Episode 262: Answering the Tough Questions: Navigating Sexuality & Faith with Becket Cook

[00:00:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Hello and welcome to Candid where we never settle for less than the truth.

[00:00:12] [SPEAKER_01]: On your host, Dr. Jonathan Youssef, each week will tackle tough issues, answer your hard

[00:00:17] [SPEAKER_01]: questions and take a candid look at the Christian faith.

[00:00:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Shortly after my conversation with Becket Cook, he visited the church of the apostles

[00:00:26] [SPEAKER_01]: to share his testimony.

[00:00:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I had the opportunity to sit down with him and address questions submitted by our attendees.

[00:00:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Knowing many of you have similar questions, we're sharing this discussion on Candid Conversations.

[00:00:42] [SPEAKER_01]: We hope this answers your questions after our first conversation with Becket Cook.

[00:00:54] [SPEAKER_01]: We'd rejoice, obviously, in what the Lord has done in your life and continues to do in

[00:00:59] [SPEAKER_01]: your life.

[00:01:01] [SPEAKER_01]: But there's a side of the story that we didn't hear while you were sharing, which is

[00:01:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I think this will help us for those of us who are believers and who are walking with

[00:01:13] [SPEAKER_01]: perhaps family members or friends who are going through the same sex attraction or

[00:01:20] [SPEAKER_01]: transgenderism.

[00:01:20] [SPEAKER_01]: And that is what was happening with your family.

[00:01:25] [SPEAKER_01]: What were they going through?

[00:01:26] [SPEAKER_01]: What was their emotional state and the way that they related to you during that time of

[00:01:32] [SPEAKER_01]: your kind of being in the far country?

[00:01:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was different for different members of my family.

[00:01:39] [SPEAKER_00]: My parents were totally loving every time I talk to them on the phone.

[00:01:44] [SPEAKER_00]: They were just saying, I love you and my parents never said, hey, back at, you know,

[00:01:49] [SPEAKER_00]: you're still sending, right?

[00:01:50] [SPEAKER_00]: They never said that.

[00:01:52] [SPEAKER_00]: My sister-in-law, she was a great example of the Christian, really.

[00:01:58] [SPEAKER_00]: My sister-in-law is an evangelical Christian and whenever I would come to town, she would

[00:02:05] [SPEAKER_00]: just invite me to go have coffee with her.

[00:02:07] [SPEAKER_00]: And I was always confused by that.

[00:02:08] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, why, you know, I'm gay?

[00:02:10] [SPEAKER_00]: You're a Christian.

[00:02:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Why do you want to hang out with me?

[00:02:14] [SPEAKER_00]: And she would talk about God.

[00:02:15] [SPEAKER_00]: I would talk about guys.

[00:02:18] [SPEAKER_00]: And again, she never brought up that I'm with sinning or she never quoted a little bit of

[00:02:24] [SPEAKER_00]: satiety or 20.

[00:02:26] [SPEAKER_00]: It's that she prayed this behind my back.

[00:02:30] [SPEAKER_00]: She prayed Acts 26, 18, over me for many, many, many years.

[00:02:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Which it's when Paul's in the front of King of Grippa and he's explained him why he's

[00:02:42] [SPEAKER_00]: preaching to the Gentiles.

[00:02:44] [SPEAKER_00]: And he says to open their eyes so that they may turn from darkness to light and from

[00:02:48] [SPEAKER_00]: the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those

[00:02:53] [SPEAKER_00]: who are sanctified by faith in me.

[00:02:57] [SPEAKER_00]: So some of my siblings were very judgmental and it was kind of like, we don't want

[00:03:02] [SPEAKER_00]: back at, you know, bringing home a boyfriend and around our kids kind of thing.

[00:03:07] [SPEAKER_00]: So there was that aspect.

[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_00]: But it's weird, like, my siblings were very kind of harsh, but my parents were not.

[00:03:14] [SPEAKER_00]: But we're all fine now because I was at the dinner with all my siblings a few years

[00:03:21] [SPEAKER_00]: ago and they were beyond thrilled when I became a Christian.

[00:03:25] [SPEAKER_00]: They were just crying and we were at dinner and I was like, you guys remember when I was

[00:03:30] [SPEAKER_00]: gay?

[00:03:32] [SPEAKER_00]: And they were like, oh, praise God, praise God, you're not, anyway.

[00:03:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Your mom was praying a prayer for you.

[00:03:45] [SPEAKER_01]: And this is kind of like one of your primary points and we'll be kind of the answered.

[00:03:49] [SPEAKER_01]: So we'll come to questions from that came through when people registered in a little

[00:03:55] [SPEAKER_01]: bit.

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_01]: So your mom was very sort of engaging with you and overflowing in love towards you

[00:04:02] [SPEAKER_01]: and compassion.

[00:04:04] [SPEAKER_01]: But behind the scenes, she was praying a prayer.

[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I know you, you know.

[00:04:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I discovered this prayer, I guess like a year ago, my sister-in-law found

[00:04:15] [SPEAKER_00]: this in an old box and sent it to me.

[00:04:19] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a tight prayer my mother did, it's called a prayer for Beckett.

[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_00]: And she tied this prayer to God and see what's so cool about my mother is that she instinctively

[00:04:32] [SPEAKER_00]: knew that there was no way for her to kind of convince me not to be gay.

