A Surprise Christmas Gift for the Economy?

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So here to unpack that with us is former Trump economic advisor. 00:01:24 Speaker 3: And now he's with unleashed prosperity. 00:01:26 Speaker 4: And that's of course Steven Moore, a longtime guest on this show and good friend of Charlie's. 00:01:31 Speaker 3: Stephen, welcome back to the show. 00:01:33 Speaker 4: On a scale of one to ten, how good was this news that broke this morning? 00:01:38 Speaker 3: Four point three growth Q three for GDP. 00:01:43 Speaker 5: It's a really good number. It's a solid number. I'd put it in an eight or a nine. Trump wants five percent growth. We're not quite there yet, although we could get there. Incidentally, once you get above three and a half percent economic growth, then the economy grows faster than the debt grows. 00:01:58 Speaker 6: And so the burden. 00:01:59 Speaker 5: You know, I know everyone listening to the show is concerned about our massive debt, and one way of lowering that debt is to grow our way out of it. So look, I'm super bullish on this US economy. It's been a really good twenty twenty five. I don't care what the polls are showing that all of the indicators show a very strong growth year. And I think we're going to see a speed up in twenty twenty six because a lot of people will come up to me on the street and say, hey, Steve Moore, I know you help. 00:02:25 Speaker 6: Write that beautiful bill. Why did I seeing it? 00:02:28 Speaker 5: And I tell people, well, because yeah, it hasn't taken effect yet for tens of millions of Americans on January first, when they get their first paycheck for the month of January, they're going to start to see less money with help from their paycheck, which is exactly what Americans want to see. 00:02:44 Speaker 3: Awesome. 00:02:44 Speaker 4: Okay, well, let's play some of the reactions from the news media. Here one eighty nine. 00:02:49 Speaker 7: Third quarter numbers. 00:02:51 Speaker 6: We're looking for three point three. 00:02:53 Speaker 7: Zoom, zoom zoom, four point three percent. Four point three percent. That is a nice jump. And I know many may question data gathering, but on the surface, this would be the strongest quarter going back to the third quarter of twenty twenty three when it was four point seven. 00:03:12 Speaker 6: This is strong. 00:03:13 Speaker 7: Three point five on consumption blows away the two point seven we were expecting. That would be the best since the last quarter of twenty four. On the price index, here's some not good news. Three point eight percent on the price index. That's much higher than two point seven we were looking for. 00:03:30 Speaker 4: All right, so we hit the first part, you know, where we beat the GDP forecast by over a point potentially. 00:03:38 Speaker 3: But what is he talking about with this price index, Steve, Well. 00:03:41 Speaker 5: I'm not exactly sure quite honestly, because we got a really blockbuster number on inflation earlier of the week, late last week. I guess it was where the inflation rate fell at two point seven percent. And if you lack at the last look at the last couple of months, inflation is headed down to two percent or less. And as you know, the bad target rate, which is the rate we should shoot at, is about two percent inflation, so we're headed in that direction. I think that numbers just look overall really strong right now. To me, I don't quite understand why. If you look at the opinion polls, about half Americans think the economy is not doing well and even more so. And I don't get that because it is, you know, it is well. 00:04:24 Speaker 6: Now. 00:04:24 Speaker 5: A lot of people just say it's doing poorly because they hate Trump, right, you know, you get forty percent of Americans, no matter how good things are, they going to say things are bad. But it's going to be harder and harder, in my opinion, as we move into twenty twenty six and these good numbers continue to roll in, it's harder for the left to sustain that narrative that it's not a good economy. 00:04:43 Speaker 8: Yeah, I think they're calling it. The line i've seen is calling it the vibe session. It's the numbers seem good, but the sense of among a lot of people as it's bad. Could it be specifically that the situation is very tough for young people just entering the workforce. 00:04:58 Speaker 3: I know the hiring for entry. 00:05:01 Speaker 8: Level jobs this year was very rough for people just out of college. Is that diverging more than usual from the fate of other workers in the economy. 00:05:10 Speaker 6: Well, let me say a couple of things about that. 00:05:12 Speaker 5: I'm smiling when you say that because I graduated from college in late nineteen eighty two, so I'm an old part you know, I'm a baby boomer. 00:05:19 Speaker 6: Just to get put these things in perspective. 