Bonus Episode: Charlie's Best Immigration Debates

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The Charlie Kirk Show is proudly sponsored by Preserved Gold, leading gold and silver experts and the only precious metals company. I recommend to my family, friends and viewers. 00:01:09 Speaker 2: I have a couple points that I want to talk about. In illegal immigration, Is it okay if I write if I say all of them with no interruptions, okay, cool. So, first, illegal immigrants power our economy. They're fifty percent of US farm workers, harvesting the food on our tables, and fill seventy percent of construction jobs and stays like Texas. They pay thirteen billion annually in taxes, including two billion to Social Security that they can't claim. Deporting them would slash agriculture output by sixty billion and raise food prices by six percent. Why gut our farms and wallets when these workers fuel our prosperity. That's my first point. Second point, they strengthen our communities with lower crime rates. So in Texas undocumented undocumented immigrants have a twenty six lower percent homicide conviction rates, so, which is two point two per one hundred thousand versus three for native born citizens. Nationally, immigrants are incarcerated at half the rate of native born, where it's zero point eighty five percent versus one point seven one percent. That's according to Bureau of Justice statistics from twenty nineteen. So if safety is your goal, why deport people who make our streets safer? This is my third point. Mass deportation tears apart American families. Over four point four million US citizens children have an undocumented parent, and in Texas one in seven kids lives in a mixed status household. Okay, this is my fourth point. Deportation is a fiscal nightmare. Removing eleven million people would cost three hundred and fifteen to four hundred billion more than the entire Homeland security budget and shrink our GDP by one point seven trillion over ten years. And this is my last point. Our immigration system is broken, pushing people to cross illegally. Visa waits Mexicans can exceed twenty years, and the asylum blockage is one point three million cases with hearings four to six years out. 00:03:09 Speaker 1: Okay, you done, that's. 00:03:10 Speaker 2: Pretty much it. Yeah, yeah, all right. 00:03:12 Speaker 1: So without looking at the phone, look at me. What should the penalty be for breaking into America? 00:03:16 Speaker 2: I think there should be a system where it's more merit based. 00:03:19 Speaker 1: So if this penalty, so what is the penalty? So what? 00:03:21 Speaker 2: What what should happen to a film? It's not a penalty? 00:03:25 Speaker 1: Is that's not true? It's eight usc third missive to look up right now, it's. 00:03:27 Speaker 2: A felony if it's done twice, try to correct that's correct. 00:03:30 Speaker 1: That's not correct. It's like to illegally go across the southern mortar with the well intent to come into harbor yourself into the interior United States, the violation of eight USC. Thirteen twelve, which is a felony in the Federal Criminal Code. Now it can be enforced as a misdemeanor, or it can be upwards to five years in prison. Now, I want to know, since it's a felony law in the books eight USC. Thirteen twelve, what should the penalty be? 00:03:50 Speaker 2: Well, in my opinion, these kinds of like laws are not are Usually they're they're they're what do you call it? They're sorry? Usually the the like the sorry, wait, sorry, can I can I check my phone real quick? I apologize? Can you can you repeat the question? Sorry? 00:04:23 Speaker 1: What should the penalty be for someone that breaks or comes into America illegally? What should the penalty be? 00:04:31 Speaker 2: I think there should be a merit system where the people Okay, the penalty? 00:04:34 Speaker 1: All right, let's answer it's a very simple moral and legal question. Okay, what should the penalty be if you come into America illegally? 00:04:42 Speaker 2: Okay, So, since it's a misdemeanor, not a felony misdemeanor. 00:04:45 Speaker 1: Just I just told you it's not eight. You can look up on your chat GPT what is eight USC? Look up? What is eight USC thirteen twelve? 00:04:52 Speaker 2: No, I know, I've already looked it up. Yes, it's which is when it's your second time crossing the border illegally, then it becomes a felony. 00:04:59 Speaker 1: It can't it hand be and it is enforced as a felony, and it usually is done as a misdemeanor citation because no one has the stones to do twenty million felony you know, applications. So I just want to ask, what should the penalty be then for someone that comes into this country illegally. 00:05:23 Speaker 2: Usually there's there's three ways that go about this. When there's a penalty, it's there's either like a fine, or there's some kind of like public service that this person does, or you send them back. But I send it back. 00:05:34 Speaker 1: I agree, that's okay, okay. 00:05:36 Speaker 2: So okay, So this is this is interesting. So one of the stats, one of the statistics that I read, said that illegal immigrants don't cause as much as much like, they don't break the law as often as people who are native ballistic. 00:05:53 Speaker 1: Every single, they're all criminals, okay, sure, by law, by law, by law, of course, of course, if if they commit less crime, and they're all criminals. A second, by definition, they all have broken the law by being here, and they break the law every day by staying here, because you're actually not allowed to stay here either, you know that, So every day you're here, you're actually continually breaking the law. You can't break in or harbor. That's what the federal law says. So by breaking in, it's not just the only law they broke. Every second you remain here, you're also breaking the law. So that statistic is invalidated by just them breathing here, they're breaking the law. 00:06:27 Speaker 2: No, of course, not, of course not so, of course it makes sense for them when they're here, they're breaking law because they're legal immigrants obviously obviously, But once they're okay, yeah, so once they're here, once they are here, what kind of harm are they actually doing when you look at the numbers? Suggest No, no, that's not true. 00:06:41 Speaker 1: Okay, black wages of gown do UIs have gone up? Dramatic? Dramatic. I'm interjecting, and I let you go uninterrupted with your whole soliloquy. Right, So let me just let me ask you a question though, So, if it is correct that illegal alians commit less crimes, which of course it's not correct. 