: Do it today. 00:02:36 Speaker 4: Takes probably 15, 20 minutes. 00:02:38 Speaker 2: Get it done. Let's go ahead and play. This is CK, October 14th, 2024, SOT7. 00:02:46 Speaker 3: It is go time. Go vote right now. 00:02:48 Speaker 1: Look, everybody says, Charlie, what can you get me done? What can you get for your birthday? I want one thing for my birthday. I want you to go vote right now. That's my birthday gift. Give Charlie Kirk a birthday gift by going out and voting right now. Get in the car, listen to Charlie Kirk on the Real America's Voice app, and go vote. 00:03:05 Speaker 2: Fantastic. Fantastic. So that is a huge way to honor Charlie. I can't think of a better way. It's so simple, right? You know, when we lost Charlie, people were like, what can you do? And we said, go to church. Go to church, save a seat for somebody else in the pew, and on October 14th, his birthday, every two years we're going to have an election, and it's a wonderful way to remember Charlie. He was so singularly laser-focused on winning and doing something bigger than yourself for this country, and that is the legacy that he leaves us. It may sound too simple. There's a million things that you can do to honor Charlie, to be more like Charlie, but on October 14th, his words, not ours, go vote. and bring a friend, bring a family member, make a plan to vote, get it done. I actually am in favor, Blake, of making sure that this becomes sort of a drumbeat. Every election that we have a Charlie birthday on, that this is just a way that I want the grassroots to remember this day and to mark this day on the calendar and say, hey, this is a time where we can do something substantial, something definitive, something real, and participate in the civic process. Do what Charlie asked you to do. So October 14th, we miss him dearly. He should have been 33 today, which is wild. I started working with Charlie when he was in his early 20s. And so to think of Charlie at 33 is a wild thing in and of itself. But we miss him. We miss him dearly. And there's so much to get to. We are working our tails off in Arizona. And I heard Steve talking about this in the previous hour. Blake, but the mission that Charlie gave us in Arizona is ongoing. He wanted Andy Biggs to be governor more than anything. I will tell you, when we looked at 2026, Andy put his name in the ring and said, hey, I'm going to run. Charlie said, we're going to back you completely. We believe Andy Biggs is the way that we can turn Arizona into the Florida of the West, the Floridification of the West. And we're well on our way. And I will tell you, an internal poll dropped from Katie Hobbs. And now, Blake, we have Barack Obama swooping in, doing his endorsement video for Katie Hobbs. And it's hilarious. He's painting her like she's some rock rib conservative that's tough on crime, tough on the border, tough on fentanyl. None of this is at all true, by the way. But it's telling, and it should give you hope and encouragement that the Democrats are afraid in Arizona that Obama has to swoop in, paint her like a Republican when she's not. She vetoed all the Republican bills. She basically had to be kicking and screaming to do anything on the border, anything on fentanyl. But that's the way that they're painting her. And so let me just put the stakes here for you. Four point difference, according to Katie Hobbs' internal poll, separating Andy Biggs and Katie Hobbs. And this is what's freaking them out. They know that late breakers and undecideds are going for Andy Biggs two to one. That's right, two to one. For every vote she gets, Andy Biggs is getting two. The state is going to be a base turnout election, and guess what we're doing? We have a 25% larger team on the ground doing get out the vote. So our ballot chasers are on the ground. And our team, we threw everything in the kitchen sink at Arizona in 2024, Blake. This year, our team is 25% bigger. We have 25% larger field army knocking on doors, chasing ballots, and they know that. Plus, we're coming in, we've got the airwaves swamped, telling the truth about who Katie Hobbs is So Arizona is very much in play, and this is the message, everybody. Don't believe the polls. Don't be demoralized. They are an op. They are designed to get you to stay home. And even if there is truth in it at all, guess what? You can be the difference maker. A base turnout election is much different than a general election in the presidentials, okay? Let me explain this to you, and Blake, I'll throw it to you. In a general presidential election, so in 2024, you're going to have 150, 160, 165 million people come out to vote. In a midterm, you're going to have about 100, okay? That means the math is completely different. The math is totally different. It means you've got to get your base out. You've got to get your low props out, all right? So that's why on October 14th, you being the changemaker, you being the difference maker, going and voting just like Blake did is all that counts. So you can make a model, you can make a graph, you can make a poll, but you can't make people vote. You can't make your base turn out and vote. And what we're seeing so far in early returns, we're not doing hopium, we're not doing copium on this show. It's a tough election cycle. But what we're seeing in early returns is not the blue nami that everybody on MSNOW is forecasting. Blake, your take. 00:07:58 Speaker 4: First of all, I just want to say thank you to everyone who sent in birthday messages. We've been getting them all morning. Just a lot of people remember it, so thank you to all of you who remember Charlie. But as Andrew was saying, the best way you can remember Charlie is by making those small steps in your life that go with what he wanted. So on this day, when early voting is happening all across the country, you can honor Charlie by voting early. And on top of that, just think of the other ways. while we're talking about honoring Charlie, the other ways you can do it, it's always make those small changes in your life because the example Charlie set for everyone, the reason we're remembering him now and we'll continue to remember him for many years in the future is because Charlie is a person who he just delivered on all those little things that are all easy to do. They're all easy to do one at a time, but at the same time, that makes it so easy for us to be lazy, push them off another day, and he didn't. He just never did that, and that is why he was so effective. So you should honor him by reading a book every single day, reading something, learning something every day, trying to do a small thing to help someone every day, and honoring God. When you go to church each week, are you asking someone else to go with you? Are you encouraging them to do that? All those are little ways you can honor Charlie. So Think about those ways you can be honoring Charlie in your life and you will be more like him, which is what we all want. And the easiest one you can do today, as we've said, is vote early. Get it done. And then no one can text you to annoy you anymore because they get updates now and they don't want. 00:09:28 Speaker 2: To waste their time. Well, that's a good point. That's a good point. When you vote early, you actually take your name off the list. We can devote our resources elsewhere. So that's something else you need to keep in mind. Allow me to ask you a quick question. When was the last time, if ever... You got a second opinion on your mortgage. Or if you're renting, have you ever wondered if owning a home might actually be more within reach than you think? The truth is a lot has changed over the last few years. Home values have changed. Interest rates have changed. Lending programs have changed. Even your financial goals have probably changed. 