00:05:21 Speaker 5: When I graduated from college, the inflation rate was not three percent, it was nine percent. The unemployment rate was not you know, four percent, it was eight percent, and the mortgage rate was not five percent. 00:05:37 Speaker 6: It was like fourteen percent. So for young people to say, oh, gee, this is a very good economy, they don't. They can't put this in any kind of perspective. Now. 00:05:45 Speaker 5: I think the one thing that where I would like to see improvement on is on the housing front, because I have two sons that are in their early thirties and they're doing fine with their careers, but they cannot afford to buy a house. 00:05:57 Speaker 6: And that's a result of a lot of things. 00:05:59 Speaker 5: We could get into it, but it is true that housing is very expensive right now. 00:06:04 Speaker 3: So what what is driving that? Then? Stephen the housing market. If you talk to jd. 00:06:09 Speaker 4: Vance, if you listen to what he's saying, he's saying, it's a supply and demand issue. We've just been letting in too many people, the foreign populations too high, illegals, that sort of thing. Is that is that really what's driving it? 00:06:20 Speaker 9: Is? 00:06:20 Speaker 4: There are other core drivers of the housing affordability issue. 00:06:24 Speaker 6: No, I thought. 00:06:25 Speaker 5: I think it's kind of scapegoating to say it's due to immigrants, because actually immigrants build housing. 00:06:29 Speaker 6: They don't just they don't just take up housing. 00:06:31 Speaker 5: I think the real issue here is a couple of things. One is states and localities around the country have put in all sorts of restrictions. 00:06:40 Speaker 6: I'm building new housing, and so you. 00:06:43 Speaker 5: Know, if you don't have an increase in supply, then the price of something is going to go up. 00:06:46 Speaker 6: So we've got to. 00:06:47 Speaker 5: Get rid of these restrictions in so many In fact, in many of the blue cities and suburbs, you can't build new housing, and that's a big problem. The other thing that is going on here is that people are locked in to their homes. So we charge a capital gains tax if you sell your home and you make a if you buy sell the home for more than you. 00:07:07 Speaker 6: Bought it for. 00:07:08 Speaker 5: Well that's almost all Americans because the value of housing has been going up. And so what people do to avoid paying that very very significant tax is they don't sell their home. So people are locked into their houses. So what I've proposed to Donald Trump is get rid of the capital gains tax on housing when it's sold. And if you do that, you'll have an increase in supply and prices will come down. 00:07:31 Speaker 4: Well, I got to take issue just a little bit. It is a supply and demand issue, and if we have more people in the country, then I get that a lot of the laborers that are building houses are immigrants. But I mean they are going to have to live somewhere, so there is a dynamic there that. 00:07:46 Speaker 6: Yeah, but we've been. 00:07:47 Speaker 5: We've been taking you know, for the last thirty years, we've taken tens of millions of immigrants and housing has actually been a low cost. So there's but look, I take your point, you know, Trump Biden let in, we don't know exactly how many a. 00:08:01 Speaker 6: Lot of illegal immigrants. 00:08:02 Speaker 5: I'm very pro legal immigration, but I'm very much against the illegal immigration. 00:08:07 Speaker 6: And that's so I think you have a point there. 00:08:09 Speaker 4: Yeah, fair enough, all right, So let's get this is Kevin Hasset. Charlie loved Kevin Hasset because it was like this breath of fresh air and optimism when he would come on the show. Let's hear what he's having to say. 00:08:19 Speaker 1: One ninety three, President Trump's trade agenda is working. And so we got about, you know, one and a half percent of the growth on four point three because we reduced the trade deficit. We went back and we looked at every Blueberg forecast for the main numbers since September and found that on average, we outperformed the forecast ninety four percent of the time. So if ninety four percent of Wall Street economists are getting the macro trends wrong, they need to start to think about, Hey, you know, maybe Trump's policies are actually way better than we thought, and maybe the fake news that says all these terrible things about Trump policies should reconsider and you know, grab their pencil and redo their economics. 00:08:57 Speaker 3: So, you know, Stephen, it begs the question. And I have two questions for you. 00:09:01 Speaker 4: Why do they get so why are these economic economists getting so much wrong? 00:09:05 Speaker 3: Is it just tds? 00:09:06 Speaker 4: And then I want to talk about tariffs, you know, because that seems to be the big hot button question. 