Defending Charlie's Nominees and Charlie's Values

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The Charlie Kirk Show is proudly sponsored by Preserved Gold, leading gold and silver experts and the only precious metals company I recommend to my family, friends and viewers. 00:01:09 Speaker 3: All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. It's Friday, February thirteenth. It's an ominous sign, isn't it. That's like two of those a year. Yeah, well, you know, listen Friday the thirteenth. That's the thing. I want to start off today with the nomination of Jeremy carl in the Senate, Yes, as the Assistant Secretary of State of State for International Organizations, also referred to as Assistant Secretary of State. 00:01:34 Speaker 4: It's basically one of our guys that goes to the UN. And if that sounds like an odd thing to focus on, it's not because one of our roles with this show, one of the roles we have with Turning Point USA, is we want to perpetuate Charlie's legacy. And one of the most immediate legacies he's had he has is the people he fought to put in the administration that he campaigned for. Get these are some of my favorite people. Give them a job in the administration. We've had Sarah Rodgers on the show. She's one of the people he really wanted to literally just a superstar by she's amazing. Well, we're going to be having her on again soon. She's all sorts of exciting. 00:02:07 Speaker 3: Can I just say I was just I literally just did an interview with Politico before the show started, talking about Nate Morris in Kentucky and about how Charlie's endorsement of Nate is still propelling him forward in that race. So it looms large, and yes, to your point, this is an important one here with Jeremy Carle. 00:02:25 Speaker 4: So Jeremy's another one he wanted. He was a frequent guest in our show. He was the author of the Unprotected Class, which is one of those really strong calling out how anti white racism has become this pervasive thing in America. 00:02:37 Speaker 3: If you want to show that up. 00:02:38 Speaker 4: Not allowed to talk about it, but he did, and for that he's been facing per We'll just say, yeah, persecution, Yeah, because he went before a Senate panel and had these parasites trash him for doing this. So this is a clip from yesterday, Senator Chris Murphy. Let's play clip five point fifty. 00:02:57 Speaker 5: Mister carl I think it's just heartbreaking that you have been nominated for this position, that you've reached a panel before the United States Senate. One of the things you have said is that anti white discrimination is the most pervasive and politically salient form of racism today. 00:03:16 Speaker 6: Certainly This is my belief. I'm not running away from that. I think that while of course all races in different contexts can be subject to really severe discrimination, that when we look at our legal structures, white Americans are often very disfavored in overt ways. 00:03:33 Speaker 4: Which is objectively true. 00:03:35 Speaker 3: Completely the stance of this show. 00:03:37 Speaker 4: Yes, in California right now they're fighting to change their law to be explicit. Oh, can we actually legally discriminated against white people? It's too hard for us to do it in the shadows, but in plenty of other states it is explicitly legal. In our federal government, they've been doing it for ages, and they've been throwing temper tantrums at the Trump administration's attempts to roll it back, and he's highlighted that, and for that they put him in the docket and just try to humiliate him. 00:04:02 Speaker 3: Well, they're calling him a white supremacist, which is it's funny because he's and they're they're saying he's and an anti yes, anti Semitic. Well, Jeremy Carl grew up as a Jew, which is hilarious. You could show these image images five sixty five, sixty one. So, uh, this is Senator Rosen. The Jews love to see themselves as oppressed, is what he said, five sixty one. A post feminist war America is one of falling fertility, rapid rapidly rising out of wedlock, bursts, religious collapse, and an explosion of latchkey kids. 00:04:34 Speaker 4: A true, all true, all true. 00:04:36 Speaker 3: Uh. And that's uh shaheen uh, Senator shaheen. I don't know what the heck the problem is. It's like they think saying the truth is somehow beyond the pale. Now and what's funny is? And we what's the clip with Booker? This is? This is a fun one. Actually, let's start here. Five sixty two. I think this is, Senator Rosen, five sixty two. 00:04:58 Speaker 7: Mister Carl is infamous for delete thousands of his past tweets, But deleting tweets doesn't delete them. They recorded podcast interviews, public speeches, or editorials that he's done. As many of my colleagues have and will point out, mister Carl's vile anti Semitic comments are very real. Whether he not he tried to erase them or excuse them. Some may try to excuse mister Carl's remarks, claiming his words were taken out of context, that he never said them, and his own heritage protects him from criticism. So let me be clear. Identity does not excuse anti semitism. Identity does not excuse racism. Identity does not excuse hateful rhetoric. Regardless of who says them. Words matter, as my colleagues have said. 00:05:47 Speaker 4: And she goes on like that for about two minutes, and it's so disgusting to me because this is what they've fixated on. They're going to say, this guy is an anti Semite. So we can't appoint him to do President Trump's work at the UN or spoilers one of the main things we do at the UN, as we actually have to constantly fend off resolutions that they do to basically attack two groups. They love passing resolutions at the UN to attack Israel, and they love passing resolutions at