Do You Really Need College to Succeed?

00:00:03 Speaker 1: My name is Charlie kirk I run the largest pro American student organization in the country, fighting for the future of our republic. 00:00:11 Speaker 2: My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth. 00:00:14 Speaker 1: If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're going to end up miserable. 00:00:19 Speaker 2: But if the most important. 00:00:21 Speaker 1: Thing is doing good, you'll end up purposeful. College is a scam, everybody. You got to stop sending your kids to college. You should get married as young as possible and have as many kids as possible. 00:00:31 Speaker 2: Go start at turning point, you would say, college chapter. 00:00:33 Speaker 1: Go. Start at turning point you would say high school chapter. Go find out how your church can get involved. Sign up and become an activist. I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade, most important decision I ever made in my life, and I encourage you to do the same. 00:00:45 Speaker 2: Here I am Lord, Use me. Buckle up, everybody, Here we go. 00:00:56 Speaker 1: Noble Gold Investments is the official gold sponsor of the Charlie Kirkshaw, a company that specializes in gold irays and physical delivery of precious metals. Learn how you could protect your wealth with Noble Gold Investments at noblegoldinvestments dot Com. That is Noblegoldinvestments dot Com. 00:01:17 Speaker 2: I'm gonna keep it short and sweet. 00:01:19 Speaker 3: I'm just curious about your stance on college as a scam because I feel like, according to the Hamilton Institute, people who get bachelor degrees over a total lifetime earnings or of over one million dollars more than those who don't. And also, I feel like college is an important place for people to like go learn valuable life lessons. And also it's good to have like a balanced society because then you're gonna get artists. You're also gonna get architectures, You're gonna get engineers, You're gonna get all sorts of different people that we need in society, because like, what's the point in living if we don't have writers or artists. 00:01:47 Speaker 4: You know? 00:01:47 Speaker 2: So I just want to get your take on there. 00:01:49 Speaker 1: The question is do the best writers learn to write in college? Probably not, know. The best writers are gifted writing and they learn to write by writing. And I would just argue that this kind of holistic view you get, for example, what are you studying? Can I ask economics? Okay, so what do you think of Thomas soul. 00:02:06 Speaker 2: I actually really like him. 00:02:07 Speaker 3: I bought his book Basic economics or he's one of the first economists. 00:02:09 Speaker 2: Do they teach it here? Not yet? But also, okay, say they're proving my point. 00:02:13 Speaker 1: If you're studying economics and they're not teaching Thomas Soul, you're not getting an education. You're getting in indoctrination and you're being scammed. Okay, Milton Friedman, Do they teach Milton Freedman here? No? 00:02:22 Speaker 2: But I'm aware of him. Okay, Ludvi Van Misis, I'm aware of him. 00:02:26 Speaker 1: But no, Murray Rothbart hold On, no, f A Hayek, No, Frederick Bastiatt. No, you're not getting economics education. You're getting an indoctrination. You should know every single it's not your fault. But what you're paying for or going into debt for, is not a real economic education. Those are the people that theorized about free markets, which is a legitimate school of thinking, monetarism, private property rights, and the fact that you and I'm not criticizing you, I mean criticizing the institution that's failing you. That you don't know what these people believe and you're not being taught that rigorously proves my point that college is a scam. 00:02:59 Speaker 3: Yeah, but again, I've only been here like a semester and a half. 00:03:03 Speaker 2: But what do you know who John Maynard Kaines is heard of him? Actually you did read about him a little bit. 00:03:08 Speaker 1: Okay, so you're read about John Maynard Kaines, but you were Kynes, yeah, in class class right. So that's my point is that they'll teach you Knes, but they won't teach you one out of the seven people that I mentioned at Bosti at Hayek, von misis Rothbard, Soul or Freedman. And that's that proves my point, which is that it's all demand side. It's all one picture of an economic argument that is not the complete picture of what Now maybe later on you'll get a supply side, you know, economics teacher here. But this idea that you go to college to kind of get your worldview liberated, You get your worldview altered to be perfectly honest. Secondly, to your point of earnings over a period of time. It matters completely and solely on what you study. If you study the liberal arts. Even after ten years, study came out yesterday sixteen lowest paid majors happened to be some of the highest majors that people actually go and study, which is liberal arts, you know, sociology. God bless people that do that stuff, I suppose, but you're also filled with all of the woke rubbish that is infecting our society. 00:04:07 Speaker 5: All right, I just want to talk to you about that book. It's a good segue. 00:04:11 Speaker 2: I'll get you read it. 00:04:12 Speaker 5: No, okay, but I want your thoughts, like, face to face. Why do you think college is again? 