00:07:02 Speaker 2: That is correct. 00:07:04 Speaker 1: Is any is any crime? It's just not correct. But I'm not going to debate that it's it's it's I just I just proved it at its face. Because they commit a crime by being here every day. That is a crime. 00:07:14 Speaker 2: Okay, once they are here? What kind of crimes are they committing? Which is okay? 00:07:16 Speaker 1: Well there, Do you know the name Lake and Riley? 00:07:21 Speaker 2: No? Educate man? 00:07:23 Speaker 1: Oh you don't? Do you know? Wow? Do you know the name Rachel Morin? 00:07:29 Speaker 2: No? I don't, wow. 00:07:32 Speaker 1: Okay, So Lake and Riley was a girl at the University of Georgia. There was a peeping Tommy illegal alien that was deported five times prior, and Biden kept on letting them back in. He hunted her down to her sodomized her, and murdered her on a hiking trail University of Georgia. On a second, every person who is killed by an illegal alien is one that should not happen, every single one and everyone. And so that's the point is that it's not a matter of the race native born. The rate. Even if I accept your premise, which is incorrect, the rate is irrelevant. The numbers what's relevant. There should be zero illegal aliens. There should be zero Americans being killed by illegals. Not to mention, there's six other problems of the illegal aliens. They steal social security numbers, they depress wages, They are heavily involved. By the way, Not to mention, a lot of people that cross on the southern border are also smuggling girls, weapons, and drugs alongside the Southern border when they come. It's the largest slaver slavery operation in American history that many illegal aliens helped make possible on the southern border. And I guess the final question I'll have is should a government serve its citizens first and foremost? 00:08:39 Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, of course. Well, okay, there's many There's been many people who are like very political leaders who have said that this place is built off of immigrants. 00:08:47 Speaker 1: Oh is it? Well, hold on, let's think about that. First of all, it's legal, not illegal. But was America founded by immigrants or settlers? That's not an immigrant? 00:08:57 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. Point My point is that you brought. 00:09:00 Speaker 1: Up the nation built by immigrants. 00:09:02 Speaker 2: Yeah, actually, because the political leaders have said that this place is built. 00:09:06 Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're wrong. 00:09:07 Speaker 2: They're wrong. Political leaders are wrong. George W. Bush is wrong all these political years building. 00:09:13 Speaker 1: By the way, the first person to say that was, oh, is that wrong? 00:09:15 Speaker 2: When immigrants may, I just may grow the economy. 00:09:19 Speaker 1: Statistically, allow me again, allow me to build it out for you. Sure, immigrants have helped at times in American history, but we are first and foremost the nation founded by settlers. Immigrants come to a country already built. Settlers come to a barren place and build something new. This land was barren when people came in the eighteen forties Gold Rush. This was not an easy place to live. California was not exactly industrialized. There was not immigrants coming west to California. Those were settlers building a new place around you know, western Western values. Finally, I would just ask the question, do you see a moral distinction between a legal immigrant and an illegal immigrant? 00:09:54 Speaker 2: Well, the argument is that they're cutting in line. Like the argument is that they're cutting in line in the twenty year process that it would take for someone it's not twenty, but yeah, most it's twenty. At most it's twenty Right now, there's around like one point two million people who are currently waiting. That would take weeks to seven years for a hearing. 00:10:08 Speaker 1: And by way, no one has a right to come to this country just to be there. 00:10:14 Speaker 3: Hi, folks, Andrew Colvett here, I'd like to tell you about my friends over at why Refi. You've probably been hearing me talk about y Refi for some time now. We are all in with these guys. If you or someone you know is struggling with private student loan debt, take my advice and give. 00:10:30 Speaker 1: Them a call. 00:10:31 Speaker 3: Maybe you're behind on your payments, maybe you're even in default. You don't have to live in this nightmare anymore. Why ref I will provide you a custom payment based on your ability to pay. They tailor each loan individually. 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There's studies that have done. 00:11:25 Speaker 1: This, not necessarily, okay, not. 00:11:27 Speaker 2: Necessarily, but overall in general. 00:11:30 Speaker 1: But I mentally disagree with that. 00:11:32 Speaker 2: You can't disagree with a fact. 00:11:34 Speaker 1: Hold on, do you think elon Omar has enriched the United States of America? 00:11:39 Speaker 2: I don't know who do you think? 