France Burns + The Climate of Fear

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And that was the big story throughout the weekend, as we're going to talk about. 00:01:44 Speaker 6: It's that France, a country with a lot of history, a country that's very beautiful, a country a lot of people have probably been to at least, well, I don't want to say probably, many people have been to at least once in their life, and they likely really enjoyed it while they were there. That country is becoming, along with Britain, just exhibit A to their exhibit B of what happens if you go too far down the leftward path. 00:02:08 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:02:08 Speaker 6: And what that means right now is it means gigantic riots, which there have been a lot of riots in France. 00:02:14 Speaker 5: But what happened this past weekend, Town. 00:02:17 Speaker 6: Hall in Limoges, a Bo Arts iconic building from about 150 years ago, extremely beautiful building. 00:02:23 Speaker 5: Just torched, destroyed by rioters. 00:02:26 Speaker 6: The Louvre right now, famous museum where the Mona Lisa is and about 10 million other famous paintings. It's closed right now because they have to worry about unrest in the city. And there's no signs that this is stopping. 00:02:39 Speaker 2: It's spreading. It's spreading to Lisbon and it's spread to Milan as well. 00:02:43 Speaker 6: Brussels, another very migrant heavy city. And it's a mixture of A lot of young migrant and migrant descended people rioting. You have the left defending it. I saw throughout the weekend, you saw all these takes from people who had the Hamas flag or the Gaza flag or that watermelon that they use as their logo because it has the color scheme. 00:03:03 Speaker 5: And they'll say things. This is one I just saw yesterday. Buildings can be rebuilt. 00:03:07 Speaker 6: Lives lost to cruelty and exploitation cannot. Don't want to lose beautiful historic architecture. Don't F with people's well-being. So making excuses for incredibly depraved behavior and saying, More of it will happen if you don't give us what we want. And that's the flip side of it. Why is that country in a gigantic mess? Well, they're broke, actually. In France, a retiree makes more money than a working person, and it's an aging country. And they're claiming, all these demonstrators are saying, we're rioting because our schools are underfunded. France has a higher percentage of spending coming from the government than the USSR in the year that it fell. 00:03:46 Speaker 7: Hmm. 00:03:47 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and that is a really big problem when you get those age trees that go up, right? And so you have very few young people supporting an aging gerontocracy, an aging retiree program that make a lot of money, that are guaranteed to have a lot of money. So it's a massive problem. They're not having new kids, so that's an issue. France, by the way, it's worth stating, typically had more children than some of the other Western European nations. It's still below replacement. But that is something that France has actually done better with than some of the other Western European nations. So this started, obviously, you've heard that this is supposed to be a student-led protest. They were originally, and this is kind of going by September, this was already starting. There was working class suburbs and poor school conditions that, you know, like teacher shortages, dilapidated buildings, these kind of things. And it started overlapping with a call to revive the Yellow Vest protest movement. Now, you might remember, yes, it is true, France tends to erupt in protest from time to time. It just seems to be about as sure as the sun coming up that France is going to have some protests and some rioting. But this has morphed into something way larger and way bigger and way more destructive than your average French protest. And all the pictures seem to indicate that there are a lot of migrant children or children migrants themselves, right? So they might be born in France, but they're still not exactly the image of a French student that you would have in your mind. They're burning, they're looting, and they're destroying beautiful French architecture. So it's a huge problem. And now it's morphed into this Antifa socialist communist. 00:05:32 Speaker 6: Energy, which is globbed onto this. This is Antifa Group Lyon. October 17th was a warning. That's the day that town hall burned down in Limoges. If you continue to develop a deadly capitalism and to fuel the rise of the far right, this day will repeat itself again and again. Calling for more order and authority is a grave mistake. 00:05:52 Speaker 3: Yes. 00:05:53 Speaker 2: So if you go online and you get deeper into the comments section, there's basically this debate about whether or not this is a communist revolution or whether this is a migrant invasion. And my answer to anybody asking that question is yes. Both are working in unison. Both are working together. And we know that Antifa groups, a lot of people don't know this, but Antifa has always been actually even worse in Europe. That's actually where a lot of this anti-fascist literature, ideology sprang up first. It was exported to the United States. Obviously, we have a problem here, but it's really bad in Europe, okay? And they tend to glob on to these migrant groups because remember, it's all intersectionality. It's like, who's the victim? Who is oppressed? We all come together. It doesn't matter if our ideology is at some level are contradictory to one another, we're going to use each other to usher in this radical, explosive, fiery change and revolution, okay? But we have to make it clear, there is a lot of Antifa, socialist, communist energy that is undergirding this. Check out this clip from Nick Shirley. He's on the ground in France. Pray for his safety. And he starts asking mass rioters if they're with Antifa. Here's their answer, Sat 9. Unarrested here in the streets. 00:07:15 Speaker 5: Street signs are getting taken down. And what organization are you part of? Are you part of Antifa? 00:07:22 Speaker 7: Yeah, Antifa. 00:07:23 Speaker 5: The streets of Paris are literally on fire. 00:07:26 Speaker 2: Police have moved in. Man, that's a lot. That's a lot going on, all right? So here's what's also, I think, fueling this, is that leadership in France, instead of cracking down on this... They're sounding very appeasing. Now, some arrests have been made, certainly, and they're doing some work to quell the uprising. But I think over 500 police and first responders have been injured in these protests. That's a lot, by the way, just while we're keeping track. 1,500 or so rioters have been arrested. There are over 500,000 of these people that have taken the streets, so a very small number. And listen to the tone of Emmanuel Macron today. as he's addressing this, okay? Stop four. 00:08:16 Speaker 8: The youth of our nation are expressing great anguish and concern about the future, the conditions of where their careers will take them, what role they will be able to play in society. They say that the future that they have is not one that we could desire. And I hear what they are saying. For the past 10 years, I've been fighting for them. So we need to pay heed to what they're saying. And we mustn't minimize the hardships that they are facing. 00:08:48 Speaker 5: It's very weak. 00:08:49 Speaker 6: This is always a bad sign. 00:08:51 Speaker 5: It was terrible when you saw it in 2020. When you concede, oh. 00:08:55 Speaker 6: This mob that has unlimited thirst for destruction, that loves to hurt innocent people, terrorize innocent people, try to impose its will, by violence on the vast majority of the public, when you concede, oh, well, they have valid grievances, you are losing the game. 00:09:09 Speaker 5: You have to send the message. 00:09:10 Speaker 2: He legitimized that. 00:09:11 Speaker 6: This is categorically unacceptable, and if you keep doing this, we will, well, let's be frank, we will shoot you eventually. 00:09:17 Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't think the French have that kind of gusto in them. You know what? 00:09:21 Speaker 6: That book everyone brings up, The Camp of the Saints, that's how it ends, is that they could stop it, and they just won't because it makes them feel too icky to use violence. 00:09:28 Speaker 3: Yep. 00:09:29 Speaker 5: So they lose their country. 00:09:30 Speaker 2: They're legitimizing the violence and destruction of... and it is a cautionary tale to the entirety of the West. This is what we are going to face, potentially even in America. They're talking about on November 20th, expanding what's happening in France to 12 other nations across the globe. You have networks that are praising this uprising and calling for it to spread. So is it going to spread here? I think that's a real question we should ask. But here's the cautionary tale for you. The left has embraced all of the underlying elements that have poured fuel on this fire and there is a woman that is going viral in france she is a store owner a shopkeeper and she tries to plead with the migrant and migrant youth that are inspired by this anti-fascist revolutionary energy to torch their city and loot buildings and stores. And she's pleading with them. She says, this isn't the cause. I support you. I've been voting for you. And they push her aside, tell her to shut up. And she's left gobsmacked, flabbergasted at the reality coming, crashing down around her. And she is becoming a meme, a symbolic totem for this entire movement. I guess, phenomenon. So let's play this. I haven't seen this clip. Hopefully it's descriptive. So that was in French, but we'd had subtitles and she's saying, stop. I'm with you. 00:11:15 Speaker 5: I'm with you. 00:11:16 Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. 