00:04:16 Speaker 1: Okay, so half of this audience, if you get a job, will get a job that doesn't require a college degree. Forty one percent of kids that enter college will not graduate, and the vast majority of kids sixty to seventy percent that go to college, I believe, study things that are completely worthless, meaningless and don't enrich society at all. 00:04:35 Speaker 5: But is that the faults of this student or the college Because I looked in the stats for this, it's usually because they either don't have the finances to support themselves going to college. They don't, they have mental health problems that lead them to dropping out or stress, or their families not supporting them. So is that the fault of college that they pick bad degrees? Is that the faults of the college that they can't support themselves. Right, It's like getting a gym membership and then saying, well, you know, well I don't want to actually go work out. 00:05:01 Speaker 2: It's the fault of the gym. So a good question. 00:05:04 Speaker 1: So first, the forty one percent of kids that drop out. The federal government will fully underwrite any four year college through fastook. You know that through a student loan, meaning so if anyone has financial difficulty, that's not really a thing. The federal government will fully grant you your loan to any for university. Right, so you might have you might not want to take on that student loan burden. You might not want to take that on. But that's number one. Number two, I can't speak to the mental health issues. I doubt that forty one percent of the kids that graduate in that number all have mental health issues. 00:05:34 Speaker 2: But maybe that's the case. I'm not sure. I don't know that number. But let's talk about the institution itself. 00:05:40 Speaker 1: So everyone in the audience here, how many of you have had to take classes that are a waste of time that you wish you didn't have to take, that are a waste of money, and that every single hand goes up. Look around, look around, look around, look around. They're scamming every kid in this audience. They are forcing them to take classes that make them poorer, that take up their time in order to get the credential. That is a institutional scam. And by the way, every other part of life is all about your own customization. Your Netflix account, how you get your burrito bowl from, how you dress your Amazon cart is. 00:06:15 Speaker 2: You are in charge. 00:06:16 Speaker 1: But you come to college and they say you must go take these three, four or five classes that are very expensive, especially for you out of state students, to go further into debt, study things that don't matter, to find jobs that don't exist. 00:06:28 Speaker 5: That sounds like a scam, at least in my personal experience. Right, Like maybe some colleges, I would say, what do you study? I'm studying economics, right, Okay, And what I would say is that I have a great levity and choices of classes I want to take, even if like there's a bunch of general education classes, I have a great flexibility in the class I want to take. It's up to the students if they want to take meaningless classes given their credit limen. 00:07:00 Speaker 1: Okay, But I mean I would just speculate that this school still has specific criteria of classes, right, am? 00:07:04 Speaker 2: I correct? 00:07:06 Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to take a diversity class. That sounds like a scam book. They are robbing you to take a diversity class. It's actually not what you typically think. I think, I mean I'm taking Is it true? Do you guys have to take a diversity class? 00:07:19 Speaker 6: You know this is? 00:07:20 Speaker 2: This is true? Oh? This is true? 00:07:21 Speaker 1: All right, So that's a scam. Like, let's be clear, diversity class scams? 00:07:24 Speaker 2: Can you define what a scam is? 00:07:26 Speaker 1: When you are you are getting ripped off of your with your money, your time, your resources, either beyond what is a market rate or against your will. 00:07:37 Speaker 2: So I'll give you an example. 00:07:38 Speaker 1: If you guys want to fly to New York and Spirit Airlines says we're going to charge you two thousand, five hundred dollars for. 00:07:43 Speaker 2: A one way ticket. 00:07:44 Speaker 1: I think we all could agree flying Spirit Airlines for two thousand, five hundred dollars. 00:07:48 Speaker 2: Is a scam. Like you know it when you see it. 00:07:51 Speaker 5: I mean, it depends on how you view the worth of college. Like if you've the Federal the Federal Reserve for sent Rinsis gave a released a news letter discussing the actual finances behind IS college actually worth it, and they found that by age forty you recoup all at the average student recruits all their costs if they graduate, if they graduate, and even accounting for that. Other economists. 00:08:20 Speaker 1: Also state no, So that's an important study. If you take out the top ten percent, that's not the case. So top ten percent of graduates and income earners. So the top ten percent end up flourishing with a college degree. The other ninety percent do not. Do you know that there are eleven million job openings in this country that pay seventy five thousand dollars a year, that requires six weeks of training, that require muscular labor or using your hands, eleven million job openings. Now, a lot of you guys are in college because you've been pushed into college saying that you must get the piece of paper. You might get the piece of paper when there are very they're good paying jobs, eleven million of them, but either your society, your parents, or your own choices are no. 00:09:03 Speaker 2: I want to go to college. I want to go after that piece of paper. 