00:11:40 Speaker 1: Rashida Talib? I mean, I could go through person person, So. 00:11:45 Speaker 2: I don't know. These people are these people who have like are illegal immigrants that have caused hard Yeah? 00:11:49 Speaker 1: Again, if you don't know, I don't mean to pick on you. It's hard, but I guess the final question is do you have any concern that there are too many people coming into this country and we're a nation of stranger is not a nation of neighbors. 00:12:01 Speaker 2: The people who are coming are creating America, making it more growing, like the economy is growing, then what harm is that doing? 00:12:07 Speaker 1: Especially if the people who are covering on economy though, aren't we We're a culture, we're a language. Yeah, of course. 00:12:11 Speaker 2: Okay, so let's talk about that front. When they come here, they don't have any kind of They're not committing us more crimes than the people who are already here. 00:12:18 Speaker 1: That is what we've already dispelled that, but that you can let's in California. Do you think there's anything wrong that a majority of young people in California speak Spanish not English? Sorry? Do you think there's anything wrong or troubling to the fact that a majority of people under the age of thirty here in the States Spanish not English? Is there a problem with that? 00:12:37 Speaker 2: Well? Yeah, everyone should be able to have an ability to communicate with the rest of the crowd. So I get I don't know what the big issue. 00:12:44 Speaker 1: Is, seah. I think it's a huge problem when we have a nation where you can't communicate. 00:12:48 Speaker 2: Okay, A simple solution teach them how to speak English. 00:12:51 Speaker 1: What is your and our schools don't do that? Actually, and also have a better solution, don't import a bunch of people that don't speak English. 00:12:57 Speaker 2: Yeah, you mean importing people who actually mean again. 00:13:01 Speaker 1: Don't reject I reject your premise. 00:13:03 Speaker 2: And that's a lot of the premise. That's a study that's been done. 00:13:06 Speaker 1: Do you know what a premise is. I don't actually care as much about economic growth because you're one nation under we're one nation energy. We're not one nation or GDP or a nation under God. And when we lose social cohesion and you import a bunch of people that don't share our values, that don't necessarily always assimilate, that's a major and serious problem. And we are a we are a people first and foremost with a creed, and that creed is falling apart. Mass migration has not helped that creed. Yes, they might buy more trinkets, they might help depress wages. Mass migration, of course can help. Would they help major corporations, But you know what they also do? They keep down the wages of working people. If you are a plumber, yes, of course, if you think about your plumber, electrician or a welder and you have to compete against someone from Nicaragua who's willing to do it for five bucks less an hour, that depresses the wages of the American citizen. 00:13:54 Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's been studies that have done that. I'll also counteract that I legal immigrants. Well, let's use our reason legal none, let's use our reason studies, let's use our statistics. 00:14:03 Speaker 1: How about our reason. So we've had mass migration for twenty years, have wages gone up? 00:14:10 Speaker 2: I don't know. 00:14:11 Speaker 1: No, they haven't. Actually, so forget your studies. For ten years we've had for ten years, we've had thirty million people come into America, wages have gone down dramatically. Maybe there's a reason why. Okay, Okay, So what I encourage you to do just because there's a study that confirms you should use your reason and look actually at self evident truths. Be like, huh does that make sense? 00:14:35 Speaker 2: Can you name its evidence? 00:14:36 Speaker 1: Well? Not always statistics are very misleading, yes, Like for example, I could say, did you know that six hundred people a year die because of seat belts? But that's a misleading statistic because over one hundred thousand lives are saved by seat belts. That's an incomplete statistical. 00:14:50 Speaker 2: Okay, So where where's the So that's a gray area. So where's the gray area where people are talking about? Where twenty six percent of a legal image who come here commit less crimes than native born. 00:14:59 Speaker 1: We have how many time I'm saying over this that's just not correct. 00:15:01 Speaker 2: That is correct. 00:15:03 Speaker 1: That is every single crime. 00:15:05 Speaker 2: A study that was done in Texas, the most diverse against the second most state, every. 00:15:10 Speaker 1: Crime and illegal commits is one that should never have happened, period. They should not be here. So I don't care about the rates. The rate is irrelevant. So let me just ask one final question. 00:15:19 Speaker 2: Is relevant. 00:15:20 Speaker 1: Someone broke into the country and cut in line. What should happen to them? 00:15:24 Speaker 2: Well, they give, they're given. Ideally, there's a system. Ideally, there's a system that's merit based where these people then become part of the part of the citizen, like they become a legal citizen. 00:15:33 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we have clarity, but not agreement. I say, deport them all back to their country of origin, Americans. 00:15:39 Speaker 2: That's not an appropriate solution when. 00:15:40 Speaker 1: Well, well the American people voted for it. 00:15:43 Speaker 2: People, it isn't appropriate because most of the people that do come here illegally contribute positively against are statistically everything. 00:15:52 Speaker 1: You're never anything. I'm saying, that's fine. They take jobs from Americans, they depressed wages, they steal social Security numbers, they commit a crime every single day that they're here. They flood our public schools, they flood our social services, they flood our hospitals. They are a burden on the taxpayer. They should go back and make their own country great again and apply and become a legal immigrant if they want to live here. Thank you very much, thank you. 00:16:16 Speaker 4: Next question, Yeah, basically, my question is there are circumstances in the US where little kids come in illegally because of their parents. But they come here and they this is our whole life. They have no history in their home country. Right, how do we humanely and as conservatives or Christians like do with this in a way that represents our values. 