[00:04:37] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, there's no way for her to control me or to again because I lived in LA and what

[00:04:43] [SPEAKER_00]: are they going to do?

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_00]: So in stats she knew that this was a spiritual battle.

[00:04:50] [SPEAKER_00]: It was not something in the physical realm, it was spiritual.

[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_00]: And so her first point, she has like 24 prayer points, her first point was deal aggressively

[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_00]: with the enemy, come against him in the all-powerful name of the Lord Jesus Christ with

[00:05:05] [SPEAKER_00]: the sword of the Spirit, the word of God.

[00:05:07] [SPEAKER_00]: So she knew that it was a spiritual thing.

[00:05:11] [SPEAKER_00]: And if I could just tell you this brief story, one of her prayer points is protect him from

[00:05:17] [SPEAKER_00]: AIDS.

[00:05:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Now, this is interesting because in 1990, in the 80 to 99, I was living with the boyfriend

[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_00]: and he came home one day and announced to me that he had just found out he was HIV positive.

[00:05:33] [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, what?

[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_00]: And I was devastated.

[00:05:39] [SPEAKER_00]: He was devastated.

[00:05:40] [SPEAKER_00]: I absolutely assumed I was as well.

[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_00]: So the next day, I got tested.

[00:05:48] [SPEAKER_00]: That was back in the day where it took a week to get your results.

[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_00]: So for a full week, I was in a terrible state.

[00:05:55] [SPEAKER_00]: And then I went to the clinic and the guy pulls me in his office and he's like, well,

[00:06:01] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm surprised to say this.

[00:06:03] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this is very surprising, but you're negative.

[00:06:07] [SPEAKER_00]: So for a long time, I thought, oh, maybe because there was a study of Northern Europeans who

[00:06:12] [SPEAKER_00]: were had natural immunity to HIV and I was like, maybe I have that weird natural immunity.

[00:06:21] [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm too soon with natural immunity.

[00:06:26] [SPEAKER_00]: But it turns out God was my natural immunity.

[00:06:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Because my mother was brain.

[00:06:33] [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, anyway, that was cool.

[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_01]: What was your biggest fear before you became a Christian?

[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_00]: My biggest fear, actually, this is weird.

[00:06:44] [SPEAKER_00]: My biggest fear in life was my mother dying.

[00:06:49] [SPEAKER_00]: I actually told my that same therapist at the time.

[00:06:52] [SPEAKER_00]: I told him my parents both died six months apart in 2015, 2016.

[00:06:56] [SPEAKER_00]: And when my mother did die, because I was a Christian at that time, I was,

[00:07:02] [SPEAKER_00]: in my all my siblings, we like basically through a party.

[00:07:05] [SPEAKER_00]: We were thrilled for her.

[00:07:06] [SPEAKER_00]: She had all the time or so.

[00:07:07] [SPEAKER_00]: We were just like praise God, she didn't have it.

[00:07:10] [SPEAKER_00]: So it was such a joyful thing.

[00:07:12] [SPEAKER_00]: But before when I didn't know God, I didn't know about any afterlife situation,

[00:07:18] [SPEAKER_00]: that was my biggest fear.

[00:07:19] Mm-hmm.

[00:07:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Was my mother dying?

[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_00]: It's weird.

[00:07:22] [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, why do you ask?

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Somebody wrote it.

[00:07:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay.

[00:07:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Why not that clever?

[00:07:34] [SPEAKER_01]: You listed all your a-list celebrities and people that you were interacting with

[00:07:38] [SPEAKER_01]: and rubbing shoulders with what has come of those relationships and friendships.

[00:07:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I know in your story, it's like you wrote your book and everyone was like,

[00:07:47] [SPEAKER_01]: back at Stead.

[00:07:48] [SPEAKER_01]: He's dead to me.

[00:07:49] [SPEAKER_01]: He's persona and non-Grad.

[00:07:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, have you maintained any of those and what did those dynamics look like?

[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_00]: So when I first got saved, I tried really hard to maintain those relationships.

[00:08:02] [SPEAKER_00]: It was a struggle because suddenly, my worldview was completely antithetical

[00:08:07] [SPEAKER_00]: to their worldview.

[00:08:08] [SPEAKER_00]: So it was very difficult to, you know, I'd go to dinner parties

[00:08:13] [SPEAKER_00]: and try to be light to them.

[00:08:15] [SPEAKER_00]: But it was so hard because they would talk about horizontal things

[00:08:21] [SPEAKER_00]: and all I wanted to talk about was God.

[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_00]: And so it was just, it was very frustrating.

[00:08:26] [SPEAKER_00]: I stayed connected with a lot of them,

[00:08:30] [SPEAKER_00]: tried to share, I did share the gospel with all of them.

[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_00]: And they just weren't really having it.

[00:08:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Most, the biggest response I was getting from people, my friends,

[00:08:41] [SPEAKER_00]: was, I'm happy, I'm happy for you.

[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_00]: And then one of my friends was like, I'm happy for you.

[00:08:47] [SPEAKER_00]: But as long as you don't harm anyone.

[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, wait, you just broke up a marriage

[00:08:54] [SPEAKER_00]: by having an affair with this woman and you're telling me not to harm people.

[00:08:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Like what?

[00:09:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but when my book came out in 2019, that's when it was like, okay,

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_00]: the jig is up.