the UN to attack like settler countries, which always include America. So they'll do these indigenous rights things, all of that, and he's made it very clear he's going to pursue that agenda. He obviously understands, as Charlie did, that a huge number of the attacks on Israel are ultimately attacks on Western civilization attacks on white people, like you know, through that coded lens, and they fixate on him because he's said things which Charlie himself did that are basically the constant fights over Israel often derail American politics and are not a good thing. That's what he said. 00:06:43 Speaker 3: Yeah, No, Jeremy carl is a completely mainstream America first, populous conservative guy. There's nothing, there's nothing that stand out about Jeremy in this sort of ideological sense. The only thing stand out about him is that he's going to be extremely effective in setting right a lot of the wrongs of the sort of you know, Transatlantic sort of liberal hegemony. 00:07:09 Speaker 8: Right. 00:07:09 Speaker 3: So here's one that I just love. This clip with Senator Corey Booker is just amazing, and we're going to prove just how stupid Senator Corey Booker is. On the other side, it's five twenty five. 00:07:21 Speaker 2: What do you mean when you say that you believe in the great replacement theory? 00:07:28 Speaker 5: Senator? 00:07:28 Speaker 6: Thank you for that question. This refers to the intentional demographic replacement of Europeans in Europe. It was invented by Renault Kamu, who was a French scholar. 00:07:43 Speaker 2: You think there's an active effort to quote unquote replace Americans right now. 00:07:50 Speaker 6: Senator, I think the demographic Party, through its immigration policies, has certainly settin signs of that. 00:07:56 Speaker 2: And I don't understand that. 00:07:58 Speaker 4: I don't understand that there was a great tweet that went viral and so good that, like so much discourse in America, is just the left pretending not to understand things, because of course they understand it. They'll brag about this. Oh, They'll have their meetings and they'll say, Okay, guys, here's the countdown until white people aren't you know politically. I mean, Gene Wu, you just had that thing. Hey, guys, we're actually the majority in this area. We should just take over like Wajah hot Ali. 00:08:24 Speaker 3: You know, the mistake you made was letting us in in the first place. There is literally hours of footage from just the two thousands of progressives going on television bragging about the browning of America and how we're gonna turn everything Democrat Party. This was the promise of the Obama years that the demographic shifts in America, we're going to deliver a permanent Democrat majority across the board because brown people vote Democrat. That was the whole point. 00:08:55 Speaker 4: There have been left wing NGOs that have literally had a chart that's tracing out the white percentage America in the future, and they highlight the year it goes below fifty percent. 00:09:04 Speaker 3: Yep. 00:09:04 Speaker 4: And so that's what's going on. And I want to just make sure we hit this in this segment that Utah Senator John Curtis, a former Democrat but somehow now got himself elected as a Republican, has said that for now he's opposing Jerry Carl's nomination after reviewing his record and participating in today's hearing. I'm not convinced that Jeremy Carl is the right person to represent our nation's best interest in international forums. And I find his anti Israel views and insensitive remarks about Jews unbecoming of the position for which he has been nominated. Curtis tells Deseret News, So we got rid of Romney and now we've got, you know, Tamu Romney here, John Curtis. So I'm gonna we're gonna hold our you know, most strident opposition to mister Curtis and hope he corrects course here. Hey, everyone, we're excited to tell you about Charlie's favorite supplement. If you experience brain fog, low energy, frequent illnesses, or if you just wake up stiff and achey every day, you've got to try strong cell. Charlie took it every single day, He frequently talked about it on the show, and he even traveled around the country bringing it with him. For Charlie, strong cell helped keep his mind sharp and focused for all the debates he was engaged in. 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We just played one in the first segment, but I want to play it again, and then I'm gonna juxtapose it with one of the all time favorite clips of Charlie on this show, five point twenty five and then five sixty three. 00:12:52 Speaker 2: What do you mean when you say that you believe in the great replacement theory? 00:12:58 Speaker 6: Senator, Thank you for that question. This refers to the intentional demographic replacement of Europeans in Europe. It was invented by Renaul Kamu, who was a French scholar. 00:13:13 Speaker 2: You think there's an active effort to quote unquote replace Americans right. 00:13:19 Speaker 6: Now, Senator, I think the Democratic Party, through its immigration policies, has certainly senttin signs of that. 00:13:27 Speaker 2: And I don't understand that. 00:13:30 Speaker 3: I don't understand this. I don't understand that. Five sixty three, here's the Castro Brothers great throwback. 00:13:37 Speaker 9: Texas is a very very republican state, but some people say the demographics are changing, and the demographics alone will make that it won't be so republican next time around. 