CAIR’s Mobilization + The Woke Crusade Backfires

00:00:03 Speaker 1: My name is Charlie Kirk. 00:00:05 Speaker 2: I run the largest pro-American student organization in the country fighting for the future of our republic. My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth. If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're going to end up miserable. But if the most important thing is doing good, you will end up purposeful. College is a scam, everybody. 00:00:26 Speaker 3: You got to stop sending your kids to college. 00:00:27 Speaker 4: You should get married as. 00:00:28 Speaker 2: Young as possible and have as many kids as possible. Go start a Turning Point USA college chapter. Go start a Turning Point USA high school chapter. Go find out how your church can get involved. Sign up and become an activist. I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade. Most important decision I ever made in my life, and I encourage you to do the same. 00:00:45 Speaker 3: Here I am. 00:00:46 Speaker 4: Lord, use me. 00:00:48 Speaker 3: Buckle up, everybody. Here we go. 00:00:56 Speaker 2: Noble Gold Investments is the official gold sponsor of The Charlie Kirk Show. a company that specializes in gold IRAs and physical delivery of precious metals. Learn how you could protect your wealth with Noble Gold Investments at noblegoldinvestments.com. That is noblegoldinvestments.com. 00:01:17 Speaker 4: All right. Welcome, everybody. It is Monday, September 21st, 2026. We're here at the YRefi Studios in Phoenix, Arizona. Blake is on assignment today. So we're holding it down without Blake, but we'll see him tomorrow. Just texting with him. He's still active. He's still there. Anyways, we're going to get right into it. You saw those clips. Today is the one-year anniversary of the memorial where we honor Charlie's life and legacy. A truly powerful, historic, memorable day. And so the team put together those clips for the cold open. I hope you enjoyed it. It brought back a lot of memories sitting here. And so send me your thoughts, freedomofcharliekirk.com. What do you remember from that day? Do you still think about it? I still think about it all the time. One of the final endorsements that Charlie made was in the state of Florida. We obviously have Andy Biggs here in Arizona, but he also endorsed Byron Donalds for governor of the great state of Florida. And Byron is joining us now. Congressman, future governor of the great state of Florida, the Sunshine State. Welcome back to the show. It's good to have you, my friend. How are we doing over there? 00:02:28 Speaker 3: It's good to be back with you. 00:02:29 Speaker 5: Look, we're doing really good in Florida, 42 days to go to Election Day. 00:02:35 Speaker 3: By the way, for the. 00:02:36 Speaker 5: Folks in Arizona, make sure you get out and vote for Andy Biggs. He's a real leader who is going to make sure that Arizona. 00:02:43 Speaker 3: Gets on the right track. 00:02:44 Speaker 5: But here in Florida, I mean, we're just working hard every day, crisscrossing the state, talking to voters. 00:02:49 Speaker 3: We share our events online. 00:02:51 Speaker 5: We do live events with active Q & A from the voters of our great state because we want people to be able not just to ask their question, but to actually get a real policy response about how we're going to have the best state in America continue to be the best state in America while we drive down costs for young people and for seniors on fixed income in our state. 00:03:13 Speaker 4: Well, listen, I think it's a really important thing you just said, that you are going straight to the voters. It's open Q & A. Ask your questions. I'm going to give you back an answer because we had a phone call from somebody in your state on Friday and she wanted to know how she could get more involved, get her friends to come out and vote for you. And I think it just perplexed a lot of our audience. We're going, wait, Florida, the best run state in the country. Is there a real chance that they could go the other way? Like, why would why would Florida go any other direction other than the direction it's already going in? And so I started diving into it over the weekend, Byron, and I found out that your opponent, David Jolly, what a name, by the way, he won't even debate you. He will not debate you. I'm going to play the clip, and I'm going to let you respond on the other side. Sot 7. 00:04:03 Speaker 6: You and Byron Donalds are now debating about debates. His campaign says it has accepted three offers. Your campaign says it has accepted. 00:04:13 Speaker 3: Two different ones. 00:04:15 Speaker 6: But with Election Day getting closer, you still have not agreed to be on the same stage. Why is this so complicated? Are you confident a debate will take place? 00:04:26 Speaker 7: I'm not. 00:04:26 Speaker 8: Today I said that I won't debate Byron Donalds in the general election. I think he's acting with bad faith and continues to peddle lies. And, Rev, you can't debate a liar. I learned that early in politics. It's clear based on the tenor of these campaigns, debates would only hurt the public discourse in the state, not improve it. 00:04:43 Speaker 4: What is he talking about, Byron Donalds? 00:04:46 Speaker 3: One, I don't really know. 00:04:47 Speaker 5: Two, it just demonstrates he's scared to get on stage and talk about the real ideas that are going to continue to make Florida the best state in America. David Jolly is somebody that when Ron DeSantis kept Florida open, David Jolly packed his bags and went to Pennsylvania. 00:05:02 Speaker 3: He said that Dr. 00:05:03 Speaker 5: Fauci had better judgment than Ron DeSantis did. Obviously, we know that was a complete and flat out lie. David Jolly has also talked about his insurance plan, which is a government takeover of all wind insurance in the state of Florida. There was an independent analysis of a plan like that. done by Florida State University. And Florida State was very clear in their analysis. A government takeover of wind insurance would actually raise premiums, double digits in some areas, more than 100% on Floridians. And on top of the premium rate increases, there would be a hurricane tax of about $ 1, 000 per family in Florida, regardless if they got hit by the hurricane or not. And so on a debate stage, there would be no ability for him to walk this stuff back And so I think that's why he's running from these debates. His policies and his ideas are not in step with what Floridians are looking for. They want common sense, conservative policy that has made us the best state in America. And David Jolly is really just a Trojan horse for the radical left Democrats and the Democrat socialists of America. 00:06:08 Speaker 4: Well, obviously, and the fact that he's calling you a liar, it's like, if you think that Byron Donalds is a liar, David Jolly, why don't you tell him that to his face? I mean, it's a simple solution and you can then get a chance to rebut. That's the way this is supposed to work. And how is having a debate? Talk about an anti Charlie Kirk stance. Having a debate is only going to harm the public discourse. That's really his cope. That's really his excuse here. But you bring up this issue of this property because obviously you guys got a lot of hurricanes there. Right. I know that getting insurance is a huge issue. It has been. Governor DeSantis has been working on it. There was legislation passed in 2022, 2023, the tort reforms. So this is very interesting. He wants to create a sovereign, kind of like a state sovereign fund that everybody's on the hook for every hurricane. Is that basically what it becomes? 00:07:04 Speaker 5: That is exactly what it becomes. He calls it a sovereign fund. He calls it a sovereign wealth fund, but the problem is he doesn't have any wealth to put in it. What it would require is that you would have to tax... insurance companies. And look, I'm no special pleader for the insurance industry whatsoever. 00:07:19 Speaker 3: But let's also be clear, if you take. 00:07:22 Speaker 5: Away wind insurance from the insurance company, there is no profits to tax. So he doesn't even know how to fund his plan. Number two, what he wants to do is he wants to put a tax on home ownership in the state of Florida. He said that he wants to put a new fee on dock stamps, which is the transaction mechanism for when people close on property in Florida. So we're trying to lower the cost of housing. He wants to put a new tax on housing. Number three, he wants to take tax money from local governments through tourist development taxes, money that's supposed to go for promoting Florida with respect to tourism in our state. He wants to take that to fund his plan. And Andrew, look, he can use all that revenue and it would still take him 10 years to create the fund that he needs. So when the next hurricane comes, what's going to happen is that the people of Florida will be left holding the back. That's a single mom in Orlando trying to make ends meet, and she has car insurance. She would be assessed $ 1, 000. A family of five in Miami-Dade County that didn't even get hit by a hurricane, they would be hit with $ 1, 000 assessments. A family of four in Jacksonville, they're nowhere close to the hurricane. They would be hit with $ 1, 000 assessments. because of what David Jolly wants to do. It's a terrible plan. Everybody knows it's a terrible plan. My plan is just bringing down the bill. We can bring down premiums 20% in the state of Florida with some common sense reforms to our regulatory system, keeping the tort reform that Governor DeSantis put into place, restructuring our home hardening programs to be focused on older homes that need to be more secure. And then the last piece is, When a storm comes, you get your permits automatically. You don't have to wait for local government or FEMA to give you the permit. You get it automatically. That's how we bring down the cost of insurance in our state. What David Jolly has is a government takeover. And we all know what happens when the government takes over. The premiums go higher. The services get worse. That's not what the people of Florida need. 00:09:20 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it just inserts a bunch of inefficiency and bureaucracy. And it's interesting. I mean, creating a wealth fund to share the burden, I guess, makes some sense. But then when you realize everybody's just basically going to get a thousand dollar tax, then you're kind of scratching your head going, this seems like big government sucks all over again. 