A Clancy Mistrial In Massachusetts + The Disaster of Left/Right Alliances + AMA 278

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And everybody was trying to figure out, is it a man, is it a woman? 00:02:00 Speaker 3: Because that'll tell us what it is. 00:02:02 Speaker 1: Right. If we know it's a man, we know that everybody else wants to acquit her of murder. And the one man is obviously going to be the lone holdout saying, no, you don't let a woman who just murdered three of her kids off, okay? This is basically the state of play in America right now. Really, really crazy stuff. But now that gets, we find out that the defense attorney, Reddington, wants this person removed. That's another piece of evidence, right? Because they don't understand this definition of reasonable doubt. And so the judge is dictating to them what reasonable doubt is. 00:02:37 Speaker 4: Okay. 00:02:37 Speaker 5: Okay. 00:02:37 Speaker 1: Okay. Now he says that the judge is going to talk to this one juror at 9am. So basically this happens. Then the defense attorney says he ah so the defense attorney is now saying the gender the sex of the one juror now we know there's nine women and three men okay and so the judge finally goes and says i'm gonna declare a mistrial and this is the key clip here we're gonna play it for you but we are in a waiting game which is very fascinating after this clip you'll understand what i mean sat nine. 00:03:10 Speaker 6: I would ask that before you formally declare a mistrial that the court afford us the opportunity to take a 211.3 appeal direct to the Supreme Judicial Court, single justice on this issue because of any number of issues that are of concern, others that have been addressed in the motions, the objections. But I further raise the issue of the American with Disabilities Act. I believe that this is a situation where there is a clear and present danger that this individual, for some reason, what it is, we don't know. but is taking a position that's intractable, regardless of proof beyond a reasonable doubt. So I want an opportunity to take an appeal to the single justice if the court will afford us that opportunity. 00:03:54 Speaker 7: So you're asking for an emergency stay at this point? 00:03:56 Speaker 8: Yes. 00:03:57 Speaker 6: If you want to go up and petition to the SJC for a stay, I'll give you an hour before we bring the jury back down. 00:04:05 Speaker 1: I didn't know about that part. 00:04:06 Speaker 5: Americans with Disabilities Act, are they implying the juror has... Irrational hatred of disabled people, and that's what's going on? 00:04:15 Speaker 9: Why? 00:04:15 Speaker 1: Because she's in a wheelchair? 00:04:16 Speaker 3: In a wheelchair or mental illness, perhaps? 00:04:18 Speaker 1: So this is the base. This is what we know. It's an absolute shock. And I will tell you, again, people on the ground in Massachusetts are saying this is completely unprecedented. But he's given it. So just to put a bow on this, he's given Clancy's defense an hour to petition Massachusetts Supreme Court to remove the lone holdout juror blocking Clancy's acquittal. All right. And so this is from a Fox News reporter. He interviewed retired Massachusetts judge Jack Liu. He says this chance to appeal for a stay is unprecedented in the Lindsay Clancy as Lindsay Clancy's attorney, Kevin Reddington, plans to ask the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court, quote, I've never seen a jury put on ice to await an appeal. That's an extraordinary situation. Judge William Sullivan gave Reddington one hour to file for an emergency stay while jurors were all ready on their way back to the courtroom. So this is this whole thing. 00:05:17 Speaker 5: It's like you ever see that old Al Pacino movie and justice for all. 00:05:21 Speaker 1: You know, I'm out of order. This whole court is out of order. Exactly. It almost it's like the whole country is out of order. Exactly. We never expected this psychosis. So so everybody, you know, I tweeted something and, you know, in my comments, I was like, you don't know. It's a man. I'm like, yes, I do. Here is, do we have 14 ready? Yeah, let's go ahead and play stop 14. 00:05:41 Speaker 7: That juror told you that he would be able to apply the law to the facts. 00:05:46 Speaker 6: As you asked him. 00:05:48 Speaker 1: You hear that? That was, it was, I think that was intentional. I think everything this defense attorney, Mr. Reddington, is doing is a, is a, candidly, a cynical play on female emotions. He's been doing it the whole trial. He's playing to the juror, jury, that he knows is, is occupied by nine women and three men. And so he let that slip. He. 00:06:11 Speaker 10: He. 00:06:13 Speaker 1: Did you catch it? You want me to play it again? I'll prove it to you. The internet thinks I'm lying or something. Stop 14. 00:06:18 Speaker 7: That juror told you that he would be able to apply the law to the facts as you asked him. 00:06:25 Speaker 11: He. 00:06:27 Speaker 1: So we know. We know that there is, basically here's the ratio. You got nine women that want to acquit her. The woman who murdered her three children with an exercise band strangled them. You got two men that are complying, and you got one man standing up against all of them. 00:06:47 Speaker 5: And then we have a lawyer complaining about that this violates the Americans with Disabilities Act somehow. 00:06:52 Speaker 1: I'm telling you, this was a, candidly, it's a shameless play on female emotions. And here's the trick, and the women in this audience are smart enough to know this. Because we get the best. We have the best women. You guys are based, you get your common sense, and your moral compass is intact. Here's the deal, though. Every man knows another man like Attorney Kevin Reddington that manipulate women, that are actually talking down to women. And the smart women know the game. They know that there's a man that's trying to manipulate them by playing, you know, trying to be too cozy up to the way that he thinks you're feeling. The smart women know the game, and they reject those men. They think that they're disgusting. And the not-so-smart ones, that's when they say, oh, I feel heard. I feel seen. That's Kevin Reddington. That's what's happening right now. And there's one guy standing up against him. And then they make Instagrams that are like, me too, Lindsay. Yeah, same Lindsay. Same Lindsay. Holding your baby. Like, the whole thing is sick. And by the way, there is a massive new sort of, like, trend of these women that are killing their kids. There are copycat Lindsay Clancy's happening all across the country. I'll show you some headlines in the next segment. So, yeah, this is just one case. Let's hope this blows over and we look at this as like a bad nightmare. But what you're seeing here is truly disturbing stuff because we have to maintain moral clarity as a country. That's why these cases matter. I think that's why ultimately they get into the psyche, into the zeitgeist of a culture. Because we, as a people, have to still understand right from wrong, and we still have to have the backbone to hold people accountable. It doesn't matter the sob stories. This is why Savannah's clip yesterday was so telling. Savannah Hernandez, great TPOSA Frontlines reporter, she went to New York and just asked men and women what they thought. All the men, she's guilty. She should go to prison for a long time, for life. All the women, well, it's complicated. Postpartum psychosis. You don't know. You weren't there. You don't understand. And all these women posting these videos. This is sick, sick stuff. But the more we learn, the more we learn that there is one man standing against the mob and he's an absolute legend, an absolute patriot. They're going to out this guy, by the way. This this guy's identity will be known by the public. And he will be doxed. 00:09:24 Speaker 5: Well, I mean, at this point, they're basically threatening, you know, that they might bring some sort of misconduct proceedings against him because they're not even accusing him. They're basically saying this guy has lied under oath to the. 00:09:34 Speaker 1: Court that he did. Yeah, he's lying that he could sort of. Listen to the instructions of the judge. Follow the rule of law. And we will get into this Massachusetts law. 00:09:43 Speaker 5: I feel obliged to give the caveat that it will be funny if it turns out everyone misread it because I don't think they're allowed to know specifically whether they're deadlocked on acquittal. 00:09:51 Speaker 3: What if this guy is the only one who wants to acquit? 00:09:54 Speaker 1: Can you imagine? I don't think that's the case, but it could be. We should say it could be 11 that want to go for guilt and one that wants to acquit. All right. So we've got this graphic here that is Libs at TikTok put this together and it's a mashup of all the copycats. So when you sort of wondering out there, kind of as I've done a couple of times, like when we get these These trials that kind of captivate the nation and everybody's focused on them. You know, through the years, you get one of these every so often. 00:10:25 Speaker 9: Right. 00:10:25 Speaker 3: I think we actually probably get more of these than you think. 