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It is especially tough when you're an outsider walking in midterm into an incumbent president's term. You don't know the players. You don't know the decision makers. You don't know the people you go to to get information. You may know the president. You have a relationship with the president. He likes you. But that doesn't make you an able and articulate spokesperson yet. And so it is really hard to walk in midstream and do that. So we've been introduced to her. It's different in the Trump White House because the president. 00:12:19 Speaker 6: Does most of the communicating. 00:12:20 Speaker 5: But she's got a steep slope to climb to be ready for everything that that press is going to throw at her. 00:12:26 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it was wild. I don't know. I actually haven't talked to Blake about this. Yeah, go ahead. 00:12:31 Speaker 4: No, I was just thinking it's like... It's a position almost nobody can understand. It's an incredibly, I guess a lot of places have press flacks, but this is basically the only press flack in America who everything they say will be incredibly heavily scrutinized. Just get us inside the head of a press secretary. What's that prep process like? What are things we might not think about that you need to be thinking about as a press secretary? 00:12:58 Speaker 5: Well, what's really going on inside the head is it's exploding. I mean, there's just so much that you have to be ready for. Typically, at a briefing, they last 30 to 45 minutes, at least when I was press secretary. You would take 20 to 25 different topics. You know, if there was a crisis, it was my easiest briefing because I knew all the questions are going to be on one topic. If it's a slow news day, I could get questions on Medicare, Social Security, the situation in the Balkans, relations with China, tariffs with Canada, the president's health. I mean, Everything, all across the board. So you've got to know all that stuff. Otherwise, you're constantly saying, let me get back to you. And I hate it to say, let me get back to you. So it requires a learning curve. It requires a runway. Here's my advice to the new press secretary. What she needs to do is, as soon as she's done with this first trip, stop traveling and start learning all the hot buttons around the world and in the American government. She needs to sit down twice a day for an hour a day, morning and afternoon, with the top experts at the White House and the National Security Council to go hotspot by hotspot around the economy, around the world, around everything important to the Trump White House. She needs to be in the meetings with the president when she's not doing that, and she should not yet be briefing. She needs to have a proper runway to get up to speed so she can take off and do well, and that requires intense study. It is nothing that being a articulate what she is cable news spokesperson prepares you for it is way more depth way more substance way more listening and learning and only then speaking. 00:14:39 Speaker 4: How much just give us a ballpark thing you mentioned you have to learn so much how many hours of work and memorization and prep would you say there was for every half hour press briefing that you'd be doing. 00:14:52 Speaker 5: Well, for me, remember, I went to work for George W. Bush and moved to Texas and worked on the campaign. So I was with Bush for one year on the campaign. So I knew every position the man took. I knew the nuances, the ins and the outs, and I knew him. And then during the transition, I had a chance to do briefings with the transition White House press corps. So that was practice. And then I stepped into the role as White House press secretary on January 20th. But I always felt I was on top of everything because I knew everything about what the president was doing and why he was doing it. 00:15:21 Speaker 6: And I knew every policy. It's very different. It's hard to come in. That's what I mean. 00:15:26 Speaker 5: It's hard to come in from the outside and master everything. Just look at the question she got asked yesterday about, is the United States stopped sharing information intelligence with Ukraine? How would she know that? You've got to be inside the meetings to know little things like that. So much happens in the government, in the White House. So it's not a question of memorization. It's really a question of osmosis. You've got to be in the meetings with the president, hearing what he hears and all the policy briefings that he hears. And then you've got to go around to the staff to learn the nuances and the depths of things. I'll give you an example. When I became press secretary, my whole background was domestic issues. And most of the things the United States was involved in in 99 and 2000 were domestic. The Cold War was over. The Soviet Union was gone. It was a much different era. But I didn't know anything about foreign policy. So I spent the first two months of my time there getting briefings from the National Security Council staff, hotspot by hotspot around the world. They told me when it came to China, I could say the government on Taiwan. But if I said the government of Taiwan, it would start an international incident with China. It's that little type of nuance that you've got to get right when you're the press secretary. And you only do that by taking your time, learning before you speak. So get off the road from the president. It's glamorous to do that trip, and I'm glad she has that experience now. But then get back to the White House, buckle down, and start the briefing process, start the listening process. And until that's done, don't brief. Mike McCurry, when he became the State Department spokesman, he didn't brief for months until he was ready to learn foreign policy at the State Department prior to him becoming White House press secretary. Now, I didn't take any foreign policy questions for the first couple of months when I was press secretary. I had my deputy who was in charge of the National Security Council press take those questions. 00:17:28 Speaker 6: Because I wasn't ready and I wasn't going to make an error. 00:17:31 Speaker 5: Only after I got comfortable and ready a couple of months into it did I take foreign policy questions. 00:17:36 Speaker 2: Interesting. So, Ari, I have like a kind of a protocol question for you. So she did three questions, right? So she started with Breitbart. Then she went to Fox. Then she went to the Daily Mail. Do you think that that was a scripted one, two, three? Or is that not really appropriate in that setting to sort of, you know, I guess script out your first couple of questions? Because obviously we know that she came loaded with news on Kimberly Guilfoyle's, you know, that they were asking for the resignation. As a matter of fact, I'll play that clip just to make sure we have it. 00:18:11 Speaker 7: We have asked Ambassador Guilfoyle to resign. 00:18:15 Speaker 8: She has been a wonderful asset to the team and we. 00:18:18 Speaker 9: Wish her well. 00:18:19 Speaker 6: Right. 00:18:19 Speaker 2: So that felt like they knew they were going to get there and it was going to break news that wasn't about Katie Zachariah. Is that something that you would script out and kind of plan out? 00:18:29 Speaker 5: Yeah, actually by the reporter's reaction, I don't think that was scripted because the report was kind of shocked to hear the answer. Um, maybe, maybe they set the reporter up and said, you ought to ask this question. 