From the Archive: Charlie vs Students on the College Scam

00:00:03 Speaker 1: My name is Charlie kirk I run the largest pro American student organization in the country, fighting for the future of our republic. 00:00:11 Speaker 2: My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth. 00:00:14 Speaker 1: If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're going to end up miserable. But if the most important thing is doing good, you'll end up purposeful. College is a scam, everybody. You got to stop sending your kids to college. You should get married as young as possible and have as many kids as possible. 00:00:31 Speaker 2: Go start at turning point, you would say, college chapter. 00:00:33 Speaker 1: Go start aturning point, you say high school chapter. 00:00:35 Speaker 2: Go find out how your church can get involved. Sign up and become an activist. 00:00:39 Speaker 1: I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade, most important decision I ever made in my life, and I encourage you to do the same. 00:00:45 Speaker 2: Here I am Lord, Use me. 00:00:48 Speaker 1: Buckle up, everybody, Here we go. Noble Gold Investments is the official gold sponsor of the Charlie Kirkshaw, a company that specializes in gold eye rays and physical delivery of precious metals. Learn how you could protect your wealth with Noble Gold Investments at noblegold investments dot Com. That is Noblegoldinvestments dot Com. 00:01:17 Speaker 3: That's awesome. 00:01:18 Speaker 4: People with the share that says school college is a scam. 00:01:21 Speaker 3: It's a It's quite the statement. And could you elaborate a little bit more on that. Do you believe college is a scam? 00:01:28 Speaker 2: Yeah? 00:01:28 Speaker 1: Half this audience, if you guys get a job, will end up getting a job that doesn't require a college degree. 00:01:33 Speaker 2: Okay, the others then so we. 00:01:36 Speaker 1: Get a job that requires a college degree. So yeah, So any business that has a fifty percent rate of a customer being scamed will be shut down by the federal government for disenfranchising their customers. You went to Chili's like, hey, fifty percent chance that our fries are going to give you food poisoning. 00:01:51 Speaker 4: So if you look at college more than just getting a job, more as an educating the population, would you say that's a scam? 00:01:58 Speaker 1: What depends on what you think colleges and what it's become. Secondly, forty one percent of people that enter college don't graduate. The dropout rates insanely high, that's sure. Third, I mean, what exactly is being taught here? It's a great question. I mean, are you learning about the beauty of Western civilization and reading the federalist papers of Hamilton and Madison and Jay and do you get a positive view of America or do you spend time on postmodernism of Michelle Fucou and Jacques Derrida and Jean Staphonic and Derek Bell. 00:02:23 Speaker 3: I'd say more networking? 00:02:25 Speaker 2: Oh, networking? 00:02:26 Speaker 3: Yeah? 00:02:26 Speaker 2: Okay, So before we. 00:02:28 Speaker 4: Go dive deep into it, what's your definition of a scam where a. 00:02:33 Speaker 1: Serious proportion of your customers are not given the value proposition that they pay for education, right, which they're not getting. 00:02:39 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're saying, so therefore, well. 00:02:41 Speaker 1: That's the question. You come here to get educated. You guys are going from the wrong thing. This is just a glorified credentialing exercise. 00:02:46 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's what you're paying for. But therefore it's. 00:02:48 Speaker 1: Okay, So we're not not education. You're just paying for a piece of paper so you can get a. 00:02:51 Speaker 3: Job and education. I mean, oh, is it education? 00:02:54 Speaker 2: So are you? 00:02:55 Speaker 3: It is education? 00:02:56 Speaker 5: Education? 00:02:57 Speaker 2: What does that even? What does that mean to you? 00:03:01 Speaker 3: Resources? 00:03:02 Speaker 4: Learning, how to work, learning, how to move around a professional workforce? 00:03:12 Speaker 1: You need to go to college to learn that? Yes, yes, say, I think you're being scammed. 00:03:16 Speaker 6: Man. 00:03:17 Speaker 2: I take it from someone who didn't go to college. You don't need any of that stuff. 00:03:20 Speaker 3: Yeah you would, you would, You say a doctor would need a college degree. 00:03:22 Speaker 1: Of course, but that the vast majority of kids here aren't studied to go to become a doctor. 00:03:26 Speaker 3: How many engineers are in here? 00:03:28 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So how many people that are studying social or liberal sciences? Social sciences? Yeah, a fair amount. 