00:10:27 Speaker 1: Well, it's usually don't get it. 00:10:29 Speaker 10: You know what? 00:10:29 Speaker 1: We used to get a lot of them. And then Trump became president. And it was like the whole way we covered politics ended up consuming much more of the oxygen in the room. But this used to be like all the time. Yeah, it used to be. 00:10:40 Speaker 5: There was less political news. So all the cable had to fill it. Oh, latest mom who went insane. 00:10:44 Speaker 1: Yeah, or whatever story that kind of captivated the country. But Libsyn TikTok put this together. And we have it here. But it's just the wildest thing. So in the upper left-hand box, they'll throw this up. Child two killed in Frankfurt home. Mother hospitalized from self-harm, police say. 00:11:02 Speaker 4: OK. 00:11:02 Speaker 1: That just happened on September 2nd. Mother accused of fatally shooting her two-year-old daughter, charged with murder. That's the upper middle box. Mother slit throat of her three children to their father, say goodbye to your kids. Tells father to say goodbye to their kids. 00:11:19 Speaker 5: Mother indicted on capital murder charges. She was in the throes of a mental health crisis when she burned her children to death in an SUV. 00:11:29 Speaker 1: And then Lindsay Clancy in the middle. 00:11:31 Speaker 5: Mother accused of killing nine-month-old child after holding a blanket over its head as she cried bloody murder. Doctors say mother who confessed to killing sons was in state of psychosis. Mom injected three children with insulin before dying by suicide amid custody dispute. So some of these might not, they don't fit the exact same pattern. I mean, say goodbye to your kids. Sadly, tragically, parents in a custody dispute who decide to just turn their kids into a weapon. against the other of course by killing them well. 00:12:00 Speaker 1: And that part feels connected because lindsey clancy didn't apparently didn't want her children to live without her so she took them out first and then threw herself off like a like a family annihilator yes exactly let's go ahead and throw throw up uh sat 17 this is actually a news report of a suspected copycat sat 17. 00:12:19 Speaker 12: A community in shock after police say a two-year-old dies at the hands of a family member. Frankfort police say it was around 4 p.m. Tuesday afternoon when officers responded to a call for help. First responders arrived in the block of Brookstone Court to find an unresponsive child in a home there. This neighbor, who did not want to be on camera, noticed the commotion and says investigators had been at the usually quiet cul-de-sac well into the night. Investigators say officers arrived and performed CPR on the two-year-old child who was taken to the hospital and later died. Police say the child's mother was found trying to hurt herself and was taken to the hospital with non-life-threatening injuries. 00:12:56 Speaker 1: Okay, so here's why I think this is important. And we're watching the one-hour appeal before declaring a mistrial. I happen to think it's going to be a mistrial, which if we're right, it's 11 to 1 to acquit. This might be actually the best option available because... And Jonathan Turley, who is, I think, a very smart guy, and he kind of gets this. He said, if you're going to retry this case, you might avoid doing murder one because that tends to be the highest threshold, sucks all the oxygen out of the room. It's not 16. 00:13:31 Speaker 13: Do you believe that the prosecution might try this differently? Do you think that they may change the charges? Do you think they may do anything that might give them a better chance of perhaps convincing a jury of their argument? 00:13:44 Speaker 14: Oh, I think that they should certainly look at this. If it is an 11-to-1 jury, they miss by considerable margins. They may want to drop murder one. There's no way that they're likely to secure a murder one verdict. But it also creates a very high cliff leading into these other counts. prosecutors often overcharge in these cases and a murder one charge i can tell you as a criminal defense attorney tends to work in favor of the criminal defense because it is such a high standard sort of sucks the oxygen out of the room. 00:14:18 Speaker 5: Oh mistrial is confirmed mistrial confirmed it's like it didn't happen wow yeah so so this is this case is now going to be retried but As he said, they might have to rework it because I don't think– it feels unlikely to me the state will try to bring a full murder charge again if they took 12 people and 11 of them were votes to acquit. And that's before this case blew up to be the biggest national thing where it's going to be impossible to select a jury that wasn't really following this, I suspect, where it's even more likely that some people might have a politically influenced attitude on the case. 00:15:00 Speaker 15: Yeah. 00:15:01 Speaker 1: I think, uh, I think they're, you know, the, the chat, our group chat here is speculating whether they're going to retry it. They're going to retry it. They will retry it. They might have to move venue. This really saturated the, the, the town of Plymouth. Um, you know, this is what's going to happen. I'm still double checking. Are we sure it's been confirmed? I'm not a hundred percent sure it's been confirmed. I'm just, I want to give one grain of salt here that it's been confirmed. Uh, But let me end this segment with this, and then we're going to bring John Doyle on, who was part of this MAGA vs. America First debate that Brandon Strzoka with the Walkaway guys have been hosting. Really fascinating discussion. But here's why it matters. I believe sincerely that we are in a spiritual battle. We do not fight against only flesh and blood, but against powers and principalities. We know this. And my wife has been an interesting... lends into the female psyche during this Lindsay Clancy trial. And she's been taken aback by many of her friends from high school or, you know, that she's been in touch with or communicating that are feeling this way about their own lives. And there is this malaise, this, I think it's an oppressive spirit, candidly, that women across the country are feeling, especially moms, and it's sick. And that's why you're seeing copycat stuff. We have to be a country that that has our moral compass completely fixed and right. 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All right, really excited about this conversation. As we are on Mistrial Watch, we have John Doyle. And John, I was talking to one of your friends over at The Blaze, and they really, really impressed upon me that you have to plug your show. So let's start there. Where do people watch you and find you? 00:17:54 Speaker 4: If you would like to watch me discuss politics on the internet, you can do so at youtube.com slash John Doyle. I run the aptly named John Doyle show. Uh, and you can find me on Apple, Spotify, wherever it is. You get your podcasts. 00:18:08 Speaker 1: Well, I think that's important actually, because, um, Blake and I have both become fans of yours in, I would say, the last six months. We've really started tuning in. And I think you're on this massive wave right now, John. On a wave? 00:18:23 Speaker 5: Because you're saying what needs to be said about stuff in a very compelling way. And that's why we wanted to have you on. You were in one of these debate panels where people were discussing, oh, is MAGA done? Is it different from America First? Also, some of the people saying, should we make some sort of grand alliance with people who we have regarded as being on the left, the far left? 00:18:48 Speaker 1: Yes. 00:18:49 Speaker 5: And you had a clip both of us very enjoyed yesterday where you responded to that. You were specifically responding to a post, I believe, by Marjorie Taylor Greene or Marjorie Trader Brown or whatever she's called on Truth Social now. But I think we should just play that clip 12. 00:19:05 Speaker 16: You've argued that MAGA is the authentic America first, that separating the two is a form of subversion or civic nationalism with a new coat of paint. 00:19:14 Speaker 10: Can you expand on that? 00:19:15 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that post is one of the most retarded things I've ever read in my history of like reading things about politics on my phone. We're past this idea that we can unite Americans left, right and center. I watched literally millions of Americans who happen to vote for Democrats or whatever celebrate the assassination of arch patriot and second most important national figure for conservatives other than Donald Trump, Charlie Kirk. These are not people who you can unify with. These are people who even if they don't support and go out in the streets and black block and terrorize well-meaning conservatives. 