00:13:48 Speaker 8: In a couple of presidential cycles, you'll be on election night, you'll be announcing that we're calling the thirty eight electoral votes of Texas for the Democratic nominee for president. It's changing. It's going to become a purple state and then a blue state because of the demographics, because of the population growth of folks from outside of Texas. No. 00:14:06 Speaker 10: I think that's right, but it's not going to happen on its own. The demographics are changing, but it's going to take a lot of work from Democrats to lay the infrastructure for change. So we're very busy working on that now. 00:14:18 Speaker 3: Oh, Okay, so the demographics are changing in Texas. That's how they plan to change Texas. Here's the truth. Democrats have not won the white vote in a national election, and they're highly aware. 00:14:29 Speaker 4: Of this in generations, so cannot win with the historical American population. So they have banked on bring in a new population. So what they do. They'll even write about, oh, the betrayal where they didn't do as well with a Hispanic vote in twenty twenty four, and like, oh, it's a betrayal because the plan might have gone awry, and they'll try to repeat it again. That's part of what the Biden operation was is if people are assimilating too quickly to not being Democrats, we might have to really flood the zone. Let's let in fifteen million people. AM going to see them. 00:15:03 Speaker 3: That'll lock it in well, and I'm going to have Danny pull this. 00:15:07 Speaker 9: Uh. 00:15:07 Speaker 3: Social security numbers. The Biden administration in twenty twenty four gave out a record number of social security numbers just to try and juice the election. I'm convinced. I mean we're talking. If we get the graph here, I really want to find it. It is stark. The difference between basically every other year, and then twenty twenty four they surged it. If you don't think for a second that they're not banking on demographic change to change the political future of this country, you are a fool and you're not paying attention. And I find this that younger conservatives understand this completely. The older you get, the more you're operating under an old paradigm where you I don't know if it's civil rights hangover there. You go, look at twenty twenty four, that's how many Social Security cards that the numbers that the Biden administration rushed surged to get out and candidly in twenty twenty five, it's still too high, but it was probably a backlog I'm told from you know, Biden pushing things through. So hopefully that number drops back down to where it should be. But that was intentional, right. 00:16:15 Speaker 4: Rush Like naturalizations too, they were trying to rubber stand as many new citizenships as soon as they could. This was covered in the New York Times and other publications. 00:16:25 Speaker 3: No, this this is a big thing. I think we wanted to highlight the Jeremy Carl instance because you know, we do this with DEI, we do this with trans You know, we looked at twenty twenty four as this great rebuke of the excesses of woke, the excesses of radical progressivism. And yet we see this with Mom Donnie, We see this in Seattle with their mayor Brandon Johnson. In Chicago, what happened in Minneapolis. Woke is not dead. Woke took a took a beating in twenty twenty four, and it has these little pockets of power, these strongholds, and they're going to regather their constitution and they're going to try and push out and expand again. And you just see this with the Democrats in the Senate about Jeremy carl a man once again, extremely competent, extremely qualified, who holds mainstream conservative views when it comes to race, populism, national sovereignty, immigration, replacement, immigration. These are not controversial at all for half of America. And they walk into that Senate chamber and they go completely hysterical, acting completely shocked about the fact that we think any of these things. This is not a surprise anymore. We know what's happening. You guys have been called on a ton and we have immunities. We built up immunities as a conservative movement to us garbage. 00:17:43 Speaker 4: Because apparently the senator from Utah. 00:17:46 Speaker 3: Is Listen, that's a whole other thing. Listen, the senator from Utah, Senator Curtis, throw up his picture, would you, so people know this guy's news. I believe he's the one replaced Romney. 00:17:58 Speaker 10: Uh. 00:17:59 Speaker 3: This guy has been and I mean I think he's kind of flown under the radar a little bit. Mostly. He's kind of gone along, get along, you know, to he goes along to get along mostly. And listen, if that's gonna be what your choice is in the Senate, fine, we'll live with it. But there has been so many troubling moments with this guy that he is a he is a squish, he is an establishment guy. Here's your offer. Don't do this with Jeremy Carl and we're gonna move on and we're gonna forget about you. We're not gonna forget, but we're gonna We're gonna let this one go. But man, if you try and draw a line on Jeremy Carl, we will make loud noises, we will continue coming after you. We will not forget mister Curtis, because this is obscene. And again we start, we'll end where we started. Charlie believed in Jeremy Carl. 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And then he's he's really getting vindicated because now with the New York Times coming out and some others admitting actually the rush to legalizing it and subsidizing it, he gets to take a back put in everyone big mistake. Saga, are you there yeah, take a little victory lap here for a second. 