[00:09:08] [SPEAKER_00]: That's when my closest friends from my life, you know, for 30 years,

[00:09:13] [SPEAKER_00]: they completely cut me off because it's one thing to sort of talk about this in private,

[00:09:19] [SPEAKER_00]: but then to have a book out in public was like, okay, we're done with you back at,

[00:09:23] [SPEAKER_00]: like that's it.

[00:09:24] [SPEAKER_00]: So, but it's fine because I have the body of Christ.

[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_00]: I have a lot of new friends.

[00:09:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Andy, turn a light.

[00:09:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, oh, by the way, yeah, eternal life.

[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_00]: It's just kind of a big deal.

[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, follow up question to that.

[00:09:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Why stay in Los Angeles?

[00:09:46] [SPEAKER_01]: That's my personal question, actually.

[00:09:48] [SPEAKER_00]: That's a lot of Pokemon on.

[00:09:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's why I say it's on them.

[00:09:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, like, lot, no.

[00:09:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Because number one, I live there since 1993 and I feel very comfortable.

[00:10:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Number two, I'm obsessed with the weather in California.

[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Like you can't, that's the problem with California is you just can't beat the weather.

[00:10:10] [SPEAKER_00]: So you're stuck there.

[00:10:10] [SPEAKER_00]: You can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave.

[00:10:13] [SPEAKER_00]: It's the problem.

[00:10:14] [SPEAKER_00]: So now, when I go other places and it's like hot or freezing and raining,

[00:10:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, why am I here?

[00:10:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I've been California.

[00:10:23] [SPEAKER_00]: So it's really hard to leave at this point.

[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Plus, I like being a fish out of water.

[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_00]: I actually do, and I get so many opportunities

[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_00]: to share with the gospel.

[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_00]: So after I got saved, I was a maniac.

[00:10:39] [SPEAKER_00]: So on the sets of all these very high-end fashion shoots for Vogue,

[00:10:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Harper's Bizarre, you know, you sent a lairon.

[00:10:47] [SPEAKER_00]: All these super fancy shoots I was the production designer

[00:10:51] [SPEAKER_00]: and I would tell everyone about Jesus on the set.

[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm fine.

[00:10:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Paracelthens out, remember?

[00:11:00] [SPEAKER_00]: I was just like, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus.

[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_00]: And one time I was at this on the sheet with Katy Perry

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_00]: and her wardrobe stylist who was an old friend of mine, Johnny,

[00:11:11] [SPEAKER_00]: we'd check.

[00:11:12] [SPEAKER_00]: He's gay and I told him my whole story.

[00:11:15] [SPEAKER_00]: And by the end of it, Katy Perry was,

[00:11:17] [SPEAKER_00]: she was overhearing the whole thing.

[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_00]: She finally came out of where we were shooting.

[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_00]: And she's like, okay guys, the Bible studies over,

[00:11:24] [SPEAKER_00]: can we get back to work?

[00:11:26] [SPEAKER_00]: And one time I was on a shoot, a boots

[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_00]: and the woman head of the agency,

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_00]: she knew I was a Christian because on the first shoot

[00:11:38] [SPEAKER_00]: I did with my assistants who were also Christians.

[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_00]: We would just talk about God and we would pray before the shoot.

[00:11:47] [SPEAKER_00]: And she was like, this woman was Jewish

[00:11:50] [SPEAKER_00]: and you know, Beverly Hills Jewish woman

[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_00]: and she was like, is everyone on this shoot religious?

[00:11:57] [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, yeah, well I'm a Christian

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_00]: and my assistants are Christians.

[00:12:00] [SPEAKER_00]: So on the next shoot, like a few months later,

[00:12:03] [SPEAKER_00]: we're in Malibu shooting at this house.

[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_00]: And she said, oh, we gotta get the shot,

[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_00]: the light's going down, it would be such a sin

[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_00]: not to get the shot.

[00:12:15] [SPEAKER_00]: And she's like, oh, Becca, you know all about this.

[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_00]: No, she.

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, actually I do.

[00:12:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Right now, I'll end up the entire crew turned and looked at me.

[00:12:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Everyone looked at me.

[00:12:25] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, right now, all of you are dead

[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_00]: and your trespasses and sins.

[00:12:29] [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm alive and Christ.

[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_00]: And then I explained the gospel and the head of,

[00:12:40] [SPEAKER_00]: she was like, I'm gonna go get a coffee.

[00:12:44] [SPEAKER_00]: But, and then I thought, oh this is the last time

[00:12:45] [SPEAKER_00]: that we're gonna work for them.

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_00]: But they kept hiring me year after year.

[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_00]: I was just so crazy on the set,

[00:12:52] [SPEAKER_00]: but it wasn't, again, 2019 was when my agency dropped me

[00:12:57] [SPEAKER_00]: as a client and so I basically lost my career

[00:13:01] [SPEAKER_00]: because of my book.

[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_00]: And so that's when we was no longer,

[00:13:05] [SPEAKER_00]: okay for me to share it anymore on the side.

[00:13:10] [SPEAKER_01]: So when people registered,

[00:13:11] [SPEAKER_01]: they were able to put questions that they had

[00:13:14] [SPEAKER_01]: and we've kind of compiled them

[00:13:15] [SPEAKER_01]: because there are a lot of similar ones.

[00:13:17] [SPEAKER_01]: So we'll run through a few of these,

[00:13:19] [SPEAKER_01]: if you're happy with that.

[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_01]: The first question.

