Ground War, Marriage, Music, and More ft. Megan Basham, Mollie Hemingway, and Sean Davis

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Today is the first game for the lub which is and I think they technically call this opening day. 00:01:27 Speaker 3: Yeah, technically today is. But they did a Yankees Giants game last night on Netflix. So yeah, Charlie was a huge Cubs fan. So go Cubbies, and go. 00:01:38 Speaker 4: Probably be better than the Twins. 00:01:39 Speaker 3: Go Dodgers's I can't remember. I keep forgetting that you're twins. 00:01:44 Speaker 4: Everyone forgets about the Twins because they're a very forgettable team, especially now. 00:01:48 Speaker 3: Kirby Puckett was amazing, Yes he was. 00:01:50 Speaker 4: Yahillmer was great, and they'll probably never be great again because they have those owners who kind of they treat their baseball teams the way the Democrat Party treats America. This like husk to extra act value from and then abandoned you. 00:02:03 Speaker 3: I've never seen him give me crazy eyes like that. That was that hit. You had a deep childhood trauma. 00:02:09 Speaker 4: It's very sad. It's very sad. I'm stuck with this team. That's never gonna win, but the Cubs might win, will be pulling for Went. 00:02:16 Speaker 3: You know, everybody's mad at the Dodgers for getting Tucker, who was the I think the top sort of free agent on the market this offseason. Everybody's mad. 00:02:26 Speaker 4: We just don't want baseball to go the same way that soccer goes and all those other countries where there's two teams ever allowed to win the title. 00:02:33 Speaker 3: It's good. It's good for baseball to have a villain Blake. It's good makes everybody hate the Dodgers, which makes every game that they play way more interesting and fun. 00:02:43 Speaker 4: It's more fun to hate the Yankees, though. 00:02:46 Speaker 3: No, you can hate the Yankees and the Dodgers. That's fair, all right. So the big news today is the Pentagon is weighing a what they're calling a Final Blow option against Iran. 00:02:56 Speaker 4: Do you think it's gonna be called like Operation Final Blow. 00:03:00 Speaker 3: I hope not. They can give him some funny names, well, operation Epic Fury. I actually think that's an epic name. I think it's great. So here's the news from Axios. Among the options and so these are including ground operations and a massive bombing campaign. According to a report Thursday, from Axios. Among the options under consideration are seizing or blockading ki Iranian positions, including carg Island. We've heard a lot about carg Island, the country's main oil export hub, as well as the strategic islands of Abu mas Musa and Larak near the Strait of Hormuse, Axios reported, citing US officials and sources familiar with internal deliberation. Other scenarios include targeting Iranian oil shipments, are conducting large scale strikes on nuclear facilities, it added, and President Trump is reportedly not made up his mind. But what we know is that all of the chess pieces are in place to do something like this. And Blake, We've seen this before where President Trump sort of mobilizes in a region and you're thinking, oh, he's it's blessed her saber rattling, But lately he's tended to just kind of press the got. 00:04:08 Speaker 4: Yes, and I mean we were thinking about I guess it was initially just the air assets, but they have started they did start moving these a few weeks ago. And as you say, it could be two things. It could be show I'm very serious, so that they have the pressure to make a deal, but more so than a lot of people, and more so than himself in the past. He appears ready to push through with it. I think we would love to have all of your emails about what you support on this, because, yeah, we're of two minds on this. We're already in the conflict. We do want to we do want to win that conflict since it's begun. But I am thinking always of, you know, the discussions we'd have with Charlie and the way that Okay, if this isn't what wins it, it's now just another step towards. We have a bunch of troops now on the ground in the area, and then if it doesn't end the war, the pressure will be well, you could send more troops and escalate more, and then that will end it. 00:05:04 Speaker 3: So yeah, well CNN's even reporting on this, so let's get their coverage on it. By the way, you know, CNN was the was famously denying that there was any negotiations going on, and then they eventually had to backtrack and say, yes, there were negotiations of a deal going on. Iran has reportedly declined. So here we go, we're building up to twenty. 00:05:27 Speaker 5: Well, Audie, whatever, the president ultimately decides about a ground operation in Iran. All the pieces are now in the region to carry one out. And it's not just the thousand paratroopers. You have marines deployed to the region, and then all the forces, the air transport, et cetera that one would require to put troops on the ground, whether that be you've heard the discussion of KRG Island, which is so central to Iran's energy industry, or perhaps along the shores of the Strait of Horror moves to secure the Strait of Horror moves. We don't know, and ultimately it's up to the president. 00:06:04 Speaker 3: So all the pieces are on the board. Please send us your emails Freedom at Charliekirk dot com, Freedom at Charliekirk dot com. We want to hear what you think. I'm just going to be really honest. I hate it. I don't want to see ground troops in Iran. I would love for the people of Iran themselves to rise up. And it's you know, there's another report that bb Netnyahu suggested that we now give the signal to the Iranian people to rise up in the streets, and President Trump rebuff that and said they'll get mowed down. 00:06:36 Speaker 4: I mean, I think we saw they clearly were leaning that way when it first began. Remember when the first strikes threw in, a lot of the rhetoric from the President was the Iranian people, take back your country. He was clearly gesturing towards something like that happening, and in truth, I think they expected that to happen, and then it didn't. There wasn't a big, strong upsurge. 00:06:56 Speaker 3: And well, I think you know, I've been calling around on this. They are waiting for the signal to go, and they can give them the signal. I think the Rais of Pavlavi could give the signal and it would probably generate some movement. But again, I don't think President Trump thinks it's safe for them to do so. 00:07:14 Speaker 4: Yet it probably isn't. And it's difficult because, I mean, what we could do is we could give the signal and then just explicitly launch air strikes on behalf of those people. But it's difficult to coordinate with a fundamentally uncoordinated mass. It's difficult. It's easy to do air strikes on a you know, a facility, on a base, even on a ship, but on a bunch of guys running around with aks. You know, it's difficult. 00:07:39 Speaker 3: It's an interesting idea because I met some Persian folks recently and they were basically telling me the people are ready to rise up when the signal is given, and I said, well, why are they armed? He said, no, they're not well and I said, well, then the IRGC's armed and they're going to get mowed down again. Basically what Trump said, an interesting potential of having you know, the eighty second airborne these marines in position I mean in theory. Again, I don't love this job falling to us, but maybe a potentiality here is that they give the signal to go and these guys basically become like a protector force. You know, I don't know, it sounds like a terrible idea. I'm just saying, maybe that's one of the options on the table. 00:08:23 Speaker 4: We've repeatedly wanted uprisings to sort of efficiently and easily solve our problems in the Middle East, and there's often this idea that any government we're fighting has this zero percent approval rating that will crumble as soon as you blow up a few guys. And unfortunately, I think it's clear there's at least a pretty large mass of Iranians who do support this regime, and there might be more now because they're at war. Wars radicalize people in a country. 00:08:50 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, the factions within an old country, an ancient culture like Iran are going to be deeper than in a country like Venezuela. Right, So we're just gonna have to see how this plays out. I just watched A Great Awakening, and I have to tell you this isn't just another historical drama. It's a wake up call that you all need to pay attention to. We spend so much time talking about seventeen seventy six and constitutions and congresses and declarations, but this film reminds you of something even deeper. Before the revolution, there was revelation. George Whitfield wasn't a politician, he was a preacher. And yet watching this film, you see how his fearless proclamation of liberty in Christ shook the colonies to their core. It unified people who had nothing else uniting him, and that is power. What really struck me was the portrayal of Benjamin Franklin. He's this brilliant rational mind and yet he's drawn into genuine friendship with Whitfield, not because he suddenly becomes someone else, but because he begins to see freedom isn't structural, it's spiritual. The film makes one thing clear, you cannot sustain political liberty without moral and spiritual awakening. In theaters April third, visit a Great Awakening dot com to learn more today A Great Awakening dot Com to learn more today without further ado. So excited have Megan Basham in studio in Phoenix? 00:10:20 Speaker 6: I know, I'm so excited to be here. 00:10:21 Speaker 7: I like, I've done the show so many times, but I've never been here in person, So now I feel like real. 00:10:25 Speaker 3: We like to keep you. 00:10:26 Speaker 4: Have you ever been in God's Furnace before? 00:10:29 Speaker 6: I haven't? 00:10:29 Speaker 7: And it is actually well, Okay, I grew up in Arizona. Okay, so I thought we were talking about the building like it's actually very. 00:10:35 Speaker 4: Cool in Oh no, no, that's very cool in here. 00:10:36 Speaker 3: The building is not U hopefully this is more like holy ground than yeah. 00:10:41 Speaker 7: No, but yeah, I grew up in Phoenix, so yeah, we we fled the summer of indoor open experience like many years ago. 00:10:47 Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, but you're what you're in Tennessee. 00:10:50 Speaker 6: Charlotte Charlotte because I was headquarters. 00:10:54 Speaker 3: I was thinking of a daily wire. Yeah. Uh so you get hot and you get the humidity, so I don't know what I think. I had actually prefer the dry oven heat for four months as opposed to and this is unseasonably warm. 00:11:06 Speaker 6: Yeah this is and I knew that. 00:11:07 Speaker 7: So I mean, like, you know, we're we're Arizona born and bread, so we know that you guys are having freakish weather. 