00:18:41 Speaker 6: You might make a little news. I don't, I don't know. 00:18:44 Speaker 5: Um, Sometimes White Houses will do that with reporters. But, you know, it was a home game for her, her first game, so somewhat smart to take questions from conservative media first. There's a little protection built into that, but that can't last. You've got to spread the questions around to everybody in that room. That room belongs to everybody. It belongs to the American people. I've long argued it has a shortage of conservatives. We need more conservatives in that room, but you can't ignore conservatives mainstream media that's in that room. They get a question, too. It's just the burden and the job of being press secretary. 00:19:19 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's interesting, too. You know, a lot of the feedback, there's two interesting things. I'm curious if you're surprised by either of them. You know, all I've heard since is, wow, I've gotten calls, Ari, from liberal press. After the press briefing, I had calls. If I wanted to comment on it, I deferred. But everybody was like, well, it's so tough because Caroline Leavitt was so good at this job. People don't realize how good she was behind the scenes. And I'd love your insight on how much of the work is actually working with people behind the scenes. But then they started getting into her law degree. And if she'd ever, you know, you know, I guess passed the bar in any state. Were you surprised by any of that? And in this behind the scenes thing, one minute. 00:20:00 Speaker 5: Yeah, the behind the scenes things. Number one, you get your information from the president. First and foremost, you must be in the meetings, but you can't be in every meeting all day long. So two, you get your news from the staff, and there you have to have relationships. Caroline Leavitt worked on the campaign. She had a relationship with everybody prior to the president's inauguration, just as I did being on the Bush campaign. You come in, you know everybody. You've worked with them for a year. And that's huge because there are many times you're going to have to go to staff, and you have to know which staff is going to give you a full, accurate, in-context answer, not the answer they want you to give on TV because there might be something missing from that answer. Or there might be a feud between two staffers and one's giving you their point of view. 00:20:42 Speaker 6: So a good. 00:20:43 Speaker 5: Press secretary has got to surf through that. It's hard to do coming in from the outside. I'll tell them unless you know the players. 00:20:52 Speaker 2: Well, I thought it was interesting, Ari, that I got so many press people calling me because I was running press at Turning Point for a long time. So they were calling me and they were telling me precisely Caroline was very good behind the scenes with other press as well, helping them out. 00:21:07 Speaker 5: Norman was devastated. 00:21:09 Speaker 10: How about the two 30-year-old women who were murdered by an illegal. 00:21:13 Speaker 6: Migrant in my county? 00:21:15 Speaker 10: What do you say to their families? What do you say to all those people who have had their children hooked on drugs by illegal migrants bringing fentanyl, cocaine, and heroin into our communities? We have an epidemic of crime from these illegal migrants. 16,000 detainers are out there for people who committed 52,000 crimes in our state. And you won't let local law enforcement cooperate with ICE to pick them up and get out of this state. 00:21:45 Speaker 2: That was Bruce Blakeman. I'll tell you, Ari, I am in New York right now. I'm in Manhattan. I did this News Nation event last night with Cuomo and Stephen A. Smith. After the event, I had all these guys, and it was a very liberal setting, I will tell you. After the event, I had, I'm not kidding, six or seven people say, hey, I'm a Democrat, I'm voting Republican this cycle. It's this weird map where the blue states might go redder and the red states might go bluer. So we got to talk messaging. What is working out there? Is this message on illegal immigration working in blue states? Maybe something else is going to work in red states. What are you seeing? What are you honing in on and what should be the homestretch message? 00:22:30 Speaker 6: Yeah, I hate to say it. 00:22:31 Speaker 5: This is one of those cycles, Andrew, where the most important message is to define your opponent and make sure the American people, the people of your state, see them as a radical. And because of the rise of socialism in the Democratic Party and the whole progressive swing of the Democrat Party, what used to be a liberal that was unacceptable is now a progressive or a socialist. 00:22:50 Speaker 6: That's even more unacceptable. You've got to define them. 00:22:53 Speaker 5: Because it's a very tough, choppy sea for Republicans this cycle. If the race is about Republicans, if the race is about President Trump, other than the reddest of red states, it's going to be really tough. So you've got to be aggressive to find your opponent and make the race about your opponent. And there's a lot of meat to work with for the good candidates who can do that. 00:23:14 Speaker 2: I think that's a perfect answer, though. I would tell you, David Marcus over at Fox, I was messaging with him, and he said, he's not seeing the doom and gloom on the ground. He's been in Minnesota. He says that Tafoya race is completely winnable, partly because you've got this Flanagan character who's a total radical, right? I've just pulled up this image, protect trans kids. Alpha News, I don't know if you saw this this morning, they have an exclusive at Alpha News, which is the best, I think, conservative news outlet in Minnesota. They have a story of her grandfather was a potential, I guess, mass murderer, serial killer. He was in a mental hospital. You can't hold her accountable for the sins of her grandfather. But it's like she's a very radical person in and of herself. So Tafoya's making ground up in that race because of that. You've got another clip here that I want to play, Ari, out of Georgia. There was another debate last night. Mike Collins flipped the tables on John Ossoff when it come to this whole Epstein narrative. Go ahead and play Sot 8. 00:24:21 Speaker 8: John Ossoff? 00:24:22 Speaker 11: His number one donor, one of his largest donors, is Reid Hoffman. The same guy that sent the Epstein files. The same guy that sent ice cream, ice cream, to Jeffrey Epstein on his birthday and said, this is for the girls. John, the call's coming from inside the house. Epstein class that you're talking about, I'm looking at him right now. 00:24:48 Speaker 2: Yikes. Quite the moment. All right, Fleischer. That's a tough race. I mean, John Ossoff, you know, I've heard him described recently as the the the best political athlete on the left that they have right now. So that's going to be a tough race for Collins. But nevertheless, I love this. Who are you seeing do this well so that we can kind of think of a model? 00:25:09 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think the best example is Michigan. 00:25:11 Speaker 5: I think Mike Rogers in that first debate against Abdul Saeed really took it to Abdul. 00:25:17 Speaker 6: And made the case. 00:25:18 Speaker 5: You know, and then you had Abdul go on Meet the Press and say none of his relatives have ever been members of the Muslim Brotherhood. 00:25:25 Speaker 6: And then it comes out his. 00:25:26 Speaker 5: Own sister tweeted earlier that their mother was a member of the Muslim Brotherhood. Now, wouldn't it be nice to have a United States senator who doesn't have a little Muslim Brotherhood on the side? I mean, Mike Rogers is pressing that case against Abdul. Abdul also says he's a doctor. He's an unlicensed doctor. He acts as if he would be somebody who could write you a prescription. It'd be a crime if he wrote your prescription. Mike Rogers has pressed that case, undermining Abdul's narrative and authority in a race that otherwise Abdul wants to run just on the basis of President Trump. So that's a perfect example. And I'm working on that race, I should disclose. But that's a perfect example of someone making the opponent the issue rather than where the Democrats want to make the case, which is to make President Trump the issue in a midterm election. 