00:19:44 Speaker 1: It continues on. 00:19:45 Speaker 13: Yeah. 00:19:45 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, we have a lot of clips from you. And actually, because they're so strong, John. I'm going to play one more before. Well, actually, why don't you I'll let you fill in because we have all these clips in the descriptions are long. I don't pick the right one. Explain what was actually going on here in the basic fault line, the division that was happening here. 00:20:04 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I was hesitant to even— well, first of all, I'm very bad at my job, as we kind of covered at the beginning of this segment. I'm bad at promoting my content because I don't really enjoy the job of being an influencer. I find it to be very gritty. You know, the kind of people you get involved with, it's just a very gross sort of, I guess, assembly. That being said, if the debate is going to happen, you know, MAGA versus America first, I feel like I have to participate in it because— I find the conversation itself to be subversive, this idea that we could be doing something more effective for Americans than what Trump has been able to do. And so we need to break off from Trump and form some new thing. And so I participate in the debate. And, you know, I have my segments, as I'm sure that's a. we'll get into. But that was essentially just to say, yeah, you know, now we are at a time of unprecedented strength for the Republicans in this country. We have never racked up so many victories and put the left on such a back foot. It's unclear to me why now we should be calling for unity with the people who a year ago were celebrating the assassination of one of our most effective operators. So that is language of strength or excuse me, that is language of weakness. You know, if we were in a position where we were really weak, we would be having to beg the left for unity, beg them to just have conversations with us or something. Now we don't really need to do that because we understand the threat that these people obviously pose to our civilization. And we understand that they have no intention of unifying with us. And so finally, for the first time, perhaps in our lives, we are in a position where we get to say, okay, fine, you don't want unity, whatever. We're going to govern the country and make America great again. And what's so interesting too, is so many of these people who are promoting this idea of some kind of left-right alliance are If you recall, three years ago, these people like Marjorie Taylor Greene were forwarding this idea of the national divorce, which is to say we have such irreconcilable differences between the left and the right that we literally have to split the country apart. Now, apparently, in the past few years, as we've seen indictments, mugshots, assassinations, it's been made clear to her that we actually can unify with the left. And the real problem is the Epstein class or data centers or something like that. So it's just totally ridiculous. 00:22:04 Speaker 1: I completely agree, by the way, John. I cannot, for the life of me, okay, I get it. People are upset about Iran. I get it. You didn't like Iran. I didn't like Iran, if you want to know the truth of it. But to your point, it's like, in our lifetimes, we've never achieved so much. 00:22:28 Speaker 5: Goes logarithmic under Biden. And finally, this one, bam, three million backwards. They've undone Obama's first term in less than two years. 00:22:45 Speaker 15: Yeah. 00:22:45 Speaker 1: And by the way, every month we break new records on deportations, new records on self deportations every month. And by the way, if you don't think that that is like civilizationally important, you have not been listening to our show. The immigration issue. is the fix-everything switch, okay? There are other switches that might be there. It's comical when you look for it. 00:23:07 Speaker 5: It's like, oh, now we have had a huge crash in foreign students, which means all these left-wing universities, they're having their finances melt down, and some of them might. 00:23:15 Speaker 3: Have to close. 00:23:16 Speaker 1: We're rooting out DEI in the federal government. 00:23:18 Speaker 5: Shockingly, suddenly there's a surge of hiring and various blue-collar jobs because wages had to go up. It's just all of these good effects are coming downstream of this. 00:23:26 Speaker 1: There's so much good here, and I get it. Iran played at every single fault line imaginable. It's the Israel debate. It's the foreign policy debate. It's the we're not focusing on affordability debate. I get it. It was literally the one thing that could just rupture a lot of these people's brains. But you made such a good point here. I'm going to keep letting you tell it in your own words because this is from the debate itself. Sat 13. 00:23:51 Speaker 4: If you took 100 people who are more sympathetic to the America First rather than the MAGA side today, they are not going to say that. They are going to say that Trump has betrayed us. We need to do either a new party, which fractures the GOP, or we just sit out and don't vote because the whole thing is corrupt. 00:24:05 Speaker 10: No, I agree. 00:24:05 Speaker 4: That's why Democrats love this conversation. That's why they amplify it in mainstream news. That's why the same social media algorithms, which banned me, banned you, I think banned at least two other people on this side, all of a sudden now they love conspiracy theories. 00:24:17 Speaker 10: Why is that? 00:24:18 Speaker 4: Because the ultimate thing is... Don't support Trump and disengage from politics. 00:24:23 Speaker 1: It's such a good point. If you took a hundred MAGA and a hundred America first, which by the way, like it's a stupid delineation for the record. I just think it's told I'm America first. You're America first. I am born here. I will die here. My kids are born here. I am given everything I got to keep this country going on a sane trajectory. I love this country just because I don't sufficiently like, I don't know, hate Jews or something. I don't get to be a part of this new America first like cutaway breakaway. I don't know. That's essentially what what I see is the divide. But it is so subversive because to your point, we could keep going down the list. We have the lowest murder rate that we've ever recorded per capita since like 1900. Crime is dropping like crazy. It turns out when you start deporting people and enforcing laws, crime drops, murder drops. Again, you keep going. I'll give you the floor. I'm just very excited about this conversation, John. 00:25:19 Speaker 4: Well, that's the thing is they never want to call balls and strikes like we did this debate. 00:25:23 Speaker 1: Right. 00:25:24 Speaker 4: Where it's MAGA versus America first. The idea is what should we do? Who should we side with? Every segment we did 30 minutes relitigating the Iran war where we're arguing about who wanted this to happen less. We all agree, basically. But who wanted this to happen less? Now we do 30 minutes about the Epstein files. We all agree this was not handled well. Well, who's angrier about how this was handled? I literally sat there. I didn't say a word the whole time because I frankly I didn't want to debase myself by playing king of the hill with a bunch. 00:25:51 Speaker 1: Of stupid conversation. 00:25:52 Speaker 4: So I kept trying to drag the conversation back to the stated purpose for the conversation, which was, OK, so what? 00:25:59 Speaker 1: So what are we supposed. 00:26:01 Speaker 4: To do about it? And you notice every segment was about Iran, Epstein, flock cameras, which I don't know what that has to do with Trump. But it was all meant to tarnish the image of the Trump administration. There was no segment on immigration. There was no segment on crime. Things that without exaggeration are going to save tens of thousands of American lives. I mean, what gets more America first than that? They never talk about these. And to the extent that they do, they deny that they're happening. They deny the existence of the mass deportations, which CNN is happy to report on. They deny the existence of anything being done about cracking down on anti-white discrimination, which the New York Times is happy to report on. So they are like meaningfully and purposefully distorting the conversation, which, sorry, I'm honest, I can't assume that that is in good faith. I mean, we wouldn't tolerate this kind of behavior if we were working at a restaurant or something, and certainly we shouldn't tolerate it. in a political movement which is literally fighting for the future of our civilization, which all of us are going to have to live in. 00:26:57 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's so apt. It's just even the topic selection was all just to sort of continue driving these fault lines deeper. And when you have an administration that has accomplished more than any other administration in living memory for the conservative cause, It's just wild. I mean, you could maybe argue Reagan, but I actually, I mean, I think as we reexamine some of the Reagan era stuff, there's valid critiques there. But it's just wild that this mass demoralization campaign has been so effective with so many people that have platforms and have followers. I'm going to play another clip from your debate, SOP 15. 00:27:37 Speaker 4: I don't care about the intent. The effect is the same thing. I do not care about the intent. This is subversion by definition. Frankly, this whole conversation is subversion by definition. 