From the Archive: Charlie at the University of Kentucky

00:00:03 Speaker 1: My name is Charlie kirk I run the largest pro American student organization in the country, fighting for the future of our republic. 00:00:11 Speaker 2: My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth. 00:00:14 Speaker 1: If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're going to end up miserable. 00:00:19 Speaker 2: But if the most. 00:00:20 Speaker 1: Important thing is doing good, you'll end up purposeful. College is a scam, everybody. You got to stop sending your kids to college. You should get married as young as possible and have as many kids as possible. Go start at turning point, you would say, college chapter. Go start atturning point you say high school chapter. Go find out how your church can get involved. Sign up and become an activist. I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade, most important decision I ever made in my life, and I encourage you to do the same. 00:00:45 Speaker 2: Here I am Lord, Use me. 00:00:48 Speaker 1: Buckle up, everybody, Here we go. Noble Gold Investments is the official gold sponsor of the Charlie Kirkshaw, a company that specializes in gold iras and physical delivery of precious metals. Learn how you could protect your wealth with Noble Gold Investments at noblegoldinvestments dot Com. That is Noblegoldinvestments dot com. Boy, this is the tallest stage I've ever spoke on in the history of stages. It's like a hazard if I fall off this. Hello everybody, great to be here. Thank you for taking time tonight. We're gonna have some fun, I hope. And I want to thank university for making this easy. I don't say that about every college I visit, and so this is great and I appreciate it. And I want to thank our amazing Turning Point USA leaders that help put this all together. They deserve a lot of credit, and they are doing what I believe is one of the most difficult things for a young person to do in America, which is to vocally state your beliefs against what is popular and what is considered to be the prevailing kind of wisdom of the age or lack of wisdom, quite honestly, and that's a big deal. As young conservatives, you're basically saying, I don't care if I'm gonna be smeared or slandered, if somebody's gonna call me names. I'm gonna stand for what it's true. And there's a price to that. And even here in you know, the mostly conservative South, I'm told that there's a fair amount of liberals actually in Lexington. Maybe not maybe, maybe that's not true. We'll find out, I guess later tonight. But certainly on college campuses, I bet that's true. 00:02:34 Speaker 2: But it's a big. 00:02:35 Speaker 1: Deal when I see young people that are saying, I know the price. I know the cost. And there's a great question that I always ask, you know liberals that come to these events, and it's just very simple, which is is it difficult to hold the beliefs. 00:02:52 Speaker 2: That you have? And the answer is no. 00:02:55 Speaker 1: I mean, if you are a BLM LGBTQ activist, that's not difficult. You're accepted by professors, you're accepted by the administration. You know what is difficult, it's difficult at times to be a turning point USA leader on campus. You're graded differently, you're looked at differently, you're even called names. And therefore the question then should be why do you think I keep on believing in conservative ideas even though it's very difficult. It doesn't make my life easier. Maybe it's because there might be something to our belief system that makes me want to actually fight for it that I believe it so much because of what is good, true and beautiful and because of the facts and the evidence and the reason and the history behind it. 00:03:39 Speaker 2: And so I'm super inspired by that. 00:03:41 Speaker 1: I was I was traveling here with a friend of mine, Tom Lewis, who's here somewhere, and I asked him the question when I ask most people before I speak, which is, Hey, what do you want me to talk about? And he said, Charlie, I think it would be helpful if you laid out the differences between the wokies and conservatives. The wokies is like a catch all term, right, Basically people who are let's say, as far away from enlightenment to believe that men can become pregnant. You know, that's kind of a catch all term. But I think there's really important because people say, Charlie, we are. 00:04:12 Speaker 2: So divided in America. I think that there's some truth to that. 00:04:15 Speaker 1: I think that some divisions are actually healthy to actually see where each side stands and be able to draw those lines and be able to say, you know, that actually isn't my viewpoint. But there are five things that I've come with tonight that I think are really important to show the difference between what I as a conservative or we as people that believe in the natural law, or people that believe in what would be considered classical conservatism versus kind of this new phenomenon of postmodernism, post structuralism. You call it leftism or liberalism. And the term woke, by the way, is a catch all term. You can like it, you cannot like it. It actually comes from a belief that you have now been able to wake up to all the systemic injustice and oppression around and now you are enlightened enough to be able to see that there's racism around everywhere, and that at that moment, you're woke. I honestly think it's somewhat helpful to now have a word other than liberal or left to describe the most insane things that are happening. I'll give you one example, and most people know this that the Toronto Raptors are a national basketball team, obviously, and they do this video for Women's Month or Woman's Week or whatever it is, right, and they're just kind of off the cuff social media video. You've seen those kind of promo videos, and they play them kind of during halftime or you know, during timeouts, and you know, they say, okay, why do you guys appreciate the women in your life or why should we appreciate women? And the players for the Raptors say, you know, oh, they're they're queens and they're amazing and they're the only ones that could procreate. Oh, I can't say that. The Toronto Raptors published that video and quickly were forced to take down that video and issue a multi paragraph apology, groveling that saying that this is not true. 00:06:02 Speaker 2: We're gonna be better. 