A Weekend of Tragedy

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We had invited Candicezones to be a part of a live stream today on this show later today after our live show, she of course declined to show up in person. And then over the weekend, Erica Kirk announced that she's going to be meeting privately and so with her and so sometime today, sometime today and so. Per that tweet, she said, basically, all live streams, public discussions and tweets are on hold until after this meeting. 00:01:53 Speaker 5: We'll see what unfolds. 00:01:55 Speaker 4: So we will see what unfolds. We are prepped ready either way. So that's basically where we're gonna leave that discussion. And you know, we're actually gonna have paramount tactical Gary Melton on the show at the half halfway point in this hour. We're going to touch just talk about some of the. 00:02:13 Speaker 5: We're two different guests, I believe talking about. 00:02:15 Speaker 4: Viva Viva Viva. Fry is going to come on and talk about why he believes Tyler is the shooter. Uh, He's going to go through some of the evidence, and he's also going to uh talk about his own little sort of spats and squabbles on on the social media, and then we are uh gonna, like I said Gary Melton from Paramount Tactical Ballistics Expert, he's also visited the campus of UVU since and and retrace the steps of Tyler Robinson. All that and more will happen today, and then we're gonna get into how Charlie was kind of a modern day it's a wonderful life. 00:02:48 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:02:48 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's an interesting pitch. It's a it's a friend of uh Chris Ruffo reached out and said this. 00:02:56 Speaker 4: It's a good takes as soon as she told us to, you know, he's pretty Yes, But we got a lot of news to go over in the meantime, and you know, obviously we had the Bondai Beach terrorism, which is just horrendous. We're gonna get into that. Just in a second. We had Rob Reiner was apparently stabbed to death along with his wife Michelle, who it appears that his the son Nick, who's had mental problems and drug abuse problems, homelessness problems. He's now in custody. And of course, uh, you know, we had this brown shooting where it's we're hearing reports that a Republican campus Republican. Well, she's dead, we know that, and it's a really terrible story. But there is also reports that she may have been targeted. So let's get into all of these stories because there we gotta go. We gotta go quick here. Uh, let's hit Rob Reiner because I think you and I both have some some appealings feelings about that. 00:03:51 Speaker 6: Yeah, that broke last night out of nowhere, very horrifying, just you know. It began with that police we're at Reiner's home in the Los Angeles area, and they found two bodies there that matched their ages, and then they were they were stabbed to death, and it just sort of dribbled out over the course of the evening, and it now appears the suspicion is that both Rob and his wife, Michelle were stabbed to death by their son, who I believe had a history of there's some addictions and issues, and so I imagine we'll learn more about how exactly that happened. It's a pretty gruesome way to get very I mean, unthinkably terrible. No one should suffer that way, and it causes us to look back and we saw things, and I mean, among other things, Rob was on he went on the air shortly after Charlie was shot, and he actually said quite kind things about him. 00:04:50 Speaker 5: Yes, do we have that ready to go? 00:04:53 Speaker 4: If not, we'll get it. But the the point is the we need to look at that as a good example, right of how to respond in these situations. And unfortunately, you know, with Charlie's death, gruesome same and you know, I instantly saw the parallels and I felt terrible for this family. I felt terrible for Rob Reiner, his wife Michelle, and you know, honestly, I just my heart felt with compassion, so instantly I went and I said as much on social media. I think that tweet has two point one million engagements now a lot of people retweeted it, and yeah, my heart goes out to their family. I have no idea the details of what was going on with there was a nick senseless tragedy. Terrible to see. And by the way, Rob Reiner's movie career, it should be the guy had incredible depth. Yeah, he gave into TDS and Trump arrangements. 00:05:52 Speaker 5: He was a left wing actually quite a sharp one. 00:05:54 Speaker 6: He got really in on anti Russia militarism. 00:05:58 Speaker 5: He said, all the he believe all that. You know, Trump's doing treason. 00:06:01 Speaker 4: Yeah, with Russia, stuff looks like, okay, it's terrible politics. 00:06:06 Speaker 6: It's a free country. Yeah, it is a free country. And he was allowed to believe what he wants. That doesn't mean it's okay for him to get stabbed to death by his son. 00:06:15 Speaker 5: And it's disgusting if anyone is celebrating them. 00:06:18 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, it really is. And you know, guys like James Wood, who's a conservative. He came out and he said, you know that he had worked with rob and they were able to maintain their friendship even though they are on diametrically opposed polar opposites of the political spectrum. And yeah, I mean it's just but here's some of his movies. This is Spinal Tap, stand by Me, Princess Bride, when Harry met Sally, A few good men. I mean, this guy had range, and say what you will tell those politics. The guy made some absolute classics of American cinema in the twentieth century. 