00:09:06 Speaker 1: My contention is that there are way better options out there for a lot of students, not every student, but almost a lot of other students. 00:09:14 Speaker 5: Charlie, I think a part of your core rhetoric there's actually some real truth there that. 00:09:18 Speaker 2: Like I think a lot of. 00:09:19 Speaker 5: There's people are getting really just pressure to go to college, even if they'll make poor choices. I'm just saying that even while you're in college, you can make better choices to make yourself. 00:09:26 Speaker 2: I totally agree. Do you think most people do? I know some that are making great choices, something making terrible. So let's think about this. 00:09:36 Speaker 1: Why do you think, let's just say most make terrible choices. Would you say that's the case. 00:09:41 Speaker 2: I'll give you forty to sixty. Why do you think that is? 00:09:43 Speaker 1: Maybe because the institution incentivizes bad choices. It's easy to coast and still graduate. It's easy just to check the boxes right. It's it's not an institution designed around excellence. It's around let's get you through the mill as quickly as possible. Get the piece of paper bill, thank you very much. 00:10:04 Speaker 5: But do you think that actual the culture around students going to college could change instead around their decision making. 00:10:10 Speaker 1: I think we need way less kids going to college. The institution itself is so broken. Let's be clear. Force diversity classes, DEI, all that stuff it's nonsense. If it was really, college really should be closer to what Hillsdale College is, which is about wisdom, beauty, truth, goodness, not just about job preparedness. 00:10:28 Speaker 2: But we've lost that completely. 00:10:31 Speaker 1: If it's about doctors, lawyers, engineers and the skills, of course, but you know that it's way beyond that. I mean, people's going to not to pick on you, but you're studying economics. 00:10:41 Speaker 2: That's terrific. 00:10:41 Speaker 1: That's a good reason to go to college. It's not the best reason, I'll be honest, but it's a good reason, right. I mean, economics is a serious discipline. It's a real science. You know, we need people really rigorously studying that. 00:10:51 Speaker 7: So if you're a parent, you don't need to be told that online safety is important. That's why TikTok has over fifty preset safety and privacy settings. 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There's a social impact about college about on America. College is you know, good. 00:12:02 Speaker 1: The majority of kids that go to college when they graduate have a lower view of America than when they entered. 00:12:07 Speaker 2: Do you think that's a troubling thing. 00:12:11 Speaker 4: I think just changing your opinion doesn't really matter too much. 00:12:14 Speaker 1: Do you think that college teaches responsibility and hard work? 00:12:18 Speaker 4: And sure? 00:12:20 Speaker 2: Okay, well I find that hard to believe. 00:12:23 Speaker 1: Why is it that employers are more and more not wanting to higher college graduates and they actually want to hire people that didn't. 00:12:29 Speaker 2: Go to college. 00:12:30 Speaker 4: What employers. 00:12:32 Speaker 2: You can name them out. Man. 00:12:32 Speaker 1: Walmart just got rid of their even in their corporate levels, say you don't need to go to college. Coke Industries one of the largest employers in the country, from Georgia Pacific Railroad to Dow Chemical, they said, we no longer want kids that have gone to college because they end up causing problems because they're super entitled and they're like, oh, what are my pronouns? And they have all this like left wing nonsense that they've been filled with. 00:12:51 Speaker 4: Well, then you have engineers, doctors, lawyers, people. 00:12:53 Speaker 1: Sure we need that, but that's less than twenty percent of the people that go to college. 00:12:56 Speaker 4: Yeah, but colleges to Shay College as a scam, but twenty five percent of people become great people. No lawyers, doctors, engineers. 00:13:03 Speaker 2: That's not what college currently is. 00:13:05 Speaker 1: Though, again I'm happy to have you read the book College is a Scam. 00:13:08 Speaker 2: I wrote it. 00:13:08 Speaker 1: I can have a more worthy thing, which is the vast majority of people to go to college are receiving a scam for the money that they're borrowing. Vast majority. That's just there's exceptions. You can make whatever you want with your life. I mean you can, but I mean when you enter into an enterprise to know that you are going to maybe more money to How many do you guys have to take classes that are waste of time that you wish you wouldn't have to take every single hand, You're being scammed against your will to take classes that make you go further into debt. Why can't you say I want to take this class? Why are you using? Why is a customer? 