00:27:46 Speaker 2: You say we can't recruit them. 00:27:48 Speaker 15: That's how Trump got reelected. 00:27:50 Speaker 4: Going into 2024, Republicans and independents were ranking immigration as their most important issue. We've spent five minutes tonight, if that, talking about immigration. Instead, we've spent like an hour and a half relitigating the Iran. 00:28:00 Speaker 1: War in the Epstein files. 00:28:01 Speaker 4: And yet that, he's been the best president we've had on immigration in a century. He's the only president to ever meaningfully combat anti-white discrimination, more so than Nixon, more so than Reagan. 00:28:08 Speaker 10: We're debating what's in the way of the fixing tax. 00:28:11 Speaker 4: Literally, like the social media incentives that you guys are all capitalizing on because you know you're going to get like epic viral go-off moments. 00:28:19 Speaker 1: Oh, dang. That's really what gets it for me. John Doyle. 00:28:24 Speaker 3: Ah, you're so good at it. 00:28:25 Speaker 1: I'm telling you, bro. You're having your moment. You're having your moment. 00:28:28 Speaker 5: You're having your viral go off moments, which are the good ones because they're highlighting, as we say, I actually read an amazing tweet from another guy I follow that was so good this morning. 00:28:38 Speaker 1: And he just says, a. 00:28:39 Speaker 5: Fundamental problem for the right versus the left is that the right if you fix problems, it makes people forget about them. It's way better to be the left and to make the problems you complain about worse and avoid responsibility. 00:28:52 Speaker 1: Cause think about it. They do that all the time. They do it. Housing. 00:28:55 Speaker 5: Every single left winger is like, I'm a housing activist. Every city they run has the most expensive housing and it always gets worse because they make it worse. 00:29:03 Speaker 1: Their ideas fail. So John, John, I got to ask you. So you were in that the end of that clip, you were sort of isolating what you think is driving the incentive structure. I, I, I believe that that was an accurate thing you said about the social media clips and your go off moment and all that stuff. Do you think there's anything more insidious going on here? I mean, a lot of people are alleging, you know, foreign bot activity, like foreign nudging. Do you think like I mean, do you think it's possible some people are paid off? I mean, I'm not alleging anything, just to be clear. I'm just asking, what are the options on the list, and what do you think's really going on here? 00:29:41 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I obviously, I think a lot of this has to do with foreign countries obviously having an interest in the failure of the Trump movement, as Trump, of course, has been the only person to ever meaningfully put America first at scale, while imperfectly still certainly did better than any president we've seen in our lifetime, so I'm a foreign country. I, of course, have an interest in the failure of that movement. I want somebody who's going to concede to this idea of multipolarity, who's going to allow for an ascendant China, Russia, India, whatever you want to call it. So the foreign thing is certainly part of it. I'm positive that there's some sort of like DNC laundering component, perhaps, you know, rogue cells still occupying the deep state, giving these influencers talking points, ideas and so on. Some of it is just that they are genuinely stupid and just seek attention. 00:30:24 Speaker 1: Above all else. 00:30:25 Speaker 4: What I would say, though, is that I would urge people to not need a reason to kind of give themselves permission to write these guys off. You don't need to have confirmation that they're being paid off by the CCP to write them off. You don't need to have confirmation that they're working for the DNC to write them off. is like demonstrably false demonstrably harmful to our movement which does need to succeed on the margins to succeed at all and so by virtue of that alone it can be dismissed especially when you look at the personal conduct and they just lie about everything like they lie about something get called out on the lie well the reason i lied was because i really just care about things so i'm going to keep lying tomorrow it's like obviously just treacherous just horrible behavior that displays no integrity. So I think that the sooner these people are exiled from the movement, the better. And I don't say that because of their ideas. I'm not trying to bring back the age old tradition of conservative blacklisting because someone said something naughty about a controversial idea. I'm saying that in order to enact change, we need stable, committed, virtuous people. These people are not stable. They're not committed. They're not virtuous. Therefore, we don't need them at all. 00:31:32 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it was interesting, too, in this idea that they lie. I will tell you, and Blake and I can attest, because we've been sort of on the front lines of all the Charlie Kirk trutherism and stuff. It's wild. It has been a revelation. The extent to which people will lie, they'll get called out on the lie, and they won't correct what they say. They won't correct. They will just keep regurgitating the lie. They'll never reflect on it. Yeah, it's both. They'll regurgitate the lie that's been debunked, but they keep moving on to a new one and they keep coming up with new lies to just parrot and keep stringing people along. This is why I love what Andrew Wilson, who was also on that panel to your left, I believe, is doing. He's drip, drip. I love it because he's using their sort of like gaming of the whole algo against them. And I think it's actually really important. You kind of mock and you use their tools against them. I mean, but we don't want to become the monsters that we despise either. And And I think that's why your call to virtue and integrity is so important. And I think Jesus says this in scriptures, you will know them by their fruit. You will know them by their fruit. And the fruit of a fractured, chaotic movement where everybody's backbiting and infighting and we're spiraling into these purity test moments, which Charlie never did. Charlie was always first principles. Do we agree on 80 and disagree on 20? Great, you're on the team. We'll figure it out, right? Do you agree on the big stuff? Purity spirals are a sign of a very broken movement. It's a bad sign. When you see purity spirals, look out. That is a red flag. John, we have two minutes left here. What would you like to see happen before the midterms? But candidly, I don't know if it's too late for that or not, but towards the midterms, towards 2028? 00:33:20 Speaker 4: Everyone needs to pick up their Bible, man. I feel like so often we're just a movement of everybody pretending to have read their Bible, which I myself have never completed a cover to cover read. So I'm not pretending to be holier than thou or anything. But what does it say about the way Satan exists and the way he operates? He is the father of lies. He is the accuser. What does that mean? He is someone who makes false accusations, bears false witness, one might say, specifically to divide otherwise good people oriented toward a good cause. That's what all of these people are doing, whether they know it or not. They are serving the father of lies. Everyone thinks the commandment. Thou shall not bear false witness against thy neighbor just means don't lie. I mean, obviously, there are plenty of parts in the Bible that talk about God hates a lying tongue. 00:33:59 Speaker 1: This is a bad thing. 00:34:00 Speaker 4: But specifically, bearing false witness against your neighbor is this. It is accusing him of doing something. no integrity, partaking in something nefarious, something sinister behind the scenes. I can't prove it, but trust me, I saw it. He's compromised. This is the conduct of all of these people. And perhaps by coincidence, if they are successful, the most evil people in the history of the planet are going to return to power and undo everything good that we've done in the last three years and cement their rule such that no further good can be done in our lifetimes. And they've made it very clear that they're going to actually go after people legally who have tried to throw their weight behind the cause of looking to institute good throughout the country for well-meaning, good Christian American patriots. 00:34:41 Speaker 10: Yeah. 00:34:41 Speaker 5: I urge brothers and sisters to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teachings you have learned. Keep away from them, for such people are not serving our Lord Christ. By smooth talk and flattery, they deceive the minds of naive people. Romans 16. 00:35:00 Speaker 10: Amen. 00:35:00 Speaker 1: Pick up your Bibles. And put on the armor of God. John, really good stuff, man. And thank you for saying the hard things. I mean, I know it's coming from a place of a little bit of frustration, too. I think we all feel it. But you're speaking truth, brother, so keep it up. John Doyle, watch his show on the Blaze TV Network. 