00:11:11 Speaker 3: Yeah that's great. Okay. So we actually were planning on having a conversation about this earlier in the week than the Joe Kent stuff, and we brought Schellenberger on and then you were like, well, I'm gonna be in Phoenix anyways, Like, well, then we're just gonna do it then. So it's a bit of abrupt pit pivot because we were talking about ground troops and and things that Blake kind of laughed at the breaks like that was a that was an awkward pivot. I was like, yeah, I know, we're going from ground invasion to promiscuity in Virginia. 00:11:36 Speaker 6: Yeah. 00:11:37 Speaker 3: So this this tweek like took over X which was pretty impressive because there's a lot going on. Blake give us give us the rundown here. 00:11:45 Speaker 4: Well, so what it was is it went astonishingly viral. It was a a Christian man named Trevor Trevor Sheets and he just does kind of a I just does a he just does a post and I don't know that we want to read the whole thing, but it was based the opening line of it, which is what I think got a lot of people's attention, was my wife was formerly promiscuous. I was a virgin. She was then radically born again, committed to church, evangelized, constantly, Puritan books in her bedroom, prayer journals, grief overpast, sexual sin, et cetera. We got to know each other over each other well over a year, dated for four months, engaged for two and a half, and didn't sin sexually with one another. Our first kiss was on the altar of our wedding day. Goes on talks about they've been married for several years now, they have children and all of these things, and then there's a photo at the bottom of their wedding which is very nice. This has gotten thirty five million views on that's like Nick Shirley levels of view count, and it's been very divisive. As we know, because some people say this is a perfectly fine testament. Some people say it's TMI. Some people say, I mean, we'll get yours. It really is a warshock test because some people think, is this wallowing in a sin? Is this throwing your wife under the bus? Is this the right way to approach a topic like that? 00:13:03 Speaker 3: And wanted to say his wife is a whore? 00:13:06 Speaker 1: Right, he said, she's a former formerly promiscous. 00:13:10 Speaker 6: I mean it was literally five words that like. 00:13:13 Speaker 3: Blew up, blew up the internet. Yeah, so what's your take on this, Megan? 00:13:17 Speaker 6: Okay, so I have a different take. 00:13:19 Speaker 3: There'll be so nuanced that that I that my eyes glaze open. 00:13:22 Speaker 6: Nuance is not usually my problem. So, you know, a couple of. 00:13:26 Speaker 7: Data points I want to bring to this story. One is that this woman was a girl at the time these things were going on. She was under eighteen years ago, he told me she was. She became a Christian at seventeen. So the guys who are having a really good time calling her whorror and much much worse are not recognizing that they're actually talking about the activities of someone when she was legally a child. So, you know, I don't know her story I don't know what went on in her background, but she's. 00:13:56 Speaker 3: Been very public about it. By the way, before this, this is sort of part of the ministry I think together, right, And I mean. 00:14:03 Speaker 7: And she I read her full testimony, and I think she said it started around fifteen, so you know, fifteen to seventeen. 00:14:10 Speaker 6: Maybe was a little younger. 00:14:11 Speaker 7: Than that, But my point being, usually there is some traumatic things in someone's background when they've had that experience by seventeen years old. So she became a Christian at seventeen. And the other thing I want to correct is there was a ton of guys out there saying, like, oh, she's They were basically equating her to Nala Ray, like saying, okay, so you were like a webcam girl and you were promiscuous, and you know, they described it much worse terms, but then you pivoted to become a Christian influencer. And I'm like, no, this woman became a Christian almost ten years ago. So it's not like she's like, oh, yeah, yesterday I was on OnlyFans, but now I'm building up my platform by saying I'm reformed. This woman actually did the steps of repentance and got married and has been living. 00:14:54 Speaker 6: You know, quietly, she has three kids. 00:14:56 Speaker 7: Yeah, this is not somebody who like immediately was like now embraced me as a Christian influencer. I mean, she's shown repentance, and she's shown fruit in keeping with repentance. So I'm like, this is not that kind of story. And I understand the resentment of young guys going Okay, so the second you say I'm a Christian now, even the five minutes ago, I was on OnlyFans, I'm going to keep all the money and in fact, I'm going to continue to make money now on my reform story. I get the suspicion of that. I get the cynicism. That's not this woman. So you know, that's something else I would want to emphasize because I think people didn't do enough research. 00:15:32 Speaker 6: And I actually communicated with her a little bit. 00:15:35 Speaker 7: Yeah, So we were messaging and I just said, were you embarrassed by what your husband put out there? And just as she said I think in a clip that we have, she was very clear with me, No, I've been very public about my testimony. 00:15:47 Speaker 6: I wasn't embarrassed. My husband knew that he is free to. 00:15:50 Speaker 7: Talk about this, and to the degree that he talked about it, and we can debate the wisdom of the. 00:15:55 Speaker 6: Forum in which he talked about it. 00:15:57 Speaker 7: But this man, acording to what Ashley Sheets told me, was very clear that he had his wife's permission to discuss this topic. 00:16:07 Speaker 3: Well, we have that clip. I think this is what it is. Twenty five. 00:16:12 Speaker 8: He showed me that I was My promiscuity was a sin against God, and I deserved hell. But Jesus paid for all my sin. And all I have to do is to repent and trust alone in Jesus, and I will be new. And that night I gave my life to Jesus. That person who was promiscuous is dead. She's gone, and I am new in Christ. And that is why I have no shame anymore, because God looks at me as clean and robed in Christ's righteousness. 00:17:00 Speaker 3: It's a beautiful clip, actually, but the youth of the word promiscuous is still like it hits every time she says it. 00:17:06 Speaker 4: It's like, can you it's not a word you hear much these days? 00:17:09 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not. But I but that's a beautiful clip and theologically it's accurate. 00:17:13 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:17:13 Speaker 7: And something else she said in that interview, if you watched it, and I thought, this is so different from what we have gotten from the Me Too movement, which is that a lot of women who obviously participated in some level in consensual sexual sin then later come back and. 00:17:27 Speaker 4: Go rewrite it right. 00:17:28 Speaker 6: I was traumatized. I was I didn't you know? 00:17:32 Speaker 7: I was abused even though you know they willingly participated. If there's some power and balance this this woman was actually a minor when these things happen, and yet she's very clearly taking responsibility for her own sinful choices, and you don't see that often. I mean, I think part of what you hear from Ashley Sheets and using the word promiscuity is she's trying not to minimize. 00:17:54 Speaker 3: I think you're right her background. I think you're right. And you know, it's funny because the guys were showing me this at the office the day it was kind of blowing up and they were like, what are your thoughts? What are your thoughts? And I read it. I was like, honestly, I think it's you know, it's accurate, like theologically is a Christian, Like everything she said here is or they said. 00:18:12 Speaker 4: I love the verses they quote and he quotes several different verses. You know, he mentions, uh, the parable about debt's being forgiven, and then her many sins have been forgiven. That is why she loved much. The one who has forgiven little loves little. If anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away, and see the new has come. That's from Corinthians, right. 00:18:32 Speaker 3: But I could tell just on the fact that everybody was showing it to me, like, you know, you look at the comments like delete this, delete this, not too late to delete this? Oh wait it is, you know, and everybody just kind of piling on. I mean, here's the thing. X is a really mean place. Yeah, it's extraordinarily mean. Was this a good form, Yeah, it's an extraordinarily mean place. Like just you know, we can attest to that in the last six months. But so so I think that was more of the intrigue for me is just to see the way people reacted. And it didn't trigger me when I saw that being said. You know, I understood that given the forum, the way that that first line was in there, and now people are alleging that it was part of this building a platform and that he's a Christian marketing guy. And so he knew what he was doing. I don't know. I don't think I buy that. 00:19:19 Speaker 7: I don't really either, in part because again, I mean, it was like almost ten years ago that you know, this happened, that she came to cry. So I'm like, you know, she's been pretty public with her testimony since then. I think she wrote about it in twenty nineteen. It's her pinned tweet. It's been there since twenty nineteen. So you know, I don't think we can read their motives right there. So you know, I'm going to go, I think everybody who's saying we know why they're doing that, we can't know that. 00:19:45 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I agree they so, but it kind of does you hit on a vein here that I think has a lot of rich stuff to explore. Because we had a guy named Gabe Saint in the studio yesterday and he was talking about the animosity and the resentment between the sexes, especially with gen Z, and there is a distortion of you know, what young women expect from their men and what young men are even capable of providing. He kept using this word simps that they were kind of these beta male, these these sort of weak, weak men that don't know how to lead, they don't know how to be masculine, and then the ones that do, they're not free to be strong and masculine. And the women want the men to accept all this responsibility, be the provider, take care of them, bring them flowers, take them on days, pay for dinner, but they don't give them any authority in the relationships. So they're just expecting the men to sort of worship them and revolve around them. And it feels like there is this healthy imbalance. And you talked about you understood the suspicion that women get to be sort of promiscuous, and then when they just claim the name of Jesus, you know, good men have to take them back or something. There is a lot there because actually, under underlying a lot of this is a really unhealthy, I think, relationship between the sexes. As America turns two hundred and fifty, we want to help good ranchers take a moment to remember the people who built it, and those, of course are America's ranchers. For over two hundred fifty years, branches had worked tirelessly to feed America through droughts, wars, recessions, pandemics changing politics. They don't stop, and that is the kind of legacy Good Ranchers was built on. Unlike others, Good Ranchers is a meat company that's one hundred percent committed to America, not just in words, but in practice. Every cut they offer is raised on local American farms and ranches, from the pasture to the final seal on every box. 