00:06:53 Speaker 6: Yeah, and yeah, we should acknowledge it was an elephant in the room. President Trump unfortunately posted on truth social this morning. He said a very sad thing happened last night in Hollywood. Rob Reiner, a tortured and struggling but once very talented movie director in comedy star, has passed away together with his wife Michelle, reportedly due to the anger he caused others through his massive, unyielding and incurable affliction with a mind crippling disease known as Trump derangement syndrome, sometimes referred to as TDS. He was known to have driven people crazy by his raging obsession with President Donald J. 00:07:30 Speaker 5: Trump. 00:07:31 Speaker 6: And he goes on for a bit longer. I'll be frank, I think the president should delete that. 00:07:36 Speaker 4: Yeah, I understand that sentiment. He's getting a lot of blowback. Actually, Jake Tapper quote tweeted my tweet with Trump's truth to contrast them. I mean, listen, I wasn't tweeting what I tweeted, you know, with trying to make some large statement. I just my heart went out to him. What can I say? 00:07:55 Speaker 3: So? 00:07:55 Speaker 4: I do think it's fair though. As soon as we have this clip loaded on this Rob Reiner's reaction to Charlie. 00:08:03 Speaker 1: You first heard about the murder of Charlie Kirk, what was your immediate gut reaction to. 00:08:10 Speaker 7: It, well, horror, absolute horror, and I unfortunately saw the video of it, and it's this, it's beyond belief what happened to him, and that should never happened to anybody. I don't care what your political beliefs are. That's not acceptable. That's not a solution to solving problems. And I felt like what his wife said at the service, that the memorial they had was exactly right and totally I believe, you know, I'm Jewish, but I believe in the teachings of Jesus, and I believe in doing to others, and I believe in forgiveness. And what she said to me was beautiful and absolutely you know when she she forgave his his assassin, and I think that that is admirable. 00:09:11 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I mean, really, that's the only correct response in this moment. 00:09:15 Speaker 6: That is that is the only correct response, especially in it's whenever anyone dies, but especially when it's a heinous murder that no one deserves. And you know, there's a vast tragedy that goes into that. 00:09:28 Speaker 4: And he was also well known as meathead on was that. 00:09:34 Speaker 6: Which that was such a big deal in the seventies and it's more forgotten today. 00:09:38 Speaker 4: But he was great. I actually went and watched up the clips last night and they were they were hilarious. There was this uh oh, he was the dad in Wolf of Wall Street. I didn't realize that anyways, Rob Reiner. I just think it's a total tragedy. Yeah, his politics were awful. Don't care right now, literally, do not care. We're honored to be partnering with Alan Jackson Ministry, and today I want to point you to their podcast. It's called Culture in Christianity, The Alan Jackson Podcast. What makes it unique is Pastor Allan's biblical perspective. He takes the truth from the Bible and applies it to issues we're facing today, gender confusion, abortion, immigration, Doge Trump, and the White House issues in the church. He doesn't just discuss the problems in every episode, he gives practical things we can do to make a difference. His guests have incredible expertise and powerful testimonies. 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You could say, and I'm very sorry our country has lost one of its bright young stars. Eternal rest grant unto her. Oh lord, and that's from Vice President Jade Vance. Terrible tragedy. Everything that I have seen about this young woman said that she was brave, she was kind, she was helpful. She would throw in and help you lend a hand on anything going on on campus, especially with the College Republicans. So our heart goes out to Ella Cook. And her family and another terrible sort of tragedy over the weekend. They do not have a suspect at this time. They have not released video evidence. There's some reporting that would suggest that she was targeted Blake, so they had a suspect person of interest. They ended up releasing that that person of interest, which is just like a whole crazy how do I just it's unbelievable cameras everywhere, yea, in. 00:12:09 Speaker 6: Modern society that you could shoot that many people and get away and not have good leads. 00:12:13 Speaker 4: About ten were shot, two were killed. Unfortunately, Ella is one of those who were killed. And there unfortunately there was another shooting that happened obviously in Bondi Beach, Australia. Fifteen were killed as some Jewish celebrants were enjoying a Honuakah celebration and it was right right there on the beach. There's a whole bunch of crazy stuff with this nideline. 00:12:38 Speaker 6: Everything about it is exactly what Charlie warned about so often with bringing Islam. 