00:09:11 Speaker 3: You could take it in whatever or do you want, Stephen. 00:09:13 Speaker 5: So, yeah, it's absolutely true that Trump derangement and syndrome is a pathological disorder in this country, and it does judge, it does change people's perceptions of what's happening in the economy, especially academics and professional economists who keep low balling the numbers and they keep getting them wrong. You know, is as my friend Kevin has I said, ninety four percent of the time they're wrong. Maybe they should start thinking that their assessments and their. 00:09:43 Speaker 6: Models are completely off base. 00:09:45 Speaker 5: They got the inflation numbers wrong, they got the job numbers wrong, they got the trade deficit numbers wrong. In fact, I'm writing a column on this right now as we speak about. You know, these professional economists probably should turn their PhDs back in and say we don't know what we're talking about, because they are consistently wrong. 00:10:02 Speaker 4: I think economists are simply struggling to catch up with a new paradigm, and they underestimate the amount of leverage America has as the market the point that everybody wants to play into and sell into. But you know, Trump's flipping the economic models on their heads. President Trump walked into a catch twenty two when taking office. Do nothing in America would be staring at a ticking debt bomb, the kind of crisis that could cripple our future. 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President Trump is fighting for America's future. Now it's your term to help protect yours. All right, Steven Moore, I gotta I gotta ask you a softball question. What's not soft? It's a really hard question. Actually, what is your favorite Christmas movie? 00:11:30 Speaker 3: And why? 00:11:31 Speaker 6: Oh Love actually is one of my favorite modern ones. And then I'd have to go with Miracle on thirty fourth Street. 00:11:37 Speaker 8: Oh wow, you just got an email endorsing that one. 00:11:42 Speaker 3: Four Street. 00:11:42 Speaker 6: You guys are so young, you've probably never even seen it. 00:11:45 Speaker 3: I saw the remake. 00:11:49 Speaker 6: You gotta look at the old old one. 00:11:51 Speaker 3: No, I've seen it. I've seen it. Might see. 00:11:53 Speaker 4: I grew up in a house that was full of like John Wayne movies and World War two movies in the black and white. 00:11:58 Speaker 8: We got one, you got a Caleb said their favorite was Muppets Christmas Carol. 00:12:02 Speaker 3: I need to see that one. I don't think I ever have see. 00:12:05 Speaker 4: I like the old school, like the English, like the more English, and like you know, gloomy, the better. So you know, let's let's deal with this tearff question one last time here or Blake, you've got an email, right, yeah, listening? 00:12:17 Speaker 8: No, yeah, we've got we got an email from someone I think on the Vibe session topic whire people down beat and he says it's food Stephen go to the grocery store and tell me the economy is great, okay, Biden, Oh, get in, get into what's a response to that? 00:12:33 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, no, Look I get that all the time, even from my wife, I like says, you know, she goes to the grocery store, she comes back really angry about you know the price of steak used to cost you, you know, twelve dollars and now it's twenty twenty five dollars. So I get it. I feel your pain, folks. But if you look overall at the economy, by the way, bet price are way up. 00:12:53 Speaker 6: Guess what. 00:12:53 Speaker 5: Pork chops are way down in price. Uh, there's a lot of things. Cell phones are down in price, Airline airlines are down in price. 00:13:00 Speaker 4: Uh. 00:13:01 Speaker 5: Motels and hotels are down in price. Televisions are down in price. So overall, the inflation rate is head in the right direction. But I understand people are angry when they come back from the grocery store. And I can tell you this though, that we're going to start to see declining grocery prices as not declining prices. But this is the other thing. Trump keep saying, I'm going to bring prices down. What he meant to say is I'm going to bring the rate of inflation down. We don't want to see deflation. That's even worse for the economy than inflation. We want to stabilize the prices, as my friend Steve Forbes would say, and create a sound stable dollar. 00:13:37 Speaker 6: And that's exactly what Trump is doing. 00:13:39 Speaker 3: Well, we are seeing energy prices drop. 00:13:42 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, gasoline amazing. 00:13:44 Speaker 3: I mean gas is under yeah. 00:13:47 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a I think in Cincinnati it's at like two point fifty a gallon. Uh, might be one of the lower parts of the country, Kententuch. 