00:26:17 Speaker 6: That's the trick. 00:26:18 Speaker 5: That's the formula for victory in what is going to be a tough year for Republicans. But it doesn't have to be a terrible year for Republicans. Just as 2022 in Biden's first midterm was supposed to be a terrible year for Democrats, and it only turned out to be a difficult year. It wasn't that terrible. Republicans took the House, but took it by very small margins. Republicans have a real chance here to cut down the Democratic wave, cut down the margins, because the Democrats have served up candidates who are just so out of tune with the mainstream of America. 00:26:50 Speaker 4: Yeah, Ari, and it just, it stands out to me. We're looking at New York, we're looking at Minnesota. An advantage we have that's really developing, it just seems like You can be mad at Trump in the abstract, but if you're in these blue states that aren't 100 percent totally captured yet, like the failure of blue governance is just so stark and extreme. Everyone's moving out of blue states and they're moving. two red states blue states only sustain themselves with international immigration and it's just we haven't had that pattern in this level of starkness before in history that i know of it's just if you're in minnesota you know your state is in decline and you know it's not donald trump's fault you know it's because of the democrats who've been running it and Maybe that'll get us some wins that you wouldn't expect. 00:27:38 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think Minnesota is one to keep your eye on election night. I think New Hampshire is another one to keep your eye on for a Senate race on election night. That's a purple state that's gone blue in the Senate for quite a long time, has a potential now to have a Republican senator. Michigan, of course, hasn't had a Republican senator since 1996. That's a state to keep your eye on. But the bigger picture here, you asked me about 2026, but I want to broaden the lens here for a second. You pointed out how people are moving out of all these blue states, whether it's California or Illinois or New York or New Jersey, and. 00:28:12 Speaker 6: They're moving to the red states. 00:28:14 Speaker 5: The 2032 presidential election is going to be an election held in which some 10 to 15 electoral votes have shifted out of the Democratic category to the Republican category because of that external migration you just referred to. 00:28:28 Speaker 6: The Democrats have their last best shot. 00:28:30 Speaker 5: Coming up in 2028 before the tidal wave of migrations basically creates a whole new battleground state that the Republicans have already won before the election started because of population shifts. That's why the 26th election, 28th election, setting up the census are huge and is important for Republicans to turn out. And then the tide really turns in a Republican favor. No one knows who the candidates will be, but America has shifted big time. 00:28:58 Speaker 6: And I like to look longer, have a longer horizon look. Yes, we should look at the media election. But the horizon is really bright for Republicans. Amen. 00:29:07 Speaker 2: All right, Fleischer, Fleischer Communications, former White House press secretary, so good to have you, my friend. We'll see you soon. Before he ever stepped onto a debate stage or behind a microphone, Charlie understood something really important, that if you want to lead, you first have to learn. Charlie believed that ideas shape character, conviction, and courage. That's why he spent years studying the classics, the American founding, and the Bible through Hillsdale College's free online courses. He would rave about these courses all the time. These free online courses are taught by Hillsdale College. professors and draw from the same great books and enduring ideas studied on Hillsdale's campus. 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Host of Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec. Jack, tell us about this new edition of Unhumans. Why now? Why in the lead up to the midterms? And what are the key takeaways? 00:31:48 Speaker 3: Yeah, guys. 00:31:49 Speaker 12: Well, it's great to be here, of course, on Charlie's birthday. And the fact that it is Charlie's birthday without Charlie shows us what the stakes are and shows us how serious this has gotten in our country, where we now live in a time where the same forces that would have led to the entire country at least banding together and saying that we're against political violence and taking actual serious stands to make strides against that, we haven't done so. We live in a country now where millions of people celebrated charlie's murder we live in a country where millions of people call for president trump to be killed every single day we live in a country where people thousands at least of people celebrated lindsey clancy and said that she was uh some. 00:32:32 Speaker 3: Some positive uh you know or. 00:32:34 Speaker 12: A victim i should say she was a victim and she was like a hero and they raised tons of money for her on gofundme and so we live in a time where unfortunately the unhuman activity has gotten so much worse and we made For the cover here, we've, of course, put the Statue of Liberty has now been transformed to the Statue of Tyranny. And we're doing so to explain that New York City has fallen to this kind of communism. 00:33:00 Speaker 3: Washington, D.C. 00:33:01 Speaker 12: Will be next when Janelle George becomes the mayoress of D.C. here in, I think, January. They got the D.A., Larry Krasner, Soros D.A., up in Philadelphia, who's letting violent criminals out, who are now setting up ambushes for white police officers and said that he would only kill them if they were white. And so unfortunately, the situation has gotten far, far worse than it was two years ago. And unfortunately, there's still so much that we need to do to fight back. So that's why we're putting out this new updated edition. We're honored to have the president come out and endorse it. It's Unhumans Socialist Revolution. And really, you know, what happened to Charlie, I think, forms a sort of moral backbone for for the book in the sense that people now understand what the stakes actually are. Because when we wrote Unhumans 1, keep in mind that was 10 days. So that came out on July 4th of 2024. That was 10 days before the Butler, Pennsylvania attempted assassination of President Trump. That was months before the September, I think August. 00:34:04 Speaker 3: Excuse me, the August. No, it was September. 00:34:07 Speaker 12: September attack at Trump International, West Palm Beach, before the December shooting of Luigi Maggioni. going after the UnitedHealthcare CEO, and then, of course, about a year before the murder of. 00:34:18 Speaker 3: Our dear friend. 00:34:19 Speaker 12: And so people need to understand that the stakes are very, very high. And when you've got socialist candidates running around playing footsie with this extreme form of violence, people. 00:34:30 Speaker 3: Have to know that it gets really, real, really fast. 00:34:33 Speaker 12: We had this, I don't know if you guys played the clip yet, but there's that candidate running for county commissioner or something out in Indiana where she just comes out and says, I'm going to fire the Republicans immediately. 