00:09:41 Speaker 9: Speaking of campaigning, would you want to have Kamala Harris come and campaign with you? 00:09:45 Speaker 8: I would welcome anybody in today's Democratic Party. I would also welcome Republican support. The fact is, I think that Kamala Harris should have beaten Donald Trump. 00:09:57 Speaker 4: Okay, David Jolly. We are joined by Congressman Byron Donalds, who is campaigning and doing a great job to be the next governor of the great state of Florida. And I just compel you Floridians. This isn't even a choice. You have the best run state in the country. And here is a man that is going to continue and expand on all those gains. Do not turn back. I feel like I'm like, you know, Lot and his wife. Don't turn back and you get turned into a pillar of salt. Trust me. I used to live in California. You do not want that. By the way, speaking of California, you know, they have something similar, right, with all these fires and the fire insurance. And so in order to get fire insurance in California, it's very difficult. So the state has created this, you know, state plan. And if you live in one of these houses where you need to get the state plan, I mean, it is exorbitantly expensive to get this. But it's the only way to get insurance because all the insurers have fled the state. So how do you make sure that insurance– because this is a huge issue in Florida. Outsiders are not necessarily– they're not as attuned to this issue. But in Florida, because of the hurricanes– and this is a really big topic– how do you ensure that you actually keep the competition high? Because I was looking through your policy, and one of the key pillars of it, and Governor DeSantis– It's keeping competition high because we all know that gives better services and it helps drive down costs. What's the mechanism for that? 00:11:16 Speaker 5: Well, the first part of that is that you have to be able to make sure that premiums are competitive. What happened in California, you brought it up, is they went to rate caps in California. And so in order to drive affordability, they said, well, let's just cap the rate artificially. Well, what happened was the insurance company said, yeah, we're just not going to write the insurance and they left. 00:11:37 Speaker 3: So then they went to that state fund and the state fund is way more expensive. 00:11:40 Speaker 4: It's so expensive. 00:11:42 Speaker 3: And the coverage sucks and it doesn't work. 00:11:44 Speaker 5: And now they're realizing the error of that ways after the last set of wildfires in the Palisades. So how you do that is you keep our regulatory system as a common sense one. You do hold insurance companies accountable. Let's be clear. 00:11:57 Speaker 3: They have a responsibility. 00:11:58 Speaker 5: If they're going to take the premiums when times are good, they have a responsibility to be there when the times are bad. And so that's the way you hold them accountable. It's to make sure that they continue working through the claims process and being responsive to the policyholders, the customers that they have. 00:12:13 Speaker 3: But it's about regulation at its core. 00:12:16 Speaker 5: You can't have a crazy regulatory system or government takeover because you're never going to have more carriers come in. 00:12:22 Speaker 3: The last piece is around what it takes to build housing. 00:12:26 Speaker 5: A lot gets talked about building affordable housing, building entry-level housing. A lot of that is government permitting. We want to reform permitting and planning in the state of Florida. We want to drive down the timetable of what it costs to buy a piece of property and then to go and construct that home. Across the country, it's about two years to put a shovel in the ground. In Florida, it's about two years to put a shovel in the ground. And that timetable is not free. So we want to shrink those two years down while still providing a property that is structurally sound to protect against hurricanes and other elements, but also that lowers the cost of construction. If you can get the cost of construction down while also having common sense regulations that protect consumers but drive down premiums, that's how you can afford insurance in our state. Governor DeSantis already started this with the tort reform. He did a couple of years. He talked about that in the last segment. We want to build upon that with regulatory reforms and changes to continue to drive down premiums. 00:13:21 Speaker 4: That's the whole craziest part about this race, Congressman, is that you have the most successful state in the country and in some sense you're almost a victim of your own success because so many people moved to florida right so now you have housing shortage because of the success right i guess the democrat answer is like let's give in to malaise and big government and create these like funds and you know it's going to cost all this money just like california and then it will be terrible again and people move out and relief the housing problem like that is that is that their answer it's just make things awful and to be honest yeah go ahead. 00:13:58 Speaker 5: I mean, to be honest, I don't know what their answer is. I mean, look, David Jolly doesn't even put out details. He just says things like sovereign wealth fund or renaissance and education. I mean, those things sound good, but where are the details? There are never any details with this guy. I told you before, we do town halls just about every single day. We post them on live. We go live on X and on our social media. David Jolly doesn't post any events. 00:14:20 Speaker 3: He posts pictures. No Q & A. You can never see a video. 00:14:24 Speaker 5: Of him answering a question of a voter in our state. And so the broader thing, people love Florida. Even our Democrats love Florida. So what we tell people all the time is Florida is. 00:14:35 Speaker 3: Not an accident. 00:14:36 Speaker 5: We have had common sense conservative leadership like Governor DeSantis who has made us the state that we are. The question for the voters of Florida is do you want the same common sense conservative leadership that has made us better than the other 49 states? Because I know that our people do not want New York. They do not want Illinois. They definitely don't want California. So many people have come to our state leaving those areas. And so now that you're here, let's make sure we keep Florida as the best state in America. 00:15:05 Speaker 4: Well, exactly. So when I'm looking at a list of his sort of solutions, whether it's education, he wants to pour a bunch of more money into the public school system as opposed to the school choice, which, by the way, is such a huge deal, such a huge deal. If you're a parent, it's the biggest deal there is. And there's this whole Nicole Hannah-Jones thing. op-ed that we're going to get into later in the show, which is basically an example of why the public school system is failing. He wants to double down on a failing system. Florida has a great system. But every single example of his is just big government ideas from failed, blue, malaise states, and he wants to bring it back. You would think that the people of common sense because they all fled those states not to give in to the siren song of big government. That's all of his solutions, big government. 00:15:59 Speaker 3: I agree. 00:15:59 Speaker 5: I believe that the people of Florida are smarter than that. But also, one thing, you talked about his plan to just pour a bunch of money back into public schools. People should know this. David Jolly uses the scholarship program for his own children. So while he's using school choice for his own children, he is bashing school choice in our state. This is the hypocrisy that comes from somebody who was a Republican, then an Independent, then a Democrat. 00:16:25 Speaker 3: This guy's a D.C. 00:16:26 Speaker 5: Lobbyist who basically took money from any type of special interest group you could find to make money for himself. But now he wants to run as a Democrat. And by the way, he became a Democrat last year, a month before he filed to run for governor as a Democrat. This is a guy who's the very worst of politics. He will say anything just to be able to get more support. And I believe the people of Florida are going to reject him and they're going to reject the Democrats once again in November. 