00:16:44 Speaker 1: You're not gonna like my answer, and that's okay. The whole family unit should be returned back to the country. 00:16:50 Speaker 5: Okay, that's what I was tending to think. 00:16:52 Speaker 1: And can I just build it out? Yes. So, a moral teaching of scripture is that you do not favor justice for the poor or for the rich, this idea of blind justice. And if we agree it is wrong to do this, and we say, okay, what's the most human way? If you one thing, we say, hey, you separate the family, which, ironically people on the left actually want the family separated. They say, oh, keep the kids and bring the parents back home. I think that's wrong. I think us, the whole family unit should return. And here's why. Is that these parents, when they brought some of these kids across the border, they knowingly put their kids in harm's way. That's true, and it's again, it is not fair to the kids of other nations that are not able to legally immigrate into this country just because others were carried across the southern border. 00:17:37 Speaker 5: Do you think it. 00:17:38 Speaker 4: Would then be reasonable to give maybe these families, unfortunately due to their parents' decision, maybe more priority about getting an actual visa or. 00:17:49 Speaker 1: No no visas. I know I'm pretty harsh on this, and I'll tell you why. If we compromise an immigration law, then we do not have immigration law. We must be uncompromising in the enforcement of law. Period. And again, if we want to accommodate certain things, then we're basically going to say, hey, this law should not exist and anybody can come in under any circumstances. But again, the parents are the ones to blame here, not the US government. The parents brought their kids, and I'm going to say something a little bit provocative, almost is like many hostages against the system where they're like, well, you can't support me because I brought these safetyism as a safety mechanism. And by the way, just so we're clear, some of these kids are brought across in sex trafficking ways, some of them are brought in very cruel and unusual ways, and so again people don't always love that answer. 00:18:35 Speaker 4: But yeah, I guess my next question to that would be, I'm trying to think. 00:18:43 Speaker 5: I just like, because there they have no maybe they. 00:18:46 Speaker 4: Don't even you know, they their first language is English, they may not even speak their native language. And you said that it was because that's the law right now that we don't allow immigration inside. But a presidency maybe when they came in that wasn't the case, Norue and I don't agree with that that that was the way it was. 00:19:08 Speaker 5: During that time. 00:19:09 Speaker 4: But then shouldn't we maybe allow those people to stay because that was acceptable in that moment. 00:19:17 Speaker 1: If you're twenty five years or younger, it's been it's been the law for about twenty five years, right, it's about like two thousand and eight USC thirteen twelve. 00:19:24 Speaker 4: I guess saying just like in the last presidency, it was just so like chillax, I guess yeah. 00:19:29 Speaker 1: I mean, so, look like let's let's just talk about something that's going to be a huge test, because what you're talking about is still a hypothetical in some ways, because you're talking aout people that might have been here for ten or fifteen years. The more important and one that's going to be a huge lift is getting all fourteen million people that came across in the last four years. They do know another nation, they do know another home. We're not even getting the people that are eighteen twenty twenty five. We're talking about trying to get fourteen million people that were bum rushed across the border in the span of four years. Every single one of those people should be returned back to their country of order and deported from the United States. 00:20:01 Speaker 5: I agree with that as well. 00:20:02 Speaker 3: So as America turns two hundred and fifty, we want to help good ranchers take a moment to remember the people who built it, and those, of course are America's ranchers. For over two hunred and fifty years, ranchers had worked tirelessly to feed America through droughts, wars, recessions, pandemics, changing politics. They don't stop, and that is the kind of legacy Good Ranchers was built on. Unlike others, Good Ranchers is a meat company that's one hundred percent committed to America, not just in words, but in practice. 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Good Ranchers dot com American Meat Delivered. 00:21:26 Speaker 6: Hi, Charlie, great to meet you. Thank you for letting me speak in your platform. First of all, I really disagree with you in a lot of things. 00:21:34 Speaker 1: Be respectful, guys, it's fine. Part of what makes America a great country. 00:21:39 Speaker 6: It does, it does, America is a great country. But I don't like your T shirt. 