00:34:42 Speaker 3: And if they get in my way, we're going to use the guns. She just says it. 00:34:47 Speaker 2: Yeah. We have guns, too, I think is what she said. 00:34:50 Speaker 3: We haven't played the clip yet. 00:34:51 Speaker 2: We can load it up if the team can grab it. But it's a shocking clip. I mean, that's what they really think. Last night, Jack, I've mentioned it a couple of times, but I was on this News Nation panel with the DSA co-chair of New York City, Grace. I forget her last name. But anyways, so she basically says the American dream is dead. And then this congresswoman next to me, Democrat congresswoman, actually, I think from your home area in Pennsylvania, is asking, what are you going to do with this DSA insurgency? And she said, well, we're getting welcome. We were a big tent and all this stuff. And she then lectures about the Constitution. I say, excuse me, ma'am. With all due respect, you're lecturing us about the Constitution and President Trump and all this stuff. You are cozying up to a DSA insurgency. Yeah, a lot of her members mocked Charlie's death, embraced political violence. I'm not saying Grace did specifically. But they also want to abolish the presidency. They want to abolish the Senate. They want to abolish prisons, abolish ICE. They want to destroy the very document that I was being lectured about in reference to Donald Trump. So this is a movement. They are welcoming in this Trojan horse of insurrection, of insurgency, of anti-American, pro-communist bias. And they're doing it openly. The whole Democrat Party is now captured by this unhuman element. Jack, explain what you mean by unhuman. Why is the title that? And then relate it back to what we were just talking about, this DSA insurgency and the capturing of the whole Democrat Party. 00:36:23 Speaker 3: Of course. 00:36:24 Speaker 12: And the reason that I gave the book that title, I guess maybe like a series now because we've got book. 00:36:28 Speaker 3: Two, book 2.0, that This is a tactic that they use. 00:36:33 Speaker 12: For their political opponents. They don't look at us as humans who have rights. They don't look at their political opponents as individuals who have rights that need to be defended at all. 00:36:43 Speaker 3: They look at them as pests. 00:36:46 Speaker 12: They look at you and your family and your values as if you're some backwards, toothless hick who doesn't deserve any rights at all. And in some cases, if you're in the way too much, doesn't deserve your right to life at all. Or if you're in the case of Charlie Kirk, you don't deserve the right to freedom of speech. You can't we can't defeat him. So we're going to take it away through other means. And this is what they do to their political opponents anywhere around the world. And by the way, I can point this out because just a simple example in that I can point to in modern times where a couple of years ago and Blake, you'll remember this, that when big tech was in so much power under the Biden years, that you could be banned on the internet for almost saying anything. You've denied the 2020 election, you could be banned. If you misgendered someone, you could be banned or locked online. But Democrats and the left were never banned for their favorite word for Trump supporters. And their favorite word for Trump supporters was calling us maggots. They called us maggots every single day. And you would see people with like millions upon millions of followers saying this. 00:37:49 Speaker 3: They still do it. 00:37:50 Speaker 12: And look, I'm not someone who believes in censorship, but I do point this out that, That is their favorite phrase, and they never faced repercussions for it from any single one. 00:38:01 Speaker 3: Of the tech platforms. 00:38:02 Speaker 12: And so what we put out in terms of our thesis is that's exactly how they view conservatives, Christians, right-wingers, white Christian heterosexual males in society today, and really just anyone who has the ability to go out and build things without partaking in grievance culture. 00:38:21 Speaker 2: Well, I think it's funny. I was just Danny was just messaging on this point, and he made a great point. No one has mentioned the disinformation governance board that the left tried to create under Biden. Nobody even talks about it. It's like we forgot about it. This was what they did during Biden. Imagine giving them power again. It's been completely forgotten. We don't talk about it. 00:38:43 Speaker 12: Well, and the reason that they weren't able to get it done was because there was a guy named Jack Posobiec in a show called Human Events that completely exposed Nina Jankowicz and her insane musical stylings. 00:38:55 Speaker 3: I said maybe she should go back to her. 00:38:57 Speaker 12: She called herself the Moaning Myrtles, and she had this Harry Potter-esque– Blake, you remember. We've talked about her on Thought Crime. This, like, Harry Potter tribute band kind of thing. 00:39:08 Speaker 2: And Mary Poppins, too, right? 00:39:11 Speaker 3: She didn't. 00:39:11 Speaker 6: Yeah. 00:39:11 Speaker 2: Well, no, that. 00:39:12 Speaker 12: Wasn't part of the ban. That was like her later thing that she was doing for disinformation. And she had always been sort of a perennial kind of foe of myself and others online. And the minute that I saw that she was getting anywhere near I keep in mind, though, how serious this was. And thank you, Danny, for bringing that up, because the minute I saw her getting close to me. government, remember, they wanted to put her in DHS. The Disinformation Governments Board was going to be part of Homeland Security, which has a law enforcement capability. DHS has law enforcement. 00:39:43 Speaker 3: They have HSI, they have ICE, etc. 00:39:46 Speaker 12: And so the idea that that would be the governing body for information in the United States should be chilling to everyone. And so, yes, we unfortunately were able to expose that. Jim Jordan and others were able to take my reporting, early reporting on that, and we were able to stop it. 00:40:03 Speaker 3: In its tracks. But again, they're going to try again. There's no question. 00:40:07 Speaker 2: No, it's going to be worse. It's going to be on steroids. Everybody pick up a copy of Unhuman's. 2.0 this is 14 new chapters jack posobic i know you only have a very limited time so thanks for making the time for us today you had that hard out uh we appreciate it pick up a copy on humans today support jack support his work we have tyler boyer who is you know we give him a lot of credit on this show but candidly he doesn't get enough credit um He is truly one of the architects of the grassroots revolution on the right. We took the best play plays from the playbook out of the left, put them together in a conservative model to chase ballots, chase votes in states like Arizona, Nevada, New Hampshire. A lot of people, Citizens Alliance is taking that and running with it in states like Pennsylvania. And I believe we have Tyler. I'm not in the studio. We got him. 00:41:04 Speaker 4: We got him. He's right here. 00:41:06 Speaker 2: We got you. 00:41:07 Speaker 5: All right. 00:41:08 Speaker 2: So, Tyler, you've been breaking down some of the early returns from Arizona and wanted to give our audience an update on it. How are we looking? Is it doom and gloom time? What is the message? What is the takeaway? 