00:21:06 Speaker 11: Thank you very much. 00:21:06 Speaker 12: Gentlemen, Look, it's not a victory lap, because a victory lap for me is a tragedy for our country. We have, you know, millions, tens of millions, almost five percent of the US population, a significant part of our adult population, which is using marijuana, high potency marijuana on a daily basis. This is lebotomizing a significant portion of our population at lower's IQ, at lower's testosterone. It's dangerous for pregnant women. I mean, we can go down so many of the lists. The number one pushback that I get, and I will say, gentlemen, you may find this shocking. I have spoken about the most controversial issues of the time, ice, you know, BLM and everything. I have received hate mail many times, daylight savings, property tax. As you said, nothing inspires more hatred for me personally than talking about the ills of marijuana, and in particular, the one I hear the most is about so called medical benefits. I need to remind everyone that a massive study just came out not even three months ago, go written up by The New York Times, by JAMA major medical journals that shows that all of the claims, almost all the claims about medical marijuana are completely fake. And I think that what's something very insidious and dangerous about this drug is the worship of it by many of its users. People who are alcoholics do not try to justify their alcohol use by saying that it's curing them. 00:22:22 Speaker 11: It's a shameful activity. 00:22:23 Speaker 12: And frankly, I think it should be like if you need to drink every single day to function, like you have a real problem. And I think that exactly the same thing of marijuana, except its proponents will say that there's nothing wrong with that. Our cultural norms around marijuana are encouraging high potency indulgence by huge segments of our population. There is no proper regulation, and unfortunately, you know a significant part of both bipartisan America are being seduced by what is now big weed. I mean, these people make big Tobacco look like choir boys with the way that they have been lobbying not only this administration but others to Americans as hooked on this drug as possible, and to keep out responsible voices who are warning about its problems, just like Alex Bearnson did with Tell Your Children, which I highly recommend if you are a parent, you need to buy that book. You need to read it and need to keep your kids away from this substance. 00:23:15 Speaker 4: No, Sager. So we agree with you, but we get a lot of emails. We got several just yesterday from people, hate mail, but also people We had the ones who said, I got cancer or I have cancer and I take it and I think it helps with it a great deal. Do you think those stories are authentic or do you think they're confusing maybe other medical effects with marijuana. 00:23:38 Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean, Blake, as we've said, you know, the ANEC data is not data, and then the actual medical review of these claims does not hold scrutiny. And by the way, you know, one of the biggest pushbacks I get is like, why don't you talk about alcohol. 00:23:49 Speaker 11: I don't drink alcohol. 00:23:50 Speaker 12: I believe Charlie stayed away from it as well. You know, we all talked about that previously, and you know, I'll happily talk about some of the dangers of that. But again, alcohols are not trying to justify their alcohol use. You know, one of the things I've also warned about there was a more recent study I believe he was out of the state of Ohio or Michigan. I need to go back and to check, but it did show that a significant portion of driver debts whenever they checked their blood had high levels of THHC such potent enough for them to cause impairment in driving. People who you know, go after alcohol like to talk about correctly dwis and impair driving. But everybody seems to ignore that we have a significant enough cannabis crisis for people who are driving while high. Nobody, nobody is paying attention to these So I would just say to that person the same way I talk to people whenever I talk about the dangers of SSRIs. It may have made you feel as if it worked in that case, but in a longitudinal study we see that it does not hold even close to the same benefit, let's say, of things with not even near the amount of danger, like exercise and or diet. So these claims, while we can, you know, take individually, when we study them in the long term, we see that on the whole they do not hold up as promised and look like not to get leud. But just yesterday, you know, as a joke, I was tweeting about cannabis suppositories, which I did not know was a thing. And yeah, so that's that's a thing. It's extremely high potent. And you know, the criticism, my god, is like, you're making fun of cancer patients. And I went to the website which is selling these cannabis suppositories and what's the very first thing and it says a discrete ways to use cannabis, right, Like even the sellers are in on the joke, like they use medical marijuana as a claim to try and give it some veneer of health, when in reality, this is about addiction and it's a tragic story. You know, marijuana is not a costless drug. I highly recommend people, you know, read Alex Sperenson's book about psychosis. Check out Andrew Huberman's work on the topic as well. It's ruining your sleep if you're a young man, in particular, if you want to have a family, it's effect on testosterone, on your ability to have children. 00:25:57 Speaker 11: People are not telling you the truth. 00:25:59 Speaker 12: And then similarly, with a lot of pregnant women, Every pregnant woman in America knows you should stay away from alcohol. Unfortunately, because of this medical worship culture around marijuana, they are using marijuana in some cases for pain relief for others because they believe the propaganda of costlessness and it is already causing problems for children in the womb, not to mention the explosion of something called cannabis hypermesi syndrome, which you can all look up. Scrommating is an effect where you're just like significantly vomiting people, you know, children, teenagers and others who are vaping this very high potency drug. Ask any er doctor in your life, they will know exactly what I am talking about. 