00:13:37 Speaker 4: You can't you do a differential equation? What can you do a differential equation? 00:13:41 Speaker 2: Can I? 00:13:41 Speaker 4: Do you explain me than anatomy of a human? 00:13:44 Speaker 5: Uh? 00:13:45 Speaker 2: Like someone off the top? 00:13:46 Speaker 4: Psychology is yes, I do know what psychology? 00:13:48 Speaker 2: I can you aid and I lend you to me? Do you want me to explain psychology? 00:13:52 Speaker 4: You can't explain it to the depths of a bachelor's degree or a PhD. 00:13:55 Speaker 2: Well hold on a second time out. 00:13:56 Speaker 1: I've sat here with no notes, no phone and debated people with PhD. 00:14:01 Speaker 4: It's because it's your job. 00:14:02 Speaker 1: Hold on, I didn't go to college, man. That's the point is you could do whatever you want without a college degree. You could listen to podcasts, read books you don't need to. 00:14:09 Speaker 4: Gals, wasn't able to go to the University of gotten guide. 00:14:12 Speaker 2: That's literally the reason I can't hear what you say? 00:14:14 Speaker 1: You know, galls right petition, Yes, it's vaguely sure, Okay, vaguely yes, vaguely yeah. 00:14:20 Speaker 2: Do you know who no Freeman is? Do you know who Herbert Marcuse is? You know Thomas soul Is? 00:14:24 Speaker 4: Do you use a phone? 00:14:25 Speaker 2: Do you know who gibn or Morris is? You don't? So I could do? Gotcha too? 00:14:28 Speaker 4: Like you're trying to go into university? Is the reason that he was able to become so proficient in mathematics. 00:14:35 Speaker 2: So here, here's the change the world. 00:14:36 Speaker 1: The majority kids that go to those people are more addressed than when at degree, are able to get a. 00:14:41 Speaker 4: Little form much better in their field than someone who doesn't. 00:14:44 Speaker 1: Well, then if that's the question, if that really is true, if college is this amazing accelerant, then why do so? 00:14:51 Speaker 4: But if you're looking at it, let me science finished, man, and you want to serve you're not you need a degree? 00:14:58 Speaker 2: All right? Let me let me make my point. 00:15:00 Speaker 1: If that's the case, why do half of these kids end up with anywhere between fifty to one. 00:15:05 Speaker 2: Hundred thousand dollars in debt? 00:15:07 Speaker 1: And they end up getting a job that says, oh, sorry, you never needed the degree in the first place. 00:15:11 Speaker 2: Why is that the case? 00:15:13 Speaker 4: Tell me people on average, once going to college make more money. 00:15:17 Speaker 2: Well, that's not true. They end up getting a job. 00:15:20 Speaker 1: That's only if they graduate in the and it depends on the field to study. Do you know the average college graduate now is getting a job at sixty one thousand dollars a year. The average plumber after eighteen months sixty eight thousand dollars a year. 00:15:32 Speaker 2: The average twelve seventy. 00:15:33 Speaker 4: Two thousand dollars a year with peers. 00:15:35 Speaker 1: The plumber didn't go to college. The plumber went to trade or technical school. There's eleven million job openings that do not require a college degree in this country. 00:15:43 Speaker 4: Eleven year million plumbers use I'm sorry, what who engineered the stuff? Plumbers use? 00:15:48 Speaker 2: I'm sure someone here. 00:15:49 Speaker 1: I mean that it's like someone with the saying who designed the airplane for the pilot to fly? 00:15:54 Speaker 4: I mean someone with a degree that went to college knowledge. 00:15:57 Speaker 2: I think you're misunderstand I'm saying. 00:15:59 Speaker 1: I'm not saying you get rid of all places of higher learning the way it's currently comprised for you guys, the amount of debt you have to go into the class. 00:16:05 Speaker 4: You say, don't g rid of places of higher learning, but then you're going to rough every fifteen seconds. 00:16:09 Speaker 1: You're not debating in good faith because it is a scam. So let me ask you a question. Can you point to other things of American life the last hundred years that have been scams? For example, when someone they run an advertisement they say buy these pills because you know we're gonna make you super muscular, and they don't have all the fine print that it might not work and you have to have a monthly subscription. 00:16:27 Speaker 2: We shut down that business for being. 00:16:30 Speaker 4: Scam different though, that's how it was a different home. 00:16:31 Speaker 1: On a second, when you show up to college, did they tell you have to take all these classes that you didn't sign up for? Did they they said that you're gonna have to take all these different classes? Do they tell you that half of you guys would not ever use your degree when you go into your career. How many guys knew that You guys knew that when you signed up. Well, colleges, what you guys are willingly participating in the scam? 00:16:49 Speaker 2: Good for you. 00:16:50 Speaker 1: The point is this is that most kids know deep down they're getting ripped off. The number one thing I hear from people across the country in corporate America, Boy, college is a waste of time. Boy, I wish I never would have gone. Now I have sixty thousand dollars a debt, seventy thousand dollars in debt. I wanted to start a business, but now I don't have the credit to do it. Instead, we are wasting our most prized possession, our eighteen to twenty two year olds, to go stick them at many universities when they shouldn't be in the first place. And it is a failed project. It is making us poor. It is making and by the way, just look at the actual numbers over a period of time. Has it worked. Is home ownership now going up for young college grads? 