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This is a crazy stat Sixty three percent of young men between the ages of eighteen and twenty nine report being single, compared to only thirty four percent of women for the same age. Correct the maths don't math. First of all, So there's somebody's not telling somebody what's really going on here. 00:22:52 Speaker 6: You're dating older men, or some men are dating multiple women. 00:22:56 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean that's that's classic. 00:22:58 Speaker 3: Yeah. So, but there is resentment that is building. And again I go back to Gabe st He's our turning point, chapter president of the University of Wyoming. He explained this, you know, he said, it's even amongst conservatives that share sensibly the same value set. What do you make of it? 00:23:15 Speaker 6: So, you know, a couple of things. 00:23:16 Speaker 7: One, it was funny that I ended up sort of being on the receiving end of some of the hostility over the last couple of days when I came to this woman's defense because I have been very outspoken that I believe the long House is real and it's a real problem. And I'm actually working on a book on this that I'm like, I do believe that we are increasingly living in a guynocracy. You hear that term, which essentially means that it is a female dominated culture. 00:23:41 Speaker 3: Helen Andrews, very Helen Andrews. 00:23:44 Speaker 6: And can I tell you I posted. 00:23:44 Speaker 4: It in the Long House. 00:23:47 Speaker 7: Right and I have gone, you know, to the mattresses fighting some of these you know, evangelical influencers who have denied that the long House is real. 00:23:55 Speaker 3: I'm like, it is absolutely real. 00:23:59 Speaker 4: It's the idea in ancient times everyone lived in a big long house and you could get bossed around by women we would nague basically. And so that's the online term, just explaining for all of our boomer viewers. 00:24:09 Speaker 7: But but so at the same time, I watched this very bitter, angry reaction from so many young men over the last forty eight hours to this post and one I think they are projecting all kinds of things onto this couple, and in particular this woman that I'm like, you don't know her background, you don't understand, and you're assuming that she is like sort of any cam girl who is just you know, on a dime, said now I'm a Christian and so now by my new merch, that's you know, Christian branded merch. 00:24:37 Speaker 6: This is not this woman. But I think a lot of that bitterness. 00:24:40 Speaker 7: As we said, sixty three percent of young men say they're single, only thirty four percent of young women say they're single. 00:24:47 Speaker 6: That's creating bitterness. 00:24:48 Speaker 3: By the way, Gabe is saying that a lot of young men are just opting out. 00:24:52 Speaker 7: Right and like they there are stats showing that roughly half of young men have not dated in the last year. So you have a lot of young men who are just simply not romantically involved with anyone. They're not pursuing women. And so I understand, and I don't want to use that term in self because I understand that that's offensive. 00:25:11 Speaker 3: But a lot of them are probably a lot of them are probably either wasting away like on Twitch and video games and porn. And I mean, honestly, it's a bad it's not a good ending to this story. 00:25:24 Speaker 7: And that's what I want to come at, is that there's so much fault on both sides. I understand that, but when we look at these things and we talk about these things, we have to be able to talk about them. We have to talk about the real reality of young men being isolated, not pursuing women, not dating. 00:25:40 Speaker 6: It's a statistical reality. 00:25:41 Speaker 7: It is not meant to disparage anyone or to insult anyone. It's just to acknowledge what's happening here and that it would very understandably engender feelings of anger and resentment. But the thing to do is not you know, projected all over this girl who has been saved and you know, was saved ten years ago. 00:26:00 Speaker 6: And the other thing. 00:26:01 Speaker 7: I think there is a false perception by young men because of this, that young women are more promiscuous than they used to be. Statistically, that's not true. They're actually we. 00:26:11 Speaker 4: Have a sex or statistic across the board. Everyone is they stay inside, they don't. They have fewer friends, they go to fewer events. Everyone's just sort of seceding from society. 00:26:23 Speaker 6: So, but men are doing so more than women. 00:26:25 Speaker 4: Probably men have an easier time doing it, I'll be frank like men have an easier time being solitary. They are. They find things like as you said, like video games, internet stuff, they find that all more appealing. They're less socially oriented. And so I think a big answer is like they actually do just have an easier time getting by alone. 00:26:43 Speaker 3: I want to mention. I want to bring up this Nala Ray thing because I remember Charlie had Nala on the podcast, and you know, everybody's like, you know, you shouldn't be lifting her up as some like influencer, some leader, And that was not the spirit of why he had Nala on. He had her on to war young women away from OnlyFans, right, And I thought that was admirable because actually our disposition is much more sympathetic to you know, the Prodigal Sun's story, the bringing in, Like we believe that change is real. If you don't, then you're not a Christian. Like you can be born again, the old is gone, the new has come. You can be clothed in christ you can be clothed in redemption. If that's not true, then what are we even doing here? And I understand that you don't want to lift those people up too soon, you know, be careful who you lay hands on. I get that, but that's that was not why we had Nala on, Because Nala was was warning against this really coercive addiction riddled sort of lifestyle where you're an online prostitute. I mean, that's what you are, and I thought that was fine. I don't know Nana's heart. I don't know what her ultimate motives were. If she was just sort of taking the influencer world and transposing it onto a Christian setting, I don't know, but I think it's important to warn people about this. But you what's your time. I'm just curious, like what your take is on the Nalay thing, because we that was a huge blow up for us. 00:28:09 Speaker 7: Yeah, and you know, part of what I think we don't talk about with that is that there's this perception that all of these young women just go, I want to get on a webcam and make lots of money. Two problems with that. One that's not I've talked to people in that world, and that's not typically how it goes down. How it goes down is there are a lot of only fans agencies now that deceptively recruit these young women. So they scout on Instagram and they will look for girls who are maybe and girls, you know, sixteen seventeen can be very dumb, and they will post bikini pictures and things, and there are only fans agents who go trolling and they find those girls and they start to build a relationship with them. And what they want is so the second they turn eighteen, they can then transfer them to OnlyFans and take a big cut of their earnings. So that's one. So people don't know that you actually have only Fans agencies praying on stupid teenage girls. 00:28:58 Speaker 3: The founder just died, yeah, of cancer at forty three. Noteworthy. 00:29:04 Speaker 7: Yeah, and I you know, I'll like God to say subscribe to his Yeah. When I saw that was what is it profit a man to gain the world and lose his soul? 00:29:11 Speaker 3: Lose his soul, I wouldn't want to be on the I wouldn't want to see his welcoming committee. That's all. Yeah. 00:29:15 Speaker 7: And the other point of this is that there's this perception that all of these women on Only Fans are making tons. 00:29:21 Speaker 4: Of money, and the vast majority don't. 00:29:23 Speaker 7: They make about the average is about a thousand dollars, like a month. I don't think it's a month, No, I think it's like ever. Yeah, Like they'll go on, they'll make a little bit of money and then they get off. 00:29:34 Speaker 4: I mean not that it's really that much better if you make a lot of money, but it is like it's something insult exceptionally evil about something that leaves an indelible mark on like, well, I don't want to say indelible. Jesus can clear a lot, but it's like it leaves that huge damage on your soul, on your on your personality, on your ability to live a normal life ever after. And yeah, and you get nothing for it. Just choose and spits people up, right. 00:29:56 Speaker 7: And so I think there is this perception that these women are profiting and no one's holding them accountable and they're getting away with it. And you know a couple things to say about that one. Ultimately, in light of eternity, nobody's going to get away with anything. The person who can read our hearts perfectly is going to know whether or not you were truly repentant. So you want to encourage these young Christian men. Hey, nobody's going to pull the wool over God's eyes. You know, there will be accountability eventually. But in the meantime, instead of attacking this individual woman, we need to talk about you know, why we got to this place that young men and young women are not finding each other and finding relationships. 00:30:31 Speaker 4: So I wanted to ask, just so we are, as you said, we have the problem that young people are splitting apart. Another debate that was going on in the last few days there was a woman who on I believe a woman on X who basically said it's not appropriate to ask people to date, like in a church setting. That's not what women are that I saw you definitely disagree with. But more generally, I guess, what should the approach of churches or just conservative movement stuff generally be towards this crisis, because it will destroy human civilizations, right. 00:31:05 Speaker 7: And so up to now, I think the church has now realized they've handled it abominably. 00:31:10 Speaker 6: I mean, I can show you. 00:31:11 Speaker 7: Just a couple of years ago, you have essays at like the Gospel Coalition in places like that saying we have to stop making marriage and idle, we have to not make family and idle. And it's very much that proverbial CS Lewis quote about you have these guys running around with fire extinguishers. 