00:16:55 Speaker 4: I mean, well said. I mean, this guy wants Kamala Harris to go campaign with him. Like you want to talk about, listen, you should bring it. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Please come, come by the way. Here's the thing. It's, You look for people and their character and their good choices and their wisdom and their prudence. And this guy just time and time again, he's going back to failed policies, failed prescriptions for problems that Florida's fixed a long time ago. So we're begging you, Florida, get behind our friend, one of the last candidates that Charlie endorsed, and that is Byron Donalds for governor of the great state of Florida. Byron, how do people support you? Last 20 seconds. 00:17:34 Speaker 5: Let's go to ByronDonalds.com. Follow us on social media at Byron Donalds. And go onto your phones, tell 10 people, you know what, Byron's the person we need to be the next governor of Florida. 00:17:43 Speaker 3: You tell them, make sure they get out and vote. Amen. 00:17:46 Speaker 4: You said 42 days? What are we at now? 42 days. This is critical. Byron's got to get in. Biggs has got to get in. We're going to be the Florida of the West here, Byron, I will tell you. And you guys are going to remain Florida. There are 31,407 kindergartners starting school this month. who wouldn't be alive if it hadn't been for what Preborn did in 2020. That's an amazing number, 31,407. That's how many babies were saved that year because of the gifts of ultrasounds from people just like you. Backpacks, lunchboxes, five years of love because a young woman chose life for her baby. 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We're hiring like dozens and dozens, but really hundreds and hundreds of staffers. We had a great update last week. We've got trainings going on weekly. These people are getting deployed out into the field in Nevada, New Hampshire, Arizona, going door knocking, sending texts, a massive, massive push. We're also doing ads. The TP PAC is doing a lot of ads all over the place. We're going to tell you some updates there. But then in the midst of this, Tyler Boyer, you sent me this note and it, you've tweeted about it of course too, but it looks like care, which is the, the Muslim group. We'll just sum it up like that. They are working to turn out Democrats and they are working to, to turn out 3 million Muslims, 3 million Muslims. with an M million Muslims for this midterm cycle. And then into 2028, 3 million. Why did you flag this Tyler Boyer? And what do you think is important for our audience to know? 00:20:22 Speaker 3: Yeah, no. 00:20:23 Speaker 10: I mean, so we are in this dog fight, registering voters across all the key target States. We're deeply entrenched in these key target States. We're in all 10 of the most important States. We've registered tens of thousands of voters in these States and And we know how hard it is to register voters, how much it costs, everything else. Muslims.vote popped up on our radar, a website that is funded by CARE. So that's the Council of American Islamic Relations. You probably remember talking about CARE a lot. 00:20:53 Speaker 4: It ties to the Muslim Brotherhood, allegedly. 00:20:56 Speaker 10: About 15 years ago, especially during the Obama reign, CARE got a ton of funding. this is where we started to see on campus, on college campuses, all these different groups that were like pro-jihadi groups, really anti-Semitic groups, really anti-American groups that were showing up on campus across America. And this was all funded essentially by CARE. CARE is now in the game of turning out voters. So this was an influence campaign 15 years ago. Now it's a hard-nosed get-out-the-vote campaign that CARE is involved with. This is totally foreign money, to your point. 00:21:35 Speaker 4: And this is what flips states. Three million votes. That's so many votes, people. 00:21:39 Speaker 10: I want to recall 2020, even 2024, most of America, the presidential election was decided in four or five key states that were less than tens of thousands of votes. So imagine what three million votes in Michigan, Texas, Arizona, Nevada, Wisconsin, Minnesota, what Pennsylvania, what that could do to the future of America. And this is exactly what they're funding with probably close to a billion dollars or more that is just set aside just to influence American elections through care. 00:22:15 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:22:15 Speaker 4: If you think about 2016, 2016 was basically flipped. President Trump became president because of about 40,000 votes in three states, 40,000. So you get 3 million Muslims voting in block for Democrats and That's a bad deal, okay? And if you think about 2024, they didn't like Joe Biden and Kamala Harris in states like Michigan because of the backing of Israel. Well, now who do they not like? They don't like Trump, okay? They don't like Republicans now. So that whole voting bloc is going Democrat, Democrat hard. So remember, this is what Charlie believed. I totally agree with it. Muslims don't come here to follow our laws. They don't come here to fit in. And they don't, try and embrace what America is. They try and turn America into the countries they left. Sharia law, all of that stuff. We're not bringing in opportunity with Muslims. We're bringing in division. And now they're saying, we're starting to get significant enough numbers in this country that we can turn out 3 million voters and we can turn full elections. So now we let this problem in and we've let the third world in and we've let Muslims in and now they can vote. Now they can vote. So that kind of brings up a second point, Tyler. What is so critically important is that these other immigrant constituencies, these newcomers to the country, some of them are more reachable, namely Hispanics. So what is Turning Point doing, Turning Point Action, Turning Point PAC doing to reach Hispanics? 00:23:45 Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, look, this is the future of the country. So if nothing is that if President Trump doesn't get elected in 2024, we have a porous border. Obviously, we have Kamala going pedal to the metal. letting in illegals across the country. We actually have the battle of America right now is American citizens that are of Hispanic descent actually siding with President Trump and saying, whoa, we shouldn't just open up the borders and let anyone into this country. That's not why I came here for if they're a first or second generation American. That's not what my family came here for. Our family came here the right way. We did it the right way, and we built a business, and my business should be around... Because the first people that are impacted by illegal immigration are those in the same communities, Hispanic communities in general, and minority communities in general. Those are the most impacted right away. They take the jobs. They bring the crime. Drugs come over the border. In Arizona, you have cartels. 00:24:47 Speaker 4: And so you have. 00:24:50 Speaker 10: ahead of the 2032 election and really the 2030 census, where all of this matters, the 2020 election will determine who becomes president and then lets in basically millions more Islamists and millions more illegal immigrants that will impact. So the fight right now that exists is that we have to instill American values very quickly with those that are on our side, particularly in the Hispanic communities, to help fight this battle. Because a lot of them we talk to, and we're talking to doors in Arizona and Nevada, they're not even totally aware of, again, this Islamist movement. They're not even totally aware of the trans movement that's happening. They're aware that they're against it. They're totally against it. The third rung of that is the illegal immigration issue, which they are aware of. Some of them have become like, yeah, man, I've got my business... I mean, there's a myriad of businesses, especially here in states like Arizona, where it's, you know, in construction and, you know, landscaping. And I mean, there's all sorts of different things, right? Handyman businesses, small businesses like restaurants and things like that, that the Hispanic community generally has a ton. They're thriving in those. And the moment you have a conversation with them, like, hey, are you supportive of just like literally millions of more people coming across the border here in Arizona? and impacting your business negatively, the answer almost 95% of the time is an immediate no. 00:26:25 Speaker 4: One of the biggest shockers, I think, for people was that President Trump's hard stance on immigration actually resonated with Hispanics. 00:26:32 Speaker 5: No. 00:26:32 Speaker 4: Because they know what they fled from. 00:26:34 Speaker 10: So now, Andrew, take that to the next step. When we start having conversations with people like, okay, we know you're against that, right? Most like vast majority of people with a brain that are born with a brain are against, you know, illegals coming in and just taking your business and your house and your whatever, right. And your jobs, everything, right. 00:26:49 Speaker 4: Your resources. 00:26:50 Speaker 10: When you have to start having a conversation now, how do you feel about, about Islamists coming into your country and doing that? It's like 120% of the, of the, of the elect, the body electorate. 