00:06:04 Speaker 1: This is so we're really learning that the idea that only women can pro create. Could you imagine the locker room after that the Toronto Raptors, I mean, no better way to radicalize National Basketball Association players to being right wingers than being like, no, no, actually, you're too dumb to think that only women can become pregnant. And it's one thing to believe in it, insane thing, that's nothing new. What's different, though, is to force us to believe it and not be able to challenge it. 00:06:34 Speaker 2: And I'm not going to put up with that, and you should neither. 00:06:37 Speaker 1: When this is how you know these ideas are so poisonous and awful is that they couldn't let the video play and then why don't we hear from all the experts that could tell us that what the basketball player said was wrong where he literally just said they're the only ones that can pro create. God bless them to the mothers of the world. That's not true in the world of the woke, because they believe men can become pregnant and birthing people and all that different sort of things, right and so, and that was so offensive they had to then use force to take it down. And then, of course you must then apologize even though you're not sorry. That's what's so interesting is I think if you actually are sorry in life, you should apologize. 00:07:20 Speaker 3: If you're a parent, you don't need to be told that online safety is important. That's why TikTok has over fifty pre set safety and privacy settings, and beyond that, parents can set up family pairing to help shape their teens experience on the app. With family pairing, parents can get visibility into their teens followers and who they follow, help restrict content that's not right for them, and set screen time limits. Parents can also set restricted times so they're not on TikTok when they shouldn't be because feeling good about the time your teen spends online shouldn't come with guess work. In addition to the already built in safety and privacy protections, family pairing gives parents more tools to shape their teens online experience based on what's right for their family. Remember when safety comes first, discovery and creativity can follow. Learn more by going to TikTok dot com slash Guardian's guide. 00:08:13 Speaker 2: Here's a good rule for life. 00:08:14 Speaker 1: Never apologize for if you did not do something wrong and someone is demanding an apology from you, that's a hostage situation that is not necessary of an apology. That's I'm so I need you to justify my weird worldview, So please, you know, apologize. What did I do wrong? Well, you hurt my feelings? Well, okay, but I said that only women can be unpregnant. I have so many examples of this, by the way. For example, Hershey's Chocolate in the Just the Last couple of weeks, which is again, you know, not exactly I would consider to be a company at the top of the list of you know, political activism. But Hershey's comes out with a dude that is appropriating womanhood and is like dancing around and frolicking and says, you know what being a woman to me means this, it's a man. It's like a man with long hair telling us, and he's like, go buy Hershey's chocolate. And I have a deeper theory about this that I think is really important, which is the NBA example aside, but certainly with Hershey's, and definitely with the NFL, and definitely with some other companies. I think these companies use the woke stuff as a way to distract us from the bad stuff these companies are actually doing. For example, maybe it's not a good thing to give eight year olds chocolate and corn syrup, but Hershey doesn't want you talking about that because they're cool, because they have men frolicking around as women. I think the woke thing serves as almost a smoke screen and a veneer and a camouflage from us actually criticizing some of these companies and organizations from the legitimate damage they're doing to I don't know, contribute the childhood obesity. I mean, again Hershey's, I love chocolate. You probably love chocolate, But of all the things I would think that Hershey would be very worried about. I didn't think it would be their gender politics. I just don't think they would weigh in on that. But they do that because they think they can be immune to the pressure from the activist class if they put out those sort of weird infomercials. The NFL is the same thing, by the way, these nauseating end zones end racism, like all this stuff. The NFL just doesn't want to talk about concussions. And I love football, by the way, I love football, but the NFL has covered up concussions for the last twenty years and they act as if it's not a risk factor in a playing football. 