00:13:54 Speaker 5: By the way, do you know what state has the highest gas price? 00:13:58 Speaker 3: California? 00:13:58 Speaker 6: Yeah, by like like five bucks a gal in there. 00:14:01 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, it's a little lower than that, but you know, like it's very structural California has you basically can only refine exactly the fuel for cars over here, and they won't build new refineries and so it's a whole issue. 00:14:16 Speaker 5: Yeah, but there's a serious point. But there's a serious point here. If you look at the ten states that have the highest cost of living, nine of them are blue states because liberal Democrats cause shortages of everything because of their stupid policies, high taxes, high regulations, and therefore the price rises. So if you want lower prices, folks move to a red state like Florida, like Texas, like Alabama, like Utah. 00:14:41 Speaker 6: That's where prices are low. 00:14:43 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:14:43 Speaker 4: Well, I mean, listen, I'm sympathetic to people that want to stay in their home in the blue states, right, we don't want people having to leave the locusts that keep infiltrating. Blake, you had one more question on that, or did I missing. 00:14:56 Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, it was just that one there. 00:14:58 Speaker 6: Oh. 00:14:58 Speaker 8: I guess we could ask him what he thinks of the on housing, what he thinks of like fifty year mortgage topics or whatever. 00:15:04 Speaker 6: There's there's very stump. I'm not a big fan of that. 00:15:08 Speaker 5: I think, you know, you know, stretching out the mortgage is a dumb thing to do. Look, I know Trump's herd is in the right place on that. But the best way to bring the hot price of housing down is to bring the mortgage rate down. And the way you bring the mortgage rate down is bring the inflation rate down, which Trump is doing. Mortgage rates will continue to fall as prices stabilize. 00:15:30 Speaker 4: Yeah, hey, real quick, we have two minutes left here. Steven, you were you knew Charlie for a long time. When did you first meet Charlie kirk. 00:15:38 Speaker 5: So, I mean I was thinking about that the other day, and you know, he he I met him when he was way before you guys did. I think it was eighteen or nineteen years old, really just getting started. And my friend Gary Raybyne, who was very close to Charlie, had a event with Charlie and I think he was just starting. I think, as I said, just you know, about eighteen or nineteen years old that I er this, who is this? 00:16:00 Speaker 6: He knows kid? 00:16:00 Speaker 2: You know. 00:16:01 Speaker 5: You know, he was very ambitious, and I don't say that in a negative way, in a positive way. 00:16:05 Speaker 6: He knew he what he wanted to do. He knew he wanted to be leader. 00:16:08 Speaker 5: And what he started doing is like reading out laugh or reading Larry Kudlow, reading Steve Moore and educating himself. And by the way, you can educate yourself way more by reading the stuff that we write than the crap that they teach in college on the economics, because most of it is wrong. That's the reason ninety four percent of the professional economists got it wrong. But he, you know, I just saw his evolution over the next twelve eleven or twelve years, and every time I saw him, he just got better and better and better and better. And boy, I mean, it's just such a sad thing because I really believe Charlie Kirk was on path to someday be President of the United States. 00:16:45 Speaker 6: I really believe that. 00:16:47 Speaker 4: Yeah, And you guys, I'll never One of my kind of lasting memories of this show with Charlie at the Helm was every time you'd come on, Steve and we'd have this this whole topic prepped, and it would be, you know, Charlie to talk about this and this economic new number came in and what Trump's gonna do or whatever, and then you guys would just like talk about Chicago the whole time. 00:17:08 Speaker 6: Well, he and I both loved the Chicago. By the way, how about those Bears. 00:17:12 Speaker 5: They I pulled off a miracle and soldiers Field this weekend, so we're proud. 00:17:17 Speaker 3: Of you know, the same night as Stephen. 00:17:19 Speaker 4: It was the Bears one in that overtime game against the Packers and the Ducks. 00:17:24 Speaker 3: Don't remind me. 00:17:28 Speaker 5: Well, you know what, that really was a miracle that the odds of the Bears winning that game with two minutes left was. 00:17:34 Speaker 6: One and two hundred, one and two hundred. Miracles really can't happen. 00:17:39 Speaker 4: It's a Christmas miracle. Stephen Moore, Thank you from Unleashed Prosperity. 00:17:43 Speaker 3: Thank you Merry Christmas. 00:17:47 Speaker 10: This is Lane Schoenberger, chief investment Officer and founding partner of wy REFI. It has been an honor and a privilege to partner with Turning Point and for Charlie to endorse us. 