00:27:01 Speaker 4: It says, no, I think the good Lord in heaven all the time that, South of the border is not filled with Muslims. Thankfully, Hispanics are largely Catholic or Protestant. Can you imagine if we had the same problem that Europe has but in America? I mean, we've had far more immigration to America. Can you imagine if that for years had been Muslim immigration? Thank the good Lord that it has been Christians, okay? You guys have come out with Turning Point Pack. It has this ad in Spanish, 152. We'll just do it in B-roll because, you know, what's the point of doing it in Spanish? But I think this is brilliant. We're reaching out to Spanish speakers in the state of Arizona, which, okay, yeah, they should probably speak English. But listen, we didn't set up this system. We didn't let them in. They're already here. And they're voting. And guess what? Katie Hobbs, she vetoed no tax on tips. She vetoed this three times. So many of the businesses, many of the jobs that Hispanics have, Katie Hobbs has been actively working against their financial interests. And I don't think that they realize this. So you've got to get to them and say, listen, one of the reasons you feel this pinch is because Katie Hobbs has been working against you because she wants more of your money, even low-class, middle-class, upwardly mobile Hispanics. 00:28:19 Speaker 10: And this is the conversation to have with every neighbor. It doesn't matter what background they are, but every neighbor is, do you want a country where you have candidates like Katie Hobbs who are bringing in pro-illegal sentiment into your state. That's including drugs, cartels, crime, everything. Two, pro-Islamist mentality. Obviously, we just discussed that. 00:28:47 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, if you're a Democrat, you're not allowed to say anything negative about Islam. You have to be nice to everybody except white people. 00:28:54 Speaker 10: Do you know how many Muslims survive in Mexico? 00:28:57 Speaker 7: No. 00:28:58 Speaker 4: Not much. 00:28:59 Speaker 10: Mexico City is a large city that does not does not put up with Islam. You know why? Because the Catholic community is so strong in Mexico City. 00:29:08 Speaker 4: Well, also, let's be honest, Muslims want to immigrate to Western first world countries because they want to take them over. 00:29:14 Speaker 10: But look, but here, I mean, the strategy is like, they haven't survived because Catholicism is strong, stronger in Mexico City than it is in almost any city in America. 00:29:26 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:29:26 Speaker 10: Charlie said this best. We have, we don't have a, Our biggest problem in America is that we have a lack of religion problem in an established Christian country. 00:29:36 Speaker 4: And the left keeps talking about it like... the Christians are going to swamp everybody. Listen, we need more church. We need more Christians. We need more faith in this country. Alright, so listen, our door knockers are going out in the field. People do not understand how much work goes on around here. I truly believe this. I actually want to read part of my tweet here. Look at this. Chase the vote. I should probably give you guys a visual here. But check this out. Chase the vote. New hire training in our key states this week. On top of the hundreds and hundreds that are already deployed, we trained 72 new people in Arizona. You get them trained, they go out into the field and start knocking on doors, texting, making relationships. 13 new hires trained in New Hampshire. And this week we're going to do 28 more in Nevada. We also launched Freedom Ticket, so tpaction.com slash freedom. 00:30:30 Speaker 10: Just to put this in perspective, Andrew, all three of those states, if that's all we had hired, that would be the biggest team in all three of those states. 00:30:37 Speaker 4: That's an indictment of the conservative movement. 00:30:39 Speaker 10: But, I mean, just any group, I think we would be bigger than just about anybody. But that's just one week. 00:30:45 Speaker 4: Fair enough. So tell us about tpaction.com slash freedom. This thing almost crashed our server over when we launched it last week. tpaction.com, it's the Freedom Ticket. tpaction.com slash freedom. 00:30:57 Speaker 10: So we're wanting to go live with this in all the swing states by 2028. So this is our first launch, our first iteration into it. So tpaction.com slash freedom. You go there, you plug in your address, and it spits out exactly all of the people you need. 00:31:13 Speaker 3: To vote for. 00:31:14 Speaker 10: On your ballot, there's usually a lot of different things. There's propositions, there's judges, there's nonpartisan races that you never know. So the biggest issue that actually that we've surveyed from people when we talk to them, they go, yeah, of course, I know who to vote for top of ticket. And I know the big battles for Senate and governor and president and things like that. But I don't know who to vote for for city council. And yeah, and not enough education is done on the Republican side for that. It's just the money thing. 00:31:46 Speaker 8: Right. 00:31:46 Speaker 10: And so we have built the first ever tool where you go in again, you go to TPAction.com slash freedom. That's tpaction.com slash freedom if you're in Arizona, Nevada, or New Hampshire, and you can see exactly who to vote for. Now, if you're not in one of those three states, again, you can go take a look at it. You can see other people using it. Plug in an address for one of those states. You can see how it works. We're wanting to roll that out to all the states for 2028. So this was our test run for it, and it's working beautifully. 00:32:18 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's great. So that's another thing that we did over just last week, okay? Tuesday was National Voter Registration Day, and our legacy field, so Tyler mentioned that we have staff in all 10 traditional swing states, so that would be like Iowa, Florida, states that traditionally and historically have been swing states, but Florida has gone in our column, but now we're in a dogfight again with Byron Donalds. Everybody go vote for Byron. Please get out and vote. Support that guy. Can't have Florida going in the back direction. We cannot. No sliding, Florida, okay? So anyways, our legacy field team, was doing voter reg drives all over the country, getting thousands of people registered to vote. And then TP PAC ad campaign for Arizona hit over 30 million views. So that would be on traditional TV, over the top, digital ads, billboards. And we have some big new ads launching, including the Spanish language ads in Arizona. And all the while, Chase the Vote staff continues to knock on doors, knock on doors, knock on doors. And this is what we were talking about in the break. The staff is reporting back to us that people do not feel the sense of urgency when it comes to illegal immigration, when it comes to even legal immigration, or the Islamification of America. So what is your message to them, Tyler Boyer? 00:33:33 Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, right now, we need absolutely everyone. If you are a constant and consistent voter, you always show up to vote, you have a responsibility to help get out the vote for your street. Do not assume that your street is just going to show up. Do not assume that your family members are just going to show up. 00:33:50 Speaker 4: So how do they do that? 00:33:51 Speaker 10: People have to be aware. So there are a couple different things you can do. You can download the Turning Point Action application. 00:33:56 Speaker 4: We have the graphic. 00:33:58 Speaker 10: If you download tpaction.com app, you can go on iOS or Android, download it. And then on the top left corner, you hit the arrows. And then you pop in your phone number. It verifies that you're a real person. And then once you verify you're a real person, you can click a green button that says Voters Near Me. and it will direct you to the 10 or 15 nearest voters to you that need to be reached out to. So that's one thing that you can do. So tpaction.com slash app. You can also sign up to commit to chase 100 ballots with us. 00:34:31 Speaker 4: That's what that grabs. 00:34:32 Speaker 10: In Arizona, Nevada, and New Hampshire, we are recruiting thousands of people right now to come to these states. You can either show up, we'll give you a hotel room, and you can talk to these voters in person, or you can work from home. We prefer you to come, spend a week, In Arizona and Nevada. 00:34:48 Speaker 4: You're going to be far more effective. You're going to be part of a community. You're going to feel the sense of camaraderie. And being on the ground, there's no replacement. 00:34:55 Speaker 10: For Arizona, you come here to our headquarters at Turning Point. People really enjoy that experience. We'll give you the full tour of Turning Point headquarters. And then we send you out to go talk to those 100 voters. New Hampshire is the most beautiful time of year, October, to go talk to voters. But tpaction.com slash 100. That's tpaction.com. I love this. 00:35:17 Speaker 4: This election won't win itself, folks. 00:35:20 Speaker 10: And Charlie talked about this every day. So if you remember back two years ago, every single day, again, similar sign that was behind him. 00:35:26 Speaker 4: You got a sign right there. 00:35:27 Speaker 10: Right there, right behind us. 00:35:28 Speaker 4: Chase 100 ballots. 