00:10:22 Speaker 2: I think football is beautiful. I think we should continue it. 00:10:25 Speaker 1: I think we've got to figure out a way to try to limit concussions and actually have players not be penalized for actually sitting weeks out like Tua you know, was totally mistreated with the Miami Dolphins this last season. But the NFL doesn't want you talking about that, because the NFL instead would say, well, we're we're enlightened because you know, we we have the gay flag or whatever in our end zone, or we're gonna end racism. Okay, ending racism would is a very virtuous thing. Obviously, to try to do. Probably gonna take more than a decal on the back of a helmet. 00:10:51 Speaker 2: Just probably. 00:10:51 Speaker 1: How about we create good people and have kids that can read in our public schools in Baltimore. Like, maybe that's probably more important than ending racism. Just probably, right, Okay, So I have five differences, and you guys can disagree on this, but I actually think these even if you disagree with everything I stand for and everything that we believe at turning Point, USA, I think these five differences are actually these are facts of the distinctions between the divide the majority divide. Now there are nuances here. You might be a Libertyarrian, you might be a socialist, you might be you know. So these are general kind of categories of five things that I think that are differences between someone who thinks more on the conservative side or someone who had self identify on the American left. And the first of which is really important, which is do you believe that there is or an ability to believe in absolute truth? Do you believe that there is truth that might transcend your own opinions? And this is a very important thing. I'm a Christian, I wear it on my sleeve. I think the further, we've gotten away from our Christian roots. The more unhappy, less joyful, more miserable and violent our country has become. It's not a popular thing to say in America, but it's true, so you could take it for whatever it's worth. But in secular society and in the Bible, it says very famous verse and man did whatever is right in his own eyes right, basically saying, you want moral chaos, you have subjectivity. I'm gonna do whatever I want whenever I want to do it, because I'm the most important thing. That's a very modern way to view your existence, by the way, very modern. Instead, the more traditional way, which I think is more healthy and actually anchored in wisdom, is that, Okay, I do exist, but I'm made in the image of a creator that is much more powerful and is actually divine, and I am not. And I should first care about my obligations and my duty and my service more so than my own personal feelings. Are my own personal opinions, that's a lot more important than thinking are the most important thing in the world. In fact, I think it actually creates unhappier people. I get to that in a second. 00:12:55 Speaker 2: Is there truth? 00:12:55 Speaker 1: And I will hear all the time people will say, Charlie, there is no such thing as absolute truth. The only thing is your own personal perspective and or power dynamics. The problem not only is this a problem when you play it out in kind of just utilitarian ways, because eventually somebody's gonna be in charge. Okay, eventually somebody's truth is going to reign supreme. And history shows us that if you believe that there's no absolute truth, you're gonna get a Stalin who's willing to use brutal power to eventually get to the top of that hierarchy. And nobody wants to live in that country. Okay, I shouldn't say nobody. You shouldn't want to live in that country. 00:13:30 Speaker 2: Okay. 00:13:31 Speaker 1: The idea of having absolute truth is basic in speech. If you do not have agreed upon terms or vocabulary where we can have discussion, then what exactly are how we ever supposed to remedy our differences. 00:13:46 Speaker 2: This is why I am so. 00:13:49 Speaker 1: At times I get accused as being obtuse, which I consider to be a compliment. So firm about language precision when it comes to sex and gender, because if you all of a sudden are allowing words to mean whatever those words want them to mean. Then you no longer have the ability to be able to remedy your differences with somebody who disagree with You're talking on different planets, and boy, is that not the case in America today. 00:14:16 Speaker 3: Imagine being a young woman just finding out that you're pregnant, not knowing where to go or what to do, not even knowing exactly what is going on in your body, while the whole world tells her it's just a clump of cells. You and I we both know the truth. We know it is a baby. And once she has an ultrasound that you provide and she sees the truth of the baby growing inside of her, you help her choose life. When you join us in providing ultrasounds with preborn and she sees her baby and here's her baby's heartbeat, you will double the likelihood that she will choose life. 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Here, here's the windows, and this with that, they're docins at a museum. That's not an insurrection, that's a tour guide. And yet they keep on repeating this in the last couple of days insurrections. That's really bad because then it dilutes the term. I'll give you another example. Racism. Racism is real, it is it's evil because that means you are putting a label on somebody that they did not earn something. 00:16:42 Speaker 2: They cannot change something, no. 00:16:44 Speaker 1: Matter how hard they try, they can't break outside of that label. That is stereotyping somebody's actions and judging them and putting them in a box before they've ever ever done something to you. 00:16:53 Speaker 2: That is evil, it's wrong, it's terrible. 