00:41:20 Speaker 8: Yeah, look, so really it's the first real drops that we've seen. So ballots just came out last week. Actually, there were some warnings that were put into place from the recorder here in Maricopa County, who's a good guy, Justin Heap, who said USPS– is going to be behind. And USPS came out and said, no, we're good. And as of yesterday, our hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of ballot chasers were out and people still hadn't received ballots in Maricopa County. Go figure. But the first drop really came today. Republicans are holding pace with the Democrats on initial drops. This is kind of bad historically for Democrats. Democrats usually do really, really well And the first handful of ballot drops with the earlier vote. Republicans are seemingly showing up both in person and then also by mail. So keep in mind, too, Republicans show up generally in larger percentages for the in-person voting as it continues to progress throughout the election cycle. This is early in person, Tyler? Yeah, there's two different types of votes that are being cast right now by mail and then early in person. The early in person data hasn't actually been totally released, particularly in Maricopa County. I actually was on the phone with some elections officials yesterday about that to hopefully see how those numbers propel Republican numbers. But where we're at today in Arizona is... We're single digits behind the Democrats on returns, which is a good initial spot to be in. But, you know, have some significant catch up to do because we want to get out ahead of the Democrats in the early votes as much as humanly possible. 00:43:14 Speaker 2: So, Blake, I know you've been thinking about this as well, but one of the questions that is outstanding is that did Republicans change their voting habits in 2024? Meaning, We're seeing early vote returns that are promising in a lot of states, right? You see on, on X formerly known as Twitter, people are saying, Hey, the blue NAMI is not materializing. We're actually doing pretty well in some of these early drops. The question is though, are we cannibalizing some of that day of, and is there any way to know at this point? Have we just, yeah, go ahead. 00:43:47 Speaker 8: Not to cut off Blake on this, but there are some ways to know. And that is by looking at the low propensity turnout. So, The one thing I can speak to, I can't speak to all the states, but what I can speak to is where we are, is we're seeing 20%, 30% numbers of those initial Republican ballots that are being cast as low-propensity Republicans. 00:44:07 Speaker 4: Which is people who just, in general, are hard to turn out? Yeah, so this is a good sign. Is that our turnout effort, basically? 00:44:12 Speaker 8: So this is a good sign. So, I mean, I could speak to, again, New Hampshire, again, has a very tiny absentee early vote population. But 30% of those are low propensity Republicans. That's a huge number. That's a gigantic number. And those are the people that we're chasing in New Hampshire. In Arizona today, as we stand today, just about 20%, just shy of 20% of all of the first votes that have been cast, the early votes that have been cast by Republicans are low propensity Republicans. So again, historically, Republicans actually had done far worse with low propensity Republicans. We focused on that heavily. here at turning point action. Um, we want to keep that number as high as possible because again, if you turn out in a midterm 5%, 6% more Republican based that are low propensity, you win elections, you win elections, right? So right now where we stand today in Arizona, New Hampshire, a few others at Nevada, we're looking at, at huge percentages of these first votes being low propensity Republicans. That's a great first sign that. 00:45:21 Speaker 2: That is. 00:45:21 Speaker 4: That's amazing. Of course, I guess the other question is, are we sure these people are voting the way we're hoping them to? Because there are obviously some disaffected Republicans out there. And so you can't always rely on the party dynamic. 00:45:37 Speaker 8: Yeah, but the one thing I would point out, Blake, is that typically low propensity voters that are disaffected are not the first ones to vote. Does that make sense? So typically, I mean, you may have a percentage of those people that are disaffected, but the people who are less least likely to vote are not the ones that are like bounding for the, for the box. Now, of course there could be people that are just generally totally ticked off. But again, the people that we're looking at, particularly the people that we're chasing in Arizona, New Hampshire, Nevada, again, win, lose, or draw. We're trying to turn out more of those low propensity voters. We're talking to them. We're building relationships with them, engaging with them. Most people that are low propensity are not, are not anti-people. They're not anti-Trump. They're typically people that intend to vote, think they voted, but for whatever reason just haven't. 00:46:30 Speaker 2: Hey, Tyler, explain this dynamic for our audience, right? Because you'll hear from the left, Trump's very unpopular. What is he doing going to all these rallies? But base turnout elections, which is what a midterm election is, why is that fundamentally still the right play? Trump still has a connection unlike any other with grassroots conservatives. And in a base turnout election, it's all about getting your base out. It's all about getting your base out. You could lose the middle, the normies that maybe don't show up. But if you turn your base out, we can still defy a lot of odds and beat back some of these headwinds in the midterms. Explain that for the audience. 00:47:06 Speaker 8: Yeah, the higher the percentage turnout in an election, the more the vote matters that you can influence, right? Because there's... There's very little wiggle room in order to win an election. So in a presidential, that's more of an influence election. You're trying to convince people that you're the right guy. In a midterm election, there's far fewer people that vote. So because of that, you can make up ground a lot faster if you get your base out more, your base is more excited. So here in Arizona, we have today the president actually visiting And Mojave County, which is a more rural county that's just right outside of Las Vegas in the northwestern. 00:47:49 Speaker 2: Part of the state. 00:47:50 Speaker 8: But that actually is a place that has the most pro-Trump voter in Arizona, period. And number two, the highest contingency of people who just don't show up to vote. So the smart play and the smart tactic is have Trump, the president, go to those places. And that's exactly what's happening. And it's freaking out the left a little bit because... The more you can turn out your base, the better. 00:48:14 Speaker 2: You see these numbers. 00:48:15 Speaker 4: Trump got 500,000 more votes than Carrie Lake. You get 500. You get 100,000 of those votes. Win this race easy. 00:48:22 Speaker 8: You win this race. You're competitive. 100%. 00:48:26 Speaker 2: Everybody, check out Commit 100. Go to tpaction.com slash 100. Tyler and the team are going to take care of you. They'll put you up in a hotel. And you get to chase 100 ballots of those low props we've just been talking about. Tyler Boyer, we're going to keep checking in with you a lot as the weeks go on here towards November. An important message from Noble Gold Investments. November 3rd, control of Congress is on the line. And whatever happens, your savings are going to feel it. If Democrats take power, we could be looking at years of gridlock, followed by the same policies that fueled inflation before. More spending, bigger deficits, and a weaker dollar. We've lived through this already. In June... 2022 inflation was out of control and unchecked. Now the national debt is over $ 40 trillion and Washington isn't slowing down. What has gold done since 2022? Doubled up over 100%. That's right. 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I wish that was a headline that was not of this world, but it is The Zizians, Inside a Trans Death Cult. The book is out now. Andy, welcome back to the show. We had you on, I guess, a little while ago, and you couldn't tell me so much, so I... It worked. I had to have you back on to find out more about this group that you infiltrated and found out so much about. Tell us about the Zizians. 