00:21:43 Speaker 1: Eh. 00:21:44 Speaker 6: I'm gonna get started by saying, I'm an immigrant, and well, I don't understand why you would want to deport all like some of my friends and family who have been working hard in this country and that like they're being persecuted right now. So I just I don't get the whole process of it, and it feels like I'm being discriminated against even though I'm here through legal means. But just can you please give me an answer for that? And before that, if like, let's say, if I would come up here and say, like, I'm an illegal immigrant and I'm here trying to debate you, would you call ice? 00:22:20 Speaker 1: I mean, Tom Hollman would probably see the video and you'd probably go back to your true country. Okay, Yeah, I mean that's that's how it works, right, But let me just ask you a question. What is the fair way of country in your ideal? You're king? What's your name? Sorry, I'm Claudio, sir, Yeah, Claudia. And this is just the thought exercise, but it's very revealing. You are king and you find out that there are thirty million uninvited people in your country. What do you do with them? 00:22:41 Speaker 4: Oh? 00:22:41 Speaker 6: In this case, I try to find the most humane way of sending him back to a country. But first of all, I want to. 00:22:48 Speaker 1: Say, that's what we're doing. Wait, let me just let me just say something. That's what we're doing. Let me just say, Claudi long living. 00:22:53 Speaker 6: I'm not a I'm not I'm not a dictator at all. 00:22:56 Speaker 1: But of course it's a helpful thought. 00:22:59 Speaker 6: I get it yet it And all I'm saying is you were talking about like in the past couple of people that came up here, like America first trying to get like the best for our country and like increasing the productivity and getting us to be like the best country possible, which I agree, Like, I love this country, but a lot of this country is built on like illegal immigrant labor, and it's it's definitely like a bad means, but it's been a good result somehow. Like I'm sure you know, people like you have friends from like home that own businesses that employ these types of people that are very productive and very very honest and just hard working trying to get a better life. And a lot of those people are very close to me. So it's just a very heartbreaking situation for me. But I understand. 00:23:42 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, But I mean, and you gave the answer if you were in charge. I guess this is another important question. What should the punishment be then if you break into somebody else's country uninvited and stay there without welcome. 00:23:56 Speaker 6: Well, I really I don't know what the punishment should be. 00:23:59 Speaker 1: I'm not a lawyer. No, No, that's okay, I'm just asking Jen, it's totally Yeah. Here's our position is that it is against federal law to come into America. Right, You're not allowed to come into the country without you know, without invite So that's against the law. So if we can do one of two things, and there really isn't there's very little in the middle. There's some nuance, but we can say we are not going to enforce the law because you know, we're just going to say that doesn't matter, or we could say, look, the law is blind, and when you break the law must apply to all people. Now, I think you're a little different because I don't want you to loop in. So what country did you emigrate from? 00:24:35 Speaker 6: Are you going to like discriminate against them? 00:24:37 Speaker 1: I'm actually I'm gonna do the opposite. Actually, yeah, what I'm curious. I'm Mexican. Okay, fine, but you came here legally, correct I did? So? 00:24:43 Speaker 6: Okay, great, Well, if I didn't, you'd be calling the police. 00:24:47 Speaker 1: No, but it's not a racial thing. If you were, if you were Polish and you overstate a visa, then you should be But hold on, you followed the rules, so you're exempt. The people that you know didn't follow the rules. 00:24:59 Speaker 4: True. 00:25:00 Speaker 1: So I divide America not into Mexican and white and Hispanic and white, into rule follower and rule breaker. And so when someone breaks our rules, there must be justice done. There must be a punishment, and the most humane way is you go back to your country of origin. We'll do it humanly, we'll do it correctly. But if you are not invited into a home, into a dorm room, into a living room, the standard applies to entire country. Now, to your point, you might be right, there might be some economic disruption. However, you know what happens if you have economic disruption in the laborpool. Wages are going to go up, and you guys are going to see your wages go on. 00:25:31 Speaker 6: Who is going to occupy those jobs? 00:25:34 Speaker 1: So this is a little bit insulting. I don't think you mean it this way that illegal immigrants are nothing more than just kind of like the not on these people. I'm even defending. I don't think you mean it this way. But broadly, when we talk about immigration, there's a talking about like, well, who's gonna pick your grapefruits? And like who's gonna serve you Chipotle? You've probably heard this before, right I have, Yeah, who's going to clean your hotel room? 00:25:56 Speaker 7: In? 00:25:57 Speaker 1: But hold on embedded in that is kind of a really derogatory that's like they're kind of just like a permanent surf class here to serve us. I think that's like really creepy and weird. Actually, these are human beings. They're more than just kind of economic utility. 00:26:10 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:26:10 Speaker 6: No, but like in the in the history of the of the US, like we've heard, we've first had like the Italian and Polish immigrants, and they first served those jobs and then they became like economically sufficient and they were welcomed. True, and they but it was a different time in history, like of course. 