00:35:29 Speaker 10: Chase 100 ballots. But Charlie talked about this every day. Go to tpaction.com slash 100, get signed up. We had thousands and thousands of people show up to the headquarters here. 00:35:38 Speaker 4: It was like a revolving carousel of people. 00:35:41 Speaker 10: And it worked so well because our program proved that we can turn out nearly the same amount of voters. It was off like a decimal point. Nearly the same amount of voters that our full-time program did because we had enough volunteers that showed up to do it. 00:35:56 Speaker 4: To be clear, the ratio, so a full-time staff person is going to get hundreds and hundreds of ballots in. Your job is to get 100. So we need multiple volunteers to make one staff. 00:36:06 Speaker 3: Person, basically. 00:36:07 Speaker 10: Yeah, it's about three or four, three to four. 00:36:09 Speaker 4: So we need three or four of you, and three or four of you will make up one full-time staff person And we'll put you in a hotel. We're going to give you accommodations. We're going to train you. We're going to connect you into a system that is thriving. It is full of energy. You get to be a part of the solution. No doomerism. No worrying about the political headwinds. That's not your job. Your job is to just get out there and remind conservatives. These are low-propensity conservatives. You already agree with these people. They agree with you. They're friendly conversations. It's just, are you registered? Here's your ballot. Here's the ticket, the freedom ticket. Here's what we recommend. Now do you have a plan to get your ballot in the box? That's the key. It's no longer game day. It's game month. And they need to get a plan to get that ballot in the box. 00:36:51 Speaker 10: And if you're in another state, I mean, this is the whole point is, yeah, we need to replicate these things in other states for 2028. So come get involved. Learn how to do the process and work with us because you can do it in your state in 2028. 00:37:03 Speaker 4: People are always asking, what can I do to help? We've got it right here. tpaction.com slash 100. 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We have to, have to, have to show up. A lot of headwinds. It's not an excuse. It's not an excuse. You got to do your part. tpaction.com slash 100. Go commit to chasing 100 ballots. Get online. Check out the Freedom Ticket. Get your friends and family to vote. There are no guarantees, folks. No guarantees. But there's so much other news. OK, and we're going to get more thoughtful this hour because Nicole Hannah-Jones has had a piece in The New York Times. Everybody's talking about Colin Kaepernick is still out there calling the NFL slavery or something like that. And CNN, MSNOW, Politico have been kicked out of the White House and all pandemonium is breaking loose. And one of the best news guys in the business is here to help us unpack that story and more. Sean Davis, CEO, co-founder of The Federalist. Sean, welcome back. You know, as far as I know, you have not been kicked out of the White House. Not that I know you to be a man that attends the White House very frequently, but nevertheless, you have staffers. OK, so I mean, everybody's breaking. I mean, it's like breaking minds in D.C. right now. They're suing all this stuff. But on Friday after the show, he says, I am proud to announce that effective immediately. This is Trump. I am banning fake news CNN MSNOW, who recently changed their name from MSNBC due to lack of viewership and credibility, and Politico from the White House. Basically, he goes on, calls him fake news. Big shot across the bow. I have talked, Sean, to some of my social media experts, and they said the sentiment that they're seeing on social media to this decision is the most positive thing that they've seen Trump do in recent memory. And so it's like that popular. But if you look at the news media's coverage, the house is melting down. I mean, it's everything's burning down and it's terrible. And this is fascism. Your take. 00:39:52 Speaker 1: Yeah, I find it interesting because we had multiple previous administrations who hated reporters who were critical of them to the point that they spied on them and had them arrested. I know this personally because when we were reporting on the Biden administration at The Federalist during the last administration, That entire administration devoted itself to destroying us, bankrupting us, and censoring us using the power of the government, its full force, and its money. And we had it in writing. We had them admitting, yes, we are going after them. We are going to try to censor them, to shut them down because they're inconvenient to us. 00:40:29 Speaker 4: So you will. 00:40:29 Speaker 1: Have to forgive me for not being particularly concerned about the claims from people like CNN and MSNBC, who, by the way, cheered on the censorship against us. They were big backers of us. 00:40:41 Speaker 4: You'll have to. 00:40:42 Speaker 1: Forgive me for not really caring that they will now just have to do their jobs from not inside the White House. And I find it fascinating because CNN doesn't let me roam the halls asking Jake Tapper questions all day long. I guess that's not an affront on the First Amendment. But by them not having instantaneous 24-7 real-time access to Trump at his desk while he's working, that is somehow fascism. It is all completely nonsensical. 00:41:09 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, of course. So let's and there's so many elements of this story that are hilarious. But you brought up some great points that the press is a bunch of hypocrites, total lying, garbage hypocrites. Here is this is from September 18th. Reporter asked Trump how he's justifying banning CNN, et cetera. 00:41:27 Speaker 7: You intend to ban CNN, Politico and MS Now from the White House. 00:41:32 Speaker 11: How do you justify much more so than you? Because they're fake news. You get so tired of reading and seeing fake news. When you look at CNN, it's just fake. That's why their ratings are no good. There may be others to join them, and maybe they can get better and would like to have them in. But our country has to have honest news. You know, you don't have a country unless you have, as I say, borders, good voting. And you know what you need? You need a free press. You need a fair press and an honest press. And CNN, and you know it, and everybody knows it. You're intelligent. I've known you a long time. You know how fake their reporting is. 00:42:11 Speaker 4: And J.D. Vance this morning. J.D., I think J.D. hit the nail on the head here. Sod 11. 00:42:17 Speaker 12: For the president to be banning media outlets just because he doesn't like what they report? 00:42:21 Speaker 13: Well, I take some issue with the premise. So he's not banning media outlets. What he's doing is saying we're not going to. 00:42:26 Speaker 9: Give you special access to the White House if you engage in what is effectively propaganda. 00:42:30 Speaker 13: We have to remember those three outlets account about 92% of the stories that they have on the president of the United States on the administration are negative. That's not representative of the American people. It's not representative of public opinion. 00:42:42 Speaker 9: So if you're going to engage in what is effectively far-left propaganda, why would a Republican White House give you special access? 00:42:49 Speaker 4: I mean, that really is the key, right? And I think this is why this is being received well on social media and not in the mainstream news media. By the way, Fox, CBS, NBC, ABC, they have all thrown in and are now boycotting the West Wing. They're boycotting the White House. in solidarity with Politico, MSNOW, and CNN, which I can only imagine. It must be a nice vibe at the White House all of a sudden. The vibes have shifted. Things are positive now. But there is no justification for 92% negative news coverage of this administration. I don't care what your critiques are. 00:43:27 Speaker 3: J.D. 00:43:28 Speaker 4: Vance is right. That does not reflect the sentiment of the American people. So why is the press so negative constantly? And it's not just Trump. They were like this to George W. Bush the same way. And he just was like, kind about it. Let him get away with it. Not anymore. Your thoughts. 00:43:42 Speaker 1: I'm just sick and tired of the pretense and the lying and in the hypocrisy. OK, none of those people went on a boycott when the Federalists and the Daily Wire were targeted for literal destruction by the Biden administration. Not one of them. And what's actually in is because they don't actually care about the First Amendment. This is about themselves getting on camera. There is no group of bigger preeners and egomaniacs than your average White House correspondent. They don't care about the precious freedom of the press. They don't care about the First Amendment or the Constitution. They care about getting their stupid faces on television every day. And when they're not allowed in the White House, it makes it harder for them to preen and primp and pretend like they're the actual stars of the show rather than people who are just there to cover it. So I just I have no patience for their nonsense. It's the same crap that Jim Acosta pulled. All they care about is seeing their dumb fat faces on television. And whenever Trump comes in and says, you know what, you're just going to go have to find a platform to do your your little First Amendment LARPing somewhere else. They melt down and they ask like act like they've been attacked. There's nothing these people enjoy more than pretending to be martyrs because it allows them to make themselves part of the story. And in themselves, they're the only ones they actually care about. So I'm not even interested in getting into the substance of it or like, what does the case law say? These people are a bunch of completely fake phonies. And honestly, I'm to the point where whatever makes them sad makes me happy. 