00:11:17 Speaker 6: It's like the classic image from, was it Kenosha where it was the burning auto dealership or some sort of store and it had Black Lives Matter on the sign as the whole thing's on fire. 00:11:27 Speaker 5: And they're trying to run that con again, actually. 00:11:30 Speaker 6: So Jean-Luc Mélenchon, who's the, all pronunciations wrong or your money back, the far left candidate in French politics who's going to be running for president next year. 00:11:40 Speaker 5: And he's trying to run this op. 00:11:41 Speaker 6: He posted an image where it's, the non destructive riots that were happening across France in 20 cities where he goes crowds of people everywhere, calm and joyful everywhere. When the police aren't around images, you won't see in the official media. They are 100% trying to run in France. The mostly peaceful protests op. 00:12:00 Speaker 2: Which we have pre we have proof. Stop 14. This under underscores your point. Stop 14. 00:12:07 Speaker 9: In Paris and beyond, half a million people had filled cities across France to protest over the future of their country. They were mostly peaceful, but as we saw in the capital, in the wings were those who wanted to take advantage of the disorder. 00:12:24 Speaker 2: Mostly peaceful. 00:12:25 Speaker 6: And you just have to not give in to that lie, because even if it's mostly peaceful, the fact that you have that cutting edge of rioters who will burn, who will loot, who will hit you and will rob you and everything else, maybe kill you, that's what gives, it's intended to give menace to all the other peaceful protests. They are lying to your face, and any politician who indulges this mostly peaceful op, if they're doing anything other than demanding that anyone who violently protested be immediately arrested and thrown in prison themselves, that person is lying to you. They are allies of the rioters and trying to help those people get away with mayhem and. 00:13:05 Speaker 2: Destruction yeah well and it's interesting to me we had this other story that emerged this morning from elon musk he's going to be giving a share one of his shares of spacex to every kid in america and he says he's going to do this next year he's pledged it so 72 million kids in america that's about uh the shares are about 146 a share who knows what they'll be next year could be higher But that's around $ 10. 5 billion he's donating to the kids. And what strikes me is that in an era where you have these permission structures, when you have Macron pandering to the looters and to the rioters, and you have our elites funding the NGOs that create the intellectual and ideological subtext for these rioters to loot and pillage with impunity— And they are trying to deconstruct the system, right? They're looking for climate justice. You've got Bill Gates sending mosquito nets to Africa. And you have the Rockefeller Foundation working to increase farm yields in Africa. And you have Lorraine Powell Jobs working on LGBT rights issues and climate justice and racial justice. Here you have a man who gives directly, bypassing the NGOs, bypassing the consultant class and the grifter class, going straight to the American people, powered by Trump accounts, and giving it right to young people. And what does this do? And I want you to think about this in the context of what's happening in France. This gives young people a stake, a share of the American dream, skin in the game. They are now owners, not renters, not leasers. They will be owners of the American dream. You pair this with what Michael Dell has done, And this is the way that you inspire wealth creation. This is the way that you inspire people to not deconstruct the system that has blessed them. And they are too naive or ill-informed to understand their blessings. This is a way that you encourage them to love it and uphold it and to keep it and to preserve it. So God bless Elon Musk. This is true. And he says it's the first of many, by the way, Blake. But I remember Charlie was so excited about Trump accounts. He was so excited about the opportunities that this would give families to invest in their own children and grandchildren. You could win money at a spelling bee, and you could gamify it. But this gives people a share of the pie, and that is the way that you reduce radical politics. That is the way that you defame these anti-fascists, they're Antifa, these socialist communist energies across the West. So good on Elon Musk. What a tale of two stories on one day. 00:15:49 Speaker 5: I mean, it's the only. 00:15:50 Speaker 6: That is ultimately going to have to be the fix. 00:15:53 Speaker 4: It is. 00:15:55 Speaker 6: One of the great conservatizing phenomena you talked about is buying a home. And what that's about is it's not really that you feel successful. It's that you have your thing that you care about protecting. And most people fear loss a lot more than they desire gain. It's sort of one of our biases that we have in our head. And so a nation of small farmers, like America was in its early days, is innately a relatively conservative country because it's a bunch of people who know that it takes work to build things and things are easily lost, easily destroyed, and they care about protecting that little patrimony of theirs. So it's no surprise that when America was a nation with millions upon millions of small landholders, small businessmen, that we created a great constitutional system that has worked so well for so long. And in nations that don't have a lot of owners, you get This angry proletariat who are much more inclined to burn things down, destroy things, follow demagogues who say, I'll give you everything. 00:16:55 Speaker 5: You have nothing. 00:16:56 Speaker 2: But it's also great 3D chess from Elon Musk here. So Elon Musk, he understands that he is persona non grata. He is the main target when it comes to the anti-capitalist revolution sweeping across France and is trying to be exported across the West. Well, guess what? Now all the young kids are going to grow up being owners in SpaceX. they might care a little bit more about the fact that this billionaire, and maybe trillionaire, is giving money to them, giving them an ownership piece of one of the most innovative pioneering tech companies ever birthed onto the global scene. So it's really, really smart from him, actually, because it is a counter-narrative to the prevailing narrative that young people think that these fat cats don't care. We will always have elites. And as Charlie said, we just need better elites. And this is the way. He's showing the way. If you've ever skipped the doctor because you couldn't afford it, you need to hear this. Christian Healthcare Ministries is the Christian alternative to health insurance. In under 10 minutes, you can join and start saving hundreds of dollars every month. As a member, you have freedom to get the best care at an affordable price with programs starting at $ 115 a month. 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And then they loot it and they push her out of the way, tell her to shut up. I think this is a fantastic allegory for the entirety of what we're seeing in France. But there's so many angles here, Oren. What is your takeaway when you see what's happening in France? And do you think it's coming for us next? 00:19:38 Speaker 10: I think there is a lot to be learned from the French situation there. The first thing we should know is that France took up the idea of civic nationalism. They took this idea that anywhere and everywhere, France has ruled, where French ideals have spread, there the people are French. And so if you bring someone in and you incorporate them into your society, it'll be okay. They actually even banned public displays of religious imagery in the idea that they would turn the entire country into into some kind of secular utopian paradise where everyone could coexist. And instead, we see the consequences of this, that the idea that these people would ultimately assimilate, they would ultimately become French, they would adopt French values, they would blend into the country, that did not work. Even when they passed laws to try to ban things that would ultimately signify yourself as Muslim, as other, as different, that did not work. So when we talk about passing laws, about banning Sharia law or something in the United States, yeah, sure, do it. But ultimately, the problem is the people being there. The presence of the people themselves is causing this tension. And you can ban anything or everything you want. You can tell yourself that anyone can become French and that French values will ultimately paper over all differences. 00:20:49 Speaker 4: But that's just not true. And it's not going to be true in America either. 