00:26:38 Speaker 11: This is a crisis. It's a full blown crisis. 00:26:40 Speaker 3: Well I think, yeah, I was going to say that. The two things that hit me what you're talking about, Sega is the driving while high This is I mean high school kids. This is a famous, famous thing for high school kids. They think it's like a joke. So I think you're absolutely right. We should make progress on passing laws that you know, maybe we already have them, but like actually in four them. So that's one thing, young men in the schizophrenia thing. You saw the Brett Cooper tweet that went viral, that's another because that THHG is so much more potent now than it was, you know, back in the sixties. And seventies. Here's here's the last pushback that we got as far as emails yesterday. And by the way, people feel free to email us Freedom at Charliekirk dot com give us your thoughts. I know a lot of you disagree with this. There's a libertarian streak in the conservative movement, especially when it comes to marijuana. They say, hey, listen, these things are all legal, cigarettes, drinking, you know, marijuana should be considered the same. What is your pushback directly to that libertarian like, just don't get you know, get off my lawn. Government, don't tell me what to do. Leave me. 00:27:39 Speaker 12: Look, I hear you, I hear you loud and clear. However, we accept as a society that total freedom would be anarchy, and so we have to have well established forms. And when your freedom begins to have high levels of societal costs and cause danger and medical crises and significantly ramp up, let's say, you know, violence in some cases. You know, by the way, we haven't even talked about the mass shooter angle. The number of mass shooters who are cannabis addicts is unbelievable, even though it's a relatively small subset. So SSRI certainly should be discussed, but that's another angle through which we should The point around it is that nobody is saying, at least me, I am not saying that you holding a dimebag should send you to jail. What I am saying is that we need very well established norms and regulation to keep these companies which are selling these products of extremely high potency with no limits on advertising, no actual analysis of its claims, no safeguards to try and keep it away from children. And I encourage people to try and to think in that way. This is a normative conversation in the beginning, Like, really, what I'm talking about here is culture, perhaps more than anything. The same way that we have conquered smoking in the United States largely, same with drinking. At some of the higher echelons of society, we've seen drinking come down significantly. 00:28:57 Speaker 11: We need to do the same thing with weed. 00:29:00 Speaker 4: I'm just thinking about the tragedy of like, because we had that peak where oh, actually marijuana is great, and in fact it has it has health benefits of anything. I'm thinking when we started to legalize it, it wasn't even just oh it's legal now. We were getting Democrats were having these bills to subsidize it so like former cunt convicted drug dealers, like black Americans could open their own weed stores, so we can have as many weed stores as possible in low income neighborhoods. And I'm just thinking, we're going to look back at this in ten years, fifteen twenty, and that'll be the new argument they used to prove why America's racist. They'll say, not only did they legalize weed, they subsidized putting weed into black neighborhood And it's going it's going to be so hard to explain. No, Actually, that is what liberals were doing well as a do gooder thing. 00:29:49 Speaker 3: You know. I'm thinking like Tyler Robinson and his like Lance Twigs. 00:29:53 Speaker 4: Yes, the Shooter and Tumblr Ridge the other Apparently it was like a bunch of you think. 00:29:57 Speaker 3: About the the delivery mechanism of modern weed with vaping versus you go back into your mind like what the hippies were doing. It's like the hippies you get around a you know, a bong and it would be like. 00:30:08 Speaker 4: They had like an actual plant and it took off some mountain. 00:30:11 Speaker 3: Now, but it was like it was like an almost it was just it took a lot more effort right to get around you had to you know, get it already. And now it's like, oh, you know, you're just sitting on the couch watching TV vaping and it's just the And by the way, the dosage is so much higher. It's like that, it's so much easier to make it a chronic repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat, kind of like usage thing. It becomes much more habitual. 00:30:35 Speaker 1: But another component of all of this which cannot be lost is that when marijuana is legalized, you invite corporate actors that are very, very good at making things addictive. The operative question, the most important question, will more people using weed make America a stronger, better, happier, more joyful country fifty years from now or less? So some people say it will make it that way. I completely disagree. I think the data is totally differ. 00:31:08 Speaker 4: That was Charlie on the marijuana threat. We obviously want to highlight that because he was a big fighter, even when it was super unpopular. 00:31:19 Speaker 1: With you. 00:31:20 Speaker 4: He was always a warrior. 