00:12:44 Speaker 5: Into the West. 00:12:45 Speaker 6: So this was obviously of migrant origin, and they targeted a Jewish community and it was a father and son team they like lived in a million dollar house. But they still just go for radical Islam. So they've thrived in this country that welcomed them, and they decide to go and murder a bunch of Jews and they go, they go raid the house and the mother, she's I saw on gb news she was saying, you know, her son was a good boy. 00:13:17 Speaker 5: He was a good boy. 00:13:18 Speaker 4: He was a good boy. 00:13:19 Speaker 5: He was a good boy. 00:13:21 Speaker 4: And he was not a good boy, dear, He was not He was not a good boy. He was actually a terrible monster that killed a bunch of innocent people investigated and been investigating because he was apparently tied to an Islamic cell with the of ISIS, and somehow he was not detained, apprehended, his family was allowed to get guns. Like the whole thing reeks to high heaven here. I don't know how anybody in the Western world could be tied to an Islamic you know, Isis cell and first of all, be allowed to roam free. Actually they should have been deported immediately. We should take heed in the United States. Secondly, the fact that Australia, which has extremely restrictive gun laws, the father apparently had six guns legally owned, so the whole country cracks down on law binding people haven't. Yeah, yeah, and yet. 00:14:14 Speaker 6: Everything about this is just it's outrageous because this is Australia. Australia is this big, almost entirely empty continent filled with natural resources. They get that, they're they're settled by the English, the greatest country creators in the world. Australia has basically no reason to have any problems whatsoever. They could basically live. They could, you could all, everyone could live like a king in Australia. And what they do is because they have this left wing brain virus. Why do you need any Islamic migration into Australia. What country has ever been made better by saying, yeah, let's bring in more Islamic migration to this society. Has it made England better? 00:14:55 Speaker 4: No? 00:14:56 Speaker 5: Has it made Germany better? 00:14:57 Speaker 3: No? Yeah? 00:14:58 Speaker 4: And there was this, uh, I mean, you got to give credit where it's due. There was a hero that ran in I believe we have that footage, grabbed the gun and basically subdued it looks like the father and ended up getting shot a couple times in the arm by the son who was perched up on the bridge. So his name was I think Ahmed or something Ahmed, so it's actually another Muslim. He's been called a trader online by Fillow Muslims. And by the way, there was already video of people celebrating in Sydney, other Muslims celebrating the attack. It's eerily similar to what happened on October seventh, where you know, Jews get attacked and then you know people Muslims around the world celebrate so pretty sick stuff. And you know, I think we should play a cut from from Charlie here. Yeah, one fifteen. We have just enough time. 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You can follow him on x which is how I discovered him. He's been doing great work, just breaking down all the dynamics of the case. I think people's intrigue in the dynamics of the cases reaching an all time Hi. Actually because we we saw Tyler Robinson in court last week. So Gary, welcome to the show. It's an honor to have you. 00:18:05 Speaker 3: Hi. Thanks for having me. I appreciate it. 00:18:07 Speaker 4: So just a little bit on your background so people understand why you know so much about this topic. Gary Milton is a former US Army Special Forces green Beret. You served as a weapon sergeant and sniper team leader, completing four combat tours. Following your military service, Gary, you held a position of unit chief and special Tactics and Structure for a federal agency. Today, Gary is the owner and lead instructor of Paramount Tactical Solutions, a company dedicated to professional firearms and tactical training. You work full time doing that, so Gary, you also have a great YouTube and you're a great Twitter follower, so you know your stuff, and I wanted to have you on because you know, I refuse to go back to Utah like anytime soon. I'll just be honest, it's no offense. I just can't bring myself to do it. But you actually went to the campus and you retrace the steps of the alleged assassin. We have to say that in a sort of journalistic sense, not in any other way. I believe he's the man who pulled the trigger. Gary, tell us what you what you saw when you visited Uview. 00:19:12 Speaker 1: Yeah, so, you know, one of the things that I wanted to do while I was there. At the time, there was a lot of different U I don't know, conspiracies, we had the palm gun, we had different shooters and different locations. And what I thought was really important to do was go there. Number one, talk to eyewitnesses. I talked to multiply witnesses while I was there, you know that had very very similar stories. 00:19:32 Speaker 3: The other thing I did while I was there. 00:19:34 Speaker 1: Was actually I actually fluid drone uh and what we did was a three D map survey of the campus and we have since built a three D model of that that's interactive. 