00:03:34 Speaker 3: Okright, it's a personal choice there. 00:03:36 Speaker 1: The vast majority kids that go to college are social sciences, psychology, communications. About only eighteen to twenty percent are studying engineering. 00:03:43 Speaker 3: And you say they shouldn't go to college, Well, it. 00:03:45 Speaker 1: All depends again, it depends on what you're studying while you're there. But you don't this idea that engineering you need a four year degree. You could also just learn to code in six months and work for Salesforce and earn one hundred and eighty thousand dollars a year. 00:03:56 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. 00:03:57 Speaker 1: Yes, it is true they you have to go to college or learn to code. Okay, that's my point. I'm not saying it's easy, just needed to go to college. Secondly, what does a manager of a Walmart, a Walmart supercenter make a year? 00:04:09 Speaker 2: Anybody know? Four hundred thousand dollars a year. 00:04:12 Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't require Yeah, you guys should just go become a manager of a Walmart doesn't require a college degree. What does the average plumber make in Scottsdale, Arizona? One hundred and fifteen thousand dollars a year. What is the average HVAC technician make in Henderson, Nevada? Seventy five thousand dollars a year? But those don't require college degrees. There are eleven million job openings in this country right now that don't require college degrees. We are over supplying college. 00:04:36 Speaker 4: But yeah, you're here taking advantage of college and college students. 00:04:41 Speaker 2: Am I taking advantage? Is that what I'm doing? 00:04:43 Speaker 4: You're taking advantage of the space. I'm taking advantage of the students. Not in a way of like intellectually taking advantage. 00:04:50 Speaker 1: It's like it's like going to a place to tell people you're being scammed. If you call that taking advantage, and so be it. 00:04:56 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you're taking advantage as you're taking my time, you're taking everyone's and. 00:05:00 Speaker 6: You're you're you're volunteering your time to I did enforce you it, okay, sorry, Yeah, we're we're you're taking our time. 00:05:07 Speaker 3: We're enough. 00:05:08 Speaker 2: I do this also in other places than campuses too. 00:05:10 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:05:10 Speaker 4: No, but but then you're here, and then you're saying college is a scam. 00:05:13 Speaker 6: It is. 00:05:14 Speaker 3: Uh. 00:05:15 Speaker 1: You guys will end up getting a job where your entire college debt burden means nothing. You will get a job that does not require a college degree at all. Your four years wasted. You shouldn't have come here in the first place. 00:05:25 Speaker 3: Half, Oh, well, I disagree with you. All right, Well that's fair. I hope you. 00:05:29 Speaker 2: I hope it's worth one. 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Yeah. 00:07:01 Speaker 6: So essentially, what are your qualifications for arguing that college is a scam or really any having any economical knowledge at all when likely the vast majority of the students here no more than you about economics as a whole. 00:07:16 Speaker 2: Okay, so no, hold on, it's Okay, guys, it's okay. Who's Milton Friedman? 00:07:23 Speaker 6: Who's Milton Freeman? I have no idea, and that's not important to this conversation. Who is Ludwig von Misis? These are all probably economists and then the same, yeah, the same as John Maynard Kaine. That's okaya Oho Kaines is oh, obviously, yeah, it's the most famous economists of all time. 00:07:36 Speaker 2: You don't know Milton Friedman, I mean that's an economist. Okay, how about Murray Rothbard that's another economist at fe hayek, I don't know who that is. 00:07:45 Speaker 6: Well, then you just came here insulted my intelligence, for You're right, I barely made it through community college because I was too busy, I don't know, starting a national youth movement with hundreds of thousands of members. 00:07:54 Speaker 2: Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold hold. 00:07:56 Speaker 1: On employing hundreds of people, raising hundreds of millions of dollars, yes, having a top ten most popular podcast and reaching tens of millions of people online every day. 00:08:06 Speaker 6: Sure, hold on, But you're also all of your constituents idiots. I'm saying they participate in a scam. They're there, right there. I'm calling the institution a scam. 00:08:15 Speaker 1: So then I've just said ten people come up and we had warm conversations. 00:08:21 Speaker 2: So you asked, what are my qualifications? 