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So many people feel stuck. Go to y refight dot com. That is y r e f y dot com. Private student loan, debt relief, yrefight dot com. 00:18:55 Speaker 4: All right, Next up here is Bata Ungarsaragon. She is the host of Bata with an exclamation mark on News Nation. 00:19:04 Speaker 3: Bati, you have we were talking on the phone. 00:19:07 Speaker 4: You've been watching everything from that happened at Amfest from Afar and you, you know, you were so complimentary to me and to turning point about the event, because I think maybe. 00:19:19 Speaker 3: You were surprised by it a little bit. 00:19:21 Speaker 4: You were a little nervous, little trepidation going in when you saw the speaker list. And then tell us what you're thirty thousand foot view? What was the vibe for you watching from Afar? 00:19:32 Speaker 9: First of all, thank you so much for having me Andrew, I have to say, I'm like unexpectedly getting a little bit emotional because it's my first time on since Charlie was taking. Yeah, he meant so much to me. Actually, there's a woman on my street whose car has We live in Brooklyn, South Brooklyn, so it's you know, not you know, hipster Brooklyn, but her car is just festooned with stickers about Charlie. And I was literally staking out the car because I didn't know who it belonged to and I just wanted to thank her. And the first time I saw her getting out of the car, I just ran overturned. We just had the most amazing conversation about what he meant to this country, and so thank you so much for having me. I think about him every single day. I thought that the America Fest you put on was incredible, incredible. It was so important because you allowed the debate to be aired, and I think we get really attached to our positions in this country, and then we get really attached to the idea that, you know, we have to convince people that were right, and we forget that the most important thing is I think what Charlie really stood for, which was the view that more unites us than divides us as Americans, and that you have to have the conversation, you have to trust your fellow Americans, and you have to bring that love he had even to people that don't agree with you. I think like that is the thing that we really lost, was that spectacle of him going to those college campuses and talking to people whose views I know he thought were bad and wrong and dangerous, but you could still see the love that he brought to them. And that's my New Year's resolution, is to be more like that, even especially when I'm talking about the things that mattered to me the most. And I just felt that you, really, you and Erica made that happen. You aired the debate and everybody could see it for themselves, and because this is the greatest country on Earth and the American people are the most incredible people on planet Earth, it reminded me to just trust that process of seeing the debate and hearing the debate and listening to both sides. So I just I watched every minute of it. I was glued to it, and I'm so proud of you, and just again like to see Charlie's legacy being carried on in such a fulsome way was really moving to me and really powerful. 00:22:10 Speaker 3: Wow. Well, thank you, thank you for saying that, Batya, it means a lot. And I know Blake. 00:22:14 Speaker 4: Blake's in studio there in Phoenix, and you know, we we both sort of watched everything play out, and we saw the online chatter, and you know, the elephant in the room is sort of this foreign policy debate, the Israel debate, but also this debate. Ben kind of kicked things off on night one calling out some of the people that he had grievances with, and then they ended up taking the stage later, some of them at least, and kind of throwing it back. 00:22:40 Speaker 3: So it, like you said, it was this this. 00:22:42 Speaker 4: Debate, this airing of the family business, as Erica called it. 00:22:46 Speaker 3: And but then we led up to Blake. 00:22:49 Speaker 4: Feel free if you want to chime in on that and on that point before I move on, because I do have a question for Batya. 00:22:55 Speaker 8: No, let's get into it. 00:22:57 Speaker 3: Let's get into it, all right. 00:22:58 Speaker 4: So you on your show had some words for I mean directed at JD Vance and I want to give you a chance to kind of talk about that. 00:23:08 Speaker 3: Let's go ahead and play two of nine. 00:23:09 Speaker 11: For those already anointing the vice president is the GOP nominee for twenty twenty eight. 00:23:14 Speaker 6: You might want to slow your role. 00:23:16 Speaker 11: Leadership is about having principles and standing up for them, no matter the blowback. Not being afraid of offending actual nazis all. 00:23:25 Speaker 4: Right, So that seems to be the cliff. I see you smiling there, So I am obviously team JD. 00:23:32 Speaker 3: I think he's an amazing leader. 