00:19:44 Speaker 3: People can download it for free. 00:19:46 Speaker 1: It's it's on my ex account, and that way people can kind of see what is possible, what has lines of sights. And I knew just from what people were saying that some of these theories that they were putting out just weren't possible. I knew there was no line side. And then on top of that, I just wanted to get some hard ground truth and see what was going on. And you know, this case was important to me. You know, I was a big fan of Charlie's felt personal and I think, you know, if you're going to get to the truth, you need to get there. You need to talk to some people, and you need to see the ground truth. And you know that's kind of what we did. 00:20:20 Speaker 4: Yeah, and there's a video here. 00:20:22 Speaker 3: Gary. 00:20:22 Speaker 4: I'm just gonna set you show it really quick so people can see how easy it ultimately was to get on this rooftop access point one three. 00:20:31 Speaker 3: All right, folks, So here's the stairs they go to the roof. 00:20:37 Speaker 1: Wow, this wall is about maybe three feet tall. All right, So right there is the shooting position. It's about two hundred feet away from there. You don't need to be spider Man. As a matter of fact, you don't even need arms. Literally get up there if you didn't have arms. 00:21:03 Speaker 5: Wow, that's a good visual. That's a good visual. So, just from your knowledge. 00:21:10 Speaker 6: Across the spectrum and your own visits, do you feel there's any misconceptions that you're seeing repeated over and over and over again that have spread really far that, in your opinion, are pretty easily debunked or opposed. 00:21:25 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, there's been a cycle of people taking very normal things, or maybe even slightly abnormal, and then turning them into suspicious items. 00:21:35 Speaker 3: Right. 00:21:36 Speaker 1: One of the things that really struck me on the ground there was exactly how. 00:21:38 Speaker 3: Easy this entire thing was. 00:21:40 Speaker 1: You know, before I went there, one of the things that was being portrayed was like this was, you know, some big conspiracy. It's very complex, you need professional hitmen. It's one hundred and forty yards, it's so far. All these things now, I knew the distances was nothing, especially for a scoped rifle. I mean that is you know, my eight year old son was going into courses with us shooting twelve hundred yards. It's not hard. And then once you see the layout of the campus, you know, looking at it from a security standpoint, unfortunately, it was a real challenge, you know, once the information was out that this was the location. 00:22:17 Speaker 3: And then on top of that. 00:22:18 Speaker 1: Once you look at the UVU courtyard, it is channelized. There's only it's obvious where any sort of speaker. 00:22:25 Speaker 3: Is going to be. 00:22:26 Speaker 1: So, you know, the thing that shocked me the most was how easy this was. And then once we get into coming back and then hearing things like hey, you know what, you need to be Spider Man, or people think that you have to have some sort of special access or that you have to climb up to the roof, when in reality, you walk right up to the roof. The pathway that goes in between buildings is level with the roof, and the only thing that separates that that walkway from the roof is you know a three foot guardbrail that you just step over. 00:22:55 Speaker 3: And now you're you have access. 00:22:58 Speaker 1: And the other thing is is very obvious to me if you just look at Google Maps, if you're trying to plan this operation, you know, it's it's simple. It's not that hard and it's not that complicated. And the thing is, we have all these kids out there playing call of duty, and you know, they're very tactically minded, and you know, there was nothing Especially once I went there, talked to people on the ground, saw the campus, A lot of what wasn't clear to me was crystal clear, you know, especially by the time that we got the charging documents out they laid out the evidence. Everything made sense, it really did. And you know, they continue to push a lot of disinformation and there's a lot of reasons behind that, but you know, that's what I wanted to do. Look, I don't want to be lied to by the government, but I don't want to be lied to by the internet either, And I think it's really important for us to make sure that we're pushing the truth and people are being honest about this. And you know, I think that's one of the biggest problems is is the omission. You know a lot of people pushing these different conspiracies theories in exploiting Charlie's death for their own means. They're not telling you this information, Like why haven't these people gone to this location and looked at this Why aren't they showing people how easy it is to actually access the roof? And if people saw what I saw a lot of this stuff would make a lot more sense to him, and they wouldn't believe a lot of these other artificial narratives that people are pushing. 00:24:25 Speaker 4: Well, and let me just because when I saw this video of yours, Gary, it was it reminded me of the charging document. So this is straight from the charging document, says Robinson's mother explained that over the last year or so, Robinson had become more political and started to lean more to the left, becoming more pro gay and trans rights oriented. She stated that Robinson began to date his roommate, a biological male who was transitioning genders. This resulted in several discussions with family members, but especially between Robinson and his father, who have very different political views. In one conversation before the shooting, Robinson mentioned that Charlie Kirk would be holding an event at UVU, which Robinson and said was a quote stupid venue. For the event, Robinson accused Kirk of spreading hate. And when you see how easy that rooftop access is, you start to kind of put one on one together and you realize that Robinson had a plan that he was going to ultimately take advantage of, and he obviously knew how easy it was to get up to that rooftop, which is yeah, which is terrifying. 