00:08:23 Speaker 1: I'm a job creator, entrepreneur, autod deck Do you know what that word means? Yeah, self taught. You know, you should probably learn that word if you're assault other people's intelligence. So autodidacticism is what Leader not of da Vinci was. You don't have to go to college to be wise. You don't have to go to college to be intelligent. I read one hundred books a year. I visit over one hundred and fifty colleges. 00:08:44 Speaker 6: Saying intelligent, I'm just saying you last qualifications? 00:08:48 Speaker 2: Well, are you a New York Times bestseller? 00:08:50 Speaker 3: Of course not. I'm a college got it. 00:08:51 Speaker 1: So I'm just trying, what are my qualifications? I have published books, read lots of books, dialogue a lot of people. And instead of asking what my qualifications are, can you hold on name one thing I'm wrong about you? 00:09:03 Speaker 6: Literally just you just now incorrectly cited the difference between socialism and communism while you have yourself how so you claimed that Russia was socialist. Russia was a never socialist, was social So it was a communist nation. There is a significant difference. 00:09:18 Speaker 1: Way, why did Lenin say that socialism is the gateway to communism? And he was self described socialist Lenin in his private documents in the Russian Revolution and was overtaken by Stalin. Hold on a second, No, lenn died and then Stalin was his successor. So but Lenin himself said quote that socialism is the introductory phase to communism. 00:09:36 Speaker 2: Okay, So then the vast. 00:09:38 Speaker 6: Majority of people when they're referring to communist Russia are referring to Stalin's rule over Russia. That was a communist rule that turned into a fascist rule later on. 00:09:46 Speaker 2: Okay, so, but what what what thinker was deified in Soviet Russia? That thinker was deified? Yes, Marx? And what what what book did Marx? Right? 00:09:56 Speaker 6: Yes, you wrote Capital which and he also wrote the Communi Maestos is co author? 00:10:01 Speaker 3: Who is co author? 00:10:03 Speaker 2: Yeah? Angles good, I'm glad college is really paying off for you? 00:10:06 Speaker 6: Hey, so. 00:10:08 Speaker 1: So no, but it's okay, it's fine. He comes up here and insults my intelligence. What are your qualifications? Does he even know the co author of the Communist Manifesto? It does? 00:10:15 Speaker 6: But no, let me just again again, But does my lack of knowledge on that mean that I have no knowledge? 00:10:19 Speaker 3: Again? 00:10:19 Speaker 6: Is that? 00:10:20 Speaker 2: And insulted me? 00:10:21 Speaker 1: And you came up here guns a blazon man, and let me just ask again what did I say that was wrong? I said that under the generally agreed fond definition of communism and socialism, which are interchangeable terms, one is a more harsh degree of the other is that the elimination of the family, the elimination of private property, and the deprivation of basic human rights such as right to speech, right to assembly, and right to worship. How is that not a good definition of communist social explain them better well? But in the communist manifesto, Mark said, quote, we are here to destroy the nuclear family and eradicate the family because it was the original oppress of tyrannical structure. He said, religion is the opiate of the masses, and that private property must be eradicated. I have just now documented all three of those with evidence back to original source documents. And then in practice Russia did all those three things when they were the Soviet unions. 00:11:15 Speaker 6: But then at the same time, if you claim that those are all negative things, then why do you practice certain things in those in the. 00:11:21 Speaker 1: Doctors that you just stated. I'm not trying to take people's stuff away. I want people have bigger families, and i want churches to remain open. 00:11:31 Speaker 5: Here's what your financial advisor won't tell you. By the time the news tells you to buy gold, it's too late. 00:11:37 Speaker 3: You're waiting. I get it. 00:11:39 Speaker 5: Everybody's waiting, waiting to see if the ceasefire holds, waiting to see if the strait of horn Moose reopens, waiting to see what happens next. But gold isn't waiting for you. 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Noblegold Investments dot com slash kirk. 00:12:49 Speaker 6: Yeah, but the thing is no, But your main, your biggest thing, your biggest point that everyone here is for, is that your potential white supremacist. 00:12:58 Speaker 2: So what evidence do you have that I'm a racist? 00:13:02 Speaker 6: I was just literally watching a video of you talk about how it talking about whiteness as a whole, talking about whiteness as a concept, Okay, And you were trying to explain how white privilege. 