00:50:43 Speaker 9: Thanks for having me on. 00:50:44 Speaker 7: You know, I've covered a lot of very ugly, violent incidents in my reporting on Antifa in the last decade. And unfortunately, I've been a victim of violence in the course of that reporting. However, I was quite unprepared for the disturbing things I found in my investigation to the Zizians. So you and your audience are aware of my reporting on Antifa and seven years ago, six, seven years ago, I started noticing at that time that disproportionately in the number of people who were being arrested at these riots in Portland, where I used to live in other cities, are trans-identifying in some way. So at that point, there was a question mark in the back of my mind. On some nights, there would be up to 15 to 20% of suspects who were trans, and that's up to 40 times higher than the upper-end estimates of the trans population in the United States. And then when I was beaten severely in 2019, and again in 2021, nearly killed, I eventually found out the identities of people who I alleged were part of the perpetrators, and I see them civilly, and half of them are trans-identifying. And speaking to a wider issue in the last five years, I'm sure many of you have noticed that there have been a number of atrocities and mass shootings and acts of mass violence. 00:52:11 Speaker 9: By individuals who are trans-identifying. 00:52:14 Speaker 7: So that's the context of the beginnings of what eventually led my research into this 100,000 word. 00:52:24 Speaker 9: Book. 00:52:25 Speaker 7: A year and a half ago, on Inauguration Day in Vermont, near the Canadian border, a U.S. 00:52:32 Speaker 9: Border Patrol agent was shot dead. 00:52:34 Speaker 7: And because of all the activities that were happening in D.C. with the return of President Trump to office, this got very little attention. So when the names of the two alleged suspects were released in that ambush shooting attack I looked further because unfortunately you cannot rely on media to be accurate when it comes to names, sex of suspects nowadays. We've seen law enforcement agencies, for example, release the trans name of the suspect or refer to. 00:53:08 Speaker 9: A male killer as a woman and she and her. 00:53:12 Speaker 7: So when I started digging further, I found out that the two of them both identify as trans and that's unusual. And I digged a little bit further and I found out, oh, one of them had applied to be married to this person in California who was just arrested for a murder. And that person also identifies as all genders. And I kept digging and digging and I found out, wait, there appears to be a cult-like group who's linked to killings all over the U.S. that happened over a number of years and they were just treated as local homicide cases rather than part of a larger story. So I flew to America from London. I've been in exile for a number of years because of the violence against me by Antifa. And I traveled to locations where the Zizians had lived. 00:54:00 Speaker 9: And what I found and uncovered was. 00:54:03 Speaker 7: That the bigger story here is not just a story of murders and suicides and human experimentation and trans-radicalism and AI-doomerism. In many ways, the institutions in California and in other jurisdictions completely failed to hold the Zizings accountable. They were able to fake their deaths and move from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. There were warrants in California that weren't picked up in another place. And they were able, through a number of years, to carry out their activities. And in the end, eight people are dead. Some of them were killed in extremely violent and brutal ways that I won't be able to share on your show, but I do detail in this book. This book is the uncensored truth, the true story of the Zizans. Investigating it really nearly broke me because the depth of the depravity of what I uncovered was, it really shook me and has challenged me. However, I really feel that I have an obligation to try to pursue justice for the families who, to this day, by the way, there has still not been a single conviction. 00:55:14 Speaker 4: So, Andy, it's obviously very ghoulish and weird that they have so many trans people in this group and the press won't report on them accurately as a result. But from your study, do you think this isn't just a coincidence, like they happen to know each other? Do you think there's something... particular to what you might call the online trans ideology that makes people more vulnerable to getting sucked into a group like this and more vulnerable, frankly, to embracing radical violence as a solution to problems as they consider them? Because we've also seen transgender mass shooters. Obviously, Tyler Robinson seems to have been in a relationship with someone who was linked to trans stuff. That might have affected it. Do you think that the trans ideology clearly is sort of an essential part of this story. 00:56:06 Speaker 7: So my book is not just a true crime investigation into the Zizians. It also examines how they fit into a broader pattern of growing trans violence. Now, I detail all the cases that have happened in the last few years involving trans killers. And even for many people on the right, they are not aware of many of these incidents. It just doesn't really get the media coverage. And sometimes it's difficult to even find out that these individuals are trans because it's hidden by the. 00:56:36 Speaker 9: Courts, it's hidden by law enforcement, and it's not reported on. 00:56:41 Speaker 7: So even though the Zizings represent an extreme, infringed example of extremist ideology manifesting into deadly violence, there is this broader pattern that unfortunately all of us here are aware of. 00:56:59 Speaker 9: And it hits personally. 00:57:01 Speaker 7: I dig into some of the research literature on transgenderism and cross-sex hormones and various mental health comorbidities. And even though there's not a lot of research that's been performed, the limited ones that have been done and have been peer reviewed do show that amongst those who are on cross-sex hormone therapy, both male and biological female, by the way, report higher rates of of aggression. There's a lot of academic literature documenting the higher rates as well of various mental health issues, higher rates of autism. I think when you factor in all of these variables, in addition, crucially, and this is what the Zizians, what was emblematic of their ideology, the grievance ideology, the wound collecting, how every type of interaction with family members, with friends, with society, with the state, is recast into instances of abuse, systemic abuse, to the point now where they say we are victims of a trans genocide. And some of the Zizian members said this in their own writings, encouraged one another to take up firearms. I'm speaking to you, by the way, just as last week a man in Seattle who identifies as trans was federally charged as being an alleged co-conspirator to the Tumblr Ridge trans mass shooting that happened in British Columbia back in February, in which a man who identifies as trans carried out the slaughter of women and children, eight of them, in a small community in BC. And you know how the Canadian authorities reported. 00:58:46 Speaker 9: That at the time? 00:58:47 Speaker 7: The official ones, law enforcement, they described the killer as a female in a dress with brown hair. That was the description And with some of the criminal complaints that have come out from American federal authorities in that case involving the alleged American suspect who helped, we see the weapons that were used in the killings. And with the various guns, the transmissions, pride symbols were decorated on the weapons. So these people were literally slaughtered by the barrel of trans pride. And Canadians don't know this, and very few Americans know this. 00:59:20 Speaker 2: Man, I have so many questions about what the Zizians believe and what they think. Andy Ngo joins us. His new book, inside a trans death cult, which is, like I said, the title is incredible. It's real, though, and we need to get serious about this. And, you know, I didn't plan this out, Andy, that you'd be on on Charlie's, what would have been his 33rd birthday, but it feels important. We're joined by Andy Ngo, investigative journalist who knows the Antifa, I guess. 