00:31:26 Speaker 6: To put out floods. That's essentially what they're doing. 00:31:29 Speaker 7: Because you're like, we we have a massive problem of a crashing birth rate, a crashing marriage rate, and in the meantime, the church has been telling us don't idolize marriage and. 00:31:38 Speaker 6: Family, and I'm like, I don't think that's our problem right now. 00:31:41 Speaker 7: So you know, that's first is that we actually have to acknowledge that it is very important civilizationally that we form families, and that is scriptural. You know, it's biblical that we recognize the building block of mother, father, children. So you know, that's the first part. The second part is the messaging absolutely needs to be no, you should be looking for your spouse at church. Where better to look for your spouse? And you know that Also, I would say we also need to have an education of young women in how to be gracious in saying no, thank you, so that if a young man asks one woman out and she's not that interested at church, if he then you know, a few weeks later, a couple months later, asks out her friend that first girl should not go and say, oh, he's so creepy. 00:32:28 Speaker 6: He asked me out too. 00:32:30 Speaker 7: I mean, that's the kind of thing, that's the kind of mean girl thing that I hear a lot about anecdotally, and I think that's real. 00:32:36 Speaker 4: I have, well, did you well, I was just thinking it's really I thought a bit about how so much of the system has broken down over time as marriage rates have declined, as like courtship periods have extended. Because I remember another thing that when viral a few months ago, was just talking about people dating back in like the forties and fifties, and like, oh, these people are dating four or five people at a time. Well, yeah, because they actually are just going on dates with them. They're not having these extends relationships. I think about steady go in a thing exactly, and as it was like the defining the relationship moment I want to go study with you, and then it was usually a brief thing. I think about. One thing I wonder about is is there damage that's done? For example, just it seems much more than norm even in Christian communities to just be in a unmarried, unengaged relationship for one year, two year, three years, then you get engaged for a year and a half and then you actually pull the trigger. And it's just no one was doing that back when we actually had thriving families and the two percent divorce rate. 00:33:33 Speaker 7: Yeah, and you know, I haven't looked deeply into this story, but one of the other interesting developments a couple of weeks ago, was Pastor Josh Howerton like challenging these shacking up or you know, let's say, promiscuous couples who are having sex and not married. He directly said, you're in sin and you need to get this right. So, you know, here's how we do this. Let's get married. Let's have a big I'm gonna let you guys know in a couple of weeks a month, I can't remember. 00:34:01 Speaker 3: How when they all got married, we're going to be that. 00:34:02 Speaker 7: Yeah, they had a huge multi marriage, multi marriage ceremony or a. 00:34:07 Speaker 3: Whole bunch of people ligamy one to one. 00:34:10 Speaker 6: Yeah, living together or having sex marriage. You got to correct that. 00:34:15 Speaker 3: It was great. I'm all for it. By the way, I think we make way too much a marriage. It costs way too much. It's too much hurdle. Just go like have a pot luck, put on a dress, wear a suit. 00:34:25 Speaker 4: One of the most successful families I know is a guy he's about my age, and he got married at the Jefferson Memorial. It cost him about like four hundred and then he had a dinner with his friends in the common area of their apartment building. It costs them about four hundred dollars, they own a house, they have four kids, they live in DC. 00:34:42 Speaker 3: I totally agree. And everybody wants to like one up the other people and have their wedding be more beautiful. I think there's beauty in the way they used to do it in like the seventies and eighties. I see, like my my parents, their wedding was like in the backyard of my grandma's house and it was just simple. Anyways, last question here, and then we got to do the hot swap with Molly and Sean the so Matt Waller, she has come out and said, my biggest issue with this is that, like we need to stop celebrating our formerly sinful ways because you're giving this permission structure to your kids right to then go, oh, they survived, It's gonna be fine. I actually totally agree with that. At a pastor that said, I want less impressive testimonies. I want a bunch of like I was born, I met Jesus, I served Jesus, I lived well and righteously got married, had kids, had those kids. You know what I mean? Right Like in church's Evangelical churches are the worst of this. They're like I was a drug dealer for the cartel, and then I was shooting up Heroin and then Jesus came to me, and it's like, Okay, that's that's great, but like like hopefully we have boring testimonies, right, And I agree, there's. 00:35:40 Speaker 7: Two things there. One we need to celebrate boring testimonies. 00:35:44 Speaker 5: Yes. 00:35:44 Speaker 7: In fact, I once heard this woman give this great testimony where she said I was saved from heroin, I was saved from prostitution. I was saying, and she did this whole list, no, no, no. Then at the end she goes, I was saved by all that because I became a Christian as a child and I never did any of those things. 00:36:00 Speaker 6: Aren't saved me from doing any of that. I never had to experience any of it. And I thought that was a great test. 00:36:04 Speaker 3: So do you share? Do you share your formally sinful ways with your kids? 00:36:07 Speaker 7: Is the question I do judiciously because I do think you know, Okay, I am someone with a somewhat colorful testimony. 00:36:17 Speaker 3: You're breaking all the rules I just laid out. 00:36:19 Speaker 7: I know, I'm sorry, but but it is a question of wisdom. I think you know, are you glorifying. 00:36:24 Speaker 6: Your sin for your kids? 00:36:25 Speaker 7: Are you a little bit like going that was such a good time, But yeah, I totally regret it. 00:36:28 Speaker 6: I'm not going to do that again. 00:36:30 Speaker 7: Or are you saying like I'm not going to, you know, delve into juicy details and specifics. But here's some poor choices I made in my youth generally, and here is what it cost me, and and be real and honest about the cost. 00:36:46 Speaker 6: So you know, those are two different pieces. 00:36:47 Speaker 7: Because look, I mean when we look at Paul and like acts, he's he's pretty out there about here's you know, I was chasing questions to perse killing them. Yeah, I was chasing them to foreign cities. 00:36:59 Speaker 6: He's not really shy and retiring about what he was doing. 00:37:02 Speaker 3: He's not talking about his heroin usage and his promise. 00:37:04 Speaker 6: Cute, but is that worse? I mean he was trying to murder Christian. 00:37:07 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, No, I think you said it really well and it's a good place to wrap it. Meghan Basham, you rock. We love having you in studio, and that's so. 00:37:15 Speaker 6: Good to be here. I've never been in studio on this. 00:37:16 Speaker 4: That's very much tearful. 00:37:20 Speaker 3: Imagine being a young woman just finding out that you're pregnant, not knowing where to go or what to do, not even knowing exactly what is going on in your body, while the whole world tells her it's just a clump of cells. You and I we both know the truth. We know it is a baby. And once she has an ultrasound that you provide and she sees the truth of the baby growing inside of her, you help her choose life. When you join us in providing ultrasounds with preborn and she sees her baby and here's her baby's heartbeat, you will double the likelihood that she will choose life. 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I check every day, and you guys have an event here in town, and so we get the present the glory of your presence, which not to be you know, related to Jesus, because you're not Jesus, but you're pretty great. You're pretty great. Thank you guys for coming. 00:38:55 Speaker 9: It's wonderful to be here with you. 00:38:56 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the second time we've had you, so so. 00:38:59 Speaker 4: Said the ready to talk about everything literally literally. So what do you guys think of the new Lord of the Rings movie that they're gonna make? 00:39:06 Speaker 10: Why? 00:39:07 Speaker 3: Why? 00:39:08 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm very traumatized. 00:39:10 Speaker 4: They're gonna Stephen Colbert write a Lord of the Rings movie about Sam's daughter. It's we'll talk about. 00:39:16 Speaker 10: It today, And even in the trailer for or in the announcement of it, they were getting basic facts wrong about it, which did not inspire trust. 00:39:23 Speaker 1: They claim, I hope not. They claimed that, uh, Frodo died. No, he didn't. 00:39:29 Speaker 4: Actually doesn't he die? 00:39:30 Speaker 1: I think no, he just goes to the undying lands with the elves. 00:39:33 Speaker 4: Yeah, but like I think the implication is he still dies there. Like, he doesn't become immortal. He doesn't reject you know, baitars. 00:39:39 Speaker 1: I don't anything. If Tolkien said doesn't say he's dead, he's not dead. 00:39:43 Speaker 3: So you say Tolkien Tolkien, Yeah, I say Tolkien tolkaien either way. 00:39:50 Speaker 10: Anyway, I just wanted there's also an issue with Stephen Colbert there. Stephen Colbert is, you know, someone who has been funny in his past but is not has lost his show because of his hyperpartisanship. He just runs a Democrat pack at night, and he lost his show, and yet now he gets to write something of the rings like that. It just really speaks to the power that the left has over many instance. 00:40:16 Speaker 3: It also speaks to just how absolutely awful late night has or Hollywood has become, that they're they're using a washed up late night host who like, there's got to be better options than Stephen Colbert is what I'm saying. 00:40:30 Speaker 1: A few hundred He's not even like really a writer. I'm sure he wrote I'm sure he's written bits, but the idea that he's going to magically write a screenplay on one of the most celebrated works of fiction in all of history is it's absurd. 00:40:43 Speaker 3: Now I have to get this, uh, this Jimmy Kimmel clip because you guys have now inspired it with Stephen Colbert where he's attacking Mark Wayne Mullin for being a plumber and IM and Mike Lee called him an elitist bastard, and I thought that was wonderful, And I think you could use even more colorful language. Michael is a Mormon, He's that's about his far. That's pretty strong for Mike Lee, but I completely agree. Jimmy Kimmel, remind you, is the guy that almost lost his show, should have lost his show when he tried to blame charlie'ssassination on MAGA, and so I went after him and it was like this Collette versus Kimmel thing like for like three days, and and I I just can't stand the guy. There's something about Jimmy Kimmel that makes my skin crawl. I think he's a rudderless, moral less, absolute, disgusting, vile creature. 