00:20:52 Speaker 2: Well, so this then becomes a question about... who should you incorporate? The West has a massive immigration problem, and we have a massive immigrant population. Countries like France spread their rule across the world, and now they're trying to incorporate all those people into their nation. The UK has a similar situation. So who ultimately should the West incorporate, or how should they incorporate them? Who should get franchised? These types of questions are things that we haven't asked In the West, really in a serious way, because we approached it with this tabula rasa, everybody's the same, everybody can be assimilated, but yet we've lost the will and the self-confidence in our own cultures to demand assimilation. So it just becomes this huge mess. And then the question is, can you undo it? I think of in the United States, everybody gets a vote. Doesn't matter if you're a welfare queen. Doesn't matter if you're a public charge. It doesn't matter if you just got here and were naturalized two days ago. We give you the franchise. And then these people get to determine the future of Western civilization. 00:21:55 Speaker 6: And it's pretty scary, as he said, that France went far more all-in on this idea of that, yeah, everyone can be French. 00:22:04 Speaker 5: Frenchness is just an idea. All of that. 00:22:07 Speaker 6: Much more, like, it's not, the government is not allowed to collect demographic data in France. So how white or black or Arab is France, we don't know according to official government data because they do not collect it. That's the sort of thing they have done in France because they hard committed to that idea. And what we see is that that is getting thrown back in their face by so many of these demonstrations. 00:22:29 Speaker 2: It is a bigger question, though, right, Oren? Who should be determining the future of your country? And the West, I have to say, has a massive structural problem when it comes to this. 00:22:41 Speaker 10: Yeah, obviously, as you and I were kind of discussing yesterday, democracy is a huge issue here. 00:22:47 Speaker 4: When you grant the idea that. 00:22:48 Speaker 10: The citizens or anyone who holds a paperwork that says they are a citizen, they have the right to vote. They have a right to determine the future of the country. Then you're opening yourself up to the dangers of demographic change. Most of the multicultural societies throughout history tended to be empires. They tended to be ones in which there was a strong authority in the center and they kind of negotiated the differences between all these different cultures and people. But when you're talking about democracy or much better, what we should actually be aiming for is a republic. Republics are built on the idea of a shared identity, a shared worldview, a shared way of life. That membership inside that society then grants you a say in what is happening there because you've sacrificed for it. 00:23:31 Speaker 4: You've served in the military. You own land. 00:23:33 Speaker 10: You've demonstrated your ability to manage a household. You are someone who has earned a right to have a say in your society. When you have foreigners coming in on a consistent basis who have not established this, who have no history with the society, who have not absorbed the values, do not have that long heritage and tradition tied to who they are, and they step in in large numbers, obviously they can quickly change where your society is going through the democratic mechanism, which, to be fair, is exactly what parties like the Democratic Party have explicitly said they want to do. They want to replace the people of the United States. The Great Replacement is not a conspiracy theory. It is the Democratic Party's policy. They want to replace the American people with foreigners who will be more likely to vote for them. And of course, if those foreigners come from even more dangerous places like the Middle East with Islam and other very foreign belief systems like Hinduism. then ultimately they irreparably change what's happening in your society. So the very first thing you have to do is you have to limit immigration radically. 00:24:33 Speaker 4: We have to see this stop. 00:24:34 Speaker 10: Now, to be fair to many European countries, I don't know about France, I'm not as familiar, but I know, for instance, in England, They have voted much like Americans for reduced immigration for decades. And the leaders have lied to me them every time they betrayed them every time they haven't had a Trump who's come in and kept good on the idea of closing the borders, shutting down immigration, working on every avenue of reducing those visas and everything else that are bringing large amounts of people in. They have not successfully been able to vote for a candidate who will keep those promises. And so they are extremely frustrated in this moment because, The UK, France, all of these countries desperately need real right wing candidates, candidates that are very serious about shutting down immigration and will keep their word no matter what. The fact that Marie Le Pen, who's supposed to be this crazy right wing candidate, is talking about how Islam does belong in France. 00:25:26 Speaker 4: It's not very heartening. 00:25:27 Speaker 2: Well, that is the silver lining here. But to your point, maybe it's not so silver is the right wing is surging in France and they were already ahead in the polls, which is. Interesting. So this writing is going to have political ramifications in the future. We'll see what it is. You brought up the fact that other nations don't have a Trump, right? For all of our frustrations, Oren, you and I share them when it comes to Iran, when it comes to some of the other decision making. President Trump is singular across the West in one way. Look at this. Under President Trump's leadership, he's used executive powers. So basically foregoing the legislature. He has accomplished the largest cut to legal immigration since the 1920s, since Calvin Coolidge. Muslim and African immigration is down 90%. Okay, let me repeat this because it's that big of a deal. The largest cut to legal migration into the United States, this is from the New York Times, since the 1920s. Muslim and African immigration is down 90%. That is a huge, huge accomplishment. So for me, You could be dooming about this, that, the other. You could be mad about Epstein. You could be mad about Iran. I certainly share some of those frustrations. But when it comes to overall, what is the accomplishment, the central accomplishment of the Trump administration is tackling the issue of migration. He is singular in this respect. Am I wrong? 00:26:55 Speaker 4: No, not at all. 00:26:56 Speaker 10: Look, I've said this several times and I'll say it again. I am legitimately furious about the Iran war. I think it was a Huge mistake that greatly derailed the administration and some of the promises that it was supposed to keep. But ultimately, Donald Trump has been, without a doubt, the best president of my lifetime, especially on the issue of immigration. We've heard for decades and decades from Republicans that we simply could not close the border. We heard from people like Dan Crenshaw that we had to pass a bunch of legislation and get so much more statutory help and everything else to make this happen. And the Trump administration basically hit a button and closed the whole thing down. I know it's more complicated than that. I'm giving them credit here. But ultimately, the point is that they were able to shut down this immigration in a way that no other president, no other Republican has ever done or would have ever done. And so even if I'm frustrated with something like the Iran war, I'm not going to go tell people, hey, go burn down your country because you're angry with Trump over the war. 00:27:56 Speaker 4: Sorry, like we are. 00:27:57 Speaker 10: In an existential moment when it comes to immigration, when we look at Countries like France, it's obvious what it will cost us if the borders open up. 00:28:04 Speaker 2: So, Oren, I do have a question because if you go online, there is a bit of a debate at a back and forth about whether this is a socialist communist revolution or this is an immigrant-fueled wave of resentment and frustration. 00:28:17 Speaker 5: Por que no los dos? 00:28:19 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Make the point and fuse those two together. 00:28:24 Speaker 4: Communism has almost always simply been an. 00:28:27 Speaker 10: Ideology that third-worlders use to loot people. the developed world. That's what it's actually about. They know that Marxism doesn't work. It's not like you can't look at the economy of the Soviet Union and figure out that it failed. But they don't care about the ideology and its success at the end of the day because it's a mechanism to redistribute money from the people who have it, the native people of the United States, to people who do not, foreigners coming in. So yes, there are some homegrown socialists who are using the Marxist rhetoric and they are teaming up with the immigrants to Go ahead and take your money so they can build a strong client base. 00:29:01 Speaker 4: That's true. But it doesn't have to be one or the other. It doesn't have to. 00:29:05 Speaker 10: Be just an ideological revolution or just a revolution about immigrants. These two groups can work together because ultimately what they want is to dismantle the United States as it exists now. 00:29:17 Speaker 2: I think that's well said. I don't think there's any debate. This is the thing is, you know, everybody's like, oh, it's not funded. Well, there is people that are getting funded. OK, there's NGOs and politicians and media apparatus that are giving a permission structure. And the other debate is, oh, it's not immigrants. It's anti-fascist. It's Antifa and it's like it's all of the above, folks. These are their compatriots, their comrades. in arms. They want to destroy Western civilization. Orin, we got to talk about this. Elise Slotkin, former CIA, now she's a senator from the state of Michigan. She was asked about prosecuting the Trump administration, and she had an answer that went viral, and I think you and I texted about it yesterday. Let's play the clip, and we'll get your response on the other side. Sat 16. 