00:17:23 Speaker 4: Are we're gonna blame that on college though there's a lot of different it. 00:17:26 Speaker 1: Is the most golf it's the most equally applicable thing across the board for a generation. And if you look at the average, how much debt do you have to go to school? 00:17:35 Speaker 2: By the way, none? None? Okay? Wow? Are you on scholarship or yeah? Okay? So who's paying for your college? 00:17:41 Speaker 4: Then probably the federal government. 00:17:43 Speaker 1: Okay, so I'm paying for your college, is what you're saying. My taxes are paying for your college. So do you have a you're on grant or what. 00:17:52 Speaker 4: I'm not going to discuss my college finances. 00:17:54 Speaker 1: Well, now this is really important. This is why you're so defensive of college. This is why you're so forceful because you don't have to walk aroun on the rest of your life with one hundred thousand dollars student own that plenty of people going to go to This explains you perfectly. I the taxpayer, when I write my check to the irs, I'm subsidizing your ability to go to college. 00:18:11 Speaker 4: Okay, yours, I also give money for people to go to college. 00:18:16 Speaker 1: You should have skin in the game. You should, and you don't right now. You are doing a free loading thing. 00:18:20 Speaker 4: Of course you should be defined pay taxes. I pay federal taxes, I pay stay taxes. 00:18:24 Speaker 1: I'm sure I pay a little bit more than you, but that's a separate issue. But the point is this is probably do you think you pay anywhere close to the tuition value you get at the school? 00:18:33 Speaker 2: Probably not? 00:18:33 Speaker 4: Yeah, probably I do. It's like five thousand a semester. It's a lot of money, but you get a lot out of that. Hold on, how much is it to go to school here? It's around five thousand so in. 00:18:42 Speaker 2: State, in state, Yeah, okay, included room and board and tuition. No okay, how much is it? 00:18:47 Speaker 4: Is it a room, board, tuition, all of it. It's around eleven thousand. 00:18:50 Speaker 1: Eleven thousand semesters. So you pay twenty two thousand dollars a year in taxes? No okay, got it. So you're you're in a tax deficit, which means the US tax payer is subsidizing your education. That's fine, I'm not faulting you for it. But this is why you're so defensive is you're detached from the price. You're detached from the cost. 00:19:05 Speaker 2: It's easy to be defensive to something you're not paying for. 00:19:09 Speaker 8: Hey, everyon, we're excited to tell you about Charlie's favorite supplement. If you experience brain fog, low energy, frequent illnesses, or if you just wake up stiff and achey every day, you've got to try strong cell. Charlie took it every single day, He frequently talked about it on the show, and he even traveled around the country bringing it with him. For Charlie, strong cell helped keep his mind sharp and focused for all the debates he was engaged in. Strong cell gives clean, natural energy without jitters, weird spikes, or afternoon crashes. It makes you feel like a younger version of yourself. 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Let me prove it to you. 00:21:51 Speaker 1: How many of you have to take classes that are a waste of time that you wish you shouldn't have to take? 00:21:54 Speaker 2: Well, there you go. I rest my case. 00:21:58 Speaker 1: How many of you guys know at least three people at that went to this college previously and earlier. Okay, the national graduation rate is forty one percent. Most people to go to college do not graduate. You guys actually go to a school that has a lot of applicability in the job market outside of some of the majors that are offered, but aeronautical engineering, computer engineering, which you know, go go work for Elon and But so this this school is actually a little bit more of the exception than it is the rule. Because I think humanities are largely one of the great wastes of time and kind of societal poisons and cancers that are happening in our society. 00:22:31 Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm happy to continue. 00:22:32 Speaker 7: Yeah. 00:22:33 Speaker 9: So what do you recommend, like an eighteen year old dude or a girl to do after high school? Yeah? 00:22:40 Speaker 2: Turn up the volume? Can we try? I apologize? Sorry? 