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That's Charlie for Hillsdale. dot com learn deeply think clearly lead boldly and carry it forward just like charlie all right but it is hour two on a friday which means it's ask us anything if you guys want to be a part of this you can join us at members.charliekirk.com become a monthly supporter of the show we love when you do that it means a lot to us you guys are our inner inner circle and you get to Call in on Friday and ask us any question you want. Nothing is off limits. 00:37:27 Speaker 5: And we need literally anything, which I think is what our first question is going to hint at here. 00:37:32 Speaker 1: Ellie, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. Please unmute yourself and let us know your questions. 00:37:37 Speaker 5: Hi. 00:37:38 Speaker 15: Hey, Ellie. 00:37:38 Speaker 10: Can you guys hear me? 00:37:39 Speaker 15: Yes. 00:37:39 Speaker 1: Yes, we can. 00:37:40 Speaker 15: So you always say that we can call in and ask whatever we want. So I love going to concerts and other events, and I've gotten myself a little bit of a reputation for making bracelets for people that I follow. So I'm coming to AmFest this year for the first time. So what are your favorite colors? 00:37:58 Speaker 1: Oh, man. Blake, you seem like a colors guy. What's that supposed to mean? Okay, there's two types of men. Let me explain this. There's men that know their colors, and there's men like me who basically have the... Oh, you're colorblind. I know red, green, blue, yellow, black, white. 00:38:16 Speaker 3: You can't see colors at all, which is tragic. 00:38:19 Speaker 1: Colors are nice. I see colors. It's not... Okay. Common mis... perception when it comes to colorblind people. I'm not, like, very colorblind. My brother is very colorblind. I'm just a little bit. Like, I have trouble between, like, orange and red sometimes and things like that. 00:38:34 Speaker 15: He's colorblind. 00:38:35 Speaker 1: But I see colors. The world is vibrant to me. So I would say, you know, I don't think I ever got further than blue and green are my favorite colors. 00:38:46 Speaker 5: Apparently green is more of a high IQ color, which is food for thought because I think my favorite color is blue. 00:38:51 Speaker 15: But. 00:38:52 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, we're just, we're boys. Yeah. I think that's, you know. Red, white, and blue is also a good color. But I like being surprised, too. I like it when people that are better with colors, like my wife is very good with colors. She used to work in wedding business, and she would put the flower arrangement together and stuff, and I'd just be blown away. I'd be like, that's the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. I could never do that. 00:39:11 Speaker 5: I will say a color I like more than most people, although I wouldn't say it's my favorite, is yellow. When I play my stupid board games, I usually pick yellow for whatever reason. 00:39:20 Speaker 1: I tend to like bright. uh, bright colors in general, which is I think unusual for a dude. Uh, because a lot of there's also like the kind of guys that just like the the earth tones. 00:39:31 Speaker 5: Yeah i i like i think i like yellow because we had the whole 90s like 90s 2000s everything became all those muted metallic colors it's like every movie you watch like looks like it was shot in an unlit garage And, you know, I want the technicolor look of things. 00:39:48 Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that. I'm a darker skin tone guy, which is hilarious. Like, there's this whole rumor online that I'm Jewish. Not Jewish. Wait, there's a rumor for you? 00:39:57 Speaker 5: People are always going after me, and they're like, Neff sounds like a Jewish name. 00:40:02 Speaker 1: No, my last name is actually Anglicized Norwegian, believe it or not. People don't know that. So apparently, because, you know, we like to think that racism is a, at least the left thinks, Racism is some modern phenomenon, and it's only about brown people. 00:40:16 Speaker 4: No. 00:40:16 Speaker 1: When my ancestors came, because I'm sort of a mutt. I have all kinds of different stuff. I've got Mexican. I've got Italian. I've got German. I've got a bunch of English, Irish. And my last name is Norwegian. And it was anglicized because when, I guess, my great-grandpa got to Michigan, nobody would give him a job because his last name was too Norwegian, and it was like a very Anglo culture. So he tried to anglicize it so he could get a job. Anyways. That's not about colors. Ellie, have we given you enough to work with? Yeah, that's good. Thanks. I can't wait to make you guys bracelets. I can't wait. I'm going to wear it proudly. 00:40:50 Speaker 15: Hopefully, I'll be able to run into you guys and I'll be able to give them to you. 00:40:54 Speaker 5: I am extremely run-into-able. I've been known to just haunt the VIP floor. I'm a little less run-into-able. 00:41:01 Speaker 1: But you know where you can always find us is in the podcast lounge. So we have a private room. with a bunch of seats, and we host private podcasts and interviews that we're doing with the people that are coming in to speak at the event. And so you can always find us there and come up and give me the bracelet. That would be great. 00:41:20 Speaker 5: I will say we got a follow-up question in emails from Aaron. If Andrew is colorblind to orange and red, what does Arizona look like to him? 00:41:28 Speaker 1: It looks brown. It looks brown. I will tell you, Arizona has some beautifully purplish-red-orange sunsets. 00:41:38 Speaker 5: It has some purplish deserts. Have you been to Petrified Forest yet? You should go sometime. That is an exotic place. 00:41:45 Speaker 1: I don't explore Arizona very much, unfortunately. Well, why not? Because I work. I take care of my kids. I love my wife. i work take them my no but we have we did the flagstaff thing and and we actually i uh anyways i want to go to monument valley that's that's where i want to go like all the old western movies all right next question here we have uh we have rain i believe rain unmute yourself hello hi rain hey how are y'all oh we're good we're well thank you how are you doing. 00:42:22 Speaker 8: I'm doing great. 00:42:23 Speaker 1: I just have a couple questions. 00:42:25 Speaker 8: I'm trying to register to come to help y'all ballot chase. 00:42:30 Speaker 1: Great. 00:42:31 Speaker 8: Door knock. And I'm having trouble registering. And I've tried it on my laptop. And I've tried it on my phone. And it's the screen. I mean, I've even had my daughter look at it. And it just jumps in at me. 00:42:45 Speaker 1: You're going to tpaction.com slash 100, right? 00:42:49 Speaker 3: Commit 100? 00:42:50 Speaker 6: Yes, yes. 00:42:51 Speaker 8: The link that y'all sent. 00:42:53 Speaker 1: Okay, tpaction.com slash 100 should get you all the things, because we have a bunch of people that have signed up. The campaign is going really well, so praise God for that. I know it's working. Here's what we should do. It's probably working. 00:43:08 Speaker 8: I just had to get a new phone. And I don't understand his 17 yet, but I just keep trying to maneuver through it, and it's just not letting me. 00:43:15 Speaker 5: If the phone is an issue, but you need to temporarily do it, I might even suggest go. 00:43:22 Speaker 1: To, like, a public library if they have desktops you can access. How about this? How about we get your email, Rain, and then Daisy will loop you in directly with somebody on that team. That would be great. We'll just, yeah. That's the kind of service that we give to our members. So members.charliekirk.com. You get the inside track. I want to come the whole month and help you. 00:43:45 Speaker 14: Oh, perfect. Yeah. 00:43:46 Speaker 1: We'll give you a, we'll give you a hotel room and we'll, and listen to it. Hey, if you get over your first hundred names, we'll give you a hundred more. So we can, we can go as hard as you want to go. And for as long as we do offer a full month and we'll give you a hotel room and make sure you're all taken care of. So please take advantage of that. TP action.com. Be like rain. tpaction.com slash 100. tpaction.com slash 100. 00:44:09 Speaker 5: And you said you had another comment one minute before the break, if you want to make that. 00:44:13 Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:44:14 Speaker 8: So I was watching y'all, you know, when it went after, you know, after hours, the day of the hearing, you know, the judge's decision. And Andrew, I just wanted to tell you, I sent y'all an email. I doubt y'all saw it, but my daughter had something, I mean, she, It doesn't even pale. It pales in comparison to the death of Charlie. But it took us five years fighting the FBI, the DOJ, and the New Orleans Police Department, the crime against my daughter. 00:44:48 Speaker 15: Wow. 00:44:50 Speaker 8: And the words that you said when you said you just don't understand it unless you're in the courtroom and you're breathing that same air. And, oh, I just felt that. I felt it so intensely because... I remember those days five years it took us. And I know that it won't take y'all five years, but, um, cause we went through the COVID lockdown thing. That was part of it. But, um, my heart just, it went out to you cause. 