[00:13:24] [SPEAKER_01]: How can the church, global church,

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_01]: big sea and us, the local church,

[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_01]: and us individually, how do we better engage

[00:13:34] [SPEAKER_01]: with the LGBTQ community?

[00:13:37] [SPEAKER_00]: It's becoming more and more difficult

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_00]: because it's so strident, the ideology is so strident

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_00]: and it's become like there's such a wall now.

[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_00]: So it is very, very difficult.

[00:13:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes I'll do this all read through all four gospels

[00:13:54] [SPEAKER_00]: at the same time and just see what how Jesus interacts

[00:13:56] [SPEAKER_00]: with text collectors, sinners and prostitutes.

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_00]: And he's obviously the master of balancing grace and truth.

[00:14:05] [SPEAKER_00]: And like with the woman at the well,

[00:14:07] [SPEAKER_00]: he was so gracious and loving toward her,

[00:14:11] [SPEAKER_00]: but then he calls her out for her sin.

[00:14:13] [SPEAKER_00]: It's they who go away, change not Christ.

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_00]: And so I think it's important to balance grace and truth

[00:14:20] [SPEAKER_00]: which is, again, hard,

[00:14:23] [SPEAKER_00]: but never emphasize one over the other

[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_00]: and I'm so grateful to those kids at the coffee shop

[00:14:29] [SPEAKER_00]: who were honest with me.

[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_00]: They didn't lie to me and they didn't try to dodge

[00:14:35] [SPEAKER_00]: the question and try to kind of bait and switch me

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_00]: and get me into church and somehow.

[00:14:42] [SPEAKER_00]: They were honest up front, which I think is important.

[00:14:46] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think also obviously prayers a huge component

[00:14:48] [SPEAKER_00]: and if you have someone in your life or your family

[00:14:51] [SPEAKER_00]: or co-worker who is living that life,

[00:14:55] [SPEAKER_00]: it's so important to pray and ask the Holy Spirit

[00:14:59] [SPEAKER_00]: for wisdom on how to, every time I was on a shoot,

[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_00]: I would pull up to the set

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_00]: and I would pray in my car.

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_00]: And like God, please give me wisdom today,

[00:15:11] [SPEAKER_00]: direct me to the person or persons you want me to speak to

[00:15:15] [SPEAKER_00]: about the gospel.

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_00]: And I promise you every time he would do it.

[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_00]: It was crazy how it would happen,

[00:15:22] [SPEAKER_00]: how he would orchestrate all these things.

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_00]: And then again, as I said, my system all can like this.

[00:15:28] [SPEAKER_00]: She's just such a good example to me of how to love someone

[00:15:32] [SPEAKER_00]: but also not to hold fast your convictions.

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_00]: This is the issue a lot which I see a lot

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_00]: is in the church obviously which is happening

[00:15:41] [SPEAKER_00]: all over the place now is when your child comes out

[00:15:45] [SPEAKER_00]: is LGBTQ, whatever the parent suddenly changes their theology

[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_00]: which is the worst possible thing you can do

[00:15:54] [SPEAKER_00]: because that's the most unloving thing you can do.

[00:16:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Because, let in Laura Perry's small talks about this

[00:16:04] [SPEAKER_00]: she was transgender, she got saved and the first people

[00:16:09] [SPEAKER_00]: she, and this is happened to me too.

[00:16:10] [SPEAKER_00]: The first people she went to after she got saved

[00:16:13] [SPEAKER_00]: were her conservative Christian family

[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_00]: because they didn't lie to her.

[00:16:17] [SPEAKER_00]: And my parents never lied to me.

[00:16:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't have respected my parents

[00:16:21] [SPEAKER_00]: if they had over the years, if they said,

[00:16:23] [SPEAKER_00]: oh, Becca, it's fine.

[00:16:25] [SPEAKER_00]: It's okay to be gay.

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Now I would have absolutely not respected them.

[00:16:30] [SPEAKER_00]: And in fact, when I got saved,

[00:16:32] [SPEAKER_00]: the first person I reached out to was one of my brothers,

[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_00]: one of my five brothers, Damien who was very harsh

[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_00]: with me on this issue.

[00:16:47] [SPEAKER_00]: But because he didn't lie to me,

[00:16:49] [SPEAKER_00]: he was the first person I wanted to tell

[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_00]: that I was a Christian.

[00:16:54] [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, so I think did that answer the question?

[00:16:58] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't sure.

[00:17:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so let's think about that.

[00:17:02] [SPEAKER_01]: So you're saying earlier how your parents,

[00:17:07] [SPEAKER_01]: they didn't badger me.

[00:17:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they didn't like, not, I don't want to say engaged

[00:17:12] [SPEAKER_01]: but there was a kind of almost leaving it

[00:17:15] [SPEAKER_01]: because they knew that you were going through it.

[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I understand the impulse to want

[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_00]: to try to fix it.

[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_00]: And of course, I get that impulse.

[00:17:24] [SPEAKER_00]: I can't imagine being a parent and a Christian parent

[00:17:26] [SPEAKER_00]: having to deal with that because you want so much

[00:17:30] [SPEAKER_00]: for your child to just get be fixed.