00:41:35 Speaker 1: Well, here's what I don't get about him attacking Mullen. Jimmy Kimmel got his start in media with Adam Carolla. He has Adam Krolla to thank for being a big name. Adam Krolla was like a carpenter and a general contractor. 00:41:49 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great point. 00:41:50 Speaker 1: It's like so one of his that I should yeah in the break like he's one of he's one of Kimmel's best friends. The reason anyone cares about him because Corolla is clearly the funnier one of the two who still to this day, like I think does construction stuff for fun? And then you're mocking a tradesman. I just I don't, I don't get it. 00:42:10 Speaker 3: Well, he's a disgusting pile of garbage. Why there's nothing to get And then and then he had the gall to claim he was a victim of The. 00:42:18 Speaker 10: Big crime there with him is that he's just never funny. It's any cries, mean and angry again, and then cries and when he he you know people, he likes to play this victim. He was sharing made up information for political gain. He was lying for political gain, which is why he suffered for what he was saying. 00:42:39 Speaker 3: There and think about what the message is sent. It's a you can go shoot a conservative and the entire liberal media apparatus is going to rally to your defense and whitewash it and make it go away. That is a green light for other people to do it. 00:42:53 Speaker 10: As well, and blame some of the primary victims. Yes, which is just disgusting, reprehensible stuff. But I just in general, the Democrat Party, of which Jimmy Kimmel is a major player, they they are what is it like, forty points underwater with men right now? No normal man feels good about the Democrat Party. And then they're going out there and saying, if you are a plumber or a carpenter, you're reprehensible. You know, you have no business having any say in the running of our country. And you wonder why they have these problems. 00:43:22 Speaker 3: Well, let's go ahead and play the clip. Then, just since we brought it up, it's not twenty six bo Warrie. 00:43:28 Speaker 11: Trumb's got a whole new generation of thinkers lined up, including his newly confirmed Secretary of Homeland Security, Mark Wayne Chuck, Mike Bruce, Dave Mullen. 00:43:39 Speaker 3: Maybe Melon's better. 00:43:40 Speaker 11: He is the now former Senator of Oklahoma. Before he was elected to the Senate, Mark Wayne Mullen was a low level MMA. 00:43:48 Speaker 3: Fighter and a plumber. 00:43:50 Speaker 11: That's right, we have a plumber protecting us from terrorism. 00:43:54 Speaker 3: Now I work for Super Mario. Why not Mark Wayne? 00:43:57 Speaker 4: It's I'm reading he owned eat separate businesses. 00:44:02 Speaker 3: Multimillion dollar business. It was a six man crew that he took over from his dad and he turned it into this enormous company. 00:44:09 Speaker 1: What is a clown? Jimmy Kimmel is a clown? What is a clown doing like a literal court jester for the regime? What is he doing mocking someone else's occupational choice? Also, if we're gonna make jokes about Mark wwain Mullen, he sounds like I don't know a receiver for Florida with a cue in his name. Maybe maybe there's an apostrophe in there, Like there's your obvious joke, Mark Qwain. But no, you're gonna make fun of him for being a plumber, Mark Quain. 00:44:35 Speaker 10: I do want to say that this speaking of him being a former Oklahoma senator does remind me of a big pet peeve I have with the Republican Party, which is in a state like Maine, where a Republican has no shot of winning, you get someone like Susan Collins, who's actually remarkably great for the state of Maine. Her In a state like Oklahoma, which bleeds red, you get these really limb Lankford disappointing senators who in no way are doing what they You know, you can tolerate a Susan Collins if you have someone who's actually worthy, you know, in Oklahoma, to push to push the agenda in ways that that they can do because they're so safe. And I do not feel great about the current senators out of. 00:45:20 Speaker 1: Oklahom Oklahoma gave us Tom Coburn. How is it that the redest state in the country. I don't think a single county in Oklahoma has voted for a damn in multiple elections. Why are they giving us squishy? 00:45:31 Speaker 3: Well, this is my problem. This is my problem with Texas. That even Cornyn's on the on the table to be endorsed is beyond me. I mean, Texas should absolutely have some of our best senators, right and and that's why we've I mean we've endorsed packs and I've had them on the show. I thought that was a brilliant movies that I'd drop out if Cornyan if they you know, pass the Save Act, that they make a deal to get it done, Save America Act. I thought that was a smart chess move, and Trump's kind of taking a step back. I think he kind of read the tea leaves read the room a little bit, and we'll see how that plays out. 00:46:03 Speaker 10: But there was a huge information operation right after that primary. Cornyn should have, with the amount of money he spent, with his name recognition, with being an incumbent, he should have cleaned up in that primary, and he did not. You know, he went to a runoff, and there was this info op in DC to say, oh, he won, you know, because he had more than all of the other contenders. 00:46:22 Speaker 9: He performed so horribly. 00:46:24 Speaker 10: And you're seeing now that Trump is not does not seem like inclined to endorse him, given the guy's. 00:46:30 Speaker 3: Been a backstabber. I mean, in this you gotta get these guys out. I mean, listen, if you can get Lindsey Graham out in South Carolina, if you can get if you can get Nate Morris and Kentucky, if you can get a Paxton in Texas already, that's a that would be a huge upgrade in multiple places. The ones that frustrate me are like, Okay, we got rid of Romney in Utah and we got replaced with Curtis. 00:46:53 Speaker 9: How do you perform more poorly than Romney? Jesus. 00:46:57 Speaker 3: I really want folks to understand this. Just a quick shout out to you guys, and I know Charlie appreciated it as well, because we set it privately a bunch as we're building the show and thinking through our show flow. You know, you can't measure the impact of the work that you guys do just on how many page visits you get. And I hope people understand that because it would be shows like ours and when Charlie was here where you guys formed so much of the intellectual groundwork and foundational thought work that went into then doing it on the show and the podcast, and then millions more would see it. And so I just you know, you guys do really really important work, and we just totally respect you guys, and you've been doing it for so long and doing it the right way, and I hope people really understand that about you guys. 00:47:41 Speaker 9: I really appreciate that. 00:47:42 Speaker 10: And Sean and I were talking actually just this morning about the important difference between mere punditry and actual investigative reporting. Anyone can give their opinion about anything if you actually want to change the situation on the ground, knowing the facts, being able to put them together in a sensible way, and also just how a different perspective than everybody else in corporate media. Of course, you know they're always they're always trying to push an establishment talking point. Even if you take this week in the discussions on the Save Act, everyone in DC is trying to say, oh, they're gonna they're gonna get this Save Act done through reconciliation. Through our reporting with actual facts, we're showing how that's actually not going to happen, and how that's a cop out. And you know it's one thing to just say it, it's another thing to show procedurally why that's why that's Yeah. 00:48:28 Speaker 3: I mean, it's amazing how much power the parliamentarian has. You know, it's like you can't you there's they tried right during the BBB, like the at some point that was floated and they were like you can't get it through. Yeah, that stripped it. 00:48:42 Speaker 1: Reconciliation is a weird thing because so much of the rules around it are statutory, you know, so most Senate procedure and parliamentary stuff is just based on internal rules and precedents. Budget stuff and reconciliation stuff are one of the rare areas where they've actually put these restrictions on what the Senate can do in it into law. If you go back and read the debate at the time, a lot of people thought that was a really bad idea, like you can't be putting Senate procedure into law, Like that's that's weird. And I will actually go to bat for the parliamentarian on this one. You know, you'll have people say, oh, well, she's the pointed by read. She's a Democrat. I've known her for a long time, worked with her when I worked for Tom Coburn, and she's a total straight shooter. And when it comes to things like christ conciliation, because the rules are in law, she has very little room to maneuver. The law says what it says. The rules are what they are, and it's up to the Senate at some point to actually take some responsibility and determine whether it's going to allow this stuff or not. 00:49:41 Speaker 3: So then I got to put you as a got to ask the tough question, then abolish the philibuster is nuke it? What are we going to do here talking philibrate? What do we what should be the next step? 00:49:52 Speaker 10: I would just say, you do not need to destroy the filibuster in order to continue to push the Save Act through the Senate. It's you know, the filibuster is an important thing for minority rights, and frequently people on the right and conservatives are going to be in the minority. Taking away all minority rights from the Senate, which is supposed to be this great deliberative body, is not a great idea. I think what what is a wiser course of action is to let the Senate actually be the Senate discuss debate. Even just when they did a little bit of debate on the Save Act, you saw Democrats say, oh, well, actually we don't oppose voter ID. That's not true, but they said it publicly. Well, if you can take that little morsel and say, okay, what if we just you know, take away everything else in the Save Act, but all we care about is voter ID, it shows that you have room to negotiate and. 00:50:38 Speaker 9: Be that deliberative body that it was. 00:50:41 Speaker 10: For hundreds of years before people started just taking all the debate out and putting it into back run, right. 