00:45:17 Speaker 7: I get it. 00:45:19 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:45:20 Speaker 1: Thank, thank you rain for that. 00:45:21 Speaker 15: Yeah. 00:45:21 Speaker 1: You don't, you don't realize it until you're in that courtroom. It's very true. You don't. And it's so small. It's so small. And you, you know, you're, you're, Mere feet away from. 00:45:36 Speaker 10: You know. 00:45:36 Speaker 8: The person that murdered your best friend. 00:45:38 Speaker 12: Yeah. 00:45:39 Speaker 13: Right. 00:45:39 Speaker 7: Yeah. 00:45:39 Speaker 1: And by the way, I got, you know, Erica is in the row ahead of me, but, you know, a couple seats down. So she's there and Charlie's mom is right there. And his dad was basically right in front of me. And I will tell you, it is a profoundly different experience in that courtroom. And you can just feel the energy of it. You can't describe it. No, you can't. And I actually was texting with Jack and Graham that were in during the preliminary hearing. And they both agreed. They were just like, man, people have no idea. When you're in that courtroom and when you're connected to it personally, it's a profoundly moving and transformative experience. So thank you, Rainn. God bless you. Who's up next? Who do we got next? Rainn was so sweet. I think Abby is next. Abby, welcome to the show. Please unmute yourself. 00:46:28 Speaker 9: Can you guys hear me? 00:46:29 Speaker 1: Yes, ma'am. 00:46:30 Speaker 9: OK, instead of a question, I actually wanted to give you guys some points of encouragement after everything that happened Tuesday. So in 2024, I had the honor of being on a federal grand jury for a year and we did hundreds of cases during our time. So I got to see full circle of how the justice system is. Many of our cases came for a full circle indictment, pleaded guilty sentence and less than six months. Some took a year. And one case I've been following since 24, the defendant still has yet to be sentenced. So the system needs work, but have faith that justice will be served. And the second thing I want to talk about is what Mr. Novak said. He said incredibly hurtful things to you guys. But I also remember a student asking Charlie how he felt about being called a fascist. And he replied, I don't care being lied about. So we have to remind ourselves that a lie will always be a lie, no matter how many people believe it. And the truth will always be true, no matter how many people reject it. 00:47:27 Speaker 1: Amen. 00:47:28 Speaker 10: Amen. 00:47:29 Speaker 1: I think that's really well said. And there's that, you know, verse I was just reading. It says, I'm going to paraphrase it because I was about to look it up. But, you know, basically have faith when the world hates you because the world hated Christ first, you know, and it's just the truth of a believer. You know, I think. As things get crazier and we become either less Christian, God, I'm praying for the country to return to faith and that revival would happen. But as things get crazier and even as just a portion of the country becomes more antagonistic and against Christianity, this is becoming more in our– it's getting louder and in our face. But I think for years Christians just sort of assumed, hey, this– persecutions happen around the world, but they don't happen here. But they do happen here. And Charlie is a perfect example of that because it is the truth tellers that are hated. It's not the people who lie to you. The people who lie to you, they can get an audience and people will support them. They'll buy into the lie. Lies are convenient. But the people who tell you the truth, the truth is powerful and they will hate you for it. And they hated Christ for it. They hated Charlie for it. 00:48:46 Speaker 13: Got it. 00:48:46 Speaker 1: John, John 15. 00:48:47 Speaker 5: John 15. If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. If you belong to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you. 00:49:01 Speaker 1: And it goes on. 00:49:02 Speaker 5: And at the end, this is to fulfill what is written in their law. They hated me without reason. 00:49:07 Speaker 10: Yeah. 00:49:07 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. So I keep that close to my heart because, you know, it, Some of the stuff that we've seen and, you know, I think John Doyle did a great job of explaining. it some of it's so irrational and it makes no sense they hated him for no reason and uh i i think it was a misstep by the By Mr. Novak, I think that backfires on him, but I believe he was playing to the camera. Sort of the debate was, was it a slip of the mask? Was it an accident? Was it just him assuming everybody sort of agrees with him? He's, you know, California. I believe he's based in California. Yeah, in this day and age, you can't tell. Go ahead. What was that? 00:49:46 Speaker 9: In this day and age, you can't really tell. 00:49:48 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know, I think maybe he just assumed everybody agreed with him and saw things the way he did and that he was just sort of stating a fact. But I actually think it was him playing to the audience, him playing to his defendant. And I think it was legally a really bad idea because he's– I've said this before, but it bears repeating. He was saying, hey, we don't know why Tyler Robinson hated and said some hate can't be negotiated. We don't know that was political. Well, yeah, we do. And then he goes on to explain why we do because he says, well, Charlie did say hateful things. 00:50:23 Speaker 10: Okay. 00:50:23 Speaker 1: Okay. about gay people, about people that were non-gender conforming, as he said. So he, he worked against his own case, which was pretty stupid, but thank you for the encouragement. And as Blake, uh, said, I believe that night, you know, when, uh, when you, when we were covering it in the evening, that the, the justice system, it grinds slowly, but it grinds fine. And when you're in that courtroom, I will tell you, it does feel like it grinds fine. Like the, the minutia, every single detail, um, Something to be grateful for. Gentlemen, let's get real for a second. Are you frustrated with today's woke dating scene, the apps, the games, the endless swiping? It's a waste of time. Finding a woman who shares your values, faith, family, patriotism, if it feels nearly impossible, it doesn't have to. Selective Search, America's leading matchmaking firm, is changing the game. They connect strong, successful men like you Men who love God, love America, want a family with women who share your values. 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What's your question? 00:52:26 Speaker 10: Hi. 00:52:26 Speaker 11: Can you guys hear me? 00:52:27 Speaker 6: Yes. 00:52:28 Speaker 10: Awesome. 00:52:29 Speaker 1: So yeah, hi from Canada. 00:52:31 Speaker 11: So first off, I'd like to say I love America. I am not like the more than half of the rest of Canada. 00:52:38 Speaker 5: I love you guys. 00:52:39 Speaker 1: We love you. 00:52:40 Speaker 11: But we are in a trade war with the United States and Canada, and I think our prime minister started it. That is my opinion. But he's considered in Canada now. His poll numbers are crazy. He's basically considered a wartime prime minister. I've been looking at him and thinking he's like the savior of Canada. He's standing up to like a fascist president or something. It's crazy. But how do you guys think a Canadian conservative, how can we respond to this? Because there's no shot now with the way things are for us to win a election at all. Like we just had three by-elections federally and like liberals won those like landslide, right? So it's like, how should Canadian conservatives be responding to this? And have American conservatives ever been in this situation? 00:53:31 Speaker 3: Honestly, it's a tough question to take. 00:53:33 Speaker 1: What can they do? 00:53:33 Speaker 5: Because I think you'd agree, Sarah, that there's been It's kind of that Canadian national identity has been defined so much, not on its own terms, but just in relation to the United States. 00:53:48 Speaker 1: What did you say? In the break, you said they have a really... Like a little brother relationship. 00:53:53 Speaker 5: Kind of an inferiority complex such that they identify themselves as, we're like America, but more left-wing. 00:53:59 Speaker 3: We're like America, but more European in our outlook. 00:54:03 Speaker 1: We're more European. 00:54:04 Speaker 5: Like America, but we're more secularized. We're like America, but more pro-immigration. They're not coming from their own first principles of what their nation should be. It's being defined in relation to America. And bluntly, this is something where President Trump entirely encourages this. Because Trump, he likes being the center of attention. He presses all their buttons. He pushes all of their buttons. And so, as I'm sure you remember and can confirm, Sarah, it looked like Trudeau was incredibly unpopular. Conservatives had an opportunity, but Trump comes on the scene and he starts talking about Canada being the 51st state, starts bullying them, but pushes all of their buttons and they say, screw you, we're going to elect Mark Carney and do all of this and we're going to love him no matter how bad things are. It's tough to say, but I feel like the best answer for conservatives might be you need to ride it out until President Trump is gone. He's gone because I think he is going to continue pushing a lot of Canadians' buttons. 