00:26:26 Speaker 1: But I suppose the broader question is one of justice, which is that to what should a country do when your sovereignty has been so massively violated for a long period of time and a country seeks to be a country becomes something else, It becomes a colony, or it becomes just kind of a random area. If a country does not have loyalty to its own people, and if it has loyalty to foreigners or to an oligarchy, it ceases to be a country. So it's not the most popular argument. Actually the American people voted for it, and it sounds cruel, but it's very simple. It's like, look, this not against any of you personally, but you have to have the law be the first and last ushering of what a government does in this situation. And by the way, what I was saying about you, I'm getting back to you. You deserve to be applauded because you guys followed the rules, and it's not fair to people like you who followed the rules to all of a sudden have line cutters. Here's the equivalent. You guys waited in line, like well two and a half hours to go get a meal at a restaurant and someone shows up and just cuts in line? What was the first thing you would say? That's not fair, and you would be right, And the same with immigration. 00:27:34 Speaker 6: Please yeah, wait, let me just like add a layer to this and then I'm probably done. But like let's say that the people that's cutting like in front of line, like that's like like some of my boys like that. I know that they're being like persecuted, like back home, them and their family is like they're like in like drug related like wars and violence, and the only way out, like the only way they're not gonna die or like suffer a very bad faid is if they escape and they break the am mayor in law. But that's the only way they're going to survive. 00:28:02 Speaker 1: So like, hold on, hold on two thoughts on this number one. If that is correct, we have a special asylum status that they could seek legally at a port of entry, that they could go through whole processes. 00:28:13 Speaker 6: But if they're being persecuted, don't they not deserve But wouldn't be justified to cut the line. 00:28:19 Speaker 1: No. Secondly, well, it might be justified in their mind, but it's not justified in the rule administer's mind to make exception for it. But let me just let me make a more important point though, if we all of a sudden say that if you have a lot of gang violence and issues, I mean, like we have a lot of gang violence and issues, like what are we talking about here, Like we were a more dangerous country than half of the Central American countries. We're far more dangerous than El Salvador. And could we could make an example if that is the criteria, like all of South America should be allowed into America basically, I mean the idea is that at some point you have almost no standard whatsoever. And instead, here's my perspective, we should empower those people to go fix their own country. We should empower them to go make El Salvador great again, which there's a great country now, okay in Nicaragua, Honduras, Yes, please find so. 00:29:03 Speaker 6: Wouldn't like a good way to start is like trying to lower the demand for drugs in America because a lot of the drugs that are like being produced and being thought over in South America are going to be supplied to the US for American consumers. 00:29:17 Speaker 1: Yeah, so how would you recommend lowering demand? 00:29:20 Speaker 6: I have no idea, like what would you do? 00:29:21 Speaker 1: Or like, I don't know. I mean demand and supply are two different issues, right, I mean the first part of demand is that way too many people get into it. Talk to my earlier point, They get into a thought pattern that substances are going to bring me flourishing, which I think is wrong. But yes, I think the Look, the drug cartels are richer than ever before, and we have more drugs legalized than anytime last forty years, so something doesn't fit. So obviously drug legalization is not impoverishing them. The biggest way though, that we stop these third world countries from being you know, tinpot despotic dictatorships, is we have to stop subsidizing their oligarchy through foreign aid. And then, yes, you're right, the Chinese Communist Party is pumping tons of money into these countries. But finally, and I know this sounds a little bit cruel, is that I care far more about the suffering of Americans than the suffering of other people's countries first, and you have to you have to look after your own people. You have to draw the line. And it's the old adage, right guys. If your plane is going down, what do they tell you to do? First? You put your mask on first, and then the mask on the person that might not be able to put a mask on, an infant or someone that might be infirmed. It's the same way as a country. We need to put our own oxygen mask on first, and then we can worry about helping other people. Thank you so much. I appreciate it. Thank you, Hi, folks. 00:30:40 Speaker 3: Andrew Colvett here, I'd like to tell you about my friends over at why Refi. You've probably been hearing me talk about y Refi for some time now. We are all in with these guys. If you or someone you know is struggling with private student loan debt, take my advice and give them a call. Maybe you're behind on your payments, maybe you're even in default. You don't have to live in this nightmare anymore. Why Refi will provide you a custom payment based on your ability to pay. They tailor each loan individually. 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But we still had these exclusion acts because of xenophobic attitudes. And so this is not this is not a novel idea that you know immigrants are bad for the country. So I'm interested in why you think that all of a sudden we need to change the way the United States works well. 00:32:22 Speaker 1: First of all, immigration has gone in great influxes. We basically turned off all immigration in nineteen forties and fifties. We had like net zero immigration for almost fifteen years. Most people don't even know that. So we had Ellis Island in the early nineteen hundreds, and then we turned on the guzzle of immigration. But let's be honest, for forty years, we have tried this mass immigration project for the last forty years. Has it worked? Are we are we a more connected country? Have middle class wages kept up? Are look at the material data? Has immigration enriched the well being of the United States of America, especially the last five or six years. I would say, of course not. Actually, we're more to We're more factious. And we see this in almost every European country as well. When you import a bunch of people that don't speak your language, that are from the Third World, all of a sudden, you have mass destabilization happening in your country. It's not a matter of being xenophobic. Instead, it's a matter of being patriotic to your own country and your own citizens. It's not about hating the foreigner. It's about loving the citizen, and your obligation is always to citizens first, not foreigners. 