00:25:24 Speaker 3: It really is. 00:25:24 Speaker 1: And look, you know, one of the other things that's being pushed around for a long time was that, you know, you TPUSA both a local chapter, and you guys didn't advertise this event till a couple days prior to now. The insinuation there is that that doesn't give Tyler enough time to plan for this. And what we found out with a little bit of I don't know twenty not even five minutes of googling and looking. Look, you guys have already put out on your website as early as August twenty seventh, so we have at least. 00:25:55 Speaker 3: Almost a full two weeks prior to this. 00:25:57 Speaker 1: That not only the time of the event, but the low the exact location of the UVU courtyard. 00:26:03 Speaker 3: So when you have over ten days. 00:26:05 Speaker 1: Of planning, and it sounds like that Tyler Alreadie was familiar with the campus to begin with, Like a lot of the mystery of this starts to go out the window and it starts to really conform with what is exactly being proposed by the State of Utah and the FBI. 00:26:21 Speaker 3: In the charging documents. 00:26:22 Speaker 4: Yeah, and we can attest we you know, Andrew Seipher, who's our head of field. You know, Charlie would sometimes throw these events out, you know, seven ten days in advance. If something opened up in his schedule, he would be able to do these outdoor events a pretty quick turn. And so those those whole that whole theory kind of goes out the window. You you mentioned drone. Explain to us the the conspiracy theories about drones. 00:26:47 Speaker 3: Gary, Yeah, so. 00:26:50 Speaker 1: You know early on Frank Turk talked about that on the way there that you know, he actually was looking at Charlie's phone and that he saw drone footage from the event. Now I had talked to with that in mind. I was at number one. I went to UVU and I actually put the drone up. We were going to do the survey. Immediately we were, law enforcement came up and said, hey, look we need you to take down a drone. Now, my drone pilot had already made all the necessary steps with the FFA to make sure that we could do that. And I explained to the law enforcement officer, hey, look, you guys don't control this airspace. 00:27:25 Speaker 3: He's like, well, we got policies, you have to do this. 00:27:28 Speaker 1: And we're not going to sit there and argue with him, right, So we ended up grounding the drone. We went and jumped through some hoops. We were trying to get some documents done. Long story short, what we ended up having to do was leave campus, we flew the drone. We were off campus, we flew the drone. We got the survey. So that kind of reinforced other people saying Brian Harpoole specifically saying like, hey, we couldn't get it. We couldn't get permission to get a drone up in the air. And of course people took that what Frank said at the beginning and said, hey, this is clear indication of lying and or a conspiracy. Well, what I found out was the picture that was being pushed around saying hey, this is proof that there was drone footage was actually it was very clear to me once I saw that picture. It is a wide angle shot of the crowd from it. 00:28:14 Speaker 4: Let's throw that up. Yeah, let's throw that ups. This is actually the I think the images guys I sent them to, Yeah, this is actually there was a walkway or a bridge elevated that there was just that was just from our events team that was setting up that event. They went up there to as they always did, to show Charlie the crowd size, so they took those images. 00:28:33 Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand why Frank thought this was a drone, you know, But again I think it almost shows that the lack of conspiracy, because you guys aren't sitting in there, you know, micromanaging what people say. 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I was a sniper team leader during that tour that came back went Special Operations, did three more combat tours, multiple training tours, ended up working as a special tactics instructor for a federal agency, and long story short, I ended up I wanted to work for myself, so I opened up Paramount Tactical Solutions. We offer training to civilians, military, and law enforcement, and you know, from basic to advanced, whether it's handgun, we kind of specialized. We're known for long range. So you can find us at Paramount Tacticle dot com. On top of that, you can also go check out our YouTube channel, Paramount Tactical and as well as our ex account Instagram. Look for Paramount Tactical. You'll find us and yeah, I love that to help. 00:30:56 Speaker 4: You out, Yeah, you've been doing great work. I just want to everybody should follow his work. He is, like, I mean, I reference him all the time. And we're going to get into ballistics. Do bullets do weird things? So, Gary, everybody that I've talked to since all this happened that's been in combat, everybody that I know in that role it's actually seen live fire in combat, says that bullets do weird things? What do I mean by that when they say that? 00:31:23 Speaker 1: Look, you know, when