00:45:08 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm basically there, too. And by the way, I deal with these people all the time. I like many of them. But as a whole. It is the most self-absorbed, self-righteous profession that you will ever encounter. I was at the White House Correspondents' Dinner. I was mucking it up with all of them. I was wearing the tuxedo. I did the thing. It was before it got all chaotic and attempted assassination. What's interesting to me being around them, Sean, and you know this better than anybody. They look at themselves as almost a priestly class, right, like this set-apart group that has this moral obligation to the country to speak truth to power and all this. The way they talk about themselves, the self-aggrandizement is just nauseating. And yet the proof is in the pudding, 90-plus percent negative coverage, which is impossible. So they're just lying. They're activists shrouded in a cloak of priestly virtue that is totally not representative of the truth. 15 seconds, Sean. 00:46:08 Speaker 1: Yeah, by large, the corporate media is just a Democrat super PAC. That's all they are. They're an activist political organization, and now they're acting surprised for being called out for being what everyone else knows they are. 00:46:21 Speaker 4: So whatever. 00:46:22 Speaker 13: Amen. 00:46:23 Speaker 4: Sean, you know it better than most. We're going to turn our attention to Nicole Hannah-Jones and Colin Kaepernick because, you know, what's a weekend without accusing America of racism again? All right, Sean. Sean Davis from The Federalist. One of the best newsmen in the business. Best commentators in the business, too. If you're not following Sean on Twitter or X, you're missing out. I will tell you what. You are a spicy meatball on X, my friend, and I'm here for it. I love it all. All right, so Colin Kaepernick is going on with a guy named Ryan Clark who was just fired from ESPN because he's a racist. Let's be honest. But these are the two peas in a pod here, okay? So Colin Kaepernick, I haven't heard from him. All of a sudden he pops up because Ryan Clark's trying to remain relevant after getting fired from ESPN. And again, he's a racist. Colin Kaepernick is a racist, even though he's raised by very sweet, apparently white parents. He was adopted. Nevertheless, stop 13. Here you go. 00:47:18 Speaker 14: When you were speaking on the draft combine, the NFL combine, Right? 00:47:23 Speaker 3: Because it's part of the process. When did you truly. 00:47:27 Speaker 14: Start to have the realization that, hey, this does, in this sense, remind me of the slave trade? When you get to the point that it's like, yeah, strip down to your drawers. It's like, well, why do I need to do this? But also, I mean, I guess this is what I have to do and everybody's doing it like, All right, this is part of the process. Now, at that point in time, there's conversations with players at a high level of like, you know, why do we have to do that? You have a high level sense of like, you know, it feels like it's a meat market. 00:48:11 Speaker 4: Okay, it feels like it's a meat market. So let me just get this straight, Sean. The man who compared the NFL to slavery is, let me check my notes here, still present. Desperate to return to the NFL for more slavery or something. Explain this to me. 00:48:28 Speaker 3: Well, I think I actually agree with him. 00:48:30 Speaker 1: And it's the major reason why I personally opted out of the NFL combine. I did not want to be part of the master slave market there. And in fact, I still have five years of college eligibility because even before then, I was like, I'm not going to make myself a part of this obvious market. 00:48:46 Speaker 4: Yeah. Pre-NIL, of course. But yeah, of course. 00:48:49 Speaker 11: Yeah. 00:48:49 Speaker 1: Now, this is a bitter man who watched the game pass him by because he just really wasn't good enough to compete. And there's some times where you can be an athlete and not be particularly good and still get lots of attention by being ridiculous. For example, Angel Reese can't jump, can't make a layup. Super, super popular in the WNBA. The problem for Kaepernick is that the NFL is not the WNBA. And so people who go and watch it actually want to see good skill and ability and capability. And not only was he a distraction with his nonsense, he just really wasn't that good anymore. And it's hilarious to me that he's, what, like 38? He's almost 40, which is basically ancient in professional athletics terms. Like the body just doesn't do things it used to do at 25. 00:49:35 Speaker 4: He's cooked. 00:49:36 Speaker 1: He has no future in athletics. 00:49:38 Speaker 4: Nobody likes him. 00:49:39 Speaker 1: So all he has now to do is like the D-list former ESPN podcast circuit. I mean, I almost feel bad for the guy. 00:49:46 Speaker 4: Well, almost. Not quite. But this Ryan Clark guy, he got into a beef with like, what is it, Robert Griffith III, and basically said he didn't have a perspective on a certain discussion they were having because he was married to a white woman. He said, you can't speak about the WNBA because you married a white woman. He, I mean, this guy is a real piece of work. And so, of course, Colin Kaepernick goes and joins him. It's just another, it's just one of these new reminders, Sean, though, that The woke is not dead. It is not anywhere close to it, by the way. These people are true believers in the cult of woke. And you saw this and I'm going to let you give us because we got Helen Andrews on next. We're going to talk all about Nicole Hannah-Jones. But it's like another reminder. Nicole Hannah-Jones sends her little daughter to the public schools in New York City and then 10 years later writes a piece following up on that decision being like, I was did I betray my daughter because my daughter hated the schools I sent her to. Your take on this, woke is not dead, and all these prominent black voices just keep, I mean, it's the same note over and over again. America's racist. We're terrible. 00:50:55 Speaker 1: Yeah, woke is not dead. Woke is just sleeping. They're in a bit of a tactical retreat at the moment. They're going to come back because communists never actually give up. Communists don't surrender. Bolsheviks don't just leave the field. They lust after power. They're thirsty for it and hungry for it. So they're not going anywhere. They're just waiting to pounce. And, you know, the Nicole Hannah-Jones thing is fascinating because, unfortunately for her daughter, Nicole Hannah-Jones is dumb. 00:51:22 Speaker 4: She's just dumb. 00:51:23 Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to be mean or insensitive. She's a dumb woman. The reason she didn't know her own daughter couldn't do long division is probably because she couldn't do long division. And she writes this whole screed about how she doesn't understand what she had really done to her daughter by putting her in a place where she was promoted, not because she had the ability or the aptitude, but she was just socially promoted because it was easier. So she finds herself going higher and higher, even though she had no ability whatsoever. At no point did Nicole Hannah-Jones look at this and be like, wow, this is a microcosm of my own career. I, Nicole Hannah-Jones, have kept on getting awards and being promoted and being feted, even though I'm an idiot who doesn't know what I'm talking about at all. She has in her own daughter a brilliant microcosm of her own career, and at no point does she ever recognize it. So I highly urge everyone to read that entire New because it is a spectacular treatise in what it's like to have zero self-awareness about one's own worldview, or about how living how she did proves it to be nonsense, and yet she's utterly clueless about it. I think it's a masterpiece. 00:52:34 Speaker 4: Yeah, what's interesting is one of the comments underneath the article, Sean, says, you know, my daughter's feedback after reading the piece was, I wasn't hard enough on myself. Her daughter's upset. That she used her as a guinea pig in a social experiment. That's not what parents do. 