[00:17:34] [SPEAKER_00]: But you've got to play the long game

[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_00]: and think about it in long terms

[00:17:39] [SPEAKER_00]: and because that child kind of needs

[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_00]: to sort of go through that, it depends on the situation

[00:17:47] [SPEAKER_00]: but for example, a friend of mine,

[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_00]: her son came out as gay and he cut the parents off

[00:17:55] [SPEAKER_00]: because the parents didn't affirm him.

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_00]: And so he said, if you don't affirm me,

[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_00]: I never speak into you again.

[00:18:04] [SPEAKER_00]: And that was three years ago.

[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_00]: And now he's finally softening

[00:18:08] [SPEAKER_00]: and now he's back in a relationship with his parents

[00:18:11] [SPEAKER_00]: and you have to give it some time and space

[00:18:14] [SPEAKER_00]: to sort of work out and just be in prayer about it.

[00:18:18] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think we also need to remember

[00:18:20] [SPEAKER_01]: that it's not their homosexuality,

[00:18:23] [SPEAKER_01]: that's the problem, it's that they don't know who Jesus is.

[00:18:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but the homosexuality thing is a huge stumbling block.

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a huge roadblock.

[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_00]: So it's like homosexuality is,

[00:18:35] [SPEAKER_00]: it's the same but different in terms of sin

[00:18:38] [SPEAKER_00]: but because we have gay pride parades

[00:18:40] [SPEAKER_00]: but not gossip pride parades and agreed pride parades.

[00:18:43] [SPEAKER_00]: So it feels like identity.

[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Like who you are, it feels like I and I get it.

[00:18:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Like you feel like this is me.

[00:18:51] [SPEAKER_00]: This is absolutely who I am to the core

[00:18:54] [SPEAKER_00]: until you meet Jesus.

[00:18:58] [SPEAKER_00]: And but I will say one other thing about,

[00:19:00] [SPEAKER_00]: especially if you have kids who are coming out

[00:19:03] [SPEAKER_00]: as LGBTQ.

[00:19:06] [SPEAKER_00]: There's a social contagion aspect of it now in our culture.

[00:19:09] [SPEAKER_00]: So 40% of the student body at Brown University,

[00:19:13] [SPEAKER_00]: they identify as LGBTQ which is absolutely absurd.

[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_00]: So I think kids need to be challenged on that.

[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_00]: And I was at a conference speaking in,

[00:19:25] [SPEAKER_00]: after I spoke this teenage girl came up to me

[00:19:27] [SPEAKER_00]: and she kind of defiantly said,

[00:19:30] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm pansexual and non-binary.

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_00]: And I said, no you're not.

[00:19:37] [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, why do you think that?

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, are you doing this for popularity

[00:19:42] [SPEAKER_00]: for affirmation from your friends,

[00:19:45] [SPEAKER_00]: for street cred?

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Like why do you, why do you think you're that way

[00:19:49] [SPEAKER_00]: because when I was your age,

[00:19:50] [SPEAKER_00]: there was no such thing as this.

[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_00]: And she had no answer for me and her eyes

[00:19:55] [SPEAKER_00]: well dealt with tears.

[00:19:57] [SPEAKER_00]: And then later that day I found out

[00:19:59] [SPEAKER_00]: she ended up completely breaking down

[00:20:03] [SPEAKER_00]: and coming to faith in Christ.

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Because people were pranked with it.

[00:20:07] [SPEAKER_00]: So sometimes you need to challenge your kids

[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_00]: and say, you don't live in a vacuum.

[00:20:13] [SPEAKER_00]: If we lived 50 years ago, 100 years ago,

[00:20:16] [SPEAKER_00]: this wouldn't even be a conversation.

[00:20:19] [SPEAKER_00]: But what has happened over the last 50 years?

[00:20:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Gee, I wonder.

[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if media has influenced the culture, by the way.

[00:20:28] [SPEAKER_00]: There was a book called After the Ball that came out in 1989.

[00:20:33] [SPEAKER_00]: The subtitle is how America will conquer its fear

[00:20:36] [SPEAKER_00]: and hatred of gaze in the 90s.

[00:20:38] [SPEAKER_00]: It was written by two Harvard grads.

[00:20:41] [SPEAKER_00]: And in this book, I'll just read a couple of quotes of again.

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_00]: They say the purpose and effect of pro gay propaganda

[00:20:47] [SPEAKER_00]: is to promote a climate of increased tolerance

[00:20:50] [SPEAKER_00]: for Hubble sexuals.

[00:20:51] [SPEAKER_00]: And that we say is good.

[00:20:53] [SPEAKER_00]: And then they say, the main thing is to talk about gainers

[00:20:57] [SPEAKER_00]: until the issue becomes thoroughly tiresome.

[00:21:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Retired yet?

[00:21:05] [SPEAKER_00]: And any campaign to win over the public,

[00:21:07] [SPEAKER_00]: gaze must be portrayed as victims and need of protection.

[00:21:11] [SPEAKER_00]: So that strates will be inclined by reflex

[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_00]: to adopt a role of protector.

[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_00]: It's not a coincidence.

[00:21:19] [SPEAKER_00]: So being after in the 90s, there were so many television shows

[00:21:24] [SPEAKER_00]: like Will and Grace, like Ellen,

[00:21:26] [SPEAKER_00]: like Queryri for the straight guy came out in 2003.

[00:21:29] [SPEAKER_00]: But there were so many TV shows that celebrated homosexuality.

[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like when you're watching Will and Grace,

[00:21:36] [SPEAKER_00]: you're like, oh, these people are so hilarious.