01:00:01 Speaker 2: But now the Trans-Tifo Death Cult extremely well. He has personal experience with it. It's an important story because this is an underground but increasingly violent doomer group, and this is what's interesting. You describe this Trans-Death Cult like a Manson family-like Trans-Death Cult led by a guy named Jack Lasoda. Who is Jack Lasoda, and what do they believe? Do they consider themselves... part of some community, like an actual cult, Andy? 01:00:34 Speaker 7: They, of course, wouldn't use the word cult to describe themselves, but all the things that they did and the writings they left behind indicate that they were and they are. There are lots of parallels that can be drawn between Jack Visota, the Zizine's leader, and Charles Manson. Both of them, for separate reasons, moved to the Bay Area and got their start in California and joined various groups subculture movements there. Jack Lasota is originally from Fairbanks, Alaska, and like the other would be Zizine members, comes from very good academic pedigree background. He was accepted into the very competitive engineering program at University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign, and that's where he was studying solar expulsions from the sun and even had some of his research published. And he interned at NASA and Some of the other associations that the Zizian members that he would later meet had included working for Google, going to University of Oxford, UC Berkeley, nearly perfect SAT scores before they went to very good universities, working in quantum trading, making half a million dollars a year to bankroll their activities. So when Ziz moved to the Bay Area nearly a decade ago, it was to join the communities that were debating rationalism, and effective altruism. We're hearing a lot about effective altruism, also known as EA now, because a number of former engineers who worked at Anthropic and OpenAI are talking about the risk that AI poses to humanity. 01:02:15 Speaker 6: And the world. 01:02:16 Speaker 9: But many years ago, a number of. 01:02:18 Speaker 7: Young people moved to the barrier to join the various groups there to have these types of debates. They really do believe in an apocalyptic vision of what a super intelligent AI can do. Ziz, as he eventually became the known, thought that there wasn't enough being done by the mainstream institutions. 01:02:38 Speaker 9: So he formed his own ideology. I saw during the. 01:02:41 Speaker 7: Breaks that we were watching a clip of Charlie Kirk talking with Bill Maher about atheism, Christianity. Well, the Zizians were atheistic, and they rejected concepts and values from Christianity involving the. 01:02:55 Speaker 9: Value of human life. 01:02:57 Speaker 7: So as staunch vegans, he believed, for example, that anybody who consumes meat was evil and worthy of death. So part of the recruitment process for the cult was that, first, the potential recruit had to be vegan, and second, if that individual happened to be transgender, that was a plus. They believed that transgender women were especially gifted with special cognitive abilities, and that together they could form this group that would become a trans-vanguard of those who would save the world. But those worthy of being saved aren't humans. In their eyes, it was animals, it was shrimps, it was insects. They view those lives as equal to human life, which, if the accusations against them are true, may explain why they had no hesitation to murder people in really brutal, violent. 01:03:54 Speaker 9: Depraved ways. 01:03:55 Speaker 4: Andy, I want to highlight on that. You're saying they consider shrimp lives equal. And you guys, look this up if you don't believe us. That's a group in the rationalist communities. They talk about maximizing welfare. So some of them will say, rather than give money to a charitable cause for humans you believe in, they would say... like build a shrimp farm to raise large numbers of shrimp because you are creating more conscious experience of the universe. This is a subculture that's out there. And so, Andy, as we approach the end here, do we need to worry about the fact that these people grew out of this rationalist community and a lot of people in the same community are at the commanding heights of the global economy right now? Do you think we need to worry about that at all? Do we need to educate ourselves on that? 01:04:45 Speaker 7: It's important to caveat that not all rationalists or effective altruists are extreme or radical. There is a segment within them, though, that are because a lot of the people in those communities are, one, highly intelligent, two, on the spectrum, three, have money, and four, a lot of time to think about various ideas. And there's no limits to what questions are debated and what paths of thinking are allowed to go down. And so there is a small faction within that that has led to some radicals, the Zizians being the most prominent example. And I think for those who may be confused, the Zizians and many EA and rationalist people, they think of life as sort of algorithms and even themselves. They come up with very complicated mathematical models for quote-unquote maximizing good. And so for the Zizians, you can think of it in one way. What is it to kill one person or two people or ten people or a hundred or a thousand, if it means saving millions of lives or prawn or insect or animals that are in the wild? This was the value system that the Zizians had, and it kind of shows you sort of the amorality, the literal amorality that rises when traditional religious worldviews are removed from. 01:06:18 Speaker 2: It's such a good point. Andy, the point you're making, I think a lot of us have been scratching our heads when you look at the Annunciation Catholic Church school shooting, right? The Tumbler Ridge secondary school shooting in British Columbia that you mentioned before. The Pawtucket hockey arena shooting. It was just trans shooting after trans shooting after trans shooting, and all of us start going collectively, what the hell is going on? And why is there this murderous element to it It also makes me think of the recent AI Doomer story where everybody had to go meet at the White House. These stories are not disconnected. They're interrelated because some of these same ideologies coming out of the Bay Area, which, shocker, are flowing through both of these movements. Final 30 seconds here, Andy. Maybe just sum that up and codify those connections and tell us where we can get your book. 01:07:12 Speaker 7: As part of my research, I went to Nashville where I visited the Covenant School and Presbyterian Church where Audrey Hale, trans shooter, murdered children and school administrators several years ago. Audrey Hale left behind a manifesto slash journal and also the Annunciation Minneapolis church shooter did as well. And a common theme in that, as well as the writings of the Zizians, is they could not except the biological reality of what they are. And so I think when lies are indulged and encouraged and legitimized by wider society, amongst some individuals, you will see atrocities, as we have seen. My book is available now for order wherever books are sold. 01:07:59 Speaker 2: Thank you. Zizians by Andy Ngo. Pick it up when you can. Great, great book, Andy. Good job. 01:08:08 Speaker 4: For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk.com.