00:13:11 Speaker 2: Doesn't exist, correct, it doesn't. You are a white man. How do you know? Because I have eyes, because you have eyes. That's not a discussion. So what can a black person do that I can't do in America? Or alack person do? What can I do a black person can't do it? Let's think of some history right here. Let's go to a history of red line. I don't need a history life. I don't have Listen, no, you're talking about wh need a history lineing. 00:13:32 Speaker 1: Clearly, I know you're talking points better than you do, and I've read all those the literature that you have probably forgotten the history effects the present day as well, And you know that's true. 00:13:41 Speaker 2: If you went to college, you would not well hold on a second. 00:13:42 Speaker 6: But let me let me see then why you weang the College of Scam shirt drop out? 00:13:46 Speaker 2: Well, well, because you could see it's. 00:13:48 Speaker 6: Because you don't believe your own beliefs. And that's what I will you could you can admit something's a scam and still get through it. That's why he's wearing it. 00:13:53 Speaker 1: Okay, you won't be then why you could feel like you're getting ripped off by an airline but I still want to get to. 00:13:57 Speaker 3: What we're talking about it anymore? 00:13:59 Speaker 1: You could still you could I'm getting ripped off about a thousand dollars ticket, but you still get on the airplane like it doesn't make you a hypocrite. 00:14:04 Speaker 2: It means that the people are ripping you off, and a lot of you are getting ripped off. 00:14:07 Speaker 1: But no, so as far as white privilege, just with without the history, lesson of you know, Jim Crow, segregation, imperialism, colonialism, slavery, all the stuff that I know that you're gonna say. But just inconcretely, in America today, what can a white person do that a black person can't do? 00:14:21 Speaker 6: Black applicants of jobs are fifty percent less likely to get jobs with they have a black sounding name. 00:14:26 Speaker 2: That's not even close to being true. That's not even close to being true. 00:14:29 Speaker 3: That is a literal. 00:14:30 Speaker 2: In fact, it's the opposite. I'm not gonna argue your experience. I'm not gonna know. 00:14:38 Speaker 5: No. 00:14:39 Speaker 1: See, now you have to listen to him under your rules, because a black person is gonna say you're wrong. 00:14:43 Speaker 6: I am. 00:14:44 Speaker 7: He can say I wrong. 00:14:45 Speaker 1: I know. 00:14:46 Speaker 2: Come on up to the mic. 00:14:47 Speaker 6: I know, I've read. 00:14:48 Speaker 3: I've read your intern My. 00:14:50 Speaker 7: Name is Keimon Dixon. I have a really black name. Please tell me how fifty percent of my internships have been denied when I've worked for Senator Mike Lee mayor Trid Sack for my shows. Hold on, I've worked for a Congressman Burgess Owens. I've actually worked on his campaign. I've worked on the campaigns of John Hutsman Jr. Please tell me how my black experience, and my black man has not given me go ahead. 00:15:11 Speaker 8: So you create a company that's like like close to being a fascist and then like, how. 00:15:20 Speaker 2: Am I talking? Let's go through this. How am I a fascist? Dude? 00:15:25 Speaker 1: Like you can you name one thing I believe that's fascist? You believe that like you are. But I'm such a bad fascist. I let the people would disagree and open mic to talk to me for two hours on an ruption. Okay, I'm an awful fascist. I'm more like a free speech liberal the nineteen seventies, not a fascist. 00:15:47 Speaker 8: But I just want to say Turning Point USA is an evil company that was funded by thousands of fracking companies. 00:15:56 Speaker 1: And that's just you know, it's not thousands, but we do have some frackers give us money. But yeah, and then we all All it is is making from rich. 00:16:05 Speaker 2: Fascism to fracking. 00:16:06 Speaker 3: That's all it is. 00:16:07 Speaker 2: That's all it is. 00:16:08 Speaker 1: Okay again, I'm happy to have a debate. I can see you're getting kind of fired up. I'm sorry, but why why are we evil? Like we're having a nice discussion. 00:16:16 Speaker 8: You're calling me because it seems like you just want the ridge get even more ridge, Like. 00:16:22 Speaker 6: We haven't talked about the rich at all. I mean, so do you you don't even know my positions on this stuff at all. The wealthiest people absent Elon Musk are all on the left. Jeff Bezos, George Soros, Mark Bennihoff, Mark on the Loreen Kyle Jobs on the left. Yes, can you name one tech ceo outside of Elon Musk that is a conservative? 00:16:43 Speaker 8: All right, but it's all i've heard sing Let me think Peter Thiel. 00:16:49 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one. That's one. 00:16:53 Speaker 1: Larry Page, Google on the left, worth one hundred and twenty billion dollars, Sergey Brinn Google hundred thirty billion dollars on the left, their jobs, Mackenzie, Bezos, Jeff Bezos. 