00:23:33 Speaker 4: I thought his speech at Amfest was morally clear. He condemned anti semitism, he condemned racism, di anti white racism, anti Asian racism, and it felt like to me being there, it was kind of like Dad's in the room. Settle down, kids, here's the north star, here's where we're going. By the way, we certainly are not trying to anoint JD vance anything. 00:23:57 Speaker 3: It was sort of this if you're in turning point circles. 00:24:01 Speaker 4: Charlie was talking about that we have JD's back one thousand percent, and he hopes he runs, and if he runs, we've got his back, you know. So it was kind of this thing that's been said out loud forty eight times. I think Erica was just kind of like, let's just say it out loud, you know, let's just do it here. But from your perspective, why did you say what you said? And you know, what is it going to take to kind of get you to come around on the JD Jdvans conversation. 00:24:24 Speaker 9: I want to believe I'm so honored to be able to have this conversation with you, Like you have no idea what it means to me to be here with you in the room on so many issues. I think JD is spot on. You know, my top issues I would say is I think what President Trump represented, which was you know, being pro worker, pro labor. The dignity of working class Americans is like my number one issue, which entails you know, getting to immigration zero right away for as long as it takes, you know, in order to make sure that Americans have access to the Amya dream before we start giving it to everybody else. On foreign policy, I'm whare that I guess the fifty percent of the turning points draw Phole was like I see Israel as a great ally among great allies. Our interests are frequently aligned, but not always. Sometimes these Raelies I think overstep and I've been, you know, glad to see President Trump have a really strong idea of when our interests are aligned and when they diverge, and choosing American interests when he needs to, you know, so on all of that stuff, I feel like, you know, very much on the same page. Certainly don't want to go back to the like Rhino pre Trump version of the GOP. I think that would be a huge mistake and a huge betrayal of the American working class, which is like where my allegiances lie as a Jewish American, But I will say that I think there have been podcasters out there who have been saying things that make me, as an American and as a Jew, feel like I'm questioning whether this movement wants me, for example, platforming people who think that Hitler was not the villain of World War two, that's just going to make every Jewish person like somebody a podcaster agreeing with that point of view. The way that Tucker Carlson seemed to is going to make every Jewish person feel like, wait a minute, is that actually a question? And so when JD says, well, I'm you know, close to Tucker Carlson, I disagree with him about a lot of things, but I'm not going to be clear about what those things are. That leaves people thinking, well, you know, is that one of the things or not. 00:26:37 Speaker 4: Yeah, and Blake, I want to get you in on this conversation because you obviously have a really long conversation relationship with with Tucker, but I want to show that you mentioned the straw pole. Go ahead and throw one seventy eight up on the screen. It shows fifty three point four percent consider Israel an ally thirty three point three percent our top ally. Only thirteen point three percent say that Israel is not an ally of the United States. So despite all of you know, the handwringing, all the loud voices online, we still are at you know, eighty seven percent of Amfest attendees consider, you know, Israel. 00:27:13 Speaker 3: Either our top ally or an ally. 00:27:16 Speaker 4: And you know, maybe what you're seeing in the shift in the dialogue is more to you know, one ally of many as opposed to our top alley. Maybe that's the shift you've seen in the Trump era, Blake, I want, I want to give you a chance to respond, just because of your relationship. 00:27:30 Speaker 3: Yeah, so a few things. 00:27:32 Speaker 8: I totally understand where you're coming through, specifically on some of that. Yeah, the Hitler stuff that's popped up more, I've I will say, I've been hearing stuff like that honestly my entire adult life. 00:27:45 Speaker 3: It bubbles up. 00:27:45 Speaker 8: I think there is an element where some people find it interesting in a transgressive sense or something. And I'd want to say, I hope it has no modern political manifestations, but it does. It does pop up with a degree that if I were a Jewish American, I think I would find it disturbing as more disturbing as you do. 00:28:03 Speaker 3: I don't get why. 00:28:05 Speaker 8: Some people think, in this particular political moment, relitigating an eighty year old war's morality is of great importance. 