00:30:04 Speaker 5: So that's what I'm saying. 00:30:06 Speaker 11: I want to look at these signature cases and not just focus on the president, but on the people who enabled him. I want young people coming out of school to say, should I go work for the Trump administration? Like, that sounds fun. I might get an opportunity. I want them to be like, Lord, that might be buying myself a ton of problems that I don't want. And so let me avoid participating in that. I want that deterrence message. 00:30:32 Speaker 2: I have so many thoughts, Oren, but I'm going to give you the floor. I think this is a much more important clip than perhaps many in the audience realize at this point. Explain your take on it. 00:30:45 Speaker 10: Yeah, this is incredibly dangerous. Like, I can't even explain how dangerous a statement like this is. I have been warning for a while that this is where the Democratic Party was going, but. 00:30:55 Speaker 4: She announced it out loud and made it obvious. 00:30:59 Speaker 10: We are in a scenario where now, functionally, democracy is over. We had the Democrats attempt to kill the president, attempt to remove the president. from the ballot, put the president in jail so that he could not run again. That itself is already an incredible threat to the idea that there could be a peaceful transfer of power after an election in the United States. Now, the Democrats are announcing out loud that their strategy is to use the Justice Department so thoroughly that they will destroy the idea that anyone would want to work for a Republican administration, to work for someone like Donald Trump. so that basically the president would have no staff, no ability to put anyone in a position of power because they'd be so terrified of what happens once the next party comes in. That means that if at any point the left gets into power, they will effectively destroy the lives of anyone and everyone who worked for the Trump administration in the hopes that it will chill the political actions of younger Republicans, younger conservatives. You cannot, cannot have a representative form of government, an elected government, in an environment like this. You cannot have an elected government where you actively use the government itself to intimidate your opponents into ensuring that they would never ever run for office or serve because ultimately you would destroy them legally this is third world stuff you either win or you die you win or you go to jail you win or you have your life ruined we are facing truly existential politics and the democrats are driving as hard as possible to ensure that legitimate elections are extremely difficult in the future and that any loss politically could be existential. 00:32:40 Speaker 6: And yeah let's let's drive that home like that's that's how a lot of these regime a lot of nominally weak democratic governments fall apart in third world countries is that sense that, okay, I mean, look at Bolsonaro, for example, that Jair Bolsonaro, he gave up power in Brazil and his reward was he was promptly thrown in prison. Now his son is running to get him out, but a lot of drama is going into that. A lot of Bolsonaros would make the calculation, well, if I'm going to be thrown in prison on trumped up charges, if I leave power, how about I just not leave power? And haven't we seen that play out over and over again? And now we're just inviting that to happen in the United States. at some point in our history, after 250 years of unproblematic successions. 00:33:25 Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, this is the classic story of Caesar, right? Why do you get Julius Caesar? Why does he take power in the Roman Republic? Well, because if he handed power back over, the Senate promised that they would arrest him. They would throw him in jail, that he would pay a price for not relinquishing power. 00:33:39 Speaker 4: So he simply didn't. When you back people. 00:33:41 Speaker 10: Into a corner like this, when you say either you maintain power, you never turn power over, or else we're going to destroy you, you incentivize them to say, well, fine, then I guess I will not abide by an election anymore. 00:33:52 Speaker 4: I will not follow the rules. I will retain power. 00:33:54 Speaker 10: In fact, it doesn't even become an immoral decision at some point, because if you turn over power to your enemies, those that have declared that they're going to do damage to you, they're going to harm you physically, physically, emotionally. They're going to take away your freedom, lock you in jail. Well, it would be immoral to turn power over your, over your country to those people. Like it would make no sense. for you to cede power to people who have already promised they were going to destroy you and the people that you love. This is, again, an incredibly dangerous type of rhetoric that will surely bring serious consequences to our system if it continues. 00:34:29 Speaker 2: You know what I find really striking about this, and I agree with everything that you've said, I mean, what Elise Slotkin is doing here is basically saying, win or die. And when you have a politics like that, it's not It's no longer possible to do the peaceful transfer of power. It's no longer possible to do business as usual. And so I don't even think she understood just how radical a thing she said was. I mean, but she said it out loud. And frankly, there's a lot of Democrats that already believe this. 00:34:58 Speaker 5: And that's really part of it. It's just that mindlessness to it. 00:35:01 Speaker 2: Like, oh, yeah. It's really frustrating. But the other part that's really rich is that they will now turn around and accuse Donald Trump of being the one that has weaponized the judicial system, right? Going after Ilhan Omar or things of that nature. When we know it's the left that has pioneered this entire thing. We know that it is them that, as you said, tried to throw President Trump in prison for 700 years, that tried to bankrupt him, that ginned up E.G. Carroll, financed her civil suit, reversed the statute of limitations law for one year just to show that. 00:35:32 Speaker 6: They basically had to invent four novel prosecutions to go after Donald Trump. And it's not No one's been honest about it because so many law professors hated Trump that they were part and parcel to let's rewrite or rejigger or reinterpret every law possible to put Donald Trump in prison. They had four different– four criminal cases and a civil case, and every single one of them needed a change to the law, either an interpretation or statute. 00:35:57 Speaker 2: That's insane. And to boot, it was Joe Biden– and the auto pen that pardoned half his outgoing administration. So they're the ones that understand. That was pure projection, by the way. It was pure projection of their intentions against Donald Trump of what they did on the way out. So they know the game. They know the game that they're playing, and they're not going to let President Trump play it against them. But you had a tweet basically saying that the fact that President Trump has not gone after more could be a strategic blunder, if you will. Explain that one minute left, Oren McIntyre. 00:36:28 Speaker 10: Yeah, to be really clear, this is actually what Donald Trump should have been doing to the Democrats. After they weaponized the DOJ, after they went after Trump the way they did, after they destroyed, you know, basically tried to throw his staff in jail. 00:36:41 Speaker 4: Ultimately, you have to have some kind of payback. 00:36:43 Speaker 10: The only thing that creates an equilibrium in a situation like this is tit for tat when you have to push back just as. 00:36:50 Speaker 4: Hard as you got pushed. 00:36:51 Speaker 10: And if you don't, then ultimately they're going to take advantage because they realize there will be no consequence for their actions. 00:36:57 Speaker 4: Donald Trump. 00:36:58 Speaker 10: Has done great things on areas like immigration, but did not do enough to punish the people who tried to destroy him and the people who worked for him. 00:37:06 Speaker 4: And he will pay for that. 00:37:07 Speaker 10: They will see that mercy as weakness, and they will push back twice as hard. It doesn't matter if Donald Trump hasn't done the things we wish he would do. They're still calling him a fascist. They're still treating him as if he's some kind of tyrant, some kind of dictator. And they will do anything and everything to stop that threat, even if it's completely delusional. 00:37:27 Speaker 4: You have to remember that. 00:37:28 Speaker 2: Yeah, sadly, I think you're right. He was just recently asked whether he's going to pardon himself and his staff on the way out. And he referenced the power of a presidential pardon. And so I would expect that might be something we could see in the future. Orrin McIntyre, good to see you, my friend. We'll see you soon. I want to tell you about a new movie from Angel called Drummer Boy. And even better, I'm going to tell you how you can get two complimentary tickets to see it in theaters. Drummer Boy hits theaters November 6th, and if you enjoyed a movie like The Greatest Showman, you're going to want to put this one on your radar. 