[00:21:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Like what can be wrong with that?

[00:21:40] [SPEAKER_00]: And so media, motion pictures, storytelling

[00:21:44] [SPEAKER_00]: is the most persuasive kind of persuasion.

[00:21:47] [SPEAKER_00]: So when you're watching broke back mountain

[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_00]: or Will and Grace or all these TV shows,

[00:21:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's hard for even Christians to not

[00:21:55] [SPEAKER_00]: give into that.

[00:21:57] [SPEAKER_00]: And believe, Will, D, I mean, maybe I'm wrong.

[00:21:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe the Bible is wrong about this.

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_00]: But we have to remember we live in a certain time

[00:22:06] [SPEAKER_00]: and history and we're being completely brainwashed by media.

[00:22:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Homosexuality went from a sin to a sacrament

[00:22:16] [SPEAKER_00]: over the last 60 years and from a behavior to an identity.

[00:22:20] [SPEAKER_00]: And homosexual behavior in the Bible is always a verb.

[00:22:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Homosexuality in the Bible is always a verb.

[00:22:26] [SPEAKER_00]: It's not an adjective.

[00:22:29] [SPEAKER_00]: And so, anyway, that's a long answer to your question.

[00:22:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Sure question.

[00:22:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Answered like five of the questions on here.

[00:22:36] [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not asking as many.

[00:22:39] [SPEAKER_01]: How do you engage with friends who say God created me this way?

[00:22:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Or with friends and family who believe in grace,

[00:22:46] [SPEAKER_01]: homosexuality as part of God's creation.

[00:22:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Particularly, how do you address this belief

[00:22:51] [SPEAKER_01]: with younger generations who see it as an identity rather than a sin?

[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay.

[00:22:57] [SPEAKER_00]: So there are three dominant theories on why a human being develops

[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_00]: same sex attraction.

[00:23:03] [SPEAKER_00]: It could be a genetic predisposition.

[00:23:05] [SPEAKER_00]: It could be in Udro, hormonal, in Udro, or could be environmental.

[00:23:11] [SPEAKER_00]: So a distant father, over-rowing mother.

[00:23:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Nobody knows the answer to that question.

[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know the answer to that question.

[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I still don't know why or how I develop same sex attraction.

[00:23:24] [SPEAKER_00]: I have no idea.

[00:23:26] [SPEAKER_00]: My brothers and sisters did not,

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_00]: and they had the same parents.

[00:23:31] [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know what happened.

[00:23:36] [SPEAKER_00]: So it's a move point because it's a result of the fall.

[00:23:39] [SPEAKER_00]: So we're all broken.

[00:23:41] [SPEAKER_00]: We're all born with sinful innate impulses,

[00:23:43] [SPEAKER_00]: but that doesn't mean we act on those impulses.

[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Every human being is born with.

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_00]: And so when someone says God created an gay and so how could it be wrong,

[00:23:53] [SPEAKER_00]: it's like, no, God didn't create a gay.

[00:23:57] [SPEAKER_00]: That's the result of the fall.

[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_00]: And even if the New York Times had a headline tomorrow

[00:24:01] [SPEAKER_00]: that said scientists discovered gay gene, I would say so.

[00:24:05] [SPEAKER_00]: What?

[00:24:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Even our genetic coding is broken because of the fall.

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean it's obvious when you, there's somebody obvious examples of that.

[00:24:13] [SPEAKER_00]: My thing about this is like, we can have enlist debates about this issue.

[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_00]: And but is that really what you want to do?

[00:24:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you want to submit to the word of God and a B.O.B.D.

[00:24:29] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's one of the things that was so surprising to me

[00:24:34] [SPEAKER_00]: is when I got saved, I loved having these boundaries

[00:24:41] [SPEAKER_00]: that God set up for sexuality.

[00:24:44] [SPEAKER_00]: I loved having those because going outside,

[00:24:46] [SPEAKER_00]: anything outside of a marriage between the man,

[00:24:49] [SPEAKER_00]: one man, one woman, for life, any kind of sexual activity outside of that always leads to pain

[00:24:56] [SPEAKER_00]: or brokenness or whatever.

[00:25:00] [SPEAKER_00]: And I was so happy to finally have those boundaries

[00:25:03] [SPEAKER_00]: because before I was a Christian, I just lived in this postmodern world where there,

[00:25:07] [SPEAKER_00]: no, there was no right or wrong, no upper down.

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_00]: You didn't really know anything about, well I don't know.

[00:25:14] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm at this party, maybe I'll just, I don't know, I want to like whatever happens happens.

[00:25:19] [SPEAKER_00]: But I love knowing you have such a security, it's like a father,

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_00]: you know, when you're a child, you want boundaries from your parents because you feel safe,

[00:25:27] [SPEAKER_00]: you feel secure.

[00:25:29] [SPEAKER_00]: And so I love those boundaries.

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_00]: So God didn't create anyone getting by the way.

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_00]: That's a myth.

[00:25:38] [SPEAKER_01]: What advice do you have for believers who are required to participate in mandatory training

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_01]: at their workplace or school that promotes acceptance of homosexuality,

[00:25:50] [SPEAKER_01]: including the use of preferred pronouns and other related practices?

[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know God.

[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_00]: That's a tough one.

[00:25:59] [SPEAKER_00]: I can't imagine being in that situation when you got to call from HR.