00:16:55 Speaker 1: But however, if you say racism in America, some people on the left will say, but black people can't be racist. This is a predominant prevailing viewer. They say, well, white people are racist no matter what, when basically, the classical definition of racism is one that we should not just accept, that should be predominant, which is any person of any race could be racist at any time. It's wrong and it's evil. And guess what, We're actually not that racist of a country. We're actually the least racist country ever to exist in the history of the world. We're actually rather decent to each other, considering we have every nation represented on the planet, every language spoken. We've let more people into our country than any other country ever to exist in the history of the world, and we largely get along. 00:17:36 Speaker 2: That's a big deal. 00:17:37 Speaker 1: In fact, we have a supply and demand problem with racism that if you are a famous soon to be failed actor in Chicago, you have to fake your own hate crime. There's so little racism that you got to go all of a sudden, put like a noose around your neck and act as if, oh my goodness, they're hunting me down on the streets and screaming this is maga country. That's how you know you don't live in a racist country. We have to fake your own hate crime, and by the way, you do it really sloppily, and you think people are gonna believe you. By the way, I'm from Chicago. I knew this whole thing was bs as soon as I heard negative thirty degrees. You go out to subway that's really weird at like two am, Like that whole thing is really strange. And then he says that the two people come up with Maga hats and proclaim this is Maga country, and then they throw the noose around him. And then when the police come back into his apartment, he's still wearing the news and the police officer, God bless him, he'said that one of the funniest lines in the history of police bodycam footage. First thing, first thing the police officer says, is why are you still wearing the news? It's like it's been in It's like been twenty minutes. Like I get it. It's like, don't you think you take it off? Like that's you're wearing it like it's it's a costume because it was a costume. Okay, So when words start to mean something that they don't actually mean, then you get into power dynamics and that's really bad. So but deeper than that, My challenge to you, even if you don't think there is absolute truth, I challenge you to at least entertain the idea that there is absolute truth, because otherwise you actually then self contradicting your own viewpoint. Which one of my favorite dialogues have ever had with a student is they say, Charlie, there is no such thing as absolute truth. I say, well, is that absolutely true? And immediately it collapses, right, because then you're using the paradigm that you're trying to criticize against the person that you're going. Okay, second thing is this, which is okay? It kind of ties into this. What matters more in trying to make difficult political decisions or difficult decisions reason or emotions? Okay, Reason should always matter more than your emotions. Your emotions are important. Your emotions, though, can deceive you because they fluctuate. They also are incredibly subjective. We need to go through a political process where reason is much more important than emotion, and emotion should not mean nothing. When you see five thousand people go across your southern border every single day, you should be angry about that. When you see children that are allowed to have drag queens performed in front of them, you should be angry about that. However, the way that we go about actually doing something should dictate and use reason because reason actually tempers that emotion and then you're able to build consensus based on that reason. You could, you can have agreed upon terms and agreed upon language. I'm afraid that our politics has become way too emotive and not very logical. And by the way, this is actually sometimes both sides are equal opportunity offenders of this, so there's not one side versus the other. 00:20:36 Speaker 2: I get upset on both sides about this. 00:20:38 Speaker 1: But largely in American life today, and especially I think in the in the viewpoint of what we call the wokies, it is hyper emotional and very little factual. So for example, you know when I will go on to college campus and they'll say, you know, Charlie, you cannot be a black person and walk down the street without the police coming and gunning you down. It's super frequent, it's super common. But then you use your reason, you say, well, how common is it how many unarmed black men are killed by the police every single year? And estimates they'll say thousand, two thousand, five, ten thousand, fifty thousand. It's eighteen And that's according to the Washington Post, not exactly a right wing outlet. 00:21:14 Speaker 2: Okay, eighteen is too much. You go look into that. It's actually less than that. 00:21:18 Speaker 1: It's more like ten or eleven because the way they determine it is actually really kind of sketchy. It's like some people were trying to run over the top of the car. They were reaching for some that could have been a weapon. Okay, let's say that it's fifteen out of millions of police interactions every single year and a very very difficult job that keeps us all safe. Are we really supposed to disassemble modern society because of fifteen examples that are very subject to error when emotions are heightened and you're in the heat of the moment. So that's using your reason against emotion to actually come to a conclusion. And the summer of twenty twenty Floyda Palooza, we decided to allow our emotion to literally burn down our civilization. We should never let that happen again, because the reason should have been, actually, we're not a racist country. There's no excuse for what happened in Minneapolis. 