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We're going to be shifting our focus a little bit to the economic questions that are swirling today in just a second. But I want to give you guys an update here really quick in Arizona. Now, if you look at the traditional polling that comes out of a state like Arizona, you they will tell you Andy Biggs has no chance. The truth is much, much more, I would say, encouraging for us conservatives than that. Her own internal polling, somebody like Katie Hobbs, she has the race at four points spread, which is within the margin of error. And undecideds and late breakers are going two to one for Andy Biggs. But even more than that, we just got a big new ballot drop, all from Maricopa County, 52,337 ballots came in. It was Dems at thirty nine point one percent of those ballots and Republicans at thirty eight point three percent of those ballots. OK, so overall in the state of Arizona, I think we have this graphic. We have thirty three hundred seventy one thousand ballots in three hundred seventy one thousand ballots in. Democrats are 40 percent even and Republicans are at thirty seven point seven percent. OK, so what does that mean? It means compared to this very day in twenty twenty two. We are doing 2.3% better, Republicans are, than we were in 2022. This, okay, the sky is falling, chicken little, blue tsunami, all this stuff. And yet, 2022 was supposed to be a red wave year. Remember, it turned into a red trickle. We are doing 2.3% better than we were in 22, and Democrats are doing 0.2% worse. So I say this as an inspiration for you listening out there to get off your couch and go chase some ballots you can get the turning point action app on all the app stores all the app marketplaces and you can wherever you're at right now contact voters you can contact voters near in your neighborhood you can call them text them send them postcards please be a part of this i blake and i we did a super chase event this this weekend with andy biggs we went out and knocked doors i went out with ryan It was fantastic. Got to meet the voters. Just door knocking. Just old school stuff. That's how we spent our Saturday. So please be inspired. Please be encouraged. We can do this. It takes showing up. All right. Enjoy our Commit 100. Commit to chasing 100 ballots with us. Go to tpaction.com slash 100. 00:41:29 Speaker 3: Okay. 00:41:30 Speaker 2: Just wanted to give you a quick little electoral update. Joining us now is Colin Plume. He's the CEO and founder of Noble Gold Investments. But more than that, he's just a guru when it comes to all things macroeconomics and really dissecting all the evidence that is out there. Colin, welcome back to the show, my friend. Good to see you. 00:41:49 Speaker 3: Yeah, good to see you guys, too. Thanks for having me. 00:41:52 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. And usually you come in person. And I was like, no, no, no, Colin, I need you don't have to fly to Phoenix. But I respect that you like to hang out with us so much. So but I do. We need you there doing doing the hard work, my friend. 00:42:07 Speaker 3: All right. 00:42:07 Speaker 9: Yeah. 00:42:07 Speaker 2: So here's the question. CPI came in a little hotter than expected, 3.7%. We have big questions about whether the Fed is going to raise interest rates again. So how does the higher for longer rate environment, meaning that we kept hoping that rates were going to come down, but they were remaining higher for a longer period than we anticipated. How does that affect the case for physical gold and silver, inflation hedges, things like that? How are you thinking about it? 00:42:35 Speaker 3: Well, I would just say that 3.7% inflation is a far cry from the 2% mandate that they're trying to get to. So that's the first thing. Also, it went up 0.6% in one month. 0.6% in one month is actually a massive jump. If we have 0.6% happen for the rest of the year, that means by Christmas, inflation will be 5%. So it's... they do a funny thing with the math. They do these little 0.6. So it doesn't seem like a lot, but that's just the one month. If that continues, if that continued for a whole year, we'd be above, above 7%, uh, inflation. So this is a, this is alarming. Uh, if you look at polymarket in different places that the likelihood of a raise jumped from like 20% in the mid 40% range, uh, that they could potentially, uh, you know, raise interest rates. So it's, it is going to affect inflation is around. And unfortunately, what the Fed's done, raising their rate to 4% with inflation at 3.7%, it's like you're running on a treadmill and you're staying in the same place. They're not really doing anything. And the real rate on your cash in the bank account is basically zero, if that makes sense. So basically, the returns you're getting in a bank account or Even in bonds, maybe it's a little bit higher. I don't know if anybody would want to tie their money up in a 10-year bond because typically those don't do very well long term. But the little bit that they've raised, it's not really helping people day to day. And the last time we saw inflation go crazy was 2022. It got up to 9%. And gold and silver went sideways for a little bit. But as soon as things leveled off, that's when we went on this historic run. in gold. And gold was sitting in the low 2000s. And then it rose all the way up to $ 5, 600 an ounce. So the CPI increase is actually, it's a bigger number. It's just when they do 0.6, it doesn't seem like a big number, if that makes sense. 00:44:47 Speaker 2: Yeah. And obviously, a lot of this is being driven by the energy markets, right? The spikes, the Middle East conflict, all of that stuff is really feeding into this inflation. And we're seeing it now in the CPI at 3.7. And as you mentioned, 0.6 percent is a huge month to month increase. 00:45:04 Speaker 9: Huge. 00:45:05 Speaker 2: And we don't want that. I believe it's temporary. But explain that part of it. So do you think it's going to be temporary or do you see it this higher for longer thing? I mean, Blake's a believer that rates are going to stay high for a long time. I mean, that's you. 00:45:21 Speaker 6: I just you look at other countries and they're not changing behavior that causes them to go up long term. 00:45:26 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing. So I guess, you know. I'll let you answer that first, Colin. 00:45:31 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's like the Middle East lights the match, but Washington built the wood, the wood pile, right? You're going to see these spikes continue to happen. But yeah, gasoline was a big, big part of this story. It did more than half the work in September. Energy costs are up 20%, 20.4% this year. So it's a massive part of the story. I tend to believe with what Blake is saying. I don't think that there's any way that they're going to be able to not increase rates. And I think inflation is going to continue to go higher. I think we need to get used to this. These are the numbers. And so what do you do to protect yourself against these things? And obviously, the bond market continues to go higher. which is telling you a few things. One, bond buyers think inflation is going higher because if they didn't think inflation was going higher, they would gobble up the bonds in the low fives. They must believe that inflation is going to continue to skyrocket. And let's, We've had inflation in the double digits in this country. I know it was in the 1980s and people don't believe that, but it can happen again. If you look at all the government spending that we've done and all the debt we've accumulated since really the early 2000s, we have created more debt that will allow us to have tremendous inflation and dollar devaluation. So I tend to agree. I don't think it's going anywhere anytime soon. And I think the Fed's hands are really going to be tied. I don't think they're going to do anything in the next meeting. But I believe before the end of the year, they're going to raise rates again, which is they don't want to do it. They know it's not good for us because raising rates, it costs us more money on our debt. Like if we're at $ 2 trillion in interest payments, as we raise rates, it costs us more money because we're borrowing against ourselves. And I know that's a weird concept that raising rates costs us more money, but that's actually what happens. It costs us more. So it's not good overall. It's not good for us. And it definitely leads into some assets are going to feel the effect of this increase in our debt and the costs. And I think we're going to see a pretty massive correction in the equity markets because of it. Wow. 00:47:59 Speaker 2: Well, that's a big prediction right there at the end. Right there at the end of the sentence, you just dropped that. 00:48:04 Speaker 6: I just love this lingo. A pretty big correction in the equity markets. The stock market will go down. 00:48:09 Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. 00:48:10 Speaker 3: I mean, I don't see how it won't. I mean, if you look at the companies that are there and you look at the debt behind those companies that are there. 