00:55:03 Speaker 1: Can I explain why, though, this is probably happening? Trump understands leverage better than basically any president we've ever had, right? And he understands that, according to some estimates, Canadian trade into the U.S. accounts for over 20% of the GDP. Recent estimates have it 20% to 23% of the economy of Canada. In the reverse, Canadian... goods account for 3% of the US GDP. So a much smaller slice of a much bigger pie. And so the leverage game, Trump knows he's got leverage. And if you guys are going to go toe to toe with us in a trade war, we're going to ultimately win. It might hurt us. It might hurt Trump a little bit. I don't think he cares. And I think he's kind of just saying, hey, you guys have been taking us for a ride for a long time. We've been run by people that sort of have this sense that we owe the world everything and we're cool getting ripped off on every trade. And he's just done with it. And so he's going to push back, you know, and it's like 50% tariffs on about $ 20 billion of Canadian goods. So about 5% of the annual exports to the U.S. It's only a 5% chunk of it, but it includes dairy, alcoholic beverages. You know, a lot of people love the Canadian whiskey. So like Crown is Canadian, right? Paper and wood products, clothing, furniture, electronics, hockey equipment. That's funny. And assorted consumer items. But this sits on top of an earlier Section 232 tariffs of 50% on steel, aluminum, copper, auto parts, lumber. 00:56:33 Speaker 5: I'm not actually even sure if it is great leverage because I think he would have had– I think a lot of our trade negotiations would have gone better if we had a conservative in office, which it seemed like we were headed for. But he likes the idea of expanding the map. He likes that McKinley stuff, I think. Sometimes Trump just does stuff that. 00:56:50 Speaker 1: You made an interesting observation on the break. And what's interesting about Canada is the left wing is defined much more by its nationalists than the conservatives. And so maybe exactly there's an answer in that, that the conservatives need to sort of establish their own national kind of nationalistic movement. Right. Because the conservatives in Canada often relate to Americans more. But but maybe there just needs to be sort of more of an established like, hey, we have a proud conservative Canadian identity. And it is distinctly Canadian, and we're proud of it. So maybe there's something there. 00:57:24 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's– as we said, the left in Canada defines itself in relation to the U.S., like the U.S., but more liberal. The right is usually more pro-America, but you might need like a lingo that can essentially say– yeah, the Canadian left– Everything revolves around U.S. 00:57:40 Speaker 1: News, U.S. politics. 00:57:42 Speaker 5: How about we have things revolve around Canada? We are proudly Canadian conservatives. That's the messaging that I think the Canadian right can develop, but you have our sympathy. 00:57:52 Speaker 3: I know it's very tough, and this too shall pass. 00:57:55 Speaker 1: Yeah, great question. We had an email that you wanted to address. Somebody wants to become a member but wasn't able to. 00:58:00 Speaker 4: Oh, yes. 00:58:01 Speaker 5: Let's do that because someone said, where do I have it? 00:58:07 Speaker 4: Um. 00:58:08 Speaker 1: Basically, one of y'all wrote in and said, yes, yes. All right. 00:58:11 Speaker 5: She says, my husband, I can't afford to be members right now, but I was hoping you could answer. What do you feel about having a national prayer day for Charlie, possibly on the date of the trial when that date is scheduled to pray for justice for Charlie and his family? Maybe President Trump could do this. 00:58:27 Speaker 1: I love this idea. I'm going to float it. I'm going to float it. But also she said she can't afford it. We're going to gift you a membership. So if if we can get. All right, we can send that on to Daisy. Yes, absolutely. So I think, oh, yeah, okay, great. Yeah, okay, so Daisy's handling it. Okay, thank you. All righty. Who's next? 00:58:47 Speaker 5: So we have Mary, and this is another one we have to read. So Mary asks, what was Charlie's favorite quote or Bible verse? 00:58:58 Speaker 1: And that's the question. 00:59:00 Speaker 3: All right, so what was Charlie's favorite quote or Bible verse? 00:59:02 Speaker 1: Do we have that? I think we have that loaded. 00:59:03 Speaker 5: It's Genesis 1-1, and it's Romans 8-28. But beyond that, we actually have a quote. I think this is from literally his last interview. On that day, he was asked quotes that he lives by at the restaurantology event. So let's play clip 19. 00:59:18 Speaker 1: What is a quote that you live by? 00:59:20 Speaker 2: I'll give you two. 00:59:21 Speaker 3: One is actually not the Bible. 00:59:22 Speaker 2: It's more mythological. And one is actually in the Bible. The first is not in the Bible. It's this too shall pass, which was actually, people think it's in the Bible. It's not, but it's King Solomon's phrase, which is really amazing when you think about it, because it's good no matter what season of life that you're in. If you're going through the worst of times, this too shall pass and things are gonna get better. If you're going through the best of times though, it's really humbling. Like this too shall pass and this will fade away because this will not last forever. 00:59:47 Speaker 1: So I love that. And they don't. Yeah, exactly. 00:59:49 Speaker 2: So it's a time transcendent truth that applies towards all periods as an entrepreneur. It humbles you when you need it and builds you up when you need it, gives you hope when you need it, and also gives you a little bit of a dose of a gut check. One of my favorite verses, though, is Romans 8, 28, which it says that God works all things for good for those who love him. It's a very freeing and liberating verse for those of us that are Christians because we believe that when things can be really bad, God is working it for his good, his perfect and pleasing will, which is a very, very hard teaching when you come across business closures or staff layoffs. But it's very liberating that God is working all things towards an ultimate good. So I love that. And it kind of is very freeing that I don't have to be in charge of everything. And there is a God and I'm not him. And I surrender to his will. 01:00:33 Speaker 1: It's amazing. It's almost like when I watch it now. 01:00:35 Speaker 5: It's remarkable to see that, realizing that was on. 01:00:37 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the morning before it happened. And I think it's really, for me, it's heartening because it's almost like Charlie's leaving us little Easter eggs. that help us process the fact that there is a God, we are not him. We don't have to understand the why all the time. Total surrender. Yeah, we're surrendered to the fact that he's got a plan. And, you know, I love reading 828 in all of its context, by the way. So you start at verse 26. It says, In the same way the Spirit helps us in our weakness, we do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans. And he who searches our hearts knows that the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for God's people in accordance with the will of God. And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose. For those God foreknew, he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. And though he predestined, he also called. Those he called, he also justified. Those he justified, he also glorified. And then it goes into we are more than conquerors through Christ, which is amazing. 01:01:39 Speaker 5: And I just know another verse that he liked a lot, although he didn't mention that clip. He loved Genesis 1-1. In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth, and specifically that he spoke creation into existence. Charlie loved to talk about that. It relates to the gospel because God speaks it. The word in the beginning was the word God created through the word, which is law. It's like the gospel is there from the very beginning of the Bible, and he also liked that. It says, At the beginning, there was a God, and you were not there. 