00:22:45 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna try, and I will come out there and say hi to you guys in the second So yeah, and we're gonna go say how all of our friends over there? So yeah, what do I what do I recommend? It all depends on what you want to do. That's the most The worst thing you can do is into a four year a four year agreement where you have to borrow a bunch of money, try to find your way, go, take a bunch of classes that have very little relevancy, and next thing you know, you end up with a college degree and you end up getting a job that. 00:23:14 Speaker 2: Doesn't require a college degree. Here's a fact. 00:23:16 Speaker 1: Half of people that graduate college end up getting a job that does not require a college degree ten years after they graduate. That is the best argument I have. It goes to show that diploma doesn't actually have I. 00:23:28 Speaker 9: Mean, you're looking at engineering students you're looking at. 00:23:31 Speaker 2: Engineering is different finance students. I qualify students like that. 00:23:34 Speaker 9: For example, I went to community college for two years, and you know a lot of other people go to community college. You get free community college for two years, then you could transfer over and then two years at a college like cal Poly or you know, a university. And you know, the top five paying you know, jobs out of college are accountants, engineers, teachers. 00:23:56 Speaker 2: Try to get closer to the mics. So people getting teachers, engineers, stuff like that. 00:24:00 Speaker 9: And it's just you know, and then the guys, the people that are wearing the shirts are actually in college. So I'm just curious, like. 00:24:08 Speaker 2: But you know, they know better than I do that it's a scam. 00:24:11 Speaker 9: Then, I mean, it's just someone like me, you know. I think it just comes down to hard work ethic. You know, like I don't understand, like not everyone's built for the trades. Not everyone's built to go into construction or you know, work as a painter or whatever they're doing after college. A mechanic, yeah, exactly, you know, And I just you know, a large majority of people going into college out of high school. I think it's a good choice for kids because they have four years to develop as a human being versus just jumping into the workforce that's making, making and making what thirty forty grand? 00:24:42 Speaker 2: And you can't live off that right now? I mean, are those folks over there developing as human beings? 00:24:47 Speaker 9: I mean, I'm not talking about them, but hold on, I'm talking about you know. 00:24:50 Speaker 1: That's what college produces though, angry, bitter, resentful activists that hate the country that's not developing, that's hardening and honestly creating, you know, a mobilization army for the radical left. 00:25:03 Speaker 2: That's what we've seen. 00:25:04 Speaker 9: You got your your major courses where you're taking you know, I'm a realestate finance major, so I'm taking classes for real estate finance, so i have an internships in real estate finance. 00:25:11 Speaker 2: It's great. 00:25:11 Speaker 9: I'm not going into that field after college. But I'm saying, you take classes at college to get a job after college, and there's a most of the universities you get over seventy five grand a year out of college. 00:25:23 Speaker 2: If you do the route of two years. 00:25:24 Speaker 9: At community college and transfer into it into a university, you're able to pay off that debt, which is around twenty k thirty k for school like this and go to state school and then you're off to the racist so. 00:25:34 Speaker 1: Aduay, forty one percent don't so because they shouldn't have gone in the first place. 00:25:39 Speaker 4: Then what do they do? 00:25:41 Speaker 2: What do you do if it never should have gone? 00:25:42 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, we have eleven million open trade jobs in this country. 00:25:45 Speaker 2: Ye, here's the thing. 00:25:46 Speaker 1: People do not want to work with their hands, and parents don't want to send their kids to go work with their hands because it's considered to. 00:25:52 Speaker 2: Be dirty type label. 00:25:53 Speaker 1: Well, eleven million job openings in this country that require just a six month certification, whether it be auto mechanic, right, hvac, plumber, so on and so forth. 00:26:03 Speaker 2: And it's not for everybody, But I mean, I get what you're saying. It's just like. 00:26:09 Speaker 9: Large majority of people in America right now don't are just lazy. They're not going to be doing that after high school. 00:26:15 Speaker 1: Well, we agree, So does college make you lazier? Work make you work harder? It makes you work harder. I mean I work throughout college. 00:26:21 Speaker 2: I work. You are the exception. 00:26:22 Speaker 1: Then, because employers are disagreeing, they say, we've never seen such lazy, entitled, narcissistic college graduates. In fact, most employers say if you have a college degree, you're put in a different category. They prefer people out of high school. Unless you want to go work for Bank of America and a soulist laptop job for the rest of your life, and you know, go learn about how men can become pregnant at some HR you know, department survey, you know, or. 00:26:47 Speaker 9: You use your analytical skills that you use in school to get a job that or six figures you don't. 00:26:52 Speaker 2: You can develop analytical schools outside of college. I think I think you're just I'm living through that. I think you're just Yeah. I mean I almost dropped out too, And I'm. 00:27:01 Speaker 1: Not saying it wasn't the right choice for you. But more times than not, kids are deceived and lied and they have tons of animosity because this school is unique. If you go to UCLA or if you go to UC Berkeley, you're not left with thirty thousand dollars in debt. You're left with one hundred and thirty thousand dollars in debt. 00:27:16 Speaker 4: Right. 