00:48:18 Speaker 2: By the way, call in. We didn't prep for this, but circular financing is another big thing with this whole AI boom. You got the, you know, folks buying their customer stocks and circular, circular. Colin, I think people are very unclear about the relationship between interest rates and the bond yield and the price of gold and silver and precious metals. Like, do they work, you know, opposite of one another? Are they going different directions or is there a lag? You kind of touched on this before, but let me just set this up again. So we got $ 2 trillion deficits. Debt around $ 40 trillion all in, and now the 10-year yields are up around 5%. Does this strengthen like a multi-year case for gold and silver, or does it weaken it, right? What does that do to the yields when it comes to gold? What's your prediction on that? 00:49:05 Speaker 3: Well, the one argument against gold is obviously it doesn't pay a yield, right? It's you're buying a physical investment. So some people would say these bond yields being higher, maybe I should take advantage of that. But if you go back any time over the last 100 years, bonds have never outperformed gold. So as much as these yields and they do pay a return, they are higher than before. I don't think we're seeing a lot of people going in and buying a 10 year bond. And for a number of reasons, even though maybe that return is higher, you're locked in for 10 years, right? You buy a 10 year bond, or if you buy a 30 year bond, you got to keep the money in there. If you don't, if you don't keep the money in there and you sell early, you won't get that return depending on where the market is at that time. So I think that, you know, looking at them, you know, everything is competing against different investments out there. I look at what's on sale. I think about Black Friday. I think about deals. Everybody loves deals, right? Buying things in a deal. And I look at gold and I say, gold is the biggest deal in the market right now. It's 25% lower, 26% lower than where it was in January. So at the end of the day, it's all about return. So yes, the bond's paying 5%. But if gold returns 8%, 9%, 10% over a 5- or 10-year period, it will outpace that. And that's why you're still seeing central banks who don't typically panic buy or panic sell. They're not diving into U.S. 00:50:43 Speaker 2: Bonds. 00:50:44 Speaker 3: They're not diving. And that's part of the reason the returns on bonds are going up is because so many central banks are selling their bonds. They're getting away from U.S. bonds. And so they're buying... tons and tons of gold and they continue to buy. It's China has bought gold for 23 consecutive months. They bought gold last year. They bought gold substantially higher than where the price of it is today. And they continue to buy it. So I look at, you know, everybody loves a deal. Everybody, you know, everyone's waiting for these black Friday deals that are coming. They're But I look at investment deals, and I think gold is just an amazing deal right now. It's just an amazing opportunity to buy it. 00:51:29 Speaker 2: At this discount. Yeah, I think that's super compelling. But you're kind of like also the silver guy. I mean, you were early on silver. So what do you think about the mix between silver and gold, that ratio that people should be looking at? Yeah. 00:51:43 Speaker 3: So I, I, you know, we talked about this. Silver was at a hundred to one ratio last year. There is never a time you don't want to buy silver when it's at a hundred to one, it's the best ratio. And if you go back the last hundred years of trading, it will always correct back. So it did. It's a, it's about 60 to one now. So it's changed. So silver is below $ 60 an ounce. And why is that compelling? I wrote about it in my book, silver is a new oil. But there is just a massive need for silver. The sixth year in a row of industrial demand has not been kept up by how much silver there is above ground. So there is a deficit of silver every single year. AI is going to play a massive part of that. Everyone believes AI is going to play a part in what's happening in the future. It's kind of the new industrial revolution. Everything's changing how we operate business and how we do things. Silver is... huge part of that. And we're going to continue to need to get more silver. So silver was at $ 120 an ounce. Now it's at $ 56 an ounce. So there's a lot of compelling reasons. Now, the thing about silver that's different than gold, gold is more, you know, flat, it kind of goes in a different direction in terms of growth, it's kind of like a stair step. Silver today today is more volatile. So if you're looking for something that has that huge potential swing, silver is really that that metal. Gold is more of the steady metal. And that's why a lot of our clients will typically do a mix of gold and a mix of silver. And they'll buy, you know, what we do is we bullion, right? These are bullion coins. I got 100 ounce silver. This is pretty heavy. This is 100 ounces of silver. We sold a ton of these. This is really, I think, a great way to store. It's easy to put in a safe. You know, you get away from all the numismatic value, having it in a bar. So this is the stuff that our clients are buying, and we're shipping it to people's doorsteps, and obviously we can do IRAs. But both of these metals are on a pretty significant discount from where they were earlier this year. 00:53:47 Speaker 2: So Colin, you mentioned that the central banks are still buying like a ton of gold, ETFs, all this stuff. They keep buying gold. They keep buying silver. What about the retail clients? Are you seeing retail clients pick that up? pick that trend up and they're doing the same or retail clients? 00:54:02 Speaker 3: Retail buyers in the U S are always last there. And it's so interesting. So retail buyers last year at second and third and fourth quarter started buying first quarter this year, they're buying now they're selling. So they're actually, unfortunately our retail buyers here in the U S are going the opposite. And Blake, you probably, you understand the psychology of, of investing. Like it probably doesn't shock you. Like, people sell at the wrong time. They don't sell at the peak. They're buying at the peak. And so, unfortunately, the U.S. retail market is typically late. You know, they weren't buying in 2023. They were buying in 2024, 2025. They jumped in last, you know, end of 2025, they were buying. I want to make sure. 00:54:52 Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to make sure people know where to find you. So it's noblegoldinvestments.com. Check out Colin and his work. His team's doing great work, and you can trust him. They know this inside and out. You can tell this by the way he talks about this topic. Colin, God bless you, my friend. It's too quick. We could have kept going. Noblegoldinvestments.com. Check it out. Colin and the team today. 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And we're going to turn our attention to Europe. We actually are having a big sort of influencer event here on campus. Blake's going to be speaking at it in just a little while. I'm going to be talking with them or do a Q & A. And we have one of them that we have never introduced you to, and I'm excited to do so now. Lorenzo Caccialupi. 00:56:33 Speaker 3: Lorenzo. 00:56:33 Speaker 12: Nice to meet you. 00:56:34 Speaker 2: Nice to meet you, Lorenzo. We figured you would be the exact right person to bring on today because we're talking about France. 00:56:39 Speaker 5: And Italy is a country next to France. 00:56:41 Speaker 2: And Italy is right next door. And lo and behold, the socialists and the Antifa types have now taken this protest movement into Milan. And I can only imagine that's just the start. Now, you are from Rome. But what as a proud Italian, I mean, what are you looking at? What are you hearing on the ground? What are your friends and family saying back in Italy? Are they worried about this? 00:57:05 Speaker 12: People are getting worried, and they're of course right to be worried right now. What is happening is very simple. Second, third generation migrants, together with communists, are destroying our entire nation. What started in France that didn't start last week, it started maybe 10 years ago when we started welcoming waves of illegal controlled migration coming mainly from Muslim countries, that hate us, are destroying the country. And what we have seen in France is just the beginning. We have seen in Milan, but we are seeing it in all the major cities. Exactly, that's Milan. We are seeing it in all the major cities in Italy. They are looting stores, burning down stores, burning down cars. They have injured hundreds and hundreds of police officers just for trying to stop them. And they're even going after civilians because some civilians that are trying to oppose to this madness are getting assaulted by these second, third-generation migrants and communists that have one goal, destroy the West. That's what they're doing. And they're already organizing for next week. There are chats of people saying, ah, let's meet here, let's loot this store. People who have worked their entire life are having these lives of sacrifice destroyed in one hour. 00:58:27 Speaker 2: How big is the problem... in Italy. You mentioned, because I've said a few times, there's a, I think a silly debate online. Oh, it's not, it's not the migrants. It's the communists and the socialists. Well, they all work together, right? They're all in league together. This migrant crisis situation with, you know, you think Georgia Maloney is, is different than the rest of Europe, but really the problem is persistent, right? What's the vibe with Georgia Maloney? How is she doing? How do you grade her, her work product? 