00:50:46 Speaker 4: I genuinely wish we could get rid of, actually kind of get rid of c SPAN, because I think c SPAN messed up Congress, where every speech. If you've ever been inside the chambers, you know that the speeches they give are fake. They're delivered to nobody except if you you know, bord bystanders who are yawning. They're all just so they can be on c SPAN beyond the record for you know, whatever clip they want to get. So there's it's baffling. It's almost it's very alien to read about the US Congress one hundred and fifty years ago, where guys can become major American figures because they are, you know, giants of actual argument on the floor of the House, on the floor of the Senate. They get things through on the basis of that. And that's been totally wiped out in favor of just endless procedural nonsense. On the filibusters specifically, though I think I actually might disagree there on it being about minority rights. I think a good formulation from a friend of mine, Vince Colonad is actually I think you know him. He pointed out the filibuster it protects not the minority, It protects the majority from votes it secretly does not want to take. Because that is how we have all these Republicans who say, I'm super maga, I'm super gung ho on the border. But you know, so it can't pass this, you need sixty votes. And same thing when the Democrats have power. Oh yeah, we know, we'd love to do all that, you know, crazy socialism, abolish the police stuff. But you know, sixty votes, guys, tough breaks. And I feel like that is how it has broken out, and we have this fake Senate, a fake Senate that number passes anything. 00:52:18 Speaker 1: I think that's totally true. I think that's less a function of the filibuster than the modern running of the Senate. I personally think Harry Reid and Mitch McConnell together destroy the US Senate. Rather than allowing debate to flower and to be unpredictable, they would go in, they'd put a bill on the floor. They would do what's called fill the tree, so they make it impossible for anyone to offer amendments in a file culture and then you just vote on that and that was the end of it. If you could convince me that if we've abolished the filibuster tomorrow, that we had fifty one votes to do truly transformational things to restore the country, I think I would be all for it. The reality is that if we were to abolish the filibuster today, they would have fifty one vote to reopen DHS, and that is it. That is the only thing. 00:53:04 Speaker 4: That we could get. 00:53:06 Speaker 3: You don't think we get Save America Act passed. You don't think we could get you know, end invasion level migration. You don't think. 00:53:13 Speaker 1: I do know, And I actually think that's why Thune and leadership were so against the talking filibuster. They came up with procedural reasons why they said it couldn't work, which were all fake. The reality is they didn't have fifty votes to do what they wanted to push it through. 00:53:29 Speaker 3: That's depressing. That means we need way better. 00:53:31 Speaker 1: Republican Absolutely, Yep, Primaries are where the battle is for Republicans. 00:53:35 Speaker 10: To your point, though, rather than you know, black pilling over this, it is true that by and large, every two years you get a slightly better class of Republican senators. You compare you know who've come in more recently with people who came. 00:53:47 Speaker 3: In Schmidt Cyberville leadership coming in there. Holly's been kind of interesting, actually, he's been more and more kind of a X factor. Hi, folks, Andrew Colvett here, I'd like to tell you about my friends over at y Refi. You've probably been hearing me talk about y Refi for some time now. We are all in with these guys. If you or someone you know is struggling with private student loan debt, take my advice and give them a call. Maybe you're behind on your payments, maybe you're even in default. You don't have to live in this nightmare anymore. 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Blake is definitely more engaged with the musical choices. 00:55:16 Speaker 4: I'm just like, sometimes we'll get a new one I haven't heard before, and I'll just have to ask what it is, because I don't know all of my nineties alt rock that they throw at us. I had some bowling for soup songs. 00:55:24 Speaker 3: So I went to this show in Scottsdale a couple of weeks back and actually saw the Gin Blossoms, and I was like, I was like, God, I saw the Jim Blossoms, and like, I was too young when they were like big, but they're you know, you keep hearing their songs for years afterwards, and so they're I mean, I know the words, you know, And everybody in the studio is like, who's the gym blossom Goldie. I never heard of any of these Jim Blossoms. Are legit. It's the pride of Tempe. Like, that's why I thought everyone would know about. 00:55:52 Speaker 1: We've got hey jealousy, follow you down, dude, Gin Blossoms have never heard amazing. 00:55:57 Speaker 3: By the way, the guy, you know, he's you know, I think he's like an old ex or you know or whatever. And his voice sounds perfect, so it just sounds exact same. 00:56:05 Speaker 1: We need to bring back nineties guitar rock. 00:56:08 Speaker 3: I totally agree, but we're a dying breed. 00:56:10 Speaker 11: I know. 00:56:10 Speaker 3: It's really sad. 00:56:12 Speaker 1: Link doesn't even understand what we're talking. 00:56:13 Speaker 4: Music died when Nevermind came out. 00:56:17 Speaker 10: Okay, speaking of big, big views like that, Sean showed me this really interesting YouTube on how everybody came to hate Nickelback and how how like unnatural. 00:56:29 Speaker 1: That I am one hundred percent pro Nickelback, loves Nickelback. 00:56:33 Speaker 3: They got I am not their Canadian. 00:56:37 Speaker 10: It kind of went through how it started as a like literally a joke on Comedy Central that got pulled and played over and over again, and also how critics never liked them because they were so focused on commercial success and so but they kept on selling like just gangbusters. 00:56:54 Speaker 9: They were gangbusters, and the more. 00:56:56 Speaker 10: Successful they were the worse their critical reviews were. 00:56:59 Speaker 9: And then it became like a joke. 00:57:01 Speaker 10: And then it became this joke that you like had to believe in, and it was just like this fascinating you were. 00:57:07 Speaker 1: To not liking. 00:57:09 Speaker 4: I'm sure I organically do not like Nickelback. 00:57:12 Speaker 9: Yeah, I also am not. 00:57:15 Speaker 4: I still like how No. 00:57:16 Speaker 1: One point eight billion streams on Spotify. 00:57:20 Speaker 9: And I know that the people are never wrong. 00:57:23 Speaker 3: Yeah. I knew he'd have it on call because he's like Caboos is like the biggest Nickelback stand there is, and I'm always like Nickelback, like why is that? Because you know, and Poso loves Creed and so there's been a lot of Creed talk and I kind of lumped them together in the same thing. But Creed was obviously at the faith angle that was Yeah, it was much more pronounced, if you will. I mean, music is an interesting question. I mean we had the we had the All American halftime show, which did like between fifty and sixty million viewers. We actually hired an independent media analysts and analysts to break down the numbers and give us like a Nielsen equivalent, and it was the if you add up all the streams together. It was the number one live stream event in basically online history. 00:58:07 Speaker 1: But we all did that like two months prep. 00:58:09 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean honestly, we put in like most of the work in the last two weeks. But it was you know, and if you we can't claim that it was the number one because we didn't put everything into one account. So turning points YouTube account though, was the second largest in world history and the number one in US history. Not bad, right, It's amazing. 00:58:28 Speaker 10: And it also shows that the worst that the NFL is doing with its halftime show, the more opportunity there is there. 00:58:35 Speaker 3: I'm curious to see if they're gonna pivot, you know, and try and do something a little bit more uniting. Here's the problem is that they've got a super Bowl in Nashville in like what two years, three years, So I don't think they're gonna go country next year because they're they're sort of holding that back for whatever. I think it's twenty twenty, just do it. 00:58:52 Speaker 4: They should just do a Metallica halftime show. 00:58:54 Speaker 3: That would be small in San Francisco. It was like, you have the perfect act right there, Like that's the move. 00:59:03 Speaker 10: You do have a problem with not enough monoculture of people being able to all know the same band, Like it's true that this guy who did the super Bowl is very popular in a certain niche, but not with the rest. 00:59:14 Speaker 4: Of Okay, okay, total What if they did a k Pop super Bowl halftime show BTS halftime. 00:59:20 Speaker 1: Your worst idea ever? 00:59:22 Speaker 3: Think that would be less controversial than bad, but the music video would kill I just. 00:59:30 Speaker 9: Want to say. 00:59:30 Speaker 10: I was listening to the Dana Carvey, Who's that guy David Spade podcast and they were actually talking about the TPUSA halftime show. One of the things they mentioned was that yeah, oh, I love it, and they were mentioning though that the first people to have done an alternate halftime was it was in Living Colors, yes, and how successful that had been, and also. 00:59:54 Speaker 4: Why we got the halftime show, like they kind of did more lame halftime shows, and then because that no one's going to counterprogram the super Bowl, and then the other networks like script We're going to counter program the super Bowl. And then the next year they rolled out Michael Jackson. 01:00:07 Speaker 3: By the way, it was so hard to do you and not believe how many people were like, oh man, let's do this, can't wait and then their manager their agent would call and be like, you can't do that. But yeah, music is powerful, but like, let's talk about, you know, culture in general. It feels like we had this moment in twenty twenty four where we were culturally ascendant, right you saw the New Yorker magazine with all the young kids at the inauguration. It was this dawn of a new era. Really hasn't materialized. I think losing Charlie was a big blow to that. But I also think just some of this, the Epstein stuff and the Iran stuff, I feel like, you know, we've got seapac going on by the way in Texas. So the conservative movement is coalescing at least in some shape or form in that sense. But what do you guys make of this? Like, what did we lose the plot? What is it? Policy? Is it just this is a hard country to govern and this was inevitable? What do you guys make of that? 01:01:02 Speaker 1: I think a big part of the energy coming out of twenty twenty four was the outsider energy, when you're on the outside looking in, which Trump was. They tried to kill him, they tried to imprison him, they tried to bankrupt him, and then he's a scendant and comes back America loves an underdog. That's a great story. Like the vibe in the energy was awesome, but then when you get into power, that all changes. You don't have that outsider energy anymore. I feel like that's the real struggle now is now you're in there and you actually have to do stuff in what's actually being done. It's a lot harder. But yeah, there's been a definite vibe switch. 