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And remember y Refi doesn't care what your credit score is. Just go to yrefi dot com and tell them your friend Andrews sent you. 00:32:24 Speaker 4: We want to pivot into another topic because Sager is very good on this one as well. The Epstein files the infamous ones, but we wanted to have a specific cook. There was an opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal the other day by Barton Swain, and he argues the Jeffrey Epstein files were supposed to uncover the financiers, sex trafficking and blackmail operations. They haven't for the excellent reason that there were no such operations. So we've had guests from both sides of the spectrum, Sager, some arguing. Actually one argue the real villain in the story, he says, is Virginia Guffrey herself. That she was a fabulous and she kind of created the big conspiracy theories out of nothing, and like Epstein, Sezy Epstein might be sleazy, he did like underage girls, but that was the limit of what is wrongdoing was Now. I know you are have generally been a believer in we'll call it the big tent Epstein theory that there is a lot that is still hidden, a lot to be found. So what are you currently thinking with all the files that have been released? 00:33:22 Speaker 12: I understand that argument. However, I often find that they're arguing against a straw man, as if that was the only claim. 00:33:29 Speaker 11: Let's say in the Big ten community, let's say. 00:33:31 Speaker 12: That if you were to widen your aperture that the confirmation of the core claim, which was that Epstein was obviously involved in a highly powerful network that involved governments and intelligence agencies. That you really can't ignore all of the evidence that we now have, not only from the files, but from the previous release that would happen before, as a lot of as well as a lot of the information that was already in the open source environment. And so one of the things I find very frustrating is that yes, there became this kind of what I would call like a low IQ conspiracy, a client list where they would say blackmail tape, and then so he would write exactly next to it what he blackmailed for. I'm sorry, I mean, I think that's a very unsophisticated understanding of how power influence and yes, in some cases blackmail works. But it also ignores, frankly, the memo where Epstein memorialized to himself some very salacious claims that were made against Bill Gates and guys. I can tell you, having had access to tens of thousands of Epstein's hacked emails that I read through, I would venture to say I read through every single one. He was very often in the business of sending himself exactly these types of emails, memos, and others to memorialize certain conversations, send them to lawyers, and keep tabs on others. Individuals now smoking guns largely do not exist. For people who are in law enforcement will understand what I am saying. You have to be able to connect the dots. And what we see is not only all of the compromising photos that have been released let's say, of Lord Mandelssin, of Prince Andrew, many of these others rich and powerful people, but it really belies the you know what I would say, the ignoring by a lit lot of the people who don't want to see a bigger network here of Epstein's work with these intelligence agencies. And the reason why the intelligence agency question is central and the most important is that his usefulness to this very powerful network of government's intelligence agencies all across the world, not just one single intelligence agency, is what enabled him to get away with some of his more salacious activities that everybody else likes to focus on. 00:35:24 Speaker 3: Now, listen, I think I think the intelligence I tend to be. I lean more on your side here because the whole, his whole rise to power, his whole, how rich he got the less Wexner connections, this revelation that lex was has now been listed in the files as a co conspirator. The question about when are we going to see indictments? We're told actually yesterday by Chip Roy that he asked Pam Bondi specifically if some of these other investigations are ongoing, and can we expect some indictments. Apparently yes is the answer that they're working on on the Coke conspirators. But I tend to think that he was connected to Intel, and I agree there's this, let I think a low IQ take on what that means. It's like, here's your ten million dollars, now, you know, send these arm shipments over here, and then we're gonna like bury it over here. People think of it in very black and white terms. He was very good at insinuating, at at reminding people of what he knew. That he was keeping tabs on everything, and it's a soft power, and you're right, it enabled him to get away with this really gross lifestyle over the years. That was a you know, people kind of turn the other other cheek to So I tend to think I tend to agree that I think he was connected internationally I think he had a power play, But I do tend to think that the sex thing, which is what a lot of people hang their hat on, is probably less salacious than people want want to believe, because Virginia Guffrey was the one that recruited a lot of these young women, underage women, and they would they were taught to tell tell, you know, Jeffery Epstein, I'm eighteen and everything's fine, and put on makeup and dress a certain way. 00:37:03 Speaker 12: There's no question that Virginia Guffray had her own problems, Okay, And I don't want to, you know, totally besmirch the dead either. We shouldn't forget that she committed suicide and she really was driven toward she had a tortureius life, Okay, And we also saw a lot of images that showed that she did certainly have, you know, a lot of connections inside of Epstein's universe. But I want to come back to what you said, and then let's also do what investigators do. They rule out other possibilities. One of the reasons why rich people said they associated with Epstein was tax