00:58:58 Speaker 12: Yeah. 00:58:59 Speaker 2: How has the result been? 00:59:00 Speaker 12: First of all, I've had the pleasure of meeting Giorgia Meloni. I like her political party. The reason why we're not seeing as much as we would like. like to is that we have literally everybody against. We have European Union that is dictating our migration policy. Because People in the U.S. do not know, but the European Union is basically the main cause of evil around Europe because if we were to decide to stop welcoming illegal migrants, we would be facing persecution from the EU and we would be facing sanctions. Every European country is losing their sovereignty. We are not able to decide about our migration. We are not able to decide about our Green Deal, energy policy, about the farmers, about the currency. 00:59:45 Speaker 5: Nothing, nothing, nothing. 00:59:46 Speaker 12: And in addition, we have the problem with the leftist judges that sometimes we have migrants who are being expelled from the country. And what do the judges do? They rule that the expulsion was not legit and they bring them back. 01:00:00 Speaker 5: That's what's happening. 01:00:01 Speaker 6: Is there any energy for, you say they'll sanction you or crack down on you to pick that fight or alternatively to. 01:00:10 Speaker 5: leave the European Union, or is there no enthusiasm for that yet? 01:00:13 Speaker 12: I don't think it's even an option right now, but I can give you a tangible example. All over Europe, we are having problems with mass migration. 01:00:22 Speaker 2: Not in Poland. 01:00:23 Speaker 12: There is the great Polish politician that I know very well, Dominic Tarczycki, recently gave an interview saying, if you come to this border, we're going to shoot you. In Poland, they just passed a law where if you try to enter illegally, you can be shot. 01:00:37 Speaker 3: And why? 01:00:37 Speaker 12: Because they don't want terrorists infiltrating in their country. But what's happening to Poland right now? Since they're not welcoming the migrants and they're not respecting the EU policy about the migration pact, Poland is getting sanctioned every day for not wanting to welcome illegals. And when people tell you illegal migrants are not a problem, Why would you ever say that? You are such a racist. Let me give you some facts, and then we will see if statistics are racist. In Italy, we have around 300,000 illegal migrants in our territory. In a population of 60 million, this is barely 0.5%. And they alone are accountable of 30%. of crimes in our country. 0.5% of illegal migrants. And when people tell you, hey, yes, but... No, no, no, no. Kick them out. 30% of crimes that's going to go down in one day. 01:01:31 Speaker 6: It just seems like, as you say, so if Poland's standing up to it, they're able to take the sanctions, what needs to happen for this to actually come apart then if they're not ready to stand up to the European Union yet? Maybe, let's say in France, if Le Pen wins and then if we still have a conservative government in Italy... Would that be enough that they could defy the European Union? Or how do we get out of this death spiral before Italy ceases to exist? 01:01:55 Speaker 12: It's very difficult and complicated, but we've got to act now. If we're not going to act now, there will be no country left to defend. And I always advocate for this, even here in the USA, where I have the opportunity to travel a lot throughout the years. If you're not going to stop now, what's happening? You're going to cry in 20 years. We are seeing a process of Islamization, of political Islam, coming and spreading like a virus around Europe. In Italy, we just had our first Sharia law council approved. Now we are going to have a Sharia law building that is going to judge. So they are going to be the substitution of our Italian law. 01:02:33 Speaker 5: And this is not only Italy. 01:02:35 Speaker 3: It's everywhere. It's everywhere in Europe. Jeez. 01:02:38 Speaker 2: This is a crazy video that came out of some of the riots in Italy. And I love this because there is this old-school Italian mindset. that this guy and you completely, I just think, embody. 165, throw the B-roll up. So this is a lone Italian man beating back all these migrants and these migrant children with nothing but a stick or like a baton or something. Here he is. They're looting everything. Look at him. He's all buff and ripped, and he's trying to grab them, and they're running from him, and he ends up getting a couple of them here. But this is like, I think a beautiful example of a difference between the meme in France where the woman's like, I voted for you. I support you. Don't loot my store. And they tell her to shut up. This guy comes out with a stick. This is the way you handle these miscreants. Go ahead, Lorenzo. 01:03:27 Speaker 12: That's what you've got to do. That's what you've got to do. The time of talking is coming to an end. If the police is not able to do it, we've got to go out in the streets and protect our countries because they're destroying it. They want to take it away. They want it to sink. 01:03:44 Speaker 2: Together with us. Is somebody like you in Italy, do they call you a racist? Are you... What's the media environment, right? Because they went after Giorgia Maloney because the political heritage of that party was sort of linked to Mussolini or something in the past. So they're trying to go after her, call her a fascist. She's not, obviously. But are they still doing that? Is that still the playbook? You're a fascist, you're a racist. All the time. 01:04:08 Speaker 12: I'm a fascist, I'm a Nazi, I'm a racist, of course. And I'm also... a servant of Israel, you know, I'm a Nazi and a servant of Israel because I'm against propel, you know, that's how it works. 01:04:18 Speaker 2: Cause you're against what? 01:04:20 Speaker 12: I'm against propel movement, uh, destroying my country. Every, every day there is a different occasion to go out in the street and protest for Palestine. But what are the products for the Christians being killed in Nigeria? I've never seen them. 01:04:30 Speaker 9: Why? 01:04:31 Speaker 12: Because they do selective outrage and this is criminal. 01:04:35 Speaker 6: So speaking of that, actually, uh, this is a slight off topic, but I don't know when we'll have an Italian influencer on again. Uh, How did the Italians feel about having an American pope in Rome? 01:04:47 Speaker 2: That was a whiplash. It's a total whiplash, but we're. 01:04:49 Speaker 6: Talking about Christians, and I guess it stands out. How is that going? Is there a noticeable change? Do people complain about it, like it, get annoyed by it? 01:04:58 Speaker 2: Or don't care. 01:04:59 Speaker 12: So I would say mostly don't care. Personally, I don't care where the pope is from as long as he's good. Now, I'm sorry, he recently had a surgery for the lung cancer. I hope he's doing all right. If I have to express my humble opinion, I am not really a big fan of this Pope because of some position he has about political Islam, which I disagree. I think it should be more harsh. 01:05:22 Speaker 6: He spent America's 250th anniversary. He went to that island that you guys get a lot of migrants on, I believe, Lampedusa. 01:05:28 Speaker 12: And he prayed for the migrants who died trying to cross the Mediterranean. But I've got a question to ask. Why don't you pray for all the victims killed by the same migrant that managed to cross the Mediterranean. 01:05:44 Speaker 6: I just wish the Pope should look at that town hall burning in Limoges, France, and remember that they, or go look at the footage of Notre Dame burning a decade ago, and just remember, like, there are a lot of people who would enthusiastically do that to St. Peter's Basilica and every other church in Italy. 01:06:01 Speaker 2: So, we only have a little bit of time here, Lorenzo, but you apparently got to ask Charlie a question. The team is letting me know this, so I have to play this, and one of his prove-me-wrongs. Sot 18. 01:06:12 Speaker 12: I'm studying abroad from Italy for this semester. In Europe we are having a big problem with illegal immigration. People are coming, they don't respect our laws, they are being women, stabbing. It's dangerous to go around. So I don't understand when people come here to talk to you, liberals, saying that they want to work on the... them because you don't know who is entering your country. 01:06:34 Speaker 3: Amen. 01:06:35 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you, we need more legal immigrants like you in this country. 01:06:38 Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. 01:06:39 Speaker 12: And it makes me upset that for me, for me, it's difficult. 01:06:42 Speaker 5: I'm respecting the law. 01:06:43 Speaker 3: I'm here. 01:06:43 Speaker 12: If I have to be here legally, I'm going to go back to Italy because I cannot work. And it makes me upset seeing someone that comes here illegally and does whatever he wants. 01:06:51 Speaker 3: That's it. 01:06:52 Speaker 2: God bless you. 01:06:52 Speaker 1: You want a hat? 01:06:53 Speaker 5: If I can have a white one because I already have a red. 01:06:55 Speaker 2: A white one. 01:06:55 Speaker 3: All right. 01:06:56 Speaker 2: Make Italy great again. Okay? 01:06:58 Speaker 3: I wish. 01:07:08 Speaker 2: That's awesome. What a cool video. What a cool memory for you. 01:07:12 Speaker 5: It's an honor. 