01:01:40 Speaker 10: And speaking of difficulties building coalitions, that's a very difficult thing to. 01:01:45 Speaker 9: Do and to maintain. 01:01:47 Speaker 7: You know. 01:01:48 Speaker 10: Just being here in this studio reminds me that after Charlie was assassinated, people tried to say, oh, well, this is a big free speech martyr. Well, he was a free speech. 01:01:59 Speaker 9: Martyr, but he is so so much more than that. 01:02:02 Speaker 10: It was not just about advocating for free speech, but the content of what he was talking about was much more important. But also just his role within the movement was as this statesman who was able to interact with all these different groups of people with sometimes competing interests and keep everybody from going crazy. And you don't really have a lot of figures who can serve that function, and also just politically speaking, Donald Trump has historically been really good at managing his coalition, and I think less good in recent months than he has been. 01:02:37 Speaker 4: All this is inevitable. Some of this is inevitable. I think I've pointed this out. There's a lot of stuff about President Trump that is I think for a lot of people, it's very endearing and funny when he's this Canada, you know, he's always saying funny stuff. He says something that sends the media into an absolute frenzy and all of that, and it's very entertaining. While he's running, he's always doing unpredictable stuff, and I do think for a chunk of the population it just becomes less amusing when he's the president of the United States, like he can post on truth whatever he wants when he's running. 01:03:11 Speaker 9: I don't think he's done so much less of that this term than I. 01:03:13 Speaker 4: Think it's less prominent because he's not he's you know, he's on truth social instead of on X. But I do think that stands out, and I just think there's gonna be a core of people where, you know, he says something about Rob Reiner on truth, it goes really viral that he said that, and a lot of people, even if they like his policies, they just they don't like that. I'm not in ubers as much as I was when I was in d C, but I do remember taking ubers in DC and a super common take. I would run into from these guys who are immigrant cab drivers and they would say, Oh, I love Donald Trump's policies, but I do not wish you would tweet so much. 01:03:47 Speaker 3: Well, hopefully they're not voting and if they have an accent like that. 01:03:50 Speaker 1: Anyways, I did love the moment where I felt like the energy was coming back was the Pearl Harbor comment, and that was great. That's the Trump point. I want to see more of it. 01:04:01 Speaker 3: Well, you know what's crazy is we had, you know, and I talk with Rich Barris, who's pulling a lot, and he's kind of like black pill bearis right now, And you know, I asked him after the State of Union, you know, do you think he's going to get a bump from that? Like that felt really good. He was like, yeah, he's gonna get a serious bump from that. And Rich was sounding a really positive note. And then like a week later, Iran happens, right, And I instantly knew that that was going to be wildly unpopular with young people. There's no doubt about it. I know, like some of us that have been pushing this anti interventionist foreign policy for years. And by the way, Trump helped usher that in when he called you know, Iraq a dumb war, right. I mean, he is the sort of originator of this energy, and it was extremely popular, especially with young people, and that was always Charlie's focus is my focus is I'm just I'm going like, Okay, this might be the natural security right play, but it's gonna be politically very very dubious. 01:05:00 Speaker 4: As a side note, I'm surprised President Trump's shaken up so many other traditions and politics. If you get a bump from the State of the Union, I'm surprised Trump has never made the call I'm going to do the State of the Union the last week of October. 01:05:11 Speaker 3: That's interesting. 01:05:12 Speaker 4: He doesn't say when you have to do it to be here. 01:05:15 Speaker 10: There was polling yesterday from Fox News showing pretty bad numbers for Trump a hispanics in terms of his approval ratings. And there's just a lot of polling showing uh, just general. 01:05:27 Speaker 9: Lack of support for this war. 01:05:30 Speaker 10: But you think about all the polling that we heard about for the last couple of weeks, what was it, one hundred percent of Trump supporter support Trump kind. 01:05:37 Speaker 1: Of a weird and that was like, it's tautological, but yeah, but. 01:05:41 Speaker 3: Like if MAGA is shrinking, then one hundred percent of a smaller place. 01:05:44 Speaker 9: And they were saying that. 01:05:45 Speaker 10: They were saying, though, MAGA is not shrinking, and it's one hundred percent support. When you ever, whenever you hear one hundred percent number, you should be suspicious, right, Like it doesn't sound real. 01:05:56 Speaker 4: I would say, well, I think, well, I think that's what it is. I just think there is a hard call of Trump's supporters where I mean President Trump himself has said I am MAGA. MAGA is me, Like, there's just a group of people who are who have decided I will support President Trump kind of no matter what he does. I think he's won me over. 01:06:13 Speaker 10: But if that number is thirty five percent or whatever it was from the Fox poll, how are you gonna win elections? 01:06:19 Speaker 4: That's the thing. 01:06:20 Speaker 10: And so that's what I wish more people were thinking about in DC. Obviously, in DC, the main push is make sure Donald Trump does not pull out of this war. Make sure he stays in. You see this in the Wall Street Journal. Editorials are like, you would be the biggest loser in history if you didn't commit to ground in base. 01:06:35 Speaker 4: I think Wall Street Journal how to take that. If we don't commit ground troops, the United States will collapse. Okay, it's investing a lot. 01:06:41 Speaker 3: Of important on this with the Wall Street Journal. You guys probably know more about that than I do. But the neocon element, I've heard it described. I think was Kurt Mills or something said that this is like the Empire strikes back of the neocons. And I mean, I'm curious about your take. So okay, let's say you've got the eighty second Airbone Born getting in position, and you've got marines, you've got some other paratroopers. All the pieces are in place for some sort of potential ground strike. In President Trump in recent memory, when he builds up a force, he uses it. Okay, so let's say this happens. What is the political implication of that? And does it depend on the outcome? I guess it necessarily does. 01:07:22 Speaker 1: I mean, eventually it depends on the outcome. But how far away is the outcome? And wars have this tricky thing, and it feels a little bit like people got a false sense of confidence from this Venezuela. It was super easy. We went and kidnapped Nick Cage or kidnapped Mordureau like for Nick Cage in a constitution which was like objectively rare and amazing. 01:07:46 Speaker 4: President Trump clearly he likes to be able to do stuff quickly, instantaneously. That has a lot of appeal to him, I think, I mean, even on domestic policy, he wants to issue executive orders. One reason I think he loves teris he does innately like tariffs, but he also loves that he can impose them by executive fiat a lot of the time. And whenever he's trying to demand the Save Act, it's okay. Suddenly it's mired in the Senate as a filibuster and they don't want to and they're moving slow, and it's a bummer. I think he likes with foreign policy that he does have this huge range of action. I think people who frankly have always been in the pro war caucus, they won him over with oh, this four to oh thing, big instant success, This Venezuela thing, big instant success. I think it's pretty clear they sold him a narrative that Iran would be similar. I think they I think they pretty clearly expected that they would blow up the Ayatola and they would instantly either surrender or collapse. And that didn't happen. And now I am a little concerned that now they're selling him it's gonna be easy. You just you send in these marines, you take this island. Then then they'll have to surrender. And if that doesn't happen, what are they going to tell him then? 01:08:53 Speaker 1: And that's the nature of war, and it's why you're should always be super hesitant. The enemy always gets a vote. You may decide and it starts, but they generally decide when it ends. And they right now, they don't seem like they're in a hurry to end it right now. So are we going to be talking about this in July or October or next year? 01:09:10 Speaker 4: And I just read a book about World War two in the Pacific from the Japanese perspective, And so they have a Japanese ambassador in the United States who I believe was not told they were going to do Pearl Harvard. They didn't inform them of this war breaks out. He's in turn for a few months, like six months later, they trade him and he goes back to Japan and he meets the government and they're like, we wish you to, like, you know, make an initiative to like negotiate a peace deal with the United States as quickly as possible, and he just looks at them. He's like, I don't think you guys quite understand what you have done, Like I don't think they're going to make peace with you guys. 01:09:41 Speaker 9: And he is correct exactly. 01:09:43 Speaker 10: War has a way of having it is objectives outside of what your own are. 01:09:47 Speaker 4: It's easier to start a war than to end it because the enemy gets a vote. 01:09:50 Speaker 10: I will say I saw again Wall Street Journal story saying that Trump is privately telling anybody who will listen that he does not want this to drag on, that he wants to be out very soon. I renework had the you know point that, well, that's also what he's saying publicly, and he has said publicly over and over and over again. He's thinking more four to six week timeline. And so that is why you're seeing the pressure now being to elongate this war and have it continue. The gas prices alone are politically catastrophic. 01:10:20 Speaker 3: Inflation is going to be. 01:10:23 Speaker 10: But I do think that, and I'm saying this is, you know, totally outside of my own views. Communicating more what you want to achieve might be helpful for political outcomes, doing doing more of a you know, bringing people along with your goals. 