we talk about ballistics, we have internal, external and terminal ballistics and terminal ballistics is the study of what happens when a projectile hits target, and it is the most unpredictable we can We're pretty good at predicting what happens internally and externally, but once it hits a target, you know, there's so many things going on. It is an extremely high speed, energetic event, and there's so many things that happen at the micro level. As soon as that projectile touches anything at the speeds that it's going, it's going to deform, and really the prediction of that kind of goes out the window after that. The real problem that we have here in this particular case is everything that we would even begin to try to use to try to predict what could possibly happen, we don't know. We don't know the type of ammunition was it, you know, store bought? Was it handloads? We don't know the weight of the bullet, what grain was it? Was it fifty five grain, you can go all the way up to two hundred and twenty grain? 00:32:23 Speaker 3: What type of projectile was it? Was it frangivey? 00:32:26 Speaker 4: Yeah, when you're talking about the grain, what does that mean exactly? 00:32:30 Speaker 9: For the layman, it is. It's the weight of the bullet. So how it nope, nope, Just how much mass the bullet is, how heavy, how literally how heavy it is. It's what we use to actually measure. We don't use ounces or pounds to measure bullets. We use grains, and so it's how heavy that is. 00:32:52 Speaker 1: And so, you know, the thing that we need to understand is that the thirty out six was one of the most popular rifles in the United States for a really long time. And when we're picking ammunition, whether we're shooting, you know, varments all the way up to moose, there is a ammunition type specified for the thirty off six, and then you get into things like, you know, right here, I have reduced recoil ammunition, low recoil ammunition, tumble upon impact ammunition, again some additional reduced recoil. And when we have this large array of different ammunition and projectile types, to come to the conclusion that they're all going to result in that, you know, have the same results, which is what people seem to think is a little little crazy. And then just on top of that, like we could take the exact same ammunition, the exact same rifle the exact same target, and you were going to have varied results if you were shooting that exact same target one hundred times. It's just a very hard to predict what's going on, and there's a lot of variables that we can't account for, and we don't even have that information with when it comes to the Tyler Robinson case to begin with. But there's also a lot of variables that you'll never account for, just between the variances of the AMMO conditions, the way that it hits the target, all of these. 00:34:12 Speaker 6: We have a question from a listener Jazz. They ask, Uh, why didn't the dude have a gun when he was jumping off the roof? Plus was him putting it together or taking it apart with those little tools and being able to do it so quickly? 00:34:28 Speaker 5: Was that plausible? 00:34:29 Speaker 6: Especially on the second one, I'd have to refresh myself on the first. 00:34:32 Speaker 5: My belief is did he have. 00:34:33 Speaker 4: It car carrying his pant leg? He was walking with a weird gait on the video and we actually have some images of this Gary if you want to start. 00:34:42 Speaker 6: Yeah, but if you have thoughts on the on the assembly questions specifically. 00:34:46 Speaker 1: Yeah, So unfortunately, what we had was we had the governor of Utah make kind of a silly statement and he said when he was after the after he took the shot, he disassembled it. That is not true, true, and he actually does have the rifle when he jumps off of the building, and you can actually see it in several shots. The problem is we have a really crappy video that has been cropped way in but if you actually look and look at it, there are many times where you can see what is. 00:35:15 Speaker 3: Clearly a rifle. 00:35:17 Speaker 1: Now, as far as assembly, what we believe is that he actually had the barreled action separated from the stock and when he was walking around with that barreled action down his leg, so that's just the action in the barrel, the part that holds it all together, well, not really the part that holds all together, but the stock, the part that we is separate from it so he could make it more compact and carry it to the shooting location. Here's some great examples of pictures that I pulled where you can actually see that he clearly has something much longer. The problem is that this video footage is so poor, and then on top of that, it's zoom, so it's you know, it's cropped so far in that it is very difficult to see this, and I understand why people are confused that. But all it takes is two spruce to put the action, the barrel action back onto the stock itself and it's not going to affect accuracy or anything like that. It would take less than a minute and it's not that complicated, not that hard, but people have tried to overcomplicate it. 00:36:18 Speaker 4: Yeah, this was fantastic, Gary. We're gonna have you on again soon. Gary Milton, Paramount Tactical. 00:36:24 Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you for having me. 00:36:31 Speaker 8: For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to Charliekirk dot com