00:17:02 Speaker 8: If they're on the left, what has they done that was like, quote unquote to do the left stuff? 00:17:08 Speaker 1: Well, okay, so Larry Page gives money to left wing NGOs all the time. Like, if you're on the left, I don't think you would ever be this rich. Well they are, you know why? Because because they're not, Because they're not. The left is a scam the left uses is this let me tell you why. It's a good question. Actually, the left uses people like you that think that, oh, we're going to fight the rich. Well, they protect their oligarchy while you guys have to keep on working hard and never own anything. 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That's say, so you do want to fight for the American middle class. 00:20:09 Speaker 3: And that's yes. 00:20:10 Speaker 8: How how how does free freer to market like helps with the middle Again, I want, I want precision and free markets, but I how does how does free market support the middle Again? 00:20:24 Speaker 1: I'm not puritanical, but I think that generally more choices are a good thing. I think that generally supporting entrepreneurs is positive. But I think that mass immigration is really bad for American work. 00:20:34 Speaker 8: There's no mass immigration. 00:20:36 Speaker 1: Well, first of all, how many people are wow, Like, well, you're right, there is mass invasion. But but how many people are coming across the southern border every day? 00:20:47 Speaker 3: I don't know? 00:20:48 Speaker 6: But like, no, it's not actually generally curious. Can you guess, okay, on what time frame every day? 00:20:55 Speaker 3: Every day? 00:20:58 Speaker 1: Five hundred Yeah, it's at a low point, it's at ten thousand right now, it is fifteen thousand last month. So what does that annualize. Let's play that out a lot. Yeah, that's a lot. Yeah, that's mass immigration. Right. 00:21:08 Speaker 2: How many green cards do we give out every year? Probably a lot? Yeah, a lot, about one point two million? Well, what's wrong with giving out green costs? 00:21:17 Speaker 1: Even? 00:21:17 Speaker 2: Wrong? 00:21:17 Speaker 1: No, you say there's no mass migration. So I'm just trying to tell you we do have mass migration. Right, we have three million on the southern border, and then we have a million green cards. Right, that's four million a year, right, which is effect basically bigger than most US states. Now, everything comes to the cost. When you have mass migration, you're gonna get lower wages. But that means you're gonna disenfranchise American workers. 00:21:38 Speaker 2: What are you studying? Computer science? 00:21:39 Speaker 3: Yeah? 00:21:39 Speaker 1: I am okay, so you're an American born. I'm guessing American race. I don't I don't want to. 00:21:44 Speaker 2: I live in but okay, I moved to the US. Okay, well you're an American now, I guess. I don't know. 00:21:48 Speaker 1: Maybe I am student visa. Okay, you're gonna now have to compete. You're kind of proving my point. But that's a separate issue. You're now gonna have to compete against foreign labor for your computer science jobs. I think we have a moral obligation to American born workers to give them preference and priority and restrict the labor supply so that our computer science majors can have higher wages, not to have suppressed wages, as some tech ceo can bring in a bunch of Indians and suppress their No nothing aainst Indians, but just you know, bring down their wages. 00:22:18 Speaker 8: Personally, I just think that, like if you came to America and then receive a green card, I think you get you get to work however you want. Okay, I think that American born citizens and there shouldn't be a priority because they're American citizens. 00:22:33 Speaker 2: That's what we're different. 00:22:34 Speaker 1: I actually think you must have a priority to your own citizens or else you don't have a government, you have something else. If you don't have a priority to your own people, I don't know what you have. You have a colony, not a country. You're just a big economy. And that's fine if that's your position. By the way, your position is held by the ruling elite. Where I think that we should have a country, not just a colony, where the American born citizens should be given preference over foreigners. Nothing against foreigners, I think they're nice people, but that the Americans should be given first preference. And by the way, any sane country believes that we're like the only country in the world that says and certain European countries, come on in and take whatever you want. 00:23:13 Speaker 5: For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to Charliekirk dot com.