00:28:14 Speaker 3: But some people like that. I will say, I'm some of that. 00:28:19 Speaker 9: Can I just jump in for a second, sure, Like when you first of all, I think it's not just Jewish Americans. I think every American should feel worried about this question of whether or was truly Yeah, but I mean beyond that when you say you're like, I don't know why somebody would bring that up, but you know, like that, I know why they would bring it up because they you know what. 00:28:41 Speaker 8: I'm saying, Like, that's fair, that's fair, There's there is it's unfortunate. I do think that pattern is real for certainly at least some of the people doing it. A big picture, I recognize Vice President Vance and everyone in this coalition. We have a tough challenge. We asked we were doing one of our exclusives interviews. I think it was when we had Megan I think it was actually when we had Michael Noles on and we just asked the crowd, raise your hands. Do you agree more with Ben Shapiro or more with Tucker, and it. 00:29:10 Speaker 3: Was about fifty to fifty. 00:29:12 Speaker 8: Ultimately, what we've been saying is we have to be able to build a coalition that is for it. And what I liked with Vice President Vance was he's saying, we are going to define this movement by positive things, by positive affirmations, and those are going to be good affirmations that make us a superior alternative to the left. And I think if Vice President Vance is setting a positive example, and if he's taking on a leadership role that shows that positive example, he can shape the movement in a good direction that is good on policy, good on unifying rhetoric. And instead of having to go around playing place and disavowing people, what you are is what you are avowing is going to make people into something better. And I think that's an example Charlie himself tried to set while he was with us. 00:30:02 Speaker 9: I was truly humbled by how right Andrew and Charlie and you, Blake were about how you set up the whole America fest. I just came away feeling like it could not have gone better, and that was because of the disparity between me and the views that I heard there. 00:30:22 Speaker 4: Hey, everybody, This is Andrew Colvett, executive producer of The Charlie Kirk Show. 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Go to Berna b y r NA dot com. That's Burna dot com. And see why tens of thousands of Americans are choosing Berna for peace of mind. I have to ask, I think this is gonna be the hardest question that Batya has to navigate as a Jewish woman. 00:31:32 Speaker 3: What is your favorite Christmas movie or the like? Is there like a Hanuka movie? 00:31:36 Speaker 9: I don't even know, Okay, I just every year I watch all of the Christmas rom coms, And the thing about them is is that they're all exactly the same, and they're all equally delightful and delicious. So I couldn't even tell you which is the best one because I can just watch them again. 00:31:55 Speaker 5: Is it? 00:31:55 Speaker 3: Are there are there traditions? I know? 00:31:58 Speaker 8: I know Jewish Americans often eat Chinese is on Christmas? Are there traditional movies they watch that are like, emphatically not Christmas movies or something? 00:32:06 Speaker 9: Well, the Big Labowski is often on the list, for sure, the dude buds. You know, I'm an Orthodox Jews, so the traditions of like secular liberal Jews, I'm not as familiar with them, you know, to us Christmas is. It's funny because one of the things is, you know, like there's certain texts that you're supposed to study and that you're not supposed to study on Christmas? Dude to like so you know, there's that conversation as well. 00:32:33 Speaker 4: But this is way more complicated than I realized. This was a hard question. 00:32:37 Speaker 3: The JD. Van's questions easy, all right. 00:32:40 Speaker 4: I accidentally opened up a whole can of worms asking a Jewish woman what her favorite Christmas movie. It's not a fair question. It's not a fair question. I apologize. Bati did wonderful with it, though. Christmas rom coms, what are those? 00:32:53 Speaker 3: Even? It's like love actually is one? Love? Actually? 00:32:57 Speaker 6: Love? 00:32:57 Speaker 9: Actually? 00:32:57 Speaker 3: Well, what's the one with? 00:32:59 Speaker 4: What's the one with John Cusack and the British Goal where they they they they meet and then they. 00:33:05 Speaker 3: Try and find each other again. I'm forgetting it. That's that's another Christmas movie kind of There's a. 00:33:11 Speaker 9: Really good movie called The Family Stone. 00:33:14 Speaker 3: See you and I have wildly different movie taste. Spot there. 