00:33:27 Speaker 7: Okay, so you don't think that the MAGA movement has led to xenophobic attitudes at all. 00:33:34 Speaker 1: I don't even know how to answer that. I mean, like, why not? Well, because you have to first define what you mean by xenophotic ab attitude. 00:33:41 Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, just like you said, you said, I mean, we're living in a divided world. You don't think that comes from people being anti immigration? 00:33:49 Speaker 1: No, I think it's the opposite. I think when you allow a bunch of people that aren't native born Americans too quickly, with no checks, no background, no idea who they are, and flood them into your towns. Definitionally, diversity is not a strength when it comes to local community ties. 00:34:03 Speaker 5: If you don't use it. 00:34:04 Speaker 7: If you don't use it, I don't know that you're committed to finding its strength. 00:34:07 Speaker 1: Hold on, No, explain this to me. This is a good question. What country has ever grown stronger the more divided it's been. 00:34:15 Speaker 5: None? 00:34:15 Speaker 7: But I'm not saying that's the point. 00:34:17 Speaker 1: No, no, no, But but diversity definitionally will divide you. Unity unit unifies you. You knowice They never say unity is our strength, they say, diversity is our strength. In fact, just so we are clear, there is nothing racist or xenophobic to say that you want your kids to be around people that speak English. There's nothing racist to say that it actually means that you want to be able to communicate with your neighbor. There's nothing racist and xenophobic to say, for example, we don't want to import people from a far off, distant land that don't share Western values, that don't treat women the same, that don't have the same respect for freedom of speech. So what we see is the unraveling of the United States of America. Because a country is is again just like doubtedly it is the people that inhabit it, So you have to be very careful what people you allow into your country. 00:35:05 Speaker 7: Sure, but I think that what you're talking about, this like mass shift in American culture is like not happening. 00:35:11 Speaker 5: I think you're fear mongering. 00:35:13 Speaker 7: And also I think that the United States forever has been a mix of culture. I don't really know like where you can point to a time in the US history that hasn't included immigrants in its culture. 00:35:25 Speaker 1: And from the twenties to the nineteen twenties and nineteen sixties. We had very little immigration in this country in nearly forty years. In fact, that is what largely led to us becoming a world superpower in the nineteen fifties, is we've felt that we. 00:35:38 Speaker 7: Had the Brassero program back then, where we brought in tons of labors from the from Mexico to the United States to work in agricultural and that's how we fed the United States. 00:35:47 Speaker 1: So again that was such, it was very limited in scope versus what we see today. But again I will ask a more moral question. Does a politician have first loyalty to its own citizens or to another country citizens? 00:36:01 Speaker 7: Absolutely, I'm glad you brought this because I wanted to circle back to my original question about the United States creating instability and the rest of the world. I do think that every single politician, like let's say I'm the Prime Minister of South Africa, you know my. 00:36:15 Speaker 1: Mind, is an incredibly anti white country, like, oh my goodness, anyway, dangerously anti white. 00:36:20 Speaker 5: Okay, anyway, do. 00:36:22 Speaker 1: You know about that? By the way, you should apartheid, yes, oh no, no, no, no no. It's like they're killing white people in the streets in South Africa. They're stealing farmland and do you if you don't know about that? That shows how the media is lined to all of you. It is literally a mini white genocide happening in South Africa right now. 00:36:37 Speaker 5: But I don't think that we should. 00:36:39 Speaker 1: No, it's fine you brought up South Africa, not me, but yes, that was just an example. 00:36:43 Speaker 7: Anyway, let's stay on topic. So let's say I'm the prime misiss for the country. I do agree with you that my first job is that country, for sure, That's who I'm leading. But considering the United States has created mass violence, instability, and poverty around the world, you don't think that we have some sort of obligations of the people who then have to flee from that. 00:37:02 Speaker 1: No, why not hold on? Uh well, why not define your terms? Where where have we created mass stability? Oh, grant you a raq that was a disaster? 00:37:14 Speaker 7: Where else in all of Latin America, in different countries, in Africa, places out like the Philippines that we colonize, Puerto Rico. 00:37:23 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, of course, I am always so interested in this as if it's like you can never blame those countries for not having their act together. It's somehow America's fault, like, oh, it's America's fault that Nicaragua can't get its act together. It's America's fault, even though we welcome Puerto Rico to become US citizens, like we've colonized them. So here's the paradox. 00:37:43 Speaker 5: You don't think that Puerto Rico is colonized? 