01:02:09 Speaker 1: You are not God. 01:02:10 Speaker 5: He loved to say that. There is a God, and you are not him. So that's another favorite of his that his team was reminding us of. 01:02:18 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I love that clip. That was such a powerful clip. And I didn't really absorb that event because it was the morning of, and I was prepping to guest host the show that day. And were you with him at that? 01:02:31 Speaker 3: I wasn't in that event. I was waiting outside it. 01:02:34 Speaker 1: Yeah, fair enough. Um, yeah, man, uh, Charlie, Charlie loved scripture though. And I was actually, you know, we're getting, we're doing all these interviews left and right. Blake's I've got one and Blake's got one just today after the show. And it's just funny because people keep asking us these little, these little stories and all of this is coming back. You know, we're kind of being forced to relive it. partly because it's the one year, but partly because we're just being asked about all this stuff, and I haven't thought too much about that event, so I'm glad the team pulled that. So, Curtis, unmute yourself, and what's your question? 01:03:12 Speaker 16: Well, yeah, so I called and talked to you guys last week. I'm the Eastern Oregon Lifetime Family. 01:03:17 Speaker 10: Rancher about the beef issues. 01:03:21 Speaker 15: Right. 01:03:21 Speaker 16: And so I really applaud you guys for putting an emphasis on this. 01:03:25 Speaker 10: And again, I just wanted to clarify real quick, I don't want to dominate. 01:03:30 Speaker 16: I mean, I really appreciate you taking my question because it's so important to not only the family ranching and farming communities of. 01:03:36 Speaker 10: America, but also to the consumer. 01:03:38 Speaker 16: And, you know, we were discussing, I think you asked me what would be the one main thing that would help ranchers and farmers. And I alluded to the point that energy is the main driver of everything. And I didn't want to impress or I didn't want, I kind of have a monopoly is going on in the energy oil business, kind of like it is in the beef business. But I didn't mean at all to put price controls. I do not believe in that at all. That's exactly the wrong thing to do. But I do believe that all segments of our society, health care, thank goodness for Bobby Kennedy, Secretary Robert Kennedy, the Maha movement, we are so on board for that. That's exactly what we as Family Ranching want to do. And I just want to make so clear to the public and to you guys that The corporate cronyism influence is just so sinister and so corrupting. And I didn't know until President Trump's first term how bad it really was. 01:04:45 Speaker 10: But it was an enlightening moment. 01:04:49 Speaker 16: And I just want to make contact with our consumers and our customers. And I appreciate you guys being good ranchers. good rancher sponsoring you. So it's not really a question. I just wanted to have a clarification. So thank you very much. 01:05:05 Speaker 1: Yeah, of course. Of course. And I think we see that. 01:05:07 Speaker 5: I think a lot of industries are like that, that it's just, if you, if you go into any industry and ask them what it's been like, I think they'll tell you there's been too much concentration compared to the past. There's been too much, uh, you know, a handful of actors got a ton of power in Washington and they see their interests taken care of before, And I think ranching is just one example of that, arguably a case where it's not that bad. There's a big four cartel of meatpacking instead of a big two, a big one. 01:05:33 Speaker 1: And by the way, Thomas Massey actually had this bill that I actually think would be really good, where if you're a local rancher, you could take it to a local processor and still sell it at grocery stores. Would that idea help you, Curtis? 01:05:49 Speaker 10: Absolutely. The Prime Act, I think, is what you're referencing, and it would be wonderful. 01:05:55 Speaker 1: These are things that we should be pursuing. What did you think about Ben Spell from Good Ranch? He's on yesterday. He's putting so much emphasis on having to mandate country of origin on the packaging. Would that help you? 01:06:12 Speaker 10: Yes, it would be. 01:06:15 Speaker 16: Not only we as producers have been betrayed, but more importantly, our customers and consumers have been absolutely deceived by Yes, that would be a huge, big help. Yes, that would be huge, important that even though the imported meat would come in, at least it would be designated and correctly labeled that it's from a foreign country. And it would give the consumer the choice of either buying the higher quality, better meat, which is produced in the United States, or if they have to, you know, go with a cheaper, it's going to be for quality. 01:06:53 Speaker 10: I can guarantee you that. Yeah. 01:06:55 Speaker 1: By the way, yeah. Americans want to buy American meat. They want to support you. So, you know, it not only is it higher quality, they want to buy American and that's important to them. It's important to me. And that's one of the reasons I, we, we partnered with good ranch. So because they're so committed to American ranchers. Um, yeah. Thank you for that. I have one more question. I know we have more, but, uh, what about, uh, basically expanding the supply of diesel, which would take more refineries. There's some regulations, but that should be a priority, right? 01:07:25 Speaker 10: Oh, absolutely. 01:07:26 Speaker 16: We have got to get the cost, especially in industry and in agriculture. Everything we do is based on... I'm right now talking to you through Starlink. Thank goodness for Elon Musk and that. I'm able to be connected. But yes, we absolutely have to get the diesel more and get it down. 01:07:44 Speaker 10: There so that we can afford to operate more efficiently. Absolutely. 01:07:49 Speaker 1: We got to work on diesel, expanding the supply there. The Prime Act, you're saying that's a good thing. And then American Meat, mandate that be on packaging, country of origin. Exactly. All sounds good. 01:07:59 Speaker 5: We have another question we want to hit here because we only have three minutes. 01:08:03 Speaker 1: Elizabeth, unmute yourself. What's your question? Elizabeth. 01:08:07 Speaker 4: Yes. 01:08:08 Speaker 1: Hi, guys. 01:08:08 Speaker 17: Thank you so much for taking my call. 01:08:10 Speaker 7: Of course, of course. 01:08:10 Speaker 17: And we're still paying for you and Charlie and his family, Charlie's family and his wife. 01:08:14 Speaker 1: Thank you. 01:08:16 Speaker 17: The question I had was, so. 01:08:19 Speaker 17: Your lovely senator is always posting about this one particular woman who is being deported. She had a final deportation order back in 2005. Since her final deportation order, she managed to open up three restaurants, buy a home, and marry an American citizen. How does that happen if you have a final deportation order? Where's any of our interior enforcements? 01:08:45 Speaker 5: So this is, I believe her name is Kelly Yu. I think she is a Peoria restaurateur. I'm Googling this myself. 01:08:54 Speaker 1: Is this Guy Ago or Mark Kelly? 01:08:56 Speaker 14: I'm not. 01:08:56 Speaker 5: Mark Kelly. Mark Kelly's been highlighting it. I guess she's been in ICE detention for a while and then was released. 01:09:04 Speaker 1: Okay. You guys want a white pill? If we continue our current pace of deportations, for Trump's term, we will have 15.3 million fewer foreign-born people in this country. 01:09:19 Speaker 10: Folks. 01:09:21 Speaker 1: Flashing red lights. We are winning. We are succeeding. This is huge. 01:09:27 Speaker 8: Okay. 01:09:27 Speaker 1: So anyways, these sob stories, basically we can't have nice things in our culture because of sob story. Insert sob story. 01:09:34 Speaker 15: Yeah. 01:09:34 Speaker 1: Sorry, you broke our law. And that's what they calculate. 01:09:36 Speaker 5: They'll say, oh, well, we just need a temporary thing. Wait for their court hearing. We need to focus on the bad actors. And then what they do is they drag it out, and then they go, well, they've been here so long. 01:09:46 Speaker 1: Now it's cruel again. 01:09:47 Speaker 5: No, the cruelty was done by the left to cynically manipulate the system where someone who was supposed to be sent back immediately and they delayed it, delayed it, delayed it so that they could try to emotionally manipulate you into not enforcing our laws. 01:10:02 Speaker 1: They are the villains. They are the evildoers here. 01:10:05 Speaker 5: And the answer is, yeah, for a lot of people, there was just no interior enforcement at all that you could blow off a hearing. 01:10:11 Speaker 1: You could blow off an order. 01:10:12 Speaker 5: And they would say– they would use the excuse of we're focused on the top priority cases for what the actual policy was, which was just amnesty. 01:10:21 Speaker 1: And by the way, we know that's not true because you don't get like Trend or Irogua takeovers entire apartment complexes if you're just trying to get the evildoers out and the worst of the worst or whatever. No, none of this. They weren't focusing on any of it. The problem became too big, and they had no political will to deal with it. By the way, if you're an illegal, they were going to give you a free lawyer. They're going to give you debit cards and free cash. discounted housing. The whole thing was so patently ridiculous. So glad we're not in that era anymore and we have to fight to keep it going because this is much, much better. Much better. Thank you guys. We'll see you next week. It's going to be a big week, an emotional week, and we'll see you then. 01:11:03 Speaker 3: For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.