00:33:17 Speaker 4: This is this is going, this is spinning out of control. We need to bring it back, ran it back, all right. So my here's my pointed question for actually why UK. So you've got guys like Steve Bannon, he calls himself a Zionist. You've got Matt Gates, who just did the interview with Tucker Carlson. He calls himself pro Israel. You've got a lot. Meghan Kelly has been traditionally extremely pro Israel. Their biggest beef is that they feel and and by the way, Charlie had this conversation with Meghan, you know, just before he was assassinated. Actually it was just this feeling from like the gentile friends of the Jewish people and Israel that there is a moral blackmail campaign where the pressure just feels like, you know, if you're only with us eighty percent of the way, we're not gonna be happy and we're gonna we're gonna call you names. 00:34:07 Speaker 6: It. 00:34:07 Speaker 4: I do find it counterproductive. I'm not saying everybody's guilty of it. I'm literally about to send a video to Dennis Prager wishing him a merry Christmas because he loves Christmas. And you know, I love you like completely, even when I disagree with you. But that's so, what is that dynamic and what do you do about that? Do you feel like the response after October seventh is driving away friends of Israel. 00:34:27 Speaker 9: I'm going to give an analogy. Okay, I am a person who feels that we should not be funding the Ukraine war. Okay, I've thought that from the beginning. Two weeks in. Putin was like, if you all just recognize the status quo and ratify it, that CRIMEA belongs to Russia, which he had already taken eight years earlier. You know that the dun Boss is independent, which there was a civil war there, and that Ukraine is not part of NATO. I'll withdraw immediately. 00:34:55 Speaker 3: I thought we. 00:34:55 Speaker 9: Should have pushed for that. You know, we had gas prices were insane the time. I just didn't understand why, you know, a few hundred kilometers in Eastern Europe was the responsibility of the American working class to bear. Now, if you hold that view, which I do, you will get letters snail mail delivered to your home with death threats from people who are pro Ukraine. The entire Ukraine lobby will come after you. They will impugne your character, They will call you a Putin puppet. Doesn't matter how many times you say Putin is a thug and a murderer, which is what I believe. The people who feel very strongly about this issue will do everything they can to get you to shut up. And you know what, Andrew. That is their job. I don't hold that against them. And the idea that that would make me embrace Russia as the good guys because the Ukrainians are behaving insane at the extremes. That's insane because I don't answer to the inverse of what the most extreme people in a lobby are doing. I answer to my God. I have to face myself in the mirror. 00:36:06 Speaker 3: So you know. 00:36:07 Speaker 9: And the fact that there are these loons at the extreme of the Ukraine lobby that doesn't even influence how I think about Zelensky, or the Ukrainian people, or the vast majority of the people who think we should be funding the war in Ukraine. I have a policy difference that makes me very unpopular with a very big group of people, and the extremes of them are extreme in their opposition to me and think I should be dead for having my view. The idea that I would allow that to influence my view would make me an unserious person. So do I think there are people in the Israel lobby who embarrass me because they are extreme? Sure? Do I think Israel itself has in some ways behaved badly, especially vis a vis our president the greatest friend the Jewish people I've ever had. Yes, does that if somebody allows that to determine whether they interview Hollocos survivors. It's anybody telling you that that is an excuse to become antisemitic, I think is not a morally serious person. That is a person who is not answering to their God. That is a person who is answering to the inverse of the algorithm. And I look down on that. 00:37:15 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And I know that you think some of the reaction has been counterproductive. So I just wanted to give you an opportunity to say that. And listen, I am going to convince you on jade Vance. It's just gonna happen. I'm gonna take a bow, and the Internet's gonna know because Jadevan is a good man. 00:37:31 Speaker 3: And I know you. 00:37:32 Speaker 4: Want to believe, and I know you're you're waiting for you You're you're waiting for You're waiting for the signal to proceed. 00:37:38 Speaker 3: We're gonna We're gonna get you there. Batya. 00:37:40 Speaker 4: Thank you for joining on this twenty third of December, two days before our Christian Christmas. 00:37:51 Speaker 10: For more on many of these stories and news, you can trust go to Charliekirk dot com.