00:22:08 Speaker 2: That's bad. 00:22:09 Speaker 1: It's also extremely rare, and to connect that all of a sudden a sixteen nineteen project were systemically racist and all that this is not true. But if you don't believe in absolute truth, and that argument is not very convincing, is it. That goes back to the first point third one this victims and victors look. Part of the Marxist view is constantly looking at things through either race, gender, class right. So Marx originally was really big on class. Actually he said some things that were sort of true about that. We can talk about that later. Then gender came. They're totally done with that one, by the way, because they can't tell you what. 00:22:43 Speaker 2: A woman is. 00:22:44 Speaker 1: But the big one that they're really driving home is race, right, which is constantly trying to tell people that there is something that you have a disadvantage against you, that you have a barrier, that you have a limitation based on something you can't change. This is one of the most immoral and evil things that you can tell a young black person in America, or a young Hispanic person, or anyone an ethnic minority. 00:23:08 Speaker 2: If you're telling them. 00:23:09 Speaker 1: Out of the gate that there are these boogeyman barriers that might prevent them from flourishing and success and prosperity. By definition, that student will be less likely to take a risk, to engage in self discipline and to try to get to a higher place of flourishing. You're basically telling them the game is so rigged against you, the white man, the structural structure against you, that you shouldn't do that. Instead, it should be you know what, you might get jypped here and there by a jerk, but we actually largely live in a decent country, and you're going to find some decent people, and if you don't like that decent person, quit and find a decent person instead. Be gritty and be tough, and if you do that, you can succeed in this country. That's a much better message than telling everybody that they're a victim simply because of the color of their skin, and that is a massive divide as we see manifest in our country today. 00:24:01 Speaker 3: Charlie had an absolutely relentless passion for learning. I saw it up close and personal in every waking moment, every spare moment that he could. He had a book open, he had a podcast open, he had a Hillsdale Online course open. 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It's completely free. This is a real good one. By the way, logic and rhetoric, pick up the mic, carry it forward. Learn like Charlie. Start right now at Charlie for Hillsdale dot com. 00:25:26 Speaker 1: Okay, I could talk about that one forever, but I'm gonna go quick number four, which is probably one of my favorites, and it should be. Honestly, if I was king for a day, that would be really something. 00:25:36 Speaker 2: I gotta tell you. If I was king for a day, I would make it a nation. 00:25:41 Speaker 1: I would I would make it a requirement that every class in college or high school at least debates, thinks, and reads on the topic of whether or not man is basically good or basically evil. This is one of the most fundamental questions when you talk about politics and life forms almost every other question when it comes to politics. Now, spoiler alert, if you're a Christian, you cannot believe man is basically good. Okay, it's impossible, Just a little spoiler alert. It's incompatible. Most of the secular world, though, believes that man is born good and corrupted by the influences outside of him. So born perfect and corrupted by racism, corrupted by capitalism, corrupted by all the corporatism, all this stuff, and therefore we can't blame the human being who is flawed. We got to change all society and that will make the world better. I'm a parent of now a six month old. I think other parents would agree. If you want a masterclass in demonstrating human nature, have children, and you'll learn human nature very quickly. Like I never taught you that, But that's very bad. Stop doing that, Like where did you learn that? It's because their nature, I believe is naturally bad. Does that mean are all bad? No, there is a tension. You do have a conscience. In fact, in Genesis three, not to talk too much about the Bible because somebody might find it unpersuasive, even though it built the civilization you're in. 00:27:11 Speaker 2: But that's a separate issue. Cain. 00:27:14 Speaker 1: One of the most amazing dialogues is Cain talking to God, where God asks him what happened to your brother? And Cain did not immediately say, well, I murdered him? 00:27:24 Speaker 2: Of course. 00:27:26 Speaker 1: Instead, his answer, and I'm just paraphrasing from memory, it was actually somewhat defensive. Basically it was like, what am I my brother's keeper? And there's a lot of different ways to read that verse, but basically that's playing defense because I believe God did put an element of conscious in every single human being. 00:27:45 Speaker 2: However it wasn't enough. 