advice. Well, now we have access to millions of his emails. There's no tax advice in there. Zero Leon Black, the head of the Apollo Group who's worth nine billion dollars, said he paid him one hundred and fifty million dollars for tax advice. Can't find a single email of any tax advice. The only advice that I found is he found like a business insider article and sent it to one of his accountants. Sorry, that doesn't pass Mustard. Second, with Les Wexner, he was the greatest financial mind I've ever seen. 00:37:53 Speaker 11: As I said, I've read. 00:37:55 Speaker 12: His unredacted emails which I had gained access to. There is no sophisticated financial engineering going on. You can also read Jason Leopold over at Bloomberg News. He read through it. The only real thing that we can come away with how he made his money is either blackmail and other types of criminality. For example, what is UK politics exploding over right now? Insider trading over being given the tit heads up by Lord Mandelsson about an upcoming bailout. Similarly trading information, let's say with Prince Andrew, who is the time was the UK trade advisor. That is the actual glimpse into how he made his money. But remember the intelligence connection is important because it goes to the beginning. 00:38:34 Speaker 11: This is a. 00:38:34 Speaker 12: Person with a fake Austrian passport at the height of the Cold War, long before he is a multi millionaire or even a billionaire. Vienna, by the way, was what the capital of spies and the nexus of East and West. This is a person in a relationship with the Kashoge family, with the Least family, who are at the heart and center of Iran contra. This is a person who is involved in hundred million dollars Ponzi schemes, in some cases stealing some of the money from there, and an ex expert in money laundering, moving money across the globe, which is what enabled these arms deals with Israel with the coat de noir, with Russia, with everything that is his expertise. 00:39:10 Speaker 3: Blake, are you beginning to are you more convinced? That was pretty compelling from Seger, all those connects, the early stuff. 00:39:17 Speaker 4: So I think I've talked to you about this and other venue Sager, But I always wonder there's a person you might be familiar. I don't want to name him right now, but I kind of just wonder if maybe the skeleton key of Epstein is he's just a scammer, who's like almost a pathological like he's lying all of the time, and so it would make sense for him to like the answer to why he gets rich. New York Times wrote about this a few months ago that it seems the secret how he got riches he may have just kind of scammed people or robbed people. Well he ran yeah like less Wester basically says, oh, he embezzled money like he impressed me and then he just started stealing like crazy. And before you have the Internet, before you have as much financial sophistication as we have now, it was easier to get away with that reputation. More you might have more people who would say I got scammed and I have to sort of just shrug and go with it because otherwise I'm too humiliated to keep my business going. And I wonder if that is sort of the answer, And that could go to the Intel thing. What if it's less that he was super plugged in with Intel and more that he would let everyone believe he was super plugged in with Intel, and he he would feed this narrative like what if the answer is just Epstein was really charismatic, really good at tricking and leading people along robbin Bill. Yeah, Ultimate Connord. 00:40:29 Speaker 12: It would be possible if we didn't have evidence of him broker ing Israeli military sales. 00:40:34 Speaker 11: To Coote Devoir. That's another thing. 00:40:36 Speaker 12: Is not just kote of war to Mongolia making a security agreement between those two countries. He's at the nexus of an FSB agent who is a graduate, sorry at FSB, graduate of the academy in Russia, who becomes the head of a major economic development fund in Saint Petersburg, who he then later emails for help in getting rid of a woman who is blackmailing who very rich people in New York City incl sending her his address asking for help. 00:41:03 Speaker 11: I mean, I'm sorry, Like this does not pass the muster. 00:41:06 Speaker 12: Sorry if I shouldn't cot it curse, But you know, it doesn't pass muster for this idea that he was a scammer, because we have too much concrete evidence of his actual dealings with all of these arms trafficking networks, including with other intelligence agencies. Another very important email I found in the files. This is a file where you see an email exchange between Aud Barock, the former Prime Minister of Israel, and Epstein. Aud is meeting with the Katari investment fund right before Epstein says, by the way, please remind them I don't work from Masad. Right with a smiley face. 00:41:40 Speaker 11: That's there. 00:41:41 Speaker 12: Aud Barock says, you or I smiley and Epstein says both. And in these cases it's pretty clear that the Kataris thought he did work for Masad. Now, maybe, like you guys said, this is all part of an illusion, but there is a bit of a joking nature between aud Barock and his relationship here with Epstein. Aud Barock, by the way, was also the warmer ahead of the military intelligence. He helped Epstein, by the way, funded millions of dollars into one of his defense technology startups, a Pallanteer esque spywear type system, which we have long seen that we use private conduits people like Epstein to fund some of these black activities that happen outside of the normal official parameters of the CIA. By the way, you know, bringing it back to Iran contracts, maybe some of the audience doesn't even know what I'm talking about. The reason why Iran Contra was so significant is that it was the CIA and the intelligence community that was doing what it had always done, except now we're in a post Church Committee environment. So after the Church Committee, with real oversight by the United States government in Congress, they can no longer just you know, fund arms here, traffic some drugs there, send arms to overhear. What they have to do is use these arms dealing sketchy conduits like Epstein, like Koshogi, like we have Douglas Lee, so many others that we're implicated in the scheme. 