[00:26:06] [SPEAKER_00]: I've always been like my own boss, basically my whole life.

[00:26:09] [SPEAKER_00]: So I could write a book about it and then lose your job.

[00:26:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.

[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Now, again you have to use wisdom and I'll just give one example.

[00:26:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Shadrak me, Shadrak him to about to go or in exile in Babylon and they were commanded to bow

[00:26:28] [SPEAKER_00]: down to the culture to that golden statue.

[00:26:30] [SPEAKER_00]: They were commanded to bow down to it and they refused knowing they were going into a fiery furnace.

[00:26:38] [SPEAKER_00]: So if they can do that, I don't know, maybe we should.

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think, yeah, I've always got to lose their jobs.

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_00]: But then also trusting God in those situations is so important.

[00:26:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Trust God, lean not on your own understanding.

[00:26:59] [SPEAKER_00]: And this is an unrelated example, but it's so God called me to seminary in 2014.

[00:27:08] [SPEAKER_00]: And it was so bizarre.

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_00]: It was like this power.

[00:27:12] [SPEAKER_00]: I felt like I was on a train to seminary and I couldn't get off.

[00:27:16] [SPEAKER_00]: That's how seminary feels.

[00:27:17] [SPEAKER_00]: It does.

[00:27:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:27:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, when do we get off this train?

[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_00]: This is free seminary, but I'm...

[00:27:24] [SPEAKER_00]: So I went into one of my apostles and I told them the situation.

[00:27:28] [SPEAKER_00]: I said, I feel like God's calling me the seminary, but what am I going to do?

[00:27:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Because I'm going to have to turn down 90% of my production design jobs.

[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_00]: How am I going to pay for my life?

[00:27:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't know what to do.

[00:27:42] [SPEAKER_00]: And he prayed for me and he said, Beckett,

[00:27:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I think God's going to pay for your seminary and that's going to be confirmation you're supposed to go.

[00:27:52] [SPEAKER_00]: And like, what does it make any sense?

[00:27:54] [SPEAKER_00]: How is that going to happen?

[00:27:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Cut to God paid for everything.

[00:27:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Like, so when you trust God, he takes care of you.

[00:28:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Like, he just does.

[00:28:05] [SPEAKER_00]: When you're obedient to him, he takes care of you.

[00:28:07] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it may not look exactly like you wanted to be, but...

[00:28:12] [SPEAKER_01]: We talked before about a lot of people submitted scenarios in which they are facing with family members.

[00:28:22] [SPEAKER_01]: A beloved uncle was homosexual and now their brother and sister are homosexual.

[00:28:28] [SPEAKER_01]: And how do I explain to my kids these sorts of things?

[00:28:31] [SPEAKER_01]: And how do I navigate a relationship with those family members?

[00:28:35] [SPEAKER_01]: And I know you kind of said, my answer is not all that profound.

[00:28:39] [SPEAKER_01]: But there's a lot of people in this room who are in different family and relational situations

[00:28:45] [SPEAKER_01]: with people in the same sex attraction, LGBTQ community.

[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_01]: And you touched on it before it in terms of that it's not...

[00:28:55] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a long journey.

[00:28:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Fill in some of those gaps for us in terms of the people here who might be facing those various

[00:29:04] [SPEAKER_01]: relationship struggles and issues.

[00:29:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, what else can I say about it?

[00:29:10] [SPEAKER_00]: It's... again, it's really...

[00:29:15] [SPEAKER_00]: In Christopher Uon's mother did this as well.

[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_00]: It's just like going to your prayer closet and just praying, praying, praying.

[00:29:24] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's why I told you it's not very satisfying.

[00:29:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Answer to a lot of people because they just want to fix it right away.

[00:29:32] [SPEAKER_00]: But God is sovereign over all of this and he knows what's going on.

[00:29:37] [SPEAKER_00]: He knows the timing.

[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, God's timing for me to get saved was exactly his timing.

[00:29:43] [SPEAKER_00]: There was no other time that it was going to happen.

[00:29:47] [SPEAKER_00]: So I think it just going to your praying and praying,

[00:29:52] [SPEAKER_00]: you know, going to the throne room of grace and praying for your family members.

[00:29:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Generously loving them as much as you can with unless they cut you off,

[00:30:03] [SPEAKER_00]: which is happening more and more.

[00:30:05] [SPEAKER_00]: But being super loving and generous with your time and resisting the urge

[00:30:11] [SPEAKER_00]: to quote Bible verses to them and to text them Bible verse.

[00:30:15] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, sometimes that could help but in my experience it doesn't really help

[00:30:20] [SPEAKER_00]: but resist that urge to constantly sort of cudgele them into becoming a Christian.

[00:30:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Because it really... it has to be God.

[00:30:31] [SPEAKER_00]: It has to be the Holy Spirit has to open their eyes and convict them of the sense.

[00:30:37] [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, that's kind of...

[00:30:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Let me add another layer to that which is kind of part of this which is

[00:30:42] [SPEAKER_01]: how do you engage children who maybe have a friend who has two moms or,

[00:30:50] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, I know it's everywhere in culture.

[00:30:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's even in little kids' cartoons.

[00:30:56] [SPEAKER_01]: How do you navigate that with age categories?

[00:31:00] [SPEAKER_01]: How would you... how could you...

[00:31:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't recommend.

[00:31:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I have no idea.

[00:31:06] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't have the answer to every question.