01:10:38 Speaker 3: I wasn't expecting this, I have to say, but death of recess it stopped me in my tracks. This isn't about dodgeballs and jungle gyms. It's about control. The modern American classroom didn't just happen. It was intentionally designed. It was standardized and centralized. And once you see who built it and who protects it, everything clicks. Billions of dollars are flowing through education bureaucracies every year, test scores collapse, and somehow the answer is always more money and less parental authority. The documentary breaks down how organizations like the NEA amassed enormous influence, how radical gender ideology entered classrooms, and why something as basic as recess movement, freedom childhood, you know, had to go. That's not random, that's systemic. Institutions protect themselves. They do not protect your kids. And that's why this documentary exists on Angel Studio streaming platform Angel Guild. Angel Guild is willing to distribute films that challenge powerful systems when legacy media won't touch them. So right now, go to angel dot com slash Charlie and watch Death of Recess right now. If you're a parent or plan to be, you need to see this. That's Angel dot com slash Charlie and watch Death of Recess. By the way, yeah, we got some b roll of the All American halftime Show. You know, people, people love this show first of all, I will tell you, and then the like haters online would be like, you know, and I was like, no, we did a pretty darn good job there it is. And kid Rock Bless him, man, I mean he had he was the one guy that had the guts to stand with us and like anchor that thing and it was so God bless him. I genuine I was never like a huge Kid Rock guy, and after this, I'm like, the man can do no wrong. God bless him. 01:12:24 Speaker 10: I was on a plane or something during the Super Bowl and I'm not really a big NFL watcher. 01:12:29 Speaker 4: Have you ever played the game to intentionally not know what the score is. 01:12:33 Speaker 9: No, I love I love it. 01:12:36 Speaker 10: But I was talking to my sister, my nieces and nephews, and everybody loved the show and it was they were really happy that there was an alternative that they could enjoy good. 01:12:48 Speaker 3: And by the way, when it was like a thirty minutes out and there was already a million people in the stream waiting for it, I was like, this is something's happening. Something's like really happening. All right. So I have two questions for you. The first is, Joe Kent, I want to like help me understand. What do you think the importance of this? How damaging was this to President Trump? To the war effort? Or is it you know, kind of what you learned about Joe Ken as you're thinking on it changed. Yeah. 01:13:14 Speaker 1: I think it'll end up being a blip in the whole scheme of things. Washington has a way of making you believe that whatever is happening right now is the most important thing ever. I mean, it wasn't unimportant, but I think, you know, a month or two from now, it'll be forgotten. Mollie and I were talking on the way to the studio this morning about how there seems to have been a permanent change kind of in how the American mind processes events. I don't know whether it was COVID that did it, or the Russia hoax or the jfk assassination, where people just instinctively refuse to believe whatever it is they're told is the primary story. And a lot of times this can be directionally accurate. You can kind of smell a rat, you know that something's not right, and then you go to look for you know, what might have explained this behavior that has better facts. You know, did COVID come from a lab or not? We were told, oh no, no, it was natural, it was from wet markets, and everyone kind of knew, no, no, no, it came from a lab. So I think there's a healthy instinct that people have to question in the narrative, but there can be a point where that goes way too far. And I think what we're seeing now with just how easy it is to go and research stuff on the internet. There's podcasts everywhere. It's really easy to kind of choose your own adventure when it comes to a narrative, and that can, like I said, it can be a good instinct, but it can really go too far to where you just refuse to accept anything you ever hear. Ever, in which case you're really just crafting your own reality. It's not isolated to the left. It happens on the right as well, and I think overall it's kind of an unhealthy thing to do when we can never agree on the nature of reality or facts or anything. Ever, there's got to be a way back from that. 01:14:57 Speaker 10: And more specifically on the individual in question, I do think that Sean refers to staffer syndrome, where staffers think they're much more important than they are. If you believe you cannot support your principle and you feel that you should resign, I think you should resign. I think that's more honorable than staying in and undermining and sabotaging leaking. I don't like that behavior. You should do it quietly, you should not do it where you are the center of the story. And so I don't really like the way that all went down. Now, I will say I do think debate is good. Debate on this war is good, and nobody should be afraid of it. The strongest supporters of this war should understand that debating the objectives the means by which you're going to obtain those objectives is healthy and important. Wars are not done unilaterally. You have to have the support of the people who are putting their lives on the line, who are paying for it, and who might be forced to pay for it for you know, in the case of previous wars we've done sometimes that lasts for decades, and so there are there. I see, I didn't love like everything about the way this went down, and I think we should just encourage much better debate. 01:16:08 Speaker 3: So I find it interesting that, you know, we're plus six months from Charlie's assassination and it still feels like this is the churn that we're in, even in the midst of a war. It sort of the question is, you know, can we bring this back together in time for the midterms? Can we bring the coalition back a winning coalition so that we don't get completely she lacked? And if so, what needs to happen between now and. 01:16:37 Speaker 1: Then, Yeah, we absolutely can. I'm not a black pillar at all. Six months in politics is an eternity. We have extremely short memories as American voters. I would compare them to goldfish generally. I remember in ninety one George H. W. Bush had at one point in ninety one percent approval rating on the heels of desert storm ends up getting forty percent in the election over a year and a half. 01:17:01 Speaker 3: Well, that was ross Borrow had something to do with that too, But yes. 01:17:04 Speaker 1: So did raising taxes and violating that key pledge. You know, we go back to twenty twenty. I was at the State of the Union. Trump blew the roof off that building. I think it was better than the State of Union speech he gave this year. The economy was roaring and then bam, COVID hits everything falls apart. So six months as an eternity, what do we have to do to get where we need to be? I think Trump needs to have a laser focus on the domestic economy. He needs to understand that you have people who went to college and followed the rules who can't get jobs. You have a whole generation that thinks they're never going to get married, They're never going to own a home because you look at how much you have to have just to have a down payment, let alone the mortgage interest rate. And increasingly you have multiple generations of people who believe the American dream is a total fantasy and totally out of reach. If he has laser focused on that with solutions on how to deal with how can you afford a house? How do you get college affordable? Can we make groceries normal, gas affordable? I think that's most of his problems. 01:18:02 Speaker 10: And I would say, you know, this is Donald Trump is currently the president, but will not be with us forever. And it is shocking and appalling to me how little other Republicans have thought about being leaders in this moment. And the political party that does address some of these really deep questions about you know, what does it mean to be an American? What does it mean to have a flourishing life? Will benefit with voters now. I also think there's something incumbent upon the people themselves. 01:18:31 Speaker 9: One of the things I love. 01:18:32 Speaker 10: About, particularly Charlie's last few years was his emphasis less on politics and more on inculcating morals in the people, focusing on the importance of religion. And I think that even as you know, Sean and I are doing day to day news, you guys are doing. 01:18:47 Speaker 9: A daily radio show. 01:18:48 Speaker 10: Like we have to be focused on the day to day, but we also need to be focused on much bigger, long term issues about the trust we put in princes and whether we are a moral people capable of having this constantutioneutional government. And if I can just make a little pitch here, I have a book coming out next month on Justice Alito, who is I think our most important and least understood justice. And one of the things I try to point out in this book is how he balances pragmatism and principle. And too often on the right we have seen people really just go at one extreme or the other, and it doesn't work. 01:19:25 Speaker 9: If you do that, you. 01:19:27 Speaker 10: Can be you know, you can ride your principle and not care at all about whether you're helping the people that those principles are supposedly supposed to help. Or you can be so pragmatic that you become a utilitarian and think the ends justify the means. And so we as a people need to understand how to balance those things and also hold up those people less less influencers, more people who show moral courage, like I would say Justice Alito. 01:19:50 Speaker 3: And Charlie Kirk and Blake final I think you should take us home here that Mom Donnie versus Maga, that divide the future. 01:19:58 Speaker 4: I mean, you have to recognize, like people said, people still I think they get lost in the idea that we won this like huge permanent victory in twenty twenty four. They're not really accounting to reality, which is this can swerve back very violently. There's very radical people who would love to abolish a lot of core American freedoms, would love to bring a like Revive twenty twenty style social revolution. They already have ruined entire states. They would love to ruin the entire country. And that is what we are facing if we cannot adapt to the stresses that young people are facing, because they will vote to blow stuff up. Some of them will vote to blow stuff up just because it gives them a rush to do it. So you have to win over the people who are at least inclined to keep things together. 01:20:45 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think. And that was one of Charlie's final warnings to us. You know, there's race against the clock to train the next generation to value the same things that our founders gave us. Molly Hemingway, Sean Davis, you guys are amazing to be here. 01:21:04 Speaker 1: For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to Charliekirk dot com,