00:27:18 Speaker 7: I wasn't expecting this, I have to say, but death of recess, it stopped me in my tracks. This isn't about dodgeballs and jungle gyms. It's about control. The modern American classroom didn't just happen. It was intentionally designed. It was standardized and centralized. And once you see who built it and who protects it, everything clicks. Billions of dollars are flowing through education bureaucracies every year, test scores collapse, and somehow the answer is always more money and less parental authority. The documentary breaks down how organizations like the NEA amassed enormous influence, how radical gender ideology entered classrooms, and why something as basic as recess movement, freedom, childhood, you know, had to go. That's not random, that's systemic. Institutions protect themselves. They do not protect your kids. And that's why this documentary exists on Angel Studio streaming platform Angel Guild. Angel Guild is willing to distribute films that challenge powerful systems when legacy media won't touch them. So right now, go to angel dot com slash Charlie and watch Death of Recess right now. If you're a parent or plan to be, you need to see this. That's Angel dot com slash Charlie and watch Death of Recess. 00:28:36 Speaker 1: If you feel as if there's a massive amount of injustice in the world. There's a lot of truth to the argument that you, as a young person, have been lied to and misled and that you have been told to do things that are not in your best interest, one of them being having to go to college to succeed there. I do not believe that a majority of young people should be going to college. In fact, I think that college is largely a scam. And I'll prove it to you. How many of you have to take classes that you are forced to take that have no relevancy to eat orgree a major and you wish you shouldn't have to think? 00:29:06 Speaker 2: Get every hand goes up. 00:29:07 Speaker 1: Right, And so the idea that just a piece of paper is going to be able to grant you access to society is a highly questionable one at best. And so how many of you know someone that dropped out of college? 00:29:19 Speaker 2: Raise your hand? Yet almost every hand goes up. 00:29:20 Speaker 1: You're being forced to take classes that really have no relevancy to your future, whatever that might be. And you're also simultaneously then knowing that people are dropping out at a record rate. Ask yourself the question, why is this the case? And so, but this is something I want to try to just hopefully find some common ground on one, which is the following, which is that if you feel as if kind of the game has been rigged against you as a young person, you're not totally wrong. There is a understandable anger that begins to set in. 00:29:51 Speaker 2: And I know a lot of you feel this way. 00:29:53 Speaker 1: As if I've done everything I've been told to do and I do not get the same shot at the American Dream or at flourishing that my parents did. And I will say that we could talk at length about what to do about that. But I think that there is a there's a critique out there by some conservatives that all young people are lazy and all that I don't I don't believe that. I think there's plenty of lazy young people. There's lazy people in every age group. I don't think that millennials and Gen Z are generally lazy. I think that they've been they've done everything they've been told to do, and now they're looking at their life when they're twenty five, twenty six, and twenty seven and they're like, wait a second, I follow the rules. So my message is understanding that critique, let's try to turn some of that cynicism into hope, into a country that could be, you know, something you could buy into, something you could do in your own life to actually find meaning and purpose. 00:30:47 Speaker 2: Because cynical people. 00:30:49 Speaker 1: Do really bad things they do over time, cynical politics is not good for society. You get very radical political movements when you start to be cynical about everything. And guess that's what I have to wrestle with this myself. I'm cynical about a lot, but instead I have to go through the process of stopping the cynicism and saying, wait a second, what do I believe? What's the country I want to live in? What can I do actually hopefully get an optimistic, hopeful message out because the politics of cynicism is bad for everybody. If you think things are always constantly falling apart and there's no resolution, there's no way to try to solve it, then by definition, what comes next is either going to be an authoritarianism or anarchy, one of the two, and one will lead to authoritarianism. 00:31:30 Speaker 2: Right. 00:31:30 Speaker 1: Anarchy does not last, it doesn't. Anarchy happens and then an authoritarian person takes over. And you saw this in the French Revolution, the Russian Revolution when people get hyper cynical about the political process. They're willing to give their political power to a Napoleon or Vladimir Lenin or whatever. 