01:07:15 Speaker 2: Charlie was the best. And I'm glad you had that moment with him. Lorenzo Caccialupi, Italian influencer. You can find him on Instagram at Caccialupi underscore Lorenzo. Caccialupi underscore Lorenzo. Great, man. You are the spirit of Italy that that we all love and that has made that country such a beautiful place. So God bless you. Hold the line. Stay strong. 01:07:37 Speaker 9: Thank you. 01:07:40 Speaker 2: And we've got another influencer here. Again, we're doing a big influencer event at HQ in Phoenix, Arizona. By the way, we're at the YRefi Studios in Phoenix, Arizona. And now we have Gentry Jeevers. Jeevers? 01:07:53 Speaker 10: Jeevers. 01:07:54 Speaker 2: I got it right the first time. I follow him on X. I'm a big fan of your content, and this is the first time I got to meet you in person. So it's great. And he's much taller than I realize, which is always a good thing. You know, Charlie used to say there's actual privilege in the world. It's like the way your name's spelled. Charlie Kirk. 01:08:11 Speaker 9: Yep. 01:08:12 Speaker 2: What a great name. If you're going to be an influencer, Charlie Kirk. Charlie was also 6'5. How tall are you? 01:08:17 Speaker 3: 6'4. 01:08:17 Speaker 12: 6'4. 01:08:18 Speaker 2: All right. Well, there you go. So Gentry, you are originally from Seattle. Now you live in North Carolina, which is... There's a lot of doom and gloom about our politics right now. And sadly, North Carolina is not looking like it's going to go our way, at least from early returns. Maybe you can help with that. But North Carolina is a beautiful state. But you kind of are the epicenter for a lot of the collision of the Wokies and poor policing. This is obviously where we got Irina Zerutska. That whole story. And you are a story of a rural state that is very red, mixed with the... the research triangle that is very blue, and you get a lot of the worst ideas in North Carolina. So that probably informs a lot. a lot of your politics these days, I'm assuming. Cause you, you see this collision of the ideas right in your home on your home turf. 01:09:06 Speaker 7: Um, yes, in a way, uh, I'm very grateful to live in Charlotte because, uh, growing up in Seattle, it's this like crazy liberal hell hole. 01:09:16 Speaker 12: Yeah. 01:09:17 Speaker 7: If I can say that. 01:09:18 Speaker 8: No, it is. 01:09:18 Speaker 2: Um, socialist mayor. 01:09:20 Speaker 7: Oh, I, I think she's worse than mom Donnie, but, uh, I came to Charlotte, uh, a few years ago and I, I, I love it. 01:09:29 Speaker 2: Yeah. 01:09:29 Speaker 7: Uh, it's still more liberal than I would want it to be. 01:09:33 Speaker 3: Right. 01:09:33 Speaker 7: But I like, it's like a, 50% off discount on. 01:09:38 Speaker 2: Life, really. 01:09:39 Speaker 7: The weather's solid. 01:09:41 Speaker 2: Weather's solid. 01:09:42 Speaker 7: The people are great. 01:09:43 Speaker 2: People are great. Some of the sweetest people. But you do have woke government, too, at the same time. Crime policy, specifically. 01:09:52 Speaker 7: Well, it's really that they're not following the law. And I've been talking to judges in Charlotte, some of the good ones, and we've been trying to figure out a way to actually get these judges to adhere to the law, one of the solutions I have is potentially getting a law passed that says that if a judge lets a criminal out, that they could be liable for the crimes that they commit. So either a fine or whatever kind of punishment. It's kind of in line with. 01:10:25 Speaker 4: Bartenders. 01:10:26 Speaker 7: If they over-serve, they're liable for that. So it's the same line of thinking. I don't think it'll ever get passed, but I think that we should definitely push that because it'll put them on notice. I can't prove this, but a lot of them potentially are funded by nefarious sources. 01:10:46 Speaker 6: It really is outrageous every time, and we see this, there's probably a story about this every couple of weeks, where it's one thing if someone just commits a murder out of the blue, but we have a very large percentage of our crimes are by people who are just known to police. They are nuisance criminals who And for whatever reason, it's considered good left-wing governance to not permanently lock those people up. And they'll say they can't– they're incompetent to stand trial, but they're apparently competent to roam around the street with. 01:11:12 Speaker 2: A knife and stab people. 01:11:13 Speaker 9: Yeah. 01:11:14 Speaker 2: So you tweeted out– and I love this tweet– that it is un-American to give up hope. Obviously, you are in the influencer space, the content creator space. 01:11:21 Speaker 5: Mm-hmm. 01:11:23 Speaker 2: There is a doomerism that is set in with a certain contingent on the online right, at least formally right now, a lot of them are voting for Democrats. I don't even know if we can call them on the right anymore. How are you interpreting this moment? And like, how are you addressing it? What do you hope to kind of inject into the zeitgeist? 01:11:40 Speaker 7: Well, my understanding of how America was founded is it was founded on this idea of hope for a better life, right? The pilgrims came over to practice their religion, you know, faith the way that they saw fit because, uh, Henry was, you know, doing a terrible job at it. And then it evolved from there, the American revolution. I mean, it, in a lot of ways, uh, we didn't really have a lot of hope because we were just farmers and other types of people. 01:12:08 Speaker 2: Going up against the greatest empire, the greatest powerful empire in the history of the world. 01:12:12 Speaker 4: Exactly. 01:12:13 Speaker 7: And so, uh, if, if you look back, if, if they gave up hope, they were based, it's basically like a, a self-fulfilling prophecy that you, you can't do it. The famous, uh, Henry Ford quote is, if you think you can or you can't, you're right. And so you're you're giving up hope. And I think that it's it's so short sighted to to look at midterms and say, oh, all hope is lost because, you know, Trump invaded Iran. 01:12:37 Speaker 3: Right. 01:12:38 Speaker 7: It's it's kind of dumb because if you look back to 24, only two years ago, we won the popular vote. Like there's so many people that are done with the Democrats. They may not be sold on. on Republicans, but they're just, they're, they're, they're done with that. 01:12:52 Speaker 2: This is a key insight. 01:12:53 Speaker 3: Actually. 01:12:54 Speaker 2: You saw the new Pew poll that, that had, it was like 52% of young people are going to be voting for Democrats. Only 23 are committing to say that they're going to vote for the Republicans. The key insight of that Pew poll is that a quarter of those polled young people, 18 to 29 are undecided. They they're, they're not, they're not saying who they're going to vote for. Right. Which to me says, if you're worried, they're not going to vote Republican. Okay, fine. But they're not, rushing to endorse DSA. 01:13:20 Speaker 6: It's not the Obama era anymore. In the Obama era, there was a lot of hope and change, as we called it. They got really committed. They really believed it. These days, there's a lot more jadedness, nihilism, people checked out. And that's why there's a void to which leadership can be poured into. And it can be good leadership, or it can be very bad and destructive leadership. 01:13:41 Speaker 2: And this is what I say. They're not crying out for more DSA. At least the vast majority of them are not. They're not crying out for less conservatism. They're crying for results. They're crying for a change to the status quo. They want to see real change. And that's, I think, why a lot of them ultimately went and voted for President Trump. And whether they're frustrated about Iran or they're frustrated about Epstein, whatever, what is your message to those people that are feeling jaded, cynical, nihilistic? 01:14:07 Speaker 7: Well, this is in the politics of 20, 30 years ago. Both parties aren't pro-America, right? The Republicans definitely are. Democrats are not. I think the latest polling is like 65% of Democrat base is for socialism, right? 01:14:25 Speaker 5: The DSA has. 01:14:25 Speaker 7: Fully taken over the party. There was a thing in Congress and majority of Democrats couldn't sign it to say that we're capitalist. Socialism has never, ever worked. I mean, if you study history at all, you can just see that. And I don't want this country to go into that hellhole of, you know, communism, socialism, because frankly, and this is really selfish, I have a daughter and I don't want her to grow up in a country that is socialist. I want her to grow up in a country that she can be proud of and that she has the same opportunities. 01:15:01 Speaker 2: Prosperous. I mean, if you don't have economic freedom, you don't have any freedom. It's as simple as that. It is the most foundational. The right to property is the most foundational sort of liberal Western value of all. Gentry, where can people follow you, follow your work, your content? We're going to be talking in just a little bit over at the Influencer event. But tell people where they can check out your stuff. 01:15:23 Speaker 7: You can follow me on Instagram at Gentry Jeevers and follow me on X at Gentry W Jeevers. 01:15:28 Speaker 2: There it is. Gentry W Jeevers on X. Well, good, man. You better save North Carolina. Let's get our senator over there. Let's defy the odds. 01:15:37 Speaker 7: I would love that. Love that. 01:15:39 Speaker 2: Hey, we're not giving up on anything. The future is unwritten and we just have to show up to the polls, go vote, and you be the arbiter of what comes next. 01:15:51 Speaker 7: For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.