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Just visit charlieforhillsdale.com to start learning today. That's charlieforhillsdale.com. Learn deeply, think clearly, lead boldly, and carry it forward, just like Charlie. Alright, Helen Andrews joins us now. She's the author of Boomers. She is one of the most accomplished writers and thinkers in the space. She wrote an amazing piece that we're still thinking about and talking about, The Great Feminization, which is really what causes so much wokeness, and we have a new example of it, but what's wild, Helen, welcome to the show, what's wild, Helen, is that the the pure variety of reactions to this. Okay. So let's go to one 66. Oh wait, no, not one 66. How about this? One 65. This is from Coleman Hughes. He says, most writers don't admit to mistakes, much less publicize them so that we can all benefit. Nicole Hannah Jones has done both of those things with this powerful essay. I do not agree with every word or with some of the underlying assumptions, but she deserves nothing but praise for bringing her daughter. Okay. Um, There's other people that are basically like, you sacrificed your child at the altar of wokeness. How dare you? And her, you know, all of this stuff. And now you say that actually, and here it is, this is your tweet, 163, and then I'll let you respond. The people sneering at Hannah Jones for sacrificing her daughter's well-being for a political virtue signaling are wrong. There's nothing contemptible about living by your principles and trying to uplift your community. Her failure was not moral, but analytical. What do you mean? 00:56:02 Speaker 12: Well, 10 years ago, Nicole Hannah-Jones wrote a blockbuster article for the New York Times about her decision to send her daughter to a low-income school in urban Brooklyn. And over the weekend, she published an essay saying essentially that she's decided that she was wrong, that her daughter did not benefit from being sent to this inner-city school. Now, a lot of people made fun of her for sacrificing her daughter to her own principals. But I think it's laudable. Nicole Hannah-Jones sincerely believed that the only problem with inner city schools was that they didn't have enough funding or they didn't have enough parental engagement or that their PTA didn't have enough money for bells and whistles. The kids didn't have enough enrichment. Nicole Hannah-Jones was herself a wealthy woman making a lot of money at the New York Times. She was a politically powerful woman who could go into a meeting with the principal and say, if you don't give these kids what they need, I'm going to splash your name all over the press. I have connections. I think the fact that she wanted to bring those resources that she had to bear for the benefit, not only of her own daughter, but for the people in her community. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. The only problem, the only error that she made was getting wrong. the diagnosis of what's wrong with these inner city schools. But I don't think we can blame her for getting that wrong because her opinion of what's wrong with those schools is the only one you're allowed to have. It's the basis of all conventional wisdom in all of our discussions about education policy in this country. So it's not like she was going with a fringe theory. She only believed what everybody else believed. 00:57:39 Speaker 4: You know, what's interesting is I was reading this. So by the way, I read the 2016 article and I read the one that was just published. And then I got a call from a New York Times journalist, completely unrelated this morning, asking about some other story. And he was like, everybody's talking about the Nicole Hannah-Jones piece. So it's like within the New York Times newsroom, everybody's talking about that. What struck me as I was reading it, Helen, just to kind of back you up on your point, there is a laudable nature to this. And I kept thinking, if Nicole Hannah-Jones' assumptions weren't so god-awful, I wish– if she had better ideas, I wish– that that type of drive, sense of purpose, integrity to the mission, I wish she was on our team. If she had better ideas, a person like that would be powerful. It would be a powerful asset to have on a side that's fighting for truth and justice in the American way. Instead, she's devoted her life to sort of tearing down everything that makes America successful. So just to your point, though, their assumption is that it's always funding. It's always money. It's always resources. Throw up 166. So this was a tweet that I found. It says, this is the per-pupil funding for the elementary school Nicole Hannah-Jones sent her daughter to, which was PS 307, Daniel Hale-Williams. And the per-pupil funding is $ 52, 349. Okay, $ 52, 349. And yet the stories we hear from this school, from Nicole Hannah-Jones, are that she went into lunchtime and it was pure chaos. It was understaffed. People didn't show up to staff it. So they just sat there while the kids run amok. They were fighting. She said she had to pull two boys off each other that were fighting. And then we find out later, that they weren't grading her tests or her coursework. They just weren't doing the basic blocking and tackling of being a teacher. And yet her conclusion is that this is because it's a lack of segregation because all the whites and Asians didn't want to go to these schools. So what is really going on here? What is the problem with a school like PS 307 where the white families have abandoned and they've taken their kids to more selective schools or private schools? What is actually causing the dysfunction in the public schools? 00:59:56 Speaker 12: The number one thing you have to understand about Nicole Hannah-Jones, particularly when it comes to education, is that as a child, she herself was bused to a majority white school. She comes from Iowa. She lived in a black neighborhood, but she tested into an academically selective program because she's a smart lady. And so she was bused to a majority white school. And that had two big effects on her development and her thinking on these questions. The first was that she found the experience of being one of the only black kids in an all white school to be profoundly alienating. So she kind of romanticized the idea that she wished she could have been in a school with people who looked more like her, which I think is entirely understandable. I think kids deserve to have a sense of belonging. The second big effect that that personal experience had on Nicole Hannah-Jones was that it gave her absolutely no idea of the reality of some of these inner city schools. She thought they would be full of kids, just like her daughter, only with less money at home or maybe more broken households. So that's why she was so shocked in the anecdote you describe of going to a lunchroom and finding chaos, where as someone who went to magnet schools in Raleigh, North Carolina, that's about what I would expect to find in a lunchroom of an elementary school like the one that I went to. And I think Nicole Hannah-Jones is actually wrong to blame the teachers who were there in the lunchroom. She went in and saw the kids getting rowdy and pulling the kids apart. And she looked at these teachers and said, why aren't you doing anything about the fact that these kids are so rowdy, are making so much noise? And the people that she spoke to said, well, that's the way it always is. I actually have a lot of sympathy for those teachers, just the customs of behavior in a school like that are going to be a little bit different and maybe a little jarring to someone from a more quiet middle-class background. But I think the fact that she was so shocked and surprised just goes to show that she didn't really have any idea what she was getting into. She was based on her romantic ideas from her own upbringing rather than any basis in experience. 01:02:04 Speaker 4: Well, both her and her husband were educated in, I guess she would describe it as segregated environments, right, where they were learning with white people. I think her husband was a military kid, so he was learning on bases and things like that. So what's interesting about this, I think your analysis is spot on, Helen. She didn't understand the reality of what an inner city school really would be, right? And she thought that she could make a difference. Again, laudable in a sense, except for the fact that she's continually misdiagnosing problems. As Sean Davis just said on the show, The problem with Nicole Hannah-Jones is not that she doesn't have a sense of purpose, isn't dedicated to the mission. It's that she's dumb on some level. She is not accurately defining the problems. So the problem is not funding. The problem is not that there's no white kids around. We call this, like, talisman whiteness, where, like, the minority communities in New York think that they can sprinkle a few, like, whites around to, like, fix the problem. And she admits there are only 15% of the public school– population so there's less and less white kids in new york the vast majority are blacks and hispanics okay but so they are i don't know how you're supposed to segregate or integrate a school when there's only 15 of the population you're demanding be integrated into these these schools anyway so her daughter grows up and she basically says why did you do this she says putting me in this school didn't change anything i was not trying to be in this type of environment it makes no sense She says this was draining. It was terrible. And she says, and her adamance started to seed a fear that if I continue to force her to live my values, it could haunt our relationship far past her school years. So she says, you now get to choose the school that you want to go to. 01:03:49 Speaker 5: Really? 