00:42:58 Speaker 11: You need these. 00:42:59 Speaker 12: Individual The CIA cannot just open up a bank account that says CIA down in Nicaragua. You need people who are highly sophisticated money Launders. Jeffrey Epstein worked at bear Stearns under Ace Greenberg, remember, with zero experience. After supposedly meeting him while he was teaching his son at the Dalton School in the nineteen seventies, CEO of bear Stearns hires him, and he gets fired from bear Stearns allegedly because you know, dealing in some of these sketchy activities. But it's not like he's cut out entirely. He goes and he opens his own investment management fund, except there's no evidence of any real investments or anything made. In the nineteen eighties, he declares that he will only manage the money if people worth over one billion dollars. 00:43:41 Speaker 11: Which is extraordinary. 00:43:42 Speaker 12: There were like eleven people in the world who were worth one billion dollars or so at that time. Nothing passes the smell test in every single one of these cases, and it all points to a very sophisticated what I think is a money laundering operation that at times intersected with the intelligence community the CIA. By the way of the important things from the files is Epstein foyering the CIA for any mention of himself in the year nineteen ninety nine so, and then again in the year twenty eleven. 00:44:09 Speaker 3: Well, so, I think that I think my conclusion here is approximately this that when you are a business and you put out an RFP right for a request for proposal, and there's a couple of different people that could meet your needs, and then they send you back what they can do, and then you pick one. I think Epstein was just a gun for hire out there that if you wanted to do something sketchy, maybe he could. He could kind of facilitate it here, make it look kind of up by the books or whatever, and that was about it. And he knew a lot of people, so he had a lot of connections. He was sort of a known commodity in this sort of CD underworld and that, you know, but he kept an air of being a legitimate financier. I think, you know, so what did he work for Masad? Sometimes? Did he work for the CIA? Sometimes like did he work for the Russians? Sometimes I have one last question for Segar and then we've got a probably like one minute. So at this hearing with Pam BONDI, you had all these victims stand up behind. But then I find out because I was looking at Michael Tracy's Twitter, they were all adults at the time when the you know, sexual activities happened. They were getting money, some of them were getting cars, kickbacks, whatever, tuition. What how is this different than just prostitution, which would be sort of consensual. I'm confused there because victims, wouldn't you think that they're underage or something? 00:45:38 Speaker 12: What's your take on that, well, Andrew, I would challenge you very hard on that. Mean I thought we were here on a conservative show. I don't believe that there is any such thing really as like consensual well or not deeply exploitative. 00:45:51 Speaker 3: Isn't any I think it's incredibly deeply exploited. If but but again it gets to this point of I think I'm what I'm pushing back against is this idea that there were like I think because the narrative is that there's all these underage girls that got you know, trapped and drugged and done. 00:46:10 Speaker 4: To do things against sacrifice. 00:46:12 Speaker 3: Yeah, like and really it was basic prostitution, is what it seems like he would know it was. 00:46:16 Speaker 12: Basic prostitution in the cases that you're talking about. But remember even in the original indictment in which he ends up where he's charged that he does admit to a seventeen year old and a fourteen year old was also there. It's all in the documents. You can go, yeah and reach other sat but I just yeah, no, no, no, I really just pushed back hard against this idea because like, flying women across the world to have sex with them is an express violation of the man at Oh and also I believe it conservatives we have to stand up and be like absolutely not, like we protect women who are being deeply exploited in these Eastern European countries, sold false bills of goods, who are saying they're going to some model being pressured on an island like you're saying in the nineteen nineties or in the two thousands, when there's no internet or able to escape. So you know, I'm look, I may be getting a bit prickly on this, but you know, just because people are of age doesn't mean that they're not being exploited. 00:47:07 Speaker 3: No, I don't, and that happens all across the count degree. You're not getting prickly, No, I agree with that. When I'm pushing it back against is this I think there's this. It's just a narrative around Epstein where it's just all of these I think you just assume it's underage and they were all fourteen, and then you find out Virginia was recruiting them. Anyways, we gotta go, Sega. It's been wonderful having you my friend. Thanks Blake for setting it up. Of course, we'll have you on chatting with you. 00:47:36 Speaker 4: For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to Charlie Kirk dot com.