00:31:45 Speaker 2: I don't want that. 00:31:46 Speaker 1: You don't want that either, And so if you're feeling as if the game has been structured against you, I want to just say, there's a lot of truth to that argument. And conservatives don't always talk like this. Conservatives will usually say work hard, study harder, live by the rules. I agree with all those things, by the way, I think there can be a little bit more grit in this generation and all that. But I think it would be unfair and not true to act as if right now a twenty year old that you see Berkeley has the same set of circumstances that someone in the year two thousand and. 00:32:18 Speaker 2: Four head here. 00:32:18 Speaker 1: This is not true, and the lack of recognizing that, I think is some that creates even more cynicism and more anger. 00:32:27 Speaker 6: What exactly do you mean by college as a scam? 00:32:32 Speaker 2: Good question. I wrote a whole book about it. 00:32:34 Speaker 1: Largely the value proposition that you are being offered is not worth the time or the money that many of you are forking over. There's exceptions to that, generally, But for example, the vast majority of students that graduate from four year college, they'll end up getting a job if they get a job at all in a career, or a job that doesn't require a college degree. So henceforth asking the question why do they go to college in the first place? 00:32:57 Speaker 6: Ok Now, what do you mean about jobs that don't require a college degree. 00:33:01 Speaker 2: Like working at Starbucks as a barista? 00:33:04 Speaker 6: Okay, so what exactly do you mean by the value proposition not being sufficient for the cost of going to college? 00:33:18 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I mean going thirty forty fifty thousand dollars into debt. That's a significant thing, and hopefully if you're going to do that, you're going to be able to prove and have some value for that reason. So, for example, there was a study that came out in the last day the sixteen lowest. 00:33:35 Speaker 2: Paying job majors, and the. 00:33:38 Speaker 1: Vast majority of those are actually what kids study in college, right, communications, liberal arts, things of that nature. And so the question is why even go to college at all if you're just basically getting a credential that is worth less and less money in the marketplace. Now, if you study engineering, if you study finance, terrific. But the scam also is just beyond the financial value proposition. It's the ideological pollutants that are spread on college campuses and the let's just say some of the left wing doctrination that occurs here as well. 00:34:07 Speaker 6: Okay, So moving aside from that red herring there, I myself am a communication major, and I am very well aware of the communication majors who just take a four year degree and go into jobs that either don't require a degree or as. 00:34:28 Speaker 2: Close to the mikeuz panas, Ok, thank you, it's okay. 00:34:30 Speaker 6: Yeah, But anyways, I'm aware of the communication majors who only get a bachelor's degree and if they're lucky, they're only able to get research assistant jobs in communication, or not even get a job that requires a degree at all. But would not those who continue on to get masters and doctorates in communication, who get hundreds who get a one hundred thousand dollars a year or two hundred one thousand dollars a year research jobs. Would that not counteract the total economic associate economic value of those who just go into college and then end up Starbucks baristas potentially? 00:35:15 Speaker 2: Yeah? 00:35:15 Speaker 1: I mean also, master's degrees are expensive right, PhDs are expensive, so you're looking at least at one hundred and fifty two hundred thousand dollars in debt minimum. If you're going to do that, and if that's the path you want to take, so be it. But there are eleven million job openings in the country right now that pay eighty thousand dollars in more that don't require a college degree. Eleven million job openings. And I don't think we're always telling our young people, you know, the next generation, that. 00:35:39 Speaker 2: These jobs are available to you. 00:35:41 Speaker 1: It's an expectation that you go to four year college, and in fact, you're treated and almost considered to be dumb if you don't go to four year university. And I think that's a big mistake, and not to mention the vast majority of forty one percent of kids that enter college you're not graduate. 00:35:55 Speaker 2: There's something deeply wrong with the system. 00:35:57 Speaker 6: So from what you're telling me though, that point it. From what you're telling me, though, it sounds more like the problem lies not in college itself, but rather the individual paths that people choose, who look at a situation, make the wrong decisions, don't stay in school as long as they need to in order to get the career that they want. 00:36:21 Speaker 1: Or they drop out because they don't see the value. They drop out because they don't think it's worth their time. And again half of this audience, after ten years, if they get a job, they'll end up getting a job that didn't require them going to college in the first place. Half, that sounds like a scam. Why are they here in the first place. Why are they borrowing all this money and spending four years on a university just to go get a job that never would have required them to get the degree or the debt or the four years. 00:36:47 Speaker 2: Being spent on campus. Thanks to the time, I appreciate it. Thank you. 00:36:54 Speaker 5: For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to Charliekirk dot com.