00:37:45 Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, I'm saying though, so if we don't help Puerto Rico were evil when they become a territory. We colonize them, and we haven't done enough. It's like, which one is it? Exactly? 00:37:55 Speaker 7: So, the Puerto Rico was taken from the Spanish as a colony and used as a sugar farm for years, where the workers were paid less than a dollar per day to create sugar for the United States. And it's not really about statehood or independence. It's about letting Puerto Rico decide that for themselves. And anyway, this isn't about. 00:38:13 Speaker 1: Port No, it's fine, but more broadly, and I'll get to the final a couple final questions here. I can sense that your problem is that like America is super successful and these other countries aren't. And foundationally it's rooted in envy bitterness and resentment because we are the world's superpower. It's not because we've held anybody back. It's because we've had incredible people, really good ideas. 00:38:36 Speaker 7: The US has intervened in a negative other countries at times. 00:38:40 Speaker 1: Yes, at times we've intervened very favorably. We can you at least acknowledge at times that there has. 00:38:46 Speaker 5: Been aid, but there's also been no. 00:38:48 Speaker 1: Not just aid. South Korea exists because of American involvement. Kuwait exists because of American involvement. It's not it's not so. 00:38:55 Speaker 7: But but to to look at American accountability, you have to look the whole of that accountability. And to say that certain countries are less developed purely on their own fault is to ignore them. 00:39:08 Speaker 1: No, I can so that that's where we disagree. Countries have to take responsibility for their own future, which again, this is one of the reasons why so many people hate Israel. Every other country around there is like a third world country, and Israel is super successful and super agenic, and they're able to be like one of the wealthiest countries on the planet. You gotta wonder, what is it that they're doing. Oh, it's the Jews. Because they're stealing all this money. No, actually, they like work super hard and they don't believe in Islam, and they meant like wow. And the one place that you've ever been to those countries, Yeah, actually I have been to Israel, and I've been to the Palestinian Authority. I've been to that. I've been to the West Bank. I've actually visited it. Even if I hadn't, that does mean what I'm saying is wrong. Just for the record, by the way, I encourage you to try to go to Lebanon or Syria, not exactly the four seasons right, So not. 00:39:54 Speaker 5: Great that US intervention has anything to do with. 00:39:57 Speaker 1: That, partially, But again, to blame the evil US intervene invention for every single problem is at its core intellectually sloppy. 00:40:06 Speaker 5: I don't think so. 00:40:07 Speaker 7: Because the United States has two times the military of the rest of the world, and it has been in our DNA to intervene in a military way in other countries. 00:40:15 Speaker 5: So to say, I mean you, I know you believe it. 00:40:18 Speaker 1: So I want to try to square this all the other that I gotta get other questions. Just make sure I'm clear. So you're mad at America for getting involved in other people's countries, right, So America is bad for that, But then you want everyone to come to America. I thought America's bad. 00:40:32 Speaker 7: I'm saying that the United States needs to be held accountable. You can't meddle it. 00:40:35 Speaker 1: So we're held accountab by inviting the entire world here. 00:40:37 Speaker 5: If you are going to mess up that country, you have to do. 00:40:40 Speaker 1: Something about it, or do something invite them here. 00:40:43 Speaker 5: Maybe if you're the reason that they have to leave. 00:40:45 Speaker 1: No, right, then that that at its core. I'm glad you articulated it is neo conservatism, which is invade the world, invite the world, which is that you don't support the invasion part of it, but somehow we have to invite the world is some sort of like mass penance. 00:40:58 Speaker 5: So but that's like you and then say, oh no. 00:41:01 Speaker 1: I don't support the invasions. I'm just I think you are overly ascribing fault to the United States of America, when in reality it's these own broken countries that cannot get their own act together. A great example is this, and I'll close this. El Salvador is actually safer than America, that has billions of dollars pulling in El Salvador. Why because they elected bucel who decided to go after MS thirteen and clean up the streets of El Salvador. Which again it wasn't It was because they decided to do good things with massive action. Countries can be wealthy. Singapore is wealthy. You could be a very wealthy country if you embrace Western market ideas private property with low crime. And it's not always. 00:41:42 Speaker 7: I mean, in the case of El Salvador, the United States was the reason that the country broke down into gang warfare. 00:41:48 Speaker 5: And now if you look at the way they were able to. 00:41:49 Speaker 7: Turn around, they had to declare it's of emergency just to be able to turn things around. 00:41:54 Speaker 1: It's just like this is where we're different. And then I'll close. Then we have to get going. I look at America as a force for good. You look at everything wrong and you say it must be America. 00:42:04 Speaker 5: No, sir, I'm. 00:42:05 Speaker 7: Looking at bad things that they have done and calling for accountability. 00:42:09 Speaker 1: Okay, I again, I maybe we disagree. 00:42:12 Speaker 5: I don't know. 00:42:13 Speaker 1: I guess I think we're a wonderful country. And I think of a country as poor. They're poor by choice, and they have to be able to get their act together. Make better decisions and stop acting like victims all the time. Thank you very much. 00:42:27 Speaker 6: For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to Charliekirk dot com.