01:03:49 Speaker 4: Najia seemed incredulous, even suspicious, maybe, she writes, peering at me from the corners of her eye. So she challenges her, come up with a list of schools you want to go to. And guess where her daughter wanted to go? a predominantly white school. Her daughter wanted to go to the better schools. And she eventually got in. And this was like, you know, a big revelation. And she was struggling tremendously, by the way. For the first time in her life, she had homework. She had her grades getting, or she had her papers getting tested and scored and graded. She had her math assignments getting graded. And she realized that she hadn't been taught any math at all. The question then becomes, Why are they– so are you saying that the reason that the public schools are failing, predominantly black Hispanic schools, are failing is because of culture? Is it because of resources? What is your analysis here? 01:04:45 Speaker 12: It's a combination of all those things. The revelation that Nicole Hannah-Jones should have had in this article from this experience but didn't have is that all of the white parents and other middle-class parents– who pull their kids out of the New York public schools because they want to avoid schools like the one her daughter went to, she should have realized like a clap of thunder that those parents are not evil and racist. Those parents are making a rational decision. You said just a moment ago that New York City public schools are only 15% white. That's true. And that's reflected in almost every large urban school district in the nation. 01:05:23 Speaker 4: Somebody like Nicole Hannah-Jones, remember, 1619 Project. I mean, she is a crusader. for black Americans, even though like she was herself, as you pointed out, benefited from going to school with white kids. This is, she admits that this is probably why I live a middle-class lifestyle now, but yet she, she is dedicated. She is dedicated to this mission. Now her assumption was that segregation in schools is simply a product of racism. And she constantly is talking about the hardest thing to talk about in this country or deal with is our history of racism and segregation and all this stuff. But she should have realized that the parents that are doing their best to pull their kids out of failing public schools in places like New York City are not bad people. They're making rational decisions. She has yet to come to terms with that conclusion. Not really. Explain what you mean here, though. 01:06:20 Speaker 12: Nicole Hannah-Jones has made an entire career, a very lucrative career, I might add, demonizing parents who pull their kids out of failing schools. majority-minority urban school districts. She blames white flight of this kind on racism. And she's correct that it's a huge problem. The number of white students in most urban large school districts are invisible to the naked eye. They're in the teens or even single digits. That's certainly the case in New York City, where more than half of the white kids who live in New York City attend some kind of private school because their parents don't want to send them to the public schools. Nicole Hannah-Jones accuses these parents of racism when actually they're making a very rational choice. The rational choice that they're making is based on two observations. The first is these inner city schools have a lot of problems, and those problems certainly should be addressed, and they are unique problems. But those problems will be in no way alleviated or improved by the presence of of white kids or middle class kids. That's just not what those schools need. And that does nothing to improve the people who already go to these schools. And the second very rational thing that these parents are thinking is that the standard of behavior in these schools is very different to the one that I want to inculcate in my kids. A lot of these kids just don't have the habits of discipline In the article, Nicole Hannah-Jones cites her daughter complaining that there are kids in the class always goofing off, even engaging in violence, and the teachers won't discipline them. It is completely reasonable for middle class parents not to want to send their kids to a classroom that looks like that, especially if the presence of these white and middle class kids is not actually going to do anything to improve the standards of behavior at these schools. 01:08:09 Speaker 4: Well, this is what I'm this is what we call talisman whiteness. I think there is this assumption from people like Nicole Hannah-Jones that you whites owe it to my black or Latino kid to force your kid to go, you know, subject your kids to this. I don't know this chaotic scene that we're seeing play out in the lunchroom where nobody there's no adult supervision. There's they're just running around punching each other, fighting all this stuff. And then it gets to middle school and high school and the fights get more aggressive. The racial tensions get inflamed even higher, and there's still no supervision. And so they think that if you just subject a few white kids and sprinkle them out, these 15 percent that are left in New York City, that it'll fix the problem. That's not a thing. And it's interesting. I saw this one tweet from Fly Sista. okay? Fly Sista. I vividly recall, she says, this story is my friends were having the same discussions about choosing New York City schools. This is from the 2016 article, the one that made all those headlines. I mean, she, by the way, just so everybody's aware, Nicole Hannah-Jones got sent all over the country to talk about public schools and desegregating public schools because of this article. It was such a huge bombshell. At the time, my friends chose this is Fly Sister. My friends chose private school in New York City and moved to New Jersey and use public schools there. Their kids are now at Cornell, Princeton, Howard, Hampton, Xavier and Morgan State. So this is this is this is the problem. There is a rational choice for parents. I've just made the same choice for my kids. I'm sending them to private Christian school because that's I'm not going to do the public school thing. I don't trust their values. I don't trust where they're coming from. I want them to have a great education, great shot at life. to do anything different would be an indictment of me and my parenting. And, you know, so it's just rational decision-making time and time again. But this poor girl was subjected to a social experiment for Nicole Hannah Jones's own virtue and it backfired. The kid is now saying, this is a true, true clip. We have this, I believe. She says, uh, She was asked in the comment section underneath the article, did your daughter inform you in this? Did she take part in your writing of this essay? She said, yes, she most certainly did. Her main feedback, I was not hard enough on myself. Teenagers will humble you every time. Thank you for reading. So the daughter is left to shoulder the burden of her mom's virtue signaling. It shouldn't be that way. 01:10:37 Speaker 12: But I have to push back on that a little bit because I do feel like families, it's okay for parents to make a few sacrifices for the sake of their community. The story that I thought of when I first read this article, the first thing it made me think of was a story from the darkest days of segregation. One of the biggest problems that Southern Blacks faced in that period was a shortage of doctors. There were just not enough doctors to go around and serve all of those people. So a Northern philanthropist thought and asked the head of his philanthropic foundation, should I start a scholarship system, medical scholarships for Black would-be doctors? And the head of his foundation had to tell him, that's not going to work. We already tried that. And the reason why is that every single doctor that we created through our trial program of medical scholarships immediately moved to the North. And who can blame them? Because if you're an educated Black doctor, you're going to have a much better standard of living in Boston or Philadelphia than in Mississippi or Alabama in the 1920s. But while I can't blame anybody, any Black doctor who made that choice in that period, I have so much respect and admiration for those who made a different choice, for those who chose to stay with their community and say, I'm from the South. These are my people. They don't have enough doctors. I can help. And that's what I want to do. So I think that's the kind of thinking that Nicole Hannah-Jones had. I can make things better for my community. I owe it to them to do that. 01:12:07 Speaker 4: Yeah, fair enough. And I actually, like I said, if she had the right assumptions, if she had the right ideas, Nicole Hannah-Jones would be a very powerful person for the sake of good. Okay, one minute left, Helen. What are the changes in the public school systems that could actually make a difference? 01:12:26 Speaker 12: I think discipline is the number one thing that these students need. Now, we should be upfront. We can't really change somebody's academic aptitude. There's a limit you can do. You can't take a kid who can't learn algebra and get him college ready. In many ways, that's just not going to happen. But you can have a stable classroom that can make somebody a productive member of society. The only downside is that imposing that discipline in an inner city school where habits of discipline are often quite different from what you find in a middle middle-class school takes a little extra effort and it's a little bit harder and imposing it is strict in a way that middle middle-class kids aren't going to like. So keeping those, you know, having unique discipline programs that are uniquely suited to those communities. That's the solution here. 01:13:14 Speaker 4: I agree. I totally agree. And they will, Rise to the standard you set for them. Kids will. So you need adults in the room. Helen Andrews, it's always so fun to have you. God bless you. We'll talk to you soon, I am sure. 01:13:26 Speaker 3: We'll see you tomorrow. 01:13:27 Speaker 4: Blake will be back. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.