[00:31:10] [SPEAKER_00]: So this comes out.

[00:31:13] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, just...

[00:31:15] [SPEAKER_00]: I've never been in that situation.

[00:31:17] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't really know how you would navigate that.

[00:31:21] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, obviously you just instruct your child in the ways of the Lord

[00:31:25] [SPEAKER_00]: and just say, hey, we want to love people

[00:31:30] [SPEAKER_00]: and we want to show them Christ.

[00:31:33] [SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, don't bully that child or...

[00:31:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Like mock that child.

[00:31:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Like love that guy, the guy I heard of her all who's parents

[00:31:41] [SPEAKER_00]: are the same sex.

[00:31:45] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[00:31:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I guess.

[00:31:47] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not a straightforward answer.

[00:31:51] [SPEAKER_01]: The title of your book.

[00:31:53] [SPEAKER_01]: How did you come to that?

[00:31:55] [SPEAKER_01]: And then this will be our last one.

[00:31:57] [SPEAKER_01]: So sort of lead us out with the gospel.

[00:32:02] [SPEAKER_00]: A change of affection is the title.

[00:32:06] [SPEAKER_00]: So, it's interesting because my initial title was all of a sudden

[00:32:10] [SPEAKER_00]: which is the publisher just didn't like it.

[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_00]: It was like two, so tear it.

[00:32:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Because that's how I felt.

[00:32:15] [SPEAKER_00]: I just felt like my life changed all of a sudden.

[00:32:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Which is not everyone's...

[00:32:19] [SPEAKER_01]: It's very coming out of that.

[00:32:22] [SPEAKER_01]: So, people shouldn't be upset if they're not having a back-up.

[00:32:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I know.

[00:32:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's funny because I thought everyone had that same experience

[00:32:30] [SPEAKER_00]: but I was...

[00:32:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Disappused of that very early on when I was a Christian.

[00:32:34] [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh, I thought everyone had a right to the mask

[00:32:37] [SPEAKER_00]: because kind of movement.

[00:32:39] [SPEAKER_00]: But it doesn't matter whether it's still a miracle

[00:32:42] [SPEAKER_00]: when God saves you.

[00:32:44] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a supernatural act of God.

[00:32:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and then.

[00:32:48] [SPEAKER_00]: But by publishers, we're not using that.

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_00]: And like in a day, I had to come up with another title.

[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, oh my god.

[00:32:55] [SPEAKER_00]: So, I said them a bunch of titles and one was a change of affection

[00:32:59] [SPEAKER_00]: and they chose that one.

[00:33:00] [SPEAKER_00]: It's because, I mean, I think, and I really am glad that title stuck

[00:33:05] [SPEAKER_00]: because it really is.

[00:33:07] [SPEAKER_00]: It says it all.

[00:33:08] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like everything changed.

[00:33:10] [SPEAKER_00]: My affections change.

[00:33:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I no longer wanted to esteem myself in my life.

[00:33:15] [SPEAKER_00]: I no longer cared about my life.

[00:33:18] [SPEAKER_00]: I cared about the gospel.

[00:33:22] [SPEAKER_00]: I no longer cared about making a name for myself.

[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to make a name for G.

[00:33:27] [SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to just proclaim Christ, you know?

[00:33:31] [SPEAKER_00]: And my affections to everything.

[00:33:34] [SPEAKER_00]: So, for example, I was pro-choice before I was a Christian.

[00:33:38] [SPEAKER_00]: I was ardently pro-choice.

[00:33:40] [SPEAKER_00]: And I remember my mother calling me and saying,

[00:33:43] [SPEAKER_00]: we were just chatting and she said, oh, your sister Rachel

[00:33:46] [SPEAKER_00]: is that a pro-life rally in Dallas.

[00:33:48] [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, mom, like, that's so ridiculous.

[00:33:52] [SPEAKER_00]: And I was, you know, I gave her a hard time about it.

[00:33:56] [SPEAKER_00]: The day I got saved, this again, this is everything just happened

[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_00]: all of a sudden.

[00:34:00] [SPEAKER_00]: The day I got saved, I understood the Amago day, the image of God

[00:34:04] [SPEAKER_00]: that every human being has created the image of God.

[00:34:06] [SPEAKER_00]: And I became, it's like very much pro-life.

[00:34:11] [SPEAKER_00]: So, every, all my affections changed.

[00:34:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Every single one.

[00:34:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah.

[00:34:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Because everything in this world, like, you know,

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_00]: everything in this world pales in comparison to having a relationship with Christ.

[00:34:28] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, people say this because I'm single and I'm celibate or chased

[00:34:33] [SPEAKER_00]: as Rosario would have me say.

[00:34:38] [SPEAKER_00]: But people ask me, you know, isn't it unfair that you have to be single?

[00:34:41] [SPEAKER_00]: And you can't have a partner for the rest of your life.

[00:34:44] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, what are you talking about?

[00:34:46] [SPEAKER_00]: I've ever relationship with the King of the Universe.

[00:34:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Jesus, like, how could that be unfair?

[00:34:50] [SPEAKER_00]: I have eternal life.

[00:34:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Jesus was crucified and beaten and tortured for me.

[00:34:56] [SPEAKER_00]: That's unfair.

[00:34:57] [SPEAKER_00]: My life is amazing because I have a relationship with the living God.

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.

[00:35:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.

[00:35:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Praise God.

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