00:27:46 Speaker 1: That's why you had of the no way, a covenant and eventually the Laws of Israel. And then obviously we believe as Christians, you know, Jesus Christ, God incarnate to lead us towards the absolute truth. But the point being is that I do believe there is some agency for a human being to be able to. 00:28:01 Speaker 2: Judge good and bad. But guess what. 00:28:03 Speaker 1: What we know through human history and just raising children is that usually your nature wins out against the dialogue in your head. So the question should be what do we do about it? Try to raise good people, pretty simple. Teach young people what is right or wrong, and punish them when they do wrong. Pretty simple. Well, it's actually not that simple, because civilizations have tried to figure it out for quite some time. In fact, America was figuring it out really well when we used to at a certain model of education we've gotten away from them. If people are naturally good, then you can excuse all the injustice in the world. If people are naturally not good, then the problem is very simple. Make them better understand their nature. You see, when a college student believes they're naturally good and they know they're not, it actually can be very tormenting to them. Instead, we should say, your nature is rather crummy, and if you work hard at it enough, you can actually become a pretty good person. Instead, if you tell a nineteen year old your nature is perfect, they become an activist because they think everything wrong about the world is outside of them. Instead, you should say, the biggest problem and the biggest challenge you have every single day is the person you see in the mirror. It's you versus you. It's not you versus climate change. It's not you versus systemic racism. It's not you versus transphobia. How about you make your bed, shave and stop smelling like a mess before you tell me that America is systemically racist. We used to tell our children in America. We used to tell our children, you got a lot of problems and America is great. Now we tell our children America has a lot of problems and you are great. And the result is the most miserable, suicidal, depressed, confused generation in American histay, because we've taught them that their past is crummy, no ability to improve their current life unless they tear everything down around them. That creates activists and arsonists, not good people. 00:30:12 Speaker 2: Okay. 00:30:12 Speaker 1: Finally, one that I could go on at some length here, which I think is really important, which is what is man's relationship with nature? And this is one that is going to just be the number one issue that I don't know tonight the questions that we'll get, but I get this question probably more than anything else. Charlie, what do you think about climate change and all this? And I'm happy to discuss all of it, But you cannot even begin to get into that debate until you could tell me, on moral terms, what you believe man versus nature and how they should coexist. I believe in a hierarchy of man of nature. I believe nature is there for us as human beings, to be able to use, to put human beings first. I do not believe we're here to worship nature. I do not believe we are here to get some sort of, let's say, religious. 00:30:59 Speaker 2: Kick out of nature. 00:31:00 Speaker 1: I think nature is made by God, who is outside of nature, for man, who is above nature, to be able to flourish. 00:31:07 Speaker 2: Why does that matter? 00:31:09 Speaker 1: Well, if you believe that nature and man are equals, or even worse, if you believe that nature is above man, well, then all of a sudden, you then have an argument to shut down industrial production to limit human population. 00:31:24 Speaker 2: You see, Earth worship. 00:31:25 Speaker 1: Is nothing new. It is coming back, though in great, in great detail. The question in front of us should be And this is what I always ask of the climate change people, is, would you believe the same policy prescriptions that you have to you know, some of them. There's some nuances here, right, but get rid of fossil fuels, you know, widespread electric vehicles, all this stuff. Would you still believe that if you believe that human beings actually have a hierarchy over nature? And you might say, well, that's insignificant because I want to save the environment to be able to save human beings. Okay, so that's actually a good argument if it was true, if you can buy, if you can get me to buy into quote unquote scientific consensus, after everything I've been told by the scientific elites over the last three years has been proven to be a synthetic, fabricated lie, whether it be the virus came from a bat in the Himalayan mountains and kicking me off Twitter for mentioning it, shutting down kids and putting on masks, of which epidemiologically was one of the worst stupidest things we could ever do to young teenagers. And then to force on an mRNA gene altering shot onto a younger generation and tell them if you don't get this, you don't go to college. 00:32:37 Speaker 2: You can't go to the military. 00:32:38 Speaker 1: You can't get a job, and then not even an apology from Fauci or ro Lenski or the people in charge. Yeah, excuse me while I say, yeah, you probably haven't earned my trust the last couple of years. In fact, you've earned my distrust. Like when you are really getting towards something, I think there actually might be. 00:32:53 Speaker 2: An alter three of motive behind you. 00:32:55 Speaker 1: So man's man's relationship with nature is very important. I believe you have to be able to express that on the moral terms. 00:33:06 Speaker 3: For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to Charliekirk dot com.